Why Storm STOPPED Using Polish! | Fast 4K Finish | Bowling Surface Comparison

Storm has recently changed their surfacing finish on certain pearl bowling balls. How is this new 4K Fast finish compared to the original 1500 Polish? Jungo is back, testing the RST X2 with both surfaces, with an extra 1500 finish for comparison!
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COMMENT: What are your thoughts on the new 4K Fast Finish?

[@joshg218]

This wasnt 4K fast. You need to properly put the teeth under the 4K for it to have traction in the back of the lane. You turned it into a neutered 1500grit surface ball so it was too early but not smooth enough in the back end to get that quick traction.

[@clowny2396]

I don't have a spinner; however, I took several pads from 360 to 4000 grit to my Hy-Road by hand and the last two were wet. Used the ball on my next outing for a few frames. Wasn't impressed. Took a 3000 grit pad to it and tried it out again. Whoa! Nice mid-lane reaction and finish. Lots more miss room. Liked it...

[@douglaskonas2852]

Yeah was gonna comment that hitting a polished ball with 4k is NOT the same as 4k fast. That polish is still in the pores.

[@jefftennant218]

I don’t like that they went away with the polish. I don’t believe that has anything to do with them being too soft. I don’t think it’ll stop being from buying storm balls. People can try it at 4000 and if they don’t like it they can always take it to 1500 polished.

[@douglaskonas2852]

@@jefftennant218 Storm released a vid showing how the polish on their balls was effecting the needle on the durometer. So while it does not make the ball softer, it effects the measuring device used to test hardness.

[@soobie23]

​Fast 4K is not simply 4K. need to take to 360, then 1K, 2K, 4K. There is a video on Storm's site.

[@pokiis3108]

may as well call that slow 4k

[@teddybruckshot1188]

@@pokiis3108 the “fast” part is supposed to refer to the transition of the ball but I agree it’s clearly confusing - even to pro shop owners!

[@soobie23]

@@caribbeanobsidian9119 corrected.

[@shanewright3860]

This is incorrect. You can take a 4k tru cut pad and hit it dry or wet and get that 4k. Im a staffer for CTD and they make great products. Or youtube CTDs youtube page and see the video for yourself.

[@wabbit1699]

4k fast means that they go from 500 to 4k without skipping a pad, so 500-1000-2000-3000-4000. As for what i think about it, I haven't tried one with that specific surface. Generally I have always done my own polish job with Step Two so that I can reproduce it compared to what SPI used to put on the ball. That said, if it shuts USBC up, then I'm all for it.

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

Actually I think they said to start all the way down at 360.

[@collinbrummund5925]

They do start with a 360

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right. The process starts from using a 360-grit pad. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit. Here’s Storm’s video explaining 4K Fast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs The finishing process is mentioned from minutes 1:18-1:25 and again from 7:00-7:18. When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps. Storm's 4000-grit finish goes from: 500-->2000-->4000 Storm’s 4K Fast goes from: 360-->500-->1000-->2000-->4000.. (again, no 3000).

[@Dainslaif]

Yeah, they call it "fast" because when it hits the dry, it changes direction "faster" than their normal 4000 ball finish (IE; more angular) due to being a bit more polished as a result of the full procession of grits.

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

@@Dainslaif Interesting.

[@teddybruckshot1188]

Super helpful. I hadn’t been paying attention - got my new soul last week and wondered why everyone on KZbin had twice the shine!

[@prestonkovarsky4972]

I just bought the RSTX2 to add a big asym pearl to my bag and it came with the 4K fast finish. I love this ball. I can use it all night during league with no problems and only have to move a few to the left. Favorite ball in my bag. Considering buying another just to store it

[@BigJim5754]

I have the Alert which I liked and I had my shop do the Storm instructed full 4K fast 5 step process from 360 pad to 4000 and I like it even more. Its a subtle difference but makes the ball a tad smoother and almost makes the ball more versatile from the fresh to alil later in the blocks then the polish.

[@josephcalderoni5792]

I love the look of 1500 polish. So I will still sometimes ask my pro shop operator to polish my Zen, Phaze 4, and Hyped Pearl on the spinner! Looks clean and sharp coming out of the bag, and gives me confidence. Oh BTW, it's also nice to see bright lighting and close-ups on Jungo once again, like vids from a couple years ago. Lucky 9 looks great that way too. Cheerful looking!

[@earthwormjim7310]

I have a black widow 2.0 that I tried the 4K fast with and I did like it. Cleaner than the box finish and still controlled strong down lane finish.

[@lumberlikwidator8863]

Slow ball speed here, having trouble on the wet/dry patterns on synthetic lanes. Just took my Roto-Grip Hustle Hybrid down 1500-2000-3000-4000. Looking for more room right and left of target. Can't wait to give it a try next week.

[@robertkaczynski8649]

RST X-2 was not banned but the UFO Alert was. That being said my son replaced his UFO Alert with the RST X-2 with 4K Fast and loves it for both sport and house shots. Note it was drilled as strong as possible to come close to what his UFO Alert did (2 handed righty)

[@richardgandia5700]

What a great video I have to say thank you for your understanding of the new finish process. I have the new Zen Soul 4k but I just don’t understand what it wants to do. I have made numerous moves to get the ball to give me something to work with but all I continue to get is over/under from the same spot. Move and get more of the same. Any suggestions?

[@notonyourlife7939]

Why no more polish? I'll take "Because they got tired of being the USBC's whipping boy" for $200, Alex...

[@Matt_Holcomb]

Me as Alex.. "In 2022 what bowling ball company was repeatedly harassed during the USBC Nationals?"

[@remoevans7847]

I’ll take unfounded conspiracy theories for $500

[@caseymaxted6279]

I haven’t had a ball with 4k fast but in the shop I have noticed a few balls come in and they are really dull. Then the next week, the same type of ball comes in and it’s shinier out of box. I have a feeling there will be some inconsistencies in the 4k fast finish. I do hit my pearl balls with some surface to begin with so I think I’ll like the 4k fast.

[@Juan2btall]

It’s pretty nice I have a Dark Code with the 4K fast finish. I like it so far 👍

[@xenogears5177]

Good stuff guys. I just wish you would've taken two separate balls with factory 1500 grit polished and factory 4k Fast (not just sand it yourselves) to compare the two balls.

[@anthonydorazio9650]

That's exactly what I thought. 👍

[@nobobypartiallyimportant1142]

I stopped using polish on everything but my spare ball and even then, it is for looks. Being a mostly rev-dominant player, I frequently use a 3000 pad on my symmetrical solid balls as a psuedo-polish

[@jeremysmallwood8631]

x1 and x2 are my go to first out of the bag currently

[@sswolfhunter9967]

The 4k fast finish is pretty good and do u have keep your bowling ball polish if u had to

[@zVask]

1500 polish is by far my favorite polish, looks like all the new pearls I buy from storm Im gonna have to change the surface to 1500 polish

[@anthonydorazio9650]

Hey Vask I'm with you I got two Zens,Axiom Pearl,Phase 4,Altered Reality. Mine are polished after every use. I picked up my Zen Soul Friday and as my guy was drilling it I said got any 4 k fast he did uc2 dude not even close to 1500 polish.

[@deliafg]

Here to watch the video as instructed by my BH

[@mireally]

Have you tried using the CTD P5000D grit pad on this ball and then seeing what kind of reaction you get?

[@user-cy1ei7kf1i]

I have a rstx2 but it's to sharp off the pattern and uncontrollable do u think 1500 without polish works for me we both stand in the same spot and the revs are just the same

[@eddyyoder457]

I just got a ball with storm reactagloss finish and I'm not sure how I feel about it yet it's my first time with a ball like that 😊

[@markgarrison6035]

I just purchased the zen at nationals and left it at the 4K finish big mistake for me in singles and doubles I could not get the ball to get through the heads I will differently be taking it back to polish

[@butchcoolidge3261]

I’ve been hand applying compound on my pearls for a couple years with good results. I know Radical used it on some of their balls. I prefer it to polish, and it seems to last longer. I’d like to see you guys try it, and give your opinion. Thanks

[@JiuJitsuWrestlingStriking]

My rhino from brunswick came with compound and polish and its definitely all worn through. When my pyb star and orbit spinner kit for 3/8's drills comes in this week I'm going to completely resurface to same grit then compound and polish. Should be a completely fresh ball again but with my current technique I cant wait.

[@butchcoolidge3261]

@@JiuJitsuWrestlingStriking Maybe try compound first and see if you like the reaction? It will be super tacky and shiny. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the reaction.

[@willjames6437]

Was Barks at the Arlington PBA Finals event in Washington State? I swore I saw him standing in the background standing up during Dom Barrett’s matches.

[@ryanreid5859]

Yes he was

[@BowlChad]

Jungo's back!

[@user-cy1ei7kf1i]

I have a rstx2 but its uncontrollable do u think putting the 1500 no polish will work cause i throw the same way u do my ball is to sharp off the spot and hooks violently on the back and runs on the nose everytime

[@brianf7405]

Odd question but where did you get that jacket that Ryan is wearing in the intro part? We’ve been looking for those types of jackets for our coaching staff for high school bowling during the winter…thanks in advance!

[@jrproshop]

just our local shop one of our league bowlers owns. look up storm tech

[@squiggy102]

how do you do this comparison without looking up what fast 4k means

[@squiggy102]

its not just at 4k its going up 1k 2k 4k in a row so there is a more consistent cover. doing it this way will get you much closer to the polish than just knocking of the shine with a 4k spin

[@pokiis3108]

@@squiggy102 no a 4k slap will get you closer to polish, r u trolling?

[@allenthomas914]

Can I sand my pearl polished ball do I need to do it dry or wet?

[@kilbane6387]

So I’m seeing different answers. Do you start with 360 or 500 or 1000 grit?

[@scottythompson940]

Cool video talk tech bowling Jr pro shop

[@Reece634]

Talk tech technically talk bowling ball techs techy talk bowling talk about tech technology talk tell me about talk tech

[@neilkaplan1433]

I'm about to buy the RST X-3 with 4k fast

[@enigmazero8624]

From what I can tell, 4K Fast essentially means 4K without skipping any grits on the way up. Seriously. That’s what Storm says. That’s how I’ve been sanding balls for 20 years and i always just called that 4000 grit. So I guess that means “regular” 4000 grit is actually “4K Lazy” 🤷‍♂️

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit. Here’s Storm’s video explaining 4K Fast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs The finishing process is mentioned from minutes 1:18-1:25 and again from 7:00-7:18. When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps. Storm's 4000-grit finish goes from: 500-->2000-->4000 Storm's 4K Fast goes from: 360-->500-->1000-->2000-->4000.. (again, no 3000).

[@enigmazero8624]

That makes it seem even more ridiculous. How much different could the actual final surface value possibly be between “regular” 4000, 4K Fast, and my interpretation of “real 4000” which includes the 3000 step?

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

@@enigmazero8624 Maybe not as big of a difference, right? But at least you'd potential save a pad.

[@krazekilla224]

4K Fast, according to the storm video is sanding 360, 500, 1,000, 2,000, 4,000. The term FAST is used to describe the transition of the ball, meaning is a fast or quick transition. The explanation comes in around 8 minutes of this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs

[@skalamaz3]

I find this hard to believe that's why they were banned but ok maybe true. My Electrify pearl is 4k sanded and the solid which was banned is polished I believe.

[@angelasanford4505]

my new ZEN was 4k fast and it was to much for me so we took it to 2k and its way more managable now

[@donkeydiehard879]

Box finish got ridiculous with polish. Was clearly more for shelve appeal than for good ball reaction. I always broke the polish and/or put my own surface on it. Think balls like the Zen and altered will still be better on house with polish. After trying many different combinations, I find that 500, 1000 and power house polish is the best way to go for polish.

[@joeanderson9267]

I use CTD pads 5000pd and their polish.

[@jeroldserrell9746]

I went 1000 grit then step 2 on my Wolverine Dark Moss and my Infinite Physix

[@bobgomavitz1330]

True 4K Fast is a 5 step process as per storm, not just hitting it was a 4K pad. I’m early into the vid so maybe this is talked about later on

[@BigJim5754]

same thought, full process is def different from just a 4000 hit

[@Brent-Tanabe]

I think you got the wrong ball pic in the banned balls part. The X2 wasn't banned. The UFO Alert one of my favorites was the one banned.

[@jasonsmith3537]

Please don't say "moist" while I'm eating and watching thank you.... kidding. I may do up all mine to 4k fast actually. Thanks for the vid guys.

[@dfresh933]

Wondering if they did any testing to see if maybe the Storm polish is causing a softening chemical reaction to some of their cover stocks. That's the reason for fast 4k.

[@jrproshop]

yes

[@dfresh933]

@@jrproshop So you can shine a ball, probebly make sure at some point to remove the polish and not let it set into the ball for long period of time.

[@jacobbonesteel8061]

Does it hurt the ball to change the surface like that? Since it seems like you’re sanding the ball, I feel like after a while you’re going to run out of surface.

[@fiveboardstotheleft-bowlin2683]

It's a common practice to resurface balls to achieve different reactions on different oil patterns. Eventually the balls get old and lose their bite or you find a ball that matches your game better and move on from the old ball.

[@thatloudCG5]

I liked the shine better. I tend to do stupid stuff with polished finishes like idk, 360 grit then shine it. It works though! 😂😂😂😂

[@drakedbz]

Note: according to Storm, this is not a typical 4k finish, they do every grit from 500-4000 without skipping, which they say is supposed to give channels for the oil.

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right. The process starts at 360-grit. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit. Here’s Storm’s video explaining 4K Fast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs The finishing process is mentioned from minutes 1:18-1:25 and again from 7:00-7:18. When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps.

[@pokiis3108]

Is that not a typical 4k finish, you noob

[@jeremysmallwood8631]

u like the 4k better then polish on the x2

[@fiveboardstotheleft-bowlin2683]

Hustle Wine with 4k fast, solid so far.

[@jimk9290]

It's just a different finish option. If it keeps the balls in specs, go for it.

[@miketiegs1094]

It was the UFO Alert that was banned from USBC national competition not the X2

[@wms702]

That 1500 No Polish hits like a turd.RST X-2 Thrives @ the original box finish ,1500 Polished.(Providing maintenance is routine)

[@andrewbecker3592]

What about 4k fast WITH polish for funsies

[@angrywally4087]

Jungo Are you going Sand the RST X-2

[@colebradshaw1136]

Just got a dark code in exchange for my ufo alert. Waiting to drill and throw it before making any changes but i’m assuming i’ll end up polishing it so it’s a similar asym ball to my ufo alert that i liked so much.

[@Tcrror]

The Dark Code, from everything I have seen, is an excellent ball. It's also very strong and controllable.

[@chadsmolek7336]

the dark code is probally the best ball consistently ive ever thrown in 40 years

[@ItsKeelo]

I didn’t think the RST X2 was made illegal in certain competitions?

[@snikab]

The UFO ALERT was the ball that was semi-banned

[@andrewfoglestad3641]

RST x2 wasn't on the 6 ball soft ban list you're missing the UFO Alert

[@dougstein7226]

I don’t care for the 4K Fast, I rolled it with 4K and did not shoot very with it but as soon as we moved it to 1500 and shine it was great

[@willjames6437]

4K fast - 500, 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000. The process is designed to have a similar RA value, as it gets the surface extremely smooth - under 5 RA while the 1500 polish has about a 3 RA value. 4k fast should be a little smoother, but less sensitive than 1500 polish finish.

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right. The process starts at 360 grit. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit. Here’s Storm’s video explaining 4K Fast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs The finishing process is mentioned from minutes 1:18-1:25 and again from 7:00-7:18. When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps. Storm's 4000-grit finish goes from: 500-->2000-->4000 Storm's 4K Fast goes from: 360-->500-->1000-->2000-->4000.. (again, no 3000).

[@michellewest6804]

According to Storm - The Fast in 4K Fast stands for - Fast Reaction - coming off the oil pattern to the dry.

[@tushanator]

Rst x2 wasn't a banned ball. It was the ufo alert .

[@jasonsiegel3869]

Uhh.. I didn't read everyone's post's.. But just in case no one said anything.. At one minute and 4seconds Ryan mentions/shows 6 balls from the Storm/Roto-Grip/Global 900 line-up. I believe he got one wrong... The RST X-2 should have been a UFO Alert.. That's all.. Thanks for the great vids, Keep it up!! Jason

[@jerryalexander8803]

I was never a fan of the 1500 polish, I can't wait to ask my pro shop to put 4k fast on my nuclear cell, I think it's going to be a totally different bowl, in a good way

[@michaelmorgan5546]

The 4K fast is the process is 1k, 2k, 3k to 4k. They use to skip sand 500, 1,500 to polish

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Good day, It took me a moment to understand the process. It's a little confusing right. The process starts at 360 grit. There's no 3000-grit pad used as it is not used in their finishing process (according to their resurfacing guide from 2012 and before: www.stormbowling.com/downloads) except to finish the ball at 3000-grit. Here’s Storm’s video explaining 4K Fast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqYap6altaNbbs The finishing process is mentioned from minutes 1:18-1:25 and again from 7:00-7:18. When Alex says: "We're not skipping any grits in between... We're literally not going to skip any steps..," it's to be understood "contextually" not "literally." I hope this helps. Storm's 4000-grit finish goes from: 500-->2000-->4000 Storm's 4K Fast goes from: 360-->500-->1000-->2000-->4000.. (again, no 3000).

[@michaelmorgan5546]

@@caribbeanobsidian9119 I have been resurfacing like this for a number of years, not knowing that was what I was doing...lol It wasn't until I heard of Skip sanding that I even attempted that. For the most part, I still resurface most of my stuff the Fast way I guess...lol

[@peacefultv304]

it was the ufo nt the x2 that was banned

[@cwagner4704]

I know it had nothing to Do with the vid, but those white socks are killing me.

[@TheDoc73]

Am I the only one that wished they would've thrown polish on the 4K just for the hell of it?

[@Ghettonasty1914]

UFO Alert was banned not the X2

[@jeremysmallwood8631]

I didnt know the x2 was banned

[@GraysonandJoey]

It’s not

[@Popsplace42]

Ummm, a polish is not a product that stays on the ball. It’s a compound that sands it with a buffing pad. Why do bowlers think polish is a coating on the ball?

[@Popsplace42]

Let’s say you sand the ball to 1500, now you polish it, it’s not 1500 anymore but much much finer. Hence the shine.

[@RebelKicks-mn4kc]

Your 1500 grit no polish almost looked shinier than factory 4K Fast directly from Storm. If a ball comes out of the factory at 1500 grit, it will laser scan at 1500 grit. This is why I never use Abralon, because 1500 Abralon scans much higher than 1500.

[@cameronmcisaac1384]

The X2 was banned??? I thought it was the UFO Alert

[@jdizzlef83]

X2 is safe. It was actually one of the replacement options for the Sinister 6

[@cameronmcisaac1384]

@@jdizzlef83 "the sinister 6" 😂

[@jdizzlef83]

@@cameronmcisaac1384 lol

[@jraustile2104]

Rstx2 was not one ufo alert was the other one

[@TheBigfoot1999]

For over a decade now, if the ball I get is polished/compound out of the factory, I take that off before it ever sees the lane.

[@dougspry6278]

1500 polish all day. Storm better figure out how to get polish back on balls without the hardness issue. Every other manufacturer has polished balls.

[@JNickel9]

All the 4K fast meant was from 350 to 4K without missing a pad in the steps

[@caribbeanobsidian9119]

Close, a 3000-grit pad isn't used in Storm's finishing process except to finish at 3000-grit.

[@JNickel9]

@@caribbeanobsidian9119 I’m going by what Chad Said on the Storm Video.

[@ikeyeet8312]

so basically just polish them once you get them.

[@david.calvin.]

The polish did not make the balls soft. The residue from the polish caused lower readings in subsequent tests. Watch the Storm video. They explain all of this. You did not adjust the surface of the X2 to 4k fast. All you did was 4000 after box polish. 4k fast is NOT a fast spin. 4k is a progression of abralon starting at a course pad, and progressing up to a 4k pad. This will create a different reaction with teeth underneath. Watch the Storm video on this too. They explain the process. I love your guys videos but if you would have watched the relevant videos Storm produced on these topics, you would have all the correct info about the use of polish and how it affects surface tests and what 4k Fast actually is.

[@feddyvonwigglestein3481]

The more seriously I took the sport, the less I even wanted polish on my balls anyway. If you need a cleaner reaction, why take a full-price or nearly full-price ball, then ruin its cover with polish? What's wrong with a cheaper ball that flares less? I know that's not what the manufacturers (and ignoramuses that think lower price = lower quality ball) want us to think, but it's how I personally see it.

[@LOGICNREALITY]

these people need to start making solid colors, the tied dye stuff looks like what happens when kids mix different colors of playdough together hahhahahahahhaa. Ive been looking at old bowling balls on ebay, even if it makes me worse, I dont care. 200 plus for a ball, we should be able to pick better colors

[@brandongoodman4116]

I looking for free bowling balls

[@nathanielfuentes5294]

Sad that you're making an informational video and don't know what Fast 4k is...

[@Dan-oi4kt]

All of this is way overthinking. All these different balls are just the manufacturers' way to sell WAY MORE balls with their marketing tactics and the bowlers just fall for it over and over again. Hilarious actually

[@UncleSnottie]

"Harshly banned by USBC" seems an odd statement to make when a rule is in place and Storm did not adhere to it.