Why the FLASH Flopped - Full Movie Review

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[@ChewyRocksandiscute]

HE literally groomed children against their parents wishes and abused women on camera. Quit making excuses for HIM.

[@anticssmantics8446]

wow. LOVE ScreenCrush...HATE this take! Over Nerd-ing it. People wanted to hate it so they did...THEY = Ya'll. As soon as it hits 4K disk, it's bought!

[@abdelmartinez6007]

It's like watching a 12 year old reviewing a movie 😂

[@s3cunit]

@@ChewyRocksandiscute Yeah, I'm with you. I loved Ezra in Justics League as Flash, but when all the horrible things came out about him? Yeah, not gonna watch anything that has to do with him.

[@kiddcaliburart]

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[@clockstomper]

After Weinstien, seeing yet another person in Hollywood be abusive with no consequences just amplified everything people hate about Hollywood

[@davidperry3757]

You do realize that it's just the same in every industry. Power corrupts.

[@theyhateme8763]

they need deleated

[@davidperry3757]

I @@theyhateme8763 Apologies. I am pointing out that that's not really Hollywood, it's more our American culture.

[@dopecat15]

At least Weinstien made good movies.

[@JacobDean88]

​@dopecat4012 He didn't make good movies... he funded good film makers to make good movies.

[@marttihill8943]

They should have pulled a "Clue" and shot 4 endings and randomly inserted them into screenings so you don't know which universe he ends up in. Then you could have had 4 different Bruce Waynes.

[@clintizzo7693]

That’s actually a great idea! Also any mention of Clue is great.

[@tigerlancer]

There's at least 3 alternate endings including this Clooney one. There's the Keaton and supergirl one and Cavill supes, supergirl and Keaton one. Definitely will be in the ultimate edition, they definitely need to make their money back because the box office isn't going to come anywhere even close to the budget and marketing.

[@Imthesoulofthes]

Another version had the Entire Justice League (Barring Cyborg) Show up in Normal Civilian Clothes to celebrate Barry exonerating his Dad.

[@tygressblade]

That would have been better..

[@jmattos]

I sort of love that.

[@marswest3152]

I don't think people were attracted to Ezra's Flash enough to overlook his personal issues.

[@kingsausage561]

Yea, most people hated his Flash in JL

[@tiararoxeanne1318]

Sexual assault is like the cardinal sin in humanity. If respected actors (like Bill Cosby & Kevin Spacey) or powerful industry players (like Harvey Weinstein) could not survive it, there's no chance Ezra Miller would.

[@claytonc3735]

Mix Ezra's struggles with a readiness by fans to move on from WB's craptastic handling of the Snyderverse overall and you have the reason that this movie flopped. Add that to the option to see it in a couple months on a streaming platform and you have the final nail in the coffin. It's nothing to do with what was actually in the movie because people didn't go out to see it in theaters. It's not Michael Keaton's fault. In fact, my guess is that most of the people that went to the theaters to see this movie went for his portrayal of Batman alone. When we finally have a James Gunn DC movie that WB hasn't had its hands on then you'll see DC rebound at the box office.

[@1D4ever]

🎯🎯🎯

[@1ManNamedDan]

Many people that have certain issues with separating the artist from the art itself do so because their opinion is entangled with their ego and that informs what they can overall accept. I can enjoy movies with actors whom I think are d-bags same with watching sports or a lot of bands whose music I dig but the front man is a total asshat. My brother can't listen to most comedians because if he disagrees with them on a subject or two the the whole thing isn't funny he also can't watch football or baseball anymore or go to concerts because his opinion/ego can't handle dissent of his world view which I think is sad because he's choosing to be a brittle spirit in a much smaller world. I hope more people give this movie a chance despite Ezra because a lot of very good and talented people worked very hard and made something that's not perfect but it's a lot of fun with a lot of heart in it. Life is more fun with less of an ego.

[@muppetb.lansing8374]

How Hollywood "dealt" with Ezra Miller proves that Hollywood only cancels stars at its convenience

[@YoungBlaze]

R Kelly approves that

[@nineether3757]

@@YoungBlaze no he doesnt he's doing 30 years, woody allen approves

[@Max-zw3ut]

Yeah in case you haven't noticed, Hollywood has never actually been a beacon of virtue. The reason actors and celebrities get black listed is if they make bad publicity.

[@jakeswainson1244]

I don't think that the flash erased Ben Affleck's batman, I think it's actually just The Flash who's now trapped in a George Clooneyverse as a clever way of writing Ezra Miller out of the franchise in general

[@purnenduray1130]

Wow that's a really good idea . I thought he's back in old DCEU and bc of the things he did in past George Clooney now DCEU's Batman replacing Ben Affleck but really what if Barry Allen is actually stuck in George Clooney's universe 🤯that also makes total sense and would solve both the problems keeping Ezra miller out of new DCU and also keeping the old DCEU intact . That's brilliant actually 😅👍

[@andycalmes4201]

That’s exactly right and it’s hilarious! I’m surprised more people aren’t getting it.

[@fathersun5765]

@@andycalmes4201Right? I feel like this was obvious for if this was the direction they wanted to go. With the major caveat being that he isn’t “stuck” - there’s nothing stopping him from going back in time and putting the tomato cans back on the bottom shelf

[@davidperry3757]

or at least creating an option for that. They don't have to use everything they plant now.

[@aitheking66]

Or maybe that's still Flashpoint and GC is Thomas Wayne

[@user-zs5of5en5o]

I don’t think ppl care for Ezra that much. I think his real life shenanigans caught up with his art.

[@Dan55888]

I at least hope that is part of it. God knows we need to see more prominent people get consequences for their actions. Also though I'm surprised anyone watched any DC movies after Batman v Superman

[@slimjimnyc270]

​@@Dan55888What? Wonder Woman and Justice League was great.

[@daniell5740]

Ah yes when he kidnapped his minor gf lol

[@VVVY777]

Why? Because Barry Allen is not an obnoxious, dumb, slow-witted gay criminal. Barry Allen, the Flash, is not a dumb loser with superspeed.

[@gachagamer536]

​@@slimjimnyc270 not wonder woman 2 and only snydercut was okay, not the original

[@pakese30]

I’m pretty sure a huge problem for this was also Ezra Miller and his recent past. I’m pretty pissed that they have gotten rid of Gal, WB continues to shoot themselves in the foot.

[@pakese30]

@actionfigureShowcase umm no, I was answering the question posed in the video. Tbh the need to get their collective heads out their asses but they won’t. I’ve not seen the flash movie, have you?

[@pastoryoda2789]

Let them dig their own grave

[@Mike--Oxmall]

She too old

[@pakese30]

@gbeach85 were you never taught that if you can’t say anything nice then don’t say it at all? Do you read the comments while the video is still playing? If so that’s kind of disrespectful to those who took the time to create it.

[@pakese30]

@@Mike--Oxmall no she’s not

[@otakumarcus]

After watching your review, you’ve opened my mind even more with this movie. Sasha Callie’s Supergirl deserves more than her being a tragic Superheroine as I love this take on her as opposed to the typical long haired blonde beauty. I hope DC continues to do more successful experiments on their characters and even their more obscure characters.

[@maiwei]

Totally made more sense she was a brunette, like Kal-El, too. She did great.

[@phillipsullivan9614]

I'm old enough to remember Colton telling me that The Flash told the multiverse better than Across the Spiderverse. Which now seems like an absolutely insane take....

[@davidhumphrey6239]

1000% agree. As much as I don't want to disparage Colton and his opinions, he came off as very "fanboyish" for the DCEU, and not very impartial in terms of presenting a movie review. The little criticism that he does offer is immediately offset with his fondness for the movie so I personally did not value his opinion at all. And he's crazy to think that Clooney would continue on as Batman, outside of being a fun cameo at the end of a movie. Kind of like the "Henry Cavill" Superman showing up at the end of Shazam. And people are still not sure if Shazam is part of the DCEU or not. As far as telling a multiversal storyline, there is no way this beats Across the Spiderverse explanation of the multiverse. I'm actually SMH with how Michael Keaton Batman explained the multiverse. It would have been just easier to say that the Flash was in another universe than to explain that he changed both the past and the future.

[@ChaosAngel667]

the animated Flash Paradox movie did in fact explain multiverses better than spider verse. Simply not this one.

[@Deception975]

@@ChaosAngel667 Flashpoint Paradox doesn't deal with a multiverse. It's the same universe, just a different timeline. And as for the explanation, it's ok at best. However, Crises On Two Earths deals with a multiverse.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Yeah well, James Gunn told me it was going to be the best movie ever. Hmph.

[@shahrulmasud6021]

The fact they didn't acknowledge grant gustin was a massive missed opportunity. I wish he was In it

[@greynotgray6808]

YES! I was hoping so hard I'd see him.

[@djshotty]

Want to know why Grant Gustin wasn't in it? Because The Flash producers wanted portrayed is wholly different to the way Grant played the character on TV.

[@bubkusjones]

@@djshotty And? It's a story about the DC multiverse that had three completely different takes on Batman, plus three different versions of Superman (George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, and Nicholas Cage, never mind two Supergirls), AND a Jay Garrick Flash. Not to mention they already did an Ezra-Flash cameo during the CW's "Crisis On Infinite Earths" adaptation.

[@naturellebella]

@@bubkusjonesSo true, it’s very weird that the TV show has Ezra’s Flash in the show but they didn’t have Grant’s Flash in the movie. They had so many versions of different characters!

[@SneaksBL]

I think it pretty obvious what happened with the end. Initially it was going to be Michael Keaton and SuperGirl continuing on (especially since batgirl was filming) but once they decided they were rebooting they removed all of that and just did a fun nod to George Clooneys Batman. How are people not seeing this lol, it’s not that deep

[@dsegs28]

Yeah DC said Keaton was supposed to shepard new DC movies, but then they changed leadership/direction and abandoned him and the multiverse component.

[@clintizzo7693]

Yes! This!

[@nailinthefashion]

​@@dsegs28 god, I may die before we get a good old man Batman with his Robin moment. Beyond better not suck

[@juniorjr9011]

Because they’re going to use Clooney to make a Batman beyond movie watch. They were probably scared to with Keaton he’s old man. Clooney is a decade younger and has a robin in his movie so it’s easier to have a other robin without doing a whole new movie AND you get Batman beyond later. Killing 2 birds one stone

[@king_vision4085]

I’ve always said DC makes their characters so powerful that it makes it hard to translate to live action. And I’ve yet to be proven wrong by the DCEU……

[@PaulJeremyphent]

I believe that Ezra messed up so bad that he ended up in the universe with Clooney that will never be seen again. So we start off with a new flash and a new batman.

[@Phillybean15Productions]

This would be absolutely perfect.

[@doubleohnine]

We all know the BIG reason it flopped, and they knew it was coming

[@Jo_Mama710]

Yeah, because there’s a better one coming in two years

[@jadaba17]

Big facts

[@colemacgrath2005]

?

[@jacobsims8307]

As a child groomed by Ezra tf you talkin bout?!

[@ChewyRocksandiscute]

HE literally groomed children against their parents wishes and abused women on camera. Quit making excuses for HIM.

[@kenbrandon6434]

Am I the only one who caught the subtle quick joke when the younger Barry, in his chopped up Batman costume, tried to quickly turn his head on the Batplane and his mask got all twisted. Almost every Batman movie has some sort of joke about him needing a suit that would allow him to to turn his head better. And this is the source Batman, with the rubber, immovable neck.

[@michaelcowin6442]

No, we all got that, everyone from the X Generation did.

[@tarantulasarecool]

Yes I got that but I didn’t pinpoint it as a running joke across all Batman movies! Thank you for pointing out that!!❤

[@kenbrandon6434]

@@tarantulasarecool Yes, they tried to fix it in the later movies of that group. They even made slight references to it in BHS discussions and the Christian Bale movies with him discussing with Alfred about fixing the suit to get more head movement but still protect it.

[@tarantulasarecool]

@@kenbrandon6434 so cool! I’m eventually going to rewatch all BM movies but will look at the comments regarding his suit! Best. Superhero.EVER! Nananananasnan BATMANNNNNNN! I have to admit my fav was ‘Batman returns’ cuz I loved Michelle pfeiffer as cat woman! & penguin was sooo gruesome but interesting! Childhood memories!!

[@kenbrandon6434]

@@tarantulasarecool there’s a few KZbin videos about it. Just search “Batman turn head”. I even saw Michael Keaton explaining how he had to turn or move his whole body just to look up or to the side.

[@tcfuzz]

Barry is in a new time line that we will never see again. Flash moving the can and making his dad look up, created a new time line. Therefore, there is still a universe where Barry's dad is sentenced and found guilt but now on top of that his son is missing

[@CraftyGtrist]

you said that in 1/8 of the space I used LMAO

[@Collect2Disconnect]

The Tomato Can Effect

[@blinkenschnaag777]

Yeah, I think they're just throwing away the original Barry into a "nowhere universe". So the Batfleck universe lost that Barry. Same like the Keaton universe has no more heroes, including the other Barry, because they all died (or maybe their universe got erased).

[@NoonMight]

I was just thinking that lol

[@user-wu2wj5ji9w]

Exactly, I've been watching Ryan's(screencrush) video long enough to know he's smart enough to figure this out haha don't know why he of all people didn't get that.

[@jaggedsigns3O11]

it makes me unspeakably happy to see this bomb after the producer claimed its so good you will forget Ezra's crimes.

[@Pjayjay]

He said that????

[@Forever.Remain.Nameless]

​@@Pjayjaywhat crimes did he commit?

[@jaggedsigns3O11]

@@Forever.Remain.Nameless he seems to get drunk a lot and harass strangers, theres that clip of him strangling a fan which the ppl recording thought it was a bit at first, something else about him grooming or having some kid in his home but idk too much about that one. just a menace.

[@Forever.Remain.Nameless]

@@jaggedsigns3O11 thx

[@manat31790]

I watch movies for stories and characters, not actors. No matter how good the movie is, it cannot erase, downplay, or justify the actor's personality or behaviors behind the scene.

[@BoostLeekdMedia]

Grant Gustin's Flash SHOULD have made an appearance, or at least when "Flashpoint" happened, twist it a bit and give Grant's Flash (at the least) 1 movie to 'reset' the timeline. While I enjoyed The Flash, it definitely FEELS like the WB Execs got their hands in it (all the re-shoots, cuts, etc). But oh well, I'm looking forward to James Gunn's DC stories. Hopefully WB doesn't throw their hands into that.

[@Collect2Disconnect]

Flashpoint is one of the most popular comic stories of modern time they would under no circumstances waste that story on Ezra even if resetting the timeline is what they actually needed and what flash did in flashpoint lol that’s probably gonna be saved for the very last DCU movie 15 years from now

[@doom5950]

i think people are more fan of Grant gustin flash Zack synder flash is like a bluff People started loving from animation or CW shows If grant gustin was in the movie this would be good selling point for this movie

[@AGSA5]

Cw shows are plagued. So no....

[@aluthman281]

I think what they're doing with Clooney is indicating that 'our' Flash 'returned' to a (slightly) different universe, so now they can recast him in the next movie

[@1D4ever]

🎯 Exactly, the very idea of another Clooney Batman movie is ridiculous.

[@shadowmann9]

"next movie"? There probably isn't going to be one.

[@aluthman281]

@@shadowmann9 I mean in the next version of the DC-verse

[@shadowmann9]

@@aluthman281 Ah, ok thanks.

[@duggerfred]

Yes, he created a new reality where Clooney is Batman and Aquaman is a drunk.

[@LauraSofia071]

It was a weird choice for Ezra to even be there, it really sends the wrong message to have them at the premiere and letting them do interviews

[@jasonhallowsworth6889]

Them means more than 1😂😂😂

[@dopestdabs9053]

He

[@lilbean5955]

@@jasonhallowsworth6889it doesnt always, been that way for a century or more. but stay dum i guess

[@thecustompropper1279]

@@jasonhallowsworth6889 that's Ezra's personal pronouns and they want to be referred that way. sometimes you try leaving the rock under which you live and checkout the world.

[@KaylaIsaiah]

Ain't no one wants to watch a real life villain play one of the most iconic superheroes.

[@RedCloudBlackSky]

Michael Keaton as Batman is like Christopher Reeves as Superman. They have natural wit, sarcasm. What differs Mr. Keaton from other Batman successors is that when he's in costume, he had this snappiness with his movements that none of his successors does.

[@defenderholy]

I think the reason for George Clooney appearing at the end is because this new timeline and the whole Snyderverse is now part of the Elsewhere movies.

[@Enkeria]

Ever heard of the 30 days Marvel rule?

[@TheMonkeydood]

​@@Enkeriawhat that is?

[@KITBASHMUSIC]

I think the Aquaman post-credit scene was just to show audiences that Aquaman is still around so come December WB can still make as much money as possible off of Aquaman's sequel before the refresh starts.

[@DanielLopez-fj9yz]

Sad ain’t it? Whoever is in charge at WB last 10 years needs to go

[@Kashmiri_pandit776]

Aquaman sucked so bad 😂 Thank god MCU exists for giving us such fascinating concepts and characters and science

[@mar.s6516]

@@Kashmiri_pandit776 Heh 80 percent of MCU projects from last few years range from mediocre to just outright bad so not sure i would gave them that much praise. (btw i dont count SONY Spiderman anim movies into it) Though i do hope after guardians they work on inreasing quality back - i am somewhat hopeful for Secret invasion.🤓

[@Kashmiri_pandit776]

@@mar.s6516 u should say this for DC 😂 atleast see how the audience reacted to MCU first 3 phases. MCU easily dominated the decade with Avengers- captain America - Iron man- black panther exclusively then GOG etc DC is no way near bro...just see the content! DC is boring except for Batman dark knight, Avengers...marvel gives u a thrill, excitement, great characters...here science is more involved than just flying in the air !

[@MykeHavoc]

Affleck reshot the scene originally featuring Keaton in Aquaman II, so either that is the "Barry is missing" universe or they just cut the scene to avoid confusion.

[@Saintsfanalways]

Simple. A lot of the people who put the money in their pockets (the fans) warned DC that if they don't recast Ezra Miller, they would not support the movie. There is NO reason this movie should be flopping like it is with this iconic character, but the fans are staying true to what they said, and it's gonna lose a lot of money.

[@zac8670]

Funny how everyone keeps skirting around that obvious fact. There's a good in-depth examination of what we currently know of the story on YT right now.

[@TitoBunkN]

Flash and Aquaman are the boring characters

[@nikkikindinger2718]

No one wants to take their kids to see a movie where the Flash is played by a real life sexual groomer/psychopath.

[@johntakito1795]

Imagine a world where they didn't fire Johnny Depp and they fired ezra

[@theevilteacher]

The timeline we missed

[@doyscherr]

Johnny Depp as Barry Allen is a bold choice.

[@JacobDean88]

lol... no thanks to both

[@joeblankenship377]

I think if Ezra Miller hadn't gotten himself in all that trouble, they might have kept Michael Keaton out of the trailers and only showed Batfleck. But they were definitely throwing this box office on Michael Keaton's shoulders.

[@Renzuken3]

I thought this movie was going to do great...im happy people dont like Ezra miller and voted with their dollars. How the fuck they get rid of Henry and Gal but keep a freak like Ezra on? Ohhh thats right... Ezra is a they/them and can do no wrong to the hollyweird elites eyes. Meanwhile Henry Cavil actually cares and is a standup guy and he looses the superman roke...what a joke.

[@LayneRoxxx]

That's what they do. They never face reality and double down on their stupid narratives.

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@Visqo1]

Between the craziness with the actor and the making this movie not matter, they destroyed any prospect it had to succeed.

[@AL-lh2ht]

It flopped because the actor for the flash is literal a pedo cult leader criminal.

[@radrobd123]

Let's get real. The DCEU movies mostly failed with a few exceptions so nobody really cared if DECI was over or not

[@MyZ001]

@@radrobd123 Yea, but it's the idea of the world continuing on and where its going. To know it's going nowhere makes you feel like "what's the point if I know it's going nowhere".

[@Dan55888]

​@@radrobd123agreed, i dunno where these sudden fans came from.

[@legostarwarslad]

As mentioned in the last comments section, this movie has been through 3 different studio ownerships, at least 5 separate directors, & has been in production for 8 years

[@bac718]

They pulled it together

[@camillawissner6358]

And stars Ezra miller.

[@dasik84]

And I actually liked it more than most DCEU films. :)

[@WhatItIsCh]

I think the reason they put George Clooney's Batman in the movie is that they are driving home the fact that the Flash created all the offshoot universes that contain all the different Batmen and Supermen through the events of the movie. Every time he went back, another timeline was created with different causality. The Flash and the events in this movie is why the Clooney Batman is different than Keaton, and Kilmer even though we are told they are the same Batman. Flash did it all behind the scenes of those movies in this one..

[@mar.s6516]

Watch Orphan Black with T. Maslany for single actor portraying MANY versions of genet. same person. THAT 1 was seriously impressive and she dosnt just play many different personalities, she very often plays 2 or 3 of them having conversation, or fights with each other and doing incredible job at it.

[@couchpatotoe2214]

Great show

[@majorastorm]

Henry Cavil, Gal Gadot, and The guy for aquman need to be in the new universe they were so well casted

[@jermf35]

I agree and there not gonna do it. So it's going to suck

[@redscar1973]

Not Gal Gadot

[@maximusprime3459]

😂

[@stoneskinreb]

@@redscar1973 Agreed, she's pretty.. that's about it.

[@sloppnbiscuiitz]

*Man put some respect on Jason Mamoa* 😒

[@SonicFever87]

Tbh I’m one of those people who like the multiverse. I don’t see it as “nothing matters if it happens somewhere else” I see it as the ultimate danger. Literally no idea where you would end up in infinite possibilities. The problem I’m having is each multiverse movie to me they are not as adventurous/crazy as they could be.

[@GODsoN_216]

I agree with everything you said

[@flarestriker2005]

There was Across The Spiderverse which was adventurous imo

[@nikkikindinger2718]

@@StarSpecexists YES!

[@SonicFever87]

@@StarSpecexists I did. Amazing film indeed! Thank you for the recommendation I was not disappointed☺️

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@chrisweaver7271]

You lost me at 2:00 when you talk about how Barry had to learn when not to use his powers. HE STILL DIDN'T LEARN AT THE END OF THE FILM. He stills crewed the universe up on what happened. He learned NOTHING at all. To Think this film was anywhere better than Man of Steel is a farce. And to put Suicide Squad above that is criminal.

[@Attivian]

I'm sure the end signified that Flash never made it back to his original timeline and that the new DCU we watch can now be whatever clean slate we want it to be.

[@JerrellConner]

DC is a mess… But we all know this bombed because of they “Elephant in the room”. The fact that DC didn’t seriously consider that what Ezra was doing off-screen would heavily impact fans supporting the film is mind boggling. That compounded with how the studio handled Ezra and Amber’s off-screen trials with NO real consequences for their films (respectively). While Jonathan Majors lost both his PR Agency and manager after his charges… seems like a hollyweird double standard???

[@JayGC]

I don’t believe that’s the reason this bombed at all. I think it’s a factor for sure. But there’s also ‘superhero fatigue’ as people say. There’s the fact people are just tired of DC. The Flash hasn’t amassed a group of fans in the couple of things he’s been in. There’s the fact none of this really means anything because of the Gunnverse around the corner. People taking their kids to see a movie probably have no idea who Ezra Miller is. I can tell you now if an actor I really like had been committing crimes I’d still go out and see the new film they’re in. Short of any really horrific crimes obviously.

[@pepepantuflas1]

If your queer u can do anything. While johhny depp has his live taken from him for alot less

[@JerrellConner]

@@JayGC those are really good points too! 👍🏾

[@JerrellConner]

@@pepepantuflas1 right?!? 💯

[@officialHandl]

​@@JayGChe has a lot of good points, and you have some too- to add to what you both say I would safely call what happened overall a case of death by a thousand cuts.

[@PureMetalBanzai]

Ezra Miller. DC keeping him on as the Flash really put people off

[@armanimartinez8105]

You and the 12 people who liked this comment

[@5mviews69]

Facst

[@Byronic19134]

The way they treated Cavill put people off way more.

[@d4thetesor778]

💯

[@bonkgiartist]

Yep. Not a fan of rewarding behavior that most people would’ve been ‘cancelled’ for.

[@DynamiteDerickFelix]

The post credit, Barry tells Arthur that he's been through multiple universes/timelines and that there were different "Batmen" in everyone, but Aquaman was always the same (yet he didn't even exist in the first alternate timeline). To me, that implies that Barry has traveled more timelines post-court scene and now he is in one where the justice league has yet to form. And now he's the one trying to get the band together like Bruce did in the original one. Thus, the Clooney reveal could have been a one-off, and there is going to be a completely different, unrevealed Bruce Wayne in this new timeline.

[@JalizScanlanProductions]

I remember that reset/reboots through time travel in the comics, if used correctly, still kept the story going and kept me engaged. More often than not however, it's used as a device for when writers write themselves into a wall. This is what I'm seeing used by Studios now with the "multiverse". It can be done correctly and with care but more often than not, it's abused as a way to just create threads that don't connect or leave fans frustrated. I do believe the Clooney cameo, like what others have said, could've been used to help exit Miller's Flash from the new setup that Gunn's DCEU.

[@amandaarena1968]

A guy not tiktok that works in cinema explained why CGI is so poor. He said it takes those people that specialize in CGI time to perfect what the request is but only given a short period of time to complete the project. Movies where CGI was perfect like Avatar took like 10 years to make. They don’t care about perfecting movies anymore, they only care about how fast they can finish a movie that will make a lot of money in the box office. That’s the problem. Money is now way more important than perfecting the art of cinema.

[@tashadfowler3465]

What you explained is what I try to get people to understand when they complained about She-Hulk CGI which was damn good for having 7 months to generate a character from scratch. This movie could have used a multi image framing (Arc shot). Which uses less CG animation and more realistic photo when The Flash was in the speed force

[@filthyfrank.5]

That's all completely wrong

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@huntsman1999]

I agree my biggest upset with this movie was the movie trailers. They gave away 2/3 of the movie plot. Most the surprises were not there. 😠

[@cooldustin82]

The focus on nostalgic cameos reminded me of Space Jam 2, which wanted to showcase how many popular properties that Warner Bros. had access to. During the basketball game, the audience was made up of various characters you would never think you'd see standing next to each other, like King Kong, Danny DeVito's Penguin, Pennywise from Stephen King's It, and the Jetsons. It was absurd and you can tell it was designed to make millenials in movie theaters point and shout at the screen "Hey, that's so and so!" I watched the Flash with my wife and son and pointed at the screen when Keaton showed up, George Reeves, Adam West, Christopher Reeve, and Nick Cage appeared, and when George Clooney walked up at the end. I immediately told my son the background information on all these cameos because he had no idea who they were or what they were referencing.

[@EricWofford]

I love the flash character so much. I loved it for him. I dont like Ezra Miller. Def over hyped but I liked it.

[@ezpeasy3967]

Same I really enjoyed it people just shitting on it because they dislike ezra but it was a great film with awesome action scenes and great comedy

[@kaizersosai8560]

​@@ezpeasy3967yeah fk supporting that guy. I'll save my money.

[@blaze556922]

He's the best thing to ever happen to the character of The Flash imo. Don't buy into the hate

[@talorreese4543]

All these "KZbin critics" oughta start making movies....since they apparently know more than the director.

[@kaizersosai8560]

@@talorreese4543 if we had the money. We could make a movie better than this rehashed garbage. Hell just stick to the comics without race gender swapping half these movies would be an improvement

[@PrimeCrocodile]

When Barry put the can of tomatoes on the top shelf, the can was black. Originally the can was green, so now he is in an alternate timeline from the one with Ben Affleck as Batman. When young Barry dies here, old Barry can stay because his mother is alive. This removes the flash entirely from the Affleck Batman universe we still have. That clears up having to recast Ezra, he would not exist in the Snyder universe. The post credit with Aqua Man pushes this further showing our Barry Allen is in a different time line.

[@andycalmes4201]

The lesson Barry learned, the truth he had to accept, wasn’t “don’t move tomato cans,” it was that his mom couldn’t survive without causing earth to be destroyed. Yes, he’s taking another risk by saving his dad in the future but it’s a risk he can easily put back if necessary.

[@2736492821]

the intersection or whatever it's called, the tomato can is not one of them

[@YonackDreven]

I simply understood it as a "fixed point" that many multiverse movies do. Barry's mom dying and his dad going to prison are events that MUST happen for The Flash to become the hero the universe needs him to be, but his dad **staying** in prison isn't that important.

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@NaturallyMeeee]

I kinda think the Clooney cameo really means that this Barry is now in a different universe, and they are going to start over with a whole new Barry, new Sups, and new Bats. Not this universe, but a totally new one. They can't keep Ezra, that would be ridiculous

[@Forever.Remain.Nameless]

All of these different universes is corny😂

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@dopecat15]

@@Forever.Remain.Nameless Yes, South Park completely destroyed the multiverse bs with their recent episode.

[@Wompwompretiga]

George Clooney and Christian Bale are my favorites. But the little time we had Ben Affleck, he is really good as a Batman. And Micheal Keaton did his role perfectly in this film.

[@DanielLopez-fj9yz]

I think if dc does this right..this time I think we can all see them get their flowers in a infinite earths movie

[@23MRNOLIMIT]

Christian Bale was a terrible Batman, but a decent Bruce Wayne. And there is no better Batman than Ben Afflecks... Period.

[@Wompwompretiga]

@@23MRNOLIMIT wrong.

[@gtocool99]

The last scene makes sense since we are told not all changes are catastrophic, he does learn that some problems have no solutions.

[@CASSIE_COLE]

Yeah, I don't think he understood the movie. Moving the can only affects the future, not the present

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@lesterjohnson2691]

I just saw this today and I really liked this. Not sure what the new universe they are establishing unless Aquaman end scene is saying he is the Aquaman in every universe and we are getting a different Superman. Ezra did a heck of job playing 2 characters. I didn’t realize he had the dramatic chops. I nearly tested up when he said hello and goodbye to his mother. I get the moral dilemma with Ezra just hope he gets help. I will buy on 4K. I didn’t have a problem with the CGI they should have showed as many DC connected universes as possible and a CW nod. I really liked this movie.

[@ashleyanne2056]

Agreed that the lack of a CW flash nod was criminal

[@gokularora965]

Same ..it is a very good movie..people are happy to spend on joss whedon justice league, thor love and thunder, but not on this one

[@christinagreekct]

It was a good movie. Its crazy that a move can make a quarter or a billion dollars before it hits PPV and DVD and be called a flop

[@gokularora965]

@@christinagreekct marketing and distribution cost

[@morijin9552]

Foh u talking about he needs help no he needs to be in jail people like you are the problem

[@jessianddaddytime4349]

I just saw it! I went in with low expectations and enjoyed it. Ezra is a tormented person but really made the movie great. The ending just left it open to whatever James wants to do. 🎉 Supergirl without superman wasn't going to beat Zod I loved that. Moving the cans gave you George's Batman loved that too. Believe it or not DC unknowingly started the multiverse with different actors as Batman and Superman🎉😂❤

[@fabianschweitzer]

VFX were bothering me way more outside of the scenes you described. And with this heavy reliance on vfx in almost every movie nowadays, you can’t just simply overlook these things. Look at how wobbly the flash’s suit looks in almost every shot in the movie, especially the opening act, where it would matter most to really set the stage and convince the viewer of top quality. The scene where both flashes and Kara slide into frame looks just so bad. Everybody always picks on the CW and their bad vfx because of the low budget, but really this was just like that. Always try to remember how awesome the first iron man looked. That was 15 years ago. Feels like it’s only getting worse and I don’t blame the vfx teams. They are overworked as we know (and as we all are by the way). Studios must really find their way back to quality over quantity.

[@davidlewis4965]

I THINK that Clooney's Batman was a sign that Ezra's stuck in that timeline, and the DCU gets a new Flash when appropriate. However, I would not be upset if Clooney got to play a serious older Batman, as Nghtwing would then be near Superman's age, and likely to be the official "Batman" of the DCU. We could also see the Dick/Damien interactions as well, as there should be some resentment between Damien and the first Robin.

[@DanielLopez-fj9yz]

I would love that

[@blinkenschnaag777]

That makes sense and quite interesting to explore

[@ThisAbilityClinic]

14:30 Absolutely agree the performance and visual effects to achieve two different Barry’s (Barries?) was impressive. The baby CGI was horrific but forgivable. Baby deep fakes could be done way better (looking at you @CorridorCrew ). Definitely a “swan song” on many levels. Thanks for the great breakdown & discussion! 🤟🏼🤟🏼🤟🏼

[@GODsoN_216]

I literally thought only one of the babies was real lol the one the nurse was holding but come to find out it was just bad special effects.

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@TTony-tu6dm]

Putting aside Miller’s issues, I enjoyed the movie and couldn’t understand some of the vitriol aimed at it. And Keaton as Batman kicking ass to the old theme was worth the price of admission

[@andrewrancy6121]

I think supergirl was in the movie mainly to show the weight of Barry’s actions. You give your mom tomatoes, now Superman doesn’t exist. So in saving your mother you cause the death of your friend and the greatest hero in your universe

[@Monyato]

The flash is the greatest hero in the universe, that’s the whole point of the flash as a hero, a single human man that created and carries one of the forces of the universe as if it’s nothing, he outruns death itself. Superman can’t kill the flash, the flash can kill superman.

[@TheJediForcePodcast]

Great show guys.... Here's a thought. Aquaman was not "just a cameo." Barry tells him that there are many Batmans but only one Aquaman in every universe...therefore, Barry has apparently been trying to reset everything again and again. Clooney is just one iteration we see, but Barry has seen many. That's what happens when you move tomato cans. Ha. On another note, it would be nice to see Clooney get a better send off for his Batman.

[@andycalmes4201]

Just watched it again and Barry does not say there is only one Aquaman. There was NO Aquaman so he lied to him…that was the joke about the dog.

[@LonewolfOfSD]

It seemed pretty obvious that making that change would have no impact on the past and would only impact the present. I am also thinking that ending was a fun way to close out the Ezra Miller Flash in a different multiverse as the fulcrum couldn't be fully repaired once broken. I also think the studio didn't want to say if Ezra continues or doesn't continue in the new DCU.

[@kevind6723]

Thank you for bringing up the big problem with the multiverse. I’ve been saying this from day one. When you have infinite of something losing one of those things is irrelevant.

[@nikkikindinger2718]

All they need to do to fix this, is have a character bring this up IN THE MOVIE. Like have one character say to another, "If there's a million different possibilities, why does it matter what you do in this universe?" and have the other person say, "Because I LIVE in this one, dumbass!"

[@AMMARTRAVELS]

Man, now i think they were expecting another darker movie, flash is always a funny character if you have read or seen the comucs, the baby scene in which he aims for to eat first rather than saving the babies, was also unexprcted, but since he was out of his energy levels, so i hope most of the people are more worried about cgi and the tone of the movie. For me it was a flash movie that was finally well done.

[@buh2001j]

That parade of uncanny valley cameos was so clearly written in after 'No Way Home' set post lock down box office records

[@billyheaning]

What I couldn’t help but notice was that the whole world just kinda kept doing it’s own thing after Zod and his spaceship appeared. I know it wasn’t the main driving plot but you’d think if there was an actual alien invasion for the first time ever, people everywhere would be freaking out. It would be pandemonium everywhere. But people in the cities and stuff that wasn’t set in an immediate battle area around them acted like it was any other day. Seriously, it was jarring. If you watch it again, you’ll see.

[@TheCandyGamingChannel]

That one is simply explained by the fact not everyone would believe it (conspiracy or military excitement), and it was the Milatary doing stuff to calm it down. Same thing happened in Man of Steel, shit didn’t go down until the very end

[@tamelo]

It was only the young Barry friends that were recovering from a bender. And, being honest. After what we've been through the pandemic, I wouldn't be surprised if so many people ignored Zod.

[@CraftyGtrist]

I just think the director didn't want to give it time so as not to redirect attention to the main story.

[@danielgomez8776]

Remember COVID, in the beginning people was dying on the other side of the world and in my country daily life was normal

[@giabaonn600]

Same thing happened in MOS

[@sarawelling5271]

The activities of the star are impossible to ignore and the tragedy of that is that it was the reintroduction of Michael Keaton to his beloved role. That's almost criminal in and of itself.

[@kraigpearlman3283]

I'm surprised by some reactions. I know some of the CGI is bad, really bad in spots. But there are other spots where it is absolutely fantastic. The phasing through the wall, zooming in on younger barry's eyeball. Nearly all of the war scenes with the kypton army vs US army was great. I personally saw the George Clooney Cameo as a gag. I never expected him to be the next batman. I'd give the movie a solid 8 out of 10

[@Collect2Disconnect]

I’m more mad bale wasn’t in this honestly I could let Kilmer and Pattinson slide but no bale hurt me

[@Ddog785]

i agree,,,think it is just a cameo

[@DanielLopez-fj9yz]

I didn’t mind the cgi it was good enough I loved the how the speedforce was portrayed

[@kraigpearlman3283]

@@DanielLopez-fj9yz I agree overall. I loved how the speedforce looked and how they explained time works backwards too.

[@Betazeno]

I liked the movie. I was laughing a lot which is weird for a DC movie. The CGI was only bad in a couple spots. I prefer the super speed running to not look like he is skating but instead he has like multiple legs (They had one spot where they did it like that and it just looked better). The baby thing looked pretty fake. They tried to re-create that awesome Quicksilver slow down scene but it was not nearly as good. The two Barrys was done perfectly! I never once felt like one was cgi. All the Batman stuff was fantastic! and the Zod scenes.

[@ProdCritic]

In just two films, Ezra Miller has desecrated a grave & cooked a baby in a microwave 😂😂😂

[@Eratic_bhavior]

My only hope for Clooney at the end is a potential Batman beyond situation

[@DanielLopez-fj9yz]

As much as I love Keaton he will always be my favorite Batman..but I could see Clooney as a good old Bruce Wayne in a Batman beyond movie or show?🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Jokesony0u94]

Tbh I'd love to see Clooney in a better suit and see him do an actual fight sequence redeem that batman. He's a great actor who could pull it off with good writing

[@nickpellatt]

The Clooney cameo was an absolute mic drop moment, i saw the film the day it came out. The Clooney bit was amazing. Audacious

[@adamblackmon4515]

Absolutely amazing to see Clooney!

[@ReworkToys]

I definitely didn’t feel ghoulish. I loved the homage to the previous actors and I absolutely loved the Nicholas Cage Superman inclusion. I think we all missed out on seeing him as Superman but this really shows us that in another universe he was Superman. It has this 4th dimensional quality to it that I really think was wonderful. Otherwise I think people are being way too critical of the effects on this. I’ve seen much worse movies with much better effects. I actually didn’t care at all about the lesser than effects in the movie and usually I care the most. The movie was good, it held my attention, was relatable, told a compelling story, and resolved it. I think it was a complex story to tell and I definitely found myself wondering how he gets out of this clustercuss of a situation. Its very annoying when you out stupid characters into that type of impossible situation, but when you put an intelligent one in it and they manage to find a solution, then it’s a rewarding experience. And yes, Michael Keaton is the best Batman. This movie made me wish he never stopped playing Batman.

[@d1v1s1onby0]

How lucky is it that The Flash seems to only encounter problems that can be resolved by running fast.

[@melaninfuture]

Actually, the dominant society embraces his behavior. He’ll be fine.

[@cnj5599]

I did not like the bad guy was Zod. That is a Superman character. It is like taking a Spider-Man movie and having him team up to fight Red Skull with Bucky. Yes it is possible, but it doesn’t fit right. There are so many characters that they could have put in Zoom Godspeed Reverse Flash. It was like Flash was used to go from the Batman world to Superman world.

[@JasenMinus]

Zod being a superman enemy means nothing when this is flashpoint... Like... The big bad isn't even a speedster, it's Barry ..

[@radrobd123]

Actor Michael Shannon felt the same way. He said it felt like they took different action figures and made them play together

[@MatadorMedia]

They never even solved the mom's murder in this movie. Could've easily been a Flash villain.

[@Grovel_Gravel]

Seriously, who's idea was it to put Ezra Miller in the movie? Did they lose a bet?

[@steelothian]

My opinion on Kenton’s Batman in this movie, is that it was an homage to the Burton movies, but also an homage to Flashpoint Paradox (which a good chunk of this story is coming from) Batman. In that universe, Batman was Thomas Wayne and he drank a lot and carried guns. In both the comic storyline and the animation. I was honestly waiting for him to reveal that he was actually Thomas Wayne.

[@RobertoArboleda]

I so wanted that, and honestly it would have been way better. But I guess they thought it would have been too confusing for the general audiences. A great alternative would have been to actually do Thomas Wayne Batman with Jeffrey Dean Morgan

[@popsfishing]

exactly what I was also thinking his Thomas Wayne

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@hawhite2000]

I think it is worth considering that the lesson being learned is a more nuanced lesson. Yes Barry needed to learn to let go and not all problems have solutions. But some programs do have solutions and that solution isn't always the most obvious one.

[@AlSween]

I think infinite numbers of a character still matters. Their lives and deaths still hold the same weight because they aren't specifically the same. Except for Kang. He has this esoterical feel with the connection between his variants.

[@bnice1374]

If Clooney is in, I hope we will get a batman beyond storyline. I can see him as a good older man in the chair Bruce.

[@whatelsewouldyoudo]

If those CGI messiness were intentional, they still didn't work out. And yes, it's the multiverse but it kinda fell short. But I'll give credit to Ezra because he did a phenomenal job differentiating the two Barrys.

[@RDJ_Customs]

Give Grant Gustin a chance at the big time, fella earned it 💯

[@jacobsims8307]

Wish they would

[@brownvirtue]

​@Dana White's Cocaine just curious, why no?

[@HolyFieldM5]

He to old now

[@km190103]

Yes, BUT WITH BETTER WRITERS AND PRODUCTION than the CW team

[@Dark_Kommissar]

I haven’t seen The Flash but it didn’t surprise me to hear that Ezra ended up being the bad guy.

[@GODsoN_216]

He wasn't the bad guy at least not in the traditional sense u just have to see the movie

[@Dark_Kommissar]

@@GODsoN_216 No, I don’t have to see the movie.🤣

[@GSG02590]

@@Dark_Kommissar You can't comment on the film if you haven't seen it, that's just stupid.

[@Dark_Kommissar]

@@GSG02590 Sure I can. I’m entitled to have an opinion about anything. Besides, my comment is intended to express my dislike for Ezra Miller and their bad behavior. I don’t like the person think they are a bad person in general.

[@archishmaandas4488]

@@Dark_Kommissar hmm just separate the art and the artist, erza is an evil person to me and i hate him too but in the movie he kinda nailed it

[@reyfan011]

As much as I love the possibilities of a multiverse, I am getting sick of it now in movies.

[@obiomachukwuocha4918]

I think my plot hole of note is that the mom gets stabbed but we don't know who stabbed her. Maybe she somehow stabbed herself. But that seems like a leap. In regards to the father looking up: I think it would've been better for Barry find NEW evidence that exonerates his father. For example, you could have it where the father used a credit card at the store and they check the time. OR you could have it where the father was originally just applying for appeal with NO new evidence and then Barry finds out that the tomatoes were ALWAYS on the top shelf and after going to the past, he finds out that there was also a camera there.

[@Chilax]

Exactly I was so annoying he knew exactly when his mom got stabbed but he never went to check who did it.

[@missangela1984]

This was a Major Plot Point that was just completely dismissed. No one even tried to address, investigate, or even think for a minute why not go back and find the real killer (s) ? Why included General Zod. That whole story was completely unnecessary. Especially since Barry in the end still didn't learn his lesson either way.

[@cobracommander9138]

Flash could have just set up a camera in the kitchen. Why wasn't Flash obsessed with catching the person that killed his mom or at least care about it is ridiculous.

[@scottlarson1209]

Considering that the Elementals movie tanked as well, I think one of the main reasons the numbers were down was because people didn't want to go to the movies in general this weekend. Honestly, my personal experience of going out to see films since the pandemic is a far cry to what it had been before COVID. I saw Flash, Spiderverse, and will go see Indiana Jones, but going to see these films just doesn't feel important like it used to, especially when I know that they will be streaming in a couple of months. It's not fun to go anymore - the movies are expensive, the theaters aren't being kept up well, employees don't sell tickets anymore- there's either a machine that does it, you have to stand in the popcorn line, or you buy tickets online with a "premium" $2 to $5 mark-up. The employees are rude, the snacks are ridiculously overpriced, the management doesn't care, and audience looks at their cell phones while the movie is going. There are certainly special events like Spider-Man: No Way Home, but unless something is a huge event it's not worth going. With The Flash, you add Ezra Miller's problems to this, plus it was "another superhero film" and people stayed away.

[@nailinthefashion]

Something has to be directly representing lgbt people for me to feel like it's worth it anymore lol Everything Everywhere All at Once was my last film in theater I waited for the freaking Way of Water to stream!!!! I saw the original and knew it would be incredible and still didn't think it was worth it. Hollywood has a new epidemic to worry about: apathy

[@scottlarson1209]

@@nailinthefashion Absolutely!

[@alecel1450]

Yikes. My experience is pretty good. I only go to movies I really want to see. Also, you can stream (purchase) the movie for the price of two adult tickets on KZbin, which is about 3 - 4 weeks it is released in the movie theater, so if the movie isn't that important you can just wait to watch it at home.

[@hightolerance8728]

I half agree. It depends on the movie. I live in Boston which is a half big city, pretty much every MCU movie is still packed some still sell out for the whole weekend. Across the Spider-Verse just did it. And that’s Sony. At 1st I was against the idea of payin 20 bucks for a movie when you’ll be able to buy it for the same price within about a month. its still something to experience a movie in a full theater

[@bigfudge3223]

Nobody's going out to see mid movies like The Flash, Elemental, or Transformers anymore when Spider-verse is out lmfao. This movie sucked

[@Jgallant96]

Great point made. I love the "multiverse" concept in comic form because it lends to endless content and you know things will be reset every so often. With the movies, it just creates entropy for me.

[@Playingwithproxies]

I think the marvel universe did the smart thing by planning out 20 movies years ahead of releasing them. The dceu can’t even plan what’s going to happen in the next movie so why would anyone care.

[@TheRockerX]

The lack of stakes and constant resets are the reason I eventually got tired of western comics. Based on the disastrous comic readership numbers these days, I don't think I'm alone on that.

[@cb3391]

Why it flopped? 1) mishmashed script for budget reasons. 2) Grant wasn't the flash 3) just a mess.

[@watcherzero5256]

The news that they made three different endings with differing surviving characters every time there was a change in the studio leadership says it all.

[@jesilam]

I think that George Clooney as Bruce Wayne in the end was a big "FU" to Ezra Miller and basically telling the fans, we're done. (as Clooney has often said, he was done with the role). And the post end with Aquaman, I think, was trying to establish that Jason Momoa's version is the same in ALL the multiverse (I believe Ezra also mentioned that Wonder Woman was the same, leaving the door open for those actors to be part of the new DC Universe Films). All that being said, I'm beefed that they dissed the "Arrowverse" by not including ANY of them in the multiverse at the end of the film - especially Grant Gustin, who I believe was the best actor to portray the Flash, and beefed that they dissed Henry Cavil by not having him in the movie at all. Anyhow, I was quite disappointed in the film overall - I agree this was a hot mess; I could have done without Ezra Miller altogether and would have preferred a Michael Keaton Batman movie over what we got. (BTW, kudos for honoring Ezra's "their" Pronouns)

[@AwesTex]

Yeah I was really surprised there was no Arrowverse nod when Ezra Miller even appeared in it already! They couldn’t even make a minor shout to it??

[@matthewhegarty729]

Keaton was playing Old Batman the same way Mark Hamill played old Luke.

[@purpletron7395]

I think if they are re casting the flash he should’ve re entered the present as the new actor… therefore retaining his memories and him even being confused on his new appearance I think that would’ve been an awesome way to clear up that problem since let’s face it ezra is a problem as him being in the movie didn’t help the views

[@scottm1043]

Even though I think Warner Bros. is imploding on itself, and I don’t understand why they make the decisions that they make, I enjoyed the flash movie because of the nostalgia seeing the other universes. It was nice to give nods to the other supermen and the Adam West Batman. It would’ve been nice to see Linda Carters wonder woman as well.

[@thecunninlynguist]

I dont think they should have relied heavily on cameos in the trailers. They ruined 2 goood ones that would've been better as surprises. The actual surprise cameos were cool...but the cgi was pretty bad. I thihk the director lying/trying to save face claiming it was an artistic choice. That wouldnt explain the babies, though.

[@peterlenham3180]

He explained the babies due to the speed force.

[@thecunninlynguist]

​@@peterlenham3180so basically the same excuse😂

[@radrobd123]

I mean it was announced 4 years ago or so that both Keaton and Affleck would be in the movie so I don't know if that spoiled anything

[@ghiggs8389]

I stopped watching commercials. Unfortunately suggested articles stated those spoilers pop up in all my feeds and I get spoiled from a glance. Sucks.

[@Collect2Disconnect]

NWH didn’t show Tobey or Peter yet even if they did it wouldn’t make NWH better or worse movie. They still were under utilized and had the most dumbest plot ever to follow leading to a unsatisfying story with our most beloved Spider-Man actors

[@jennciavarella6888]

I wonder how much the TV show played into the popularity of this movie. I loved the show (or the first few seasons of it) and so I wanted to see another take on Flash, while at the same time wishing GG was playing him. I spent the first part of the movie wishing it was GG and even JWS as Henry. After seeing it, I'm pretty upset that there were no appearances from that cast (but Nick Cage got to mug for the camera, apparently so Kevin Smith could wet himself), though I think it was alright. I also wonder how much it suffered from the news that HC, Gal Gadot, and BA aren't going to be back. I keep hearing there are people upset about Henry Cavill in particular. I think this movie had things stacked against it that have nothing to do with that movie or even the star, but the way the production company handled a fan base that I think may have wanted to give it a chance.

[@averageguy1261]

I caught it only a year later on Amazon. Expectation were really low. It surprised me how good it was.

[@Lordvader330]

Ryan's take on Miller is spot on. This is the reason I won't go see this in the movies. I'm not rewarding this twisted pedophile. He needs to go. Hollywood has to stop pushing these evil people on us.

[@Byronic19134]

Hollywood is ran by them. The reason he still has a job is because the people who control Hollywood have done way worse but it's just never been exposed. So if that is what you are worried about then you gotta stop watching movies.

[@amirc.6146]

Or you need to stop watching Hollywood movies.

[@bmla88]

The point of the movie wasnt barry learning you cant change the past but that he couldnt change his mother’s death and he had to accept. Helping his father get exonerrated was not a irreversible event.

[@Ryan125y]

The point of the movie was changing the past will have unforeseen consequences. Ben Affleck & Michael Keaton Batman explain this, which is why there was a George Clooney Batman

[@radrobd123]

You know how Barry could have helped exonerate his dad? By finding out who actually killed his mom!! But no, he wasn't the least bit curious

[@DigitalAscensionArt]

@@radrobd123 That's funny. I was thinking about that too. I don't know how it would have helped without changing some major events of the story but it is an interesting detail not to explore.

[@manuelmendez6022]

​@@radrobd123it's explained, that would be far too much interference but simply making sure his mom doesn't forget the tomatoes would theoretically be a small enough change. I loved the Flash, great movie!

[@radrobd123]

@@manuelmendez6022 who explained that?

[@ToxicWolf-yp2hh]

I feel like the movie wasn’t all about not changing the past like the one dude said but more of Barry learning about fixed points and “cannon” events that must happen and having to just fully cope with the death of his mom.

[@CaptainRockoBD]

Literally just said the same thing in more words…

[@king_vision4085]

I’ve always said DC makes their characters so powerful that it makes it hard to translate to live action. And I’ve yet to be proven wrong by the DCEU

[@thedarkroom6416]

@@king_vision4085I think the flash did a decent job with leaning into comic book aspects while not seeming too sillt

[@Morpheux1]

23:00 he did not change the past with the camera, he changed the present, since the video was not going to surface into present day, it wouldn't affect anything before the court day.

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Man I actually liked this movie. If you separate fiction from reality you’ll actually have a great time. But Batman does absolutely carry the thing sometimes.

[@rauls.966]

I thought the movie was great. I don’t understand why people didn’t like it.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

I watched this, and then Guardians 3, followed by Across the Spider-verse all in one day. All I can say is watching such quality after such trash REALLY highlighted the level of trash The Flash really was. It had NO emotional connection to anything and was insanely forgettable. The other two I can't sing enough praises for.

[@ryuteki]

No. You have to separate Humor from ...whatever the hell the mess was that they included in this movie - at least for the first truly awful 20-ish minutes before I stopped it for the SECOND time.

[@supermanexpert6462]

I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.

[@7heRequiem]

I think we are all a little underwhelmed because this was supposed to be The Movie that resets everything and we were supposed to be left with "Ahh" or "Ohh" in the end knowing where things are headed instead of having more questions and I agree with Ryan that it seems like the confusion and uncertainty is because the studio itself is testing things out and haven't fully decided what to keep and what not to based on reception and so far those decisions have backfired. Its why there are news that Flash is gonna have a sequel if this movie was received well and is why Reverse-Flash and murderer of Barry's mom hasn't been explored. If they are to be unsure about stuff instead of fully rebooting and resetting the slate, they might've as well keep Cavill for a while because people would throw crazy money at it specially how last few movies have been suffering financially. I mean tbh, I liked the backbone Gunn have been showing so far despite all the hatred but now it seems like he needed that backbone the most. Stuff like calling Flash, the greatest superhero movie of all time sounded desperate and it backfired, stuff like calling Blue Beetle a DCU character and yet calling Superman Legacy the first DCU movie also sounds like one of those desperate attempt at we don't know where Blue Beetle fits in but you guys are gonna want to watch it if we say he is a DCU character and not DCEU which will die anytime about now! I mean chronology aside, if Blue Beetle is DCU character, then this is the first DCU movie, people keep quoting Captain America but nope, Captain America despite the chronology wasn't the first MCU movie, Iron Man was, he was the first character and his was the first movie! I just think it will be hard to decide from here because this movie was supposed to be The Movie to decide what to keep and what to discard, it seems like we still have to wait for some sort of multiversal event again to jump into DCU!

[@theswan1852]

Fun review! I liked the movie in the same way I enjoyed Black Adam and Batman & Robin. That groomer sure can act. It was a big pile of suspension of disbelief but there's 2 points I just can't get over 1) Kara gets stabbed?!?!?! Am I supposed to invoke Man of Steel logic ... I just thought Kryptonians can't get stabbed on Earth. Whatever. 2) Barry has half-an-hour to get back to his own time or he loses his powers. Half-an-hour?!?!?! How much time does he need?

[@roberthall6045]

She got stabbed with blade from krypton is probably how they explain that but yeah I thought same thing

[@novascotia2188]

TSS being your #1 favorite movie tells me enough about your taste

[@flipperjones509]

I liked the movie. I didn't think about it more than what we saw at face value. There were a few things that were minor annoyances, but overall it was enjoyable. Going forward, I don't know what they've got in mind. I feel like they need to take some time and really plan out what they are going to do. I think a lot of the reason this film hasn't done well is that people are kind of burned out on run of the mill comic book movies. People don't want to watch a hot mess smorgasbord of random superhero troupes. They want to see a cohesive and compelling story from movie to movie with likeable characters who are involved from film to film.

[@Father_Daniel]

It kind of seems like Ezra landed in universe/timeline that is going to be irrelevant. I think there's a good chance we'll never see him or that universe again.

[@superjdillydillio9040]

This was a really good movie. Keaton's Batman was spectacular!