Why the USSR's Light Division is Unknown (1987)

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@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
**Correction:** 2:24 - This graphic is slightly wrong because although most Army Corps were made of divisions, the type that had a separate air assault regiment attached to it were actually made of brigades. The two Army Corps in question were specialized formations that worked for the front (army group) to exploit breakthroughs along the main offensive axis. They consisted of 2 tank and 2 mechanized brigades, plus supporting units. **Caveat:** 8:26 to caveat this point, the Soviets did have one mountain infantry brigade before the collapse, the 68th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade (Mountain). However, it was a very small part of the force structure and even that unit was half mechanized. It also had a different rationale from the Light Motor Rifle Division. Its legacy is continued in the Kyrgyz Army, which it transferred to post-collapse.
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 Жыл бұрын
Wow 😲
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 Жыл бұрын
RAD
@glubokayaoperatsiya
@glubokayaoperatsiya Жыл бұрын
hey @BattleOrder i think you didnt make the second video for soviet artillery in ww2, the video that was supposed to compare soviet doctrine + employment with that of the german and US ones
@viktorwulf2557
@viktorwulf2557 Жыл бұрын
68 МСБр стояла в Оше. 66 и 70 МСБр воевали в Афганистане.
@Отакої-ю8б
@Отакої-ю8б 10 ай бұрын
Airborne It is "light" division
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Жыл бұрын
I've always thought the rockets that fire right before those Soviet vehicles reach the ground were pretty awesome.
@oskar6661
@oskar6661 Жыл бұрын
Yep, that technology is absolutely crazy. Some good videos of it not working are online as well. It's basically a rod that dangles below the vehicle. When the rod impacts the ground (around 5-6' I believe) it fires all the rockets to basically stop the momentum of the dropping vehicle and let it "land" easier. It's pretty wild to imagine how much material went into outfitting a unit for a full drop like that.
@NGCAnderopolis
@NGCAnderopolis Жыл бұрын
Retrothrusters, they use them for Soyuz landings aswell
@MajorBookworm100
@MajorBookworm100 Жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni Orbital Drop Soviet Troopers
@Notsurewhattoputlol
@Notsurewhattoputlol Жыл бұрын
PRSM-915 rocket parachute
@westphalianstallion4293
@westphalianstallion4293 Жыл бұрын
I really apreciate that you pointed out the strategical/political focus of the VDV. The visualisation of the amount of sorties needed to deploy even this "light" formation, shows the near impossibility of modern air mobile, air assault , airborne operations. Even if you have enough cargo planes to land your troops, and air superioty to do so, you only have a delaying force with maybe air drop logistics or a guerillia force that lives of the land. Being able to operationaly deploy by road is pretty good though. This is kind of the cheap light infantry force most countries have for their defense,. If the terrain allows it, it works pretty efficient.
@impguardwarhamer
@impguardwarhamer Жыл бұрын
I mean tbh I think Hostomel Airport proves that air assault can work in the same niche roles as it always has, the failure there was on the relief forces not the VDV themselves
@westphalianstallion4293
@westphalianstallion4293 Жыл бұрын
@@impguardwarhamer Under the premise, that Ukr is a revolting province with a local defense deforce to counter, maybe. The Problem starts if you have to engange Artillery, Aircraft and Armor. Because everything that is worth to be taken by airborn operations, is worth to be blown up by your own artillery to deny access to the enemy. 230 sorties to a singular location in a contestant airspace is doable, but redicolous costly. I mean the US has round about 250 each of C130 and C 5´s. So it would take half of the US airlift capablitie to deploy this light infantry division.
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 Жыл бұрын
@@impguardwarhamer It's true that the VDV managed to capture the airport, but I don't see what the Russians gained from capturing it and doing it with an air assault. My understanding of the timeline is: VDV captures the airport manned by NGU conscripts and clerks, Ukrainian mechanised assault retakes the airport, Russian mechanised assault recaptures the airport but Ukrainian artillery destroys the runway and the Russians eventually retreats after some months when the whole Kyiv axis became unsustainable. As far as I'm aware, they didn't get to fly in any fixed wing aircrafts with heavy equipment, and they could've formed a helicopter bridgehead anywhere. And if the VDV needed armoured support to hold off the Ukrainians, why not just send tanks to take it in the first place? And if Ukrainian artillery could destroy the runways relatively easily, why even bother capturing the airport? To me it seems like airmobile operations are most useful to rapidly project power in COIN and possibly to deploy harassing troops behind enemy lines. But with all the vehicles and logistics the VDV needs, it seems like their focus is to capture some desolate airfield and form an airbridge to move in their vehicles, and then roam around the rear as light mechanised infantry. What did the VDV expect would happen after Hostomel was captured? Did they not think the Ukrainians would counterattack with their heavy units when Russian soldiers landed 10 km outside of Kyiv? I don't think it makes sense unless they thought the Ukrainians would fold after their show of force like in a COIN operation.
@brokenpotato438
@brokenpotato438 Жыл бұрын
" I don't think it makes sense unless they thought the Ukrainians would fold after their show of force like in a COIN operation." Thats exactly what they planned for.
@gleitsonSalles
@gleitsonSalles Жыл бұрын
​@@DIREWOLFx75one ruble deposited in your account
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt Жыл бұрын
Battle Order uploading on Friday is a great way to start the weekend!
@Khanclansith
@Khanclansith Жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder if thr final report was written before the exercise, and they just ran the exercise as a formality to shut up some high ranking party members asking questions
@Евгений-ч1т4н
@Евгений-ч1т4н Жыл бұрын
Супер! А я и не знал что в Союзе были "легкие мотострелковые " дивизии. 🙂👍
@AVPozdeev
@AVPozdeev Жыл бұрын
Считайте, что не было. Одна экспериментальная, и всё. Увы-увы.
@Евгений-ч1т4н
@Евгений-ч1т4н Жыл бұрын
@@AVPozdeev Жаль, что тема умерла..🤷‍♂
@AVPozdeev
@AVPozdeev Жыл бұрын
@@Евгений-ч1т4н Это было неизбежно, в связи с неприкасаемым статусом ВДВ. А такие инициативы рождались в СВ.
@Евгений-ч1т4н
@Евгений-ч1т4н Жыл бұрын
@@AVPozdeev А эти дивизии хотели на базе ВДВ формировать, как я понимаю? Но Десант не проникся идеей, они хотели всё сохранить как есть?
@AVPozdeev
@AVPozdeev Жыл бұрын
@@Евгений-ч1т4н нет, это проект сугубо СВ, как и десантно-штурмовые части. ВДВ не позволили бы себя реформировать.
@almasbaibolov1446
@almasbaibolov1446 Жыл бұрын
As far as I see, that could have been quite capable light mechanised/territorial defence division, designed solo to defend Soviet territory. At least in theory. However, since we are talking about Soviet/Russian military, of course they aimed for armoured offensive capability as priority.
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev Жыл бұрын
To be fair though, in Soviet doctrine, if they ever had to fight a defensive war on Soviet soil, it would be fought with nuclear weapons (against NATO cities), not with an actual defensive force. To such as extent, it does make sense why a territorial defense division was not pursued - by the time it was needed, nukes would already be flying.
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev
@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev Жыл бұрын
@@DIREWOLFx75 "Hardly! USSR was MUCH less easygoing about using nuclear weapons than the west was." The Soviet plan for WW3 was to literally glass West Germany with nuclear weapons and run over the remains, they certainly would've done the same if the USSR was invaded. "That would not happen until the existence of the nation was under threat. And an invasion by landforces alone does not such a threat make." The USSR, especially after the Great Patriotic War, saw an invasion of its soil as a threat to its national existence - certainly, the second NATO troops stepped foot on Soviet soil, the nuclear option would be used.
@yum9918
@yum9918 Жыл бұрын
@@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev That claim isn't backed by any actual soviet doctrine I've read, including western translations. To the contrary, the use of ANY NBC is put as contingent on the enemy using them first, not ever using them first, especially since they considered themselves having an advantage in conventional war.
@JohnCanty-k1l
@JohnCanty-k1l Жыл бұрын
Great Video Battle Order! I just have 2 questions: 1. If the Soviets had decided to keep developing this division concept, what may have the dvision evolved into looking like? 2. You mentioned that the division was well-suited to mountainous terrain like Afghanistan. Do you think that the Soviets' war in Afghanistan influenced the experimental division's design or development?
@smallcat848
@smallcat848 Жыл бұрын
Seeing a force without much of a thing for generic light force's go at a light force is interesting. I wonder what it could have become like if it kept being developed under the USSR or if the Russians kept it around.
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 Жыл бұрын
I can't help but think that unarmoured trucks would get absolutely slaughtered on the modern (or late Cold War) battlefield. A vaguely similar Russian unit would be the current 30th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade that have some units mounted in UAZ Patriot pick up trucks, which I believe was formed in 2016 based on experience in Syria with technicals etc. That unit would also make for a very interesting video. I think some videos about that unit circulated on KZbin some years ago.
@aleksaradojicic8114
@aleksaradojicic8114 Жыл бұрын
It would not. Point of trucks is to transport infantry from point A to before point B, from where infantry fights on foot, like classic infantry.
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 Жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni That's a fair point. But what I've seen the Ukrainians do was sending one or a couple of trucks at opportune moments. Even armoured units have truck based logistics, so rotating units with trucks is different from mounting your combat troops in them. I would think a Cold War conflict between NATO and the Warsaw Pact would be higher intensity and involve a lot more air power, especially by NATO. Any massed units in softskinned vehicles, like a convoy moving to the front, would be a huge target for air, artillery, even just a machine gun ambush, and the trucks have to stick to roads so their movements are predictable. If this unit is truly meant for complex closed terrain, I don't understand why it includes all the tracked and wheeled armoured vehicles. To me this unit looks more like a budget and airliftable version of motor rifles instead of a purpose built light infantry unit for closed terrain. There's a reason why mechanised infantry has almost fully replaced motorised, even convoys are being uparmoured. The VDV would also sometimes swap out their BMDs for BMPs etc. in Afghanistan and Chechnya, which was largely urban and mountain fighting like this unit was supposedly built for.
@oohhboy-funhouse
@oohhboy-funhouse Жыл бұрын
@@TonyBustaroni It's more out of necessities. There isn't enough protected transport like M113 to go around, nor military trucks. Plus, it's perfectly fine to have a civilian car to commute from the rear to near front. The US army have an insane number of trucks and tankers to keep it fed. Russian units are actually under motorised, tying them down to railheads as we have seen, making it difficult to impossible to get to the last mile.
@0jrhindo-907
@0jrhindo-907 Жыл бұрын
Think of it more like US units driving in humvees and trucks in Irak. They didn't get more casualties than those in Bradley and when they got IEDed neither a truck nor Bradley would survive...
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 Жыл бұрын
@@0jrhindo-907 I don’t think you can compare the relative power between the coalition and Iraq to NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Not to mention that Iraqi air power was destroyed before the ground campaign, and that the Soviets would face NATO that overwhelmingly rely on air power. I’m also not sure how much artillery the coalition faced, but I don’t think it would be comparable to WW3.
@lukatomas9465
@lukatomas9465 Жыл бұрын
2:26 Should the air assault battalion and air assault regiment be switched, or did corps have larger air assault units under them than armies.
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
There were only a couple of separate air assault regiments (1318 ODShP and 1319 ODShP) attached to a specialized type of army corps, whereas there were a lot of separate air assault battalions. The graphic is actually slightly wrong because while most Army Corps were made of divisions, the type that had a separate air assault regiment were made of brigades But the two army corps in question (the 5th and 48th) were basically operational maneuver groups working for the front (army group) that would exploit breakthroughs in the enemy's depth, so it makes sense why they'd have slightly more air assault resources. A regiment had two maneuver battalions and fires batteries in support as opposed to battalions, so it was like sort of a mini-brigade. Although the two corps were disbanded in 1989
@nightdaychannel828
@nightdaychannel828 Жыл бұрын
Great video on such a particularity of the Light Division! Really enjoy your videos!
@johnbrown8570
@johnbrown8570 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a company organization for this with each squad member’s gear?
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
I do not have info that goes down to that low of a level
@johnbrown8570
@johnbrown8570 Жыл бұрын
@@BattleOrder dang. Oh well.
@GeorgRavioli
@GeorgRavioli Жыл бұрын
You can extrapolate that they would be equipped similarly, if not exactly the same, as a standard motor rifle company, gear wise. They're not deploying by parachute, so no need for special rifles (e.g. AKS-74), and the unit's lighter equipment doesn't seem drastic enough to call for specialized gear (backpacks, web gear, etc). Only thing in question is whether the lack of BTRs means there would be more MGs or grenadiers. I would think not, though If anything, the official organization would be the same, but weapons units would be more likely to get farmed out to rifle platoons to bolster their firepower.
@loganwolfram4216
@loganwolfram4216 Жыл бұрын
"the light motorization improved the light motor rifle's ability" well, it certainly sounds like it should
@kubajackiewicz2
@kubajackiewicz2 Жыл бұрын
Motor rifle activities
@iivin4233
@iivin4233 4 ай бұрын
Special motor rifle operations.
@BlindMonk93
@BlindMonk93 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, very much enjoyed!
@hwz1419
@hwz1419 Жыл бұрын
MSD first echelon had plus one independent Tank batalion with five companies with 10 tanks plus 1 batalion's command tank. Division had 40+40+40+95+51 tanks = 266 tanks
@lukejohnston4666
@lukejohnston4666 Жыл бұрын
Gornostrelki anyone?
@crni_bombarder8352
@crni_bombarder8352 Жыл бұрын
Gorbostrelki ‘90 gang
@Redshirt214
@Redshirt214 11 ай бұрын
It’s interesting to me that the Soviets very much came at this with the idea of “let’s take the existing VDV structure and modify it to fit” rather than going in a different direction of “let’s make a more road mobile unit”. Because the latter idea, as I see it, might have worked better. If you go back to the 1950s, when they’d just started adopting APCs that were still at platoon strength, you can see that they were still very similar to light infantry forces. A structure with more towed artillery, and the infantry carried in something like an Ural 375 would have been more capable of mounting a defense against a tank formation and might have even cost less too.
@m.b.9688
@m.b.9688 Жыл бұрын
Always nice to have some Coldwar here. About late west german Tank units next?
@sergeyboychuck8872
@sergeyboychuck8872 Жыл бұрын
correction: the bulk of Soviet aviation in 1987 was IL-76 Candid. the Stryker brigade is a weird adaptation/copy from soviet MRR on BTR. It weird mostly to political reasons, not military. (US "patriots" in their best; but some of their points still valid) the idea was realized by Russian Airborne Force in the beginning of 21 century - the so-called Air Assault Division (DShD - ru) had two regiment - one on BMD and one on GAZ-66 truck. Normal Airborne Division (VDD - ru) had 3 regiments on BMD. it will be good if you cover the New Army Corps (1987) structure from Soviet Army.😀
@oldnosey4961
@oldnosey4961 Жыл бұрын
love soviet military history, thanks!
@이하늘-c3g
@이하늘-c3g Жыл бұрын
I think in 1989 soviet army powerful than in 2022 modern Russian army.
@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe
@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe Жыл бұрын
They are using the exact same equipment. Or what's left of it.
@andrewwiggins9262
@andrewwiggins9262 Жыл бұрын
Wow is that your professional opinion?
@GeneraI_Motors
@GeneraI_Motors Жыл бұрын
I mean, yeah? 1989 saw so much more in terms of quantity of equipment and troops than the modern Russian army.
@rajashashankgutta4334
@rajashashankgutta4334 Жыл бұрын
​@@MardukTheSunGodInsideMethat equipment was good in 80's not now.
@sword_of_sanghelios
@sword_of_sanghelios Жыл бұрын
that why they should have started yugoslav war style confict and invaded ukraine the moment it declared independece they had nothing to lose anyways by doing that becouse life is hell anyways
@Bertintremors
@Bertintremors Жыл бұрын
Really seems like they were ahead of the time with this concept. Replace the outdated equipment with a few light arty pieces and drone units and you got a real scary fighting force. Shame it was probably Canned by higher ups with no experience
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame it was canned before the new soviet/Russian airborne support vehicle could be tested and inoperated. The 125mm and planned 152mm varients could have helped with the main identified defisionancies while still keeping it air deployable and lower logistical footprint.
@Setofan1
@Setofan1 Жыл бұрын
Good video as always. Could we have some detailed videos American artillery organization? Maybe some videos on Australia and their logistics structure? I also really liked your video on US fuel logistics and HIMARS.
@glubokayaoperatsiya
@glubokayaoperatsiya Жыл бұрын
hey @BattleOrder i think you didnt make the second video for soviet artillery in ww2, the video that was supposed to compare soviet doctrine + employment with that of the german and US ones
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder Жыл бұрын
I took it down years ago because the argument I made in it was flawed
@glubokayaoperatsiya
@glubokayaoperatsiya Жыл бұрын
also if the argument you made was that soviets ended up using more bodies than TNT to solve tactical problems (compared to germans and US), its not really incorrect. Using massed short sharp preparatory fires to make up for laggard sensor-shooter cycle was also not incorrect. wish i could watch it@@BattleOrder
@abdellahiehreimo3402
@abdellahiehreimo3402 Жыл бұрын
Yup the recognition of it all is that the difference between theory & action is just reality... But the only constant in reality is changing dynamics hence problematic changes & addressing those changes.. So is the military evolution..
@norwegianwiking
@norwegianwiking 5 ай бұрын
Any info on units like those of the Leningrad MD/6th CAA that used MT-LBs and other amphibious APCs instead of BTR or BMP?
@VonMed
@VonMed Жыл бұрын
Lovely! Some of this footage is also used in the soviet song, “don’t play the fool,America!”
@JcDent
@JcDent Жыл бұрын
Great, now do the experimental 90s division that WARNO based one of their new division on!
@adisura9904
@adisura9904 Жыл бұрын
The indian military is heavily based on british institutions and after 1960s india became more and more dependent in russians. It would be trally interesting to look how units (1) between 1947 to 1962-65 , (2) between post or around 1971- early 2000s and (3) laastly in 2020s is. Should provide an interesting look into what they kept from which side. Cheers another great video as always. From India
@АрокисНави
@АрокисНави Жыл бұрын
Что означает слово "coy" в предложении "Light Motor Rifle Coys"? А так интересно. Не все понимаю, ибо знаний языка не хватает. Жаль, не хватает наших блогеров, что рассказывали бы об организации армии и войск. Могу вспомнить только одного - дорогого товарища Ёрша.
@HanFeiZi92
@HanFeiZi92 Жыл бұрын
Это обычное сокращение слова Company - Coy, равно как Battalion - Bn или Brigade - Bde.
@20goodmen72
@20goodmen72 11 ай бұрын
Coy is short for company.
@AgencyIsland
@AgencyIsland 11 ай бұрын
Its like the 80s soviet equivalent to a QRF dedicated to traveling light and fast , without the logistic struggle of heavy tank battalions, or nearly as many airborne deployment (landing sorties), You can see the purpose it was supposed to serve.
@thefuturist1867
@thefuturist1867 Жыл бұрын
Hey could you do a video on Indian Army organization?
@hwz1419
@hwz1419 Жыл бұрын
3:50 Antitank battery have mark platoon!
@richardthomas598
@richardthomas598 Жыл бұрын
Well, making a final assessment on the lack of heavy firepower is turning the very point of the formation into a negative. It's not supposed to be able to slug it out mano-a-mano with an armored division. It's supposed to get there firstest with the mostest.
@turtlecheese8
@turtlecheese8 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Sure it’s “underpowered” but it also takes a lot less resources to fully deploy this entire unit. Compare that to a NATO division still getting its gear together or still trying to deploy and the Soviets have a good advantage on their side.
@DimBeam1
@DimBeam1 Жыл бұрын
@@turtlecheese8 Ukraine are spanking VDV troops everyday. I dont think any RUS troops would bother NATO.
@generaltom6850
@generaltom6850 Ай бұрын
⁠@@DimBeam1 Due to Organisational, Logistical and Operational difficulties. Ukraine also keeps alot of it’s Soviet Military doctrine.
@DimBeam1
@DimBeam1 Ай бұрын
@@generaltom6850 Yes as back up. Bradleys are tearing the soviet junk the Orcs keep churning out. Oh and golf carts?!!?
@BillyBOB-sm3rl
@BillyBOB-sm3rl Жыл бұрын
They didn't place a of trust or priority on signal units or MI. Was intelligence gathering above Corp or army group. It was the GIU or KGB's responsibility?
@Reddsoldier
@Reddsoldier Жыл бұрын
This would be a fun division in WARNO.
@dawidlijewski5105
@dawidlijewski5105 Жыл бұрын
So basically, a meat shield. Buying time with blood for arrival of serious force.
@robertalaverdov8147
@robertalaverdov8147 Жыл бұрын
One of the first units to arrive in Saudi Arabia during the invasion of Kuwait were the 101st and 82nd airborne divisions. They were expected to hold off the Iraqi's just long enough until the armored and mechanized divisions arrived. So yes, a very rabidly deployed meat shield.
@kylezdancewicz7346
@kylezdancewicz7346 Жыл бұрын
@@robertalaverdov8147I thought the 101st were deployed to blockade a main supply road, if I recall, not deployed to buy time against an Iraqi force.
@kylezdancewicz7346
@kylezdancewicz7346 Жыл бұрын
@@robertalaverdov8147And Iraq, due to the immense pressure of the coalitions combines arms was only able to mount a few counters attacks, and most of these went straight into armored forces, again if I recall, only one during the first few days against a command outpost was able to almost capture it, but was driven back. So I want to know what are you talking about.
@robertalaverdov8147
@robertalaverdov8147 Жыл бұрын
@@kylezdancewicz7346 This was during the first few weeks or so in August 1990. You may have forgotten but the buildup lasted for 6 months before the air campaign. Then another month before the ground invasion. Prior to that there were attempts to get Iraq to leave Kuwait diplomatically. But even before then there were fears of an Iraqi invasion into Saudi Arabia, the northern Saudi oil fields were a stones throw away. Perhaps the Iraqi army was overestimated in its abilities, but there was a real fear that the Saudi army wouldn't put up much of a fight before the bulk of us forces arrived. Thus the 101st and 82nd were sent, to state that the US was serious, to reassure the Saudi's that they had their back. And if push comes to shove, to be a meat barrier.
@kylezdancewicz7346
@kylezdancewicz7346 Жыл бұрын
@@robertalaverdov8147 Ok, your wording made is seem like they were deployed against an actual Iraqi attack and not a potential one. And from the 101st track record, they probably would have done there jobs, hold out.
@harry9392
@harry9392 2 ай бұрын
The British Army have had mechanised light infantry. For years they used the old 432, then Warrior , boxer, and Ajax soon
@sohrabroozbahani4700
@sohrabroozbahani4700 Жыл бұрын
I guess soviets knew their lighter force arrangements would have won the battle at harder terrain, they just wanted to see its weak points in force on force play in the least accommodating environment which happened to b3 the highest priority for operational capability and with in the shallow pocket they actually had during the 80s.
@nicho9067
@nicho9067 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a US 101st Airborne Division WW2 structure?
@Tjecktjeck
@Tjecktjeck Жыл бұрын
As the recent conflict showed those light div's are only good for chasing down armed peasants. In a more intense warfare they get decimated by arty, granade launchers, mortals and now drones to.
@martinsmith9054
@martinsmith9054 Жыл бұрын
I've often thought the Russians need exactly this type of light infantry to harry the entire north border of Ukraine from the Dniepr to Kharkov. They could also be used to cover flanks and rear area security for conventional forces
@vytautas950
@vytautas950 Жыл бұрын
You are a fool. First of all, they need a government that will replace them, then there will be no need to realize geopolitical ideologies by sacrificing the lives of stupid people.
@fridrekr7510
@fridrekr7510 Жыл бұрын
I think the closest thing is their militia and conscript units they use to man the trenches. The Russian/Soviet use of conscripts is to put them in the front to man a wide front, and then send in their experienced troops to counterattack, rather than to use conscripts for rear security which I think is done more often by their National Guard etc. Otherwise the closest the Russians have to light infantry is probably their fairly large GRU special purpose units (they have 8 Special Purpose Brigades) but it seems that they are mostly used to support and strengthen their regular forces instead of being used separately to penetrate into the enemy's rear like doctrinally intended.
@martinsmith9054
@martinsmith9054 Жыл бұрын
@@fridrekr7510 Well they should get their shit together and work it out. It's not rocket science the 18th century Germans worked it out with Auftragstaktik. Let the officer on the spot make the decision. Otherwise it's a disaster like Ugledar and now Avdeevka.
@Donetsk.
@Donetsk. 11 ай бұрын
​@@fridrekr7510под лёгкую пехоту лучше всего подходят Внутренние войска, но у них задачи другие. ГРУ изначально предполагалось использовать, в случае начала войны с НАТО, как диверсантов которые будут формировать лояльные ячейки сопротивление из местного населения для подрыва линий снабжений и диверсий на военных заводах. В Афганистане ГРУ вело контрпартизанскую войну, а реализовать свою концепцию им удалось только вовремя войны в Таджикистане.
@goforbroke4428
@goforbroke4428 Жыл бұрын
Lol, a standard motor rifle regiment in BTRs was more transportable than a modern stryker battalion
@Klovaneer
@Klovaneer Жыл бұрын
pentagon looked at the pristina march and wanted that capability but GDLS had another idea and made an overweight LAV that couldn't drive out of a ditch
@alandesouzacruz5124
@alandesouzacruz5124 Жыл бұрын
Make a vídeo about gafe mexican special forces
@roadhouse6999
@roadhouse6999 Жыл бұрын
"Form dedicate light units or draw 25" The USSR/Russian Federation:
@IoachimSavianPopovici
@IoachimSavianPopovici Жыл бұрын
I devour every video as soon as I find it
@Seth9809
@Seth9809 11 ай бұрын
2:20
@Thaliathegodslayer
@Thaliathegodslayer Жыл бұрын
With the Sprut(I think the name) With the 122 on a BMD body, New Light machine guns, New Anti tank Rockets, Terminator BMP(that double 23m with At is deadly combo) and other systems I can see this today. The Technology just wasn’t as developed back then, against other Armor/Mech could be trouble but in the defence with irregular warfare and Anti tank weapons it would excel. That’s assuming if Air is dominated though.
@thomas_jay
@thomas_jay Жыл бұрын
Didn't the Russians just equip their light infantry with some kind of technical?
@American-BadAss732
@American-BadAss732 Жыл бұрын
We need to start seeing single manned tanks and single manned helicopters...thats when shits gunna get sick.. mechanized scouts
@vincentas1
@vincentas1 10 ай бұрын
0:40 yeah sure soviets called it that
@iivin4233
@iivin4233 4 ай бұрын
It seems like Soviet formations, even the light ones, have so much "stuff" in them. No wonder NATO was paranoid and insisted on developing technology to go up, over and around Soviet fronts whenever possible.
@tonyolson9595
@tonyolson9595 11 ай бұрын
On paper armored units beat everything in reality 1 man with an anti tank weapon can crawl around any terrain and wipeout as much armor as he has ammo
@BattleOrder
@BattleOrder 11 ай бұрын
Until the moment he is suppressed
@michaelwest4325
@michaelwest4325 Жыл бұрын
Soviet myopia was tank centric and offensive driven, a formation suited to defense or use outside of invading the rest of Europe was doomed to fail in the mind of army leadership. Too bad too, looks like a useful formation for many missions and a way to leverage the heavy forces.
@poil8351
@poil8351 Жыл бұрын
irony is now everybody is rapidly movimg away from brigade sized formations ti bigger formations. the ukraine was has shown the problem with brigades vs divisions
@totoianugheorghelucian488
@totoianugheorghelucian488 Жыл бұрын
By the way they're losing equipment, the russians may need to dust off these plans
@Aron-79
@Aron-79 10 ай бұрын
🇷🇺🫡🪖⚓️
@EzraelVio
@EzraelVio 11 ай бұрын
The Soviets still amaze me even to this day. They were actually got so good at war since WW2 that they can simply say "Yeah, this shit ain't going to work in a REAL WAR", and it turns out to be true multiple times in the last 2 years. Even tho drones and new tech bring new complications to modern conflicts, many of soviet core war doctrine still proves to be correct in many situation, and striving from these core doctrine would only bring disasters in a real war. It makes you wonder how would armies that mock Soviet doctrine would even fare when faced with a real war. Sure they'll cope and reorganize after a while, but at what cost?
@maksimfedoryak
@maksimfedoryak 10 ай бұрын
Nice doctrine, but how to use it in non totalitarian states?
@Klovaneer
@Klovaneer 10 ай бұрын
@@maksimfedoryak what He is obviously talking about the Order of Battle of Soviet Ground Forces, has _absolutely_ nothing to do with politics. irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf
@MPKb19
@MPKb19 Жыл бұрын
Comment for statistics
@DimBeam1
@DimBeam1 Жыл бұрын
Big difference between competency on paper and in the field.
@alexandraflynn9562
@alexandraflynn9562 Жыл бұрын
Eugen pls!!!!!!!
@AncientRylanor69
@AncientRylanor69 Жыл бұрын
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@KOTGDI
@KOTGDI Жыл бұрын
Brocken brain? Сломайте мозг называется.
@yuval5628
@yuval5628 Жыл бұрын
KEEV lmfao
@AVPozdeev
@AVPozdeev Жыл бұрын
It's funny, but a few days ago, I was discussing that the Soviet and Russian airborne forces suck. And we need to divide them into full-fledged assault units, with the structure of motorized infantry, and light infantry.
@hellofriends9826
@hellofriends9826 10 ай бұрын
Please don't repeat the mistakes of World War 3 history
@РикСанчес-я6з
@РикСанчес-я6з Жыл бұрын
>why soviet *very advanced military equipment/strategy* is unknown? >1987 Self-explanatory really. And it's sad.
@АВК-п5ы
@АВК-п5ы Жыл бұрын
Почитал поментарии, много интересного узнал. Я конечно догадывался , что люди на западе имеют не очень высокие знания, но не думал, что насколько. Учите историю не по випипедии и школьной пргорамме или тупым фильмам.
@theromanorder
@theromanorder Жыл бұрын
please do a video on these (this is a copy and paste list for a few channels) units and tactics/evaluation of loadouts of troops (from different jobs (and other branches) the tank doctrine of countries evaluation of tank veiw ports evaluation of tanks/armored vehicles of different countries navil ship cross sections (all the rooms and how it all works) evaluation of types of ships or evaluation of navil warfare flag ship vs capital ship, battleship vs dreadnought air craft carrier strike group formations exsamples, ancient persan ships, ancient veneti ships (gauls that fought ceaser) better for squads to be 2 teams of 5 or 3 teams of 3, and probably the esayest, better to keep troops well feed or starved like an animal how dose age effect comsnders eg napoleon got older so took less risks, ancient urban warfare ww2 tactics in Asia, tactics in the Chinese age of warlords, tactics in the ruso jap war cold war navil tactics, Korean war tactics, strange tactics or unque battles from the American war of independence and America civil war why did the nazis never return (or a video on best occupations) why did the Japanese empire fall, dont just say "America" like things like how there army and navy argued alot
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