Why Separatist Droid Armour Design was a Surprisingly Very High IQ Play

[@geetslys]

Billion IQ plays by the seppies. discord.gg/Geetslys

[@akumaking1]

There are a couple of short stories where a B1 went rogue.

[@r1cosito]

I am 100% sure that the cis could have won the clone wars if the sith weren't meddling and setting up there downfall on purposes. There were lots of instances of new tech or other things of strategic value the could have change the war that Palpatine purposely leaked or planned to destroy.

[@Mike-mf3ed]

With all the other types of droids being larger or stronger, unless these leaders were rich, the droid army would be expensive if you consider that.

[@r1cosito]

@@Mike-mf3ed when you look into the lore the cis was actually still making a profit.

[@r1cosito]

@Noble Master Of Noobs wdym

[@austinhobbesandjustin]

"Droids will always be inferior to organic soldiers" IG-88: *Sad beeping*

[@Gamerguy826]

Droidekas: am I a joke to you?

[@geetslys]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ryaquaza3offical]

I think that statement only really applies to certain droids tbh

[@anidiot2284]

Laughs in R2-D2

[@shadowwriter329]

*HK-47* Statement: I do believe I have been insulted. To say that I am inferior to any sort of meatbag is something I will have to amend. Inquiry: shall I demonstrate my superior capabilities? I have found the perfect meatbag to use as a target.

[@badgamemaster]

I remembers when Attack of the Clones released a friend of my dad called the droids army on of the scariest things in Star Wars, calling them a "living/walking" gun. That was before the Clone Wars turned the droids into comedy relief.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

they should make the droids more threatening in the upcoming bad batch series, mention that rex and the jedi have a warped perseption of the droids due to being/being around jedi most of the time they fight them. or release a CIS centric canon story (in either a game, movie or series) that at the very least builds them back up to movie standards (like actually useing cover)

[@superkamiguru6856]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 It was really Episode III that made them useless, but they weren't comic relief. TCW made them both useless AND comic relief. We also have to factor in that the OOMs were the scary ones, not the B1s.

[@B007-r1w]

Honestly, Episode 1's Droid Army, even with their death, was still pretty harrowing, just this giant, uncaring, coordinated massive army marching on. Made them look quite scary, and Episode 2 really well doubled down on that aspect

[@ezrafellowz]

@@B007-r1w In the Mandalorian, the super battle droids from the flashbacks are quite scary as well.

[@wolfieinu]

@@superkamiguru6856 It's a bit like, IRL we have movies about Nazis that make them out to be comic relief. That doesn't mean the actual Nazis were comic relief. I kind of view it that way. The "actual events" in the fictional universe are still how they are, regardless of the tone of any specific work. Comic tone or not, the idea of an autonomous gun scares the bejezus out of anyone even casually interested in firearms. Since a firearm is essentially a "click to delete human being" button, the amount of respect you as the user need to bring to the table is very high, and it's constantly emphasized to new shooters how dangerous it is to point it in an unsafe direction. Now imagine an entire army of the things constantly pointing themselves in unsafe directions.

[@Gamerguy826]

I still think that the Trade Federation/Confederate droid army was under appreciated by many. Droids have lots of advantages.

[@hib7295]

We Are *Clankers*

[@Archangelglenn]

The two biggest of those was 1. the overwhelming numbers of them, thus you could expend troops without thinking or counting the losses. 2. Because they are cheaply made, you could a lot of them in a very short amount of time. It takes the average soldier 6-8 weeks of training. With a droid you don't have that problem. Just make it, upload some combat protocals and bingo done. So yeah I can see why they went with it. Plus as has been pointed to in other videos, the CIS did not posses the kind of population that the Republic did nor the financial resources.

[@azure9809]

@@Archangelglenn Not only those points. But also, in having a droid army, for a large number of (the willing) citizens of the Confederacy, they themselves didn't feel pressured to send in their young soldiers to fight in the offensive parts of the war. That would boost morale to a large extent while making it so they had more troops to defend the home worlds and keep themselves entrenched. With reliable Droid reinforcements as well. Because they are endless. I think this was kind of a theme in the extended lore as well. Many of the normal peoples in the Confederacy didn't exactly know what kinds of unforgivable war crimes the droid army supposedly fighting on their behalf were committing. Palatine's control over both sides making the people of the future empire hate both the monstrously cold and endless droid army and the aliens who the people believe condoned the slaughters their army did.

[@overlorddante]

They're also better from a propaganda and moralistic perspective. You aren't sacrificing the lives of your citizens to fight a war. And a clone army is basically a bunch of slaves that are forced to fight and die with no choice in the matter. It's arguably deplorable and evil.

[@Noah-zz8uw]

Yes. The Droid army is hilariously underrated. It seems as though there have been many armies in the SW Universe that attempt to swarm with numbers, but I believe that the Droid Army does it best. B1s are very cheap, and numerous, B2s are somewhat cheap, very armored, bring more firepower, and are numerous, and the other, more specialized droids have a lot of fodder to protect them.

[@hib7295]

the gonk droid doesn't need a good design, his existence itself is a wound in the force

[@ratbat1072]

If anything breaches its armor, itll explode

[@LAV-III]

Ratbat 1986 taking the enemy with it

[@bombaholic1309]

Saeid Radder 200 IQ

[@geetslys]

The most dangerous character in Star Wars

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

Not the hero we deserved, but the gonk we needed

[@orion1210]

The Star Wars fanbase's ability to retroactively add miniscule details no one considered at all in the film's production is wild to me.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

actually the droid armour design is something found in orginal concept art notes, its more the concept artists liked to try and justify their styles through suido-engineering

[@orion1210]

That makes sense. I should have remembered from my creature design class that one comes up with the functionality before the design. Still though, I find it hard to believe most of the finer details in Star Wars lore was considered during the film making.

[@geetslys]

That’s why Star Wars is still relevant, the fan base keeps everything going even if nothing new is made

[@SobiTheRobot]

That's the greatest strength of this franchise: we come up with reasonable bullshit to justify details that are unnecessary to the story but explain confusing aspects of the setting. Like we don't learn what the blue milk is that Luke drank on Tatooine because it's irrelevant to the story, but it's a neat thing to flesh out. We don't really learn what jawas or tusken raiders are, just that they are somewhat adversarial. We don't learn the economic machinations that let the Empire justify the construction of two Death Stars, because that would bog down the pace of the film, and is better left to someone who wants to retroactively investigate the Imperial treasury and how Star Wars money works. Star Wars was basically designed for this kind of fan interaction; hell, I tried justifying Holdo's close range lightspeed maneuver in Episode VIII (and why they don't just make lightspeed missiles) days after seeing the film. The effect is strong.

[@Zorro9129]

It's amazing how the fanbase still manages to keep itself alive despite the best efforts of Disney to destroy it.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

Everyone says they are ‘inferior’ but there’s a lot of advantages of using battledroids besides just costs. Different models can fit vastly different roles and can surprise enemy forces when first released, allowing more tools to use tactically. Cannon fodder, anti air artillery, tanks, air support, special forces, super soldiers, flankers, theres practically a droid for every purpose. They can fight in toxic or no atmosphere environments without any need of modifications, with no need to retreat and change gear. There’s a surprising amount of things you can do with droids if commanded effectively which is something the likes of Grevious knew really well. I know you could argue a single droid is inferior to a single clone but that’s not even really that true in a lot of droid models

[@combinecommando001]

And if we're going on that, they're a dream for any logistician, no need for food, only power supplies to keep their batteries up which are MUCH easier to carry around and recharge should it become necessary. And if it comes to that, their numbers were also their strength, they don't shoot accurately but when you have 1000 blaster bolts shooting in all directions, it doesn't matter at all, something will hit.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the biggest advantages of droids over organics (and this is even stated in the lore and thus is not just speculation but canon), is that they don't have moral issues. in real life killing 10% of a unit will reduce its effectiveness by 80-90% due to moral effect. droids not haveing more will only be reduced in efffectiveness by 10% if you kill 10%. nor to they get really fatigued (they do have power saveing modes, but those can be turned off allowing an almost powerless droid to act at full effectiveness. while a tired organic is well tired)

[@joshuakim5240]

There's also the fact that the B1s had a specific purpose, and they fulfilled that purpose excellently: support backbones for the stronger droid models. Have a million of them blot out the sky with lasers while the much more advanced, expensive specialist droids do their thing behind a massive army of metal and lasers covering for them, able to sacrifice the cheap and expendable B1s for any tactic without any real cost to the army as a whole. The Clone Wars show doesn't show it (albeit does reference it), but the Republic was losing the war because the droids as inorganics may have been inferior fighters individually but their sheer lack of morality, values, and self-preservation made them terrifying to fight against since they never slowed down, retreated, or hesitated to destroy their own to get a tactical advantage. All while also ironically funny to talk with.

[@superkamiguru6856]

If Palpatine didn't influence things, then there's a chance the CIS could have won, especially in the early years when the Republic was being overrun. We know that thousands of Shinies came in per month, but even then the frontline clones took down a million droids just for a billion more to follow them. Canon numbers of droids range from the high billions to low trillions, and the Legends numbers put their number at the quintillions. Even if each clone had a K/D for 10;1 that still wouldn't make a difference. We know in 19 BBY there weren't more than 100 million clones canonically (My headcanon puts the clones at 500 million at the start and 1.5 billion by the end, as it makes more sense than a few million clones and a few thousand Jedi against quintillions of enemies.) Without Palpatine, the Clones would have lost just due to rapid CIS attacks.

[@blazethegryphon9990]

@darknessrasgriz We have rarely seen the CIS under Independent leadership, the few times we have we got Admiral Trench so I fully believe the CIS could produce good leadership without Sith interference.

[@LoneWolf20213]

The B2 is one of the most dangerous droids and the B1 was a good multi-purpose droid to fit any role, the BX commando was great as a special forces droid, and the Droidica was great for wiping out hordes of troops at a time

[@LoneWolf20213]

777Dubliner yeah

[@GreenLeafUponTheSky]

Porpoise droid?

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@GreenLeafUponTheSky They are allied with the dolphins, beware! Humanity first!!

[@geoffstemen3652]

@@GreenLeafUponTheSky *robotic chittering noises*

[@samueldimmock694]

Droidicas are also pretty good at killing Jedi, or at least tying them down so they can't do anything else.

[@quazar5017]

"How many troopers can you deploy?" "You mean in tonnes or cubic meter?"

[@christianfranco6912]

I wish they would make a live-action mini-series on Grievous' backstory or one for the Clone army

[@geetslys]

I would love that

[@xidemonslayerxi4510]

How do you not have more likes, they really should make a movie for grievous and/or about the view from the separatist side of things.

[@christianfranco6912]

@@geetslys I want to see it from when he was fully organic, saving his people, and ending when he brutally takes out that group of jedi and taking their lightsabers

[@rickyhernandez6234]

bro. Yes. Ive been thinking this since i first heard of the mandolorian

[@kingofspades1785]

But make it rated R then it would be absolutely amazing.

[@TheSecondVersion]

I just wish the droids fought more like machines instead of living soldiers. If they could network their brains, they can use the information of *other* droids in real time. Imagine a droid that's able to effortlessly point and shoot at an enemy *behind it* because *a different* droid in its squad spotted it first. (this tactic is already used in militaries, like in the M1 Abrams tank. A vehicle can rapidly point at a target that *another tank* in its platoon spotted first.)

[@grogmadman522]

Aye that would make them pretty scary And honestly they need it

[@sirblue5586]

That honestly wouldn't work because of plot armor. It would if there wasn't any plot armor.

[@blacesoldier7285]

Considering our relatively primitive technology, with the tactical AI we’ve developed for games and the targeting systems we’ve developed for weapons, I doubt that the droids in SW would have been as bad as the franchise makes them. IMO the republic should have lost.

[@theplaylistcollector2910]

Blacesoldier they would of if Darth Sithnut wasn’t playing both sides

[@inventor121]

I think the only reason they didn't do it that way is because Star wars information security is garbage. Like seriously the amount of times one faction or another hacks into the main computer is beyond ridiculous. Isolation of systems is one way to eliminate hacking attempts without being physically present at the location.

[@Pentekk_music]

advantages of the B1 battledroid: Does not need food or water, only a quick battery recharge after a long time of combat use Does not need any medical divisions. either the droid works or it is scrap. Does not need rest or sleep. units can march all day and be just as combat effective. Massed produced to overwhelm the enemy using the minimum cost for the maximum infantry firepower. Considering how quickly geonosis churned out battledroids, its safe to assume they are easy to repair or rather re manufacture from spare parts and scrapped droids. They are manufactured very quickly and easily. They are easily transported because they can curl up and take up less space, so dropships can carry that many more droids. Does not need atmosphere to be able to function. Is very predictable and will do exactly what you ordered it to. Thanks for reading this. if you made it this far you are a legend.

[@Predator20357]

They obey yes but saying very predictable is quite a problem, if they choose A or B then a person can easily find a way to counteract these predictable movements. Also they can easily be taken out by emp bombs, imagine your entire army becoming useless and dead weight because of a emp, organics can still easily fight on even with much difficulty. Forgot the exact clone group but they had their guns ineffective and proceeded to beat a droid army to death with bare hands. Although organics do need food and water, you can scavenge for it and will most likely last for about a week before complete failure while B1s from how frail they look can probably last 2-3 days without recharge if we are being very generous. with how exposed the B1 droids are, any desert or winter storm will tear them up or freeze them up so attrition on extreme planets will still be bad on them and their power plants. They were clearly made for defense as unless the CIS are bringing the machinery to do repairs and such, they might as well just abandon the broken ones and as you said, scrap them. The only advantages I find to be good is no need for a atmosphere and transportation. Overall they are what they seem, a mass produced army with less to maintain but falls victim to people thinking outside of their range of thought. A bot unless basically a specialized robot can never learn something else unless made to think about that one thing.

[@americanhero8606]

@@Predator20357 Your analysis is flawed. You're comparing the strengths/weaknesses of individual droids vs clone tech. The correct analysis looks at how the droid tech allows the CIS to play to its broader strengths in warfare. The endgame, the top-level strategy, was to overwhelm the enemy with much bigger numbers of troops, not to outpower the republic clones at the individual combat infantry level. As many episodes of TCW has proven, B1 droids easily perform just as well in a wide variety of climates and terrains. It is better to not need any nourishment than to have to invest ANY time and energy on "scavenging", which by its very nature is a crapshoot. If you know there's sufficient food and water, then it's not scavenging, just consuming. Again, that interruption would give CIS droid armies a huge time advantage in a battle. The uncertainties of fighting on new planets is something only clones and other organic armies have to fret about. Advantage to the CIS in their grand military strategy. Remember to think in terms of the "top level" grand strategy, instead of sticking to narrow "one on one" combat differences.

[@Predator20357]

American Hero If its only quality is being able to be deployed anywhere and a whole ton of them with less resources to need then eh, I guess they would work. Also has there been any times in Star Wars Cannon/Extended where Clones were defeated by having no food or water? Also there’s a whole ton of Clones when they showed up, less than Droids yes but still able to probably equal out the playing field. You can make all the droids you want but you can only bring so much. Clones are shown to also be quite smart being able to wipe out columns of droids just by using a single artillery cannon on a bridge. However you need much more complicated droids to even think of something like that. In grand strategy terms, Clones although higher cost, provide more advantages against droids and won’t die from a simple EMP that the only advantage I can see is that the droids can make more. Oh and I guess that there factories are able to be more spread out in the planets. (Also quick note, I refuse to believe something like a B1 Battle Droid wouldn’t be affected greatly by cold weather and such. They look way too skinny and frail, this reminds me the time when 2 droids basically got hit by a long range napalm cannon and were fine, should’ve cooked the wires and turn them to slag if they incinerated a clone. Star Wars logic I guess)

[@sebastianvdm]

Allegedly

[@Pentekk_music]

@@Predator20357 you missed the point of my comment. Sure B1s have disadvantages. sure a clone is a far superior soldier than a battle droid. I was simply listing every reason the CIS used them and the reasons that they benefited the CIS army style

[@zexalbrony4799]

You say there inferior to organic soldiers, but then you gotta remember how many characters of some importance the Battle Droids killed during the Clone Wars. We lost a lot of good named Clones to those Klankers, and even some named Jedi.

[@austinligid9626]

In terms of efficiency and battle knowledge organics (clones, jedi, ect.) Were superior to droids even including the super tactical droids. However there were downsides. Organics however took years to train where as droids were made with programming and AI that had them ready for battle once made. Droids were also cheap so there were entire planets dedicated to making them. So think of it like this. One clone can kill lets say 10 clankers. The clone army was made of 3 million clones plus some jedi. The seperatists basically had a next to infinite amount of droids.

[@maximumeffort7096]

Like who?

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@maximumeffort7096 99, O'Niner, Cut Up, Arc Trooper Havoc, Commander Thorn, Captain Keeli, Jedi Master Ima-Gun-Di, all those Jedi during the First Battle of Geonosis (Joclad Danva, Sta-Den Eekin, Lumas Etima, Sarrissa Jeng, Chankar Kim, Sar Laboooda, Ichi-Tan Micoda, Tan Yuster, just to name some). Also, even through he blew himself up, I think we can still kind of count Hevy, given how many shots he took, thus showing that the Battle Droids have a lot more kills and more actual hits with their blasters then StormTroopers (lol).

[@wise2872]

Cutup died to an eel not a droid

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@wise2872 Actually, I think it was Droidbait that died to the eel, while Cutup got shot by the Commandos, but I could be getting them mixed up.

[@mikevanroy9356]

"Who didn't give a Sith..." Well, yeah, because you only have 2 of them to start with.

[@christianfranco6912]

What would have the Clone army been like if another race have been chosen for example Trandoshans (purely speculative) or how would the droid army have turned out if Grievous had a his way in designing it from the beginning?

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

No one would like them

[@ethanworks9917]

Konstantine Katsoulis. Ha ha, you got jokes.

[@superkamiguru6856]

A Clone army of Wookies. Holy hell that's like doom for the droids.

[@kostakatsoulis2922]

@@superkamiguru6856 well there goes the limbs

[@trentlashbrook8412]

@@superkamiguru6856 Then every talk about the war would be about the droid attack on the wokies

[@mrexists5400]

5:07 Quantity has a quality of it's own

[@juggernaut7_]

**cough** T-34 **cough**

[@epikmatrixerix6644]

How is it that just about every one of geetsly's videos is so interesting to me? I may have some answers: The interesting topics no one really thinks about but is super fascinating once pointed out to you The editing of different pictures and how the camera gradually pans in uniformed directions His unique accent that isn't annoying and voice that isn't monotone His occasional witty remarks delivered in an almost dry but not awkward manner These are what I believe are the 4 primary factors that makes geetsly's content so enticing to watch.

[@geetslys]

All the videos aren’t repeated stuff. We try to be unique, the videos try to show the unknown things in the lore that most people don’t even consider

[@tklxyzng9930]

I agree, the amount of content so unknown makes the channel seem almost like a lie (it's a compliment!) I love it!

[@mr_confuse]

@@geetslys that really shows, unlike some other channels which do SW stuff =)

[@leandersearle5094]

An intro based on the original Battlefront's loading screen.

[@manasbora6122]

I agree I was watching generation tech but didn’t like it because the guys voice was kind of annoying for me. Geetsly in the other had a wonderful voice

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I still remember those ultra tough B2s in Republic Commando. They actually made the Droideka less scarier in the game for many of us "Delta Squadmates". To Vader with them.

[@gullyboydreamz50]

Still have nightmares of fixer trying to slice the console while we try and hold out from those SBDS!!!

[@mattsigl3211]

I think if the cis wasn’t designed to lose from the start they would have won the clone wars or at least drawn it on for a VERRRRYYYY long time

[@AsbestosMuffins]

that was the whole point, the CIS didn't have to win by conquest, just win by attrition, holding out key systems and just maintaining territory while occasionally striking where they can, so their battle droid army looks even better since it can stand around indefinerly on every rock between the core and the outer rim with logistics being an occasional freighter of new units, spare parts, and software updates the clones had the job of taking CIS territory

[@mattsigl3211]

PsychoLucario I think it would be cool to have a line of comics discussing an alternate reality where the clone wars started but was not orchestrated by sidious and just see exactly all the things he I fluenced (most likely more than we even know) and see a matchup between the cis and republic without his secret fleets and whatnot

[@Predator20357]

Matt Sigl I forget that Palpatine was the one who brought the Clones into this. However I don’t really know what the republic had before the clones

[@Kirhean]

@@Predator20357 Nothing really, the Republic didn't have a standing army as they had previously realized that they weren't facing any external threats. Hard to justify a serious armed force when you're the only civilization of note (officially) that anyone knows about. Planetary governments were expected to field their own forces for local policing of insurgencies and criminal operations such as smuggling/piracy. The Clone army was the first unified and dedicated military force the Republic had access to in a very long time. At least, one that was under the direct control of the Republic rather than individual systems under the jurisdiction of the Republic. It really wasn't the super centralized government we tend to think of. Rather, it was a loose federation with each system having fairly extensive power to self-govern and self-arm. More like the U.N. than the U.S., really.

[@Predator20357]

Kirhean that makes a lot more sense, thanks for explaining it.

[@nazgul4014]

Hey all, anyone seen a midget running around with a ring? My boss has lost it and is freaking out.

[@bluerobin2982]

Yeah hes somewhere with a midget group looking for a giant flaming melon thats not the sun

[@neopup1776]

I think I saw him with a group, headed towards some tower

[@willangel2745]

Try Hobbiton or Rivendell

[@nofvcejuno]

I think i saw lafy galadriel talking to them

[@rakushun121]

I saw one under a horse I believe he was trying to fix it cause a hose was leaking or some such

[@wafalme851]

Can you do a species vs’s comparing their military power, assets and more Like the Neimoidians vs Muuns

[@TitanMedic]

We need this. The lore possibilities

[@raininglogic]

What if the Confederacy had a half decent PR department... We'd be calling them the good guys.

[@Rapclone]

Only thing stopping people is grevious, dooku and all their war crimes

[@overlorddante]

"The Republic created an army of slaves, stripped away their free will and forces them to fight. We created an army of droids in the hopes of risking as few lives as possible in our fight for independence. Tell me, who sounds like the bad guys here?"

[@Buildnstack]

@@overlorddante what's sad is that even B1s seem to be sentient, meaning there isn't any real difference unless you make the argument that they generally aren't individual thinkers and that makes them less-than.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@Buildnstack there is a difference between sentience and sapience. B1s are not sapient, and arguebly not sentient, clones are both.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@@Rapclone canonically people like Tarkin committed war crimes, the comics and books both canon and legends stress that the republic military were just as ready to commit war crimes as the imperial military, save for the jedi (which sometimes were willing to commit war crimes too)

[@louderchowder9307]

Am i the only one that wants to know what credits are made from?!?!?!

[@siva4wotblitzhero531]

Obviously a Material/Digital Material

[@louderchowder9307]

But what material

[@Heidjdhwh]

SIVA 4 WOT Blitz Herobrinehunter04 shut up redditor

[@Heidjdhwh]

SIVA 4 WOT Blitz Herobrinehunter04 lol band kid

[@geetslys]

They’re made of money

[@chris_croissAnt]

Another advantage was the droid's profile. (compare the silhouette of the droid to a human) Being skeletal in structure the B-1 battledroid had less target area to shoot than your average meatbag.

[@The_Natalist]

Weld an armor plate on the chest and your good to go

[@EmergencyChannel]

“The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.” - Napoleon Bonaparte Historically food, hygiene and weapons/ammo have been the biggest factors in defeating an army. Rarely is an army completely destroyed, just their means to wage an effective war until they surrender. The droid army doesn’t have to worry about these problems.

[@Gebunator]

Robot army always has advantage over organics. -No training -No extended recovery from battle damages or risk of retirement, losing the investment of aforementioned training -No pay rolls -No food, oxygen, amneties. And the droids are quick to repair considering the magnetic joints and cheap to replace. Space is also biig place. Something wide-spanning like Trade Federation had no other feasible means than amass a droid army. Heck, Why outsmart or outplay your foe when you outgun them?

[@freedomloverusa3030]

The Droid Army is an Excellent Army, just having Organic Officers, and Organic Special Forces, would had make them Perfect. Having a Massive Droid Infantry, Droid tanks, also Artillery, WITH 1 or 2 Human/Organic Infantry Battalions per Battle Group, including one more Battalion of Special Forces, 50/50 of Humans and Commando Droids, would had been a very Complete and Efficient Army. The same with the Navy, but instead of Battles like WW1 in Space, with weapons and sensors capable of hit and destroy o ships at ridiculous long distances, with the technologies in Star Wars, there is much that can be done, but they have a Disturbing lack of imagination. A Mixed Force of Humans/ Organics, and Droid complement each other almost perfectly.

[@NinjatoBlade]

I believe the canonical reason was that by and large, people were generally very robophobic when it came to droids, due to several bad uprisings in the past. That and the seps were never actually losing (or almost ever even in danger of being so). Their objective as a movement wasn’t even the destruction of the Republic, as most worlds simply wanted succession . Tldr is that while I agree it would have been a more effective army, the one they had was more perfect because it was 100% disposable and more suited to simply existing to be a threat, rather than a logistical nightmare that including organics can be

[@osmacar5331]

Careful, you're getting logical and sound of thought

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

i agree with mixed forces, but special forces only need to be about 25% organic (haveing 4 'man' fireteams consisting of 1 organic commando and 3 commando droids

[@osmacar5331]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 no, you miss the point of special forces, they have the gear they need, if a robot is needed they have, if not no

[@Invizive]

Droid commanders were actually better than their organic superiors, but their decisions were often overriden because of inflated egos above.

[@supertacticaldroid1751]

Very accurate summary but you forgot something ROGER ROGER

[@geetslys]

Roger Roger

[@FlareShift]

Roger Roger

[@bongbingbingbong9090]

Roger roger

[@xxwoodenswordxx3488]

Roger Roger

[@nethersteel341]

Roger Roger

[@beastwarsFTW]

B1s also can fit in most overhead compartments, you could fit 4 B1s in a space that only fits 1 trooper.

[@kennylee6499]

Ah, but you forget, some special droids were individual thinkers

[@YHLGguitargeek]

Roger roger

[@liamburgess]

You must be new here, your train of thought will make a fine addition to my collection

[@willangel2745]

RoGEr RogER

[@PashaGamingYT]

@Joaquin Perez Roger Roger

[@geetslys]

Roger roger

[@mikkelnpetersen]

"Why make 1 good expensive droid, when you can make 100 cheap ones in half the time, that can easily be salvaged and refurbished"

[@FondlesHandles]

To quote Stalin: Quantity has a quality all its own.

[@proudtitanicdenier4300]

fake quote fyi

[@krzysztofys2100]

IT was a Lenins quote

[@proudtitanicdenier4300]

@@krzysztofys2100 no it wasn't. It was a quote by Thomas A. Callaghan Jr.

[@Feu2032]

@@proudtitanicdenier4300 He was joking

[@proudtitanicdenier4300]

@@Feu2032 shutup

[@FishyDaGamer]

“Generally just keep the dust away” Ad: “swifter duster to reach hard to reach places” lol

[@cmdrratzass7305]

Well, if you want to overrun whole planets, first and foremost you need a vast number of soldiers, regardless of their individual strength. Once the number is high enough, and replacement is not an issue, the individual strength becomes unimportant, so going with the cheap disposable option is just the logical consequence.

[@sebbes333]

The droid army would have been an overwhelming force for almost any opponent, including the Republic... if it wasn't for the Republics ability to pull out a huge clone army out of their ass, an army that not even they THEMSELVES knew they had at the time!

[@videocrowsnest5251]

4:42 - I am most curious about the separatist council member in the bottom middle part of the screen, and the corporation they represent. They must represent the mega-corporation Roger industries, which was responsible for supplying the CIS with all their needed Rogers, which is a most vital thing to have when waging any war. The Empire clearly never managed to acquire their Roger technology, due to most likely sabotage on their own part to keep the Rogers out of the Empires hands. To that I can only say: Roger Roger.

[@Proviso3]

Roger roger

[@CeroSect]

roger roger

[@Feu2032]

Roger roger

[@EliteWarrior1026]

Roger Roger.

[@Zorro9129]

Fascinating analysis of droid soldiers! It's a unique aspect of the Star Wars universe that droid technology did not become more effective over time. I recall in Legends there was an ancient robotic army that single-handedly turned the tide of a war.

[@Bad_At_Everything]

CIS Commander: *checks discord on his iphone* Droid guarding him: “Woah you can chat with organics?”

[@HazopGaze]

I just remember playing Republic Commando where a few B1s could pop your shields and strip your health in shockingly short order. Even down to the most basic droid, SWRC had the CIS army at a relatively scary level. It got worse when they were in larger numbers...

[@stardust8464]

I like how the B1 battle droids head from the resistance series almost looks the same way as the clone wars series

[@sasir2013]

I always loved the droids. Their designs are cool, and there is something pretty elegant about not wasting lives on the battlefield too (and it helps with citizens morale)

[@ZonarohGaming]

As much as the CIS is my favorite faction I still feel like they could have made better droids not in their design but at least in their programming, like allowing them to duck and find cover. Maybe if they gave them sensors and stuff that didn’t rely on strict visual sensors they could have reasonably made every B1 equivalent to one or more clones, with the added bonus of mass production and no training needed. They surely still could have gone with “All or nothing” for armor and stuff or even had them self destruct if the brain changed in any way but adding better programming I feel would have made the CIS infinitely better with army troops. Their Navy was OP tho they did that amazingly well IMO.

[@FoxhoundAK74]

Armoring the head and brain to protect it would also be a good idea if you want the unit to transmit battlefield data. If it's hit in the torso and the brain can still transmit "Spotted Clone troopers ahead" to the Commanders, or if the head can be recovered and the logs of the droid's visual sensors could be analyzed to discover new enemy tricks, that would be very useful.

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Just make androids like the yorha series. And you got a winner.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, a NieR Automata fan.

[@osmacar5331]

Slight issue there, you need to spend at least 300,000Cr on the model 2 type B ass alone, one android of that make would be well over 69 million credits XD

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

@@osmacar5331 it's worth it though, no? :3

[@osmacar5331]

@@Hinokassaudifan1 oh i never said it wasn't, just stating prices

[@JO-iv7tl]

I always thought of droids as a similar functional construction similar to a pop can. Strong enough to get the job done, but no compromises to slow the assembly line.

[@Fen_Wolf]

Personally love The Clone Wars era and I always loved the Droid army in particular

[@TheMaberino]

Their biggest advantage in my mind was their ability to fold up and be stored easily. Makes transportation easier.

[@thesecondromuluan8216]

"But please know it's all true....from a certain point of view."

[@bunksrevenge4489]

The lore in this video is great, and gives additional strength to my own head canon. Here's my rationale: I always figured the CIS design specs were masterminded by Palpatine: make enough to lengthen the war as required, don't make them capable enough to defeat the republic. Then the republic occupation of the independent galaxy is easy to rationalise to outsiders, and time can be used as a weapon for the vindication of a united galaxy/galactic republic. TLDR: Make it look like no one will win, while manipulating built-in redundancies to BOTH sides, to allow for: A) total occupation, and B) total purge of the Jedi. A nice addition to this interpretation is that Palpatine could predict everything, including the corruption of Anakin Skywalker, but he couldn't foresee that Darth Vader would manifest as The Chosen One, and kill him. Ironic. That he could predict the deaths of so many, yet not his own.

[@indianajones4321]

We must get the starships back into space

[@nobleman9393]

Yoda: No.

[@timberwolf1575]

Being droids with reduced logistical needs (food, water, air, etc.) opens up more strategic opportunities as well as simplifying deployment. They can easily garrison airless/hostile planets, they can be infinitely patient just waiting in deep space, covert insertions are easier, etc.

[@johnpatz8395]

This is actually why I’ve long said Palpatine was an idiot to do away with them. Some of 5he models, could have been especially helpful across the empire. For example, consider say a small research outpost with maybe 60 stormtroopers securing it. B2s could have been used inside for security at positions such as the armory, vehicle bay and command center, and anywhere else you wanted to limit the civilian workers, researchers or whoever from. Additionally, by stocking say 50 B2s, 20 droidikas and maybe even 2-4 droid gunships, if the outpost is attacked, by rebels, pirates or whoever with the press of a button you could more than double the defensive/offensive firepower available to protect the base and wipe out the forces attacking. The best part being that the attackers could have watched your base from a distance for a month, and while they would know you had a handful of B2s for security, and roughly how many stormtroopers there are, but they likely wouldn’t know about the large reserve force of droids ready to be activated by the push of a single button. Additionally, if the base had a potential risk if attack from the air, but not likely enough to dedicate tie fighters and pilots to the base, only to have them sit around with nothing to do year round, you just load a small hanger with 6-12 tri-droid fighters, that are armed and charged, and against can be put 8nto action by pressing a single button. It just makes so much more sense than stationing say a dozen pilots and 4-8 tie fighters there, instead of keeping them on ships and/or larger bases were fighter sorties will be regularly needed, be it for safety & security, scouting or intercepting incoming enemy vessels. IMO There are go so many situation that combat droids could be a massive boost that not using them at least in same cases is outright incompetence and negligent. I’ve said the same thing about the Rebels, although at least in their case it could be that they couldn’t get enough of them to even bother with. But for example, a few droid gunships could have worked wonders at Hoth, especially if programmed with the vulnerability of various walkers. And even a platoon of B1’s might have been able to keep imperial forces from advancing into the base for long enough for a few more people, or a couple more ships, to get away.

[@arcreaper6098]

Also the droids were very slim and made it very difficult to actually hit them. Not counting the mcs plot aim.

[@Tacospaceman]

0:34 threw me straight back to my child hood and beat me up with a Jetpack trooper. Thanks

[@joelbibeault1169]

"Didn't give a sith" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780]

is sith the new shit

[@hewhoplugwalks]

Battle droids also seem to be shaped in a way that gives them a slimmer silhouette than their clone counterparts. Thid would make them harder to hit, even with trained soldiers. The smaller the target, the more you have to adjust aim and make sure your shot connects. They also have one fear factor that comes from their strength in numbers. Similar to a horde of mindless zombies, theres something terrifying about a wave of unrelenting murder machines, spanning further than the eye can see. They feel no pain, no fear. Their sole purpose is to kill their enemy.

[@antisimptrooper4635]

They will still be loved even with all those unnecessary flaws

[@XiaoMingXing]

Geetslys: Praises designer for good foresight and armor design. Designer who literally just made something they thought looked cool: *nervous sweating*

[@vernalhook82346]

Galaxy brain, tbh idk why I’ve never thought of this

[@sotheofdaein]

Another thing I noticed is that less armor gives the B1s a much smaller center of mass. In theory they'd be harder to hit than a clone trooper.

[@The_Natalist]

Then armor that center of mass and consolidate all vitals (except brain because video related lore reasons) behind it and you have on tough target

[@sebchristensen2164]

I’ve always thought about how incredibly well the separatists droids were made, they couldn’t be harder to hit than that, they are so thin and the B2’s were pretty broken too with the increased armor was super useful they and were pretty intimidating, I feel like the separatist could’ve easily won that war, especially seeing how badly they fxcked the Jedi up in AOTC, they just had way better technology

[@The_Natalist]

Their fighters are the same way. The front and rear view of a vulture droid is basically just a line lol

[@eddieb5452]

It is incredibly surprising that nobody in Star Wars does the same thing for the bridges of their battle ships.

[@MRMONKEYPUNCH]

A video on B1 BOYS! RODGER RODGER IM IN!

[@BritishGandalf]

Geetsly: From my point of view the droids are effective. Me: WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST!

[@an0rangutan]

"Surprisingly high IQ" What's actually surprising is why anyone would say it's surprising how intelligent the CIS is in every facet. Though, TCW does a fine job of making the CIS look like a bunch if idiotic, cowardly clowns, so I guess it really isn't that surprising. The CIS gets no respect, if not for Palpatine's constant meddling, the CIS would've easily won the Clone Wars, weird how quickly people forget that because of how much they love their Jedi and Clones.

[@enderdrone6432]

My mind is just blown... literally, I just thought the Separatist Council were being greedy, but there so many details that many use missed we didn’t even consider on the films, and the shows we watch makes so much sense. I wonder where did you get those information from.

[@thatguybrody4819]

so the trade federation went full on russian/japanese and just said get them out and keep them coming. if we can constantly send out more than they can we win.

[@skree272]

I think the reason the writers wanted to make the droid army basically a giant suicide charging force (because they use masses of infantry from my memory) was to get in on warhammer 40,000's representation of a planet scale invasion, where the battles took months to years to actually complete, idk im just saying

[@philipamador5480]

not to be political or anything but what’s wtf is C H E E S E

[@Hydra-yq7le]

Our Lord and savior

[@marsar1775]

@@Hydra-yq7le all hail the wheel

[@louderchowder9307]

C H E E S E

[@vistaredgt]

@@Hydra-yq7le may Cheeseus be with you

[@kirknay]

Cheese is a style of tactics that utilizes a minor quirk in the lineups of your and the enemy's forces, and abuses the frack out of it. See starter zerg rush and cannon rush of Starcraft.

[@moc-tv-reviews2520]

Imagine if the rebels found a droid factory and made billions of droids

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate OBVIOUSLY has the highest IQ.

[@cheatsykoopa98]

not yet

[@luckysix1015]

Star Wars adventures #19 by idw has a story that gave a perfect example for why trade federation definitely had reason to be concerned about B1’s getting minor droid brain damage.

[@tdtv2855]

They should stop calling them clankas and call em tankas. Get hahahah!

[@isaacmason3939]

Are you American

[@tdtv2855]

Isaac Mason Why do you ask.

[@isaacmason3939]

@@tdtv2855 it's just really surface level humour

[@josephdoria5237]

I always liked the idea of the CIS and Republic armies having almost totally different mentalities when it comes to the quality vs quantity debate. On the one hand, you have amazing displays of heroism and ingenuity by the clone army, whose superior training, intelligence, armament, and armor help them to destroy dozens of droids in firefights and even pull of Hail-Mary plays like blowing up entire droid battleships. On the other hand, you have the cold logic of the droid army, whose sheer numbers methodically overwhelm superior clone armies time and time again, no matter the casualties they receive in turn.

[@Gaster_021]

Really the droids had such potential to truly show just how terrifying of an army they could have been had the Clone Wars and episode 3 not turned into jokes.

[@justyouraveragehuman4069]

Well as Joseph Stalin said “quantity has a quality all of its own” .

[@forgrim454]

This makes me wish I knew how stellaris droids were armored considering how they easily outmatch normal people even beings who are genetically more powerful in combat

[@julius9943]

honestly the CIS should have gone all the way with the swarm tactic and just made walking blasters, turning it to a army. insentient walking guns no bigger then your arm with spider legs to maneuver and jump around to avoid blaster fire because why worry about durability when you can just avoid shots, maybe have some way to slightly drift blaster fire away so only direct shots can take one out or large explosives which in that case they're wasting it on the mook droids, opening them up to more of the CIS's stronger stuff.

[@lordilluminati5836]

The problem is that shooting at gun spiders does not look nearly as cool as shooting droids

[@julius9943]

@@lordilluminati5836 fair enough

[@corpsemachine6949]

*in donald trump voice* sounds good, doesn't work

[@corpsemachine6949]

Or maybe it would

[@Erenzilable]

Or levitating guns with targeting and cameras and a hivemind connected to small mothership that has cloaking tech and maybe an operator inside

[@SlavicusVile]

00:32 I set this as my ringtone, I thought someone was caling me at 4 am

[@captaindc3889]

Storm troopers and B1 battle droids are quantity over quality

[@samdalseide5060]

Infamously, a clone punched a B1 in the face. His hand was badly wounded, but the droid barely even moved. Even the skeletal B1s were more durable than clones.

[@DrakoWulf]

It's interesting to me how internet language has forced people to make titles like "Why Separatist Droid Armour Design was a Surprisingly Very High IQ Play", rather than "How Separatist Droid Armour was Designed Very Cleverly". This isn't a jab at the video or its creator, both of which I like. It's simply an observation.

[@nicholasmolitz8543]

This whole video felt like you had a 10 page paper to write, but only managed to complete 3 pages.

[@ethanfreeman9831]

Geetsly the epic memer

[@francissellerdude]

"Didn't give a Sith..." good one 😂😂

[@Xaytan]

Not really against conventional wisdom at all. It's a long standing fact of warfare that cheap, plentiful and 'Good Enough' beats expensive and highly effective. It's the reason why 10 peasants with cheap, unreliable, wildly innaccurate firearms originally overtook professional soldiers wearing expensive armor said guns couldn't even really penetrate yet. Accuracy isn't even vastly important. If a droid can hit a man-sized target at reasonable distances with its targeting systems then that's all you really need for fire-and-manuever tactics. The CIS would have won against a conventional organic army, which would have attritioned far faster and had a far greater emotional impact on the civilian populace.

[@mardy3732]

They always find such clever and elaborate ways to explain plot convenience.

[@THEASSASSINNATER]

*sw fanbase* "the droids had shit armor" *geetsly* "from my point of view they had great armor"

[@theclone2155]

Palpatine was actually playing 4D Chess with time travel, thank you very much.

[@chengzhou8711]

“In my earlier days one of my battlefield activities was to survey battlefields after the action for intact droid brains. It was a dangerous job, especially when we find the reinforcements! Anyway, the brains were fragile but had a section for their set patrol paths and specific Combat algorithms, which, was really good for the effort to stay up to with the separatists’ technology and tactics. I can tell you firsthand that it was not a fun job, although I reaffirm it was vital for our intelligence effort.” -CS/CT-8711-12, “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

fanon or from a book/comic?

[@chengzhou8711]

Lord Solar Matthius Fannon

[@cedricsturm5131]

When he said "Feel free to post your thoughts in the comments below" that felt really genuine. I don't even think he's doing it, because he wants publicity. Wow, how easy the human mind can be tricked.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

disagree about B1s being inferior to organic soldiers in almost everyway, in episode 1 we are outright told they are supior to the Naboo guards. and they are consistently shown to be stronger than organics in physical strength, and its canon that they don't suffer from moral like even clones do. thats already 2 major advantages over organics. then we have the fact they are cheaper and more expendable (makeing the objectively best strategy [in terms of short term effectivenss] of attrition warfare even more viable [especially long term]) another 2 major advantages over organics. aditionally them being flimisy is in comparison to other droids, we are shown both in the movies and in the clone wars TV series serving things that would kill organics and shrugging off melee attacks that would be not as easily ignored by organics, another advantage. (so 4/5 advantages already, 2 of them very important), we are then shown in canon comics that they are faster and more agile than humans (which makes their tv show slow walk even more annoying compaired to the movie runs) and they use cover in the movies. so B1s don't have a sole advantage but *6 advantages* the only things they are inferior is accuracy compaired to other droids and clones, some sources give them slower reaction times than organics (but some say they are faster, so this is inconsistant) and being 'dumb'. this is not inferior in everyway, and re-programed and improved B1 varients don't have these weaknesses, so not all B1s were inferior to organics at all.

[@twiggins597]

"Not like us we're independent thinkers." "Roger, roger", "Roger, roger", "Roger, roger", "Roger, roger". 🤣🤣🤣🤣 gets me everytime

[@gamer_people5915]

first

[@isaacmason3939]

Nice work

[@Akranejames]

I always thought that the B1 was simply the "quantity" answer to whether quantity or quality is more valuable, and that spare parts made armor a bit redundant if the spare parts were more practical. Plus, I always figured armies of it should have won under most circumstances for similar reasons to why the Soviets won against Germany.

[@chaosXP3RT]

The droids in the Clone Wars were comedic relief, but in reality, semi-autonmous droid or drone is actually very useful and smart to have

[@Gomace]

I have loved Star Wars since as long as I can remember, growing up with the prequels, but not until today did I understand that the Super Battle Droids had normal droid heads smooshed down on their torso.

[@DouglasThompson]

Did you see that c3po head on on of the battle droids? Lol 6:50

[@wolfleader17]

You made a small mention of logistics, which imo was one of the larger advantages the CIS had in the war at large. Droids could be produced, shipped, and stationed in large numbers without the need for food, life support, or morale boosts. They would essentially only need power and repairs, though we know the latter was cheaped out on. They could be packed away until needed, which would allow for much more freedom in ambush or reinforcement operations. Also, the smaller skeletal frame of a b1 would have been a boon had they been made to move at speed and been able to evade fire. Good stuff.

[@hadson2460]

New on this channel, but I MUST stop the video and comment about that Battlefront 1 (classic) "launch" intro. Sir, you just made my day

[@cryptocorynes1253]

*battle droid leg gets shot off* Trade Federation: it's not a bug it's a feature!