Why The U.S. Has A Massive Lithium Supply Problem

[@gregghoge5587]

I fully agree that the United States needs to become more in control of our own destiny when it comes to raw material supply and refining. We can't be left in the position where everything we need has to come from somewhere else. We need to do the necessary mining and refining in the most environmentally responsible way possible. That said, if you fly over Nevada at 40,000 feet or so, there's a whole lot of open space there.... Charlotte, NC may be a different story.

[@arnowisp6244]

Damn, it's almost as though those people complaining about outsourcing had a point...

[@cchui01]

@@arnowisp6244 Well, then the next complain will be - it is too costly and labor intensive...back to the beginning of the outsourcing cycle.

[@GrandChessboard]

@@arnowisp6244 Those crybabies were all commies that wanted to tell business how they should run themselves. The more wealth and power you transfer to the top the more American you are...

[@eal8645]

$$$$!

[@thebestevertherewas]

@@arnowisp6244 Outsourcing select industries actually has a merit. Now outsourcing key industries like Semiconductors is not a good idea. Outsourcing Mining of some minerals is actually necessary to prevent land erosion. Also withholding Natural Resources which can be used in the future to gain an geopolitical advantage is actually a win.

[@michaeloreilly657]

One of the main issues with Lithium refining is water use, particularly in arid areas. . This video does not address it adequately.

[@MrCcristof]

Agreed. There is no meaning to extract Li in US at 3 times the cost, Chile can provide the whole US needs, what it has to be done is to develop the refining capacity. Today it goes as Li from Chile or Australia to China and comes as hydroxide to the US battery producers, what a waste!

[@vladimirdoyle3934]

That's why we need to set up refineries in wet Areas. The only way we can get everyone to ditch I.C.E vehicles is to set up Ev manufacturing all around the US, not just in some areas.

[@tomgucwa7319]

If man wants the lithium he will move in the water..Greek aqua ducts..just adds to the cost

[@vladimirdoyle3934]

@@tomgucwa7319 just use rail. Efficient and hauls more product than pipelines and frieght

[@garethbaus5471]

@@vladimirdoyle3934 pipelines are substantially more efficient at transporting liquids, so if you are supplying the water to a large project that requires a constant supply of water pipelines are the superior choice. Trains certainly are more efficient than trucks, and for solids or relatively small amounts of liquids are pretty good the most efficient way to ship just about anything over land.

[@generalvee2773]

The main reason is US's short sightedness and bad policies.

[@Madarax1337]

Regardless of who wins it's an old man who shouts stuff that kids don't agree with

[@benpezzot8805]

And china is cheaper to do stuff in compared to the us

[@todddammit4628]

True. The right's complete denial of the situation and both sides' placating to the fossil fuel industry has put the US in a really bad position to compete. Thanks GOP and conservative dems...

[@royhuang9715]

It’s funny in a “democracy” the US citizen has no power to fix the short sightedness or bad policies. Is it really a “democracy” or just another form of dictatorship ran by a few hundred rich families.

[@todddammit4628]

@@royhuang9715 The US has never been a democracy. First, the senate is wildly anti-democratic. Giving every state 2 senators regardless of population means you give far more power to minority populations. Second, the electoral college means that a 10 year old census dictates how many votes a politician will get, instead of the people themselves. It also means you can have two states, one where a candidate lose by 1% and the other where they win by 50% lose the electoral college because it is winner take all. Finally, there are no common standards for protecting a persons right to vote, be registered, and have access to a polling place. America is not a democracy. It is a minoritarian plutocracy based on white supremacist christian fascism.

[@freeman4755]

I feel like Wendover put it well in his newest video on EV batteries, at around 14:25 in his video, roughly quoted he says "EV's are dirtier to make, but the majority of emissions come from driving them, electric vehicles from production, to use, to scraping, are responsible for about 75% LESS emissions, even using dirty fossil fuel electric grids to get there, anyone who argues the opposite is either misinformed, or attempting to disinform" there is no such thing as clean mining, but if this step has to be dirty to make the clean alternatives we need, then I'm all for it

[@garethbaus5471]

Pretty much.

[@shanemooon]

Less emissions is only one part of the puzzle. That’s what people aren’t getting. EV’s and Lithium mining has huge effects to local environments and ecosystems. So while yes, it produces much less “emissions”….it’s local environmental impact can be considered much worse than crude oil. And there is no telling what trickle down effects that could have. Not to mention that Lithium’s accessible supply is quite small and finite.

[@AE-bh5zs]

And most likely they work for fossil fuel industries and don't own an electric or hybrid. I've yet to meet the owner of an electric or hybrid car who wants to go back to paying much more in fuel costs for a markedly inferior product.

[@MRRookie232]

Watching his video now and it’s so much better in nearly every way to what CNBC has turned around with a much a larger budget.

[@arnowisp6244]

@@AE-bh5zs Inferior? Some people have dropped thier EVs for gas because of limited number of charging stations and the time to charge. Compared to how you only need a few minutes to fill up a tank.

[@shauryasingh007]

CNBC down bad stealing video ideas from Wendover productions

[@yanirasalka412]

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[@jarjarbinks6018]

We need to capture the lithium recycling industry for domestic market demand. Lithium recycling will be the final key to the longevity of the ev car market

[@JJ-de8hg]

Theirs is one Elon old partner though about it and created a company

[@btroy3768]

Way cost too much

[@magnanimus1150]

Redwood

[@madensmith7014]

Plastic recycling failed fyi

[@jaystarr6571]

But are you familiar with The LaSalle? Or maybe The Prophecy of The Shadowy Clown?

[@quahgalaxys4821]

US will need to list lithium and rare metal productions under emergency national security measures. The problem of shortage is real and delayed action to start production will bring US EV ambitions to its knees.

[@roadtrippin2781]

it's not an emergency though, we really don't need it. For what, Batteries? Get real. Battery tech is surpassing the need for lithium if you follow that.

[@ericyuan9718]

@@roadtrippin2781 The question is can that battery tech become cheap enough before the lithium supply worldwide dwindles enough to be an urgent concern.

[@khavaliar]

@@roadtrippin2781 even solid state batteries use lithium. The lithium free batteries you speak of are decades away We have barely perfected solid state so slow down sir. It takes years for every new evolution

[@roadtrippin2781]

@@khavaliar There are much more chemistry blends than lithium, and they are more dependable with longer lifespans and have been around for decades longer than lithium chem batts, Just throwing that out there. All I was saying is lithium isn't the be all, end all of battery chemistry and they aren't taking as long as you think. If you follow this closely you'll see that.

[@khavaliar]

@@roadtrippin2781 depends on the use case.. if it's for cars and electronic then lithium probably for now. But large power storage I've seen things like iron and vanadium batteries and whatever else they can conjure up

[@jsosa1981]

Don’t worry when Mexico starts mining their lithium the problem will be solved and electric car company’s will move there operations there, Mexico has the largest reserves in the world

[@arnowisp6244]

Americans whp suppprted EVs because they will give them jobs. "What about us?"

[@carlosvazquez8399]

I just hope that if that becomes the case. GM and Chrysler don't "hog" all of it so that Tesla won't get any. It's pretty evident.

[@btroy3768]

Ship coke to US profit better than lithium

[@railroadforest30]

It shouldn’t be mined everywhere the nature should be preserved

[@investingthelike111]

hard rock or brine reserves? Not one large project has come up on my radar for lithium in Mexico

[@jboy2621]

Great, so instead of fights over oil, we'll just adjust to lithium...

[@Chrissers2010]

11:49 "My original goal was to raise awareness about how these lithium mines would be destroying some of the last beautiful places left in the United States". He needs to get out more and see the vast beauty of this country.

[@jmonsted]

Shall we destroy one beautiful valley or the entire world including that valley. It seems like an easy choice to me.

[@tomgucwa7319]

Desert sands cobbles an pebbles , if you got to rough up something , dessert is the easiest to rebuild..just go untill it's worthless level scrub .

[@TheBooban]

@@tomgucwa7319 yeah, its just dirt. But i also wonder regular mines aren’t returned to their natural state. They just leave a huge hold in the ground. It should be a requirement.

[@jmonsted]

@@TheBooban Most countries have strict laws about remediation after mining operations finish. Many require you to place money in escrow for it so you can't just go bankrupt and leave.

[@Nyhiak]

We don’t. And be careful investing in crappy stocks.

[@flakgun153]

There's huge amounts of lithium right next to Tesla's plant in Nevada. The problem is that lithium is so cheap it's not worth it to mine it domestically. The lithium in a lithium ion battery is only 3% of the cost. It's basically irrelevant. There's no shortage of cheap litium to go around Cobalt is 60%. Cobalt mostly comes from the congo, mostly produced with slave labor. Lithium is not the issue. Stop wasting so much time trying to equate lithium reserves to oil reserves. No one is going to go to war over lithium

[@SDGreg]

Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries don't require Cobalt.

[@tomgucwa7319]

Thanks Greg , I'm thinking about a e bike...what battery's are the best ? Any ideas?

[@yanirasalka412]

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[@Tinjinladakh]

Lithium is just a face but on background phosphate + nickle and other material combined called lithum. And tesla using there next gen battery using less colbalt bcoz of human right.

[@degummybear]

This doesn't sound right.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Most of our problem is our production has been regulated out of business by bad mining practices of the past.

[@id10t98]

As someone that lived in Alaska, married an Alaskan Indian and has worked in many Native American Indian villages, I can say with great certainty that most of them do not want mines nor the jobs that come with them, whether they are well paid jobs or not. Indian cultures are all about sustaining the status quo of the earth, increasing the harmony of nature and people as they go through life. They arent interested in the new-fangled gadgets most white people think they cant live without.

[@aarsoul9860]

Look up lithium extraction at the Salton sea they use natural geothermals to remove lithium from the ground

[@graphosxp]

I have too many lithium battery powered devices in storage because manufacturers have stop support for OS updates, locked bootloaders etc. Results being devices have become unusable. Google, Amazon, Apple want people to upgrade to the latest model and the environment be damned. "lithium supply problem" made worse by artificial obsolescence.

[@jonny777bike]

We will need to get recycling 100% of electronics. If we could recycling all electronics and also be able to recycle even more of our trash. We should also invest in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and look for other technologies that don’t have raw material shortages.

[@khavaliar]

Fuel cells also use very expensive rare earth metals

[@profounddamas]

No possible, currently pc and smartphone/tablet components are only 20% recyclable. A far cry of what is really needed.

[@Uberwald93]

It's interesting when the "blood and soil" mindset is expressed and no one notices.

[@Drozit0]

This goes to show that individual forms of transportation like cars will not be the solution to the climate crisis and the US must reinvest in green public transportation

[@Not-Sorry2011]

@not your cat everyone could take a lesson from Denver's public transit. Best I've seen.

[@mdjey2]

Exactly, but not just that. Zoning laws should be eliminated, I haven't seen anything this stupid. Walkable cities is what is needed in US. Ask Europeans, they know best.

[@cte4dota]

Here in Serbia we fight off Rio Tinto mining lithium! 2.4Billion project is scraped! To save our ecological system.

[@multimediaproduction6674]

Very good video, thank you.

[@profounddamas]

Not really after you watch this video: "The price of green energy | DW Documentary"

[@joeblack4436]

Massive desalination should be considered. For water and food security, but also the oceans contain significant amounts of Lithium, and it remains in the slurry from desalination plants. Along with other useful metals and minerals. Maybe the net economic benefit can make it economically viable.

[@Not-Sorry2011]

No desalination. Who is pushing this crap?

[@billpetersen298]

@@Not-Sorry2011 I’ve seen lots of these comments too. No idea, where it’s coming from.

[@Palemagpie]

Is that actually your name or a clever reference to death?

[@djo9c1]

Desalinization is very energy-intensive. Also sea water is less than 1 ppm lithium, more like 200 parts per billion. Compare that to sodium (10800 ppm), magnesium (1290 ppm), calcium (411 ppm), potassium (392 ppm), and strontium (8.1 ppm) -- not to mention the corresponding anions of all those salts: chloride, sulfate, bicarbonate, bromide, borate, fluoride, silicate, iodide...

[@joeblack4436]

@@djo9c1 A low concentration yes, but when you consider that in the middle east alone billions (plural) of litres of seawater is desalination each day, then concentrations in the order of hundreds parts per billion starts looking rather interesting. The chemistry needed to isolate Lithium and other useful minerals from salty brines are not even that challenging. Any measures to extract metals from the waste brine will only alleviate environmental concerns. Solar and wind are also ideally efficient for processes like desalination, since there is zero real need to run such plants continuously. You don't even need energy storage to make it perfectly viable using the de facto cheapest and most benign forms of electricity generation .

Tesla has already purchased 10,000 acres of land in Nevada, where it plans to mine lithium, not far away from his Gigafactory 1.

[@danijelandroid]

A few years ago, I heard that Tesla/Elon had a patent for extracting lithium from clay.

[@scottjohnston2799]

@@danijelandroid cypress development seems like they could crack that code of clay extraction. i guess we shall see with time

[@asjeot]

At least the US has Australia as a key ally so lithium supply is/can be secured if the US needs to import.

[@triadwarfare]

Just because they are allies now doesn't mean that their future is secure. Most countries are selfish. If local demand is higher than what they can externally supply, they will have no choice but to stop exports, ally or not. In a hypothetical scenario that China somehow had managed to subdue Australia in a war, American industries that would rely on Lithium will be severely crippled because they don't have backup supply chains.

[@treymansfield7919]

Canada has large lithium reserves probably alot easier to import it from there then Australia

[@doritosicecream2820]

@@triadwarfare dont underestimate a dog loyalty to its owner, if Australia really want to give up its economy for USA, just give thier leftovers and he will be happy at your side 😏.

[@ricnyc2759]

Nah. The US will sell lithium to China. Remember when the US started exporting beef to China when Australia played a fool.

[@sendthis9480]

Have you seen how much lithium Australia exports every year?!?!? Their reserves are 1/10th the size of Chile…yet they export 10x MORE than Chile. They’ll run out in < 10 years.

[@steveepayne4957]

Well thats just what we need more electric cars to stress the already stressed electrical grid.... Someone making big bucks on that one!

[@doughesson]

Nancy Pelosi sure did when Joe Biden ordered that the White House ground vehicle fleet was to be completely electric. She was able to buy stocks in ev & battery manufacturers before the prices went up. Can you say"insider trading"?

[@mahdiruhulla]

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[@speedmaster7107]

Next: Why the U.S. doesn't have enough mango trees...or Why the U.S. fell behind moped technology..

[@lifeisneverthesame910]

and then why the US is fall behind in space exploration technology...

[@kurdi98k]

The US knows that THERE IS NO ROOM FOR ERROR when it comes to "strategic materials" availability moving forward

[@readoutloud6171]

Damn if only it wasn't in California we'd be able to get it.

[@curiouscollectiblesAU]

i can't believe I can't clip that at 14:30. One of the biggest rebuttals in the EV revolution debate and this guy has grown up with internal combustion engines.

[@claybroze3311]

American Manganese Inc is going to be huge in this space. They are one of the few companies that can upcycle/recycle 99% of lithium in EV batteries. They are about to blow up

[@tira2145]

Yeah, sounds like it is a very dangerous place. Seen a lot of Tesla batteries catch on fire. Almost impossible to put out.

[@Les_S537]

@@tira2145 no, a lot of Tesla batteries do not catch fire. Out of the ~2.5 million Tesla’s built to date, only a hundred or so have caught fire, and battery fires can be put out

[@tira2145]

@@Les_S537 while it's rare, it killed a entire family in my community. You should never park a Tesla in a garage. Where I live, all these uppity Tesla driver's think that they are so much better than common folk. We just laugh at them for driving coal powered cars.

[@RM-rh3mz]

@@tira2145 he doesn’t mean physically blow up 🤦🏼‍♂️ he’s talking about the company’s popularity

[@DripDripDrip69]

@@tira2145 Battery cars catch fire far less frequently than gasoline cars. Very little electricity is produced by coal in the U.S. Even if you are from West Virginia the only state where coal power is still dominant you are still better off charging a battery than filling gasoline because big power plants have much higher heat efficiency than small combustion engines.

[@Mrbfgray]

OK Newsom--- slash the heck out of crippling regulations, Cali ran mining out of town decades ago, I'll be shocked if YOU can make it viable again. Washington could help by getting out of the way. I used to do contract process equipment fabrication for Silver Peak operation. (was Foote Mineral back then)

[@atenas80525]

Curious how Australia keeps coming up as so critical to the world's economy

[@id10t98]

Their mining knowledge is some of the best in the world and they are in China's backyard, supplying them with massive amounts of iron ore and other commodities.

[@downrightmike]

All they have in mineral resources that can be mined in 90% of their country without much opposition, because it is a giant desert an no one lives there.

[@CallmeBotakaOrc]

lol

[@djo9c1]

13th largest economy in the world, 9th highest GDP per capita, 15.7% of the total land area in the Southern Hemisphere (22.1% of non-Antarctic Southern Hemisphere land), the wealthiest country in the world, consistent growth faster than the OECD average, the only advanced economy in the world to not go into recession in 2008, consistently ranking in the 80th percentile or better in the Global Innovation Index.....

[@samal3196]

It's amazing they've come so far in mineral mining considering how heavy the stuff can be. Took them ages to stop all the rock just falling off.

[@nickking1510]

The Clayton valley in Nevada is home to one of the few areas in North America with a large deposits that are fairly shallow and fairly easily extractable . There are 2 Canadian companies that own properties in the Clayton valley both have sizeable deposits of Lithium . Spearmint resources has a sizeable deposits already and recently drilled one of the largest concentrations to be recorded in that area which will likely add significantly to their already sizeable deposits . The other company is Cruz battery metals in the Clayton valley both companies are bordering major lithium producers . The companies are very under valued at this point considering that Lithium has gone up approximately 400% since Spearmint got a confirmed resources estimates from a major mining estimator last year and now getting a further resource estimate update based on large concentrations found in recent drilling

[@batsy3]

really hope the mining companies and the inhabitants of thacker pass come up with a good solution. this will make the lithium companies extremely wealthy.

[@id10t98]

and the people who invest in them! Start ups- Lithium Americas, LAC; Lake Resources, LLKKF, Standard Lithium, SLI; Palladium, PLL; Ameriwest Lithium AWLIF; Established Companies-Albemarle, ALB; Sociedad Quimica, SQM; Livent, LTHM. glta!

[@majorchungus]

If the mines filled in the open pit after they were done it wouldn't be so bad but the companies just leave when they are done.

[@satyakisil9711]

According to CNBC the USA has a massive everything supply problem.

[@htaukkyanmyo4437]

According to CNBC, every supply problem is China's fault.

[@arnowisp6244]

@@htaukkyanmyo4437 Funny enough its actually true as absurd it is because of how much was outsourced by the US.

[@lukmanabdinasir7927]

Totally... and no one else beside the U.S. can be the leader in anything.

[@almendratlilkouatl]

@@htaukkyanmyo4437 actually, every world problem's cause can be traced to China, they are destroying everything, even their people

[@notsure5955]

Lepidico, ASX : LPD

[@JJ-si4qh]

1:50. Doesn't look destroyed to me. I'm an environmentalist, and some issues are more important than others. The transition away from fossil fuels far outweighs more local concerns when reducing our carbon footprint on a global scale. The ancestral lands argument is honestly starting sounds like a cash grab by raising the stakes and ultimately how much a company will pay to mine there. 8:28. Oh? I guess the Aral Sea doesn't make the list. 11:48. Last beautiful places in America? This guy DROVE to Thacker Pass. Were his eyes closed? The entire drive is beautiful, and so is much of the country. Wack argument, especially given 97% of the country is rural and mostly unspoiled. Most comments in the comment section of this video are downright terrible and debunked with a cursory Google search.

[@Krnesbitt]

I am ok with a “cash grab”. The companies and the government should pay this community their money and or give them equity. Pay these people their money and let’s move on.

[@desertsoldier41]

Newer battery cell technology will overcome the lithium issue. Rare Earths hopefully will be overcome in the next decade or so with lunar regolith mining.

[@internetgod5407]

@@desertsoldier41 don't you think we should discover that new technology before we stop using fossil fuel and let million people die

[@internetgod5407]

An environmentalist what the hell does that mean where did you go to environmental School

[@stuartburns8657]

@@desertsoldier41 No it won't, the concentrations are too low, and the added costs of extraction and revival make it a ludicrous proposition

[@Ergzay]

Lithium is not the primary component of these batteries, as the guy you interviewed said. But you obviously cut out the part where he said that it's not a major limiter for battery production.

[@andyjohnson3790]

The US needs to be #1 with recycling every battery that gets produced and shipped to this country. I wish all battery recyclers the best but Li-Cycle might beat them all.

[@youxkio]

Excellent video!

[@bkparque]

The problem is not lithium its nickel production

[@billpetersen298]

And lots of Copper.

[@Sausage_army]

And cobalt

[@bkparque]

@@Sausage_army cobalt is being phased out. Copper is plentiful. The problem is nickel

[@rosariolivatinomartirdajus1480]

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[@Tinjinladakh]

Lithium is just a face but on background phosphate + nickle + Cobalt and other material combined called lithum

[@pilotavery]

Phosphorus and nickel are less of a big deal but nickel kind of is, cobalt is not used in lithium iron phosphate batteries at all anymore so Cobalt is not really a big deal since everyone is phasing it out. Lithium is still the material that is going to be the most scarce. All of the others have massive manufacturing and mining is used for all kinds of industries, however, 90% of lithium is already being used for electric vehicles and mobile phones and laptops, which makes it very difficult to increase production.

[@victorhopper6774]

@@pilotavery nonsense lithium is a very common element. refined lithium is in demand because it had limited uses before. at the current spot price there will be plenty of supply within ten years. copper is way more scarce of a element and is about a third the price right now cause it has been mined to meet demand.

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

The environment will suffer no matter what. People and their demand will be their end

[@paulwestwood4417]

There are large lithium deposits here in the U.K., in Cornwall. I don’t know why Elon Musk didn’t build his European giga factory in the U.K. instead of Berlin.

[@zachu1587]

because of Brexit, maybe

[@NicklasToft]

dont wanna pay import tax to EU :P

[@papajohnsuk5965]

No thanks, we don;t want elon fanboys here.

[@a-don13]

@@papajohnsuk5965 lmao isn't Tesla dominating your market rn?

[@temper44]

It has nothing to do with Brexit, that is a close minded opinion. The reason is that if you make the cars in the UK, they come out driving on the wrong side of the road.

[@bennyoropeza5665]

A little birdie told me there looking for it in Mexico

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

The US shouldn't have a Lithium supply problem - California's Salton Sea is rich in Lithium and can not only fulfil the needs of the US, it has been estimated that it could supply 40% of the demand from the rest of the world.

[@rolandgonzales3343]

The 90s. Miss those days.

[@roger_welco]

Not in my backyard sums up 99% of the environmentalists view. EV technology is great as long the power isn't generated near me or the environment damage is hidden from me.

[@andyjohnson3790]

EV vehicles take 40-70% more energy to produce than an ICE vehicles. One of the main reasons why environmentalist are worried is because government policy and education for consumers is basically zero, so the end of life use for EVs must be addressed to make them a positive for the environment in the long run.

[@ytgeek8268]

@@andyjohnson3790 Negative. It does not take more energy to make a EV than an ICE vehicle.

[@taragnor]

Yeah, I'm really skeptical about EV's becoming a mass-produced solution in general. At the very least I have not had very good luck with lithium batteries. They lose roughly half their battery life in 2-3 years, and around 5-6 they usually become nearly incapable of holding a charge. That's my experience anyway (maybe I'm just unlucky, I don't know), but that's the way it is with my tablets/phones and as far as I know the tech is the same they use in EV batteries, just obviously on a larger scale. Honestly I can't imagine having to replace an expensive car battery every few years and make it anywhere near cost effective. Especially not since the battery for an EV is one of the most expensive components.

[@pghbh381]

@@ytgeek8268 This is the most helpful video so far on this issue. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooDcq3-Jd6h1jdE Some others here are legit in their concerns about EVs deceptively displacing CO2 emissions. And then there are the ethical issues. Currently, there are well over a billion automobiles on the road. The impact of mining/extracting battery minerals to replace them needs to be factored into this craze.

[@spiritualservicesgodbless7641]

Thank you for the video

[@sheep4521]

Lithium made me feel even more brain dead than I already am

[@jackwilliams7738]

Lamictal is even worse than lithium

[@internetgod5407]

Growing up my next door neighbor work for the lithium Corporation of America in Bessemer City there is still plenty of lithium in North Carolina

[@ph11p3540]

Lithium is not only a very common chemical element in the earths crust but exists in large minable deposits in sufficiently high purity grades. In fact, all over the US and Canada there are at least two dozen closed down but perfectly good lithium mines. British Columbia alone has 4 very large lithium mines all closed down since the 1970s because the price of lithium dropped. Lithium is everywhere globally. It's cobalt, that's used as lithium battery cathodes, that's in short supply.

[@0hypnotoad0]

The key in the near-term is going to be to use LFP batteries. They are cheaper and cleaner to manufacture, longer lived, and do not require cobalt or nickle, and are more than adequate to power more "economy" EVs. Tesla has started switching their "standard range" models to LFP battery packs, they largely maintain the same range and efficiency, but the battery costs far less and will have a much longer lifespan. A bit slower, but I don't think the majority of people need blisteringly fast cars

[@faa9261]

Those reserves really belong to those native tribes

[@troyt8771]

Having been watching CNBC video and it seems the us is behind at everything

[@plugger1998]

Once lithium is mined, processed and enters the lithium-ion battery supply chain, it can be used and then recycled over and over again. Not true for fossil fuels. Key difference. Environmentalists should be supporting lithium mining in countries, like the US and Australia, that have sophisticated mining regulations that minimise environmental impacts.

[@SahilP2648]

Actually mining in US or anywhere else isn't needed. There are large deposits in Argentina, Bolivia and Chile. The only problem is that the locals there do not permit this otherwise we wouldn't have any issues.

[@arnowisp6244]

Because they aren't trading the beauty of mother earth in exchange for "promises."

[@ADHD55]

@@SahilP2648 why would they destroy their environment and pollute their ground water mining toxic lithium so Americans can drive EV, ??

[@SahilP2648]

@@ADHD55 umm cause it's better for the environment overall? The location of these salt plains are where there's low population. So the companies going to mine there can essentially pay a certain percentage of profit to the local government and the local government in turn can dig wells or whatever for the local people. Even better would be to relocate the small population (by paying them for housing) to a wealthy city where water is not an issue.

[@vinceszigetvari6137]

This. Plus one need x amount of lithium to produce the battery and then you good to go, whereas fossil fuels need to be pumped into the car day by day... That is why lithium is might be called white gold, it will never be like oil. If lithium supply is cut, new car production is halted, but existing cars can be used. If oil is cut, everything falls apart. The dependence on battery minerals cannot be compared with that of oil.

[@jaredcantlon252]

Incredible production 👌🏼 I approached the video with an assumption that extraction is so obviously “the right thing”. Yet - there are so many sensitivities to consider. Very difficult macro environmental trade offs to weigh with fundamental questions raised by indigenous populations (and also endangered plant life) that philosophically boil down to “what do we need” as humans occupying this planet… while I don’t expect we’ll slow down the living standards we’ve grown accustomed to, it’s increasingly obvious how our “work” is creating increasingly complex trade offs that ultimately fall subject to the ignorance as well as the emotions of whomever results in power at the end of the struggle.

[@arindamkumar7725]

To environmentalists: On the one hand you want to stop global warming and then you want to stop Lithium mining. You can't have both. Choose one

[@thomasvolm8952]

Finally, the real issue! What I have not seen in comments so far. Look at the pictures of Lithium mines. Not pretty. So when the enviros see what will be required for this 'green' tech, they will go ballistic. And what also has not been mentioned is the thousands of tons of copper and other metals to build out the electrical infrastructure so everyone can plug in all of these EVs.

[@matthewv789]

Excellent report. I learned a lot.

[@victorhopper6774]

this was a penny stock add.

[@tomgucwa7319]

This shortfall was predictable in 1975....it's silly to see this lack of planing.

[@Cynthia_Cantrell]

No one was predicting lithium battery powered cars in 1975. They were predicting global warming though.

[@tomgucwa7319]

Submarines jets an rocket ships ,all need highenergy low weight batteries . Livermore labs..by 1960 it would have been obvious- your smug , an very wrong

[@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath]

Many people “ancestors” were removed from their graves in San Francisco to Colma. They didn’t even move the gravestones and broken marble pieces from them can still be seen lining walkways in a SF park.

[@Thebreakdownshow1]

US has fallen back on a lot of things. Back in the day the world looked up to US to be the leader.

[@jiya6531]

I agree the more you try and understand US the more you realize how many flaws it has causing it barely move on the progress.

[@doujinflip]

Because corporations captured politics, fooling us into believing globalization would mean more export opportunities when it ended up more offshoring. All while granting the resources to automate us all out of a decent entry-level job. And with the way they wrote and lobbied the tax code, the public sees none of the durable benefits of those profits.

[@prolarka]

That was at times when the rest of the world was left in ruins after the WWs.

[@pudanielson1]

The US is at the mercy of not having the natural resources to supply things we need.

[@Thebreakdownshow1]

@@prolarka I agree because a lot of the smart brains from Europe fled to America.

[@m0nkm0de]

Allkem in Australia/South America/Canada is a fourth the price of LAC, and producing kilotons of material. If you wish to invest in lithium extraction, I would look there.

[@notarmchairhistorian7779]

Activists be like "NO you cant have fossil fuels, only electric cars!" But then *"NO YOU CANT MINE FOR THE BATTERIES FOR THOSE CARS!"* sad.

[@AllMustJump]

All environmental activists don’t actually support “only electric cars”. I never heard a environmentalist say that every one with a gas powered car to change to electric car.

[@notarmchairhistorian7779]

@@AllMustJump yeah. coz hey want people to go back medieval era where people had to go back to riding carriages instead

[@soyea4818]

Support bicycle 😂

[@AllMustJump]

@@notarmchairhistorian7779 Can you cite a environmentalist that supports “go[ing] back to riding carriages”?

[@Landwy1]

I'm all for Native American rights, but this project needs to be built. I noticed that the video showing the vegetation of the Thacker Pass site was displaying a vista of Cheat Grass (Downie Brome), which is the scourge of the West. Cheat Grasss is a CAM 4 plant, meaning that it requires more carbon to make its fiber than most plants. So if you add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere with burning of fossil fuel, it is that much easier for Cheat Grass to grow, impacting millions and millions of acres of land. So if you think big picture, the best thing to do is get to electrification of our energy production as soon as possible with Lithium ion technology. The blockade and protests of dirty tar sands from Canada and sending it thru a pipeline is completely different than the protests going on in California over Lithium. The most environmental thing we can do is ramp up Lithium based energy storage and have electric vehicles for transportation. Down the road, the worn out batteries can be recycled, and not as much virgin Lithium will be needed.

[@PYTHAMAXX]

EVs are more hype than saying environment. Hydrogen is the future of clean energy. Take heat of sun, run the turbine, use electricity to generate hydrogen. Simple, plenty and clean!

[@aycc-nbh7289]

Are you sure? Considering energy efficiency from production to use, hydrogen vehicles are only about half as efficient as BEV’s using the cleanest methods of hydrogen production.

[@scottjohnston2799]

hydrogen is a lot more expensive

[@PYTHAMAXX]

@@scottjohnston2799 when you can make it in an easy, plentiful way, It will get cheaper over time, faster than even PV energy.

[@scottjohnston2799]

@@PYTHAMAXX yea as does anything gets cheaper when you make it in an easier more plentiful way. seems like solid state might be the next wave over hydrogen in my opinion

[@BHPGH]

Agree. Keep spreading the word on green hydrogen!!! When I add up all factors I am aware of, most notably the collateral damage to convert all passenger vehicles to BEVs versus going with the 50% less efficient HYDROGEN fuel cell vehicles, I could see healthy future with 80km range BEVs basically for daily commuting and Battery/Fuel-cell hybrids for vehicles that need to go farther. Lots of predictions on the feasibility of green hydrogen achieving costs comparable or lower than gasoline. Here is a start. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGTOn3SQrb2AsNE

[@whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Lithium is common, but it is not common for it to be concentrated into economically recoverable forms. Most lithium minerals are highly soluble in water, meaning that the vast majority of the planet's lithium is diluted within salt water within the ocean and underground. Conservative estimates for simply lifting the water to produce a kg of lithium from sea water is about $6,000 in electricity, which means a current Tesla battery would cost six figures in raw material.

[@kiefershanks4172]

I think our main problem is trying to maintain the automobile as our primary form of transportation instead of investing in better, more efficient uses of resources like rail and public transit. It is clear that EVs will cause environmental devastation similar to that of oil and gas. We can debate the degree of devastation but it is devastation nonetheless. I think we need to wake up to the reality that car dependency is what the real issue is. This is coming from someone who loves cars and driving. Too many cars on our roads create huge problems for society that is hard to grasp. It is hard to image a world with fewer cars but we really ought to start imagining it if we want to make effective changes. Otherwise I feel we are doomed to fail.

[@Doyaman]

We are a group of lithium ore producer and supplier based in Tanzania. We are mostly delivering the lithium ore to our clients in Asia. We are looking for more new markets especially the USA to deliver our high quality ( lepidolite & sprodumene grades) lithium ore.

[@zone4garlicfarm]

The world's largest known deposit of lithium was recently discovered in Newry, Maine. It was discovered by amateur rockhounds who were working a 1 acre quarry looking for gem stones. The deposit has an estimated value of $1.5 billion but it might never be extracted because of Maine's strict mining laws

[@bjornmarley5670]

Ukraine has 18 billion....

[@notyourmama4166]

and because Maine doesn't want to be turned into a desert

[@desserteyes6978]

Wrong it’s Mexico now they want invade with the excuse of drugs😂

[@faa9261]

Wrong, it’s Zimbabwe that has the largest untapped reserves

[@zone4garlicfarm]

@@faa9261 I'm talking about how much is in a single quarry. You are talking about many mines spread out over an entire country.

[@accessiblenow]

Good review

[@bostonbikebits6539]

you have to love the greens - been demanding we all go ev for years then kick off when companies start mining the resources to make ev's a possibility.

[@notyourmama4166]

because they realized lithium mining isnt good for the environment in any stretch of the imagination

[@nonyabiz6036]

7:46 land price for around 5,000 pretty neat I wonder if it's per acre or some other measurement bought my land in Montana for about $80,000 (6 acres)

[@victorhopper6774]

why so much

[@nonyabiz6036]

@@victorhopper6774 which one is so much the one in the video or my land

[@victorhopper6774]

@@nonyabiz6036 sounds expensive for 6 acres in montana

[@nonyabiz6036]

@@victorhopper6774 got it in 2013 most of the prices were picking back up from 2008

[@MK-hy3ko]

Thacker pass is a dry arid zone and it requires plenty of continuous water to mine the lithium. Lithium always exists with other impurities such as “Arsene” which has been classified by EPA as toxic. Everything comes with a risk and damage to natural environment is irreversible

[@T4KKFI]

I get sick of all the naive opportunists in America stating we're going to be the leading industry when right now statistically we got to either play catch up or if we take our time, we're going to be like those football fans saying " oh but yeah no doubt we're going to make noise next year" while the other countries looking at us like "are you dumb". Can't we give other countries recognition for the thrive their steadily achieving.

[@Hession0Drasha]

China keeps buying out all the latin american lithium production

[@ensteffo]

+Haebris Latin American producers want to sell their lithium and China want to buy. No one forced the US to not put up high enough bids.

[@Hession0Drasha]

@@ensteffo the chinese don't buy the lithium. They buy the mining companies.

[@tedchandran]

Jai Hinduja. Yeah buying instead of continuous Color revolutions to bring Common Poverty to the Shitholes in Latin America.

[@BlondieSuperdog]

a ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons to process. The current 100,000 tons of production annual productin utilzes enough water to fill 1/3rd of Lake Erie. The southwest USA does not have sufficient water to spare. Chile and Maine have banned Lithium mining and processing mostly because of the water needed to be diverged for this use.

[@dudleyp8173]

American Battery Technology -ABML- has a close loop technology to Extract and Recycle Battery grade material in a revolutionary Green Technology. This is an USA company!!!

[@atenas80525]

100% electrification is impossible - we can't mine enough metals - beyond Li - we can't even come close

[@profounddamas]

I agree 100% on that. Check the video "The price of green energy | DW Documentary"

[@dontedimora5942]

There’s no water in Nevada to mine lithium. Hopefully we can switch to solid state batteries ASAP.

[@wimprezax]

Tesla has patented a way to mine lithium from the Nevada clay without using the usual crazy amount of water.

[@michalfaraday8135]

Solid state batteries use lithium. Unless you mean some future sodium ion tech.

[@TheBooban]

Always amazes why piping water seems impossible but we have oil and gas pipes all over the place.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@TheBooban Nevada is in an extremely arid water shed, unless you want to tunnel through to the other side of the rocky mountains to take some water from California or go through the effort of pumping thousands of gallons up hill from somewhere even farther away there really isn't much water to pipe in.

[@JJ-si4qh]

@@TheBooban I guess the water in your home magically appeared there and things like The Los Angeles Aqueduct doesn't exist.

[@evannolan3304]

if youre going to open pit mine, a desert in nevada with nobody around for miles is probably the best place to do it

[@Firestorm637]

USA has history of mines which after a good production run, company walks away without reclamation. Many countries must set aside money upfront so when the mine closes that area can be reclaimed back to former glory. Colorado so many mines abandoned and now toxic chemicals in lakes and groundwater. That must stop. USA must become a creditor nation again vs DEBTOR NATION. More production in USA will increase are GDP and control inflation. We can not be dependent on a communist country for all our manufacturing. South Korea and Taiwan are too close to China if something bad happens. USA needs more self sufficiency to continue a secure country

[@zjc8043]

1. fed has been covertly boosting inflation for debt dilution. 2. Tbh the capability of manufacturing was lost and cannot be restored in the foreseeable future. Any bills acts or laws regarding bringing production back are simply political corruptions.

[@OddWoz]

Save our mountains and sacred land!

[@nunyabidness3075]

Seems like the NIMBY problem is easily solvable, but the government permitting is likely terminal. It’s gotten to the point that we have more trouble getting through red tape than solving “impossible” science and engineering problems. I wouldn’t invest in any project in California unless I had two armies - one each of lawyers and soldiers.

[@BHPGH]

Californians definitely as hypocritical on this issue as anyone, just like their relationship to affordable housing.

[@atenas80525]

GREAT VIDEO - very thought provoking - please do more similar ones. Thanks!

[@axeblue]

Like Avatar, it seems like every rock and tree turned over is some kind of holy spiritual site.

[@hsvr]

True

[@JJ-si4qh]

Even as an environmentalist and decently compassionate person, I'm starting to get sick of the "ancestral lands" argument

[@stapleman007]

Everyone wants to go green. Just don't mind, windmill, and solar panel where they work, live, or vacation. IE no where.

[@marcussos3287]

Check out LKE and CXO stock, both listed on the ASX. Going to be printing money in the next 2-10 years.

[@Kangaroos_News]

ORE.AX for lithium and ARL.AX for nickel and cobalt exposure :D

[@ishandagar1]

Who is here after the Wendover Productions video?

[@tonii5690]

That video was more emotional than factual.

[@juanpabloabondanosantos5473]

WE CAN REVERSE MOTHER NATURE ? THAT SOUNDS INSANE !

[@Boxagami]

They can't even reverse covid. lol

[@RM-rh3mz]

Mentions licycle/redwood and lilac solutions, but no mention of American Battery technology company ($ABML) who’s is doing both. Green eco friendly recycling as well as developing their process for a much more eco friendly direct mining with the DOE and DuPont as well as working with GM, Ford and Stelantis . How did you guys miss them?

[@vinceszigetvari6137]

Recycling is great, but first new batteries needs to be produced to have something to recycle in the first place. Once all the old cars are electric too, recycling the old ones to build new ones is great. But first, we need to get there.

[@victorhopper6774]

this video is a penny stock ad

[@ameraljabr405]

Time to spread some democracy and freedom

[@treyod4158]

Australia looking so good with the mining we have here. AVZ have the single largest hard deposit of Lithium.

[@profounddamas]

Except clean/green energy and transportation is a pure fairy tale. Check the video "The price of green energy | DW Documentary"

[@treyod4158]

@@profounddamas I know it's a way off. But what, let's keep using a limited resource for our energy? We need that transition to happen.

[@mickking5913]

Who is AVZ?Never heard of them but I know that the largest deposit of high grade lithium in the world is in a hardrock mine at Greenbushes in the s.w of Western Australia which also has another 4 or more huge hardrock lithium mines and finding more all the time.

[@atenas80525]

What ever happened to conservation? You know just reducing our energy demands

[@profounddamas]

That's one thing I've been thinking on several years. You are the first person besides me that thought of that to my knowledge. I've never heard anyone talking about that.

[@justinhan286]

Interesting to say "China is not always our friend" @4:54, this reminded me when Trump started the trade war 😂😂

[@hotchi1566]

@E. W. What's wrong with your brain?

[@devon9075]

Thacker pass recieved the permit from the Nevada Bureau of Mining and Regulation and Reclamation (BMRR) today (Feb 25, 2022 - 1.5 months after this video was made) giving them the green light to move ahead in 2022.

[@ricnyc2759]

Yeah, people in China sat down and snapped their fingers and voila: they had all the processing of lithium ready. BTW China is one step ahead again: developing sodium batteries. Sodium is in the family of lithium. Sodium is everywhere (mines, oceans and lakes). And it's cheaper. More research needed to make it more energy dense.

[@ObsoleteTutorials]

You forgot to mention table salt.

[@alohastateofmind3565]

Bot

[@ricnyc2759]

@@alohastateofmind3565 Ain't no bot here.

[@alohastateofmind3565]

@@ricnyc2759 You literally plagerized someone elses comment so whats one to think?

[@visualonestudio]

We need lithium. It's extraction and refinement is far less destructive that oil. We can't be beholden to foreign entities for our lithium, and its imperative that we have our own home grown operations. I kinda like mines, they look cool and are a great reminder of mother nature provides so much to our species. We just need to do is safely and sustainably, which is possible. In this, everyone wins.

[@georgemiller151]

Environmentalists who assume too extreme and rigid a position hurt their cause. Lithium is necessary for establishing an economy that doesn’t destabilize the planet’s equilibrium. I hope a few indigenous activists are swept aside.

[@arnowisp6244]

No they are not. All this talk about destroying a few local environments now for mining in the "hope" of a cleaner future is pure madness. We are destroying wildlife and environments now for a "promise" of a better future.

[@vinceszigetvari6137]

@@arnowisp6244 An agreement with the locals should be made. In the other hand, whatever we do, local environment is destroyed. We can only choose. Do we continue burning fossil fuels, and make many damage, or we start using greener technologies, and make less damage. The idea of we stop making any damage to the environment is simply dream, lacking any reality.

[@integralexpo]

destroy a shrubby desert with low biodiversity? I mean cmon we can't live like plebs forever!

[@arnowisp6244]

You'll be surprised on how biodiverse deserts are. Just like anywhere else.