Why The X-Men Franchise Failed

[@ToddTheTolerable]

They just wouldn't let it end. Both Days of Future Past and Logan had perfect ending points for the franchise.

[@serenityfirefly-1873]

Days of Future Past would have been an amazing finale for the team up movies if they'd had (a slightly better) Apocalypse BEFORE it. They rushed into it after only one movie of the younger cast. So it should have gone: X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, Origins, First Class, Apocalypse, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Logan.

[@robert48044]

in Logan did they show the Hulk's and his family being Mobsters? I didnt see it but Ive been wondering about that. Like it would conflict with the Avengers version of Hulk.

[@robert48044]

@Malo Tha Prophet I wonder if that was a mistake

[@yourenotthatguypal3483]

@@robert48044 Fox didn't own the rights to Hulk I'm pretty sure, plus I don't think it would've fit too well in Logan seeing at how realistic it was besides the Mutants. For Fox, the landowners of the Black family that kept on bullying them I guess were similar to the Hulk Family from the comics.

[@robert48044]

@@yourenotthatguypal3483 i cant help but feel the way the charecters were sold has hurt the movie side of the comic books.

[@readwrecks]

Another problem with the franchise was putting all of their eggs in the Wolverine basket. They never wanted to take the time to fully develop other characters.

[@brandonp.6051]

That was the most frustrating thing for me. Bryan Singer wouldn't stop blowing Wolverine at the expense of nearly everyone else, and most of the other filmmakers after him followed his lead.

[@pittland44]

To put it bluntly, they over relied on a lot of things. Brian Singer, Wolverine, the Xavier/Magneto relationship, bad adaptations, the actors rather than the characters (which was the problem with Cyclops is they kept casting him with dud actors, same with Angel, Banshee and a lot of the others). You have all this crazy shit in the X-Men's corner of the Marvel universe, and we never got to see any of it. How about the Brood? What About Genosha? Can we really see the Morlocks? A true Age of Apocalypse scenario? What if we were to go the Savage Land? And the one that really pisses me off because they teased at it but never delivered: Mr. Sinister and his obsession with Scott Summers and Jean Gray. If you want to do a more contained Scott and Jean story, do Sinister. Hell they did that on the fucking cartoon, and it worked like a charm.

[@narenbaradwaj5058]

@@pittland44 we also never got the starjammers, the shiaar empire,skrull space, proper version of genosha, madripoor, they completely ignored bishop, Cyclops,storm, rogue, angel and all those colorful iconic costumes and actual origins for mutants

[@pittland44]

@@narenbaradwaj5058 Damn Straight!

[@SacredDaturaa]

Agreed. I think Hugh Jackman being so fuckin great as Wolverine actually derailed the franchise a bit.

[@jasonschmucker]

Days of Future Past was a perfect climax and Logan was a perfect epilogue. I choose to ignore everything that came after.

[@JeffreyJFerguson]

This is the correct take.

[@dreamwarrior1276]

Exactly.

[@xweedduckx6885]

@@deadschooled that's your opinion dickhead

[@plasmasnake4774]

Jason-Matthew Schmucker but what about Deadpool 2?

[@BooksfromaBiGuy]

Deadpool lives in his own space!!!

[@MeganSin]

If I were to adapt X-men, I wouldn’t have it be a movie. I think it needs to be a tv series. There are so many stories and characters in the X-men (the X-men are the wu tang clan of the comic book world) so give it an 8-10 episode run on a streaming service, 1 hr an episode for maybe 5-6 seasons/series I think you could do it justice

[@MeganSin]

ChandSlam that’s kinda what I was thinking. X-men is probably the only comic book that would benefit more from a tv show format than movies. That’s kinda why the animated show was so great. Or they do what they did with Spider-Man and not really do n origin movie because we know his origins story. Except they need more justice for the origin story

[@camm8642]

I kind of agree even though I think you can do movies to get the most out of something like xmen a long serial type of series or format I think is best there are just so many characters heroes,supporting characters,villians its like its own mini universe in scope and its very heavy on character development and relationships and obviously the social commentary its different from the avengers and should be treated as such.

[@PennyAfNorberg]

The gifted?

[@famousbowl9926]

Yaaa... No.

[@piyushnagawat24]

Then starting standalone series of popular characters form original xmen tv series... Like they did with the CW shows of DC(flash, arrow, supergirl) or like defenders like individual then a series binding thrn together....

[@romcarlos13]

Days of Future Past would have been an amazing send-off.

[@dankerbell]

*Logan would like to know your location*

[@grobanworldnews4216]

I agree. DOFP was a perfect send off for both casts. Logan is a terrible send off because it dooms all the X Men and leaves us with a bunch of mutants kids we barely know.

[@jph4889]

Just imagine. They COULD"VE made Apocalypse FIRST, lost to the big purple guy, and then done Days of the Future Past, where they go back in time to....stop him...wait, why does that sound familiar?

[@miloa.2684]

@@jph4889 they did plan that at first but the studio did not want that

[@Furkward]

@@jph4889 He wasn't purple lmao

[@achimsinn7782]

I really like Wolverine, but if I would start fresh I would make sure that other characters like Cyclops, Storm, Nightcrawler or Gambit would get their fair amount of screentime instead of focusing most of the movies on Wolverine. Especially as Hugh Jackman isn't available for the role anymore. Also, I know you said don'T put it in the MCU, but doing a Phoenix Saga movie that actually happens in Space would be a great crossover with the guardians of the galaxy.

[@markchapman6800]

Yes! The X-Men are a team, but that aspect has never worked in the movies. The story focuses on one or two characters, and the rest become warm scenery.

[@pittland44]

I would love to see a Disney Plus series that did a first class story that actually involves the original five X-Men (Cyclops, Beast, Jean Grey, Angel and Iceman) and then add X-Men in the order in which they joined in the comics (Banshee, Havok, Polaris, etc). Take your time and do a slow build. Have them learn to work together, and have them be a bunch of kids when we meet them and watch them grow.

[@elderrusty541]

Have Wolverine in them but have him come later, maybe give him his own movie and cross him over later

[@Filthy_Larry]

The first film in my universe wouldn’t even have wolverine in the movie until the sequel where he would be a secondary character who plays a big role and is a Canadian agent with memory loss hunting sabretooths scent. First film would have sentinels be the true main villains with magneto as a political villain and not an evil person but villainy Sinister would be the villain in the second. Sabretooth would be a scout who hunts down mutants for sinisters experiments. Cyclops gets the Luke skywalket spotlight while not over shadowing other x men. Apocalypse would be the emperor here as he is sinisters boss and the final villain the X-men face but sinister would be the headline character like Bain was in the dark knight.

[@Filthy_Larry]

@@elderrusty541 wolverine should be introduced in the immediate sequel but as a secondary character. Think of a gunner from expendables.

[@Aaron-hh5tf]

Jeniffer Lawrence’s obvious disdain for her role as Mystique which showed in every movie she was in didn’t help either.

[@blackphoenix77]

She was only there because of contractual obligations: otherwise she would've bailed after First Class.

[@jeffextreme5498]

I really don't blame her. I blame the changes they made with the character. Complete disgrace. And Rebecca was the perfect Mystique.

[@Aaron-hh5tf]

Jeff Extreme I was thinking she didn’t like the role simply because the other actress looked so seductive as Mystique (Supermodel) whereas Jeniffer Lawrence’s looked pretty roundfaced

[@jacobstewart6146]

I felt she tried in first class

[@impulse5674]

TheRealist 811 yeah that was retarded, in fact I don’t ever recall mystique saving everyone from an exploding mansion, I don’t recall mystique ever lifting a submarine, and to top it all off she says that right after she makes night crawler and quicksilver save everyone from the shuttle

[@BattlestarZenobia]

I’ve never understood how Logan could have been a perfect ending given it completely ruins the upbeat and hopeful vision of the future given in Days if Future Past

[@bryanthomas4907]

Yeah its by far the most vaunted. Not bad but not my fav.

[@ethanstarbuck3124]

I know this is late, but I disagree; I see where you’re coming from, but it actually continues an idea from Days of Future Past: that time is a river that can’t be changed. The mutants still get wiped out around the same time as Days of Future Past, but in a different way

[@seanupton3170]

I mostly like these movies because of the cast. James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender are phenomenal.

[@dreamwarrior1276]

You can't polish a turd.

[@davidencoification]

@@dreamwarrior1276 Something being less than good doesn't mean it's an absolute turd, grow the fuck up. I think these movies are enjoyable if you know what to expect of them.

[@thecowshow5641]

Sean Upton P E R F E C T I O N

[@wolfsid00196]

Fuck yeah

[@thisisnotme33]

@@davidencoification You mean like expect a turd, then you aren't disappointed when you get a turd and won't try and polish it?

[@da1king0fwakanda56]

Fox: I’m sorry for the films we’ve made Fans: You’re always sorry Fox & there’s always an excuse...but nobody cares anymore

[@obsidian8180]

Lol they arent even sorry. They just enjoy shitting on us. Teasing us with comic accurate moments in trailers and end of the films. Only to deliver a film that caters to general film audiences and not X-Men fans. And then they lure us back in again with another moment at the end. Fuckers

[@arianrahman5886]

Logan was literally the perfect ending, bittersweet but perfect. They have completely tarnished their legacy with Dark Phoenix, going out on a whimper.

[@fernie-fernandez]

Then where’s Laura...!?

[@ciaranmcloughlin7165]

They shouldn't have bothered. Honestly.

[@fernie-fernandez]

@@ciaranmcloughlin7165 Then how would MCU bother Dark Phoenix...!?

[@weavehole]

It’s not ruined if nobody watches it! Maybe that was their cunning plan.

[@fernie-fernandez]

@ChandSlam But, will it be CGI-infested with several characters that are recasted and change of race...!?

[@Manuel_B.]

X-Men Origins: Wolverine's Jacket - thats all we get from that movie, where he got that jacket...

[@mixedbagclips2511]

They kind of forgot to make consistent movies...

[@euanjackson811]

The young X men films were consistent they were all ten years apart but the characters didnt age

[@blyzer7373]

@@euanjackson811 What? How is that consistent?

[@blyzer7373]

@@euanjackson811 Oh i get it. Nevermind.

[@MrRiddle0]

They were consistent in the fact that not one movie was consistent

[@moscreefus]

I think they're pretty consistently flaccid

[@NicVegas]

Gambit has been my favorite character since the 90s and I have yet to see a good adaptation of him for film. Crossing my fingers for the MCU

[@onemorerep6597]

I know right, thats a great character and they don’t even use him.

[@l.blanton3019]

He was on point in wolverine origins,they need to do his origins with rogues and show how she got Ms marvel powers

[@ScarlettFevers]

Nic Vegas Channing Tatum was supposed to be playing him, but I haven’t heard that in awhile now

[@LukeLovesRose]

They'll have to replace Hugh Jackman as the most beloved character somehow. Gambit seems like a perfect candidate

[@25-keys44]

@Craig Arnott that sounds fucking grim

[@LordMichaelRahl]

It could have been worse, I'm personally glad for the things they did right, most of all Hugh-Jacked-Man.

[@keith1984rich]

It was worse. Dark Phoenix was a waste of film.

[@jadeo6325]

Hugh jackman actually killed it he wasn’t their original choice but he did a great job as Wolvie

[@piyushnagawat24]

Well said

[@how_tragic]

Huge Jacked man

[@caiorezei]

Just imagine how insane it would be if Evan Peters became Quicksilver in the MCU outta nowhere hahahahaha

[@AsaBrooks]

@Aaron A420 I can't tell if you know or if you don't know.

[@darthvenom305671]

hehehee Bohner

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

Not really a fan. I can't stand how awful he looks. He looks like a cosplayer. I'd rather see the tall, muscular guy that we got in the comics. That goes for Magneto too. Where's the muscle-bound intellectual silverfox?

[@conserztasfia0078]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin I guess u like the avengers' quicksilver instead

[@drlca6601]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin you must be eating good w '97 then lmao

[@Brook11223]

Continuity shmontinuity is what X-Men is all about.

[@jdsmall13]

John Campea fan too?

[@robertobuenafe]

*Am I the only one who loved that Gambit in Origins even if it's not "comic book accurate"?* *That was actually so cool.*

[@guardianjuan]

"hey, let's have the guy that ruin xmen 3 ruin a new xmen movie again, oh and please make sure it is the same one, just add some sprinkles and no one will notice"

[@ChaseBlackmoon]

Wait, they used the SAME guy? No wonder it stank.

[@mikebond9612]

Ummm. Singer didn't make Xmen 3. That was Brett Ratner. Singer left to make Superman Returns

[@ChaseBlackmoon]

@@mikebond9612 oh really? My mistake, still a shame they both are crappy.

[@mikebond9612]

@@ChaseBlackmoon Agreed!

[@mikebond9612]

@@ChaseBlackmoon Had to double check in case i had that mixed up. They both suck ass

[@ryuhitsuya21]

First Class, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Days of Future Past. That sounds like a strong way to set up mutants, bring a massive threat, tell a more personal story as a consequence of the big threat, then a hail mary attempt to save the ruined world of the previous film.

[@cedarstriprocketship8222]

I blame Nick Mason.

[@zepp_broski2404]

Daniel Taylor drummer for Floyd?

[@EasyCure0]

@@Basil-Spice don't forget he's the King of icecream

[@magnamic5614]

Daniel Taylor, I was going to write, “How dare you blame my man crush!!!” Then I read the replies to your comment. Now I love your comment.

[@EasyCure0]

@@magnamic5614 he's such a man crush, yum yum yum!

[@DerHammerSpricht]

I blame Taddy Mason

[@scooobydoo27]

Dark Phoenix looks like a quick cash grabs by execs who knew the company was being sold.

[@Getwright-]

Costume design wise, Frank quietly's new man uniforms were inspired by the first movie costumes. So these uniforms are crappy versions of comic uniforms that were designed to work in a live action setting

[@Zenocius]

More like the blue man group

[@markchapman6800]

I liked even the first X-Men movie at the time, but stopped reading the comics, their adoption of the boring movie costumes being one reason (the unexplained reboot which introduced the new costumes was the main reason).

[@ProjektTaku]

I wish for last stand too inspiration from frank quietly x-men suits, with splashes of yellow over the leather. Then apocalypse would follow on the costume design path first class was on, and give them their comic accurate suits for the final battle, and dark phoenix would have them all throughout.

[@mrdrewburrows]

'House of M' possibly the overarching theme of Wandavision??

[@Beastinvader]

But perhaps she is the one makes mutants instead of destroying them.

[@sidecharacter3193]

Beastinvader I hope not because then they’ll eventually get rid of the mutants when reversing it

[@marvelousTUD]

It will certainly set up House of M at the very least. It will reportedly deal with Wanda’s reality warping powers and an idealized 1950s-Essie version of the world that she creates in her own mind.

[@bryans_cult]

@@marvelousTUD link me the source.

[@marvelousTUD]

Dude, Google it

[@captcrais101]

I hope when the MCU does these characters they do some different stories that Fox never got too. I would like to see Sinister, Brood, Alpha Flight, The Phalanax, and Asteroid M.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

I’m a time traveler from the future and I’m here to tell you, the franchise was better in Fox’s hands than Disney’s. Extremely hard to believe but you’ll see in due time

[@bronzeliver6735]

How to fix the x man franchise. 1. Erase apocalypse, dark Phoenix and origins from existence 2. Done

[@agentofchaos7456]

What is your buff with Phoenix?

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

I’d do a remake of Apocalypse but with a better design for the villain

[@goatfarmer4785]

@@agentofchaos7456 Phoenix has too much powered And she got killed by wolverine Seriously???????????????? The greatest weapon in x men is imotion 😂😂

[@sheepnari4373]

@@agentofchaos7456 really? It was a usless adition to the movies

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@sheepnari4373 Its purpose was to help set-up a new saga.

[@chiip90]

They weren't great films because they didn't explore the character's motivations enough. For example; why is Cyclops the leader? He wasn't the most powerful (Iceman/Jean) or the most intelligent (Beast). If you read the early comics you know its because of all the original X-men he was the only one that could only use his power to kill, or at least maim, enemies. There was no turning it down or off; if he beamed you you were done. This resulted in an individual with a huge sense of responsibility who understood that their actions had weight. That's why Charles picked him to be leader and groomed him to become the tactical master they needed. But in the movies he's bit part/irrelevant. Is it any surprise that the moves tended to be a bit shallow? The obvious exception is Logan; the film in which they explored motivation more than any other and it resulted in the best X-men film.

[@Browntaku10]

Reboot complete and adapt the first season of the 90’s cartoon with modern implications

[@pittland44]

I would love to see a night of the sentinels movie. And have it end on kind of a down note. Beast is in jail. Morph is dead (or is he?). Scott and Logan are at each others throats, and then proceed from there.

[@choosiheng5493]

That's cartoon series perfectly sums up my childhood. And who can forget the best cartoon theme somg

[@ShadowBanned-o_O]

YES! This is what I've been saying. It was executed so well. The X-Men were already established, no need for origin stories. And through Jubilee as a new character we were able to catch up with all the X-Men characters and the plot while still having action packed episodes.

[@julianlora_]

fix without going to the mcu? bring in the bishop and cable stories. more alternate timelines.

[@rossbatten2912]

Either of those characters in a Terminator type movie coming back to save a doomed future would be really 90s and I'd love it. Bishop is my favourite X-men character of all time.

[@CHASEMARC]

A multi million dollar movie franchise that each time made its budget and more, made Hugh Jackman a household name, and includes the highest grossing rated R move to date (Deadpool) is a failure? Wish I failed that good in life

[@sensei-lr4cj]

To be honest it's not the X-Men, it's Wolverine and friends.

[@athenajaxon2397]

Honestly the only one of these movies that flopped was Dark Phoenix

[@finned958]

Phoenix wasn’t bad, but Mystique went from mysterious to traitor to preachy. Her character evolved to where I couldn’t figure her out and she died in the end. X-Men timeline was weird.

[@DrowzyDruid]

I am very okay with Daredevil becoming the new '& Knuckles' meme replacement. E.G. 'Chunky Vegetable soup with Swede, Carrot & Daredevil' Even works with songs - 'Are you going to Scarborough Fair... Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme... & Daredevil'.

[@ajmccorristin1125]

It's simple do Dark Phonix 2 more times because as we all know the 5th one is where it gets good again

[@moviehermit5631]

A big part of what makes or breaks a movie is the antagonist. X-men: Magneto and his extremist methods and the regular people prejudiced against mutants X-Men 2: Stryker manipulating the facts, creating a story that gives him more power, as well as his connection to Logans past X-Men 3: Same as X-men 1, as well as Jean coming back to life, but very unhinged (not entirely fleshed out, which was a part of the movie not being well received) X-men Origins Wolverine: Stryker, the manipulation of Logan, Victor, Logans animal nature, etc (Just a bit too much, which lead to nothing feeling fleshed out) The Wolverine: Logans mortality, how he's tired, but has never been able to settle down and be happy. Always in a war, and always being the last one standing among enemies as well as friends. Logan: Endings as well as new beginnings. Logan is old, his healing factor is failing, and everyone he's ever known is now gone. He and Laura are hunted down by a government branch as well as the physical representation of Logans rage, his animal nature and how his life is nothing but a blood soaked war-zone. X-Men First Class: Schmidt, his connection to Magneto, the threat of Nuclear war, and the fear of the unknown that is now revealed to the world X-Men Days of Future Past: Time itself, both in the threat of the future, and the mistakes of the past X-men Dark Phoenix: Random aliens that lost an energy that latched onto Jean (who also has memories locked away to keep her in check), no real personal connection and it's just the X-men trying to find and reason with Jean while the Brotherhood is trying to kill her. All this while public opinion on mutants went from _really well_ to _We hate you_ overnight Edit: I completely forgot about Apocalypse X-men apocalypse: Random ancient mutant (which doesn't make sense cause mutants were supposed to show up after the nuclear age, accelerating evolution). A team of random mutants that have little to no personality or purpose o(other than magneto) Gradually, these films just became a set-up for a big final battle with meaningless characters that look cool, but lacks any actual heart

[@AlMaghreb.]

Well we have old steve rogers now…

[@twelve11]

X-Men Danger Room Protocols. Look it up. That is what the X-men NEED to be

[@jandiethervalero9906]

What ironic about Old Man Logan is that, he’s already and Old Man even before he joined the X-Men!!! You know what’s an awesome idea? *Old Man Cyclops* Where he’s diagnosed with cataracts...

[@606danco]

Great scott thats a good idea

[@MCThaQueen]

@@606danco i read that in doc browns voice from back to the future 😂

[@lenardregencia]

I want to see Old Man Gary Oldman.

[@shinbeet.5708]

Who are you and why do you have my profile picture?

[@pittland44]

Isn't that just Gary Oldman?

[@kashsmith6181]

This might just be me, but I really liked the Dazzler cameo. To me, things like that just make a fictional world feel more living. Like, there are characters with lives, Hope's, and dreams outside of the main plot.

[@ThatOneDoesntCount]

honestly like the only good thing about Dark Phoenix

[@iyabatt]

Re-watching this video and I feel that they focused too much on certain characters and put Wolverine front and centre way too much. The x-men are meant to be ensemble films with each character explored and fleshed out. I've seen other comments on different videos like this one saying about how characters like Storm, Cyclops, Psylocke, Iceman etc getting little to no character development. I do think the MCU has done a brilliant job of making viewers care for each character in the ensemble films and the origin films.

[@35antonio]

I would love to see old man Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire

[@ruifigueiredo5486]

we might get that lol i heard somewhere that the next spiderman movie after far from home is a spiderverse movie

[@diegom-a7970]

I really want Tobey in a Wes Anderson movie

[@glazinghost5951]

That would be Spider-Man: Reign

[@V_For_Vigilante]

Tobey is the best Spider-Man

[@ryanpeters4415]

You mean dead mj cuz of radioactive spider semen? That's a real fucking comic...

[@dennisjohansen8490]

I've always wanted to see Age of Apocalypse adapted. That was a fantastic story.

[@LoveProWrestling]

but it only works because you are surprised to see familiar characters in new personas. Joe popcorn will not give a shit that Havok is different in this universe because whotf is Havok?

[@dennisjohansen8490]

@@LoveProWrestling It works because it was a good story. I didn't know who half the characters were when I read the comic as a kid. That didn't keep me from seeing that it was a good storyline. With a couple exceptions, most of the characters were not really that far from their counterparts in the original story anyway. Just a different world setting. The studios need to stop pandering to "Joe Popcorn" anyway. That is why we have the garbage heap of X-Men movies that we do. Joe Popcorn doesn't know anything about any X-Men storyline so why would he give a shit about which one it is just so long as he can eat his popcorn?

[@robertjohn8711]

X men 1, x2, first class, days of future past, Deadpool, Logan, And Deadpool 2 were all great.

[@ciaranmcloughlin7165]

The only bad ones were Last Stand, Origins, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.

[@oldmanlogan9616]

@@ciaranmcloughlin7165 dont you forget about The Wolverine.

[@oldmanlogan9616]

Days of Future Past wasnt that great at all, except for the Quicksliver scene.

[@Lionize728]

I really don't consider the Deadpools X-Men movies, but you're right, they were great.

[@robertjohn8711]

Vinicius RDLP Nonsense. It had an engaging plot, great dialogue, fun action, and heartfelt scenes. Easy best besides Logan

[@eliasmejia7862]

Would have been nice to see more individual stories in movies from the characters and not have them relied on wolverine to carry the franchise and have everything leading up to the X-men forming like avengers maybe it just got hard for them to balance every character on screen

[@battleupsaber462]

Because Charles *didn't know what to do!*

[@jph4889]

CHAAAALLLSSS

[@squirrel9544]

*Idontknowwhattodo*

[@mk6rfc1]

Can’t believe that didn’t make the final cut

[@zom8680]

@@jph4889 SHOW YOURSELF!!!!!

[@Dardessia]

I've just realised, having the entire Dark Phoenix plot occur in X3 is VERY comparable to the treatment of Danaerys in the last GoT season...

[@obsidian8180]

This is true. Very true

[@Dragon.um5tz]

Fun fact, the same douche Lords, who gave that treatment to Danaerys in the final season of GOT, also was responsible for the even worse abomination is X-Men origins: Wolverine

[@StreeTHiPHoP131]

Ahhh so this is your magnum opus... well played Mr sunday

[@maeentell3259]

Them: U wanna sea old man Captain America... Me: No, I don't think you will...

[@curlysmith101]

X-Men the actors of the original VS Planet broadcasting... Standard American football pitch... Go

[@torcoolguy]

I mean, James did do Karate, so...

[@curlysmith101]

Also James' special move - baby James with a big sandwich - unstoppable!

[@spacepopeXIV]

Loving the love for Days of Future Past, that movie is pretty pretty good, very entertaining and feels very X-Men.

[@F1rsttimer]

IT'S SIMPLE. TOO MANY ACTORS, WRITERS, AND DIRECTORS!

[@Silenthitman44]

Last stand (writer) ( beginning of the end the rise of Kinberg destroyer of x men and ff4) Part of days of Future past (writer, producer) Apocalypse ( writer, producer) Dark Pheonix ( writer, producer, director) Were written by the same person, Simon kinberg who steadily got more and more power and basically took a shit on it's source material, continuity

[@merciless41582]

One word, INCONSISTENT!!! They had Magneto and Mystique villains in the 1st movie, had them as allies in the 2nd movie, and had them as villains again in the 3rd movie. The only X Men movie that is great is Days of Future Past. How the X Men were portrayed in the 1992 animated series is how the X Men are supposed to be portrayed. Not to mention, Rogue wasn’t the badass she was in the animated series. I look at Anna Paquin’s Rogue as a disgrace.

[@williamavitt8264]

It lasted 20 years, kickstarted a superhero renaissance and made billions. Hardly a failure

[@ImFunTime]

“We need an old captain America.” 1 month or so before endgame released

[@ronki23]

It wasn't a failure. It made money. X Men, X2, First Class and Days of Future Past are in my top 10 Superhero movies

[@wk3820]

It's no coincidence that the simpler stories like Logan or Deadpool outperformed the movies packed with too many characters. Sometimes less is more

[@SmokeyLaBear]

This is some of the best editing I've seen on this channel, especially 1:04

[@ewimp]

Nearly half of these movies stand the test of time... The others are completely forgettable but still...

[@kendallhurley8596]

But they're shouldn't really be considered x men movies

[@nossasenhoradoo871]

"Nearly half of these movies stand the test of time." But there is no time. That is why Star Wars got "improved".

[@ShadowBanned-o_O]

How to bring the franchise back? That's easy. First, stick to the comics. Second, no more origin stories. Majority of the world knows who the X-Men are at this point, so no need to go over it again. If you don't know, who cares. If the movie is done well you wont need origin stories, the 90's animated series did a great job with this. Third, if you intend on making a trilogy (bunch of movies) make one badass story-line that will expand through multiple sequels and stick with it. They did this in the first trilogy making it revolve around Wolverine, which was a mistake. Wolverine is my favorite comic character, but these were "X-MEN" movies. They need to give the rest of the team more screen/story time. Just my opinion..

[@narcspector]

“I fix the carburetor for YOU” “You fix it? You can’t fix it.” - Longmont Potion Castle

[@facuuaf]

Well, it's the fourth highest grossing franchise and 8 out of 13 are certified fresh, so I don't think it truly failed

[@justinharris2272]

I havent even watched the video yet but theres so many reasons. And it makes me sad. This is my favourite comic book franchise :/

[@isaachanakuka3315]

I read the comics as a kid too.......so much material and they still messed it up .... why was mystique an x man? Because reasons

[@plissken151]

"How to fix the X-men franchise?" -Obvious answer= Give it to Kevin Fiege.

[@justice_productions_]

I would love to see the introduction of the Xmen and Brother hood in the MCU be them running at eachother just like the intro to the 90s series

[@PopCross]

Just scrolling through the comments to see if the 'deadpool's in his own space' guy is here

[@Codemarla]

"Age of Apocalypse" is my 2nd favourite comic story of ALL TIME. Id love to see a TV series adaptation of it. I think my love for it is why the terrible Apocalypse film hurt so much.

[@analothor]

age apocalypse's story ending was terrible

[@Codemarla]

@@analothor It did just kind of limp out at the end yeah. it suffered from the problem that it was a comic so everything had to return to normal at the end. If it was adapted id like to see a change to the end.

[@analothor]

@@Codemarla at least with x men Apocalypse the idea of phoenix killing Apocalypse isn't completely far fetched

[@cjlister8508]

@@analothor Disagree, I hated that. Apocalypse was built up as being so powerful then was killed very quickly in a very un-satisfying way. Given how he was killing people with mind controlled grains of sand earlier in the film, it made no sense why he just stood around doing basically nothing.

[@analothor]

@@cjlister8508 no I mean in terms of power scaling, the phoenix is a multiversal entity in normal context it makes sense as to why apocalypse shouldn't be able to beat that but not in this film where the phoenix wasn't given any build at all

[@qasimsid09]

Forgetting that the Spider-Man 2002 originally wanted Hugh Jackman to make a cameo as wolverine.

[@theproceedings4050]

I think the X-Men series failed because the heroes weren't individual, they over emphasized the group and deemphasized the individual thoughts and feelings of most of the actors. The avengers is great because there is always tension between the heroes because they all have their own beliefs and ideas.

[@Dave102693]

But they are a group. That's how they are in the conics.

[@jeffextreme5498]

That doesn't make sense. They are a group. That's the entire point. And the first two X-Men movies did show a lot of individual stories. I love the Avengers movies. I also love the first two X-Men.

[@theproceedings4050]

Im not trying to say they arent a group, im saying that theyre a group with individuals without their own well defined proclivities, which in my opinion make the group very one dimensional.

[@theswanprince9875]

The X-Men franchise didn't fail. With twelve films released, the X-Men film series is the eighth highest-grossing film series, having grossed over $6 billion worldwide. Even the worst movie Dark Phoenix made money. On a budget of $200 million it made $252.4 million.

[@hero_with_feelers4999]

Old Man Hawkeye is an absolute fantastic read.

[@KennethEstrellaTV]

"They could have called it Fantastic Four and another guy" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Maladjester]

"The first one that loses money will be the last one we make." -Hollywood's Golden Rule

[@QuietGuitaristfan]

You mentioned the first Ironman, but the universe hadn't been established. The reason the Ironman changes worked was because these characters weren't popular in the comics initially. The most popular comic characters from Marvel were Spider-man, Fantastic 4, and X-men.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

I don't really care about the costumes being comic book accurate I just want them to be interesting. A good chunk of the MCU costumes are completely different from the comics, but they're usually at least interesting. My favorite example is the Endgame white outfits, they're completely new, but they make sense and they're interesting enough.

[@fernie-fernandez]

You know FOX tried to avoid comic-book accurate costume for the live-action X-Men for a nitty-gritty world where Mutants are hated and enslaved for weaponry, but since Last Stand was failed, a planned 4th film was planned way before the 3rd, and after that...an anthology set of films was planned like Origins: Wolverine, but due to the criticisms, including Deadpool’s appearance, it was later scrapped... Now the MCU released The Avengers, and FOX took notes from it...

[@maxhydekyle2425]

@@fernie-fernandez Ya I do know...

[@christianbaker3564]

It's sad it had to go out the way it did cuz I loved the first two and still do. They paved the way for the modern superhero movies

[@hamilangelobanag8432]

MCU could use the A vs X saga, with the Phoenix 5

[@bartistclord1916]

Yes they could, but to be good, it would have to be AFTER 10 movies of X-Men, 5 movies of Phoenix Saga, ending in Dark Phoenix, Then after Onslaught, After House of M. THEN do Phoenix 5... your suggestion is like "Fox should keep ruining these movies by jumping to the last page of a 2000 page story, Just like they did both times with dark phoenix."

[@somebuddyX]

Taking out the Phoenix story element, they could do an Avengers vs X-Men after a couple of X-Men solo films, similar to Civil War. The New Avengers are already familiar to audiences and should be moreso after even more of their own films, it's just the X-Men who'd need to be established. I think Phoenix won't be used again for a long while.

[@iamphoenix1086]

Fox in making xmen movies. They are too focused on lifting one character. They only lift logan. So the phoenix is ​​ignored. Lack of character development. It's one of the things that should be improved by Marvel Studio.

[@93King]

@@bartistclord1916 They don't HAVE to do it that way. There are so many ways to tell a story. If you believe every story has to be told the way Marvel did with the MCU, then you lack creativity.

[@bartistclord1916]

@@93King If they jump to the phoenix 5, that would be crap story-telling, then we would get a dozen prequels. I hate prequels. flashbacks are lame. Tell the story in order. Why would the makers of Endgame ,(2.78 billion dollars), want to throw away the way they make money to jump on a 2015 story ? Yes, you are correct, they don't HAVE to do it that way, they could follow Rian or Zac's way of making movies.

[@jordanthomas4379]

The "Logan" movie was much more like the "death of wolverine" comic than it was "old man logan".

[@falvalisious]

I have enjoyed exactly 1 of all the X-men movies. I'm a grumpy Mr Man.

[@ericlayton8888]

Which one was it?

[@falvalisious]

@@ericlayton8888 Deadpool

[@stefanocanicchio7278]

@@falvalisious You are a legend

[@wallieincantors]

The first 10 seconds “Im gonna squeak this one out thats xmen dark pheniox” 😂😂😂

[@BlazinNSoul]

How they mistreated Selene's character alone is worth it bombing. Seriously how do you f*** up so many great characters in one movie lol. Dark Phoenix was an abomination of not only its source material. But a huge disservice to great cast of characters. Reducing some to merely footnotes is unforgivable. Good riddance to Fox and hopefully Bryan Singer is cast off to some Island somewhere. R.I.P X-Men!!💀

[@bwillythekid8249]

Failed? There's about 10 films. How can that be a failure?

[@toddreyes2487]

Most of them sucked

[@landrysaathoff2418]

I mean, they were super hit and miss. It’s not fair to say that most of them are one way or the other.

[@mk6rfc1]

Dark Phoenix didn’t work, but the whole franchise wasn’t a failure. There were more good movies than bad movies

[@BS10258]

That is highly debatable. X2, First Class, Day of Future Past, Logan were the only Xmen films I would say are above average films. X3, Dark Phoenix, the first Wolverine movie and Apocalypse were monumental failures. The bad Xmen films outweighs the good Xmen films.

[@sameenshahid7457]

​@@BS10258 that's your opinion. Most of the films did well at the box office.

[@hoochiemoochie89]

I will never understand why people like X-Men 1. I just always felt bored with it and there were so many parts and characters that were dumb and/or useless (Sabretooth, Toad, and Storm for instance). There are scenes I like, but most of them are when Patrick Stewart and/or Ian McKellen are present.

[@joshuapace636]

I think a main reason the MCU succeeded where X-Men failed was that the MCU characters didn't just have distinct personalities, but they embodied distinct principles. The beating heart of the MCU were Captain America (who stood for honor, duty, and innate goodness) and Iron Man (intelligence, ingenuity, self-determination). The X-Men characters may have different personalities, but they don't embody specific principles, or when they did, they are often wildly inconsistent between films. Put another way, the MCU characters are tonally diverse and colorful, while the X-Men are tonally muted and gray--and therefore, ultimately, not that interesting (despite having cool powers).

[@alqu6375]

My question is why of all the awesome female characters in x-man, why did they pick Mystique as their "go to gal" and kinda screw all they other x-woman over? I mean really?! Poor Storm, Rogue, Kitty, Psylocke, Jubliee and even Jean Gray to some extent. :(

[@jeffextreme5498]

Yep. This. And that's on the crew, not on Lawrence.

[@prototypecetma]

Does anyone else nearly instantly tap “like” when Mr. Sunday tells you to during the video? I guess I have the feeling that I don’t want to let him down. Also, more or less just to get it out of the way so I can watch the video.

[@FragileCreatures]

Film one: set in the 60s. Xmen are Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Angel and Beast. Naive, colourful. They defeat a young Magneto and become celebrities. Film two: late 70s. A darker XMen made up of Storm, Wolverine, Banshee, Starfire, Nightcrawler, and Colussus investigate the disappearance of the original, celebrity XMen 10 years prior. Prof X is a recluse, traumatised by those events. By the end of the film we have Cyclops and Jean back, but Scott is amnesiac, and Jean is cagey and has adopted the code name Phoenix. Struggle is against Mr Sinister, but we're still left with few answer as to what happened to the team. Film three: 80s. Jean has left again. Scott and Logan form a strained alliance, delving into Logans lost past. We discover Alpha Flight, the sentinel programme, Sabretooth, Lady Deathstrike, all government efforts to harness and control mutant powers. Logan learns of his experiment. Eventually they discover the original XMen were not taken by the weapon X programme, but stolen by Apocalypses herald Omega Red, to become his Horsemen. Film four: Apocalypse is attempting to take over World. His horseman include an altered Beast, Angel and Iceman, along with Omega Red. It turns out Scott and Jean were rescued by Mr Sinister who didn't want the end of the world, but Jean manifested a strange new power set which made Sinister fear her even more than Apocalypse. The X Men get trashed by Apocalypse and his horsemen, until Jean arrives and destroys Apocalypse freeing the original XMen who must now deal with the mutilation done to them when Apocalypse upped their power set. Final film; its Dark Phoenix. Jean is now lost to the power of the Phoenix force which wants to burn earth clean and start again in its cycle of death and renewal of power. The XMen must unite with their old nemesis Magneto, who followed his 60s and 70s years as a mutant terrorist by establishing the island nation of Genosha and building a peaceful brotherhood. Phoenix kills most of the mutants. They team up against Phoenix but many are killed and maimed before Logan ultimately kills her thanks to his regeneration. They lost so much along the way. Scott will never Forgive Logan for failing to rescue Jean from the force. Mutant kind are on the verge of extinction. Charles and Magnus vow to work together, to build a new Genosha in harmony with the world powers who recognise their contribution to saving the planet from extincrion. If there's insane demand five years later we do Onslaught and it's totally fucked up!

[@exzyyd392]

Legion episodes are an hour long and Xavier is gonna be in season 3 so if you watch 2 episodes back to back then they're better X-Men movies than the actual movies

[@jeffextreme5498]

hahahaha I'm a fan of the show but your comment is hilarious. Yeah right.

[@Boutiki]

Hydraxion Voltage how do you know he's gonna be in legion? Season 3 i still need to watch that!!

[@Nealrex101]

shit, is Legion out on any aussie streaming service? i’ve been dying to see it

[@exzyyd392]

@@Boutiki In the trailer you can see him for a second wearing Cerebro. In the trailer's comments a few people have said that a certain actor has been cast as him (I've never heard of him so I'm not sure)

[@cottontail1039]

8:11 Actually, I always thought that there should be a Nightcrawler/Daredevil crossover. Daredevil's blind and works at night, so nobody would be able to see Nightcrawler (who happens to have night vision) and Daredevil wouldn't judge him by the way he looks. Also, Matt jumps off buildings while Nightcrawler is an acrobat who could teleport and stick to walls. They're even both Catholic.

[@TbYolo]

They definitely should of finished the X Men Franchise with Logan that was the best movie in the franchise

[@felphero]

Man the fact they messed up the phoenix saga storyline twice makes me feel embarassed for them. I can't even imagine a third attempt

[@saturncrush]

Because it was never taking seriously from the beginning.

[@wolfgang6442]

Pretty much, but let's hope the the next iteration is a lot better

[@donnygv27]

One thing i always disliked about the x-men movies, at least the original ones, were how they always found some way to have cyclops excluded from almost the entirety of the plot

[@martinshanahan8851]

My ultimate X-Men/Deadpool movie ranking list from best to worst: 1. Logan 2. Days of Future Past 3. Deadpool 4. First Class 5. Deadpool 2 6. X-Men 3 (It's stupid I know but... dang it I love it) 7. X-Men 2 (I know everyone says it's the best, and it is definitely the most well made of the OG trilogy, but I just don't have that much of a connection with it.) 8. X-Men 1 9. The Wolverine 10. Apocalypse 11. Origins And I haven't seen Dark Phoenix yet. Overall, with the exception of X3, my thoughts probably line up with most of the fandom.

[@nadielleacosta6674]

I recently rewatched all the movies in production order and my ranking looks somewhat similar to yours, aside from the Last Stand and X2. It goes like this: 1. Deadpool 2. Logan 3. X2 4. First Class 5. Days Of The Future Past 6. Deadpool 2 7. The Wolverine 8. X1 9. Apocalypse 10. The Last Stand 11. X-Men Origins: Wolverine I haven't watched Dark Phoenix either but honestly, I'm satisfied with what I saw in these 11 movies and agree that Logan was a great send off. (By the way, you skipped the number 3)

[@martinshanahan8851]

@@nadielleacosta6674 heh, good call about the numbering. Also, I completely agree. I don't hate any of the X-Men movies. Even the bottom of the barrel films like Origins and Apocalypse have some enjoyable acting and action scenes. Plus, each movie always shows off some fun new mutants (Besides Logan cuz y'know... They're all dead), so at the very least they all have that. X2 had Nightcrawler, X3 had Beast and Angel, Origins had Gambit, Days of Future Past had loads, etc. However, I must say that the studio interference in the last few films especially has really started to get on my nerves. Perhaps its for the best that the rights switched hands. But, we'll just have to see...

[@oldmanlogan9616]

1- X2 2- First Class 3- Logan 4- Deadpool 5- X-men 6- Days of future past 7- X-men the last stand 8- Deadpool 2 9- Origins Wolverine 10-The Wolverine 11- Apocalypse

[@CrookedStepsHardHeaded]

Thank you for actually showing images of all the movies while narrating, instead of just showing two guys talking, and you both point out facts very relevant to the reason of why this series was very irregular.

[@NickNitro03]

Days of Future Past was gorgeous

[@Ignasimp]

Yes.

[@hellbenderdesign]

My favorite X-Men movie characters are the 20-or-so 'flying' guys, who all fly the same way, as though they are swinging from an invisible cable. The Invisible Cable Squad, I call them. 5:15

[@Sidenonra]

Cool guys don't look at explosions They blow things up and then walk away Who's got time to watch an explosion Cause cool guy's errand's that they have to walk too

[@andedom]

That's written in Article X, Section VII of the Bro Code

[@NikiWonoto26]

I lose respect from right at the beginning when the only reason is because there is no more Wolverine/Logan. such a shallow reason, that sadly, a lot of people nowadays seem to share.

[@justafidemyself]

Failed ? This is the franchise that gave us X-Men, X2, Days of Future Past, First Class, Logan, etc.

[@jbo4547]

And had hugeee failures/shit movies with Origins, X3, the Wolverine, apocalypse, phoenix..... come on brah

[@mazengwe28]

Days of Fututre past was horrible.

[@zackwoodd4606]

@@jbo4547 The XCU isn't perfect but the movies Cedric mentioned are all top tier comic book movies and beat the silly MCU movies that rather have dumb humor instead of actual storytelling

[@67namrajoshi51]

@@zackwoodd4606 no where near MCU