Why the Order of the Phoenix Didn't Hunt Horcruxes - Harry Potter Explained

Hey everyone,
Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. I hope you all had a wonderful holiday, and I just wanted to let you all know that I’ve got tons and tons of videos planned for 2021. For today’s video, I’m going to be discussing the Order of the Phoenix and the hunt for Horcruxes.
The Order of the Phoenix is of course a secret society that was originally founded by Dumbledore in the year 1970. The purpose of the organization was to oppose Lord Voldemort and his followers- and it was this same organization that valiantly fought against Voldemort and his followers for 11 years before Voldemort’s FIRST defeat. After the first war the Order disbanded, however, when Voldemort returned in 1995 they picked up where they left off. The organization is filled with a multitude of powerful witches and wizards- each boasting their own unique magical abilities- but one thing that could potentially appear strange is: why didn’t they help Harry locate Horcruxes? Surely an organization full of powerful Aurors and professors could have helped Harry, Ron and Hermione- couldn’t they?
A horcrux is an object in which a dark witch or wizard has imbued part of their soul. The ultimate purpose of creating a horcrux is to achieve immortality. However, the truly sinister component of creating a horcrux is that in order to produce one, you must MURDER someone. Voldemort began creating his horcruxes in the year 1943- starting with the diary of Tom Riddle which was produced as a result of the murder of Moaning Myrtle. After that- he went on to make many more- and the tricky part about Horcruxes is that they can almost be anything- making them exceptionally hard to locate. As long as the Horcruxes existed- Voldemort would continue to stay alive- which meant that locating and destroying them was essential.
So..again - If destroying Voldemort’s horcruxes was the ONLY way to defeat him- why on earth was the task left to 3 students? Why didn’t they use the manpower of the Order of the Phoenix?
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[@HarryPotterTheory]

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[@eimanb3887]

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[@jl16848]

Thank you for everything you're creating 🥺💚

[@eimanb3887]

Thanks for the heart! I love your channel and this made my day!

[@royalrebels6484]

I love your video’s!

[@kaylalyons4461]

Someone had a great video idea: “If the Dursley’s kept Harry from the Wizarding world, would he have become an obscurial?” Thought I’d pass the idea along.

[@Danversdiary]

I felt so bad when reading the offer between Lupin and Harry, Harry purposely made Lupin feel absolutely terrible so that he could go to his family and see them for one last time, Harry made sure that Lupin would be with them and not him in his last hours, and I must say Harry was smart to constantly keep it as three people knowing and he made a good choice with Neville.

[@EnterStranger]

Another factor here is Dumbledore wasn’t completely sure about the extent to which Voldemort used Horcruxes until Harry retrieved the complete memory from Slughorn.

[@AlexandriaLibraryGame]

Also spies in the Order of the Phoenix was not new.

[@andrzejzborowski4920]

Dumbledore was sure about horcruxes whe he saw Riddle's diary destroyed. He wasn't sure how many Voldemort had created, until he got full Slughorn's memory, but he was sure that it was more than one.

[@preethi.r5102]

​@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbledore put 2 and 2 together and just guessed about the basic idea as what could have happed. But as ​ @FarhanAhmed pointed out Dumbledore was shocked to hear what voldy did with Horcruxes when slughorn revealed that he shared to voldy about Horcruxes and soul splitting.

[@andrzejzborowski4920]

I wonder when Dumbledore started to suspect that Voldemort made a horcrux? I think it could have been before the Dark Lord dissapeared or just after because if he had died there would be his body in the Potters' house.

[@preethi.r5102]

@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbeldore answers this in HPB Dumbledore paused for a moment, marshaling his thoughts, and then said, “Four years ago, I received what I considered certain proof that Voldemort had split his soul.” “Where?” asked Harry. “How?” “You handed it to me, Harry,” said Dumbledore. “The diary, Riddle’s diary, the one giving instructions on how to reopen the Chamber of Secrets.” “I don’t understand, sir,” said Harry. “Well, although I did not see the Riddle who came out of the diary, what you described to me was a phenomenon I had never witnessed. A mere memory starting to act and think for itself? A mere memory, sapping the life out of the girl into whose hands it had fallen? No, something much more sinister had lived inside that book . . . a fragment of soul, I was almost sure of it. The diary had been a Horcrux. But this raised as many questions as it answered. ... “Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldemort returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to his Death Eaters. ‘I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality.’ That was what you told me he said. ‘Further than anybody.’ And I thought I knew what that meant, though the Death Eaters did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes, Horcruxes in the plural, Harry, which I do not believe any other wizard has ever had. Yet it fitted: Lord Voldemort has seemed to grow less human with the passing years, and the transformation he has undergone seemed to me to be only explicable if his soul was mutilated beyond the realms of what we might call ‘usual evil’ . . .” “Yes indeed,” said Dumbledore, and he raised his blackened, burnedlooking hand. “The ring, Harry. Marvolo’s ring. And a terrible curse there was upon it too. Had it not been - forgive me the lack of seemly modesty - for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape’s timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale. However, a withered hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort’s soul. The ring is no longer a Horcrux.” “But how did you find it?” “Well, as you now know, for many years I have made it my business to discover as much as I can about Voldemort’s past life. I have traveled widely, visiting those places he once knew. I stumbled across the ring hidden in the ruin of the Gaunts’ house. It seems that once Voldemort had succeeded in sealing a piece of his soul inside it, he did not want to wear it anymore. He hid it, protected by many powerful enchantments, in the shack where his ancestors had once lived (Morfin having been carted off to Azkaban, of course), never guessing that I might one day take the trouble to visit the ruin, or that I might be keeping an eye open for traces of magical concealment.

[@BenFozzz]

Its sad that one day he will run out of Theory's…..

[@tommymayfield814]

Mabey they will be more books or movies by then.

[@tatleman5314]

I doubt he will, the potential is unlimited.

[@lewis2524]

2025: Was Harry a Death Eater? Harry Potter Theory

[@kesemstudio]

@@lewis2524 XD

[@derekhanscom5892]

That's just a theory

[@maryjoyspohrer256]

Neville beheading that snake was a wonderful moment for me. He not only eliminates the last horcrux, but frees Nagini as well.

[@Shinnizle]

I can't believe you haven't mentioned Legilimency. It is by far the biggest reason to not tell many people, especially considering Voldemort's mastery of it.

[@Mike-vh9gs]

I think a big reason is what happened during the first war with voldemore. Dumbledore learned from Peter pettigrew's betrayel. Peter was a member of the order and was trusted with their biggest secret and it resulted in disaster. Im sure Dumbledore thought another betrayal was possible from within the order.

[@lorisarchet7732]

I think Dumbledore didn't want a repeat of another Peter Pettigrew situation.

[@charbelramia1776]

Regarding Lupin. Harry refused his help mainly because he knew that Lupin was going to be a father... he was being noble and didn't want to put him at risk.

[@arturodejesuscruzcasab9502]

Let's be fair, he also got incredibly pissed at the thought of Lupin abandoning his child.

[@neloysinha8098]

I am still amazed how writers come up with their own worlds written in words with people obssessing about them for decades.

[@Arterexius]

There's a good reason why the written word is the greatest invention of humanity. It's not only obsessing about fictional worlds that previously only existed in other peoples heads, but it also allows anyone alive today to read the thoughts of someone who lived 2000 years ago, in a way that makes it seem like they're sitting right beside you, teaching you what they knew

[@MonkeyPowerkey]

I remember going trough the book and begging Harry in my head to accept Lupin's offer to come along... The final book is so dark and tragic. Anything that could be a help in any way seemed like a blessing. Harry Potter is a story that simply becomes more tragic the more you think about it. How Dumbledore was playing a painful game of chess behind the scenes... Knwoing each movie could and probably would get people killed. All to just stop evil... Even as he was dying himself he kept playing. And then you got Snape... A man who probably hated Harry... But still managed to find a way to love him to honor his love. He legit died for Harry to honor Lilly. I do prefer film snape to book snape. But i'd like to think that book Snape is mostly the same Snape only more stubborn as to admit the good in him. And then you got Harry... Wich went along in the dark. Not really knowing what he was doing until the very end. But then just accepts it. Like ''Ok, i have to die''. It's a great story. And i'm so thankful for the great story J.K. Rowling has given us. She made so many of our Childhoods. When the final film came out it really did feel like ''Now, i'm in the next phase of my life''. It was like going from Childhood to adulthood. And for that i'll allways be greatful to her.

[@andreroberts2848]

The harry potter series is amazing and these are stories that will be told for many generations down the line

[@shreyagupta2233]

Idk why Dumbledore is seen in such a negative light. He was fighting Voldemort, he didn't have to. He could've run and hide but he didn't, he also didn't care if he died for the cause. As for the "manipulation", Dumbledore knew how to kill Voldemort and had to keep it a secret otherwise he would've never been defeated. We aren't just talking about an evil villian, we are talking about an IMMORTAL evil villain. If it wasn't for Dumbledore, Tom Riddle would've ruled the world forever. I agree that it was painful what happened to Harry, and he wasn't given all the facts by Dumbledore BUT they did get the job done. And after Harry finds out the complete truth in the end he realised that this was the only way they could've won and he FORGAVE Dumbledore for keeping him in the dark.

[@Sssneksss]

she’s washed up lmao

[@MonkeyPowerkey]

@@Sssneksss I'm too lazy to read my own comment from a century ago. But being clean is important. Stay clean ma dude.

[@Anu_Sol]

Kind of like sending the hobbits off to destroy The One Ring I guess. Sending wizards and the most powerful elves would have drawn too much attention.

[@PhilBagels]

Exactly! The Order was in fact helping, by keeping Voldy distracted. If Voldy knew that his horcruxes were being attacked, he would have made efforts to protect them. But With the Order tracking down Death Eaters, and otherwise trying to hinder Voldy, they were like the army that marched to the gates of Mordor - a distraction from the real attack.

[@dennisqh4608]

@@PhilBagels In the movies atleast voldy could feel the horocruxes being destroyed. One would assume that he would put 2 and 2 togheter after the first 2 was destroyed and put them into more safe locations. Kinda weard that he didnt realise this.

[@hendrasutrisno4191]

@@dennisqh4608 yeah.. especially diary... voldy should know that diary in albus hands

[@thezord6686]

@@hendrasutrisno4191 to be fair when the second film came out the horcruxes isn't invented yet by the author.

[@PhilBagels]

@@dennisqh4608 And he did. He kept the cup in the Lestrange vault at Gringott's, and toward the end he kept Nagini with him at all times. The diadem was hidden where he was sure no one would find it. There is no indication that he was aware when the diary and ring were destroyed.

[@AustynSN]

I've always figured that too many people knowing would lead to Voldemort knowing sooner that the horcruxes were being hunted. Loose lips and all that.

[@chasenicastro2287]

Didn’t want another Pettigrew probably

[@HAbarneyWK]

Same

[@lyricszone4982]

Dumbledore didn't want more wormtails'

[@georgebrooks2215]

This is gold!

[@POTTERS_HOME]

Woahhh well said

[@ushas7255]

True !!! This is the case !

[@Indic4Zone]

well said (2)

[@lexilovesjesus9129]

Ah wow! I forgot he told Neville! Neville and Harry has a sort of bond I think. They were always nice to each other and not particularly close but they got closer every year ..especially 5th. And he knew Neville would understand. Also Neville could have been the chosen one as well. This was very Informative thank you! I enjoyed my daily History of Magic lesson:)

[@HellDuke-]

Dunno, always made sense to me considering Voldemort was exceptionally good at legilimancy. Most other Order members were in some capacity on the front lines and always at risk of capture or being spied upon while Harry was viewed as someone who was just being protected. If he is off the grid for an extended period of time it makes sense, he is hidden, like the Potters before. However if someone like Lupin, McGonagal or any myriad of Aurors were to disappear like that, it means they are working at something. On another note, Harry always knew that nobody really knew what Dumbledore was up to so it's possible he had a clear understanding that he might not even himself realize the whole reason why so few had to know. I'd imagine Snape also knew about the Horcruxes given he treated Dumbledore and just so happened to deliver the one thing that could destroy them, so it's not like it was just those three that knew.

[@alfirindil7028]

I'm not sure if Snape had an idea of what Harry was destroying, I think Sanpe just followed Dumbledors order's. If I remember correctly even Snape have asked to Dumbledore what he was doing with Harry during the private lessons

[@PhilBagels]

Snape must have also known about the horcruxes. He knew about the ring that cursed Dumbledore's hand, and he new that Harry also had to die. It was OK for Snape to know, since he was a master at occlumency. But he also couldn't directly help hunt horcruxes in order to be a double agent. He did help though, by sending the Sword of Gryffindor (which can destroy them). So I think Snape was the only other person who knew.

[@c.h.9223]

@@PhilBagels No, at least in the books it is pretty clear that Snape did not know. As Alexandre Verjans correctly remembered Snape asked Dumbledore what he is up to. He knew that the ring had a powerful curse on it, but not why. Perhaps, as the powerful wizard he was and his knowledge about dark art he might have guessed in the right direction. But again he had no knowledge about slughorns memory and the idea of number of horcruxes.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

@@c.h.9223 Agreed. I believe with his knowledge he could have easily guessed, but he would not have been stupid enough to try and get more information given that Voldemort could easily extract information from him if he knew too much.

[@PhilBagels]

@@c.h.9223 How did Snape, or anyone else for that matter, think Voldy came back? Didn't Snape know that Voldy specifically wanted to "live forever"? Slughorn certainly knew about the existence of horcruxes, and that he specifically wanted to make some. Snape, being a DADA teacher, would have known about them, too. How else does one come back from an apparent death? There's a library full of magical knowledge right there at Hogwarts. Did no other teacher have any curiosity? Did none of the Order do any research at all into how Voldy was able to come back? Is this yet another example of adults in the HP world being dumber than the kids?

[@TheManOfTomorrow]

I badly want a movie series of Harry Potter Universe showing: *Tom Riddle's past in detail, The Marauders, Rise of Voldemort, Creation of Voldemort's Horcruxes, Formation of Order of the Phoenix, First Wizarding War, and Voldemort's defeat at Godric's Hollow.* We have seen Second Wizarding War, we will see Global Wizarding War in Fantastic Beasts series, so now, I want to see the First Wizarding War in the movies sometime in future.

[@fblio7146]

I even have a more unrealistic dream: That these movies are based on new books by J.K. Rowling. Fantastic Beasts would have needed that.

[@mahisinghvi08]

I really want to see the first wizard in gear maybe a book of it in detail or a movie

[@mahisinghvi08]

@Oof Oooof69 what I’d they actually make good movies I mean they can right? I don’t have much faith in wb tho for tht after wht happened with Wonder Woman but still we can hope

[@PhantomViper49]

That will probably be in later fantastic beast movies

[@shazmeister2005]

I think it’s because some of the order may have sussed out that Harry had to die and prevented him from carrying out the task. It is quite clear in the books that Dumbledore knew all along that Harry must die and accepted that “for the greater good”. He thought the best way was for Harry to destroy all the Horcruxes, including himself, with no one else knowing bar Snape, that way no one would get in his way and minimal chance of Voldemort finding out. He kind of did find out though, once they stole the cup from Gringotts he knew they were hunting horcruxes.

[@michaelbrauss4250]

I got a video idea for you: What if the Dursley's succeded to keep Harry from the Wizarding-World. Would he had become a obscurial?

[@kaylalyons4461]

Underrated Video idea. I hope HP Theory sees this. @Harry Potter Theory

[@lamablushes6427]

That's a nice theory, I haven't thought of it before... It may be underrated as #KaylaLyons said... But I don't think many muggles have thought intensely off that before.... I would love too see something like this... ❤️

[@TAThor]

I believe Obscurials have something to do with the host knowing that they have magic, but being forced to repress it. Given that Harry didn't know he was magic, I don't believe he would have become an Obscurus. Also, Obscurus typically arise while the host is quite young, rarely living past the age of 10. Harry was already 11 at the beginning of the story, so the chances of him later becoming an Obscurial is low. I may be wrong on the first point (having to know you're magical), but I believe the second point is pretty straight-forward.

[@EternalCreator]

@@TAThor it's a parasite that forms when a witch or wizard doesn't perform spells. Without a wand or the knowledge of magic, Harry could have easily become one. But in Harry's case there's a 0% chance Dumbledore would have let that happen. He would have Guaranteed Harry's enrollment at age 11 if he had to go to the Durselys and retrieve him personally.

[@EternalCreator]

@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry that's not true, I don't get why people pretend to know what they are talking about when a 2 second Google search can prove you wrong.

[@andrzejzborowski4920]

I think Dumbledore chose not to tell the Order about Horcruxes after fake Moody case. Each member could be kidnapped and tortured. If someone revealed that they were looking for Horcruxes, Voldemort would surely have hidden them better.

[@maketycry3952]

I think the purpose of the order was to defend the public and the Muggles who can’t defend themselves otherwise. Just knowing of the Horcruxes would’ve been dangerous. Voldemort needed to think his soul fragments were secure, and if more people knew about them, word would have circled back and they would have been harder to find. Not only that but everyone who knew would be at the top of the Death Eaters kill list.

[@luckymangampo2769]

Ah yes, my anti-depressant

[@darthseverus89]

I don't understand

[@chinolebron6233]

Facts!

[@ZetaCancri]

same for me. watching HP makes me less depressed somehow

[@katana7186]

@@ZetaCancri same

[@biancag1554]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[@o..o5480]

I asked this question too earlier but to be honest, LEGILIMENCY is the answer, I think!

[@raghavparanjpe9556]

Yess precisly!!!!! Its simply about the more people know the bad it is if te thing is to b lot secret

[@gray6497]

@Ultimate Information no stop begging for views

[@hendrasutrisno4191]

Occlumency?

[@ronnaketsiko9208]

No I think its not the right answer. Unless, they are as skillful as Voldemort, Snape, and Dumbledore. But still my point is valid because Harry somehow know how to occlumens after what happened in OOTP

[@vinnodhnaidu]

Because JK Rowling told them not to hunt horcruxes😂

[@jpg7616]

Theory: Why did Snape not have a plan to give the secret to Harry?? Was very fortunate Harry got there in time for the tears.

[@ushas7255]

Snape would have come back as ghost if he died before telling the truth to harry or he would have found a different way altogether, I am sure he was powerful enough for that . Irrespective of snape being an abusive complicated character, dumbledore trusts someone, he does it after considering all alternatives.

[@jpg7616]

@@ushas7255 if he stays as a ghost, he doesn’t go to be near Lilly. Don’t think he’d do that. Should have prepared a vial and hidden it among the memories near the pensieve in Dumbledore’s office. Then have the headmaster paintings tell Minerva to leave so they could tell Harry about it. Something like that. Or leave him a note with a code to read it like the Marauders map. “Snivelly’s trousers” or something from their shared legilimancy lesson that only Harry would know. Note gives directions to the vial.

[@hmoham]

I don't think Snape ever intended to tell Harry, it was only when he saw Harry near the end he did what he did. I think the plan was for Harry to die at the hands of Voldermort and Snape to finish the job.

[@ushas7255]

@@jpg7616 lol, snivelly trousers 😅🤣

[@shreyagupta2233]

@@hmoham That was never the plan. Dumbledore believed that Harry wouldn't die even after Voldemort tried to kill him, and he hoped for him to live.

[@miecz8316]

I dont think Dumbledore always knew Harry has to die, he said it himself, he always suspected theres something about the scar thats problematic, but he learned about Horcruxes the same time Harry did, and from that point he knew, before that he might just suspected it, but he didnt recognize the ring, nor diary as a Horcrux, until after seeing the true Slughorns memory.

[@TheSupart91]

And plus the order was stretched to thin after battles before the search officially started

[@rayra2772]

Dumbledore didn´t told anyone to remove any chance of Voldemort changing their location to completely random places.

[@thieuthieu]

This topic felt like it had a lot more weight than most videos. And it was very well explained. Thank you.

[@zalvian22]

Why does this merit a theory? The books literally tell us exactly why the Order didn't help Harry. Dumbledore feared the Order had already been penetrated and that Harry shouldn't tell anyone what he was doing. Not to mention the fact that until Harry retrieved Slughorn's memory of his conversation with Tom Riddle, Dumbledore didn't know for sure a horcrux was involved, he only suspected it, and obviously if he didn't have strong evidence of what (and more importantly where) they were looking for, they'd only stand to alert Voldemort to the danger if the Order ever did look for anything.

[@kdmdlo]

This is the first of your videos I've watched. Quite good! Thank you.

[@royal3594]

Theory: What if Harry was raised by the Malfoys, became the new Dark Lord and didn’t change, what would he have done?

[@-composer]

Not really a theory, but good question

[@tobiasikamu8574]

Killed the mudbloods, terrorised the muggles

[@royal3594]

But what if Harry went with the pure blood ways, In the first book You Know Who offers for Harry to join him

[@manuelhuber2903]

@@royal3594 that was probably a trap. I think he wanted to trick him into reviving him and then kill harry.

[@royal3594]

I feel like if Harry begged on his knees like Bellatrix to Voldemort then he could’ve change things, the prophecy would not be fulfilled and Harry may become a death eater with what would be his *friend* Draco

[@whateverrrr_]

I dont think it would draw too much attantion if just 1 or 2 strong adults would help Harry hunting the horcruxes, but it would make it so much easier for him. Imagine Mad-eye and/or Kingsley following him in deathly hallows 1

[@superseven4177]

No it couldn’t be Kingsley. He was still an Auror and was the leader of the Order of the Phoenix when Dumbledore died. Maybe mad-eye had he not died

[@thepokestatsguy7087]

Hey harry potter theory , can you please make a video on the most intelligent harry potter characters I know it's a hard topic but in all of KZbin only you can make such videos I have see all of your ranking videos and I felt that they all are very accurate so I am requesting you to make a video on that I commented on the last video too please reply

[@LemonsRage]

probably Nikolas flammel because he created the philosophers stone

[@khalilrahme5227]

@@LemonsRage Dumbledore is definitely up there as well, a lot of characters would be difficult to judge though, like the four founders of Hogwarts

[@arshiaahuja3578]

@Lemon Yes but we can't forget the Founders Of Hogwarts, Dumbledore, And even Voldemort was intelligent as he created hocruxes, hid them nicely and stuff

[@SapphireAbbott1987]

@@arshiaahuja3578 really diary was with a death eater, ring was at his grandfather's house, locket was in a cave he showed two muggles magic, he hid them so "well" that three 17 year olds could find most of them

[@arshiaahuja3578]

@Potter fan0011 Yes But to locate them the three "17 year olds" had to do quite a lot of hard work

[@jacenskywalker507]

What if Harry was raised by the Grangers, he grew up in a loving home where Voldy and his Death Munchers couldn't find him, Harry and Hermione start off like siblings but then start falling in love at the beginning of Second Year and get together in the middle of or at the end of Third Year, and Harry was a confident young wizard raised by the Granger parents, in contrast to the meek boy he was in the canon of the books and films?

[@POTTERS_HOME]

This is super awesome

[@335chr]

He wasn't meek in the books he was full of sass

[@POTTERS_HOME]

@@335chr 😂 btw I make videos based on Harry Potter

[@jacenskywalker507]

@@335chr All right fine, without the sass then.

[@jacenskywalker507]

@Oof Oooof69 Just let me have this man. I also said, *"like siblings."* Their feelings could change for all we know.

[@matimccormick2676]

This is my only reason why I got resentment towards dumbledore. Harry trusted him so much and even after his death he still followed his orders and dumbledore kind of “betrayed” him. I know it was for the greater good but still....

[@altrusticperson]

U know what,ur good at this Keep it up!👍🏿

[@arshiaahuja3578]

Hello Harry Potter Theory. I have written a long comment but please read it all. I just wanted to give some suggestions for a video (I took the video ideas from the whole comment section and wrote them in my comment. I have a few ideas of my own in this list to, though). A. You can make a video on the mistakes in the books, meaning a few mistakes done by JK Rowling while writing the books. I spotted quite a lot while reading the books. I don't remeber all but I will tell one so that you can get an example: In the first book, Hagrid said that Harry's parents were Head Boy and Girl while their time at Hogwarts. But then in the fifth book it is said that James was not a prefect. I know they don't relate but it's weird, right? Not being a simple prefect but suddenly being Head Boy?? B. If the Dursleys would have kept Harry away from the Wizarding world, would Harry have become an Obscurial? C. Was Harry a death eater?/How would the story have changed if he would have been one?/Could Harry have been a death eater under cover? D. Who all did Voldemort kill to create his hocruxes? And great video by the way!! I love your content! Please make the videos suggested.......and it would be totally great if you could also include the example I wrote if you make a video about the mistakes in the books.!

[@lamablushes6427]

The D suggestion it's great but he have already done this as I recall... But if I may change it a bit if you don't mind?! '' if Harry Potter would had been a deatheater what would had happened in the change of the course?! '' or '' if he had been in undercover as a deatheater'' what do you think?!

[@arshiaahuja3578]

@Marina Isiris Yeah super interesting I will just edit my comment and change

[@arshiaahuja3578]

@Marina Isiris Did the change!

[@annettemalaski1967]

You forgot one detail! Harry is by nature both a horcrux and a horcrux "finder". His connection would tip him off if he was in the vicinity of one of them. No one else had this type of advantage. No spells needed that would allert Voldermort.

[@phane00]

By telling Harry to keep it between the three of them, Dumbledore unwittingly cut off Harry's use of Order members for gathering intelligence. For example, while planning to break into the Ministry, the trio could only work from the information that they gathered outside of the Ministry. It would have been better if they could have gotten Arthur, Tonks, and/or Kingsley to them how things were inside of the Ministry these days. They could have had worked out a much better plan, and could have still kept Sirius' House by doing so. Harry would have given the Order members a sense of purpose and rebellion by simply going to work daily and occasionally reporting it. As it was, most of them felt that there was nothing for them to do. That Harry's rescue from his house was their final mission. The Order was leaderless.

[@jan-weilim4404]

I think frankly its a balance between how many to tell and how many not to. I think JKR went too far with only 3 of them any the wiser but you know how word of mouth spreads very fast and Voldemort is a very accomplished Legilimens. In canon, no wizard other than Snape (I think all the tier 1 wizards (Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindewald) are implied to be good) are accomplished in Occlumency. Occlumency is an obscure branch of magic after all.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

One might ask why DD didn't include the Order in on the knowledge of horcruces. The more people that knew, the greater the chance that VM would know they were being sought out. He would simply hide them in more unattainable places, making the job of locating them even more difficult....such as simply depositing one in the Marianas Trench.

[@arturo435]

It was very clear that Dumbledore's intention was that Voldemort didn't find out about anyone else knowing about his Horcruxes until the very end. If he had known, he could've moved them, etc.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Thanks for the vid. I started disliking Dumbledore while reading the books, in how “tidy” and “elegant” his logical plan was to use the “swine [already set] for slaughter”. Harry was just a teen, as was Ron and Hermione. They would have no support in their secrecy. Harry, like a Gryffindor, is so loyal, even to a fault, that he went with it, almost without question. I wished there was more conflict and doubt within him about Dumbledore, as to whether Dumbledore cared for him, or whether Dumbledore treated him as a valuable Chess piece, a knight that advanced through ranks/obstacles, to be sacrificed at the opportune time. Personally I wished so because Harry grew up as an emotionally abused kid, and I always admired his uncanny sense of self-worth despite that. A kid’s sense of self-worth can become so eroded due to abuse that the effects can even linger into adulthood, and they can continue to allow themselves to be used by others. Was Harry doing this? I’m not sure. Then I remembered the choice. Harry’s mother chose to shield him. And Harry chose to shield the others at Hogwarts. It was his choice that made things make more sense to me.

[@c.h.9223]

Did you read the books? In my feeling "The Deathly Hallows" is a lot about Harrys conflict! It is in fact somehow late in the book that he decided to trust Dumbledore (while digging the grave for Dobby). I did not see the film (only some clips). Maybe it is not that clear in the film.

[@denxylboart4403]

This makes perfect sense to be honest I love how you put a lot of life into your videos

[@chaoticc00k1e4]

Another great video, and let me say you have a very calming voice

[@jan-weilim4404]

Well, Jo clearly setup Harry's sacrifice well. Guilt him by making all his closest ones die and suffer of him, making him able to just give his life up in the end. It is Harry's and frankly I feel the most heroic act of the whole saga, alongside Snape's undercover against Voldemort and Hermione's obliviate on her parents.

[@ginantsfan5]

" So when the time comes the boy must die??? Yes and Lord Voldemort himself must do it."🏰⚡🦉🧙‍♂️🌕

[@vivekanand9944]

At this point I was actually thinking while reading the books that Dumbledore was one of the Death Eaters, made up the horcrux story and lead him to believe that he needs to die

[@sketchinbeats]

I'll answer this without watching the video. Because too many people searching for them would be too big a risk of Voldemort realizing. And he would move them all.

[@phase0400]

One thing I didn't get is why the locket "horcrux" in the half blood prince was so difficult to obtain, it weakened Dumbledore severely. The golden trio would of has no chance obtaining the locket if it didn't get stolen beforehand and the actual locket was still in that cave. Even though getting the other horcruxes were hard, they were never as brutal as that.

[@GrungeMaster92]

Ive been wondering this forever. I ask people and they say "IT'S JUST A MOVIE"

[@TopRanger237]

and more so about series

[@MsMumei]

I think as well, that if the older wizards in the order of the phoenix knew about voldemorts horcruxes, one of them might have realised that harry was also a living horcrux, albeit an unintentional one. Especially as they knew about the connection with the wands, and harry picking up voldemorts thouhts. Think this was another reason for dumbledore to keep it quiet, given that harry was not supposed to realise it himself until the end.

[@izzetfe]

I always learn more from comment section. Thanks everyone, you explain it better.

[@Cursiiz]

I just came across your channel and have been enjoying your videos a lot :) Here's a follow-up question: Why didn't Voldemort kill Slughorn before Slughorn got the chance to spill the horcrux secrets?

[@abbyb3431]

Slughorn was his Head of House, and Voldermort respected his skill as a professor. The Death Eaters were searching for Slughorn because Voldemort wanted him back at Hogwarts teaching.

[@robda7195]

Think Tom's bigger mistakes in relation to making a horcrux was he should have used a random coin and just left it somewhere personally I'd have picked a sickle it would be basically impossible to find

[@ZeusCk]

Thank you for confirming my theory too

[@jamesfogarty7667]

Hey Harry Potter Theory, can you please make a video on the cursed vaults, you are the only one who could explain this at a high level

[@Trishaa02]

Oh yes! finally this one's come How long I waited for this one!!

[@dougturner2547]

Only a movie watcher, haven’t read the books but in the movies Harry told Aberforth straight out he was hunting horcruxes. Was this another instance of the movie and the book not being aligned?

[@ushas7255]

Yes , not in the book

[@LemonsRage]

I think the final chaper where harry faced voldemort was so freaking good. How he roasted Voldi and then literally killed him without ever needing to use the killing curse puhhh

[@chesterdamolester6990]

Harry didn't kill Voldemort. Voldemort killed himself when the curse rebounded.

[@c.h.9223]

@@chesterdamolester6990 Yes, but only Harry knew that this would happen and he was the only one who could provoke it. So in a way he did kill Voldemort. And I love the scene in the book and I can not stand the clip from the movie.

[@m.o.l.a6812]

@@chesterdamolester6990 It didn't happen voluntarily because Voldermort would NEVER kill themselves, Harry cornered him to that situation. He eliminated all the horcrux, Harry also led him to kill the eighth horcrux that was in it and the fact of knowing that he possessed the Elder's wand, knowing that he would bounce the spell to protect the true bearer of it. That credit goes mainly to Harry, the fact that he led Voldermort to commit suicide.

[@stijnluyten7905]

I have a question/video idea, We know that Harry's wand was the 4th most powerful wand after Voldemorts(it's maybe equally powerful), Dumbledore's original and the Elder Wand. Harry Potter is the true master of the elder wand but doesn't use it. So there are 2 more powerful wands, Now the question is what happend with Dumbledore's original and Voldemort's original wand after they both adopted the Elder wand. And the next thing is after Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape die does this mean that Harry Potter is the most powerful wizard a live? Because if you think that Harry is second tear wizard only surpast by Dumbedore, Voldemort, Grindelwald and probably Snape(who is recongized as second tear by many Potter head's). Harry is using his own trusted wand so that makes him the most powerful wizard Dumbledore and Voldemort are destroyed) a live or is there someone/ some wand who/that I overlooked?

[@stijnluyten7905]

@Oof Oooof69 wich wizards would you describe to be more powerful (in dueling) a live?

[@stijnluyten7905]

@Oof Oooof69 I am talking about this moment after Harry worked about 20 years as an auror.

[@AliAngelpie]

I think Harry wouldn't have let them because he didn't want to lose any more of his friends/supporters. He didn't even want Ron and Hermione to join him because he was afraid for their safety. He cares too much and has lost too many close ones, it would kill him if more people died because of him

[@seth1371]

What is with Rowling and the trinity

[@leto-nl]

what is the trinity?

[@seth1371]

@@leto-nl meaning the importance of three it’s throughout all of the books.

[@seth1371]

@Oof Oooof69 I agree but we cannot deny that three is also an important number in the world of Harry Potter

[@justsomepersononyoutube9271]

KZbin exists harry potter theory :

[@johnjohnsten4158]

After Nagini was dead and ALL of the Horcruxes were destroyed Harry did mention Horcruxes to Voldemort and the Crowd heard it. It seems to me best if the wizarding world did nor know there was such a thing as a Horcrux lest someone try to create one. The existence of Horcruxes should have been made top secret forever by the Ministry of Magic.

[@HunterBelkiran]

We all know Voldemort can read people's minds, so if he caught one of the Order, he could know that they knew about his Horcruxes. The more people, the more likelihood he finds out and increases protection or even worse, manages to make another.

[@MegaParrotMan]

Harry followed Dumbledores example and gave Neville no idea about how to go about it.

[@mortarteam11]

What I am interested in is, if Dumbledore couldn't start to look for Horcruxes sooner. He had the diary since the end of the Chamber of the Secrets and he probably figured out what it was soon after. So that means he had approximately 2 years to look for other Horcuxes, before Voldemort returned. I imagine it would have to be way easier to search for Horcruxes without Voldemort around.

[@aillyia]

I would think another reason is more people from the Order would figure out that Harry was a horcrux. Hermoine figured it out and tried to stop Harry and if more people knew they would have tried to stop him from going into the forest alone.

[@thegeneralavocado5289]

And here is the daily dose of living will.

[@christianask3970]

Fabulous explanation!

[@swartchalk6745]

Let’s not forgot Snape was always in on Harry’s mission. Says a lot about how much Dumbledore must’ve trusted Snape if he let him on it and not the others.

[@beastlybeast7696]

No Snape didnt know about Harrys mission, he just sometimes help them on Dumbledores orders!

[@ushas7255]

Snape knew little more than some of the other order members but not fully though, he didn't know everything. Also snape was known for his occulemency skills among the order already.

[@abbyb3431]

Dumbledor might not have told Snape, but Snape prob figured it out. Snape had enough pieces to put 2 + 2 together. He was busy doing what he could to protect the Hogwarts students.

[@Daeomyn]

The thing you missed was that Harry, being a horcrux himself, couldn't die unless Voldemort did it himself. Dumbledore had lots of time to think about the prophecy and probably reasoned that Harry would be the only one guaranteed to survive until the very end when it was possible for Voldemort to be killed. Add to that Harry's mental defence of Love and friendship that both repelled and pained Voldemort when he entered Harry's mind during the battle at the ministries, he was the only one safe from Voldemort's Legilimency.

[@chardo.]

In my headcanon Dumbledore wanted to prevent a possible new Voldemort to rise by knowing about Horcruxes. Horcruxes are one of the darkest and worst kinds of magic. Both the victim and the caster will suffer in the end.

[@alexandrelopes3466]

Hello, i have watch Harry Potter 4 times, and i am watching it for the 5 time, and today, while watching Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire i realised that: why didn't Dumbledore "took Harry's memory" (like he did to himself on 1.48.32 of the movie Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire) of fighting Voldermort, to prove to the ministry that he really was back, I looked for a video explaining that but didn't find any, and as you are probably the best in Harry Potter theorys, i hope you could make a video about it. I will be waiting for your answer. A Fan :)

[@diamondassassin1292]

The video was released like 17 seconds ago, did you just copy paste it?

[@GryphonB]

To much logic for the wizarding world

[@alexandrelopes3466]

I have already got an answer but i would like to know what you think about it..

[@alexandrelopes3466]

@@diamondassassin1292 maybe.. but yes, i said the same last video, but he didnt saw it.. ahhaha

[@GryphonB]

@@alexandrelopes3466 maybe memories can be modified? So they aren't proof

[@harikalaarts2350]

I really miss Neville's parents they were helpless:(

[@memandi2]

It's implied that there was also another reason not to involve the Order. When he was a headminister of Hogwarts, Dumbledore removed all the books containing information about horcruxes. He believed them to be the darkest of magic and did not want anyone knowing how to make one. And it worked, as proof that even Tom Riddle had to ask Slughorn. Letting me people in on the task would mean more people later on knowing what it takes to make a horcrux so that knowledge would keep living.

[@eimanb3887]

Great video

[@MrLovolovo]

dumbledore had some heavy trust issues...

[@pinkystinkeye5120]

Great video!

[@cauedellatorregoncalves3935]

Well, there was professor Slughorn who knew it too... and he gave the specific memory of that to Harry, because Dumbledore had asked him for it before. Horace wasnt from the order, but he could have shared the info with others when it was confirmed that Voldemort was back. At least I would, lol. Great video btw.

[@cathallynch1]

I think Slughorn wanted to keep that information quiet as it meant he was the person who was responsible for Voldemort being nearly immortal.

[@MrBonarific]

i love this channel!!!

[@limiv5272]

I don't think Dumbledore allowed Harry to share knowledge with Ron and Hermione just because he thought Harry would do it anyway. He knew Harry would fail without them. He's not Voldemort, always alone and friendless by choice. Harry didn't tell Neville about the horcruxes, as the text read out right after that statement shows. Harry just told him it's important to kill Nagini. I think you missed two of the reasons only Harry and his friends were told about horcruxes. The first reason would be that as teenagers that hadn't even graduated from school, they would be underestimated which would give them the element of surprise. The second - Harry's ability to see into Voldemort's mind. While it had been a problem at times, it had also been an asset. Since Harry would essentially become Voldemort during those visions, he had a unique insight into Voldemort's mind and how he thinks and operates. Dumbledore also must've realized that if Harry could eventually learn to control it he could get a lot of information nobody else could.

[@bailatwerski2951]

It wasn't even that it was that Harry can sense the horcruxes. He also know that Hermione was trustworthy and extremely intelligent and that Ron would be a great support for Harry emotionally

[@dazie5443]

I think, in the books, (deathly hallows) it’s at the beginning, how Molly keeps telling Harry, Ron and Hermionie that they can’t skip school and should stay safe blah blah blah but Ron tells the order that it’s something to do with Dumbledore. Everyone shut up after that. So after the wedding when they apparated to the cafe, grimmald place etc, they didn’t follow them because they knew it was something to do with Dumbledore.

[@briandenton9713]

Hell yeah love new videos

[@PhantomViper49]

Hocruxes can be anything so sense Harry can actually detect which object is a hocrux when he’s in the general area makes things different . But then again the order of Phoenix is quite large and if all of them went searching there wouldn’t be enough on the front lines actually fighting death eaters and doing other tasks . It would also be quite suspicious and Voldemort would probably catch on that they’re all hunting his hocruxes .

[@williamfincher2260]

Harry was the only one with the connection. Plus, Dumbledore didn't have all the necessary information to know how many there were or where they were hidden. They didn't have enough information to work with.

[@hmm-technikOrganizacjiReklamy]

For me, what you say is not true. Albus thought at first that Harry would have to die. But that has changed in the Order of the Phoenix: when Harry tells the director what happened at the centimeter, Albus smiles at a strange moment. He already knows that there is a chance to save Harry because Voldemort used Harry's blood in such a way that he may never be able to kill him. this is what is mentioned when in book 7 harry meets the spirit of Albus again. Albus knew that Harry would only survive in one case: if he voluntarily gave his life for others and Voldemort himself killed him. Therefore he gave the task of Severus to tell Harry that he was a Horcrux. Harty, however, reveals some of Albus' plans after talking to Aberfort, telling him what he is looking for when he meets the Dambledor Guard. And then he entrusts the task to Nevil, knowing that he was about to die. Just like Albus Harry. Moreover, Albus did not take into account that if the plans failed and Harry was killed by someone else, for example, someone else would have to kill Voldemort and know about the Horcruxes, and therefore he insured himself in the form of Ron and Hermione.

[@jackhoward5822]

hi. i like the videos you post. can you please post a link to the background music.

[@marinasti7351]

lupin prolly wanted harry to tell him about the secret and to go with him in order to protect them bc in the past when the potters were hiding they made peter the secret keeper bc lupin wasnt there, so i think he kind of felt guilty in a way and he didn't want the same thing to happen now with harry. Bc if he was the one keeping the potters secter they wouldnt be killed.

[@saikatbond2009]

Oh how much I love your voice❤

[@BubblyGirl1198]

Can we get a vid analyzing why the wizarding world has the “greatest wizard” and “brightest witch” titles and what that really means? We hear that a lot, but how does that work?

[@nigelthornberry7936]

How haven’t you run out of video ideas? Thumbs up from me 👍🏻

[@iainspence2262]

That’s was great video Harry Potter theory I didn’t know that he told Neville that kill snake thanks for telling me that I always would why Neville killed it iain spence

[@leto-nl]

its in the book harry told him to kill the snake but not about horcroxes only that the snake had to die

[@logangooch3237]

Another possible reason that Dumbledore did not tell the order, was simple due to the fact that as you said, they could be anything. Only harry could really sense what it was. The ring and the diary could be guessed. But the diadem, the trophy and the snake..could have simply been that for all the order would've known, and thus Voldemort would've survived.

[@TickTuber]

Potential theory/idea: are the letters persistent to prevent obscurials? Was the persistent for the letter to get to Harry a one-off? Or is it the same for every other magical student? Its possible Dumbledore wanted every magical student at the school to reduce the risk of an obscurial considering his sister and Credence were one.

[@SnowyWolborg]

Because certain information needs to be kept in a very small circle. Voldemort has people under the Imperius curse and traitors in the Ministry, and letting the whole Order be in on the Horcrux hunt is too risky when you never know who might go missing.

[@arthurhui9727]

2:49 "...Dumbledore had told him that he was to confide the contents of their lessons to nobody but HARRY (aka Ron) and Hermoine"

[@djdanid6239]

What about Slughorn he also knew Lord Voldemort made Horcruxes

[@sillygoosetaur]

1. He’s a coward 2. He didn’t know he made more then one

[@kylebernard7755]

Or as an alternate theory Dumbledore is such a control freak he wouldn't give them any information on them.Yes I have Dumbledore issues.

[@rigbyricenoodle]

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who hates dumbledore

[@DBLCreations]

I think there are other reasons too. I mean, there must only be one, that knows about it and wants something like a Horcrux for him or herself. Or someone getting scared and would want to score points with Voldemort, someone who wouldn't want him dead. Enough reasons why not to trust people with this kind of information. And i also believe that Dumbledore would've thought, maybe it's better to give this info with not too much experience in magic than to a full blown wizard. Who knows lot's of magic and could take the information to his or her advantage. I do think however that Remus would've been of great help, he would do anything for Harry i'm sure. He even died for him, together with Tonks. I believe both would've been of great assistance. I think there are lot's of ways the story of Harry Potter could have gone. I personally still want an origin story about Voldemort, the conditions under which he was born, seeing his parents and grandparents, see him go to Hogwarts, changing his appearance because of horcruxes, seeing him learn about dark magic in general and horcruxes, how it's made and how it affect his body. Seeing him meet Nagini. I also want a Maraudors origin as well. And other spin-offs. I would like it soo much. I've seen the KZbin movies and i think they are really cool. I would like to see an official and true version of it. Man, i miss HP in my life 😂 Happy New Year to everyone 🎆 🍾