Why Putin Can't Back Down | Mark Galeotti

[@VladVexler]

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[@ivanprilepchanski7052]

@@VladVexler as for Mark Galeotti, as a historian he should know that about 85 years ago people like Hitler and Gobels were talking similar stories like him : Russia is a house of cards and nobody likes Stalin and it will be easy pray for the Germans . That story ended with the Red Army entering Berlin and with Hitler and Gobels committing suicide in their bunker . Probably this time the Russians will end up in London. I will like to see what Mr. Galotti says when the aRussians are in front of his house ! Naratives and wishful thinking don’t win wars. Mr. Galeotti as a “ great historian “ should know that too .

[@johnboie4964]

You once asked why I watch your videos when we disagree on so much. THIS is why.

[@skippy9659]

Yes, they are nutcases. No actual touch with reality. It’s fascinating.

[@larsentranslation6393]

Thank you for this great teaser of more and deeper conversations. Best wishes for a positive cycle of improved health.

[@williamyoung9401]

I like the new watermark. You look great. 👍

[@rainerunsinn123]

Mark Galeotti and Vlad Vexler in ONE video? We're blessed!!

[@ZippsterSmee]

Match made in heaven. Dude I been waiting for this vid w/o even knowing it! You both are rockstars!

[@lukaramishvili]

Exactly. When I heard "disagreement" about the type of escalation, my ears propped up, because that's usually when the most thought-provoking arguments and deep-diving into motivation appear.

[@luminyam6145]

Agree, what a fantastic discussion.

[@rajivshah6128]

@@rainerunsinn123 yep blessed with fantasies and propaganda.

[@giovannichiaranti9775]

What is this a crossover episode?

[@glenngreatorex3520]

Absolutely fabulous to see you two together. Go Ukraine

[@frankrenda2519]

yes ukraine is being decimated and these two clowns are telling me something else

[@rajivshah6128]

Yeah I am sure these two propagandists talking is helping Ukraine win the war. But only in the wests mind. 🙄

[@ОльгаЮрс]

Forward - where is that ?) Into the abyss ?? How long will they have to wait for "joining NATO", "acceptance into the European Union" - 10 years, 20 years... 50 years ?)) European fairy tales have already destroyed half the country.

[@gayardoo]

FABulous

[@piernikowyloodek]

Legendary Collab! And I appreciate this interview so much more in the light of your recent more severe heath struggles, Vlad. Appreciate every time you speak to us. Wish you all the best

[@VladVexler]

Thanks so much - I did it a few days ago, when I was a bit more functional. Took a while to do a gentle edit.

[@jaycobobob]

I really like the editing style you used for this. Typically podcasts/interviews have a lower, more conversational energy, but this is distinctly up-tempo.

[@martinhartecfc]

So great to see two people who basically agree on fundamentals having a conversation where they aren't afraid to disagree and push back on each other's ideas.

[@s66iw]

True - it is so refreshing

[@anderspuck]

Thank you for this, Vlad. I really enjoyed listening to your conversation. You asked all the right questions that I have been screaming into my headphones while listening to Mark's podcast. I'm probably more on your side in the areas where you disagree, but it was great to hear him respond to the questions directly.

[@VladVexler]

Thank you for taking time dear Anders! Hopefully you and I will get a chance to discuss all this!

[@ninemoonplanet]

Both have made important points, especially with our own forms of democracies that still show roots of discrimination with class, ethnicity, and the treating of the ultra-wealthy, popular music and film personalities. We haven't reached for social equality much lately.

[@DarkestAlice]

I hope to see you in a discussion with Vlad or both, him and Mark Galeotti. I appreciate your analyses very much and it would be immensely interesting to listen to you as a military strategist and Vlad as a philosopher. Thank you, Anders Puck Nielsen, for your analyses of the war in Ukraine!

[@marcinbudniak7821]

"It would be fantastic to feature all three in a single podcast.

[@laleluleilo]

This would be great! ​@@VladVexler

[@matthewmulkeen]

Big brained conversation and I say that with utmost sincerity and respect.

[@VladVexler]

💛

[@normandduern2413]

Two brilliant intellects bringing out the best in each other. Applause, and more, please.

[@rajivshah6128]

Now if only that could win a war and not just titillate the brainwashed believers.

[@SardonicALLY]

What a beautiful meeting of minds. First class video Vlad. Thanks.

[@_amalfitano]

Fantastic, have been looking forward to this! Congratulations.

[@PaulsBees]

This is great. Pure and focused on the subjects at hand. Please get the 2 of you together more.

[@Flornmonk]

THE duo I've been wanting to see!

[@barrylane1055]

Really excellent!!! Wow, Vlad and Mark together! Two brilliant experts dialoguing on Putin and the War. Bravo!!!

[@mariarucci78]

Galeotti and Vlad! What a treat 😉⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@matthemming9105]

What a beautiful conversation this was! Thank you both

[@rajivshah6128]

If only these “beautiful 🙄” conversations could stop a war. All they do is make you brainwashed people feel more hypocritically righteous.

[@thomash3716]

WOW! Another very interesting discussion and video, inspiring my thoughts and understanding ! And i´m glad to see that you seem stronger today! 😃 Much love to you and take care! 🤗

[@PabloVeyrat]

Whoah! Two great thinkers together discussing a timely question! I like it before watching it!

[@kentalanlee]

Great to see you up and about, Vlad. This sort of discussion really elucidates the subtle shades of grey in both of your stated positions on the war. I was suitably entertained by the back and forth. Please do this again sometime.

[@VladVexler]

Thank you!

[@banh_cuong]

Hey, thanks a lot for the guest! Galeotti's moderate optimism has cheered me up a ton. Especially that what Vlad calls "democratic decline" Mark calls "a crisis of democracies". It's not that it just sounds better, it's that a crisis implies there's a way out😅, or even better a development. Also it's good to see that Vlad himself was cheerful and energetic throughout the conversation. Looking forward for the war gamification video.

[@TomTomicMic]

Yes Vlad had to up his game in this interview, not rambling on occasions as he sometimes does, bet he was whacked after the interview though😊!?!

[@banh_cuong]

You're probably right, he must have been, I used "good to see" figuratively, as I usually listen, not watch, so my conclusion was based on the sound of their voices, that gave me the impression that both speakers were exited and happy to have this conversation and I missed all the possibile visual clues of exhaustion towards the end of it.

[@madaradrukalska4115]

A top quality conversation. This has been the most high-energy Vlad I've seen so far.

[@paprika777]

Back in the day, you recommended to us Mr. Galeotti's work. Since then Im listening his podcast and just finished his book! You two are the best, thanks for all!

[@VladVexler]

Thank you back!

[@terryhand]

Thank you Mark and Vlad. This is the conversation I really wanted to hear.

[@larsrons7937]

What a most wonderful conversation to watch. Thought provoking. Relieving. Do get together another time. Cheers and stay safe.

[@zacharyrussell2367]

A wonderful discussion. Thank you both for sharing your time with us

[@djblairsmith6]

That was Brilliant. Thankyou Gentlmen.

[@Anatol-e7v]

Thank yo so much for work, Vlad!

[@ivero2]

Dear @Vlad, I am Norwegian and think I can imagine several scenarios which Galeotti could not: 1. Destroy gas-producing rigs or sabotage pipes in the North Sea. 2. Occupy Svalbard.

[@sananda_kirschner]

I never thought that this chat would happen! So happy to see both of you engaging in an intellectually honest and stimulating way 🌻

[@arminthaller7284]

Vlad, great to see you that energetic.

[@ceceliablair9177]

I found your conversation delightful, in addition to very learned and historically very well informed. I am starting to see that humor,, such as each of you posses, seems to nudge your intelligences into the next higher dimension, so we all benefit and enjoy what you have to share that much more.

[@karinfend2980]

So comforting that 2 great brains and personalities share their important thoughts we couldn't express, but share in spirit. Thank you, wonderful Guys!

[@rositasultana3958]

Keep fighting, Ukraine! Help is coming ❤solidarity from Romania ❤

[@fourthchute]

Ooh two of my faves! Was watching for this!

[@benf1111]

This was amazing. Its really nice to see you bounce ideas back and forth with another intellectual. BTW, glad to see you looking so good.

[@VladVexler]

Thank you! This was recorded a bit before my latest downturn, but I am doing my best!

[@horrisnorris6478]

Great to see Mark and Vlad in conversation together!

[@lucianoosorio5942]

“How many dictators does it take, to turn an empire into a Union of ruinous states? It’s a disgrace what you did to your own people!” Rasputin

[@Sean12248]

Rap Battles of History!

[@GizzyDillespee]

Boney M would be Macron?

[@johnstanczyk4030]

In a parallel universe, this is the boxing match of the century.

[@patrickdonohue530]

To both of you, spot on! 🎯

[@Ukie88]

Putin is KGB don’t forget. We have to think like a soviet.

[@stephenphillips4609]

Really good discussion. It's like Mark and Vlad bring out the best in each other...both know their stuff and know the questions to ask. Vlad seems visibly ill...I hope you get better soon!!!

[@VladVexler]

Thank you - yes it was a miracle to sit up for this conversation!

[@timdownunder99]

Thanks to both of you, the discussion was pure gold and a well constructed presentation. Two great intellects expanding our understanding and knowledge, can't wait for more.

[@apennameandthata2017]

Russia is like a drunken destitute uncle. “Respect me!!’ Respect me!!!”

[@shaun1463]

he dont sanction

[@karlgrimm3027]

The idea of facism being about “The Struggle” without worrying about what you are struggling for is one I have heard before, after all “Mein Kampf” means “My Struggle”

[@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u]

How does classical Italian fascism relate to what you wrote?

[@benfowler1134]

Trump supporter on why they love him. “He fights.” “Yeah, who against?” “He just fights, you know?”

[@stephenhill545]

Classical Italien fascism " Church, family, motherland". Sound familiar?​@@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u

[@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u]

@@stephenhill545 Where did you get that from, considering that it's in quotation marks, it's a quote? That should sound familiar to most countries, it's not the hallmark of classic Italian fascism.

[@pouncet1683]

​@@EvgeniyYakushev-m2u it is typical of extremist movements. They always fight to save the nation. Against everyone not a member of the group.

[@Matt.Willoughby]

Oh wow! What an amazing guest to bring on to the show!

[@MrQwertasdfgzxcvbpoi]

Hello Vlad, this is one of the most insightful discussions on the topic. Thank you for this and looking forward to the different conversations that you will have in the future!

[@itwasntme9687]

Thank you, Vlad. You know, I didn't know anything about Mark Galeotti before you recommended his podcast to us. But since then, I listened to every single one of it. I really enjoyed listening to both of you together. But, after all, I missed you talking about why it matters that you slightly disagree. Maybe I just didn't get it (my English is quite bad), and if so, I am sorry for bothering you. Anyway, thank you very much, best wishes for your health and lots of love from Germany! 🌻

[@VladVexler]

Thank you very much. I'm sure I come back to this topic soon. Mark is less alarmist than I am about this scenario arising.

[@itwasntme9687]

@@VladVexler Thank you so much! It is really nice to know that you understood what I meant! And I don't mean (only) the language barrier here. ❤️

[@dproduzioni]

WOW this one was truly amazing, you two guys should do more collabs YOU ROCK! Clean analysis, thank you.

[@saint-miscreant]

YES MORE OF THIS 🙌🏻 how lovely to see 2 eloquent individuals engaging in a thoughtful and critical discussion. you are both some of my favourite people to listen to - you elucidate your thoughts very clearly and frame the issues very well.

[@AS-om3xk]

Very interesting conversation! Thank you for time and effort.

[@Finnishguy777]

Thank you both very much of this, super interesting video

[@andrewgreen6429]

One of the most interesting and enlightening conversations I’ve heard in quite a while. Bravo to you both ❤

[@wlhjr77]

Great discussion, thanks guys

[@MaudMargretheRex]

Firstly- happy to see you up, hoping everything goes the right Way. Secondly; Beautiful Lay out: needed in any media.. for all to get their hands on. Happy to be in Your Community 🙏🏼

[@40watt_club]

Thanks! Please share with Mark. Love from Vienne/Autriche

[@VladVexler]

Thank you! For Mark? I will find a way. Cool.

[@Perkelenaattori]

I could've listened to you guys for 8 hours. Wonderful discussion.

[@ivayloivanov8153]

I am with Vlad on this one. 1) Putin doesn't look at the Baltic states as part of the West but as part of Russia's domain that temporarily got away. 2) He most definitely wants to take them out of NATO. 3) There is also very little doubt in my mind that he is eager to challenge article 5. Certainly not via Ukraine-like full scale invasion but some small incursion to "defend" "oppresses"majority Russian town/village - just enough to violate their territorial integrity but small enough to tempt Trump-like figures in the West to let it go and thus destroy NATO cohesion. Why wouldn't he? He can see Western leaders are spineless, divided and easily intimidated via nuclear threats.

[@larsrons7937]

1, 2, 3, I agree with you on all parts. If Mark means "don't want to take on (open war with) the _full force_ of NATO" I agree with him. But I'm sure he very much want to challenge Article 5 in any way he can, as long as he thinks he can get away with it (f.ex. if USA won't reacti and rest of NATO countries are 'split'). If he can, he will. He knows he can't fight a united NATO, but he might be able to fight a smaller part of NATO. I believe the threat is real.

[@Maxarcc]

Liking and commenting to give the main channel a little bump in the algorithm. I hope more people will see good analysis about this conflict. Thanks for all the hard work Vlad, and special wishes for your health.

[@lada.violin]

that was nice, thank you both for the time~

[@Martynhse]

Vlad and Galeotti wow top billing thanks !

[@cardinal_thrill5]

Great chat Vlad and mark

[@sej8806]

Great video!

[@alistairmunro4670]

Thanks!

[@VladVexler]

@@alistairmunro4670 thank you back!

[@ramspace]

"Putin is now hooked on conflict." What a sad state of affairs.

[@stephenhill545]

Fascism is eternal struggle, read war, as a means of purifying the national spirit.

[@Paul-jb6rk]

Comment for the algorithm. Will watch in the morning!

[@VladVexler]

Thank you!

[@jamesgoodzeit214]

Amazing interview!

[@quad2036]

Amazing video. Tickled my brain

[@anzelmasmatutis2500]

War with Finland in 1939 Russia started also as "defensive".

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

The parallels between the Winter War and this one (some reminisces of the Spnish Civil War as well as far as foreign backers and their commitments) are fairly blatant.

[@DS-zr8pw]

Vlad, you look great! How'd you do it? I hope your health is now stable.

[@VladVexler]

I did it by doing it by pushing through partly, and partly by taping before the recent extra turn for the worse! Doing my best to manage it all and stay connected with the community!

[@DarkestAlice]

Thank you so much, Vlad and Mark Galeotti, for this conversation, which not only showcases how to juggle ideas, but also how to gently disagree with each other, which only expands each other's horizon. Looking very much forward to episode 2. Take good care, Vlad, and do not exert yourself. All the best for your recovery. Lots of love to you and the Beautiful Community 🤗

[@Sean12248]

I hope there's more videos with Mark. Heck if Vlad and Mark have other people on it'd be good!

[@suzannekiraly4480]

Thank you for this energizing discussion between two respected intellectuals!

[@Pincer88]

What a great exchange of perspectives! Hats off to you both!

[@catherineandpaulfuters2523]

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[@beneditoventuroso]

Great dialogue, my dear and admirable Vlad. Thank you and Mark very much for helping us to organize our thoughts on this complex and burning issue.

[@VladVexler]

@@beneditoventuroso thank you back!

[@gjk282]

So much to unpack here. Thank you!

[@Wanhope2]

Here to support the algo!

[@timbomilko5367]

Wonderful to hear commentators prepared to present and work with complexity ... I also saw your other very insightful video on how we think, ruminate upon and represent Russia/Ukraine ... looking at expertise, advocacy, etc. Excellent!

[@spasgeorgiev6909]

Love the content!

[@laleluleilo]

Awesome to see the both of you!

[@MonsterCookieMuncher]

Excellent stuff Vlad, very interesting to see the interaction and results.

[@m.walther6434]

Great discussion, very appreciated. Thank You very much.

[@MrBudgiejoe]

Brilliant discussion! Much enjoyed and appreciated guys, thanks 🙏 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

[@anarchist]

Very interesting discussion, especially after just coming from Anders Puck Nielsen's new video "Why did experts fail to predict Russia's invasion of Ukraine?". To me, trying to understand the Russian state from an existential perspective feels like peeling and eating a raw onion so it was a pleasure to watch two experts discuss it with such comfort. The "weaponisation of inconvenience" is also an interesting idea, will be interesting to see how that plays out in practice.

[@dlmsarge8329]

I was just had a funny image of Peter Zeihan furiously taking notes and watching this over and over again in order to have his "interpretation" and "analysis" ready for his next well paid speaking gig!! Hahaha

[@dtrinla]

Terrific

[@PokemonGuy666]

Great talk, you two! Thank you very much!!

[@pdbowman]

I am glad i found time to view this one. Thank you for putting it together, Vlad.

[@allsender]

Absolutely fabulous talk! One of the most interesting conversations I've ever listened!

[@gazeuze]

Great collaboration!

[@kjthompson6513]

An informative conversation. Thanks

[@richardburgess8657]

Great! Great! Great! Thank you, gentlemen. 😎

[@kaiying74]

I loved this. Fascinating discussion. Thanks Vlad & Mark. Big love.

[@VladVexler]

Love back!

[@IvanGreenaway]

Thank you - Mark is a genius!

[@Ross8992]

A double whammy of expertise and thoughtfulness. Good stuff!

[@VladVexler]

🌻

[@janjasiewicz9851]

Excellent episode...!👍

[@blueydurrant713]

Love you guys...I could watch you individually or together all day long. Thank you for being so clever and wise.b.x

[@PawesomeCatVideo]

Fascinating. Thank you. I also sensed that Putin is "locked in" to this conquest. I fear for the future. Not an Armageddon, but a future of an unrelenting age of cruelty. The idea that this is a mystical mission form the Kremlin is disturbing. It perhaps explains why I have always had mistrust and/or a disdain for mystical novels and imagined universes such as Star Wars et al.

[@bostoys]

“Perfidious Albionic plot” is a brilliant turn of phrase

[@VladVexler]

I liked it too!

[@dannydetonator]

This phrase is the first one that reminded me to brush up on my English in years😅

[@anonymou5624]

I really enjoyed this video

[@criscruzparra2243]

Yay! Great to see you two!!!