Why Young Master Roshi has a BIG PROBLEM

[@DynastyZwarrior90]

I like how the Crane Hermit modeled his style after King Piccolo, copying his moves like the finger beam (Dodonpa), the flying technique and training his pupils to become assassins. Every major warrior until the Saiyan Saga followed either King Piccolo's (Crane Hermit, Tao, Tien, Chiaotzu, Piccolo Jr) or Mutaito's (Roshi, Son Gohan, Gyumao, Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, Chi Chi) style. Gohan was the first to combine both styles.

[@strengthcolossal5538]

Best of Two Worlds

[@windows98alpha35]

OG db talks keep me invested far more then DBS talks. I despise most videos on modern DB because essentially it’s the exact same topic just with barely different spins on them. With OG DB It kinda forces you to be creative with the video topic. Plus bringing you back to the days when DB was actually good is always a surreal experience. We need more OG DB vids

[@SaiyanScholar]

I might do an OG Playlist!

[@SaiyanScholar]

@@TheMysticRabbit0wnzu Who are you even talking to?

[@aestroelmaestro4114]

@@TheMysticRabbit0wnzu I meeeean, come on, let’s not call each other old at least, alright? As a person who only got recently into DB/DBZ/DBS and watched/read it fully only a week ago, I can definitely say that… DBS feels odd. Introduction of Beerus feels like ultimate out of air MacGuffin™️ , which could have been handled in a better way, instead of “oh, he was sleeping entire time. Oh and by the way, he ordered Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta. That’s totally not a very extended аss-pull ™️ which we only bring up just now, so we can introduce gods of destruction; Super Sayian Blue (I might be typing out transformations names wrong, my apologies in advance) is just… why though? It just nullifies concept of Super Sayian God and more of turns into transformation glorification parade. While earlier in DBZ we have seen actual improvements and struggles of transformations (from SS1 to SS2, from SS2 to SS2 with the bulky form(?) (I might be naming this wrong) with it’s own minuses and pluses, from SS2 to SS3, which has very high stamina consumption)… I like it as well, that the next step is SS3 into SS God, since it reveals more of new era of “god-ki”, but like… what SS Blue introduces? Just plain power up and literally almost the same concept as SS1…? Was there any improvements or struggles- No. There wasn’t any and it’s just a power creep аss-pull, nullifying SS God (I do like the concept of Vegeta developing the SS Blue Evolved transformation for himself though. It represents his character more and his own ways of improvement); Black Freeza… Do you remember how I was talking about MacGuffin out of thin air? I think this will be self-explanatory; Oooooh my lord, the Tournament of Power arc… Where do I start? It’s a snooze-fest with so much dragging out of happening. And the writing due to dragging out of basically everything became more of dull, besides main event ™️ of Goku getting Ultra Instinct. Even then… dude, no; Gohan’s Beast form… Am I feeling false feeling of dejavu or are we actually relying on the nostalgia effect? That’s literally Gohan’s SS2 up to the tie. DBS for me (and probably for some others, but I am not implying this fully, because I am not speaking for others behalf. You do you, I agree with your opinion and I respect it fully if you have a different one) feels just… dull. A dull transformation mess. It doesn’t rely on techniques, but more of relies on who’s power is greater. However, I do have a lot of love towards Moro and Granola arcs, due to how even if overpowered/overwhelmed, it doesn’t rely on any аss-pulls. It simply relies on characters techniques and on how they utilize them, even if the battle feels like it’s hopeless… Well, before our MacGuffin Mr. Black Freeza came into the scene into the Granola arc, to say the least.

[@madhursaxena2645]

​@@aestroelmaestro4114 agree

[@ShockToYoSystem]

​@@aestroelmaestro4114 factsss

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Roshi and Shen staying as friends could mean 1 of two things. They either open a school together and combine their own teachings, or stay as more friendly rivals with their own school. The former could be more interesting. Roshi and Shen would likely have a total monopoly on the Martial Arts world with tons of people wanting to join their school. Goku, Krillin and Yamcha would have learned to fly a lot sooner if they did. I think Tien and Chiaotzu would join and all five of them would train together more often. This would make them all a lot stronger. Tien would still be competitive with Goku as self improvement seems to be ingrained in his character. The biggest change if they remained friends would probably be Tao who would be growing up under a good Shen instead of the asshole from the original series. He wouldn't become an enemy who ultimately kills Bora, forcing Goku to go on a journey to gather all the Dragon Balls, which means, he wouldn't go to Baba's to find the last one, wouldn't destroy the Red Ribbon base to find the remaining ones, so Gero wouldn't want revenge by creating the Androids.

[@quietguyjosh4643]

Butterfly effect Change one thing in the past Change everything in the future

[@warangelthedemonslayer3231]

OG Dragon Ball is amazing! New school fans will understand just how great the original series that started it all really is!

[@mattymoyouknow202]

I’m one of those weirdos that only enjoys OG DB. Didn’t care for DBZ or GT. And definitely didn’t like what I’ve seen of DBS.

[@v01d_r34l1ty]

@@mattymoyouknow202 I'm one of the newcomers. Watched all of DB, Z (skipped the garlic jr saga tho), Super (including the movies), and GT. Started last semester so I basically binged them b2b. Don't like to compare them, they all seem intended for different audiences, except GT to Z which felt like an extension with great villains and transformations but HORRIBLE filler.

[@Jago-Shogun]

I love that the sole reason Roshi refuses to fly, even though he can if he tried to learn, is because it's a crane-school technique lmfao. He really fits the turtle motif.

[@jaydaytoday3548]

I always found the period of King piccolo reign until his imprisonment to be fascinating period. It reminds me of the future trunks timeline.

[@andreatottress4772]

Roshi/Shen would’ve had a Professor X/Magneto type friendship in my opinion

[@a.jthomas6132]

If we have a Master Roshi story in the Dragon Ball Super movie, it would be fun to dive deeper into the dynamics between Roshi and Shen in their time as pupils of Master Mutaito, their hopeless crush on Fanfan and how King Piccolo’s evil reign brought upon the world created the rift between the two friends.

[@dreadrath]

"Oh, nothing about Super Mega Ultra Cosmic Saiyan 12 and how to perfect the form? Kay, Imma head out."

[@matchesmalone3646]

Roshi uses his masters hairstyle as Jackie Chun

[@chesterdamolester6990]

Yamcha looks like he could be descended from Roshi

[@degenerate-otaku6634]

I really wasn't expecting a video like this! I really love the dynamic that OG dragonball had with Roshi and the Crane Hermit. Rewatching Dragonball as a teenager recently made me really appreciate these characters and arcs more. Idk why I just really like Tao, Shen and the Crane School stuff, and ofc it's impact on Tien (our beloved role model) and Chiaotzu. I made fanart of Young Shen and Roshi and started a fanfiction about how they met and their training (haven't gotten far, and I doubt I'll continue since not a lot of people really care about Shen and Roshi's past)

[@theex-boxgamer355]

Well the biggest issue I have with the Roshi flashbacks is the chronological narrative. Isn't Roshi supposed to be hundreds of years old, or at the very least immortal, like his sister Fortune-Teller Baba? So how in the heck would Shen have been alive while Roshi appeared similarly youthful? Either they are both(and evidently Tao and Grandpa Gohan, for that matter) centuries old, OR for some unknown(and counter-intuitive) reason, the immortal Muten Roshi is apparently aging at a faster rate than any of his peers. Just seems odd imo. RIP Tori-bot!

[@CthulhuianBunny]

I don’t see what the issue is. Them being both being around three centuries old doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibility in Dragon Ball. Plus it’s not like Crane looks as young as Tao (who’s supposed to be his younger brother). He’s got clear wrinkles on his face and grey hair, albeit, a darker grey than Roshi’s. If anything Tao’s the weird one for looking like he’s in his 40’s or so, but would have to be near the same age as the two hermits.

[@Bradthechad-ej1nk]

Almost finish db and boy has it found a way to excite me at almost every point in the show

[@lucaslopes1260]

The problem with young Roshi is he looks like Yamcha in the anime, but looks like Tien in the manga.

[@StEvUgnIn]

Tien calling his master Mercenary, and he is surprised he was a contract killer.

[@stevemitchell4663]

no tricks no fancy shows, just old fashion martial arts..

[@nocultist7050]

I like how you recognize "dirty magazines" as one of his virtues.

[@BrianAwesome]

@Saiyan Scholar, ppPPLEASEE do a full --- What If Shen and Roshi stayed friends !!!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@devilshooter126m8]

OG DB will ALWAYS be the BEST DB

[@StEvUgnIn]

What did Mutaito teach, and what was the name of his school?

[@tray.dboitv1348]

What video game is this???

[@eranshachar9954]

I think they were meant to be business rivals. If they stayed friends it would have been a healthy rivalry not animosity. Especially after Shen finding out that M. Mutaito sacrificed himself, if he would have told Roshi "I need you because otherwise the death of our master can make me crazy." Roshi would have never turned his back on Shen.

[@Donthedom]

Young roshi looks like yamcha dessert bandit

[@techramancer]

Shen and Roshi staying friends and rivals would push eachother to be stronger and better, leading to a stronger group in the Z Fighters, possibly even being capable of handling Raditz down the line without losing Goku. However, I think that would end in a drawback as Goku would no longer have a reason to visit King Kai, and we'd have a loss at the end of the Saiyan saga. Nappa would be handled but Vegeta would win out. That's my thoughts.

[@ShockToYoSystem]

We need vids on all Og characters like devilman and more⚡️⚡️

[@TohGahr]

did shen drink from the immortality water too?

[@timothyfrasier8218]

There is such thing as friendly rivalries so I can see him still making the crane school and master roshi making the Turtles School Maybe his brother no longer becomes a mercenary but instead becomes a teacher of the army of the world and technically Tien on lost a few of his abilities when he learned with the crane School would actually be a lot stronger than he was in Cannon. So the school rivalry could still happen the only difference is that Tien is stronger in this version and will permanently stay stronger than his Canon counterpart.

[@Vulcanfaux]

I'll be honest, I was introduced to this series with DBZ with vegeta. And I liked it, then I went back and watched dragon ball and I loved dragon ball way more. And then when I went back to dbz, I felt like it was just missing something. I mean sure vegeta and piccolo are my favorite characters in the series. But two great characters isn't enough to make me like dbz and dbs more than og dragon ball.

[@Roshuwah]

It's funny you made this video, I'd been thinking about it recently how old is master Roshi actually. Because I recall him being said to be over 300 years old, but if that's the case did Shen also drink the immorality drink? And how could he have Tao as his brother who's nowhere near as old? But maybe it was some dub filler and he wasn't that old in canon

[@ANTICAPITALIST_]

Wich game is that?

[@BaconMinion]

The old Turtle Hermit is an inherently good person, even with his perversion and the like. I honestly believe that if he and Shen remained friends, he may have been able to influence him and keep him from becoming what he was. Or maybe not. After all, just as there is inherent goodness in DB, there is inherent evil as well. Even with a different upbringing, I don't think Frieza would ever be a good, upstanding and moral person. But then again, we have Vegeta, who was evil but changed his ways. So maybe there would be hope for a Shen who wasn't an evil person had the Turtle Hermit remained his friend.

[@axlefoley6330]

Where did the footage come from? I don’t remember anymore dlc coming out for kakarot. Also I think Tien has been done dirty. In DB he was a powerful character but as DBZ went on he became just another human. He clearly isn’t just another human, he can sprout another set or arms and has a third eye for crying out loud.

[@AbdullahIbnAbdullah-pk1kf]

Well shin can still open his own school regardless of rather roshi and he remains friends.

[@MightyGreenLantern17]

I think they would have had a friendly rivalry, similar to the kais in the other world tournament

[@supersaiyangodshallot8742]

There are a few problems for Master Roshi. 1, I understand Roshi can destroyed a small mountain, but a moon which is much bigger and much further than a small mountain is beyond ridiculous during the original DB series. 2, how can Master Roshi during the Tournament of Power is able to fight some of the best fighters in the 12 universes when he barely handle a group of the Frieza Force during the Resurrection F which took one year before the Tournament of Power?

[@Q_Reeves]

This is assuming everyone in the Tournament of Power is near Goku and Vegeta’s level. Which we saw was clearly not the case for many of them.

[@watermelongaming3698]

@@Q_Reeves That, and it was against the rules to actually kill. I assume that means a lot of contestants had to hold back, right? I mean, I haven't gotten to that part yet but I know *some* things about it.

[@procow2274]

If your looking for a in lore reason you really got to do a lot of mental gymnastics for anything in super to make sense. The actual reason is they wanted to tell certain stories regardless of how much or how little sense it made.

[@ACertainMan]

The story reason is that Roshi trained off screen enough to entertain Base Goku.

[@FlyingwithFire]

@@watermelongaming3698 there is a no killing rule,

[@patg108]

only time Master Roshi is truely evil is during the Garlic Jr saga. Thing about it is if one becomes young the other has to as well in order to tell the story from Dragonball onwards. Otherwise they're just rivals. Shen is barely seen past Dragon Ball though. And if they stayed together the main thing is Roshi learns to fly and gets better ki stamina.

[@hanksbest-frend2491]

This video was a breath of fresh air for me. To tell the truth I stopped reading dbs because the transformations were getting out of hand

[@mattpennell1231]

I re watched dragon Ball and wrote notes...... I wish there was more content on it

[@CenobitePriest]

I love OG Dragon Ball but one thing still has me confused. I was watching the Subbed version on Hulu and Mai said she was 17. Then after OG Dragon Ball, especially in Super she is a child.

[@5nesta]

The Pilaf gang wished for their youth back with the dragon balls off screen. The joke is that they ended up much younger than they intended.

[@Georgewilliams-gs6wl]

Well if they were both good but you kept that they each made a school I could see The crane hermit school teaching techniques that are a little more underhanded like the solar flare for people who aren't that physical strong and Roshis school being more about for people who like to fight head on.

[@codystartin999.]

Without dragon ball we wouldn't be where we are now.

[@rockk9753]

Tsuru and Roshi weren't really friends they were just disciples of Mutaito

[@maridiancrest243]

You forgot that Goku and Krillin would learn the DonDon ray and Kikoho. Not sure what battles it would help them with. But if the Dondon ray really is superior to the Kamehameha in power than it would change a lot of beam struggles

[@procow2274]

Dondon ray isn't really that strong but Tri beam definitely is

[@maridiancrest243]

@@procow2274 according to master roshi its stronger than Kamehameha and its his signature move. The users of dondon ray are just weak

[@DjTeeray]

Wait but what was the problem with young roshi? I’m confused

[@SaiyanScholar]

If he remained Friends there might not be a Goku or Tien trained like they were.

[@DjTeeray]

Right so maybe I’m just dumb but I would have thought titling the video “the big problem with master shen being a good guy” or “the big problem with roshi befriending master shen”. I just don’t understand the title is all.

[@SaiyanScholar]

How many books have you read with short titles? How many films have you watched where the title is one word and not a full sentence? It's just a title. The content in is the video, not the title.

[@DjTeeray]

@@SaiyanScholar sure I understand that the content is in the video, but the title is apart of what makes the people click the video, is it not? I clicked thinking that we were going to see what the problem with roshi was and it ended up being about something completely different, doesn’t matter if the title is short or long, at least make it make sense for the video, just like many books have short or long titles that make sense. I know at the end of the day it isn’t that serious but I’m not wrong for pointing it out 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@SaiyanScholar]

Basically, KZbin is all about getting someone to click a video. If you keep some mystery and secret, people are more inclined to click the video to find out further information. It's just an algorithm game.

[@Miraihi]

The problem with young master Roshi is that his name literally means "old master".老師

[@dudepool7530]

Im the total opposite of the kind of fan described at the beginning of this video. Being an old DragonBall fan, I dont really like what its evolved into. I remember the days before all these transformations, and power levels. It was more interesting back then. That, and where else can you see a god damned role model being showcased?

[@metal87power]

they would become stronger training together

[@maridiancrest243]

Also Goku and Krillin would learn Dondon ray. Dondon ray is better than Kamehameha according to master roshi. Meaning that goku might have taken out Piccolo with it or even matched Vegetas Galick gun without Kaioken.

[@patg108]

@@maridiancrest243 When is that said?

[@maridiancrest243]

@@patg108 Master Roshi said it way bacm in dragon ball. I think some attacks simply have higher multipliers like special besm canon and galick gun but Goku always uses Kamehameha which is weaker for some reason

[@patg108]

@@maridiancrest243 yeah but WHEN and what clip? Or was it in manga? I don't recall that moment. I always thought of the Dodon Ray as a more crude version of Frieza's death beam

[@TheUnknownScholar777]

2 Perverted masters sounds great 🤣🤣🤣. Personally i think they would have still drifted apart myself, but would have stayed in contact. and instead of how Shen was basically a psycho they both just have two different martial arts and keep pushing each other to get stronger. Like dragon style, snake style. Different branches of martial arts. Maybe have competitions between the two schools and more members under each of them. I think it would make everyone stronger in OG dragonball. I Enjoyed the video.

[@SaiyanScholar]

I think Kame House would become something else if there were 2 naughty ol' masters haha! Thanks for your topic! This was SUPER fun to discuss. I love the OG stuff!

[@boof3rt]

young roshi had to be the mf rizzler

[@sepp4815]

biggest problem he is way to op in super, the metal cooler movie did him right

[@theonionfatty4420]

Oi let's not glaze tien too hard "beating goku" he calls goku stronger and tries to give him his prize money because of the truck that caused goku to hit the ground

[@Charles36.]

Dragonball is awesome and really worth a watch if you have any love for Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball super

[@andregardiner3071]

😂 tien beat goku? I need to read that chapter over thought they both fell out the air and a car hit Goku down first

[@SaiyanScholar]

Yup! Tien won by elimination! Champion of the 22nd Budokai!

[@andregardiner3071]

@@SaiyanScholar I’m just trolling Scholar uk I love the channel but srsly i didn’t kno he eliminated Goku I thought the car did thx for the knowledge

[@5nesta]

​@@andregardiner3071 You're both right.

[@andregardiner3071]

@@5nesta I kno brother just was trollinh

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

I love og dragon ball immensely, but this video just doesn't have much substance... Partially because Crane Hermit just doesn't have much to go off. But nevertheless the fillers (like repeating about Tien) are evident and they don't save the video either... Have a good day.

[@black2785]

Dragging deez 🥜

[@YChromosome99]

If I were Roshi,I'd wish for my youthful appearance back via DragonBalls. Ladies are more attracted to young studs than grandpas lol. He'd be in PIE heaven!!

[@matheusdemello2323]

What if Nekomajin Z was canon? What if the Namekian stayed on Earth after Frieza Saga? What if Frost was good? What if Goku & Chi-Chi swap race?

[@maximillianoorosco-randhaw9336]

First

[@maylabrown4584]

We’re already getting a garbage Series in Daiman so why not?

[@Spoopiify]

judging a series before its out 😂

[@maylabrown4584]

@@Spoopiify Its existence of this nonsense means the development of Super is going to take longer than it would before, regardless of what it entails its garbage cause of that fact. 99% of the Fanbase wants Super to continue fanboy.

[@jebbryant6522]

Acting like we can get any more garbage than super has already been

[@maylabrown4584]

@@jebbryant6522 Super despite its faults was extremely popular when it aired and there is a bunch of content to adapt that’s in the Manga. A kiddy show with nothing is not better than the *official adaption* of the whole thing fanboy.

[@myduckisonqauck7227]

​@@maylabrown4584dragon ball super is arguably a kid show too tbh

[@nexusgaminguniverse3722]

No matter how much videos you make,how many times you made up the information... None will be remembered and will be forgotten.. Because none of it are facts from the original sources. And we all knew... The owners of the Dragon Ball itself never thought and never care about those details you claimed... So, stop wasting your time and do something better for your life. Get a job.