Why you should want to suffer | Paul Bloom

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A life without suffering is a life without meaning.
But this is a paradox. We spend most of our life trying to avoid things like pain, fear, and grief - yet, sometimes, we seek them out. We watch sad movies. We push our bodies to the limit with extreme exercise. Why?
There are two reasons: (1) There is a difference between chosen and unchosen suffering. (2) The good things in life only make sense if there are also bad things. Without the bad, the good loses meaning.
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About Paul Bloom:
Paul Bloom is the Brooks and Suzanne Ragen Professor of Psychology at Yale University. An internationally recognized expert on the psychology of child development, social reasoning, and morality, he has won numerous awards for his research, writing, and teaching. Bloom’s previous books include Just Babies: The Origins of Good and Evil and How Pleasure Works: The New Science of Why We Like What We Like, and he has written for Science, Nature, The New York Times, and The New Yorker.
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[@bigthink]

Do you think suffering gives people meaning?

[@wearealive796]

Yes definitely. Suffering is kind of awakening an enlightenment. I can go on and on expressing.

[@wearealive796]

the point that you mentioned ‘Real value of life is in chosen suffering’. To find meaning or purpose you don’t have to climb mountains or some kind of activity which takes a toll on you. I feel like we can just try to Understand the suffering of others or any problem world 🌎faces and do something little to make a net positive difference .

[@grantsmythe8625]

Yes. The Human Psyche is constructed in such a way that without consciously having to will it into being, Meaning will slowly emerge from suffering. The conscious mind will search for it and the deeper mind will provide.

[@lordhamlet1185]

Yes. Thinking about a holistically, there is only one way to have happiness. This is why everything good must have an antithesis. If every guy/ girl you meet is perfect, relationships would have no meaning, if every basket went in, there would be no NBA, you cannot have love without the ability to have hate. Even the Matrix touched on this. Brilliant movie. John 16:33

[@MeatMachine69]

People who have chronic illnesses would say they would give anything to get rid of their pain so I would think their ailment does not give them meaning and they resent it at all costs I do for sure

[@iqbalsanbal195]

"to live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in that suffering" - Frederick Nietzsche

[@emmanuelweinman9673]

Pain is inevitable. Suffering is a choice we have in our mind as a reaction to pain. Our identification with ourselves causes suffering from pain.

[@yoonahkang7384]

Thats a consolation phrase for poor

[@CosmicDrift420]

Freddy nachos

[@emmanuelweinman9673]

@@yoonahkang7384 paradoxically, the poor are usually happier than the rich. And people in the middle class are the happiest 😋

[@wearealive796]

So aptly said! Thanks

[@emmanuelweinman9673]

There is a Big difference between Pain and Suffering. Life is inevitably painful, but we do not need to suffer that pain. I’ve had 3 years of chronic pain so far, and my reaction to that pain matters more than the pain itself. We can either suffer our pain or accept our pain. The more I surrender to my pain and others’ pain, the more I appreciate Life. When I choose to suffer Pain, I hate life. I will always choose Love. Life is so beautiful it Hurts! Feel the Hertz!

[@nolannbinet904]

Thank you for this

[@AS-rk5vb]

Pain lives in the body, suffering lives in the mind. Sometimes we can mitigate pain but not in people with chronic pain. On the other hand, we can all choose not to suffer.

[@bigthink]

Great perspective, thank you for sharing and best of luck with everything!

[@MusiicRoolz]

I agree with this and explained the same difference to my friend a while back. suffering is steeping and writhing in the pain, it's specifically being in pain and wishing you weren't. ironically, accepting the pain and discomfort (especially as something you can't control), makes the whole thing less "'"painful""

[@r0conscious]

what's the reason of your chronic pain? I have ankylosing spondylitis since around 5 years

[@Cassim125]

There's a big difference between looking for meaning in challenges vs real misery

[@MrCmon113]

Yeah, I'm not suffering while working out even if the same sensations correlate with suffering in other situations.

[@littlehollow]

@@MrCmon113 technically we do physically suffer when working out. Because the act of building muscle is tearing them apart and then they heal bigger than before

[@jeffforsythe9514]

The difference between knowledge and wisdom is suffering. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@MrCmon113]

@@littlehollow Wrong and wrong. Physical suffering is nonsense. Suffering is a form of consciousness. Muscle damage is not the main driver of hypertrophy, if it drives hypertrophy at all, which might not be the case in the first place.

[@MrCmon113]

@@jeffforsythe9514 No. It's your lack of wisdom that causes you to suffer unnecessarily.

[@luigidisanpietro3720]

My Dad is so fulfilled, he finished School after: 1.) Hacking his way through the Jungle, 2.) Climbing on top of a 2000 meter hill, 3.) Fording a river fighting off crocs, 4.) Taking the Bus and, 5.) Finally reaching the classroom.

[@gilgameshgawande3509]

R u being sarcastic or R u serious?

[@luigidisanpietro3720]

@@gilgameshgawande3509 Just makin' a bit of fun.... The point is, hard work could get us somewhere....

[@jeffforsythe9514]

and meeting your mother

[@whale6024]

"Pain and suffering are inevitable for persons of broad awareness and depth of heart. The truly great are, in my view, always bound to feel a great sense of sadness during their time upon earth" - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

[@jeffforsythe9514]

This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

I understand suffering more than 99.9% of the people in the world do, sorry. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.

[@kiavaxxaskew]

​@@jeffforsythe9514 How do you generate bad karma in the heavenly realms, in the first place.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@kiavaxxaskew From my understanding, jealousy is one way but checkout Falun Dafa.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@harpermoore1215 People got lost and became fun seekers instead of seeking the Divine. Earth is a sewer compared to our birthplace Heaven. Falun Dafa can show us the Way back home.

[@Paul-eb2cl]

I agree with this, all growth happens either in adversity, or when reflecting on past adversity. It doesn't even have to be life changing monumental adversity, it can be a simple as being late for an appointment because you're stuck in traffic, or having to cancel a social engagement because you're ill. Each one of these instances is a chance to improve yourself, to stop yourself from freaking out, or blaming anything and everyone else, and to stop, remind yourself you are not going to die, and ask how do I improve this situation, and how will that in turn improve me. It's not easy, and it takes years of practice and effort, but at least you're trying to make yourself better, stronger and more resilient.

[@MrCmon113]

Lol, you "improve" yourself and then you die. What's that improvement for? What is improved in which ways? And why does that require a certain flavour of qualia to happen? I certainly see no evidence that adversity is required for any sort of improvement and more importantly I don't see why adversity necessarily leads to suffering. The ants in the grass where I like to lie are adverse to me and bite me, but I don't suffer because of it.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Temper is a powerful energy. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

By keeping our anger, we temper our soul and each time we gain compassion....falundafa

[@MrCmon113]

@@jeffforsythe9514 In your world raping and bullying others is kind, because suffering is good. Good us bad, up is down. Your entire worldview is pure wickedness, pure malice, pure sadism.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@MrCmon113Just because so many people are evil does not mean all of us have to be without compassion.

[@beverlyHillsAgent]

Suffering creates perseverance. Perseverance creates characters. Characters creates hope.

[@masterprattu]

And hope does not put us to shame.

[@heisawesome4329]

Amen!

[@jankowalski4447]

And hope creates suffering

[@heisawesome4329]

@@jankowalski4447 how?? please explain?

[@jankowalski4447]

@@heisawesome4329 bc it sounds wise and it closes the circle

[@itskeagan3004]

I experienced trauma as a young boy and it destroyed my happy, outgoing outlook on life until 32. I’m 34 now, recovered from my addiction and grateful that I finally “unfroze”. Those traumas kept me stuck in time, frozen and clinging to that pain and I continually hurt myself-to escape. It was a vicious cycle I slipped into and had no clue until I was so far gone it nearly took my life many times over. A Sarge who ran the drug rehabilitation program I was sentenced to in 2019 told me “you have to get comfortable with the uncomfortable” and it stuck. It’s actually part of my life’s transformation at this point, all the way down to taking cold showers to increase my tolerance to discomfort! If you had brain-changing trauma happen and are stuck in a pattern of extremes, I’d encourage you to discover where it’s coming from. Practice DBT, get to know yourself and what motivates you. You’re certainly not alone and it absolutely can be done.

[@carpo719]

Thanks for sharing. Excellent comment

[@ayesha8809]

It took you only 2 years to heal when you started taking it seriously? You only practice DBT or anything else as well?

[@FifahGee]

What is DBT?

[@ayesha8809]

@@FifahGee dialectical behavioral therapy

[@itskeagan3004]

@@FifahGee DBT-Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It helps me understand my emotions, approach and express them in a rational way that’s healthy. @Ayesha I can’t say what works for everyone. My comment may come off as I had this epiphany over two years. I spent from the age of 7 until 22 living with these traumas and my brain automatically stuffing them away. It led to extremely toxic behaviors and turmoil. I was a problem child to say the least. I became a father in 2009 when I was 21 and really started to have a hard time then because I felt an amazing love for my daughter! I started to question what love was and why I went through what I did. I quickly recognized how I was treating, loving and raising my child was not how I was treated. It motivated me to find out why and I started doing therapy. I started digging. I started a long knock-out battle of addiction starting with alcohol in 2009. It wasn’t until 2 years ago everything slowed down, I was able to start understanding why my trauma just wouldn’t let go. I read “The Body Keeps The Score” by Bessell Van Der Kolk and it sparked a fire under me. I really got back to basics. I started to do things like mild exercise, Whole Foods/less processed, I continue to learn and take knowledge from Dr’s in the field of mental health and trauma. I started to see a side taking over I knew was locked deep away, the exercise got easier and expanded into meditation (some think it’s weird), yoga. Just learning to be balanced and more centered and more at peace with myself. I know that’s a lot to read, I just hope my story can help just one person. Even help them get through today because I’ve been there. I know the profound effects trauma had on me and my mission is to help other adults but, kids especially. There’s so many kids today like I was, broken and need to be heard but have no clue how, I just want to help those people and kids.

[@hoptanglishalive4156]

We seek out novelty. If we're bored with happiness or success, our response to seemingly pursue suffering may actually be an escape from the suffering of boredom. It's variety that holds meaning.

[@anonanon7553]

So true! I always disagreed with some of Alan watts because he never said this!

[@mv3671]

@@anonanon7553 Terrence McKenna did. He was inspired by A Watts

[@MrCmon113]

Yes and novelty scales with attention and awareness. On LSD everything can be novel. If you're paying sufficient attention sitting in a quiet room is a firework of sensations, a fire in a circus.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Boredom is another word for pain, just being alive. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

WE all have become fun seekers instead of seeking the Divine, Falun Dafa

[@abewewew]

I was contemplating the Buddha’s teachings one day and I came to the realisation “the more one has experienced suffering, the more mature they are”. The Buddha realised that every thing in this world leads to suffering and therefore he attained the ultimate maturity of the mind.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

But he also had spiritual masters and Falun Dafa can give you that.

[@FactsCountdown]

Desires is the root cause of suffering. ~ Gautam Buddha Birth is the root cause of suffering. ~ Me Because without birth their can be no desire.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@FactsCountdown ???????????

[@neww0lf611]

So whose desire was the birth?. I know mom and dad... but it is beyond that ​@@FactsCountdown

[@djpurpledays1276]

Those jobs are meaningful because they’re about helping people. If suffering were the key to meaning, the child laborers of cobalt in our phones would be the most fulfilled people, or would be considered to have the best start in life, and we all know that’s wrong. It’s about running the race, proving you’re worthy of your goals, and transforming your life in the process.

[@bigthink]

Really interesting point. It would be interesting to look at jobs that had a lot of suffering but little benefit to others, like child labor, and jobs that benefited people a lot with little direct suffering, like philanthropy. Is meaning in proportion to the benefit to others? Or to the suffering you experience? Or perhaps there are other variables, like the meaning to you or your family. If you had to mine cobalt for your family to survive or get basic essentials, maybe it would feel meaningful even if you didn't care about the cobalt. If you worked in philanthropy but felt anyone could do your job and you didn't deserve the money to begin with, perhaps you wouldn't feel as much meaning as you'd expect. But only data could show us this in the aggregate.

[@chenath9582]

It is incorrect to say child laborers undergoing a lot of suffering to feed their family, have less meaningful lives than say a child born to a wealthy family, with much less responsibilities. There is no data to measure meaning. What we see, is pointless suffering, but they might be having a very meaningful life, after all, we get used to it. Like in the fantasy pointed out in the video, likewise, the suffering becomes an amount we can manage (boring). When they feed their families, they might be getting very meaningful experiences. The point is, the common view of a meaningful life is delusional.

[@MrCmon113]

I'm already superior to most people. Why will I be happy when I'm superior to some more of them?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@RialuCaos]

That's right. The more you benefit people around you and the more tangible that effect is, the more "meaningful" your employment. Because eventually you will die, but the effect you have on others will live on.

[@DEE-qu5mc]

The good things in life, only make sense relative to the bad things. How very true!

[@randomone4832]

It's not pain, or pure suffering, but the possibility of not succeeding that brings meaning to things we find meaningful and worth doing. No risk, no reward. No pain, no gain.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We are all here to seek the Divine but have totally lost are way and have chosen to play in the mud instead. Literally...........................falundafa

[@TheMysteriousGamer6]

Give me stronger battles.

[@frank327]

Paul Bloom is a superb communicator

[@SmithWhite-pf9kq]

I know I'm going to look back at this past year and think "how tf did I get through that?" But also see how it leads me to better things and make sense of the suffering endured in retrospect.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

You made it but now you need a great teacher......................falun dafa

[@RandomToast]

I've been living in perpetual unchosen suffering. More chosen suffering? No fking thanks

[@Kirby18]

The guy completely neglects mental health crises like most psychologists and philosophers. Stupid concepts made by him

[@ColdBaltBlue]

As someone who’s gone through much of the same, I’d rather challenge myself but by bit to find meaning than sit here like a zombie and wait to die. Life is a gift I never wanted, but since I’m alive, I’m going to make the most of it in a way that makes sense to me. There will be lazy days, there will be ups and downs, but life is never so simple.

[@StevenScienceNTech]

I do not agree to his claim : "we need pain and suffering to have rich and happy lives"

[@renegadesofanarchy289]

It’s a bullshit claim commonly used to rationalise suffering and to not help those who are miserable.

[@Will-xl7xp]

Suffering makes you stronger.

[@Inke7]

Dr. Bloom is outstanding as usual 🙏

[@jonathandemacedo158]

Fascinating. As someone who hates pain, I’ve always found this notion to be appealing but only at arms length. I do struggle with his assertion that “for something to be meaningful, it must involve suffering” as the delight of a serene beach with plenty of wine and a lovely sunset isn’t only meaningful to me because it was a struggle to get there. Not saying I’m right, just aching for a bit more nuance.

[@evanprice5470]

I think Paul might point to a monotonous 40 hour work week, or relationship troubles, or the 6 hour plane ride as the suffering that sets the stage for the scene you’re describing. It seems to me that there’s a constant hum of suffering in our lives that make the serene stand out. Happiness is peace.

[@TheAgentJesus]

Think of it this way: if the ONLY thing you could/would EVER experience were that same serene beach scene, what then would it be like?

[@joelstephenson8017]

Same. I hate pain, and don't feel like I need challange. I need connection. Idk though. Maybe the answer is in what he said "chosen suffering". Suffering caused because of passion rather than mountain suffering caused by fate.

[@98anj]

@@irrelevant2235 I mean he mentioned the difference between chosen and unchosen suffering, that was literally the entire point of the video. What you’re describing in the beginning of your comment is a result of unchosen suffering, and he isn’t really trying to address what unchosen suffering does to people, as that is what drives people to commit suicide and such. The point of this video is that consistently being in a state of pleasure without experiencing any kind of suffering at all will eventually become a form of suffering in itself, because you will be bored and unstimulated in your life. The feeling of happiness eventually becomes too familiar, too predictable and meaningless. Perhaps this desire for chosen suffering and choosing to do the “hard thing” is more enticing towards the younger generation, I think after a certain age you loose a lot of energy and people would rather just live a peaceful boring life as you’ve suggested and avoid pain if possible. But I suspect that if your life has been very easy from an early age, at some point you purposely seek out chosen suffering to spice up your life and live more meaningfully. Human beings need change, we are not stagnant beings

[@VeritableVagabond]

Highly recommend Buddhism

[@l1u2k3a4s5]

Beautiful way of conveying this message

[@solosamurai3365]

Thank you for this video.

[@nataliamartir2882]

Me, a chronic pain patient... "Well, fuck me, then." Everyone that knows me, Knows if this stopped, for me, I'd live my life with all the gusto I could. Shit. I STILL try. But being stuck in a wildly dreaming pain cage seems to be a particularly cruel kind of suffering. I would like to believe I have a better life ahead of me. I'm a disabled, 33 yr old.

[@malikbenmoumen5878]

The most subtil content I haven't watched for a while. I think it just allowed me to see life from another perspective. Thank you So much Professer!

[@mb8kr]

Subtle.

[@malikbenmoumen5878]

@@mb8kr I'm actually a bilingual. My 2nd language is French. So sometimes I accidentally use french words in English. Thank you for the notice!

[@mb8kr]

@@malikbenmoumen5878 Malik, thanks for your quick reply, I might be from the same country as you do, which is DZ😃 Malik is a very common name in Algeria. And we think more often french when we try to write in English, i have that problem too.

[@malikbenmoumen5878]

@@mb8kr Yeah you hitted the spot. I'm algerian. From tizi ouzou to be more precise. It's a pleasure to meet a compatriot in such a way.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Please forget that silly term chosen suffering. This planet was created by Heaven for us to suffer for our sins and then we are permitted to return home to Heaven. We all have become lost and now have become fun seekers, a huge mistake..........falundafa can show us the Way.

[@batuhand1317]

If you look at it from a physiological perspective, pathway is quite clear. Exercise, stress or maybe hurting yourself in a case of masochism stimulates cortisol release and some of that excess cortisol is turned into endorphin, a hormone which is responsible for some of the good feelings we experience. We all partly know about the sweet exhaustion after a workout, this is how it simply works.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Too complicated. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering such as exercise or hard work suppresses black karma but does not eliminate it. If one is seeking Divinity, Falun Dafa shows one how to eliminate the karma.

[@renegadesofanarchy289]

This is one of the problems with his argument, exercise is a mixed experience, creating both pleasure and pain, for those who like exercise, more pleasure than pain and for those who dislike exercise (hello!) more pain than pleasure.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Exercising or self torture supress karma but do not eliminate it. Falun Dafa eliminates karma. ​ We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Yes, pain can suppress karma which can bring a period of relief but the wonderful practice Falun Gong permanently removes karma. Leaving one's heart and mind clear and pure.

[@mahirg6206]

What beautiful content you guys have. Points awesomely put across, a very nice constructive flow of content and also the time length. I like the content cause it opens up untraveled roads to your mind with a guide to what the path is all about or say how could it be useful to each individual. Beautiful

[@jeffforsythe9514]

There is only one Great Way and it is Falun Dafa

[@CantripN]

While on the whole, I do agree, there's a lot of nuance here. Especially reg. work that has meaning - people are willing to suffer to have meaning, it's not that suffering inherently creates meaning. This is just exploitation of perceived value of meaning by employers paying less and treating people worse for it. This is rampant in Healthcare and such.

[@princeamu]

It’s hard watching this. I really want to be open and learn but I guess I’m not there. Choosing suffering sounds like a luxury when suffering is about the only thing you know, especially if it’s something you’re born into. All you want to do is get out because the emotional torture can be unbearable. So to say you want to choose this feels like wow, what is going on?!!

[@kelseychow5415]

I think it can be understood as, when you choose to find meaning in the given suffering, you empower and strengthen yourself. Also, chosen sufferings such as exercising or difficult job helps you to expand and desire more growth. The given sufferings such as the ones you are born into, can be turned into a journey of finding the meaning among them, which makes them useful to you, rather than causing you just pain

[@Dibbz_TV]

You ALWAYS have a choice. It may be in the choicest in front of you, or finding another, or having to wait for even just a chance of another - but it’s always possible… And YOU have to take it when it comes. That’s what I call faith. I’m going though a healing process from a similar state and background, and wish you the best.

[@marcellomassardo4509]

this channel is like a rich man telling the crowds that poverty is a value

[@Cassim125]

@@kelseychow5415 perhaps you would like to volunteer to be born as a poor villager suffering from low food supplies in Africa? Since you think suffering is a game to be played

[@princeamu]

Where is the dislike button when you need one. Lol.

[@nisham4477]

Thank you for the insight sir.

[@alexmacphail9590]

Love this!!

[@AwakenYourInnerBuddha]

Whenever we undergo any kind of suffering, our desire to end that suffering seems to immediately arise. This desire is nothing other than kindness and compassion, and what's amazing about our human nature.

[@MrCmon113]

One of the most liberating insights is that all desires and indeed all inner judgements originate from love - at least logically. Even sadism stems from a love for yourself in the future wishing yourself joy.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We learn compassion and how to be kind through suffering, Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Not exactly, by suffering we gain kindness and compassion, falun dafa

[@rares1524]

Suffering is immoral, the fact that suffering is one of the very effective ways to give us something that we want doesnt make it moral and its also not the best way to improve in general.

[@Seek-insight]

This is what I needed right now. Thank you.

[@vikopresto1749]

Love this channel man, thank you

[@gsilcoful]

Thank you.

[@jiayiwei209]

I think meaning can be derived from minimizing self or others' suffering, but not the other way around... By optimizing how we do things and balancing different aspects of life, we can achieve the same meaningful outcome while reducing the amount of suffering. I would agree that challenges make life more meaningful, but challenges do not have to involve suffering.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

​ We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No, we all need a wise teacher..................Falun Gong

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering can be suppressed by many different ways, sex, music, eating, drinking, drug abuse, sports, but can only be removed through suffering...................falundafa

[@shamusson]

Challenge is what he called chosen suffering, struggle. It is this struggle that must be maximized, for only through it does man achieve his potential.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Your conclusion is incorrect. Suffering cleans the soul of its black karma, it is the only way...........Falun Dafa

[@xensonar9652]

This just seems like ideas for those with a privilaged, safe-living existence, only ever having to deal with the shallow end of human suffering.

[@iLoveToBeM3]

I thought the same and slightly disagree with him saying that “the most meaningful sufferings are chosen sufferings…”

[@joserubalcava1811]

I think you’re right but I also think that’s the point at the same time. Like he says in the beginning it’s unchosen suffering that we have to avoid as much as possible (I.e. getting assaulted or getting cancer). It’s the chosen suffering that is in a way more shallow than the latter, but you also have to acknowledge that the suffering included in this type also mentions careers like doctors and military people. These people actually choose to see people die in front of them, or to have to face the idea that they can die themselves. So yea, chosen suffering is shallow when you compare working out for hours vs losing a loved one, but at the same time that’s the point. Because when you try to teach people to swim you can’t just throw them into the deep end, or even if you do it’s not ok to do so without safety devices right? That’s why it’s called a “sweet spot” because you have to give people enough room to grow without breaking down their spirit. And this is a phenomenon in psychology too; forgot what it’s called though.

[@ButtersCCookie]

I know right. Like some population control nonsense. It's awful and it makes me angry and powerless. Which l can't accept no matter how hard l try. I know, I'm the only one who says, sees, thinks this way. I've tried to get a lobotomy and electric shock therapy. I've wanted nothing more my entire life than to be oblivious and willfully Enslaved. I only ask that the lie make sense. It never has and never will.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@xensonar9652]

@@jeffforsythe9514 No it doesn't. Those who suffer abuse quite often go on to harm others. Hurt people hurt people. Where you got the idea that suffering is a kindness generator is a mystery to me.

[@kuna571]

Love Professor Bloom since his online psychology lectures. I strongly encourage you to watch it, they are fascinating and entertaining.

[@ummmmmmmmm200]

needed this

[@samuelkamotho4958]

This means am in the right path. I should just endure more and I will hit my milestones

[@jeffforsythe9514]

You also need a wise teacher.............Falun Gong

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No, you need a great teacher. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.

[@MrsDetroit622]

Life is inherently sufficiently difficult. We don't have to add difficulties for meaning; they are part and parcel of the experience itself.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Yes, of course, we all have mistaken this place to be fun, guess again, compared to Heaven, this place is a sewer. ​ We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

But wisdom is nice to have. To look inside, where all the wisdom lies, hurts and that is why people do anything to avoid it, the list is endless. Eating, cooking, sports, drinking, drugs, cellphones, diets, hobbies, shopping, are all ways of avoiding looking inside. You see, we call it boring, which it really is, boring into ourselves, no fun. But there is a wonderful practice that shows us how, Falun Gong.

[@notarussianbot9435]

Pretty much, suffering should not be a goal. Suffering without purpose is a meaningless life.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@wildmandala This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

This earth was created by Heaven for one reason, for us to suffer to redeem our sins and to return home to Heaven, nobody can escape that fact. Everyone has to go through a different degree of suffering..............falundafa

[@S4IF15]

This very thing was specifically written in the Quran. Alhamdulilah. This is amazing insight.

[@elpeluca7780]

Of course religious ppl like this. Religion is the worst poison to society

[@bboysaif8]

We all understand that we need to suffer in certain areas of life in order to achieve our dreams. Yet the human brain is powerful and conjures up many ways for us to avoid that, making it more complicated than it is.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We are not here to achieve our dreams, we are here to seek the Divine and to return home to heaven............Falun Dafa

[@maxwelldillon4805]

Title is just immediately problematic

[@erezsilis]

Thanks!

[@coolbreeze5683]

I read stories about people who have had near death experiences (NDE) and many say they learned in the afterlife that souls choose to come to earth and into a physical body in order to experience suffering, since it provides contrast. Without this contrast, it's like perpetual beauty that can't be truly appreciated.

[@charli_0]

Sufferings are a gift from God, learnt that at 17. Now I'm 51 kg from being 126 kg. Still no girlfriend though, but I am much more happier with myself now

[@MrCmon113]

You are sad, because you're happy? You wished you could be fat again and you're afraid of getting a girlfriend? Worry that your god has run out of suffering for you?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Yes, the American Weigh. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@elpeluca7780]

Wow that god of yours is reeeeeeaaaalllyyyyy a nice guy... Sheep

[@erykamarillya1619]

A thing that really disturbes me is that fatality of human to get bored with happiness. That's why I am researching the philosophy of Schopenhauer, to whom boredom is a necessary reflex of a life based on will. Why? Why are we not able to be happy without suffering?

[@theschoolofconsciousness]

Evilness always think suffering is good. Eventhough humans have the ability to end suffering by chosing not to procreate, we are just falling for the bribes nature imposed on us for keeping the suffering everlasting. Pure evilness enjoying its own shit.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Bore is a misnomer for pain. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@MrCmon113]

That's complete bullshit. You don't get "bored with happiness". I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. You get "bored" when you fail to pay attention and/or are stuck in a bad situation, ie you're suffering a lack of happiness. That is what boredom is. Suffering due to unskillfullness or adverse circumstances. You ARE able to be happy. If you are happy for one microsecond, you can be happy forever and everyone can be. It just requires an active effort on your part to help others and improve yourself.

[@erykamarillya1619]

@Taxtro you have somuch knowledge and certainties. You also can put all the diversity human experience under your one perspective! That's a blessing. Me, myself, since I don't have this blessing, I prefer to question, to search, to be critic of the "knowledge" before writing down confident assumptions. Also, if you failed to understand what I said, I can patiently explain to you. Unless you already have all the knowledge about human experience, of course.

[@MrCmon113]

@@erykamarillya1619 >you have somuch knowledge and certainties Rejecting suffering requires absolutely minimal knowledge and certainties. It indeed requires nothing but simple experience. > I prefer to question, to search You're not questioning anything, you're LARPing. You're LARPing as a philosopher while others are suffering from your arrogance. >Unless you already have all the knowledge about human experience Literally all of the experience necessary to debunk your pseudo-intellectual shite is to have been happy once and to have suffered once. Given that those states exist and are non-identical, the only question that remains is how to erase suffering and how to create happiness.

[@shivbhaktsanatani23]

I have suffered continous health problems this unchosen suffering has worsened life.

[@funnyhowlifegoes]

We can’t avoid suffering, but we can choose our suffering. For example, we will inevitably age and our body will deteriorate. But we can choose to suffer by working out, to make the unchosen suffering (aging) more bearable.

[@invox9490]

People who choose to suffer have a life that doesn't have enough suffering in it. I for one, pass.

[@Ashallmusica]

Well when you suffer there could be many choices and when you're brave enough to keep going with the suffering you'll learn some valuable lessons. Those lessons, somehow, make you a conqueror and you'll find a meaning and start building the life you're deserve of ( you'll not realise if it's happening )

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We are here to suffer but instead became fun seekers, the Divine should be our quest, Falun Dafa

[@melon9680]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Gonna slap this quote all over are you?

[@melon9680]

Sadly this isn't true for all, far from. I was born into a broken country, a country with a majority who hates the minority which I fall under. And they don't shy away from openly wanting to shit on us or kill us every chance they get. Because of past events. And as you grew up in this rotten eyesore of a nation I call home, facing untold danger and mass unemployment, while also being subject to affirmative action besides other laws that favor the ruling race, you may grow up, learn your leasons, but you will never have the life you want when it's not even in your own hands. God doesn't even get involved, the world doesn't get involved because people do not care about problems they don't own. This society we built for ourselves rewards the wicked and chews up the honest man. The problems we derive from our experiences living in this 1 dimensional world of ours is dull, and small. And I don't need to experience them all to learn them when they repeat so often through the lives of all others. In the end, is that wisdom? Or is that just worn out cli ches not worth remembering. It makes you wonder, what is true wisdom and what sort of real challenges should we face for us to grow beyond the same old same old. And no, I'm not some African man bitching about white people and slavery. If I could choose to live anywhere else besides this planet, I'd be on the next flight out. Some place where life isn't so repetitive.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We suffer because we sinned in Heaven and suffering removes the black karma from our souls. ​ We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

I understand suffering more than 99.9% of the people in the world do, sorry. Heaven created this plain of existence, Earth, as a last chance for us to suffer to take away our black karma to redeem our sins. Otherwise, when we all fell from Heaven, we would have gone directly to Hell. Chosen and unchosen suffering is fine is one chooses the correct path which is Falun Dafa. If not, Heaven will make us suffer, examples,........disease, destructive weather, death of our children, there is no escape from suffering. The more we suffer the less karma we retain and the kinder we become.

[@fgo9757]

You are great person

[@dondox1290]

Sound design is amazing! Well done!

[@unrealnews]

Wrong conclusion. The jobs that were identified as meaningful were deemed this because those working on the problems within their position could see measurable incremental progress on their projects.

[@machomanrichards1534]

Buddha simply said: 1. There is suffering in this world. 2. There are reasons for those suffering. 3. There's a way out of it.

[@neillynch_ecocidologist]

Didn't Buddha say that religion's a scam to exploit the poor, the desperate and the ignorant?

[@theschoolofconsciousness]

Evilness always think suffering is good. Eventhough humans have the ability to end suffering by chosing not to procreate, we are just falling for the bribes nature imposed on us for keeping the suffering everlasting. Pure evilness enjoying its own shit.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No, just learn from a great teacher. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

No, he would never have said that, He was quite aware of the need for suffering, it removes black karma. Falun Gong

[@machomanrichards1534]

@@jeffforsythe9514 Name the country where Buddha was born.

[@_t_f_]

It’s a little bit fluffy but I generally like how he’s thinking. He is a great speaker in my opinion.

[@adityavernekar2627]

Wonderfully explained 👏👏💯🏅

[@steveirwin3594]

I don't know, I was a much better, kinder, ambitious, and loving person before I got hit with seemingly-endless suffering. I certainly think it would be better for me and everyone around me to not experience this.

[@Heopful]

Tbh I'm giving up on all this pseudo-spiritual, do this and you'll achieve enlightenment bullshit. Maybe it's all overcomplicating it? Maybe the answer is just be happy

[@vajraman2067]

As The old Chinese adage says: "The diamond is not polished with friction, nor the person perfected without trials". In Chinese Chan Buddhist (Zen in Japan, Seon in Korea) teachings it is said that one must "Eat Bitter" to understand full enlightenment.

[@uniquenamegames9112]

A gem cannot be polished without friction, nor a man perfected without trials. Lucius Annaeus Seneca The old Chinese adage by Roman statesman, Seneca?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@laltkumar]

Excellent !

[@mafermusic5361]

What I value the most about this video is how it summarizes everything in the following example: Imagine that you can dream a lucid dream about anything you truly desire to come true, then the next day you can do the same, and so on. At some point it will get boring and meaningless right? Because it is plain and has no risk. It's just like a movie where everything is happy and perfect, nobody would want to see it. So just remember that eventough life can get pretty messy and hurt you, it's part of the plot, and the protagonist's development, and that will be you. You may start as someone that has been really really hurt but remember that you can decide wether to become batman or the joker and find meaning by being a superhero, you can save lives just by listening and being a company to someone who may want to end his own life, you never know who that might be. In that way instead of growing into a villain find meaning in the inevitable and necessary pain within this bittersweet and poignant life.

[@danishsamir8807]

Scary movies and eating chillies are a pleasure for me

[@renegadesofanarchy289]

This is part of the problem with Paul Bloom’s argument. Scary movies and spicy food are mixed experiences, creating both pleasure and pain. In your case the pleasure outweighs the pain, in my case it’s generally the other way around.

[@joao_ricchio]

One of the most meaningful videos I have watched in my life. Thank you.

[@wahnano]

You’re right 👍

[@MaxMustermann-vy7ur]

Thanks very informativ video and will help people understand the meaning of suffering to get better times

[@jeffforsythe9514]

To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@yfna1]

Fools make a virtue of suffering.

[@mk8829]

I definitely agree with what he says. However, there is one painful experience I endured, which was a degree I pursued with a 98% dropout rate. I managed to succeed after many years and got certified, and it was built up to me as being meaningful by other people in this field. I never found it meaningful. I still do it to this day, but only for the money. I'm trying to get out of it.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@warrenbradford2597 wrong address

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@warrenbradford2597 wrong address

[@warrenbradford2597]

@@jeffforsythe9514 What are you saying and what do you mean by wrong address?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@warrenbradford2597 You must have sent a comment to me responding to another persons comment, check your comments.

[@silviapassosjewelry]

So true, it hurts...

[@TheReddances]

When I was a freelance artist, I moved to other countries desperately trying to find more work. FROM those countries moved some that I met, in order to make it harder for themselves. "It's too easy to work here" is what they said! I am still shaking my head...Yep. "chosen" suffering..!

[@jeffforsythe9514]

There are plenty of fools in this world. There is a great teaching called Falun Dafa that can explain most of life's mysteries for you................Falun Dafa

[@Robinson8491]

Excellence is difficult as it is rare; otherwise everybody would be excellent ~ Benedict Spinoza

[@jeffforsythe9514]

The path to wisdom is easy to express, err and err and err again, but less and less and less. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@ApAcVideoWatcher]

Immense unchosen suffering causes us to appreciate life more when we're able to keep our head above the water, so to speak. It is only when you've lost an ability that you and everyone else takes for granted that perspective starts to shift. There's so many forms and we're often very ignorant as a society where "suffering" is concerned; be it physical, emotional, or a combination of the two. There's a startling difference of perception between people who have experienced extended suffering to the brink or beyond their limits and those who have barely scratched the surface of suffering. The perception of intensity, for example. It's also quite remarkable observing the different ways people respond to and assimilate that suffering. High levels of acute pain can be extraordinarily challenging, but it dissipates. High levels of on going chronic pain is an entirely different ballgame. Both require mental fortitude, but the later requires a person to get to know and become comfortable with themselves and their emotions if they want to come out the other side. It requires surrendering ego, humbling ourselves, and then learning when to ride the storm inside and learning when to grab the lightning, so-to-speak. I wish that we better prepared people for such events and had better support structures in place for when they occur. Society expects certain behaviors to believe a person is "suffering", and yet it is those expected behaviors that will destroy the person. It's true that it is in suffering that we learn the depths of compassion, I think. Yet, we're not well designed as a society to keep those who are suffering integrated. It's extremely important that people learn how to find joy in the smallest things and that they learn how malleable "self" can be. We have to learn to flow with the river unless we want to get crushed by it. Not everyone is lucky enough to innately have that mindset. I really wish there were mandatory classes on this throughout life, because mindset makes all the difference in the world and we lose too many bright lights needlessly that we wouldn't have. If they'd only been shown a way to cope that works for them. Ironically, in many cases we must seek suffering to have any hope of lessening suffering. That's pretty challenging when it's day in and day out for an unspecified eternity. It definitely teaches a person that "failure" is just another word for "you almost got it".

[@yashsrivastava5773]

hey I really like ur esssay lol jk...I have this vision like in entrepreneurdhip to have a structure like public for example a activity introduced where sometimes the person involved is booed and cheered just like a experiment in controlled settings to get a personal get immune and before hand teach them that remember few points in public speaking and then letting it expose onto them thro these activities. Its just example how more things can be introduced like u mentioned in form of chosen suffering to prepare us for unchosen ones. ;0

[@ApAcVideoWatcher]

@@yashsrivastava5773 Join the crowd. "Liking" my essays places you in the outspoken group. 🤪 If I'm understanding you correctly, I do think there are various forms of your idea which already occur in different fields. Of course, could just step onto a comedy stage and wait a few seconds, I guess. I imagine such an endeavor could be most beneficial, but I think there'd be a lot of safety considerations to take into account. Go for it and hope the boos aren't directed back at you. 😂 Though I guess that'd be a win, too. I wish you luck and fortitude. 🦋

[@saosaqii5807]

It can also make people hate life There will be those who resent, hate and grudge what has happened and either sought to change that or break apart Not everyone learns the same lesson from similar experiences.

[@MrCmon113]

You can imagine things being much worse right now. And indeed for many other entities they are.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@shaandilantha9083]

Love it, Great video...

[@einienj3281]

Yes, chosen suffering is needed to enjoy life..

[@keen2461]

No need to try to find suffering. If you are alive, you are suffering one way or the other, but we ALL suffer to some extend.

[@counterpoint9260]

yes, we dont need to really seek out suffering..

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

And for a very good reason................Falun Dafa

[@itsallgood7179]

The challenge is not in the suffering, the challenge for me is not getting what you worked hard for after suffering. How do you deal with having constant failures in your life especially when you can't afford to fail?

[@GuideGame1]

Accept failure is affordable, but only when you try again.

[@emmanuelweinman9673]

You learn, you grow, and eventually succeed. Pain and suffering are not the same. It’s your choice to suffer your pain or let your pain transform you.

[@princeamu]

I don’t know I’m trying to find the same answer to your question. Most people only have some damn quote but not real experience . it’s draining and the emotional toll is something most people don’t get. My only suggestion from experience is keep going. Find a way to keep going. The failure can hurt but you have to find a way to endure the pain emotionally and that’s hard. The only real failure I guess is stopping.

[@princeamu]

@@emmanuelweinman9673 that’s so easy to say that we choose pain. People go through real life shit and I don’t think the pain was their choice.

[@emmanuelweinman9673]

@@princeamu read my comment more carefully. I said it’s our choice to Suffer our pain. I never said we have a choice on receiving pain.

[@nguyetanhbui6243]

Living in pain is terrible, stressful, but because living in pain makes me appreciate every minorities beauty of things in life, from just a kindness of people, a small offer from others which I never expected to receive, I received. Living in pain had two sides but the key still is find somewhat balance that suffer, by enjoying it, find the pleasure, mission, and motivation from that pain. I am addicted to suffer, not the negative side but only choosing to suffer could help me improve.

[@satnamo]

We need pain and suffering in order to have a meaningful life ❤

[@chrisbvibn4983]

to create the reality you want depends on your willingness to experience it’s opposite

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Not exactly, your destiny has already been written before your birth. Ther are two ways to change it, take up an evil way or take up a spiritual practice.

[@Alritealritealrite]

Not that long ago I was wishing for things to be how they were before I felt like this. Being just okay feels like heaven when you're not. Then again being just okay is probably pretty good

[@chevychelios4672]

We can not escape it bro. We even WILL fleshly die. Mark 9:49-50 " For everyone will be salted with fire. " Salt is good; but if the salt becomes unsalty, with what will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another. " Romans 5:3-6 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

[@neprhicarrot9283]

Though physical suffering does build a more athletic body. I believe that emotional suffering is what makes the wisest people. Things like mistakes, tragedy, and isolation which drives a person to change for better or worse. By overcoming a problem you have no control of, you learn to be a better person.

[@carpo719]

Excellent advice

[@jeffforsythe9514]

To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@kir4n]

I've always thought about this: If people are born to experience life and perhaps, experience more joy but inevitably there will be the darker side, i.e., the sadness, loss, etc which are unchosen suffering but what if a person never overcomes chosen suffering? You mentioned how we feel good after overcoming a particular chosen suffering but what if a person never goes beyond it and is stuck there?

[@tnt01]

happens all the time. sometimes people see no way out, which leads to suicide.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

If we had no black karma we would be in Heaven, suffering removes that karma. Suffering teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

We learn much more when we lose, not when we win. Life is supposed to be a search for the Divine, Falun Dafa

[@jeffforsythe9514]

If we do not find a great spiritual practice nature will give us all the suffering that we deserve. But following a spiritual practice is at the top of the list, Falun Dafa.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Suffering is a gift from Heaven but instead we have all become fun seekers. We fell here from Heaven. Most things here have been created by Satan so we would be tempted to stay, eventually behaving badly and fall to His Domain. That is exactly why billions of nuns and monks over the centuries separated themselves from society so that they might return to Heaven, their birthplace.....................falundafa

[@magichobbiest3425]

"There's more love in suffering then there is in pleasure" Me

[@SmithWhite-pf9kq]

Pleasure doesn't teach much. Everything's to be gained from suffering

[@elpeluca7780]

That's idiotic. You're basically saying that there's more love in a guy beating her girlfriend than in two ppl enjoying a nice evening at the beach.

[@magichobbiest3425]

@@elpeluca7780 yes because if her friends and family cares and loves her then they'll be focused solely on helping her and caring for her to get her out of the relationship. If she wasn't in the abusive relationship I dont think they'd care as much. someone's injured or sick and someone's not,who are you going to care for more? Hope you'd care for the injured or sick person more. I'm not saying that having a pleasurable night together isn't filled with love. I'm saying we tend to care or love more when something bad is happening to someone than if it wasn't.

[@zenon3021]

u should give me all your money, that way I'll be happier and you can suffer more (which is pleasurable to you). It's a win-win. I accept cash/cheque/EMT

[@oswaldcobblepot502]

Tell that to Job.

[@zensvlognotapro]

Me the more that I'm in pain the more that I'm inspired to do the things I want and that's thing is have a better life , to thrive.

[@yassinesd1107]

Suffering is what make the results important

[@dianataylor991]

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[@jacobpetterson3873]

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[@jacobpetterson3873]

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[@billihawk368]

Im gonna go back to my country bc sufferins due to racism and lack of job opportunities due to racism. I think theres a limit to wanting to suffer senseless for a lifetime.

[@chenath9582]

yea, well racism is not exactly the suffering he was talking about.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Do not seek suffering, seek the Divine. To suffer teaches us to be kind. Wisdom springs from suffering. We have formed the wrong conclusions and have become shallow fun seekers, looking to be entertained constantly, anything but just being here............................Falun Dafa

[@ericsierra-franco7802]

It's only senseless if you perceive it that way. Others find meaning in suffering.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

@@ericsierra-franco7802 No amount of suffering goes unrewarded.

[@knownaskai]

Living life the hard way, makes living life easier

[@ViceZone]

Did this guy really say avoid suffering that you CANNOT choose to avoid? Wow, well done.

[@jasonchiu272]

I'm sure long term boredom is worse than both suffering and pleasure because while suffering and pleasure can change you either in a positive or negative way, boredom gives you nothing, and that's the worst thing you can get.

[@jeffforsythe9514]

What we call boredom is actually suffering because the mind begins to look inside. And attaining wisdom hurts, always...............Falun Dafa

[@1EQUALS-INFINITY]

There are limits to suffering. Also eating spicy food and exercising I do not think of them as suffering. They both bring me joy and peace.

[@urielfranciscofloreslozano5149]

I wish there was a version of this video in Spanish, my family doesn’t speak English but really need to see this

[@polepino]

the very base meaning of suffering is "to experience." it is often linked with negative emotions/feelings but suffering is experiencing.

[@ill2daMAX]

I would change the word suffering to challenging.

[@iLoveToBeM3]

🙌🏼

[@counterpoint9260]

so an ideal life is where you have regular periods of challenge followed by fleeting moments of happiness when you keep crossing those hurdles, right?

[@jeffforsythe9514]

Wrong. We are all here to seek the Divine.....falun dafa

[@suryastiwari6233]

Thanks for dropping a new video every another day ...... 👍

[@plattburger1]

Beautiful

[@ron3252]

Suffering is not the source of meaning nor happinnes. We don't need pain nor suffering to feel happy. Suffering would be meaningful only if we have already succeeded. Namely, Once Sucsses Is Achived the suffering is RETROSPECRIVLY classified as meaningful. On The Contrary, if the suffering has not yielded an achievement, then only bare Suffering is all that is left - meaningles Suffering. Anyways, the meaning (or meaninglessness) is attached retrospectively and only if an achievement was reached (or not).

[@Thatoneguy-mh4bx]

But pure achievement cannot exist without suffering. An achievement, by definition, requires that you accomplish, complete, or gain something that you lacked before. When you lack the thing you desire, you suffer, so that gives you the motivation to act to change your condition. And when you finally achieve it, you feel happy for having overcome the odds. Pure pleasure and happiness might feel really good at first, but it’s gets extremely dull and boring after a while. It stops being a big deal, since you can have it any time, in any way you want.

[@ralpharances]

@@Thatoneguy-mh4bx But it does not automatically mean when there is this so-called "success" the people who have attained it have suffered. There are many factors playing. Some people achieved a certain award, position, or power without having to suffer but have achieved it through dishonesty, nepotism, or sheer dumb luck.

[@renegadesofanarchy289]

@@Thatoneguy-mh4bx”pure pleasure” doesn’t get boring, what happens is that you get less and less pleasure out of the thing that you think is creating that pleasure (e.g music, food, sex etc) when in actuality, your brain is what creates pleasure and it stops producing it to get you to do something else. Evolution created the hedonic treadmill as an anti wireheading system to stop you getting stuck and a loop and then killed.