Why Mechanical Broadheads MIGHT be inconsistent penetrators

[@joey9426]

For the last 2 years I’ve shot a 525 grain arrow with fixed blade head and have had nothing but good results. Thanks for all you do.

[@Steve-ev6vx]

I found your channel about a month ago when I was arguing with another creator over his broadhead tests being meaningless, and just ended up searching for someone doing tests on whole animals. You have changed the whole way I approach setting up my bows and crossbows. Thanks for everything you are doing for the community, God Bless.

[@tolt1776]

Let me guess lusk archery? Lol

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@tolt1776 honestly, I don't even remember. It was the only video of his I watched. It was the same problem I had with all the other testers too, shooting old dried out bones and watermelons proves nothing.

[@bakters]

Archery targets and ballistic gel lie, because they work in the dynamic friction regime, where friction is *independent* on velocity (elementary school physics). Animals are mostly water, so they work in the hydrodynamic drag regime, where the drag increases with the *square* of velocity (high school physics). TLDR: Slower arrows with the same energy penetrate better.

[@tolt1776]

@@bakters they don't teach physics in public elementary school...😅🤣😂

[@tolt1776]

@Steve-ev6vx Jeff Phillips instinctive addiction on you tube. He shoots solid ply wood with a 40# recurve and different weight arrows. It's pretty badass and one of the best tests for showing how much better and lethal foc is.

[@mattp9574]

Add to list of things to get to keep me busy: girlfriend, wife, fishing rods, and mechanicals for tracking practice. LOL that was a great opening to the video

[@bobbyflamez8857]

A few years ago I reached out to Troy via email. He responded within minutes and helped me with noting in return. I love what your doing troy, you're a gift to the community.

[@piedpython1]

Troy I shot a buck a few years back with a large cut mechanical. The blades did NOT deploy at the same time. Actually the animal was quartered away from me. The buck was 10 yards. Not a complete pass thru with a crossbow!! The deer didn’t go 20 yards but it looked like you had hit him with a machete! The entry wound was about 5 inches wide. Good thing the arrow went into the chest and hit the heart. Haven’t shot a mechanical since!! Keep up the good work!!

[@RanchFairy]

@@piedpython1 I’ve had the same thing happen. It’s wild

[@questioneverything6489]

Just saw your podcast with dudley what a joke that was. thanks for keeping real here and making it feel like we’re talking over some beers.

[@JamesEiholzer]

Troy. I don't mind where you test your arrows. People need to look at the fact that your testing arrows on animals to see what they're doing. I fully get that. I have learned so much from your videos. Keep doing them. I have completely switched my arrows from mechanical to single bevel. I shoot Adult arrows. I've looked back at deer that I've lost and found later on. using mechanical broadheads. I have had a lot of mechanical broadhead failure. Yes, I've had successes with mechanicals. Yet that said, a lot of failures as well. from the feral being bent. to non deployment to broken blades. Made the switch to Magnus Black Hornets sure razor 125 grain and for single bevel Crimson Talon cleaver 125 grain. Using heavy arrow. I have not lost one animal since the change over. Plus can reshapren all the time. Keep up the good work. Love the video.

[@Huntfishtrap2121]

Try shooting adult arrow tipped with a mechanical. You’ll be surprised at the results

[@JamesEiholzer]

@@Huntfishtrap2121 thanks for your input. I have tried them on adult arrows. Still same result. Yes can kill some with my mechanicals yet still have had mechanical fares and that is with high-end mechanicals but I do thank you!

[@Huntfishtrap2121]

@@JamesEiholzer different setups yield different results I suppose…I’ve had great luck with them. Good luck this season👍🏻 shoot str8

[@tpage2369]

Could it just be your arrow deflected?

[@acceleratedpulse104]

Troy I have some pictures that directly correlate with this theory. My dad shot a doe a couple years back with a rage hypodermic she heard the shot rolled to get out of there arrow hit just above center one blade deployed sliced up towards her spine caught just enough of the spine to nock her down and the arrow tumbled into the air and landed behind her in the food plot and he made a follow up shot. But the deploying blade sliced through the skin between the ribs on it way up leaving about a 10 inch cut from start to finish. You can see the organs through the cut between the ribs the backbone and it cut through the backstrap on its way up it was wild! Oh and he was in a 25’ treestand shooting 70# with about a 410-420 grain arrow out of a hoyt alpha max.

[@randyjerrett3385]

Shot fixed for years no problems went to mechanical, no penetration, uneven deployment went back to fix shooting Magnus stingers work perfect, short recovery, end of story!

[@timfoster7979]

You are the doctor of broadhead terminal physical death. Learning so much. Thanks!

[@fakeaccount9695]

I’m shooting a 660 gr 29.5” 400 spine 300 gr up front 21% FOC out of a 44.25 lb at my draw length recurve I built adult arrows thank you Ranch Fairy

[@bakters]

" *400 spine* " If it flies, it flies, but it's a bit sus.

[@fakeaccount9695]

@@bakters it flies like a dart not sure why you think it’s suspicious

[@bakters]

@@fakeaccount9695 The spine seems weak, but if it flies, it just flies. That's what really matters.

[@fakeaccount9695]

@@bakters not center shot

[@bakters]

@@fakeaccount9695 Makes sense.

[@blainclatworthy5423]

As a Cantankerous Guy, who is older than you, I love your Videos!

[@colinconner4018]

I like that you teach more on anatomy and best places to shoot. I have NEVER had an issue with any mech broadhead. I've shot Rage, Grimm Reaper, Rek, rocket wolverine, and others. I've been bow hunting for over 25 years and never not shot through a white tail deer, always have had complete pass throughs. I think you need to take MFJJ or Dudley up on their offers to help you out with the bow too. Your not out anything buy doing so. I shoot 425 grain total weight arrows and no issues.

[@davidstonkus3288]

I like your videos, including this one. The implimentation of adult projectiles does substantially increase the lethality, it does not gaurantee a pass through. I shot a young fork horn with a 70 lb bow 30 in. arrow 100 grain thunderhead at under 20 yrd. The arrow entered left rib cage bounced of the right shoulder (drum like thud) and exited the same hole Leaving no blood trail. Thankfully My wife brought out the dog to succsessfully track it down. (My wife found the deer by smell.) Point being game animals do move when hit. This marginalizes all projectiles. Some more than others.

[@RiversnRootsOutdoors8]

I believe you're right sir! I drew a cow moose tag here in AK which are pretty hard to get! Got my adult arrow set up. 650ish grains, 60 lb draw with a 25.5 in arrow 200 gr RF single bevel. Looking forward to it! Ill video it for sure !

[@RanchFairy]

@@RiversnRootsOutdoors8 Send me critter pics this fall

[@RiversnRootsOutdoors8]

@@RanchFairy Absolutely sir!

[@timfoster7979]

Show the cut line through your elk if you can. Be a Ranch Fairy!

[@RiversnRootsOutdoors8]

@@timfoster7979 I'll do it👍 it'll be on my KZbin channel too

[@voxpopuli905]

@@timfoster7979I been on the fairy dust for a little while now, and have no intentions of joining arrows anonymous anytime soon. There was a time I was on the twizzler and maybe a schlinger or two. Them 4 day track jobs ain’t my thing. Everything I shoot now days is made of s7 tool steel or it says Magnus on it.

[@IvysHill]

Just finished hand sharpening/stropping my RF 2.0 200grn and can't wait to see the effect they have. I wonder what the arrow reactions would look like with a high speed camera?

[@christoon7848]

Oh the irony of this video ans the intro ad was for the newest g5 mechanical broadhead lol

[@raymondtapatu7506]

I really love the tango pigs part that was cool but all things aside I appreciate your channel and others I have learnt a lot thanks keep up your amazing work 👍

[@jango_bmx11]

17:00 next episode on RF: increase your lethality by strapping a small C4 charge to your shaft instead of a broadhead

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

All valid points. I remember discussing this with you. I think you are right. The hog is moving. The second that broadhead makes contact, there is a power struggle between the path the arrow was on, and the path of the target. Damn... Newton was right AGAIN... "an object in motion will stay in motion until acted join by an opposing force" Obviuosly i am paraphrasing. But the facts are all there. I just had a similar discussing with someone who commented on one of my videos. I googled the exact verbiage of newton's law, but memory fails me in this moment. However... The arrow (object) encountered another opposing force (hog running from perceived threat) Textbook. Great work as always, Troy.

[@RanchFairy]

@@PersonalBestOutdoors Lots of the animals are moving at impact!

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

@@RanchFairy exactly. It's been my experience that 95% of them are already moving by the time the arrow gets there.

[@daltonbbf756]

Hate him or love him you gotta respect the fact fairy deep dives into everything trying to understand reasoning and reactions. It seems like general logic but you don’t think about it till he mentions it. He’s definitely a positive for the bow hunting community and hopefully he keeps his content going for every always learn a thing or two each video.

[@rdude1184]

Dont stop Sir! You will revered one day as the TRUTH!

[@deanbrantley]

At 1:32 a G5 Mega Meat add comes on. Awsome trolling G5 😂

[@joelbruce7466]

That can’t be coincidence…😂

[@NODAK-x9x]

Best part of the whole video😂

[@temerenpfaffenberger3761]

That add always cracks me up.

[@bryanroberts]

I love those turn on the light bulb moments in life! I shoot 32" draw at 70#s and used to think that i had so much power that arrowheads weren't the most important. (I know better now). You now have me thinking about shaft length though because my arrows are mini throwing spears! Lol... Moving targets vs shaft length

[@misterb6839]

What if the rear deploy bites a rib and jams the shaft into the other, almost like a hard stop and dramatically slows the arrow down? 🤷‍♂️ idk, just typing out loud.

[@AliceWilson-w9m]

"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."- Leonardo Da Vinci

[@ravenflight88]

the power of advertising made all sorts of worthless garbage "popular " , mechanical broadheads are one of those and you can't un brainwash 99 percent of the consumer addicted public. I give you immense credit for trying, keep hammering away Troy

[@danielmurray9249]

So your saying you will be testing more flappers and twizzlers to compare them to fixed blades?

[@andrewmccann7572]

How long until you test the Beast Broadheads? I want to get some popcorn and make sure I am someplace comfortable.

[@kountzer0]

@RanchFairy. Great video, thinking out loud in public again. Bless you for that, in all honesty. I believe we should all be thinking about this as hunters. Most folk wouldn't recommend a 125 grain bullet fired from a 30-06 for elk hunting despite the massive KE and flat trajectory to minimize range estimate error. Most would advise 165 or 180 grains. Some folks might say a lighter bullet of all copper would work fine, and they would be completely justified in saying so due to structural integrity and weight retention. It's odd to me that folks will consider penetration at any angle for rifles, but not so much for arrows. Just look at the kinetic energy disparity between the two systems. There are all sorts of opinions on rifle bullets too, so I guess it will never be settled, which is kind of a good thing I think. Your content is worth more than the comments will ever show. Even the haters are at least thinking. Ok, the lighted nock wiggles. We can all see that in the video. Pig moving with all that muscle movement absolutely could contribute to that as the front of the shaft is penetrating at the same time. I'm also going to mention the shaft response to impact deceleration. It will flex with dynamic spine effects on impact just as on launch, resulting in deflection of the lighted nock even on a perpendicular stationary target, as you know well. I'm just putting some pieces together. So, given an arrow in flight through a moving pig and the nock side kicking in the direction opposite of the pig's movement, could the momentum of the arrow coupled with the shaft in contact with the moving entry wound deflect the arrow's path? I thinks so. Just shoot through some sticks and see a similar effect. Then you mentioned something about this particular shot. Would it steer the broadhead forward? Oh, I think that would be great, and it may to some extent. But ya know, high FOC would tend to resist deflection in flight, no matter the medium...air or hog. Great work as always. Fall is coming, go stick some fish man!

[@michaelfrye6284]

SEVR 2.0 Robusto might be worth playing with, love your stuff Fairy.

[@RanchFairy]

@@michaelfrye6284 Ok

[@fisherman_rue2403]

The shaft length thought is worth testing. Test with the arrow cannon thingy

[@haroldbleemel8537]

@RanchFairy Do you think they're jumping the string or the sound coming from the broadhead/fletching as it approaches? Would be interesting to use different fletching to see if quieter fletching affects the "string jump".

[@tolt1776]

Dr Ashby has a video using two different wood dowels going through a hole that explains and shows alot of what you are saying.

[@kountzer0]

I saw a video of the good Dr speaking at a Pope and Young conference from 2013 with a ton of information. If you search you will find it. I'm hesitant to link it here on Troy's channel.

[@The_Judge300]

In my experience can mechanical broadheads be a total disaster when it comes angled shots. They can deflect a LOT. And quartering to shots can be VERY bad. Once a friend shot a doe at a quartering to shot and the doe moved a bit towards him as she started to duck when the arrow hit her and one blade clearly started to open low on the shoulder and instead of going straight into the doe in the direction it was going, the broadhead and arrow deflected hard to the right along the doe, making a cut that did not even enter the doe properly, but cut along the side of the doe from the shoulder to the back leg where the arrow lodged itself into that. She ran away with much of her guts hanging out of her. We waited for 6 hours before we started to track that doe, but there was quickly no blood to find at all and we had to grid search. After about one hour we found her still alive, but my friend managed to shoot her in her bed to end her off. I had already stopped using any mechanicals many years before this happened, but he didn't want to listen to my advice to only use fixed. But he was so disgusted to what happened with that doe, that he finally listened to me and he has not used mechanicals himself since that day. And he has later admitted to me that he was very unsure about mechanicals for some years before this happened because of how inconsistent the results were, but he was to stubborn to admit it and do what I advised him to do. While he had some amazing blood trail at times, did he also experience some very difficult and long ones even if the shots were good and even very good. And my blood trails with fixed broadheads were on average much shorter than his even if we often had very similar shot placements. Totally opposite of what people that are big fans of mechanicals or people being sponsored/paid want to tell us. He is extremely happy that he finally changed to fixed broadheads and stopped to listen to all the noise from the paid/sponsored "experts". Personally I find it totally disgusting how some celebrity pro hunters have convinced many hunters to use large cutting mechanicals with light to very light arrows. One well known celebrity hunter claims it is totally impossible to shoot through the humerus of a deer, no matter how heavy your arrow is and what broadhead you use, so it is totally pointless to use a single bevel broadhead on any animal in America is what he is telling other hunters from his celebrity platform...

[@ryanstarzenski3072]

So this is gonna sound crazy….. That makes a lot of sense.

[@dianerose7129]

I have been enjoying watching your videos and would like to know what you recommend for a hunting setup for me. I'm currently pulling approximately 45lbs and my arrows are cut to 26 inches in length. When I bought my bow the bow shop set me up with a Gold Tip Kinetic 500. Please let me know what your recommendation is because I'm not finding any videos out there that specifically speaks to arrow setups for women bowhunters.

[@davidgunnels2391]

Emailing Him would probably make it easier, so your question doesn’t get lost in comments

[@dianerose7129]

@@davidgunnels2391 what is his email?

[@jdrg283]

Speaking of 3” long 300 grain tuff heads… where can I buy those?

[@sgtcaco]

I’m one of the haters except I love everything you do. In fact I Ove you.

[@miltonreeths522]

One thing you forgot to take into consideration is those shoulder muscles are contracting which can have a big effect on an arrow. Hide is going one direction, muscles are going another direction. I don't think the deadmeat head has that problem cause all the blades open at the same time. My kid and I have use nap spitfires ever since they came out and killed a lot of deer and never had any problems with penetration. It would be interesting to shoot some real heavy carpet hanging loose so you can see what effect it has on the arrow when it moves after being hit.

[@TheNewBowunter]

This is all entertaining and informative…especially on pigs…they are the buffalo of Africa in America LOL. Super tough critters…but for whitetail nothing is going to convince me not to use the G5 MegaMeats.

[@RanchFairy]

@@TheNewBowunter I’ll be here if you need me! If you don’t keep rolling them up

[@TheNewBowunter]

@@RanchFairy Thanks…I enjoy your videos.

[@Ealum1013]

How do you remove surface rust from your broadheads and keep them from rusting? I have some annihilators that have a little surface rust on them

[@RanchFairy]

@@Ealum1013 Ask annihilator!

[@KeithFleming-qs2kh]

Troy going to try the Simmons land sharks on my Excalibur cross bow this season 190 grn total arrow over 500 grns hunting White tales at closed range it should be very effective

[@sniper12589]

Love the content. One thing to thing about as well is the wound channel size. The question a would have is does the redirection of the arrow stop when the arrow shaft hits the edge of the entrance hole. So with a 2 inch mechanical with a poor MA resulting in it slowing down faster. Would it redirect more simple due to the time it takes to penetrate plus having and inch on either side of the arrow shaft to pivot around before the shaft stops. Where’s a broadhead with a 1 1/8 inch cut and good MA isn’t slowing down as fast while penetrating plus has just over a half in on either side of the arrow shaft b4 the shaft can’t pivot anymore. The reason I can up with this conclusion is working construction if I take a 1 inch spade bit and start drilling a hole I can curve that hole a good amount up until the shank hits the edge of the hole but yet a 1/2 inch spade bit drill faster due to less surface area but is harder to curve the hole because the shank hits the edge of the hole sooner.

[@flyfin108]

hey Fairy, i found this intresting video of "Austempering for Bainite - Super Toughness!" from Knife Steel Nerds which might be superior way to make broadheads that stays sharp and dosnt chip or grumble on hit

[@jimmytillman206]

If you haven’t yet, you should build an adult arrow and toss a mechanical on there and do some testing. I shot a doe last year with a sevr 125, 1.5 in cut on a 610 grain arrow that zipped right through and stuck in the ground 5 inches. Was like a 12 yard shot, she ran close to 100 yards or so zigzagging and piled up. I carry one mechanical for rainy days and I was really impressed with the sevr passing through. I mean, I expected it to cause I know the arrow I built but still.

[@terryjohnson3100]

Thanks man. Awesome content.

[@progun2012]

I really need you to make a video about Chris Bee’s and Seek Ones recent water buffalo/elk mishaps…. They want to prove you wrong so bad, they are taking shots they shouldn’t with equipment they shouldn’t! Cmon!

[@RanchFairy]

@@progun2012 not necessary. Chris proved it. It’s not a war with the other side. Let the results speak.

[@glennbayley5863]

Thank you for a brilliant video

[@chickimac1]

What poundage trad bow you shoot? Thks

[@johnt9490]

I heard lighted nocks were not safe with heavy arrows, but I noticed you use them. Do you have any advice on this?

[@RanchFairy]

@@johnt9490 The message board idiots are numerous and don’t test anything - caveat emptor when you read the message boards NOTE - I only use them in short range situations and for video testing shots. If I’m spot and stalk or going to shoot over 30 (say hunting out west) I AM NOT putting a different nock on the back of the arrow. Im shooting stock nocks and all white fletch

[@bendotwood]

Is it possible that arrow shimy was from the arrow flexing due to hitting the target? I know a low foc arrow flexes more on impact than a high foc arrow, partially from the point pulling it along and partially because high foc arrows usually have a stiffer spine. It would be interesting to shoot some slow motion footage of the same arrow hitting a dead pig that isn't moving, see if you get the same shimy

[@cjr4497]

On one of the hunts you did with the HP a deer way behind the feeder jumped the string.

[@RanchFairy]

@@cjr4497 I’ve had multiple HERDS of pigs all jump Not just the target animal

[@timkaldahl]

The only mechanical that I ever used is the rocket steelhead. I switched to NAP Hellrazors and got a terrible blood trail. Then I double checked and the heads straight out of the pack had to be sharpened. It didn't seem like a necessity 15 years ago. Never assume. Blood trail problem solved.

[@gregyazel170]

I have two thoughts/questions….the arrow “shimmy” when it hits….could it be with the heavier weight up front, and the short distance to target……that the arrow hasn’t fully come out of paradox????? Also, even a shaving sharp, bone cutting broadhead will have some amount of “glance” when encountering even light bone such as a rib??????? I enjoy your research!!!

[@tolt1776]

I shot my buck last year hard quartering towards me and almost head on. Straight in the shoulder and the arrow came out the opposite back ham. When the deer "tucked" to run it shortened its body and raised its back. Causing my arrow to now come out in the body but the leg, and pretty high up in comparison with the entry. Entry got heart dead money and both lungs. Animals have a vote, they move! 1000000% undeniably true.

[@rohlfing63]

I get your potential theory about the "wiggle" of the shaft on a moving target, not sure either how significant it is but certainly the higher the foc, the less significant the effect should be (I think). Wondering if you could evaluate this with a swinging or sliding foam block target vs stationary to see how much the shaft angle to the target face changes, and maybe then if it differs with foc, or a fixed vs mechanical head.

[@RanchFairy]

@@rohlfing63 we are working on that. But if you watch slow motion shots (thousands out there) you will start to see it. I’ve seen if many times on my own videos, BUT I didn’t see it until I “Saw” it one day and said…..What is that? It’s not a theory and I don’t think FOC is the solution. Mass creates momentum, momentum is a linear force with direction. High FOC creates stability. So the combination…..oh, and add a low drag, high mechanical advantage Broadhead, perfect arrow flight, etc…. It’s an algorithm to maximum POTENTIAL. BUT then…..our projectile is long. IF and When the tip of the Broadhead hits a moving target (direction doesn’t matter). The Broadhead might change its flight path. BUT the full length of the arrow also has mass. It will be traveling on the original shot line IF the point /motion creates a redirect. Mechs will increase this effect due to inconsistent blade deployment. In a perfect world the mech would hit at ground level PERFECTLY 90 degrees to the target. That is optimal, it is also very difficult to achieve. The animals are literally round”ish”, no bone, not a single bone anywhere, is flat, add the moving component and its is just massive amounts of unpredictablity. Welcome to my world of “why” and seeking arrow systems with the highest potential lethality swimming in a sea of unpredictability!! Pig on a swing set has been discussed!! I wish there were other people who wanted to put in the work. Because it is a ton of work.

[@rohlfing63]

@RanchFairy I don't think you and I are on a different page regarding FOC. Agree with your momentum comment about the direction element, but FOC defines the center of mass, and when the tip of the head contacts the target, a high foc creates a shorter lever arm than a low foc, so the momentum vector has less leverage to "tip" the shaft in response to the animal's forward motion than it would with a low foc. The added element of mechanical blade deployment would be a second factor. Almost seems like initially the nock end of the shaft would want to move opposite of the animal's travel, but then the blade deployment would push it back in the other direction (creating a wiggle effect?)

[@RanchFairy]

@@rohlfing63 spot on.

[@bjcoveney5306]

Good stuff!!

[@tjbarkley727]

I would say naturally your arrow is going to want to take the path of least resistance.. the tip of the broadhead might have been between ribs but favoring to one rib or the other and just glance off of it to push it towards the center. Just like hitting the edge of a branch. Then add the factor of the pig moving and you’re going to see the shaft wiggle. On top of that you’re changing what the arrow is flying through. Before it was flying through a consistent medium (air) and abruptly changes to flying through a solid surface of the skin and tissue of the pig. Don’t think you’re going to get around this it’s just the nature of the beast shooting arrows.. I’d imagine it’s identical shooting bullets just, in a much more smaller fashion cause bullets are 1-2 inches long vs 31-32 inches. It’s our job to make the most lethal and ethical platform we can. We can’t control a single thing after the arrow leaves the bow.

[@JohnLee-vj9lh]

Great video nice solid blade broadhead

[@kevinemard5370]

What do you use on the arrow right behind the broadhead im having a hard time finding something to use for mine

[@brianturner8936]

Great video!!!

[@jdrg283]

Speaking of 3 inch long, 300 grain tough heads, where can you buy those?

[@RanchFairy]

@@jdrg283 They are not selling so not many vendors make them

[@jdrg283]

I will likely go with your 200 grainers when I need broadheads again though I was hoping to get the 300 grain tough heads to maximize the mechanical Advantage. Oh well, more gas money for you. Thanks

[@shawnstoner7867]

I shot rage for years when I was younger cause they flew like field tips. I've only ever lost 2 deer and one was deflection cause shoulder vs rage shoulder won kicked forward out brisket the other was me catching jacket n bad shot but both survived to be shot by other people. But after noticing finally that wait I'm shooting deer at 12 and 17 yards and not getting pass throughs and the deer run till they die. I wanted pass throughs and I found this channel and had already been a fan of THP so I started listening and it all made sense. I switched from 450gr twizzlers with flappers and went to 520 gr total weight with Magnus stinger. That was 5 6 years ago now or so. The following year I went to 540 ish total weight but had a 95gr insert for 17% weight forward then to. Now im staying close in total weight I'd like to see 575 and 18-20% forward but we'll see. Magnus stinger broadhead 150gr. I finally got to test it out last year and it blew through the deer at 25 yds like it wasn't even there. Ran 30 stopped n looked around fell over. Expandable only work if ur shooting 80lb draw and even then bowmar can't get a pass through. They all stick in the animal n go thwack. Shame he can't just see his flaws and admit he could be better. I agree with the dude on bowmar. He let everything get to his head and went way away from truth and facts to be famous and get free stuff. He won't show how many he lost tho.

[@rattdrummer1]

Love your videos

[@zhickman338]

Dorge from Firenock has your explanation.

[@bradleejones8560]

I appreciate all the info.

[@jkoz931]

Here's an idea. Get a good, quality recording of a bow being shot. Put it by a feeder. Play the recording of the bow being shot on a good speaker. Eliminate the arrow flight sound to find out if the animal is jumping the bow sound or the arrow sound.

[@turtleman5111]

Man, a 300fps arrow is traveling at about 230MPH! At 20 yards, you do the math. By the time I heard an arrow whizzing toward me at 230MPH, I would then see it lodged in the ground, after it went thru my torso.

[@zachcarter9927]

@@turtleman5111set your phone up on top of your target. You’ll hear the arrow not the bow. And there is plenty of air time

[@jkoz931]

It's all speculation. Nobody knows exactly what the animals are reacting to. Playing a recording of a bow shot, at the same db level as an actual live shot, would eliminate the sound of the arrow from the equation. I'd love to do something like that, but I don't have a test lab of critters to do a study like that.

[@turtleman5111]

⁠Perhaps. But, how far away are you? I'm only saying this because I HAVE recorded my shots, just to hear how long it takes! 20 is almost instantanious. 30, theres a little lul; 40, U can notice it! But, I mean.... Ive shot deer at 40; I dont think it matters much under 25.

[@zachcarter9927]

@@turtleman5111 20yrds. Still plenty of sound and plenty of time.

[@FRDMANN27]

Would love to see you test the bowmar mechanical even if its on a dead pig!

[@RanchFairy]

@@FRDMANN27 That isn’t gonna happen anytime soon. I’ve seen only “amazing” clips And 1,000 percent damage…..

[@FRDMANN27]

@@RanchFairy yeah but they have "bone avoiding technology" 🤣

[@km6731]

wow which pin did you have to use, your 3rd and 15 yard pin? lol

[@Kurtdog63]

My Iphone 13 has 1080p at 240 frames per second. That will give you more arrow re-direct intel, but shots need to be close. Software zoom degrades 1080p quickly. Also high frame rates don't work well in low light. My Tactacam 5.0 films at 1080p with 120 frames per second with an optical 3x zoom with good clarity out to 15 yards. Digital zoom goes up to 8x but is degraded some. Tactacam works decent to 10 minutes passed sunset and 10 minutes before sunrise and cloudless days. You have to change EV (exposure value) to +2 and go to a low frame rate like 4k or 2.7k at 30 frames. Good clear video but poor slow motion for arrow redirect.

[@jons7e]

If they all duck the string... does that mean the bow is the most important sound, or do they all hear the arrow coming?

[@Crayz919]

I think they see it coming peripheral vision is alot greater than ours

[@RJ-qq8kb]

My vote is: both.

[@littlehills]

could u tie a nock to your bow string - and fill a shaft with a tracer line knock it shoot it and trace the arrow?

[@RanchFairy]

@@littlehills There are actually string trackers out there

[@CATfishTONY]

1125 fpc = string jump?

[@CATfishTONY]

String jump 1125 fps prey moves 250 fps arrow moving pigs are fast. 12-15 yards

[@CATfishTONY]

Wang dang twang effect BUT THE MASS OF ENERGY MAN SETUP SCIPS ON 35 MORE YARDS

[@georgegaspa4164]

Great video shows the truth

[@douglasvaughn9530]

Lost 3 nice bucks with a mech head. Had 2 bad deflections and 1 was because a blade opened in flight. The broadheads were Rage and Grim Reaper. I will never use a mechanical again. May try a hybrid but I'm pretty much 100% a fixed blade guy now.

[@judefuselier]

The arrow applies force on the pig, the moving pig applies force on the arrow. Thinking of a boxer going with a punch, thats why i believe mechs are marginal on skiddish animal

[@christopherwatson283]

I've had problems with 2 blade mechanicals. You learn from experience. If, I'm going Mechanical it would be a high angled slide back 3 blade. I've had good success with Meatseekers using seals instead of rubber bands. Even that can't withstand the hard kick out of my newest xbow without opening upon release/prematurely. It can cost you if you fail to consider the inherent issues mechanicals come with.

[@RanchFairy]

@@christopherwatson283 Put the Magnus black hornet 4 blade on your X bow - “the foamer”!!!

[@christopherwatson283]

@@RanchFairy That looks like Nasty News. I shot a couple with a serrated NAP 1.25" 3 blade. Years ago. Blew through and skipped off to the next county. LOL. Fast, easy recoveries. God Bless, C.

[@kjellidso2460]

Please please please test the beast broadhead I know it’s a mechanical but it’s different then pretty much all others its gotta be the best penetrating mechanical broadhead on the market

[@Gibbs-Bijan-moon]

I think you should try the beast broadhead . Then report back . Now I’m a fixed guy but I’m just saying

[@Gibbs-Bijan-moon]

Try the beast ! I’ll post this everyday until you do , screw rage

[@snipersam204]

Rage trypan is twice the head

[@Outdoor-Tactics]

Hoping to bring you some photos and data to study this fall. Man, I wish we had feral pigs up north without all the... destruction.

[@bakters]

mv*dv/dx? Whaaa? Oh, v is not constant, but it's dx/dt... Yeah. Been a long time. F=ma, a=dv/dt for all the regular folks. But I do appreciate that thumbnail!

[@nickblaylock5115]

Great content

[@user-nx8vp5sy5d]

inconsistency is alway due to a blade deployed earlier the the other, does the same thing as a short stubby broadhead, skips the arrow alittle bit on impact

[@ScottWConvid19]

Judging from the point of entry, I'd say that the pig moving the way he did saved you from losing him. lol No, I don't get prefect shots every time either 😂

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

WTF is going on with Sirius and Tuffhead? All the original heavy heads are missing off the website.

[@misterwhymer4473]

Troy, your work is incredibly meaningful. Please continue making your content, having discussions w others in the archery media space, and sharing the answers you find to your questions. The earth being round was once the minority opinion and had many critics who opposed it… the science became so concrete it was ultimately indisputable. The public scope on the most effective lethality of arrows will hopefully follow suit. God bless

[@littlewoody5539]

At 12 yards maybe that long arrow didn’t straighten out before impact maybe at 20 yard would be better .

[@TradTech]

All I know is it took me too long to get where I'm at now with my "adult" arrows. I was a shop arrow whore for nearly 40 years. Still tinkering with my single bevels. So, so close. I wish I was a better shooter to take a little bit more of me out of the equation. LOL Keep it real Troy.

[@jasonfowler44]

😉👍

[@nathanmorkovsky2855]

Really enjoy watching your videos 💪

[@joeburke3553]

Would be interesting to really slow the footage down, and see if the other pigs are reacting to the bow/arrow noise. Or are they reacting to the pig that is being shot at. IE the pig being shot, reacts to the arrow noise, and the other pigs are reacting to it

[@jamesmorris4428]

I would have to say that they all heard something at the same time. The pig on the left was not looking at the one shot, and it still reacted at pretty much the same time as all of the others. Not sure if it was the bow or the arrow that they heard. But they were all together so they would hear it at about the same time.

[@hall0341]

I would imagine it's different in every single situation. I would bet there are instances of the pig being shot at reacted to a pig not being shot at that spooked. They are herd animals and play off each other. If one spooks it's a chain reaction

[@N8Stein]

I would love to have a conversation with you. I think we'd grow together as we processed some of these thoughts

[@N8Stein]

I just want people to do the correct thing. And I think everyone has a correct thing to do for their situation, but that's what it depends on.

[@user-nx8vp5sy5d]

basic explanation, 31 inch 200 spins is like a 28 inch 300 spin, add shot angle blade early deployment. shorten your arrow to stop the wobble, use a over spined 250 or 200 length equal bend, your wasting energy using a overlength stick that flexes more, and not many choices for mechanical for pigs, you can count them with 2 fingers

[@T-Mak-s7x]

Call MFJJ and Tim & Dan and explain this to them. They (Dan) just experienced this on an Elk @ about 50ish yds and those guys are all wondering what happened.

[@RanchFairy]

I know those guys. They won't ask anyone who wants to give them the answer. They'll just sit there and say "it works most of the time". Despite their own experience, in the field, their testing, unfortunately is the few animals they get to hunt. It's interesting, I am often accused of being the guy who "doesn't want to get along with everyone and I am too stuck in "my ways"...... There is no consideration for the fact I have used the pigs at the ranch as a test laboratory (same distance, live shooting, same basic animal and see the results) to develop my "opinion"....... My interest in the hunting arrow discussion is from failure with standard shop arrows and inconsistent results. Such as "Why" did that happen when MOST of the time it doesn't. Better question. Is there a better way? So I went to find out. The more I do this. There are hunting specific arrows and target arrows. Two sports and both are quite fun! Good for all of archery. Target shooting is great for form and consistency of your shot cycle, etc. Which will apply to accuracy hunting. But the target arrow is often not a hunting arrow. One simple example. The long range, competitive, target rifle guys don't care if the bullet penetrates, they shoot the most accurate bullet for score. Many of the very good long range bullets are target specific (not very durable) and listed as so on the manufacturers websites. (I recently started hand loading - it's quite a deal!)

[@T-Mak-s7x]

@@RanchFairy Dan said he’s done with expandable’s on Elk. He eluded to Iron Will or fixed or head like your head would have been in the dirt 40yds on other side of Elk. It blows my mind you put this out just before it happened to these guys and confused the heck out of them. It’s kind of funny, but kind of not.

[@jesset1287]

Have you ever tried an adult arrow with a mechanical broadhead????

[@jango_bmx11]

I love when a very simple observation leads to an aha moment. Energy, which is fairly consistent between changing arrow masses, is a scalar quantity, which means it is nothing but a number. Momentum, on the other hand, which drastically increases with mass is a vector quantity. Meaning, it is a number with a direction tied to it. When your target is moving, energy can be easily dissipated on impact by change in direction. However, momentum is what will carry your arrow forward in the direction of the shot which leads to penetration. One of those things that is instinctively known but this video helped my brain put it into words. Also, I love the hypocrisy that comes from the Twizzle flap side of the argument. “Mass doesn’t matter,“ they say, “it’s all about skill and shot placement. That’s why I shoot the lightest arrow with the least drop and largest cutting diameter. You heavy arrow guys who know how to account for arrow drop and hit vitals with your small fixed blade broad heads have no idea about skill or shot placement.“ Then present them with the issue of a perfectly placed twizzler that fails to penetrate and watch their minds explode as they back pedal their entire argument, or outright lie, trying to find an explanation for something that can’t happen according to them 5 minutes prior

[@matthewlittle9492]

This is the dumbest ish I’ve ever heard. I’d bet $$$ you’ve never taken a physics class. The formula for the precious momentum (p) you speak of is p=mv (momentum= mass X velocity.) You’re not “drastically” increasing momentum by adding weight if you’re also loosing velocity. With a modern compound that was engineered to be most efficient with a 350gr arrow, adding weight gives you a much slower arrow speed but hardly gains you any momentum or ke.

[@jasentonguepowersaws4206]

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[@bdubs1010]

Those pigs with that music makes me want Carnitas!