Why The HELLBOY Reboot Was So Bad | Cynical Reviews

2019’s HELLBOY, the latest adaptation of Mike Mignola’s iconic comic book series, and a reboot of the film franchise as established by Guillermo Del Toro, with David Harbour replacing Ron Perlman in the lead role, and with Neil Marshall stepping in for Del Toro, was a major disappointment. Disliked by critics and divisive for the IP’s fanbase, it suffers from a great many problems with its writing, characterisation, tone, and overall vision. It would have been better off left in development hell.
I’m going to take a long look at why.
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[@bloodyneptune]

It somehow kills me _more_ knowing that amazing Make A Wish Thing is what inspired Del Toro's almost-third-movie. Because I mean, a 62 year old man spending _hours_ in a makeup chair becoming a demon to meet a Make A Wish kid is something that _should_ cause a movie to be made.

[@manicmentacide]

Facts

[@alexaraya2018]

Isnt there a petition or something to bring back original HellBoy?

[@manicmentacide]

@@alexaraya2018 it didn't go anywhere and got shut down hard by both Del Toro and Ron P so it isnt going to be picked back up. Disappointing but they both had understandable reasoning for the hard no.

[@alecpowers8591]

Hours in a make up chairs sounds horrible just for a kid i would never do that

[@jockeanus]

@@alecpowers8591 at least the kid don't have to see the new one.

[@_V.Va_]

"Cats, cigars and candy bars" has such a nice ring to it. Adult-oriented but not edgy.

[@masterzoroark6664]

yeah. And it shows a soft side to Hellboy.

[@zhivkozaev2438]

Well-rounded and realistic. No real-life adult ever goes around only caring about "grown-up stuff" like smoking, stocks, and politics.

[@juanarocha8629]

Aliteration

[@hamsnub]

@@juanarocha8629 Alliteration?

[@kjanaeblue]

@@hamsnub the "c" sound is alliteration. "Cats, cigars, and candy bars. "

[@LowEffortDucks]

Something the reboot does poorly is making the villains interesting. Seriously, that nazi sand-bag guy was fucking terrifying.

[@LilyApus]

Not to mention really cool and unique, I've still yet to see anything like it in another movie, and it was really effective at making him feel threatening especially because he didn't or couldn't? talk at all.

[@BrandonNielsen87]

I totally forgot about his villain. Don't even remember the villain in that movie at all. This means it wasn't a good villain.

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

Malaria did kro mean thing scare the shot our of you as kid

[@LowEffortDucks]

@@zacharyjochumsen9677 Absolutely

[@popskiptea8707]

haha YES I remeber watching it with my friend when we were like fourteen, and he refused to watch it again because of the nazi sand-bag dude!

[@gendygoblin8391]

The original opening also shows how Hellboy is accepted as a baby boy even though he was summoned by Nazis. He was a literal demon and was still seen as a sentient being by one person showing kindness towards him.

[@deletedwaffles]

I just remember that picture of Hellboy with the American soldiers.

[@JesseVenturaHat]

​@@deletedwaffles awful cgi but I love that movie

[@farshadevil1]

the way this version of hellboy looks compared to Perlman's version is like when the bad guy in "The Mask" wears the mask versus when Jim Carry wore it.

[@TheExoticDarkness]

thats a fuckin spicy reference mate

[@nurse425]

@@TheExoticDarkness SMOKIN'!

[@finchwaddledog5026]

I guess there aren't many people out there that remember those scenes, because this is fucking exactly what it looks like.

[@ammagon4519]

Omg the comparison is fucking good

[@sophieludtke243]

@@nurse425 omfg you just dragged up an ancient memory of that movie for me 😂

[@jamaljohnson6938]

Bro del toro is one of the only people who won't sell his soul and keeps getting screwed over in big movies

[@98953812]

Good man.

[@fischeborne9713]

I know lots of people who haven't sold their souls.

[@choronos]

I'm a big Lord of the Rings nerd, and I can't tell you how excited I was to hear Guillermo del Toro was going to direct The Hobbit films. It still stings to think about what happened to him on that project. The studios would have you believe him leaving The Hobbit was a "mutual" decision, but you can see interview footage where del Toro compares the loss of the project as akin to being widowed, and he tears up just talking about it. That tells me all I need to know about the soulless corporate hacks in Hollywood that control the money and decide what gets made by whom.

[@danieldent2035]

@@choronos I didn't even know he was gonna direct the hobbit. I get so depressed thinking how good so many movies would be if they weren't totally controlled by "soulless corporate hacks." playing it safe, strict adherence to lazy dumbed down entertainment and whatever was successful the years before. Never pushing boundaries. All good art pushes boundaries. I can't stand corporate control freaks entirely ruining the film medium. 95% of "films" in theaters suck so much ass. Robert eggers and ari aster have been such a blessing, especially for the horror film genre itself.

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

@@danieldent2035 it's such a tragedy that Silent Hills got cancelled. Junji Ito, Guillermo del Toro, and hideo Kojima? It could have been the goddamn Messiah of horror games

[@tevinsamuel]

using Twitter to find him makes sense since its a hellhole

[@Digitalhunny]

Yeah, but notice this 'reboot' was supposed to occur _before_ the other 2 happened?? Twitter didn't exist!! These companies want _our_ money, _while_ they destroy our beloved franchise(s). I say fuck them! No more!! Keep your money & pirate the shit first. If it's worth seeing, only then pay money for a job well done. That'll teach them to politicise what we love.

[@cyrilvidal1834]

This is by far the best comment here

[@Wargoat6]

complete with demons, monsters, and the possessed.

[@liizzset]

LOL.

[@defencebangladesh4068]

Good One

[@ansrfururactions]

Hell boy's design is awesome in the originals, it conveys the fact that he clearly isn't human biologically, but he still acts and does human things, it also matches perfectly with his personality of being tough, but also somewhat casual. All without going full-on uncanny valley. The reboot, on the other hand, makes him look like a raging alcoholic who crawled into a red wine factory and came out covered in said alcohol and with two giant corks stuck in his head.

[@iguanajoe9329]

And he looks fucking amazing

[@justjade256]

theyre more like pepperonis tbh

[@kimorox813]

If the Hellboy in the originals was more reserved, less snarky and was mentally a grown up instead of a teenager, it would have been perfect for a reboot that is more faithfull to the comics

[@OrgBobaFret]

Yeah I remember seeing the original promo for this movie and thinking like ew he looks absolutely disgusting I don't even want to watch this it looks so bad -😬Mind you I love Gore movies so when I say disgusting I mean trashy and mongoloid like

[@StormX6]

I really hate the makeup for this Hellboy. It’s too thick over his mouth and eyes, Harbour can’t emote well with it on. Plus the chin it too pointy when Hellboy should have a square chin.

[@kaycee1076]

Mignola's Hellboy in the comic: Quiet, thoughtful, beleaguered by his past and his destiny, painfully aware of his temper and tries to curb it. A good, interesting character you can sympathise with Perlman's Hellboy: basically a teenager in a massive, powerful body but with all the insecurities that make him act out against the restrictions the BPRD place upon him and his friends. Conflicted between who he is and what he is, from what he knows. Uses humour to cover his sadness and confusion. Impulsive but quick thinking with it and shows the same encyclopedic knowledge of Fae creatures as his comic counterpart. A good, interesting character you can sympathise with. 2019 Hellboy: um......big, red, dumb, strong but has the finesse of a thrown brick. Half the time he doesn't want to do anything but get drunk, apparently. Doesn't seem to have any knowledge of ANY creatures in this world, his place in amongst them, or anything at all! Can't sympathise with him, can't really care about him, can't really call him Hellboy!

[@pedrosilva9497]

Damn, have a like and a smile 😐

[@rkalla]

Great summary!

[@anungunrama9344]

Wow that's the best classification of the adaptions I've read. Do you write?

[@baklapjr]

@@MrHarrystank that was a lot to read but I absolutely agree with you man.

[@creed8712]

On that have you seen the two animated movies?

[@jackblack3718]

So Mike Magnolia broke up with Del Toro because the script he made didn't fit with his vision. So he pushed forward a reboot that didn't fit with his, Del Toro or even the director's vision instead. Great job, Mike.

[@todosassd1855]

Exactly, the script is the biggest problem. It doomed the rest of the creative process.

[@alexiz0013]

Exactly!

[@electrojones]

Well, most HB stories Mignola has written introduce a threat and Hellboy punches that threat until it blows up. He's a great, amazing, moody creative mind, but not the best writer or artist.

[@eldenlean5221]

@@electrojones hes literally one of the best and most unique artists lol. The best I've seen when it comes to panelling and use of negative space. And no man, punching things in hellboy barely ever works, given that he is up against eldritch abominations and mythological creatures. It didnt work in cavendish hall(liz' fire of creation did) it didnt work against hecate(hellboys refusal to be a destroyer of worlds did) it didnt work against the worm(rogers ablity to store and conduct energy did), it didnt work against the sea witch(the mermaid and ultimatly her fathers spear did), it didnt work in the island, it didnt work against the dragon(nemues last remaining bit of humanity did), it actually did work in hell (even then it was more about hellboy accepting the destiny he forged for himself) and it didn't work at the end of the world.

[@eldenlean5221]

@@electrojones I dont want to be rude but have you actually read mignolas hellboy? Like did you more than a couple of issues? Because theres really very few comic books that are as far removed from "punching things until they blow up" barely any fight has more than a couple of panels, and when they do the insanity of whats going on is far beyond punching thing. Most of the story is about hellboy finding himself. With themes like what it means to be human, fate, freedom and destiny. All told through a mix between mythology, golden age superheroe stories and cosmic horror. Most of the story is like either a dream or a nightmare. And Im not saying this to suck hellboy or mignola off but because hellboy is notoriously abstract. Are you thinking of the BDPD comics? Because then yeah I 100% agree. I like them but it is more often than not just zapping a threat until it explodes. They still have its more abstract character moments but its nothing compared to the degree hellboy does it.

[@MyBenjamin73]

Pearlman's Hellboy had yellow eyes, but his pupils were round, and when you looked into his face you could see a soft, caring soul. Harbor's Hellboy's eyes are demonic, and cat-like; he was designed to look ugly on purpose and the lack of a human aspect to the character hurt this aspect rather than help it

[@outlawscar3328]

I mean he's already a 7 foot tall bright red demon. How alien do you need him to look. Why in God's name would you make your central character even harder to read and connect with?

[@maple5212]

I think it could have worked if you had someone who could work makeup like Doug Jones under there but that’s a very specific skill and I felt like Harbor couldn’t get through it all

[@johnDoe-gv8si]

also apparently he can't be with a human.

[@parkeranimations3671]

@Drown the Socialists why are you bringing in politics?

[@sandyn3384]

@Drown the Socialists what does his politics gotta do with it? You're the kind of person that just- get antagonized about everything, don't cha.

[@TheSpectacularSpider-man905]

At first I was so angry about Abe not being in it I hadn't realized how bad it was

[@lissaquon607]

Abe got to be spared this. It feels like Del Toro got him in the divorce.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

The first two movies took so much away from Abe, mainly it was him that killed Rasputin, and he and Liz were together

[@Isthisjoebiden]

​@@lissaquon607😂😂😂😂😂 YALL FUNNY ASF

[@ploonette222]

Spoilers, but when Abe's hand showed up in the final shot of the movie, that was the only thing that made me excited in the whole movie, I absolutely did not care for the other two characters in the movie.

[@TruthTALKA]

I just saw the movie and thorougjly enjoyed it, I have no idea why yall are saying its so bad

[@bryt1040]

Small mistake- not all monsters are allergic to metal, just fairies. And since pig boy is a changling fairy, it hurt him. The iron box trick would only work against a small percentage of monsters

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

I think it’s just iron, anyway.

[@brontsmoth671]

Cold forged iron specifically.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@brontsmoth671 I always took the cold iron thing to be along the lines of a taste of cold steel.

[@-thesalemcrow-5941]

I think you're just overthinking it

[@comfortsuites4465]

@@brontsmoth671 cold forged iron is just a word... like HOt lead. iron is the classic anti FAE stuff. also loadstones( the hint is magmatism)

[@livgriffin6831]

I remember loving the originals when I was a little girl so much because Ron Pearlman made the the character so endearing and sympathetic without feeling campy or awkward. There was also the perfect balance of exposition enough to keep 8 year old me entertained

[@agnesohlsen1621]

Same. Del Toro's two Hellboy movies where among my favourite movies growing up. The characters and the universe they live in is both perfectly fantastical but also relatable and compelling. The remake made me extremely dissapointed, and sad thinking of what could have been.

[@treyatkinson7564]

I love reading people's feelings towards the older movies. I didn't see them until I was a teen, well after their theatrical release, but I wish I could've seen them at a younger age. Still some of the most fun I've had with a comic movie

[@NerdyFluffball]

From what I’m reading, Pearlman’s portrayal was pretty comic accurate. Either that or it inspired Hellboy performances after it.

[@idiot_city5444]

He was awful lol... he's completely unlikeable and hes terrible at his job. Harbor isn't any better, all the movies are trash

[@ragnartellevson1870]

@@idiot_city5444 yep, Harbor looked better though. Perlman was garbage all round, but both were not great.

[@saoliath5000]

the thing is, while the comics are dark, they completely misinterpreted it. Hellboy as a comic is essentially like a noir. its generally not intended to be overtly comedic 99% of the time

[@alternateaccount3898]

"Its darker huh? So we make the movie say fuck a lot and add a lot of blood!"

[@tiellimilin6622]

They marvelfied it

[@conormullins4900]

@@alternateaccount3898 could be used to describe almost every adult cartoon

[@arlaghdoth4434]

It's the reboot of Devil May Cry all over again. They think being dark and mature means having blood and swearing every 10 seconds.

[@nitroxylictv]

That was the same problem with Batman. Sure, Christian Bale and the others played good characters, but he isnt supposed to be an undefeatable superhero like a marvel character. He was supposed to be a broken down man trying to restore justice with what he had. Batman was never meant to be a PG or even a PG-13 character. He was always meant to be an R character with very dark settings. I think Hollywood just assumes that children are the main audience for everything, so naturally that meant dematurazing HellBoy but readding R elements to bring in the "adults". We havent had a good R movie in years that isnt a horror film or Deadpool. Everything else with the big red R either has weird sex scenes or just too much cussing and gore. Blade Runner 2049 is another good example of an R movie that knows its boundaries.

[@AluminumFusion22]

Del Toro, despite being known as a horror director, tends to add a lot of levity to his films to not make them traumatizing or edgy. His films at their very best acknowledge the beauty of the grotesque without getting edgy or violent. Hellboy did this very well. The character in the original two films had the mentality of a teenager and only acted tough as a means of masking his real feelings. He could also be snarky but with redeemable traits too, like his love for kittens.

[@nextgenstatus]

yes! 💯% agree

[@kudosbudo]

Have you not seen Pans labyrinth? Thats very definition of edgy and traumatizing.

[@mayasixtus1573]

His film's are ALL fairytales. Sometime its a Disney Pic, sometimes it's a Brother's Grimm, but it's a Fairytale first and a horror movie second. Hence why Crimson Peak was a beautiful mess, hence why his Hellboy films worked.

[@kelly5693]

The last time I was this early, Ron Perlman was still a big red demon starring in an incredible film series helmed by a visionary genius.

[@Boomie_365]

@carlos Rivas The comics are excellent, this movie takes the comics and omits what works and keeps what doesn't.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@carlos Rivas the comics are good but this movie basically did the equivalent of rebooting the avengers and shoving every avergeners movie into one single rushed piece of shite

[@WaRLoKWYATT]

Hellboy 2 sucked.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@WaRLoKWYATT i liked it the elf bad guy wasnt super good but the monsters the golden army and that most epic form of the grim reaper plud the coll new character i came to love just as much the gas guy

[@kyotheman69]

why im so pissed we didn't get third movie i wanted to see Hell boys kids already

[@Montesama314]

It's so fucked up that a man's good-hearted effort to make a dying child smile through tragedy... Would end up leading to THIS cinematic tragedy.

[@unkledoda420]

If that kid was still alive when this dumpster fire came out i can guarantee he wasn't smiling anymore .

[@kiillabytez]

I don't see why everyone's so butt-hurt over this movie. I mean, if you've got a hard-on for Ron Perlman I could understand, but the movie isn't as bad as you like to think it is. I get it, it's fun to be part of something, and if hating on something makes you feel like you fit in, who's to say?

[@nashbutler]

@@kiillabytezthe movie was one of the biggest wastes of time I’ve ever seen

[@kiillabytez]

@@nashbutler Sorry about yer luck. What would you like me to tell you then?

[@IAMSONICTH3H3DG3H0G]

It's a good movie, just not a good Hellboy movie. ​@@kiillabytez

[@Crazyivan777]

The Agent Ruiz death made me so furious. It was based on a throw-away bit in the BPRD comics where they mention that, when Hellboy ran away from the organization, he spent a few years in Mexico hunting down vampires with a trio of Luchador brothers, all of whom succumbed to vampirism themselves. That's a whole gosh darn movie right there, and they wrote it off with the piece of garbage that was the 'opening' scene here.

[@doolittlecraftsmann302]

That'd be cool.

[@motherplayer]

Even sadder was that was the emotional highlight of the film. Seeing him come back and his frustration in seeing his name etched into the wall of the fallen said wonders and then the film is just a dumb splatter comedy from that point.

[@antonymilne1346]

Imagine a movie where we got to meet and grow to care for the three brothers only at the end having them being the final climactic battle, Hellboy having to break his own heart to do what's right, killing people who he's come to care for as brothers. Better than "I threw a bat dude onto a wooden wrestling ring pole"

[@ghoultooth]

@@antonymilne1346 for sure. They royally fucked this reboot up

[@ComicBookGuy420]

So the fact that he killed Esteban the exact same way he did in Hellboy in Mexico means nothing? Or the fact that he spent a lot of time drunk in Mexico after the fact?

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

Not to mention most of the exposition in Hellboy 1 & 2 was done by John Hurt. That man could read me my grocery list and I would feel like I was about to climb Mount Doom. RIP.

[@leeandramurphy5903]

That wan't John Hurt. That was Ron Perlman.

[@mickflick8133]

​@@leeandramurphy5903 Ron Perlman played Hellboy's dad? I had no idea at all.

[@DarthLesbian]

I feel bad because I get the sense the actors were really trying their best but the failures were coming from above

[@cheeseycarp5364]

yea david harbour is a really good actor its sad that they made him portray the writers version of hellboy

[@victorm152]

sigh...studio executives, am I right?

[@Gabronthe]

Yeah, I agree. I imagine he must have been trying really hard.

[@somejew9163]

So this movie is the equivalent of working at Fred Meyers?

[@GettinJiggyWithGenghis]

I agree with your comment but I downvoted your get it back to 666 for obvious reasons

[@Notsram77]

I keep seeing the argument "They're making it to be more like the comics." when the tone of this film is nothing like the comics. EDIT: I can't reply to all of you, but I said TONE. Show me in the comics where they were filled with gore and profanity? The comics are methodical; atmospheric. They're a slow burn punctuated by Hellboy's cynicism and sense of humor.

[@gyphryphobia]

You were clearly paying attention to the wrong narrative. This movie is exactly what I took away from the comics. The fact you don't see it can't be helped however I highly encourage you to do a re-read.

[@whenyoucoolasacucumber]

@@gyphryphobia speedreader detected

[@ethanwestfall7421]

@@gyphryphobia Lmao you obviously didn't read well enough yourself

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Really? The Wild Hunt was positively Apocalyptic, sure there were some changes, but the movie was fairly close, not only to that but also Hellboy in Mexico and several other issues they drew inspiration Sure they streamlined a couple of characters and outright changed a couple others involvement I'm curious as to how you didn't see it, having read the comics and all

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@gyphryphobia right? Especially the set up for the hunt itself, and when they betrayed Hellboy

[@n7reject993]

I LOVE the original two Hellboy films. Also, how Hellboy manages to get his enormous right hand through his coat sleeve is beyond me.

[@pink5830]

I´ve always asked myself the same thing...

[@Tj_Druid]

maybe with the magic of velcro :'o

[@Silver_wind_1987_]

As some say velcro. Or magnets. My friend makes casual clothing for disabled people who have trouble getting dressed...he used magnets, buttons and various other items to make it easier to dress

[@joaorebochooaw6321]

I guess it's a matter of taste. Hellboy 2 is easily one of the worst popular films I can think of off the top of my head. Hellboy 1 was bad but at least it was fun. I can say as much for this new version. Hellboy 2 however was really awful

[@Silver_wind_1987_]

@@joaorebochooaw6321 uhh the old hell boy? I enjoyed it....I liked how sweet hell boy was and how he adored kitty's and when he pat them he'd wag his tail

[@sarasaland4709]

Imagine an underworld demon granting the wish of a six year-old boy. That’s part of why Ron Perlman is a legend.

[@HiyoruMikiyazoya]

His arm looks extremely foamy at times. I never got the vibe that Perlman's arm was made of anything but stone, yet it too was made of foam.

[@SkullZerker]

I didn’t even realize Perlman’s fist was made of foam!

[@kylepirko9251]

Are you serious? That wasn't his real arm? The hell you say.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

I think it also to do with how the actor wields it. I know with some prosthetics they add weight to the arm/leg etc then put digital affects over it after, to give it a more realistic feel.

[@colinmartin9797]

Perlman's hellboy performance was so perfect that he is routinely called in to coach actors on how to act while wearing extreme prosthetics.

[@bricaaron3978]

@@colinmartin9797 *"Perlman's hellboy performance was so perfect that he is routinely called in to coach actors on how to act while wearing extreme prosthetics."* But interestingly, not the guy who's doing the new Hellboy performance.

[@alexmarkadonis7179]

I would rather have seen Del Toro's third installment.

[@charmandyorton006]

I wish it was a finished trilogy

[@redgrapes7546]

What were they gonna name the twins? The people need an answer!

[@anthonythanghe4755]

Everyone wishes this.

[@cosmicdoggo9296]

You do know that at a end of a movie the fire girl i forgot here name sade that she is pregnent with twins we could of have Dante and Virgil atleast some alternet wersion of them

[@jamesgilbert6023]

@@charmandyorton006 same here

[@silverscorpio24]

I was severely depressed when Del Torro didn't make his third Hellboy movie

[@victorm152]

And it would've had Bruce Campbell as Lobster Johnson

[@Dedfaction]

@@victorm152 Bruce Campbell? Del Toro? Hellboy? Stop, I can only get so erect.

[@jacemachine]

Not me. Hellboy 2 was garbage.

[@kyotheman69]

no shit, i wanted trilogy already, plus i wanted to see Hellboy kids

[@kyotheman69]

@@jacemachine 2 was great movie, better then first visuals and story, just to bad not enough people went and saw it

[@johnnyjay6959]

Critical Drinker recently did an interview with the director of the Hellboy reboot. The director said he wasn’t in charge with the movie. He was told he was and would be able to make a horror Hellboy but they switched up and then a producer kept stepping in and messing with shit in post

[@Isthisjoebiden]

Almost all the issues with movies nowadays in studio oversight. They are completely out of touch with the average audience

[@Gmthekiller]

You watch critical drinker? Opinion discarded

[@johnnyjay6959]

@@Gmthekiller lmfao

[@Zerovin]

@@Gmthekiller mate what he wrote was literally a fact of what happened, not an opinion. cry all you like but if something happened with literal footage, you discarding his"opinion" makes you look like a child covering his ears having a tantrum about not getting his way

[@02wibja]

I honestly did not know that they rebooted Hellboy. And I still wish that I didn't know

[@CynicalReviews]

You and me both.

[@Minotaurus-te4yg]

@@CynicalReviews on the one hand i hate you for bringing it to my attention on the other hand i am gratefull to you because now i am prepared and won't watch it when comes around a corner (in form of a recommendation).

[@generichuman2044]

Yeah this was news to me too. Something else that has been ruined by the sounds of things

[@kyotheman69]

it was suppose to be third movie, but director backed away because higher ups were pissing him off, so Perelman didn't want to do it when director dropped out.

[@Karmy.]

Same

[@Kurdinov83]

I really hated how most of the people defending this movie took the "BuT ItS FaIThFuL To ThE CoMiC!!!" stance. No it wasn't, just because it took like 10 storylines and made all of them a disservice! Hellboy swearing like an edgy teen and the gratuitous gore doesn't even come CLOSE to the comic!! And don't get me started on the Lobser Johnson cameo... that fucking sucked.

[@paulw5039]

@Owen Buckner Also, film is a different medium in so many ways to a book/comic. It requires a very different structure, presentation, pacing, etc and stubbornly neglecting this in order to be 'true' to the book/movie just makes for a poorly constructed movie.

[@AndyT81]

I couldn’t even finish the movie, that’s how bad I found it

[@silashurd3597]

I’ve never read the comics, but actually like this movie

[@josephnorton1168]

I just liked the movie because it was fun to watch and i watched the first two movies and read the comics

[@stevenguerra1626]

At first, I actually didn't know Del Toro and Magnolia used actual stories from the actual comics for their movie(s). Reason being when I saw The Lobster in the reboot, I thought it was a joke.

[@Sriver14]

I really wish Del Toro would have been given the chance to make a third Hellboy....oh well, I'm satisfied with the first two. This new one is non-existent to me.

[@darkartsdabbler2407]

I also would've loved it if he got to do his Pacific Rim sequel

[@comfortsuites4465]

the troll market scene... from Del toros run looked.. so.... cool.

[@intheclear3492]

@@comfortsuites4465 That it did

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Why, the giant fight was almost panel for panel comic book accurate

[@ReapermanUK]

@@ComicBookGuy420 so your telling us the comic book is shite

[@ccateni28]

Neil got interviewed by Critical Drinker, he confirmed the rumors the studios was in control on the film. He even said he didn't see the script until after he signed on and couldn't change anything due to the studio.

[@PirateKingBoros]

WOAH seriously??

[@Horrormaster13]

Hellboy (2019) is easily one of the worst films I saw in 2019 with an uninspired and generic storyline, boring and uninteresting characters, some terrible CGI effects, an awful villain and a humor that don't land at all. The only two positive things I can give this movie was David Harbor as Hellboy even though he wasn't nearly as great as Ron Perlman was from the two previous Guillermo Del Toro's Hellboy films and the Baba Yaga scene. Otherwise this film is a complete misfire. The fact that we got this pointless and bad Reboot instead of Guillermo Del Toro's Hellboy 3 with Ron Perlman is really depressing.

[@CynicalReviews]

Amen.

[@emmajohnson6654]

I watched this film for the first time today and it was not worth the time I spent on it. I agree with you 100% that the film had 2 redeeming qualities in David Harbour and the Baba Yaga. Maybe the scene at the end with the demons killing people but it was such a short scene.

[@uno9331]

He was not a good hell boy at all he only appears to be because the rest of the cast is trash he wins by a technicality not by actual merit he’s the worst choice they could’ve picked honestly would’ve been done better by the rock (I hate the rocks acting) that’s how bad of a choice he is being uninterested and having a deep voice and big frame isn’t enough to be hell boy his characteristics go beyond that

[@jimjam7928]

I'll actually go one further and say that David Harbour was fucking terrible in this movie. I had no idea what he and the writers were going for with this version of Hellboy; one minute he's a wise detective who knows exactly how to deal with every type of monster imaginable, the next he's a loping buffoon who sounds and acts like he can barely read let alone strategise and investigate. And the SHOUTING. Throughout the film Harbour is just yelling for no reason. It's so more annoying because you know they all thought people would find it hilarious. The only redeeming qualities were Ian McShane playing Ian McShane and, surprisingly, Milla Jovovich. Everyone else bordered on monotone to completely indecipherable.

[@SomeGuy-xg5nl]

Hellboy (2019) is by far the worst movie i've seen this year

[@industrialillusions22]

I hated how almost everyone spoke with the over dramatic & intense line delivery like they're in an epic anime villains monologue.....

[@asher8754]

How is it in an inappropriate setting they do that but when an actual anime adaptation is made they then tone it down.

[@Virakotxa]

Right? It totally felt like a straight to China dubbed B-movie...

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Alice's pure British dialogue was over dramatic?

[@jerushamaxwell281]

@@ComicBookGuy420 It was weird that Alice - a white, red-haired Irish gal in the comics, was portrayed in the reboot as black and British. I'm all for diversity, but the actress simply wasn't Alice.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@jerushamaxwell281 I know, as a redhead, I have no idea why Hollywood hates gingers between that, the weird ass way they showed her powers and Babayaga frenching hellboy they made some seriously stupid mistakes

[@SunsetEnvy]

Older hellboy was actually hotter lmao And his tail had actual movement not a rubber worm bs thing

[@quintessential8361]

👁👄👁

[@53subscribersnovideos35]

HUH?

[@indominuswrex9465]

Yes I concur... the first Hellboy def awakened something in me.

[@lordsolrak1713]

@@indominuswrex9465 yup , both mine and your gayness :v

[@darriusrobertson5373]

You exposing yourself.

[@realsanmer]

As a beginner reader of the comics, and having watched the first movie recently while the second one a long time ago, what I love about Hellboy is that he's "lame cool". Like, his backstory is geniunely cool, and so are his powers and design, but whenever he chooses to quip or try to sound badass, it comes out as lame or goofy, and I fucking *adore* that. It makes him sound more human and loveable. He also doesn't curse much for being... you know..., which is refreshing. 2019 Hellboy, on the other hand, is basically the opposite. No hate to Harbor or anything, it was the script's fault tbh

[@icecreamchief5417]

Yeah, you can perform garbage beautifully, but in the end, it's still garbage

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

It's also funny that everyone is cool around him despite the fact he is a hulking demon

[@smg3250]

"Then all the monsters get sucked back into the sewer. I mean, underworld." That. Stupid. Scene.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Yeah I enjoy the movie, and will usually defend it, but that rewind was horrible

[@HypercomboProduction]

Or the same 6 actors that die like 25 times throughout the movie and is especially more noticeable during the demon rampage scenes.

[@deadjuice1880]

Pearlman version: Ackward, but charming. Reboot version: Always looks like he's sitting in a chair about to fall asleep, even when standing.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

He was falling asleep while sending the demons back to hell?

[@deadjuice1880]

@@ComicBookGuy420 Somehow, yeah

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@deadjuice1880 somehow that doesn't explain what you meant

[@royalfoil5413]

Why the hell does the pig boy creature in the flashback remind me of Scrappy Doo from that live action Scooby Doo movie?

[@mowganashwey]

Lmao spot on

[@toonpacha2396]

Dude, I’m glad it wasn’t me being weird. I half-expected the gang to roll up with a net trap

[@estebanperez2557]

Probably has something to do with the shit CG

[@anikmonette2140]

Physics. These animations lacks realistic physics and weight so everything seems unrestrained and weightless.

[@wolfbane7497]

We don't talk about that movie

[@ennou1236]

The original makes the professor and the general to be overall good guys since they collectively agree to not kill him because he's just a kid, sure the general doesn't like hellboy in the future but it can simply explained as a disgruntled uncle and rowdy nephew dynamic

[@aculeatus943]

When I was young I had a crush on Hellboy because of how the actor portrayed him, this one is just..not even close to as good as Pearlman's.

[@belladie4110]

Aculeatus i had a huge crush too!! still do lol

[@aculeatus943]

@@belladie4110 Same here lol

[@eiosti]

BROOO ME TOOOO

[@marcusmartin5758]

He's making you all moist. The end is near.

[@kayden5238]

pearlman has the face that noone else can copy he's the only face of Hellboy

[@WelshEll]

Finally somebody actually said it!!! When I heard the "british" accent it just took me straight out of the film. If only there was a country filled with people with that accent....

[@Debicus]

That would be so convenient! If only...

[@pockmock11]

Even if that country existes I doubt it would have any good actors

[@Soridan]

@@pockmock11 Good thing that wasn't a requirement for the movie, what with the end result.

[@jensaversjo316]

I'm ashamed that I thought the shifter dude's accent sounded British-ish. But I'm a non-native speaker so probably why I thought it did.

[@MaxWell-ty8yj]

Noone going to mention that hellboy looks like he got smacked with a frying Pan a few to many times? Like who the hell thought it looked cool

[@danielwood6833]

IKR I saw the first poster where he was shirtless, holding the sword and surrounded by red fire and his face looked awesome. What happened between the making of that poster and the actual filming?

[@DefinitelyNotMichael19]

No one

[@MaxWell-ty8yj]

@@DefinitelyNotMichael19 No one

[@neatoburrito9045]

I actually like the makeup. Like, the original Hellboy isn’t comic accurate but it’s better than the reboot in every way. But I legit think that the makeup in the remake is better. Ron Perlman’s just looked too smooth to me; IMO Hellboy is supposed to be ugly and I think that the Harbour makeup captures that.

[@SlantedRoofN1N3]

My girlfriend noticed when Hellboy gets knocked on the ground from one of the giants, his armored hand is somehow on his left hand for the rest of the scene lol then instantly swaps back.

[@d-brothers3112]

Del Toro added the whole "hide monsters from society" aspect. In the comics, magic and demons are commonplace and The BPRD isn't really a secret. But I do agree that the movie doesn't do a good job establishing that.

[@jimjam7928]

The fact everything is so secretive in this movie muddies the water even more.

[@thegillmanedits]

@@jimjam7928 I don't understand why you say this. Everything is literally out in the open. It's clear from the beginning. The only secretive shit is the plots within the plot.

[@comfortsuites4465]

thats something never understood in the hell boy comics. and i read 90% of them. Normal people didnt seem very phased by hell boys looks. its like they think.. oh... hes odd.. then move on. i kinda suspected a ..er... mind effect? that makes people accept him as real.

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

@@comfortsuites4465 Hellboy was a celebrity in the 50s when he started out as a BPRD agent, appearing on the covers of magazines and having kids on the street come up and ask him for an autograph. Fact of the matter is, most regular people just regarded him as a guy like everybody else.

[@Maphteah]

@@thegillmanedits you say that, but they have the whole hidden in a chip shop thing, so there's *some* level of secrecy?

[@beefstewe7876]

Damn I didn’t realize they were close to making a third with toro and pearl man but it fell through. That would have been sick! I love the first two.😭

[@fikilesukati5259]

Me too

[@lordbanetheplayer8844]

He was way too whiny. I prefer the Del Toro ones, to be honest.

[@Daud-ix4tm]

@Mark Ledgerwood I love David but this movie was not his movie tbh.

[@TitoSilvey]

"How big can it be?" still gets me chuckling all these years later and I think that's all that needs to be said about how good that films writing is

[@PixelOverload]

ftr, hellboy was never really considered a "secret" in the comics. he (and the BPRD itself) was generally not well known to the public and he was mostly given out-of-the-way cases to deal with where rumours wouldn't spread far, but he wasn't "classified" or anything (at least not since he was a child and actually joined as an agent). Most of that changed after the plague of frogs though and most of the world was generally aware of the paranatural and the BPRD. The storyline with the vampires and getting drunk in mexico seems to be an adaptation of a few of his travels in mexico from his early days as an agent when he was basically a rebellious teenager looking for freedom in his life. He'd made a mistake, got depressed, drunk, ended up staring in a few mexican wrestling films as "el diablo" in a drunken stupor on the promise of more booze. An agent who was a fan of mexican wrestling films identified him in a recent tape he got and brought it to bruttenholm's* attention, and he sent hellboy's closest friend in the agency to pick him up iirc. I haven't seen the movie yet so i don't know the context in which they adapted but from the looks of it i'd say it's a pretty disappointing insult to the powerful character development that arc provided. *just thought i'd mention my auto-correct thought his name should be "buttonhole" and i lost it.

[@FlashakaViolet]

buttonhole xD

[@ghostguru9156]

Yeah, but he’s referring to the other movies. He’s stated he hasn’t read the comics at all so he was only pulling info of what he knew from the movies. In the movies, he was a secret so he assumed that he would be a secret in this movie too

[@PixelOverload]

@@ghostguru9156 I'm aware, he said as much in the video, I was providing context from the comics for anyone interested.

[@jitd9716]

The sources they drew from were almost accurate to the Comics, far closer than Del Toro. The problem, as per my understanding , was that they took too many threads and tried to stitch them all together. If they could follow just one story it might have been better. Most of the people, again my personal opinion, seem to have no reading of the Comics and thus draw their analogies from the Del Toro versions. I didn't like the movie as it seemed to me that they started with a high ambition and then somehow in the middle came to the realization that they can't carry it through and gave us this incomplete and incoherent mess. People complain about Harbour's looks have clearly not read a page of the Comics. This look was far closer to the books than the Del Toro versions.

[@PixelOverload]

@@jitd9716 that's pretty much my opinion on the movie as well, tends to be a problem with a lot of movie adaptations of long franchises (the original lemony snicket movie mashing up the first 3 books for example)

[@NovaKnight_]

quick answer: *because it didn’t need to happen. like ........ at all. literally no one asked for this.*

[@CynicalReviews]

And yet, here we are.

[@NovaKnight_]

@Chrome_Msrt You know what I mean, I'm talking about reboots. They're pointless. Do you want a Titanic reboot?

[@atomsmasher703]

@@NovaKnight_ Lmao

[@jay.hartman1789]

@Chrome_Msrt Right, but things like Angry Birds 2 should not, for any reason, exist. NO ONE thought that would be a good idea... and yet we have it.

[@rodriguezreviews838]

I wanted it, I loved the original 2 hellboy movies and I’d wished for a third or just anything more of hellboy in film, and I thought it would be great R rated. This could’ve been fantastic I really wanted to love this movie but it was just shit.

[@zyourzgrandzmaz]

I legit laughed when the Nazi dude talked and sounded like he's from Chicago and american as possible

[@ShamblesMD]

Das Bears.

[@1001-v1s]

If you mean the Nazi Hunter then I think he is American. But Da Bulls.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

You mean Lobster Johnson?

[@ziggy217]

because,,,,,, lobster johnson is an american nazi hunter? (to be clear this entire movie is shit and fully disrespected the hellboy comics so i don't blame you for not knowing who he was)

[@bricaaron3978]

​@@ziggy217 *"to be clear this entire movie is shit and fully disrespected the hellboy comics"* I haven't seen it and probably won't, but don't you think that's odd, considering Mignola wasn't happy with del Toro's Hellboys (which I love), but I assume was totally onboard with this?

[@connormccormick5636]

As far as Hellboy not doing anything to hide is identity and nobody really noticing him (except for the cop who shot him), that was actually one of the few comic accurate parts of the movie. In one of the early Hellboy and the BPRD comics, after a successful mission, the American government publicly grants him human status. Bad movie all around, but that part they kinda got right.

[@icecreamchief5417]

Honestly, it's a problem of when it was created, this may not have been a big deal and you could probably skim it, if it weren't for the previous movies that did the opposite and is more popular than the comics. If it weren't for Del Toro films, they wouldn't have the need to explain it.

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

He's like that giant chicken from Animaniacs

[@travisvaughan173]

Can we just have Ron Perlman finish his trilogy of Hellboy and pretend the reboot never happened. Just like whats happening with Ghostbusters.

[@gamble777888]

Never gonna happen, but it would be nice. Selma Blair has some extremely serious health problems and Jeffery Tambor is blacklisted from ever working again, so even if it did happen with Pearlman they would need to recast those two major roles.

[@nihilisticmonkeydancing9806]

Nothing was with Ghostbusters. There wasn't nay never nothing odd with Ghostbusters. Genderswap Ghostbusters never occured outside of Fanfiction. Nothing to see here. Nothing wrong with Ghostbusters, nay nay for sure. promised.

[@darkstraylily1477]

@@gamble777888 Why was he blacklisted? All I found was a bunch of bullshit claims in the same vein as the ones against every other individual with male genitals lol nothing about him being banned from sets

[@st3althyone]

I would’ve loved to have seen Guillermo Del Toro’s complete vision, even after the not so great second part, it would’ve been epic! And yeah, Ron Pearlman was the best Hellboy! Fuck, am I glad I skipped this excuse for a reboot, they did such a shitty job!

[@kennethfharkin]

@@darkstraylily1477 Not"every other individual with male genitals" has had multiple claims of sexual harassment filed against them. To be clear there was, and probably still is, an enormous problem with this behaviour in Hollywood. After the issue of the casting couch being an institution in Hollywood since its birth it is finally being addressed, loudly. While criminal charges are not forthcoming in most cases people are simply not hiring those who have multiple allegations of such with any credibility hurled against them. Tambor has had several. As someone who has mentored several young ladies in engineering and has a daughter about to start college in the field in the fall I have ZERO tolerance for such bullshit behaviour.

[@Megatron_95]

If memory serves me correct, I think this film had some reshoots. Why couldn't Hellboy be a animated tv series? Using the animation from Castlevania to use for the monsters/creatures

[@CynicalReviews]

I don't remember reading about reshoots, but that would explain a few things.

[@gracekim25]

Megatron 95 I don’t know much about Hell boy but that sounds cool

[@daniboy4153]

They did make two Hellboy animated movies, there could've been a chance for an animated series

[@Megatron_95]

@@daniboy4153 I know. But I want there to be more animated properties instead of live action adaptations

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Or bring back Jeff Matsuda to do character design. I'd watch the shit outta that.

[@CooperSummersVA]

You know what’s even better. The character shouldn’t even have the bad English accent cause she’s Irish

[@fascisttubeisshadowbanning6615]

Who? The (half)”Black” chick? LOL

[@phantomspaceman]

It's praiseworthy to recast the Irish woman as a black girl but it's a social outrage to recast the Asian man as a white guy. There's your "diversity."

[@----.__]

@@phantomspaceman Yep, black people tend to be the most racist people on the planet. They happily appropriate other people's culture yet cry like hell if someone has dreadlocks. Some twats even claim Beethoven was African. I wish I was joking.

[@CooperSummersVA]

@@----.__ Well that's certainly a take. Also, a bullshit take. No one race is the most racist on the planet because race doesn't define a person. Are there racist black people? Yup, but there are just as many racist caucasians, hispanics, and asians. Look at any grouping by race and there's a racist in there somewhere

[@CooperSummersVA]

@@phantomspaceman Irish people can be black dawg. The problem is her accent, not her skin color

[@terrillgoodwinejr537]

A second reboot of the film series, titled Hellboy: The Crooked Man, completed filming in May 2023.

[@alvarez332]

I was already worried when I saw articles saying "Hellboy's reboot will stay close to the comic with uncesored gore and blood" in a comic book series which had like 3 issues where gore and blood were heavily featured

[@comfortsuites4465]

:\mikes art style never made the gore in the comics bad. ofc there was gore. even exploded tentacle monsters. but the ART didnt focus on the bits;\ and meat;\

[@TCZ17090]

I honestly knew it was going to be garbage because of one word “reshoots”

[@CynicalReviews]

Those are never a good sign.

[@billavanilla956]

Cynical Reviews sometimes welp according to the rise of Skywalker leaks of reshoots, I won’t expect to good either.

[@catendway4754]

Are there any movies that were improved by reshoots that even exist?

[@TCZ17090]

IsabellatheCat there’s only one I can think of and that’s Scott Pilgrim VS the World, where Edgar Wright reshot the ending because test audiences hated it and it actually was a reshoot that I agree with. I won’t spoil if you haven’t seen it, but I respect the decision because it was a director taking constructive criticism for the sake of making a better product for his customers

[@kelly5693]

@@catendway4754 Rogue Juan was improved; we got the Vader hallway scene, and a few other good additions, entirely in the re-shoots.

[@phousefilms]

I wish we got a third Guillermo Del Toro one, since there was the threat the Angel of Death gives to Liz about her suffering more than any and the danger of Hellboy destroying the world if he was saved from the magic spear. Everything Del Toro does is done with so much care and detail. The featurette about the Troll Market in "the Golden Army"was so great, just shows all his ideas! I love it.

[@sukiitheartist4803]

PH5121 freaking loved the troll market. Absolutely loved thst

[@bricaaron3978]

@@sukiitheartist4803 That scene had such a huge impact on me the first time I saw it. Of course, I've seen it so many times now that it's easy to forget how strange and unique it was at my first glimpse. I'm sensitive to atmosphere, and the way that certain environments--specific spaces, shapes, and structures create certain "feelings". Coming into the Troll Market for the first time was unbelievable!

[@phousefilms]

@@bricaaron3978 I love the featurette where Del Toro shows how the trolls are stealing electricity and how their restaurant menus are missing children photos.

[@d3ltaohniner261]

29:50 "... the British army never used M-16's". In fact the British SAS has used M16 variants for decades, though the variant shown may not be an accurate portrayal of the exact model variants used.

[@hudhihu2545]

The comics are superb, they actually got me back into comics after taking a five plus year hiatus. Would love to see an animated series done in mignola’s style

[@thechroniclesofthesuperhob167]

The animated films are pretty good, and done in that style.

[@Kaenzer]

@@thechroniclesofthesuperhob167 They are pretty good, especially Blood and Iron, but not done in Mignola's style. The only thing I can think off done in his style is the Screw-On Head pilot.

[@thewkovacs316]

@@Kaenzer screw on head shouldve gone to series

[@catiniatadoesart4874]

@@Kaenzer I realize this is a bit of an old post to reply to, but yes screw on head is the only one in his style. And Mignola unfortunately publicly came out as not liking it visually XD. Apparently he enjoys it better when other artists do their own rendition of his work instead of mimicking his style, which he thought was what screw was doing. Too bad, I thought it was great.

[@bangobob3563]

Seriouslyyyyy why haven't they just animated the comics? Like literally start at the beginning of his origin and go through each issue it would be phenomenal

[@afluffywhitekitty8589]

One of my favourite weird details in the comic is that for some inexplicable reason, no one bats an eye at hellboy's appearance nor what his existence implies. He meets so many random normal people and they just dont' care.

[@georgeburchett1702]

"mornign demon that could bring about the universes death" morning craig

[@mariadocarmosobreira8323]

Think that he lives in a world where Superman makes the news every day. Also, where the Justice League includes even a Martian and where Swamp Thing also has made the news. It's not like Hellboy is not a part of the rest of the DC universe. Besides, in the comics he's famous as a paranormal detective all over the world. He's been the cover of The Times and People Magazine.

[@devineveraert796]

@@mariadocarmosobreira8323 ummmm he’s not a part of the dc universe.

[@duffman18]

@@mariadocarmosobreira8323 what the fuck gave you the idea that Hellboy is made by DC Comics!? It's not, and has never been, made by DC comics (or marvel comics for that matter). It's made by Dark Horse comics Seriously I don't know where you possibly could have got the idea that it's part of DC. Like, the films aren't Warner Bros films, even.

[@kenzieuchiha1191]

@@duffman18 Likely got the idea because he makes a guest appearance in Injustice 2 which was made by Warner Bros' game studio Netherealm.

[@UhYeahNoThanks]

It was just all over the place. Wise cracking and one liners one second, then one dude getting skinned alive and bisected the next. At least the Perlman Hellboy had a consistent tone

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Hey remember Hellboy and Liz getting together in the Movies Never happened in the comics She was with Abe But yeah, consistency is important👍

[@emperorgameling5064]

@@ComicBookGuy420 I don't think you understand what he means by "consistent"

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@emperorgameling5064 I do The Del Toro movies had Hellboy cracking jokes one moment, and horror themes the next So did the comics I was just choosing to believe somone wasn't being so overtly hypocritical

[@Lucios1995]

I like gore, and i got turned off because of how out of nowhere it came from

[@georgeohwell7428]

Reboots are propaganda vehicles. They were doing mind programming.

[@soupinhyperspace3179]

Cats, candy bars, and the like make him relatable. Its hard to relate or support an alcoholic unless there is a good redemption arc.

[@ivanfrias2605]

Hellboy in Mexico, thats what youre looking for, its great

[@thelion117]

The scene where Hellboy's boss shows him about the difference in lighting a cigar with zippo and a match was, honestly, my favorite part of all three movies so far.

[@0205-z9y]

it's also applicable in real life, no cigar smoker lights them with zippoes

[@Xvladin]

@@0205-z9y I dont understand this. I just use a bic

[@masterzoroark6664]

i found the scene with locker rooms funny

[@jedimadrox]

we are all appreciating Guillermo del Toro, even more.

[@Trampflick]

Did everybody just forget how terrible hellboy 2 was?

[@juanpablomontalvo4715]

Samcanuck Hellboy 2 wasn’t a bad movie, it wasn’t even meh. It was a good movie with god damn beutiful character design, way better than even the first one and most of Del Toro’s other work

[@lenospre]

@@Trampflick idk what movie u watched but hellboy 2 was better than the first one and I loved the first one

[@Trampflick]

@@lenospre As I watched it, with its cheesy forced love story, and lame battle against robots; I told my wife, if this movie breaks out into song, I'm shutting it off. Then Hellboy and Abraham started singing. Like Rick said, I don't care about your boo's because I know what makes you cheer. Number 2 made you cheer, than who cares if you didn't like this one, you literally like crap.

[@kyfarm]

Exactly. Because they axed Guillermo, and because of that lost Perlman, I don't have any desire to see this new one.

[@fulcrum6760]

In the comics, everyone knows Hellboy exists.

[@Warpwaffel]

And the UN granted him honorary human status in 1952.

[@Joaoxorubatsu]

Yup. I was going to say that. But let this reviewer have his rage against something he created in his head. This being "he need to stay a secret".

[@ivancerecer5758]

@@Joaoxorubatsu but how is a non-comic book reader supposed to know that everyone knows Hellboy? It would be kinda confusing for a viewer who has never heard of Hellboy before on why the people around are not freaking out when seeing a literal demon

[@charmander466]

Yeah but in the movie it's not made clear. Especially when he gets shot at, it makes it seem like he's unknown. I was confused watching it but assumed no one cared, but it wasn't explained so I was never sure.

[@Joaoxorubatsu]

The point is that there's need to be like the other movie. The reviewer started with this "In the other movie was secret, so in this movie it need to be, otherwise it's wrong." You don't need to know anything about the comics to see the this twisted logic.

[@BeefSupreme138]

I love Ian McShane but I also think this Professor Broom was one of the worst things about this movie, he’s too cold, too mean, and doesn’t serve as an inspiration or a great father figure. He just felt like Hellboy’s boss that he kinda was chummy with at their friendliest moments. John Hurt’s Broom was friendly, smart, genuinely loved Hellboy because he didn’t see a demon, just a baby that needed help, and he served as one of Hellboy’s biggest moral compasses.

[@cerebralsmash5707]

I was pissed at this movie so much. Hellboy was done dirty and we won’t see another for a long time

[@DefinitelyNotMichael19]

But.....there's another part.....Nooooo

[@TripleDeckerSupreme]

David Arbour could've pulled off Hellboy, but they shouldn't have overdone his face with a mask. Not only does it make him slightly less expressive, unlike Ron Pearlman's makeup, but it also disadvantages whenever he speaks, because the mask is so thick.

[@coolgreenbug7551]

Yeah, I wouldn't say he was the best part of the film, but I always bought him as Hellboy in the movie

[@kudosbudo]

Wait do folk actually think Ron Pearlmans mask was expressive? It literally never moves in the films. You can't even tell when he is supposed to be smiling! Do folk actually watch the films and form their own opinions anymore or do folk just go off what youtube vid they watched last now?

[@ReapermanUK]

nah, he''s a crap actor compared to pearlman

[@jamesbaggett7223]

@@kudosbudo It was around the eyes. My other issue was the teeth. Harbour's version had his teeth all mangled and chipped up meanwhile Del Toro's HB had the blocky white chiclets that he has in the comics.

[@KiNG-xu5ne]

⁠@@ReapermanUK as an actor he’s way better than pearlman, as a hellboy its not a really a fair comparison since the script for the reboot was so awful so was the directing

[@raendzel2630]

Why is the BPRD involved here? In the books this movie was based on Hellboy had already quit the BPRD. What is this movie?

[@chaseurias8874]

Ben Stansbery well also professor brutenholm has been dead for like 2 books

[@Sammo212]

I mean, being comic accurate is something this movie is certainly not. I am fine with the change in timeline if the tone and stuff was accurate. As much as I like the del toro films the changes from the comic were stupid imo.

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

@@chaseurias8874 2? Try nine. Bruttenholm died in the very first arc, Seed of Destruction.

[@chaseurias8874]

@@Mrcryptidsarereal I guess I have been reading the omnibus so wild hunt is the third and this movie seems to be wild hunt

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

@@chaseurias8874 Oh, I was counting based on trade paperback collections

[@loverofmyths]

What really gets me is that LITERALLY ALL OF THESE STORYLINES AND CHARACTERS MOTIVES ARE FULLY EXPLAINED IN THE COMICS!! They messed them up so badly that the whole movie didn't make any sense! He doesn't even look like Hellboy because they wanted to make him "different" than the del Toro version- which actually looked like Hellboy 🙄

[@mrwoosh5181]

Ron said no and del toro said no. Studio: it’s fine we’ll reboot the movies because the fans love reboots o_O

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Ron said no because Del Toro said no

[@Vladshock]

Funny, I absolutely despise reboots.

[@casper6405]

@@Vladshock well reboots can work if they're done right But mostly they aren't so I see why you hate them

[@FlurryJoe]

Del Toro is the Jim Henson of fantasy movies. His work will withstand the tests of time. Any attempts to reboot his work will be pale in comparison.

[@RectorFilm]

Agreed 100% never thought of it that way, I buy up anything Jim Henson or his production company made up till they switched to just CGI

[@mariannecontrino6297]

I'm not sure how it all works, but does Del Toro own the rights to his movies, or does the studio? I dread the thought of a "Pan's Labyrinth" reboot, or an animated version for the "kiddos". Hopefully he has the power to stop shit like that from ever making it to the screen.

[@CandyApples4ever]

Marianne Contrino I think Pan’s labyrinth is his own original idea so he owns that. Hellboy is owned by the comics so it cane be remade in movies as many times as people want.

[@katiebayliss9887]

Marianne Contrino god a reboot of shape of water would be awful

[@CandyApples4ever]

What movies has Jim Henson made?

[@stephenattwood]

“Show don’t tell” thank you completely summing up everything wrong with movies for the last 20 years with 3 words. Psychedelic sentence

[@lordbanetheplayer8844]

Most of them .Games do it better, anyways.

[@ssharkbait]

I saw a movie that legitimately mentioned that the main character was about to go to college 3 times in the span of 10 minutes.

[@Betta66]

@@CandyApples4ever They did tho

[@Packlunch]

The 2004 Hellboy is one of my favorite movies, one that my family and I quote often. Ron Pearlman was perfect, but I figured I would give the reboot a try. Oh. My. God. It was awful. They were trying too hard to be edgy, there was a lot of gore, and the dialog sucked.

[@SuperWolsey]

Mignola wanted the reboot to be close to his works. The result: He got a L with the film bombing

[@neatoburrito9045]

The reboot wasn’t even close to his works.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@neatoburrito9045 it was its just they rammed three SERIES of comics books into one movie and no duh that was trash lets call it JUSTICE LEAGUE SYNDROME

[@bitchface235]

@@wilmagregg3131 lets call it like it is GDT is amazing at creating art and they should've let him handle the damn movie

[@mortifidpenguin]

As a person who actually read the comics this movie to me seem like someone who was given an abridged version of the story and forced themselves to make a movie on it. There are so many moments and characters that were pulled directly from the comics yet with absolutely no regard for their original context. Just another half assed hollywood cash grab by my estimation

[@reaper_exd7498]

Was thinking the same. Felt like a KZbin rewind of the Hellboy universe

[@mortifidpenguin]

@@reaper_exd7498 lmao that's pretty much a perfect comparison

[@quinnzykir]

As a hell boy fan, the only real way you can do the comics justice is adapting it into a cable series. I think animated would be better then going live action.

[@quinnzykir]

Kinda like Akira. I know the animation is fantastic but they botched it by cramming the entire 6 volume story into a 2 hour film. I mean Akira is actually an important character in the manga and not a collection of organs. I’m glad most people like the film but I grew to hate it.

[@mortifidpenguin]

@@quinnzykir I think live action. Is possible just need the right people behind it but I definitly agree a tv series would be much better

[@deathwrenchcustom]

I just find this Hellboy difficult to look at. Ron Perlman was classy and perfect.

[@biigguy9451]

And the way he talks is disgusting. You hear the saliva in his mouth and he spits when he gets angry.

[@doctorthirteen5727]

Ron Perlman worked because he knows how to act in prosthetics. He's been doing it so long he's a pro.

[@seanreynolds7369]

Yeah that chin was just, disturbing

[@-maxgomez.1134]

🖤

[@lissaquon607]

@@doctorthirteen5727 IIRC correctly that's part of why he got the gig. Besides being friends with Del Toro. They knew he had the experience with heavy makeup

[@johnathonlongtin2275]

What’s shitty is it didn’t need a reboot. Golden Army left things open to a third movie

[@buzzybeepopman2009]

Yeah it annoys me that they didn’t make a third one

[@Thecontentmustflow]

I watched this on a 10hr flight. The movie was so bad I wanted to die.

[@CynicalReviews]

Me too, funnily enough.

[@donniejefferson9554]

If I had to guess you were still better off than when I ended up watching Assassins Creed on one. Thank god I fell asleep and didnt have to see the entire thing

[@KalavinkaK]

You guys too? Wow.

[@victorm152]

I probably would've tried to jump off the plane

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Why didn't you crash the plane?

[@zacmcadam4243]

It feels like some actors were born to play characters, Ron Perlman was born to play hellboy

[@garystinten9339]

Just as Ryan Reynolds, Robert Downey Jr and Hugh Jackman as Deadpool, ironman and wolverine respectively

[@oddeyes9413]

@@garystinten9339 Completely agree.

[@jordanthomas4379]

As somebody who has read almost everything hellboy related, I respectfully disagree.

[@darwincity]

100% agree.

[@mclekfkeiwdisidido6858]

Reboot Hellboy looks like he is lost and sounds drunk on every scene

[@troodon1096]

Might not be acting.

[@themarlboromandalorian]

Basically, because Hellboy is a stoic gunslinging paranormal detective. And this movie had him pegged as an angry child.

[@ThatGuy-gc1du]

Hellboy in the comics has a lot of dense juicy lore. The biggest problem with this film is that they tried to cram ALL of that lore into a two-hour movie. Imagine doing the Thanos avengers story in a two-hour film. That's what they tried to do with Hellboy. In addition, the movie only makes sense if you have a dense working knowledge of the comics and because of that, it's very unapproachable to someone who liked the original movies or who just likes monster beat-em-ups.

[@yidingliu8663]

The old Hellboys were so rich in details that I find something new every time watching it. The new one, watching once is too much to handle.

[@supernightslash]

Am I the only one who thinks that Hellboy looks goofy as hell? Seriously, I genuinely can't take him seriously no matter how hard I try.

[@artorhen]

If you've seen this movie only of him, then he may seem that way.

[@jaycraw6978]

He looks like a crackhead in this movie

[@kenhammscousin4716]

Yeah his cheeks are too thin. Like his head is too wide at the horns and too skinny in the cheeks

[@Dacho_Shaki]

You weren't the only one. Ever since his first reveal, I thought he looked godawful by its design. Ron Perlman's version at least looks more practical with his hybrid look of a demon and a human and fits with the rest of the cast pretty well. Harbour's version looks needlessly overdesigned and cheesy. Like they were originally intended to make him looky scary, but the execution fails in exponential levels and stands out with the rest like a sore thumb. It really looks like they mixed the practical costume with CGI since the shape of his face looks off.

[@OctoberLotus]

i feel like Ron Perlman has the right type of head for prosthetics. He has a big head with defined features, so under the make up, he’s still recognizable. Though I think the make up for the new one is just over crowded; horns too low, weird cheek bones, etc, and they buried his eyes in it all so they looked tiny.

[@vibeonthemix1992]

Ron Pearlman will always be the greatest hellboy.

[@amandapike2477]

Here's the thing though, Broom was not a killer, he was a paranormal expert in the comics. That's part of the humor that Hellboy grew up to be a bit of a jock when he had a nerdy non-violent father. Broom was no assassin.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

For a non assassin he took out plenty of monsters, especially giants

[@Marrs47]

He was also dead by this point. People saying this is closer to the comics are way off. I also find it weird to start the reboot 3/4 of the way through Hellboys story arc

[@ComicBookGuy420]

@@Marrs47 Broome died right at the start of the Hellboy comics, so from that standpoint, neither iteration was accurate And Daimio wasn't in the Wild Hunt But from a viewpoint of Hellboy and Liz were never together, not to mention going panel for panel in places such as Hellboy getting screwed over during The Wild Hunt, and his match against Esteban in Hellboy in Mexico It is a lot closer than the Perlman movies, as much as I enjoy them

[@ElectricPickleAttack]

"Out there there's a fifth century sorceress and her big monster..." No, 517 AD would make her a 6th century sorceress, for the same reason we currently live in the 21st century and not the 20th.

[@ComicBookGuy420]

Shhh don't let facts get in the way of his KZbin video He didn't

[@SmittyBacall1858]

*Pig monster

[@CruelestChris]

Well unless she's under 18 in 517AD she'd _techically_ be a fifth century sorceress.

[@myriri3687]

On the "hellboy being a secret" thing. He's sort of not in the comics. He openly wanders about and for the most part people are surprised by him but aren't too shocked.

[@lalli8152]

Yeah i think in comics he is actually well known, and thats why people are not as freaked out by him.

[@kudosbudo]

@@lalli8152 The first two films really arn't hellboy the more i think about it when compared to the comics.

[@alexslife4652]

34:12 Is nobody gonna talk about the business guy just calmly walking across the street while a fucking demon is coming up from a massive hole in the ground right next to him?

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

No because we've read the comics

[@monicadelgado5296]

He noticed it, it just caught off before it happens.

[@wolffforge4839]

It's simple. You can't replace Ron Pearlman.

[@redlupo6193]

Bingo.

[@limlaith]

THIS

[@smotbutterman1127]

But he's old now

[@wolffforge4839]

@@smotbutterman1127 and? Clint Eastwood is old as dirt and still a badass. To be fair the list of old badasses is long, Clint is just an example.

[@smotbutterman1127]

@@wolffforge4839 Have you seen Clint Eastwood in Mule? I don't think he looked like a badass at all. It would suck to have a double every time Ron Pearlman had to do action scenes in an action movie.

[@KamiNanami]

Hellboy reboot in a nutshell: Take the sword No Take the sword No Take the sword 'Aight

[@Coco-vv8nf]

Take the sword Arnold "but grandpa i cant" Take the sword "but grandpa" Take it Arnold! "uhm but i do not think.." Just take the f^$#$@% sword Arnold i'm dying here stop wasting my time.

[@demizson576]

"Oh Arnold, I will be queen of the World, how about you become my king?" "Uuh… Helga, you sound a little weird, are you alright… ?"

[@tafua_a]

Give me the thing No Give me the thing No Kill his kid (Wilhelm Scream) Give me the thing Here

[@tafua_a]

@@markgallagher577 *Krak* *Thud*

[@akaGravedust]

You must’ve hated the first del Toro film too. Be the destroyer No Be the destroyer No Be the destroyer Ok

[@gooseherdez336]

A few yeas back I visited the "En casa con mis monstruos" (Home with my monsters) which was basically a gallery of Guillermo Del Toro's collection of cool stuff, including concept art, sculptures, movie props and costumes etc. Among the things in the gallery there was a Mignola autographed drawing of Hellboy with the legend "It's all yours now" as in giving Del Toro full control of his beloved character and clear support and confidence in the vision Del Toro had for Hellboy. It is a really touching memento, just to think that you could trust someone else with the proper management of your creation. It is a shame they had a falling out, we can only dream of what could have been.

[@desertratedc9596]

As soon as Ron and Del Toro left, it was doomed for failure. Del Toro had the vision and Ron gave hellboy life people liked.

[@CynicalReviews]

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[@reyalskrad1]

Its gonna be awesome. Just like the rest of your videos. Dont feel pressured to go fast, take your time, its always worth it.

[@Megatron_95]

As the saying goes, "All good things for those who wait"

[@gracekim25]

Cynical Reviews well I think I’ll be able to catch your stream tomorrow 😇

[@SadPeterPan1977]

Will unfortunately miss the stream live tomorrow. Will it be available afterwards on your other channel?

[@jimmyfandago3211]

will KZbin take their 70% cut?

[@BigBroTejano]

The funny thing is that Hellboy actually dose have half-brothers and a half-sister(all from his demon father) who plays a rather large role in one of the Hellboy story arks... also his demon uncle. And ya... Golden Army and Blood and Iron did this “join your true family, humanity are the real monsters” stick far better then this film...

[@Highbrowser]

In defense to the Reboot, the original comic book did not have Hellboy being a secret. That was a GDT trope.

[@Kenshiro3rd]

Exactly

[@Kenshiro3rd]

@Kurt Angle In A Tiny Cowboy Hat you’re not wrong. XD

[@alchemy5750]

I was first year in uni when this hit the cinemas and I remember being extremely hyped to go see it since I loved the first two as a kid. Then one of my classmates who already watched it on the premiere told me not to see it for anything because it's so awful I'm just better off pretending it ain't exist and just preserve the memories I have of the origials the way they are. I haven't watched it since, but saw a few scenes and even from those tiny snippets I could instantly feel something's just really off.