Why Rick Warren Changed His Mind on Women Pastors | Doug Wilson

Doug Wilson reacts to Rick Warren telling Russell Moore why he changed his mind on women pastors.
H/T to ‪@WokePreacherClips‬ for the clip.
Doug Reacts is an apologetics reaction series presented by Canon Press.

[@t.scottmajor1316]

“Tell me what the world is saying today, and I’ll tell you what the church will be saying in seven years.” - Francis Schaeffer

[@fbcpraise]

Wow. Spot on.

[@kerrylawson7515]

He ain't wrong.

[@andyfonseca3618]

*what weak churches

[@terrifictomm]

Just like the Republican Party!

[@t.scottmajor1316]

@@terrifictomm I haven't voted in decades.

[@wfbane]

I'm not an exegete, but I can notice things. It's not long after a denomination starts ordaining women that the same denomination starts flying the rainbow flag.

[@lkae4]

Progressives talk about listening to the Spirit. Well, the Spirit has spoken over the past 4 or 5 decades and said female pastors are horrible for the church and for humanity.

[@ultimatefitlevel3932]

Pattern!!

[@lisalp356]

He did that years ago.

[@argentorangeok6224]

Yup!

[@jkm9332]

Slippery slope fallacy?

[@zgennaro]

He literally built a career out of catering to culture lol

[@anastasiaburr3959]

True!!

[@bogeyman1282]

Yes, LITERALLY...😂

[@popjaw1andOnly]

A career and a great mountain of earthly mammon. He's a verified, card-carrying lackey for the World Economic Forum (Klaus Shwab's Great Reset mafia family), and a personal favorite "neovange guru" of the Universalist Christ-denier, Oprah Winfrey. These are on the record, proven facts, not speculation nor slander. There's an abundance of doctrinal red flags surrounding Rick Warren, and these are just a few.

[@GabrielMartinez-su8di]

💯

[@pastorjasonyt]

@Joshua By Rick's own words at the SBC Convention last year "I've trained more pastors than all of the SBC seminaries combined!" *Sigh*

[@borisvandruff7532]

“I didn’t bow to culture on this issue. That’s eisegesis.” >proceeds to commit eisegesis

[@brycejeffcoat2342]

You beat me to this exact comment lol. He is literally ignoring every other scripture that sheds light on that passage.

[@cosmictreason2242]

He also bows to culture

[@self_aware_brokenness3005]

Nailed it

[@freshfishbowl]

He also came to this conclusion after decades of being a pastor, just in time to be accepted by the world on this issue, and not a moment too soon.

[@JonJaeden]

@@freshfishbowl Shouldn't he return a portion of his salary for all those years he preached without knowing what the Bible said?

[@BrianJohnson-lx3zd]

Warren: "The culture can't change me on this." Wilson: *looks at camera and chuckles* lol I loved that moment.

[@danamo5601]

Me too!!!

[@abbybrunet]

Oh, really. The year was 2020 for crying out loud!

[@reminders8657]

LOL

[@RayMarticek]

Wow! How deceived Rick Warren is!!

[@jayfrei]

The best response that could’ve been given.

[@joshuaclaibourn9847]

“I changed when I came across 4 scriptures no one talks about.” One of them: The Great Commission, one of the most preached passages in all of Scripture.

[@Maloma12]

I think he meant that no one talks about them in the context of women sharing the Gospel.

[@roxannelain7138]

I love how he is a best selling Christian author and mentions not reading those 4 texts before….

[@Carmine.Falcone]

Not knowing about the bible is incredibly trendy amongst so-called Christian best-selling authors...

[@livewellleadwell]

well he didn’t say he hadn’t read it, he said “no one told me” about what these verses really mean. I’m not saying that’s any better of course

[@JonJaeden]

Now that he's retired, he has more time to read the Bible.

[@lpadron13]

​@@JonJaeden underrated comment 😂

[@Post_Tenebras_Lux09]

Yes, a new perspective on this topic could sure help sell some books.

[@jasonsherwood7539]

My mind changed on this too. I used to think having women preach was no big deal. Well it’s destructive, on many levels. We really need to learn to simply obey God.

[@anthonynosike]

How is it destructive?

[@greglopez8206]

Yup

[@savedby_grace6110]

​@@anthonynosike It's out of order. Rebellion= no bueno ..lol...

[@anthonynosike]

@@savedby_grace6110 nah say that the women need to do better but not that they shouldn't preach altogether. They make up 60% of the church. Acts 2:17, 4 daughters who were prophetess in Acts, and even the deacon in Roman's 16 all contributed to the church. We need them, just as much as we need male preachers. Remember, Gal. 3:28

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@anthonynosike - Amen!

[@christophertaylor9100]

I mean its worth watching just to learn how NOT to read the Bible

[@self_aware_brokenness3005]

Nailed it

[@livewellleadwell]

sadly… so true

[@fbcpraise]

Yes.

[@rubycruze4307]

Honestly

[@jankoekemoer6034]

Sad indeed

[@ricknofzinger]

Warren led a very large charge for many yrs., wrote many books, yet, he says, " I changed my mind because there are 4 scriptures that no one ever TOLD ME ABOUT." What? He never knew these 4 scriptures? C'mon, man!

[@bnato8209]

I couldn't help but wonder what is going on behind Russell's blank stare to Rick's blatantly and clearly erroneous Scriptural interpretation.

[@martygriffin1820]

He’s doing what he always does: think of a way to profit off it! Russell Moore is all about the advancement of Russell Moore.

[@davidsutter1846]

Pastor Doug- It is sad to watch before our eyes both Russell and Rick continuing their rapid drift away from the truth they once held! Thanks for your help!

[@c.a.g.3130]

Book sales must be down.

[@berean77]

"The culture can't change me on this". That from a man who has made millions marketing to the culture.

[@rzella8022]

Our church back in the day, did the Purpose Driven Life. Just so cunningly deceptive, but leads to watering down Scripture. Perhaps the goal.

[@jumperstartful]

Which is why I don't follow and read anything he puts out!

[@ericwilliams626]

The issue is authority, not teaching or organizing. The plight to be avoided is women ruling over men by the very definition. You can see it in secular culture and see how that's working out?

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Amen. You nailed it.

[@justinmayfield6579]

Amen.

[@markkusyrjala7919]

Thats true. I've never heard that explanation. The gospel must be preached by women and men yes. The authority is for men. Simple.

[@aallen5256]

There are so many female world leaders, Eric. They’re working out better than fine in countries as varied as Germany, NZ, Taiwan, UK, Norway, Singapore, Finland, Iceland and many more. Male rulers have presided over the decline and fall of almost every empire in history, haven’t they?

[@justinmayfield6579]

@@aallen5256 they aren’t working out well, friend. Half the ones you mentioned have been in the news prominently for blunders they’ve done. Merkel sold her country to refugees. Men have also presides over the rising of every empire. There are other factors that influence the success of a nation. The gender of the leadership is just one of them.

[@michaellittler7036]

I attended Saddleback for years until God moved me out of there as I began to mature and thirst for the word. So grateful I am not there. Covid, George Floyd and the feminist movement showed that Warren does, despite what he said early in this video, cater to culture all the time. Who else could throw a blacks only event like he did (after the George Floyd event) unless they catered to culture?

[@DrVarner]

Doug’s laugh right after RW says culture didn’t change him was the only critique needed.

[@Eye_Witness]

When Rick Warren says "it's a whole new world, baby" he's basically admitting it's a change in culture.

[@gnc623]

I cracked up at Doug Wilson's little chuckle after Warren said, "Culture could not change me on this issue." 😆 Suuureee....

[@JohnSmith-ug5ci]

2 Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

[@hannahredfern9407]

I hope Rick adequately stretched before he performed that gymnastic act to reach that conclusion.

[@BrianJohnson-lx3zd]

I got sprains just listening...

[@lbircher1]

This is extremely sad! The times are closing in so fast the the falling away from the truth. We are all wrapped up in changing these crazy people. We just need to walk away from them and keep telling the real Word of truth. Thanks for the video Brother.

[@wejpasadena1]

Rick is confusing a common call to evangelize and pray with specific offices in the church. The two are not the same.

[@samuelbell3281]

This seems very common with people who want to twist the Bible. They think that just because a woman was mentioned that it means that they can lead the church. It's bizarre.

[@kenethsoberano]

To the woman he said, “Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

[@deidrascott8871]

What does that mean

[@christelbrown2349]

That's not a command. That was the curse.

[@DannyTillotson]

​@@christelbrown2349And the curse is still in place. The ground is still cursed too and women still experience labour pains.

[@frankfrantz3898]

Lgbtq ordination right around the corner...

[@sashaalpatru8100]

Yep...

[@Seeceeman]

Already here

[@thejuiceisloose3785]

Already happening, the road to destruction is broad and easy and many will go. The path to heaven is narrow and hard and few will find it.

[@JohnJones-qy5ko]

@@Seeceeman Yup. Lutheran trans bishop.

[@The_IcemaN_723]

These two issues are not connected at all. I used to think this same thing, until I listened to real arguments for Egalitarianism. Rick's argument is mostly uninformed compared to others.

[@photomom1169]

I love the way you laughed after just one minute. “The culture could not change me”. Ha 😂

[@melissaculpepper7663]

“Many will be deceived and fall away from the faith…”

[@joshsimpson10]

I had the same laugh reaction to "culture didn't change me" part. No words just laughs lol

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Rick and Russel. What great examples of strong Orthodoxy 😮

[@hondotheology]

hahahaha

[@mkshffr4936]

🤣🤣

[@thirstypilgrim97]

@John Sixfourteefour Where would Keller fit?

[@billh.5360]

@John Sixfourteefour Yeah, Andy Stanley is a real disappointment! His "theology" is incredibly misguided. I can't help wonder what Charles Stanley thinks of his son's so called teaching. 😪☹️

[@JonJaeden]

Is orthoducksy another name for having all your ducks in a row?

[@pdxnikki1]

Doug, you're awesome. This Catholic woman loves you, brother. Great job, sir. 😊🙏

[@johnprentice1474]

Fellow Catholic here. Some of our Priests could learn a lot from Doug. Gotta love a Protestant pastor who's not afraid to quote Chesterton.

[@ReachOutMinistries]

Orthadox Christian here: Holy tradition which includes what we've always done and Holy Scripture settled this once for all.

[@Independencebaptist]

True Christian here who does not pray to Mary idols (Ashtoreth, Queen of heaven) or saints (necromancy) and who understands that to re-sacrifice Christ every time your blasphemous Mass is observed is pagan idolatry. if Doug was on the ball he'd take these issues on as well. Please here our message "Lies of the Catholic Church"

[@tubalcain6874]

@@ReachOutMinistries ☦️ 🙏

[@johnprentice1474]

@@Independencebaptist In this comment section, Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox have all managed to be united in Christ despite our theological differences and worship preferences. Why are you sowing division with your lies about the Catholic Church? Mary is not Ashtoreth and saints are more alive in heaven than we are on earth (hence no "necromancy"). Christ is not "re-sacrificed" at the Mass. We participate by consuming the offering (Christ Himself) as He instructed His followers to do in replacement of the Passover tradition. This command came straight from Him and can be found even in Protestant Bibles. Please stop spreading lies about the Catholic Church and humble yourself.

[@cookieraider2182]

Growing up Pentecostal we actually did have 10 year old preachers which is hilarious looking back on it now

[@chrisleannwynnministries6927]

There have been little boy preachers who were probably used by their parents to make money. But a ten year old could share their simple faith in a sermon. It wouldn't be theologically astute perhaps, but if he knows Jesus and is sincere he could be used by God. Wouldn't it be nice if ten year olds began giving Bible messages in Reformed churches? Good Sunday School training and encouragement can prepare all believers, whatever their age, to be ready to share, in season and out of season.

[@danm5911]

In an appropriate setting, I don't see a problem with this. My last church had a 9th grader leading a bible study with others his age. It worked fine.

[@rickyratcomics]

​@@chrisleannwynnministries6927 Yes, makes me think of Samuel

[@gtolose]

sounds crazy and not biblical so yep - an error in someones judgement/ discernment most likely, not sure I would think it funny if God is mocked as a result.

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

Very hilarious when I think about it now. Thought this only happened at my church

[@lonecrusaider]

I laugh about stuff like this too but only in the sense of how absurd their self deception is. If it wasn't so serious of an issue I would laugh more, but sadly these "men" are leading a great many people down a very dark path. Keep reading brethren. Test everything every time.

[@Saratogan]

Doug, You don't know what Rick Warren would eisegete into "a little child shall lead them." 😁

[@sandilobianco6734]

@John Sixfourteefour Nice!

[@Pastor_Grant]

Rick gaslighting like a true Dem

[@michaelrameriz2723]

Rick is always fulfilling scripture😊

[@bruce8961]

Like how?

[@self_aware_brokenness3005]

I see what you did there...

[@JerseyGurl4Life]

A woman sharing the news of an empty tomb is one of those weak arguments I hear a lot.

[@jim6690]

@@bruce8961 "...fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock..." Acts 20:29

[@Sky_KingMV]

Super logical arguments against women being shepherds of churches. Also, why isn't 1 Timothy 3 ever used in these discussions? To me, those first few verses are much clearer than any other.

[@abbybrunet]

I love how these pastors never stop to think: "Is it true that this has never been understood until 2020?!" Or consider how that resembles the beginnings of oh, say, new, false religions!

[@mccaski2]

Yeah they hadn't figured it out thousands of years ago with Deborah, Junia, Lydia, etc either....

[@charitymeyer9903]

Did anyone else think the Rick Warren’s opening statement was him being a salesman, putting on his steel toed boots so his foot didn’t get crushed in the door? With that said this makes me so sad. I grew up in a Saddleback style church in So Cal and this one issue has caused so much division in my family. May their eyes be open to the truth!

[@stephenwells1559]

Let me interpret the verse that helps me express the opinion I want to have to fit into the current culture and ignore the verses that explicitly forbid the things contained in the current culture that I want to fit in with. Pretty much par for the course in modern churches.

[@aallen5256]

Exactly! such hypocritical cherry-picking! Where are the modern churches preaching about shaving and marrying beautiful prisoners of war (Deuteronomy 21: 10-14)?! Or discussing how to settle an unsolved murder by washing villager's hands in the blood of a heifer?!

[@danielmihet5513]

First time I see Doug smiling. Rick Warren the guy that can make Doug smile. 😊

[@Golfinthefamily]

Doug laughs all the time on these... just watch more of them. He is jolly.

[@andrewbrowne5557]

@@Golfinthefamily Jolly is a great word to describe Doug’s demeanor! Even more so after church on a Sunday morning!

[@johannes6760]

The only reason Rick is doing this is because he's probably about to release a book about women pastors. He's conditioning the goats of the church to buy his book that will be out soon. He'll make a killing on book sales. 🤷

[@USMC1973]

Is Rick on the down low😮😮

[@jameswheat4225]

Rick Warren never fooled me. God bless you brother Doug

[@atestring1379]

Doug Wilson doesn't fool me Thank you Rick Warren

[@clemsonalum98]

It's so obvious he bowed to culture and then backed into scriptures to try and justify it, so he's also a liar.

[@supsoo]

Rick warren never fooled me. I hated purpose driven life when in college.

[@Schi8694]

Since this was about Rick Warren, I expected incoherent nonsense. He met my expectations.

[@5inging4Jesus]

I bet if the apostle Paul was around here today, he would say "I do not permit Rick Warren to preach!"... 🙈

[@masterkay6383]

Can 10 year olds become Christians? Yes they can. My son became a Christian at 5 years old after I prayed with him. What I didn’t realise was that after he prayed he had the real experience of Gods presence which I did not realise until became an adult and he reminded me of that. But as a kid he was always smiling, quite joyful and happy. Teachers loved him, kids loved him. But I didn’t realise his happiness was the joy of the Lord until he grew up. I think as a kid he probably didn’t fully realise his experience until later.

[@brb-s8705]

Doug said 10 yo's could become Christians, too. He said they can't or shouldn't be ordained to preach.

[@SeanShineYouth]

This is not the strongest argument for women in ministry. Actually Doug you slipped up and started mentioning them better than Rick. If women are prophesying, they’re speaking in church bro. So either Paul was contradicting himself (which I don’t believe) or the women in those specific churches were causing specific issues… not all women for all time. How about this: Why is Phoebe called “deaconess” when the word is always translated pastor for everyone else? Why was Priscilla involved in teaching Apollos (a man). These are biblical examples of how women were active in teaching/preaching situations that seem to contradict Paul- but again, it’s not contradiction, it’s showing us that we’ve misinterpreted Paul’s words bc we don’t have the full picture of the context. These are more compelling to me.

[@firstorder438]

Amen brother!

[@damarisbenzar3706]

Yes!!

[@criticalthinkingwjake]

Clearly they were speaking in church as they prophesied, but thats a reason Paul said that women (1 Cor. 14:34) should keep silent in the churches. It is not contradicting to say that Priscilla was helping teach a man, but they also took him aside quietly to better explain. It was not an open air rebuke. And there is nothing prohibited about a “deaconess” in the nt. They were common. Deacon/deaconess were and are servants of the church. Women having the ability to serve women in a way that is inappropriate for men. Deacons/deaconesses are not teachers.

[@SeanShineYouth]

so you believe that a woman can prophesy in the church, but not teach? And you see no potential connection between these things, for example you don't believe that a prophetic word could include instruction?@@criticalthinkingwjake

[@brandirose579]

​@SeanShineYouth thank you!! Blessings for studying the word more thorough!

[@the32712]

To quote John Macarthur to women that want to preach: "Go Home"

[@chrisleannwynnministries6927]

Not MacArthur's most shining moment. Such remarks appeal to our base instinct to laugh at those with whom we disagree.

[@the32712]

@@chrisleannwynnministries6927 One of my favorite MacArthur moments. It's almost as good as when Elijah told the Baal worshippers: "Hey! Y'all ain't loud enough. Baal must be napping, or maybe he's travelling, or maybe he's taking a big dump. Y'all better pray louder to wake him up! Haha!"

[@chrisleannwynnministries6927]

@@the32712 But the Baal worshipers were not brethren of Elijah. Whether you like it or not, even if you have a problem with his theology, Rick Warren is your brother in Christ. (And Beth Moore and the other lady preachers are your sisters in Christ)

[@philblagden]

I remember him being interviewed years ago by John Piper and talking about his respect for Jonathan Edwards and reformed theology. I also remember Rick calling pope Benedict "our pope" and refusing to stand for justification by faith alone. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[@nancycrayton2738]

Thank you. I'm glad you addressed this.

[@ewl1210]

How had he never considered these Scriptures on this? Has he never talked to people? These are commonly misused Scriptures in this debate. I'm glad culture could not change him, but it's convenient the change happened around the same time.

[@DaBigArmyDude]

First it’s head coverings, then it’s women pastors, and it ends in drag queen story hour.

[@USMC1973]

Drag queen Bible study 😅now 😊

[@rzella8022]

@@USMC1973 May it never be. But nothing surprises me anymore.

[@jamesreed5678]

It will got o drag queen story hour, but it won't end there. Worse is to come, if the woke get their way.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Finding excuses to make some categories of people "lesser" is one of the most damaging things in society. Desperately maintaining that is sad. Saying that a 30 year old woman is incapable of ordination by comparing her to a 10 year old boy is astounding.

[@hasonpoy]

I think that pressure from other people did change his mind on this issue. All those in the church should be known to be co-laborers in the gospel. However, this does not mean that all co-laborers should be ordained or teach to the church. This is not a Great Commission issue - evangelism and missions should not be confused with pastoral ministry. Finally, being indwelt with the Holy Spirit is an all-believers feature, not an all-ordained issue (see Joel).

[@ogmakefirefiregood]

Rick is just DRIPPING with pride and Arrogance. How bout that.

[@NathanShattuckIsHere]

Ahh, the old ‘my position is evolving’ lie

[@PeccatorGratia]

I'm wi Doug on this one, but here's a little gem from Matthew Henry I read a few weeks back. "The women are sent to tell it to them, and so are made, as it were, the apostles of the apostles. This was an honour put upon them, and a recompence for their constant affectionate adherence to him, at the cross, and in the grave, and a rebuke to the disciples who forsook him." It's always striking to find language like this in the old guys, but I'm glad to find things that help me not be too dogmatic with my language.

[@Yaas_ok123]

Thanks from Finland.

[@lpadron13]

Amazingly, Warren, a *pastor*, had never read these passages or heard anyone preach them until a few years ago after which he immediately changed his mind on the issue and repented.

[@danieljosephdelta44semperfi]

And where can I find this idea of ordination in the word of God?

[@brdgamz]

The motto in our house is "live for an audience of one." You can live either for the approval of man or the approval of God.

[@jakobbarger1260]

There's a difference between teaching unauthoritatively and teaching authoritatively.

[@thecrypt5823]

When you attempt to harmonize scripture with the ways of the world, scripture becomes discordant with itself. When all of scripture harmonizes, it remains discordant with the world.

[@iamh95]

Rick Warren's explanation sort of sounds like Steven Furtick.

[@SalvableRuin]

It's pathetic that those who presume to teach cannot distinguish between an ordained pastor and someone teaching their neighbour.

[@suewillis3512]

Pastor Wilson, you're right. Thank you. (signed, a woman)

[@jacobcollins2861]

Pastor Mike Winger does a great multi-part study on this topic with hundreds of hours of research exploring both sides and coming to same conclusion.

[@Zanroff]

In Matthew, it specifically says he was talking to the 11 disciples about the great commission.

[@1MarmadukeFan]

I love when Google gives me long LGBTQMAP+ ads so that I can mute them and play them knowing that it will increase the ad revenue going to Canon Press.

[@randywalters2184]

So, Rick Warren was lying to the SBC meeting? He represented that he had a different understanding of THESE types of ministry positions. No he was lying, he ordains women

[@Leinad734]

Thanks Doug, always held the view women cannot have authority over a man. Thats it!

[@MrJoshuagarland]

I couldn’t believe this was the extent of Warren’s argument. Embarrassing

[@johnbrowne2170]

Every women I've ever heard preach was full of errors.

[@jamiesmith9827]

This just shows that R. Warren does not know how to correctly handle Scripture. As a woman, this is tiring and sexist. It is saying that teaching women and children is beneath people and that this is not fully using the gift the Spirit bestowed upon them. This is also telling God that His gift and our calling are lacking... tread carefully

[@garysmith2922]

Questions: what do you mean by "ordination to office"? Where do you find that in scripture? Are you referring to the appointment of elders and deacons?

[@JonJaeden]

If I ever make a video that Doug might post a reaction to, I'm going to first remove the pictures from my wall ...

[@joshuariston2924]

I literally asked a Pastor one time, why Jesus didn’t call female apostles? Or call queens over Israel in the Old Testament? No response

[@jakerinehold9697]

Some twenty years ago the pastor of our little community church decided we would do the 40 Days in Hell (that's not the actual name). I had recently read a book, "Deceived on Purpose" and gave it to my wife to read. She passed it on and it eventually ended up on the pastor's desk. It had my name on the inside cover. The night before, a prominent lady in our church after reading the book complained to the deacons so that evening the pastor and deacons visited her. She tossed Warren's book in the trash and told the pastor what she thought of this 40 Days thingy. The next day I got the phone call. The pastor wanted to see me in his office. I complied. He asked me what I was doing passing the book around (actually my wife did the passing) so I told him that Warren was a fraud and our church shouldn't read his book or follow his example. That apparently wasn't the answer he was looking for. A year or so later the pastor retired and moved to Moscow, ID.

[@billh.5360]

Jake, Back when Warren's book was going gangbusters, my church was also doing a study on it. I had grave reservations about the book as well. I had asked for a meeting with my pastor, and we talked about the issue for over an hour. He couldn't have been kinder in his manner and respect for my opinion. However, they still had the study, and I visited other churches for the duration till it was over.

[@demsyciu]

That book "deceived on purpose".. who is the writer?

[@D33r_Hunt3r_]

@demsy ciu Warren Smith. I just looked it up on Amazon and will be adding it to my reading list!

[@livewellleadwell]

I can’t remember if I fully read the book, but I know I read some of it. Can you sum up what the issues are with it?

[@fredhall5038]

Joel 2:28-29. It is intriguing that Baptists and Calvinists never examine this verse or Peter’s proclamation of its fulfillment in Acts 2:16-21. Now if God determined to include the ladies in His prophetic ministries I cannot be the one to deny them. Have we not seen and still see the carnage that men have wrought on the Church? Are men to be considered more spiritual than men? And of the husband as head over the wife, what if the ladies are unmarried? Consider this also, if music be part of the preaching ministry shall we tell the ladies to go home? As for teaching the children shall we ask for volunteers among us men? And for exegesis should we not examine the cultural and religious culture of Paul’s times? I am well aware that women of biblical times were not afforded much exposure to education or instruction except that which their menfolk gave at home, but the early Apostles were said to be ignorant and uneducated men. It is not education which makes one a preacher, although it is most useful, rather it is the poured out Spirit who gives gifts as He will.

[@smylecracker]

Doug Wilson is so refreshing. A Chesterton for us Americans.

[@firstthes2811]

Wait, they made another Dumb and Dumber movie, this time with Russell Moore and Rick Warren? I had no idea. They should have made a sequel to the The Three Amigos instead, included Beth Moore and called it The Three Compromisers. 😂

[@B33nj4m1n]

That should totally be a show or movie on Loor!🤣

[@thecrypt5823]

They are most definitely compromised, in more ways than one.

[@fireseedmusic]

I would also add that preaching in a general context in the world or even specifically preaching the good news of the gospel to sinners is not the same as holding a biblical office in the church governmental body, as in being an elder, pastor, bishop, deacon, etc. As a woman, I am sometimes "preaching" in a sense, as in exhorting sinners to trust in Christ or encouraging my fellow believers in their faith walk or even preaching to myself! That's very different than holding an authoritative leadership role within the body of Christ.

[@8784-l3b]

Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.

[@fireseedmusic]

​@@8784-l3b I don't need your post. I read my Bible. People being equal spiritually does not mean they have the same roles within the family or the church.

[@Globeguy1337]

Reminds me of one ‘takedown’ I saw where the guy ‘refuted’ Doug’s model that [men tend the garden and women tend the gardener] by quoting Genesis 1:28; “it says ‘THEM’, Doug!”. I didn’t know whether to laugh or facepalm.

[@andyzar1177]

There are boy preachers already! Haha, and you guys loved them.

[@B33nj4m1n]

"Well Timmy, you're 8 years old now, so it's time for you to become a missionary in a country that hates God and his people!" Somehow, I doubt that was the kind of thing Jesus had in mind when he said to make disciples of all nations, but maybe I just have the wrong translations?

[@firstorder438]

Matthew 18:4-Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.5-“Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, So glad you know the intentions of our Lord perfectly hope the joke was worth it Matthew 12:36-I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, God Bless my brother

[@B33nj4m1n]

@@firstorder438 So glad to see you have a sense of humor and can ignore comments if you don't like them

[@firstorder438]

@@B33nj4m1n Just like you ignored mine? Matthew 7:5-You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Again Matthew 12:36-I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, God Bless my brother be better, farewell and peace be with you.

[@B33nj4m1n]

@@firstorder438 I responded to your reply as it's the proper thing to do.(note the difference between a comment and a reply) You've been lobbing accusations like a fool that doesn't know as well as you should. Calling my comment careless, and me a hypocrite... Ha! Take a better look at yourself!

[@Zaloomination]

Why can't a pastor see the difference between preaching the gospel on the street to goats and in the church to sheep?

[@loveheals8797]

“Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ Take note.

[@firstorder438]

Amen brother I see and hear it to Matthew 13:9-He who has ears, let him hear.” What they don't see Proverbs 16:18-Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. God Bless

[@AnnaChristianMinistries]

If THE LORD makes a Woman a Preacher/Prophet, Pastor, Minister or Teacher. No one will stop HIM.

[@GuyEndore]

I don’t know if he is right or wrong but I do know that he and his church is acting unethically. They should have left the SBC over this issue and instead now they are challenging that conference I suppose out of a misguided attempt to strong arm the smaller churches into their unorthodox beliefs.

[@gaudnorm]

I used to win a debate when in Bible School about 40 years ago defending the 'right' for women to preach and be pastors. Today, I deeply regret and bitterly repent. I now see the fruits of that foolishness...

[@motorTranz]

Thank you pastor Wilson for exposing this rubbish.

[@Gnmercjr76]

Tnx pas Doug I'm learning a lot from your ministry

[@jeremiah5319]

Love this. Tough subjects take strong men to address. Nicely done, Doug. Can't wait to see you address some of the tough questions Gary DeMar is exposing - questions most pastors have conveniently side-stepped in their pulpit deliveries over recent decades. I don't say this to mock you, Doug, but rather, to encourage you to do what many other pastors will continue to avoid doing. Let God be true... and let him bring truth and clarity to the church about all topics, including eschatology. :)

[@maggieprice357]

Even Russel Moore looks entirely unconvinced 😂

[@jimkuhn3500]

No not because of HOLY SCRIPTURE. Because he's always been WEAK in THE SCRIPTURES...NOW he's FULL BLOWN WOKE...Pray 4 him ....

[@archaic78]

The Bible is clear on this issue. The absolute word of God. No way to misinterpret this. 1 Timothy 2:12 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[@8784-l3b]

So how was Deborah the Judge, taught correctly and properly during the time of the Old Covenant? Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood of believers. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2

[@Justas399]

Culture did change Rick. Notice he doesn't he deal with I Timothy 3.

[@Wayfarerpilgrim]

Oh lands sake- Saddleback church spent a month saying goodbye to Rick and his wife like listening to “ happy trails “ for over a month. But anyway, Rick is not doing a lot of heavy lifting with his extra non biblical teachings on who can be a pastor.

[@davidrussell631]

Absolutely blows my mind how Rick Warren has had such a large following with such weak argumentation.

[@benjaminofperrin]

But it's what people want to hear. People will always follow others that tell them what they want to hear.

[@billh.5360]

David, yes it is sad.

[@robertlong8452]

Well said sir. Thank you

[@banemaler]

Russell Moore is such a rebel.

[@1969cmp]

Notice the nominations put forward to replace Judas wereboth men. The 'original 12' were all men.

[@commonsensei8423]

2:07 Now I am waiting for people to say that he is suggesting women are no smarter nor more capable than 10 year olds.

[@carolinaherreradeangulo6087]

Thank you for pointing that out. Based on the comments here I thought it was only me who noticed it 😒