Why These Wheels Are a Safer Bet than Carbon. Best Alloy Wheelset? DT SWISS PR 1400 DICUT OXIC

[@Ih8GoogleandApple]

Make sure you take extra brake pads for the oxic wheels as the recommended pads wear out quickly especially under higher than average braking loads.

[@klein-concept]

Glad you said this as i took an extra pair with me 🤜🤛 but felt a bit paranoid doing so. Good to know it seems like that made sense.

[@NeoPayneHK]

this is some kind of "issue" when DT swiss make the oxic way way too harder than all the other brands they almost never fade out but only chew up your brake pads~~~ always keep another spare pair brake pads and it would be fine

[@hoizkiacha]

Thanks for the video. I actually enjoyed it.

[@klein-concept]

Thanks a lot for mentioning this. Very happy to hear that 🤜🤛

[@RobertRauchfuss]

Great video! Very interesting indeed…

[@klein-concept]

Thanks Rob. Been a pleasure riding together 🫶

[@wesleyvandeurzen7199]

btw you can use Swisside yellow king pads. They are very soft and wear out quick but this is actually good because they wear out the carbon wheels very slowly AND they dissipate heat better.

[@klein-concept]

I didnt know that. Thanks a lot for the tip 🤜🤛

[@aszalai86]

Had these on my ex's bike, while the Fulcrum Racing Zero Nite (almost the same as Campy Shamal Mille) on mine. The Fulcrums felt just a bit better (snappier/stiffer), they probably are the best alloy climbing wheels out there - but the DTs are definitely not far off.

[@klein-concept]

Thanks a lot for that insight. I didnt know the Fulcrum ones. Will have a look if i can borrow some to give them a testride. Happy to hear tho that the DT s are close 🤜🤛

[@zikaperic2133]

Indeed there should be 100g diff so that's expected. On the other hand,, Fulcrum Zero should be slightly less aero and I also feel on a longer descents having more metal helps dissipating heat. Also, I would guess that DT would be slightly better quality on a longer period (DT 240 hub is is rock solid)

[@KOVAL17CHUK]

I have the same wheel set with Continental GP 5000 25 mm tubeless tires mounted and I absolutely love it so far! The brake performance together with the Swissstop blue brake pads is absolutely superb for rim brakes also in wet conditions. Which tire size are mounted on in the video? also 25 mm or 28mm?

[@klein-concept]

Glad you are enjoying them as well. I have 28mm mounted on these.

[@returnofthenative]

Me too, but 23s with GP5000 25mm, only just got them today so haven't tried them yet but they look great. I'm a big fan of Dura Ace C24s, 7900 & 9100 on a couple of my other bikes, so hoping well for these DTs.

[@zikaperic2133]

Another thanks for the suggestion regarding the squeek... DT-Swiss should own you some money. Although pads are eaten up quickly

[@klein-concept]

@@zikaperic2133 hehe glad it helped 🤜🤛

[@kanga66prso]

any change since version 2018? I own the 21, my rear wheels has always been making an annoying sound coming from the points where hubs are crossing. A true pain in the arse solved by applying some thick oil but it makes the wheels dirtier and if you wash the bike you need to re-apply.

[@klein-concept]

Good question. Short answer is that i dont know but i didnt get any weird noises from the rear. You mean where the spokes are crossing?

[@ruudboek]

I have Aforce AL33 alloy rim brake wheels, they are 1580 grams at 32.5mm deep, but the rim shape is toroidal which makes them more aero. They are quite wide at 26.2mm outer and 19.6mm inner width. I like how they sound when i ride them. The braking surface was created using a method called Plasma Electrolytic Oxidation (PEO) which sounds quite similar to the OXIC braking surface of the DT SWISS PR. I do not hope that it is the same, because on my wheels they seem to not last very long. I do also have to say that the PEO braking surface not lasting is a rather notorious issue for the Aforce AL33 wheelset, so it could be a wheel set/brand specific issue.

[@klein-concept]

They look great. Seems like they do the same magic with the break track. 😍

[@ruudboek]

@@klein-concept When the brake track is worn out, i am going to ride them for a few minutes with 400 grit sandpaper superglued to the break shoes to sand them down to the aluminum. I did that with my previous wheelset with an anodized brake track as well and it worked like a charm. The brake surface looked perfect after doing that. Then i will get me some nice tan/skin walled tires, it think that goes better with aluminum brake tracks.

[@klein-concept]

@@ruudboek that is a proper hack mate. Thanks for the tip 🫶 and yes tan side walls look great with a aluminum break track.

[@NeoPayneHK]

oxic is way harder than others🤣 its hunger for pads!!!

[@klein-concept]

@@NeoPayneHK it is. You see the rims grinding it like soft 🧀.

[@bastisk8]

You should try Ridenow TPU-tubes with them - a lot more convenient than tubeless, potentially even slightly lighter, about the same rolling resistance and awesome "whooshing" sound

[@klein-concept]

Thanks for the tip. I didnt go for TPU because i heard they are not made for rim brakes especially when there is a lot of heat from braking. So was nothing for Mallorca i guess. But do you have other experience? Would be great to hear 🤜🤛

[@alexandros_thsslnki]

Very good video and you give us good explanation about the wheels. I run with fulcrum racing 4 (good for their money, 400 euros - 35 profile 1700 weight gives you stability on the straights). Why should I choose dt and not let's say shamal camp (more expensive for sure if we don't consider the price). Thanks.

[@klein-concept]

Thanks a lot. I went for these over e.g. the camp ones because i read that the oxic breaking surface treatment is supposed to give you extra braking power. But i can not fully validate this as i didnt run the campy wheels and can only compare to my carbon wheels, where obviously the oxic break track provides way better braking power. But the look also played a bit of a role here. I really liked to keep the braking surface black 🫣😂😂

[@alexandros_thsslnki]

@@klein-concept 🤜🤛👍😉

[@dieterbierman9803]

Got exactly those on a bike I bought second hand. I live in Holland, so I don't brake much, but they're slightly warn in colour now (approx 20k) and a few zilver stripes on the rim where I probably had a little stone in my brake pad or something. Also own a set of vision team 35 comp sl, that I've bought new for another bike a couple of months ago and those already went shiny silver alloy within a few rides.

[@klein-concept]

Yes i think they are a different class than the Vision ones 🫣. How do you like them so far on the flats?

[@dieterbierman9803]

@@klein-concept The visions give me a bit less confidence doing hard/sharp cornering. But maybe that's just the bike they're on. Otherwise both sets do the job for me.

[@bwtms]

@klein-concept what do you think of the Mavic's exalite rims?

[@klein-concept]

Could you share a link which ones exactly you mean?

[@markolivercrisostomo3421]

Hi im planning to buy like this. What is the stock hubs 240 is it 18t? Coz im planning to upgrade to 54t

[@klein-concept]

It is a 240 hub with a 36t ratchet.

[@markolivercrisostomo3421]

Also hm is the srp of this ws. Planning to buy 2nd hand. Tia

[@pcmjpcmj6854]

Thank You. Very informative. That size tyres did you put on the wheels?

[@klein-concept]

🤜🤛 I have put on 28mm GP5000 as tubeless.

[@htcnoise]

hi! awesome review, thanks for that. one question tho, can you please tell more about ratchet upgrade? what kit was used and etc. thanks a lot.

[@klein-concept]

I actually have a video coming up which covers the full upgrade process. Give me a couple more days and I hope that will answer all your questions. 🤜🤛

[@htcnoise]

@@klein-concept awesome! waiting then.

[@klein-concept]

@htcnoise the video is up now. If you have specific questions drop them in there 🤜🤛

[@blackris92]

Hi ! Nice video ... These wheels interest me a lot. I'm looking for wheels with V brakes and versatile. I rarely ride in the mountains but on hilly terrain during long distance rides (I'm a fresh PBP finisher ;) ). I hesitate between these wheels and the PRC 1400 35 mm. I'm not a very powerful runner...I ride around 25/26 km/h on my hilly plain rides with old aluminium Mavic ksyrium pro sl. Any advise ? Thanks !

[@klein-concept]

Thanks a lot. So far i can really recommend these wheels a lot. But if you dont ride super steep or long decents you might as well want to look into some carbon rims from a company called Elitewheels. They have a more budget line called Marvel and a lightweight line called Drive. I have both and like them a lot as well. And price wise they are between 600 Euro and 1200 Euro i think.

[@ytwatcher181]

Have you had a chance to compare brake performance of carbon wove allow wheels? Is it much worse on carbon wheels?

[@klein-concept]

Yes. The moment the surface gets a little bit wet it is WAY worse on carbon. On dry roads tho carbon is fine.

[@MrAnecro]

Mine came 2 days back i think i did a nice choice it looks good to me

[@klein-concept]

Wicked. Congrats. I think you will like them a lot. Let me know after your rides. 🤜🤛

[@zikaperic2133]

thanks for the review! I am thinking to buy them now, Can you say a little bit how they are serving now after 1 year?

[@klein-concept]

I have not been riding them so much as i mainly needed them for the Mallorca trip as otherwise i mostly ride flat. But i liked them a lot. Feel like quality wheels.

[@zikaperic2133]

@@klein-concept Just ordered a pair, lets see how they perform!

[@miguelangelramirez962]

Are these wheels set come in clincher or tubeless ?

[@klein-concept]

Tubeless clinchers 🤜🤛

[@ejima74]

I wanted to buy Hunt aero wheels but I am really interested in the DT Swiss Oxics because of their increased braking power. My current brakes don't work so well when it rains.

[@klein-concept]

@@ejima74 i was riding aero carbon wheels before. The moment they got wet there was almost no braking power. These DT Swiss ones are very powerful in every environment.

[@ejima74]

​@@klein-conceptAre the DT Swiss Oxic wheels fast? On a different note, dp you think I should book a professional bike fit for myself?

[@klein-concept]

​@ejima74 for me they have been fast. Of course not like a 50mm wheelset but amazing wheels. Regarding the bike fit. How comfortable do you feel on your bike? Do you have any pain during longer rides? Are you racing and need to squeeze out some remaining watts? If the answer is no. I would say you will be good without a bike fit.

[@ejima74]

​@@klein-conceptI am actually fine on my bike although I have had it for nine years, my only issue is whether I should be riding a 58 inch frame as opposed to my 61 inch frame, I am 186cm.

[@klein-concept]

@@ejima74 Lets put it that way. I m 186 and i m riding a size 56 with a 110mm stem. So i guess your 58 should be good.

[@carsten44]

Thanks for the video! I have considered these wheels for replacing my zero nite. One concern, if the rim is 18mm inner and 21.5mm outer width, it must be a pretty tiny construction for the load of the pads? Have you considered the 21mm hight rim version, its lighter. But again, less material to absorb the heat on a decent?

[@klein-concept]

To be honest i didnt really consider this when making the purchase. You re thinking in terms of stability or for heat distribution? I looked at the 21 version but visually preferred the slightly deeper ones.

[@carsten44]

@@klein-concept Thanks for your reply. Just thinking, if its 18mm btw the hooks, then the wall itself maybe is less than 1mm, so its a concern for stability also with regard to the stress from the tire...maybe not an issue. Agree! the 32 version is much more nice, it might have have better heat dissipation due to increased surface.

[@klein-concept]

@@carsten44 had a look at their website and if you look at the rim construction it more looks like the wall should be at least 2mm. Have a look here in the spec overview www.dtswiss.com/en/wheels/wheels-road/performance/pr-1400-dicut-oxic

[@celestialemissary4934]

I'm traveling to the Julian Alps in august. I have ICAN carbon wheels right now and Vision Team 30 on older bike. Front wheel is good but rear is not doing so well. I was thinking if it would be a good idea to use alloy in front and carbon in rear ? Funny how we both have those Vision wheels and my GF has the same DT Swiss as you do😅 😅

[@klein-concept]

If you are not traveling with tour gf i would try to be sneaky and borrow her s. Otherwise maybe go for the vision wheels. I had to alternate between front and rear braking here to keep things somehow cool so i personally would not go for carbon except you are a hardcore speed descender 🫣

[@celestialemissary4934]

@@klein-concept haha It was her idea so yeah I can't take her wheels. Since front wheel is doing most of the breaking I was thinking It would be good idea to swap them. But I need to see how much grams that would add :P

[@klein-concept]

@@celestialemissary4934 if its not adding 2kg i think its worth considering 😂😂😂

[@celestialemissary4934]

@@klein-concept just put them on scale. 300g difference. It will drive my GF crazy wheels that don't match

[@klein-concept]

@@celestialemissary4934 take the 300g hit and be safe and maybe plan in an extra bathroom brake along the way to offset the 300g 🫣

[@prejitsu3101]

I am thinking of these wheels for my Caad12 bike but am concerned about how they would go with a heavier rider? What size tyres are you running?

[@klein-concept]

Hey mate, i think they would look great on your Caad12. As far as i know they should be good up to 130kg of full system weight. I m running 28mm GP5000 tubeless on them.

[@prejitsu3101]

@@klein-concept Thanks for the reply. I was worried about potential flex rubbing the brake pads when out of the saddle. Have you experienced this when riding? Also, with the 28mm tyres, what do they measure when inflated on these rims?

[@klein-concept]

Did not notice any pad rubbing through flex when out of the saddle and i m running the pads pretty close. I dont have any proper tools here with me on vacation to measure the actual width. Will follow up on this once i am back in Berlin. 🤜🤛

[@ariffau]

Hi, what’s the internal and external width of these wheels?

[@klein-concept]

18mm inner and 21.5mm outer width 🤜🤛

[@blinzi69]

I just bought these - u rum em tubeless? whats your tire width?

[@klein-concept]

Yes i was running them tubeless at 28mm but for the next season i think i will switch to TPU.

[@jacobberthelsencarlsbk506]

What tire width do you have on in the video?

[@klein-concept]

Im on 28mm here and on most of my other wheels as well.

[@romansokolov6893]

I am wandering whether there is an EXP ratchet or older gen?

[@klein-concept]

It is the older gen ratchet. But thats the one that is super easy to service.

[@romansokolov6893]

@@klein-concept oh that's great, thanks a million!

[@FerreiraBikeMoto]

Hello. i am looking for buying the same wheelset, how about long term use..? Is the rim track still black? 👍

[@klein-concept]

I have been riding them in Mallorca for 2 weeks where i was braking a lot (see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHzOaHiEi8yHl7M ) and they still look black like on day 1. 🤜🤛

[@FerreiraBikeMoto]

@@klein-concept amazing!! 🙌🏻🙏🏻

[@klein-concept]

@@FerreiraBikeMoto if you need any more details let me know.

[@FerreiraBikeMoto]

@@klein-concept maybe it will be a good idea of a new video in a long term review of the wheelset, 6 month/ 1 year...

[@klein-concept]

@@FerreiraBikeMoto very good idea. Will do a follow up in 5 months 🤜🤛

[@zm4242]

Could you please review ER 1400 DICUT?

[@klein-concept]

You mean the disc version?

[@zm4242]

Endurance DT Swiss 1400 Alloys

[@zm4242]

@@klein-concept thank you 🙏🏻

[@klein-concept]

​@@zm4242will try to get my hands on a set of them.

[@veloaddict]

How is the squeak from the rear crossed spokes?

[@klein-concept]

I didnt hear any. But maybe i m not generating enough watts to trigger it 😂😂

[@veloaddict]

@@klein-concept do the overlapping spokes touch? or there is space between them?

[@klein-concept]

Let me get back to you on that on Friday when i m reunited with my bike. 🫶

[@klein-concept]

​@@veloaddicthad a look and they are touching.

[@veloaddict]

@@klein-concept be ready for squeaking

[@josipX]

nice wheels

[@klein-concept]

Thanks mate. Like them a lot as well 🤜🤛

[@pouria771]

Hey man, such an amazing and informative video. Must say there aren't that many reviews online about the wheels and I just saw your video since I had last looked up these wheels online and was great to see another unseen video haha :D I am also looking to upgrade/change my stock wheels and these look like a very decent pair. May I just ask how do the wheels feel with both climbing and accelerating? Do they feel snappy and stiff? And in general would you recommend them? anything to criticise about them? Thanks in advance and happy riding! :)

[@klein-concept]

Hey buddy, glad you liked it. To be honest i really love these wheels. They feel super snappy and accelerate well even on the flats. And with the ratchet upgrade they also sound dope as well. 🤜🤛

[@pouria771]

@@klein-concept thank you so much for the quick reply! :) The Ratchet upgrade definitely sounds worth it🫱🏼‍🫲🏻

[@klein-concept]

@@pouria771 always better to increase that hub sound. Replaces a bell 😂😂

[@notpablo8369]

speaking of alloy rims i wish H+Son rims are lightweight🤪

[@klein-concept]

😍

[@mortlow6688]

hed ardennes black nice wheels too but much to exotic/expensive in europe...

[@klein-concept]

Thanks for the tip. Didnt know them before. They look 😍

[@mortlow6688]

@@klein-concept i like the bigger internal width/more modern design...

[@klein-concept]

@@mortlow6688 me too 🫣

[@ruudboek]

Yeah, wider rims means more tire clearance in the height and you can use lower pressures making them more comfortable with improved rolling resistance and better stability in the corners

[@klein-concept]

@@ruudboek will have a look if there are maybe some on the German second hand market. 🤜🤛

[@GrzechuPraszka]

Got same wheels. The hub are pretty quiet 😢

[@klein-concept]

Even the ratchet upgrade didnt help. But somebody else commented here that this will change over time.

[@GrzechuPraszka]

@@klein-concept I really hope so. Do you know that sound will change because the wear of the ratchet itself or due to the disappearance of the grease inside hub?

[@klein-concept]

@@GrzechuPraszka i think because of the grease.