Why Your Art Teacher Hates your Anime Art

[@MattiasPilhede]

Before this video I had 100 subscribers and around 50-100 views per video, didn't expect this to blow up so much. Had I known I would've put more effort into the second half of the video. Nonetheless, thank you everyone for the great response!

[@madcat789]

I'm gonna follow you mate. You know what you're saying.

[@RealMisterDoge]

Congrats my dude Keep up the good work

[@metasprite5648]

+Drawing with Mattias yea i think titles with the word "anime" get views. and good video

[@linklgas1691]

My response has no ill intentions, it was mainly just to piss people off... hehe.

[@SauceStache]

And today you are KZbin's creator on the rise! Congrats on your very fast success!! Keep up the good work and just doing what you do. Your channel is going to continue to grow huge!

[@moreaugriffins2494]

I had an art teacher in yr 7 who told me "you're good at anime. Drawing realistically will help you with your drawing. Why don't you improve with drawing realistically to help you?" I loved her. She was so nice and supporting.

[@LilChuunosuke]

That's what every teacher should tell their students who are holding themselves back.

[@fiftyclown]

British art teachers are usually really good for this

[@Sasu123456789x1]

Awesome

[@silvervixen007]

My art teacher said to me when I drew a portrait:" That's not you, that's how you want to look like! Your nose must be bigger, your eyes smaller and your face bigger." And I didn't even try to draw anime

[@cosmicturban2797]

silvervixen007 Sounds like your art teacher thinks you have a goofy face.

[@hare4199]

If your anime art looks anything like in the thumbnail then I fully understand why your art teacher hates it.

[@teaartist6455]

That is from what can be described as the worst "how to draw anime" book in existence.

[@scenfau]

nope, that is the accurate representation as how shit it is. pass me an anime picture that you think I'd like

[@hare4199]

Even if you hate it you have to admit they chose a _really_ particularly bad picture. For example I don't like R&B but I'm not about to point at Ice JJ Fish and say this is as good as it gets.

[@teaartist6455]

yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Dread-453236791 yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Knite-New-Begining-693336012 yuumei.deviantart.com/art/Dreams-Of-Flight-speedpaint-tutorial-linked-581260260

[@scenfau]

I only like the first one because that has actual reality in it. Those other two ones are generic and boring in design and composition.

[@mxsdrago]

So basically, stop drawing anime for a bit, learn how to do things realistically, then stylize and exaggerate as you please.

[@Konpekikaminari]

bingo

[@ethan2163]

And it would improve your anime art style greatly.

[@vibing6530]

Yup it would improve your anime

[@Messier__]

Bango

[@potatoraider7320]

You do make a good point. I did start with anime and i started abandonning it and start with realistic drawing first.

[@overcookedwater1947]

*Draws naked muscular fruits*

[@DerpDerp3001]

Uhh...

[@bluesillybeard]

what even...?

[@kopiiseverything994]

Underrate

[@-Teague-]

YES

[@bagyongpablo761]

I laughed way harder than I should have.

[@KichiMiangra]

I think one of the most eye opening quotes I've ever heard from another artist can perfectly sum up part of this video: "You must know the rules before you can break them"

[@MissMatched]

KichiMiangra PERFECT

[@debesys6306]

That is actually a really good quote to use.

[@Augestein]

I know, I really loved this video.

[@pandacat2394]

KichiMiangra who said that? I know that it's familiar from somewhere but I'm not sure...

[@KichiMiangra]

Panda Cat I don't know if this was the ORIGINAL speaker of the quote, but that artist I heard it from was a fellow artist on deviantart named Kevin Bolk

[@iliketurtles2531]

Refusing art class because you want to draw anime is just like saying "I don't need math, I just want to be a game developer".

[@mendics]

which you can.

[@marcoalonzo1311]

You like turtles therefore your opinion is invalid

[@revimfadli4666]

I like turtles perhaps more like "I don't need to learn how to code", with game maker programs being analogous to anime style

[@thatrottenotaku6596]

More like "Science is not related to maths".

[@zyaicob]

Top ten anime comments.

[@exceisior3145]

But i do want to draw naked muscular men and fruit.

[@thevigilant6884]

Then do it.

[@helium-379]

Draw muscular men made out of fruit.

[@ok-lm9ns]

Banana Man I need to see this

[@nsd5260]

That's.... That's...REVOLUTIONARY!

[@username55ify]

Justin Hot

[@farahvervoorst8824]

Thank you for this. I’m currently being crucified by a band of outraged defensive mothers on a link for an anime course for kids for pretty much saying all of this and more. I’m an art teacher - I’ve had students struggle to escape its grasp - afraid to engage with anything else and struggling to learn to see. Two other points - in the U.K. at least, exam boards are sniffy about it, and the main anime industry is based in Japan - and they’ve got it nailed - so it could impact on your grades and your career options. Approach with caution!

[@farahvervoorst8824]

What examiners expect to see is a breadth of exploration and understanding encompassing a wide range of media and visual language. Just reproducing anime is like walking into you maths exam and hoping to get an A* because you know your three times table - but nothing else.

[@farahvervoorst8824]

Those examining art, came directly from teaching the subject. And when you teach Art, you very quickly realise that because of its immediacy and relative simplicity, many students get stuck in a bit of an anime rut, and take longer to develop beyond it. Examiners know this from experience, and so immediately begin to draw a judgement on a student at the slightest hint of stylistic drawing born of anime. I had one student who would absolutely not depart from the genre and consequently didn’t achieve the grade her talent and ability could have seen her reach. So I’m not saying that all art teachers or examiners hate it as a genre, we’re just aware of its pitfalls and know that our students may be prejudged and marked down because of it.

[@rocas7342]

@@farahvervoorst8824 it was very useful reading your comment for me as a young self-taught artist

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

@@rocas7342 same

[@Dynocation]

I agree with you. I do like stylized stuff and it's my favorite thing to draw, but I realized in the last year that I won't improve unless I have an understanding of anatomy and how realistic animals/people work. It took a lot of staring at my favorite artists to realize, hey, they draw really good body proportions and their characters look alive, while my characters look flat and bland. Case in point, what you said makes a lot of sense.

[@MattiasPilhede]

Thanks for listening! I also like stylised stuff a lot and still struggle with finding the balance between style and making something that's "convincing". Just gotta' keep learning!

[@user-jw3xm3yj9t]

Dynocation Depends what style you want to work with

[@cheesecakethedutchangeldra9413]

Dynocation I agree :)

[@alexandrafedorova4257]

Dynocation what is happening lol I just found Ross draws on PaigeeWorld and know I find you on KZbin!

[@daniarahal4749]

I find a lot of people from PaigeeWorld holy shit

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Of course your anime drawing is bad if you don't know anatomy.

[@anonimationghoul8798]

Facts

[@klltsun_2576]

Oh damn, tried to press the like button and accidentally pressed the dislike. I took it back and liked, but sorry if you got that dislike notification lol

[@piklan89]

@@klltsun_2576 theres no dislike notifactions, lol

[@oonaverse]

Farhan Rizal drawing anime is just a recipe for disaster. Anime ingore physics and logic completely. People over exaggerate the already over exaggerated features like the eyes and spikes of hair. The lack of nose on some characters. I mean obviously as they mentioned if you learn you can get better but it’s just really not an easy feat. And if it is messed up? That looks pretty terrifying (I.e thE THUMBNAIL)

[@klltsun_2576]

notfunny Oh ok haha

[@Stereo6400]

THIS IS MY S T Y L E

[@Biggest_subhuman]

Tyle??

[@Biggest_subhuman]

What do you mean with tyle

[@Biggest_subhuman]

Oh style

[@cartypop]

@mlp is the worst creation made by mankind mhhh no...

[@nutanddash8552]

@mlp is the worst creation made by mankind ro2shrcirige cringe n9rmie rwoosh reddit

[@ojojostar671]

I can say from past experience, all of this is so true. There's just a barrier that you can't get across until you actually study anatomy. It might be tough, but don't give up. As you study anatomy, you will realize all of the mistakes you have been making while creating your anime art that made your art just seem off. And as you continue, you'll realize that anime is just a simplified version of reality, and drawing anime will suddenly become a breeze. You'll improve like crazy. Your art will increase in quality by tenfold. And by the end of it all, you'll realize that it was all worth it.

[@steve7745]

@selenite. ok but how old are you? I don't mean this as a diss, but genuinely age can affect things. I'm a musician, not a physical artist, but I got a lot better over the years in ny youth by taking a break and then trying again as I got older due to motor skills increasing with age. This is true as a kid, but once youre like 25, it becomes a skills and knowledge wall and not a physical limitations wall to overcome. I genuinely agree with the philosophy of don't give up because even if it works in your youth, once you're in college and beyond and doing it qs a lifestyle thing, there's no substitute for genuine study and practice

[@al5193]

me: drawing fruits in anime

[@regem9121]

Draws fruit and jojo's bizarre adventure Checkmate art teachers

[@starsinthesky3053]

A L drawing yoi

[@starsinthesky3053]

TeCool Mage its still a naked man/men

[@stray_bad_dog_]

Bro, you need to calm down.

[@bquecha7526]

*Makes them to Jojo style*

[@IamCombustible]

Trying to draw anime before you understand anatomy and proportions will make your art look like a Sonichu comic.

[@emueljletgler2962]

Look at some succesful cartoons from nowadays like Adventure Time or Steven Universe: they look like Sonichu's aborted siamese brother.

[@Konpekikaminari]

this is so true my art style is very anime based and I can confirm that disproportionate and incorrect bodies look... weird this is why I can spend about an hour or so simply moving my hand and staring at it, to get see how want I wanna draw should look

[@elicaraballo5986]

+Emuel Jletgler Those shows still use proportions

[@Vermilleno]

Nope. I beg to differ. I draw Anime a lot and i have not tried anything else before it.

[@cestalia]

Vermilleno DON'T DO IT. I'm 22 years old, and I regret not learning perspective and coloring. Why? Because once you want to draw something, you can't do it. You are lack of skill and experience for it. (Thank God I can do anatomy. Don't want to be that artist that can only do headshot). And even if you want to draw anime artstyle, do variety of it like in Jojo Bizarre Adventure, Aku no Hana anime, Ping pong animation, Panty and Stocking, etc.

[@dizzy7413]

Learn the rules before you break them

[@tennojistar]

left ear *G I A N T R O B* -oh wait that's off topic

[@misamisatv]

I hated art class because i hated *rules*.

[@dizzy7413]

StarryIsLame lmao

[@dizzy7413]

misamisatv what I meant was to learn realism and anatomy first, and after you learn the basics you get to create your own style based on techniques you learned from the basics.

[@Zellig]

The rules are it's art, that it's a freeform expression of human intention, that there are no rules, and that anything that you claim is a "rule" at one point wasn't a rule, meaning that the artist who first engaged in the principle literally broke the conventions (dare I say, rules?) by utilizing it in the first place.

[@nare8888]

Nah my art teacher doesn't mind when i draw anime but she minds when i draw hentai.

[@ItchyMagic]

underated

[@Cosiek7]

understandable...

[@lvcrimosv]

is it good hentai though

[@Sunshine-ct1qh]

then your teacher isn't one of those cultured ppl

[@ao2415]

I like clips 1000 get some saltyness that means you're not good enough

[@hellboy6507]

Browsing deviantart, you can tell who knows the fundamentals and who doesn't. It's as clear as day. Looking back on some of my amateur drawings, all I could think was "what the hell was I thinking when I drew this?".

[@bquecha7526]

I drew people with teacup and dorito face people with large eyes.. I kinda regret making those.

[@perviguana]

But I've decided to dedicate my life to making bad Sasuke fanart..

[@kayleighgriva4817]

Forget this video, you are doing God's work.

[@caiterbunch3932]

be who you wanna be!

[@platinumchromee3191]

Do it.

[@pedoslayer]

BABAHAH

[@melindabolding5601]

@@caiterbunch3932 all for the cost of grades. What if those people who wanna be what they wanna be aren’t proud of their work? For now they need to see more than just anime art if they wanna make more than just stick figures.

[@PhilVillagerOffical]

Kid: I call it bold and brash Teacher: more like belongs in the trash

[@lucidmoth1023]

XD that was good.

[@Somespideronline]

I love the spongebob reference XD

[@YourGirl2628]

Kid:More like u belong in trash

[@mightypurplelicious1625]

Kid: well you git paid minimum cash

[@inkcomet9709]

I miss spongebob 😔

[@xerokun5067]

I totally agree, as when I was 12 I was too impractical and thought that making anime is easy so I started to draw 7-8 hours a day and wasn't able to understand why I can't improve so as I grew up I learnt anatomy of human figures ,gestures ,etc and now drawing anime for me is wayy too easy as my basic fundamentals of art is clear.

[@xerokun5067]

@Aakriti p study shapes, forms and then perspective. it's kinda confusing and boring but once learnt you'll see yourself in another level. If you can purchase a book, I recommend you 'How to draw' by Scott Robertson its a great book. But first learn to draw from life then you might be able to differentiate between anime anatomy and real anatomy and other stuff.

[@lookatmyfacern]

@@xerokun5067 literally the same thing i experienced, i really loved the style for anime and wanted to have a similar style to them too, and thought it was easy because other people can do it in a nick of a time, what didn't realize is that to find your own style you have to learn all the basic fundamental of art , then start to experiment to find your style. now im currently learning human anatomy FIRST because that's literally my most worst skill in art.

[@EyeLean5280]

There's one more reason why art teachers aren't so crazy about anime. They've seen it over and over and over and over. It's been coming across their desks for over 20 years. To an art teacher, it seems like a tired cliche. The fact is the kid who thinks it's "their" style is dead wrong. It's a style they've copied from pop culture, whereas teachers want to help their students genuinely find their own style, their own voice, and that's a good thing. However, they do need to be kind about it. THANK YOU for this. You articulate a lot of important points very well.

[@lucidmoth1023]

Although I partially agree with you I'll have to stop you at anime being one style. Sure a lot of anime has a certain look to it but it all has different styles and categories of styles. That's like saying that you shouldn't draw in the American cartoon Style because it all looks the same even though it all has differences in it. Sorry if I missed the point. Not trying to be rude.

[@aokimika9249]

There's _no way_ you could say jojo and assassination classroom are the same style. (My oppinion)

[@darlalathan6143]

Well, it could also be anti-Asian racism, ageism and classism, due to their own Eurocentric "Great Masters" art education that looks down on manga and comics as "lowbrow" "foreign" "kid stuff."

[@xxAryAryxx]

@@darlalathan6143 The funny thing is that Europe itself is not that "Eurocentric" when it comes to art, sure the 'high arts' are taken more into consideration, but there's a small European manga industry that is growing relatively quickly (especially in France). Many European comics schools offer manga courses as well.

[@poppingpumping1812]

Just think that "anime art" is the "eastern art" and not "western art." I have many artist friends back when Zucc doesn't fucking zucc me and all of them has a fundamentally different artstyle to each other (Twitter: @IO_KUN_, @aldi_kreenz, @ouzan_b, and @temachii. Just examples of my friends). If we go by famous artists, then ASK, EGO, and Hews all have different artstyles. Then if we go by something easier and more "well-known" form of media of "anime" then Owari no Seraph, Bongou Stray Dogs, and then Akiba's Trip. They're all different, despite being "anime." Literally the same goes with how Phineas and Ferb is different looking from Adventure Time.

[@mewpeach9]

Out of all people who explained this topic, I feel like you explained it the best. I see a number of people who addressed this issue but it just came out sounding like " Don't draw anime." You made it really clear and understanding.Thank you. Also nice video.

[@MattiasPilhede]

Thank you so much!

[@kaboi9548]

I love your profile pic lol

[@deadgirlwalking3746]

This comment expresses how I feel about this to.

[@thefebo8987]

the problem is that 99% of all anime art is generic shit

[@qwemlhjsi4386]

The Febo Similar to art?

[@viyaGyudon]

Someone: I DONT WANNA DO REALISM, I'LL JUST STUDY ART IN JAPAN 1:32 : *Japanese students in a Japanese art school learning realism

[@ragejinraver]

Exactly these anime kids just don't know about life yet they're so in their own little bubble but sooner or later they got their wake up call

[@viyaGyudon]

@@ragejinraver Well I like anime but i'm practicing realism as well haha... It's not just Anime but cartoon styles too which are more simplistic. It's the first thing they see and want their style to be, which is ok but they never practice by looking at real life.

[@Moonmoon-ws6jo]

Them:*shocked pikachu*

[@senza4591]

Because fucking obviously

[@dryelene]

Yeah, a lot of anime fans really put japan onto a high pedestal and regard it as some magical haven or something

[@dammb-xp9lc]

Usually when people draw anime, they usually draw inspiration from anime they watch not from manga . Many manga like vagabond, berserk, akira, vinland saga, one punch man, blame are all talented artists who know how to draw well. so I often think that anime art can draw beautiful and detailed in many different ways without having to be a specific type if you try to learn drawing at school then you can draw anime art beautiful and detailed like normal art (Sorry for my bad english)

[@wowisntitanamazinglyamazin9550]

Yeah one of my favorite art styles actually comes from a manga artist. Junji Ito. The fucker is an amazing artist who can convey such great emotion through his drawings with such a great attention to detail that it's so subtle unless you look at if for a while

[@keyman245]

Blame faces are gorgeous

[@FrancoKing419]

Wth wym bad English

[@ads605]

Your English is better than some English speakers, don’t worry you’re doing good

[@PyroFTB]

That's why I opt to get my references and style from the mangas I read

[@redcarnival5520]

I don't even draw anime yet my art teacher hates me...

[@duality1677]

Candy Can 2469 Same tbh but I think it's because she knows I'm uninterested in a lot of the lessons. We're just starting out and she's teaching the basic-basics which I already know. She went on a twenty minute lecture yesterday on how to use a kneaded eraser. It's not because I don't understand why she's starting from the beginning, it's just that I'm a very easily bored person, and the fact that I have resting bitch face doesn't help me fake excitement for her lectures either lol.

[@whatblank4157]

Back then, I never understood why my high school art teachers were often being so hateful towards their students. Now I see the reason.

[@redcarnival5520]

In my sketchbook at home but I draw humans or just plain animals in class or whatever she wants me to draw

[@SubatomicMule3]

but the drawing of sam on your channel looks great

[@redcarnival5520]

Thank you :3

[@njalsand133]

the interesting thing though is that manga uses all the art rules and consistent anatomy

[@ilovecandles7697]

Maybe a bit for body anatomy, but definitely not for face anatomy and hair

[@Supertimegamingify]

@@ilovecandles7697 Jo. Jo.

[@trappp4527]

@@Supertimegamingify araki sonetimes uses michalengelos structures as a model

[@zackwyvern2582]

Good artists practice anatomy, regardless of style. This has nothing to do with style but has everything to do with artist skill and time spent.

[@kawaiicookiuwu3322]

Why did it suck so badly though? Was he blind? Or is there an interview somewhere explaining?

[@qingtessence2649]

Learn the rules before you break them. *or I will break you with this hamme-*

[@steamres1880]

Snik Pliscive *_hold up-_*

[@trogdorsstopmotionstudio1916]

-Solar Sands

[@aliel6137]

solar SANSS

[@venusgin7779]

Snik Pliscive •looks at Picasso’s drawings• I know you know how to draw but why... why did you do this to the poor girl? Like look at her vagina! It’s looks like a weird open grapefruit from Minecraft if Minecraft had weird open grapefruit...

[@ferrin6326]

Solar Sands has the best quotes and the most beautifully depressed voice

[@kittenmimi5326]

So basically: 1. Learn the rules before you break it 2. Teacher who say they hate anime probably just sucks at communicating shit. When really, if they're a teacher they should learn the proper way to communicate what they want to teach to their students

[@ETBrooD]

1) There are no rules to art. Literally anything can be art, therefore there are no rules to learn. There are *skills* to learn, but not rules. 2) Art teachers (just like all teachers) should never tell their students whether or not they like a student's work. As teachers they should be as objective as they can be. But art is subjective and therefore in order to be objective an art teacher should only teach their students how to fulfill a given assignment (i.e. learn new skills and apply them), and afterwards tell them whether or not their work fulfills the assignment. Anytime a teacher strays into the subjective there's a great risk of the student losing interest in either listening or drawing, neither of which helps the desired goal of creating art. This means the only times a teacher should praise their students is if they fulfilled an assignment that requires a certain skill or set of skills.

[@fluffybunchy]

Lol

[@IHateChrisR]

Not really. Your art teachers aren't obligated to tell you what to do unless it's something like college. Your high school art class isnt obligated to tell you tips, tricks and bullshit; tips and tricks are for mentors.

[@IHateChrisR]

@@ETBrooD There's nothing wrong with teachers giving their views on a students artwork if they teach what art is. They need to teach that art is subjective. You're approaching this too hardily.

[@fun_fun1014]

@@ETBrooD Not everything is art. If that were the case nobody would have to go to art school, they could just sell whatever they want and pretend it’s some artwork they made.

[@UncleFeedle]

When I was doing my degree in digital art/CGI, I was shocked at how many people on my course were doing the same things, thinking they were being original. I'd say at least 70% of the other students had sketchbooks filled with anime art. If you want to impress your teachers, here is what NOT to include in your final year submission: Digital Art: anime/manga Character Animation: zombies, Batman 3D Environments: derelict mental hospitals, Japanese gardens, stock skies, obvious texture tiling VFX: UFO's over the college, badly comped explosions Motion graphics: camera flying through a tunnel, lens flares These are the things that course tutors see over and over again.

[@miru2583]

yep.. im not in art college but i can pretty much predict that weeboos go there to learn to draw anime rather than anything else

[@lvcrimosv]

@@miru2583 to all weebs who are planning to go into art college : that's hell you're walking into

[@miru2583]

@Xiaomu K it is wrong when they waste all their parent's money for expensive art college only to draw anime after graduation instead of 2nd mona lisa

[@miru2583]

@Xiaomu K why limit yourself with modern art and anime when you can do something greater. that's the point of art school isn't it? to improve creativity. at least with modern art, it sells. anime hentai picture does not unless you have your own patreon or join animation course. art school teach you to be creative, not drawing anime. it is not wrong, just need to have a correct mindset when joining art course or every other courses in that matter

[@miru2583]

@Xiaomu K anime is not an art. period

[@lauryw]

then draw JoJo characters, they're the perfect mix of muscular men and anime

[@nekometalsonic8383]

Agreed

[@spiderspartianProductions]

Power move

[@sodadeibuprofeno]

No, just look at phantom blood, the anathomy of that is wrong

[@lauryw]

@@sodadeibuprofeno only in the manga, but if you use the anime as an example..

[@nekometalsonic8383]

@@sodadeibuprofeno In later parts, anatomy is *P E R F E C T* even it was at the cost of less muscles it's still good

[@brrmbrrmm]

I misinterpreted the title as, "Why your anime teacher hates your anime art."

[@whizz_0711]

*brain malfunction*

[@TFmoviesss]

so my brain couldn't find the difference between this and the title for a good 2 minutes

[@MaddieFishblob]

“As a kid you probably don’t wanna sit and draw naked people and fruit” 😂😆😂 well I liked drawing fruit occasionally, but hey he’s definitely right about the naked people

[@Narusasu98]

Personally I think the human body is beautiful, and more interesting to draw than a bunch of fruit

[@MaddieFishblob]

Duckie wow that’s actually pretty dang inspiring! ❤️ I like ur view dude

[@pez_ezp]

Yep I only drew apples and trees, cause they were the only thing I knew how to draw, but they were still bad-

[@Karbic_]

@@Narusasu98 explains rule34 artists

[@rebornnothing5567]

@@pez_ezp draw naked trees, that might make it better

[@michelleong2762]

I came here for the thumbnail. I saw it before a long time ago and I need to know, WHO DREW THAT??? It's the only drawing in the world that makes me want to puke, cry and laugh at the same time, and I've seen a LOT of bad art, but this one is so disgusting and heartbreakingly sincere in its badness it's kind of amazing

[@LovesickDemon]

Michelle Ong thing is, I had that book as a kid and i think it actually killed a few brain cells

[@JudgeDeadd]

Oh god. THIS WAS AN ACTUAL BOOK SOLD IN STORES Oh god II, the purple-haired monstrosity that looks like a DeviantArt reject ALSO WAS FROM A PUBLISHED BOOK 78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lon886agvI1qmgcpwo1_500.jpg

[@nguyencaokhanhngoc2585]

JudgeDeadd Jesus fucking Christ so this is what we’re doing now?Holy cow that shit is ugly as fuck

[@lucidmoth1023]

@@JudgeDeadd What is the world coming to.... I've seen books similiar to this. It's a monstrosity but at the same time hilarious.

[@groque1654]

@@lucidmoth1023 hopefully it's in the "how not to draw anime" part of a beginners book

[@crocaroach]

I agree with the points in this video, but everyone in the comments is talking about how you need to find an original style. Not every style is original, what's wrong with drawing anime if that is what you enjoy? Even if it's not an original way of drawing something, it's still your way of drawing something.

[@djailsonfelipe84]

Indeed. I think it might be also just as important to develop your style too! Be it based on a myriad of other styles or your completely spontaneous one.

[@bokutoeandakaasfeet1896]

I totally agree.

[@cuturtimeshort1450]

Thank you, I'm seeing comments on being original, when it's not even what I want to be in the first place. Idc about originality when what i want is to draw what I love. Sure, it's overused as hell, but that doesn't mean I love it any less.

[@dusty_giraffe2111]

There are different styles to anime, so you can be original drawing anime.

[@retrodkcn1979]

Based

[@cartoondeathnoises8756]

this video is really underappreciated; needs more views

[@JoystickStereo]

For real

[@dimondgod1234]

I'm 99% sure you like botted this, 1 comment and 500 likes.

[@JoystickStereo]

+NGC 262 I've made a comment that got over 1600 likes before -_-

[@JoystickStereo]

+AVeryHappyTeddyBear I stopped at "medal"; your stupid sarcastic bullshit does literally nothing. I was merely showing the other guy that that many likes on one comment can happen, so fuck off with that.

[@mynamesnotrick]

I think it's because these anime artists don't want to admit that this man could be right.

[@spaceboi1472]

"Maybe you dont want to draw big muscular men" Jojo characters: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@IHateChrisR]

I know this is a joke but he's referring to more cartoonish styles. Even if you drew in a JoJo style, you could definitely make it to that point faster because it has a firm basis in reality. Do not use the JoJo style as a crutch until you actually get to that point.

[@Kromiball]

I personally like the part 7 art style. They look realistic, they aren't too muscular.

[@isjejjdjemdmekkwmskekwkdme4669]

Dragon ball characters: pathetic.

[@personperson8712]

Jojo style is fucking disgusting. I cant stare at it longer than a second

[@girlwithoneeyee]

@@personperson8712 it is an acquired taste u will soon have after getting over ur generic uwu cutesy artstyle phase

[@jstall20]

the reason some art teachers hate anime is because it allows an art student to rely on a set of stylistic tropes (big eyes, round head shapes, basically generic anime tropes) as a crutch rather than coming up with their own ideas and thinking critically and growing old ideas into unique ones. you can level the same criticism at american 3d animation. I studied illustration, and it takes years to cultivate an understanding of what makes you tick as a creative individual.

[@anhhuynhkimnguyen6793]

I think they are more concerned with students drawing symbols of the things they want to draw instead of the actual things they want to draw.

[@scottchaison1001]

What's bad with the big eyes and the round head shapes?

[@annabella1650]

CarloZ Tv In and of itself nothing, but if that’s the only thing you can draw you have a problem on your hands. A large chunk of good art is variety; you have to know how to create difference head and eyes shape, as well as how to change their proportions and distances to create different characters.

[@scottchaison1001]

@@annabella1650 You're right. Thanks for answer me.

[@scottchaison1001]

@@anhhuynhkimnguyen6793 What?

[@PsychoPony1]

In community college art classes I've taken (and every art class before that), you always start with drawing what you see. It's crucial to understand lighting, perspective, anatomy, color, etc. These are the building blocks that you fall back on. If you don't understand basic grammar, how would you write a book? If you don't know how to read music, how can you compose a symphony? It's possible, but much harder to do if you don't know what you're doing. Even after you graduate or move on from the basics, artists continue to learn by using references and trying out new methods. You captured the entire point perfectly in this video. Artistic education is still education. Teachers can be jerks, but pursuing a profession means that you will try and sometimes fail. Thanks for sharing, I liked what you had to say. :)

[@worldhello1234]

" If you don't understand basic grammar, how would you write a book?" By start writing a shitty book and then ... improve.

[@SinTeller]

Red Phoenix It's much easier to know grammar first. Then you have less corrections to go through

[@PsychoPony1]

"It's possible, but much harder to do if you don't know what you're doing."

[@ReptarsaurusRex]

In eighth grade my art teacher taught us to DRAW WHAT YOU SEE and I always remember that tip when I'm trying to draw something and it just isn't working - it's because I have an idea in my head of what I see but it's only and idea, that's why it doesn't end up looking _real._ If you're ever struggling on a picture, draw what you see. I will always remember that tip forever because it always works

[@r7calvin]

How do you "improve" shitty grammar if you don't understand basic grammar?

[@yokuchan1172]

I'd like to point out that professional anime is actually very difficult to draw. It just seems to be the case that many people aren't... Good at... Well uhm, drawing, and they think that if they draw it like a cartoon, it can be concealed. It can't, trust me on this one.

[@mikat_2977]

Honestly i know they also ofc work in companies and have so much years of experience and time to put in it because THAT'S THEIR JOB but drawing anime is ehhh.. And all but HOW DO YOU ANIMATE IT AND MAKE LIKE 1 HOUR+ MOVIES AND LIKE THOUSANDS OF EPISODES OF ANIME WITH EVERY SINGLE FRAME LOOKING LIKE IT COULS JUST BE A DRAWING SOMEONE DREW THAT TOOK THEM HOURS-

[@sesshomakari]

As a long time artist who's roots were anime and shifted to a semi-realistic style,, this is a very nice and informative video that touches down on the point without being harsh. Thank you very much!

[@tcc5750]

To be fair semi-realistic can be Berserk, then there is total realistic art in manga such as Vagabond or Vinland Saga.

[@Namae69]

When I started studying, I was afraid to draw a manga in my classes. I was hiding it and I thought that the teacher wouldn't be happy with my style. Once he said to draw something that we like and I didn't know what to draw, because I mostly enjoy manga. So he asked me why I don't draw, I replied that I don't know what should I do, because I only draw manga girls. I was quite embarrassed .-. Then he said that if I like manga, I should draw it and stop thinking it's shameful, because drawing should be a pleasure and we should enjoy it. When we don't draw portraits or still life I always draw something related to the manga. I am glad that the teacher allows us to create art the way we want, teaching us a lot of new things and encouraging to try new techniques instead of forcing us.

[@thepredman9lol266]

I totally agree

[@eun508]

mood, i just draw chibis with stickman eyes

[@micharosa6201]

It remaind me classmate from secondary school, who draw a patreon of school in kinda anime style

[@PikaPetey]

a million times this! great artists are ALWAYS practicing the fundamentals

[@rudywoomy441]

I once drew an inkling for a project, and my art teacher said it wasn’t supposed to be an alien..

[@gam3rmom3nt3]

she knows more than us

[@reygenne1]

@@gam3rmom3nt3 you mean she’s ‘cultured’

[@TwilightWolf032]

Yes what you said is 100% true. I also learned to draw anime by first learning the basics and theory. But above all, I was lucky for having a teacher that explained to all his students *why* it was important to learn through this method. Most comments about "my teacher hated my art" I see on youtube never mention this exchange, and if it didn't happen, it's entirely the teacher's fault for failing to guide. Had my teacher never explained to us why we had to go through the boring stuff first, I would probably have stopped attending to his classes.

[@PyroFTB]

I still struggled on adapting an anime artstyle because before that, I was drawing semi-realism. Though I was able to use my knowledge on anatomy once I was able to draw the head shapes of the style.

[@layspotatogays122]

The world just isn’t ready for my big tiddie anime Shrek hentai art

[@leonardodavinci4176]

:(

[@nobodyyo]

Release it soon

[@dafnefeelslikeh3210]

I'm the 69th like NOICE

[@aimarov.5568]

Shrek is love, Shrek is life.

[@justoh312]

“art”

[@juliahagins7361]

Yes!!! You can't get better if you refuse to try new things and step out of your comfort zone. Sometimes anime can hold you back to the point where you're teaching yourself incorrect anatomy and it just goes downhill from there. You explained it perefectly!!! Subbed!!

[@worldhello1234]

"You can't get better if you refuse to try new things and step out of your comfort zone." There is no comfort zone, just feeling comfortable, and you can feel comfortable by becoming confident and competent. There is no mutual exclusivity involved, just cost-benefit..

[@greyh0und76]

There's no cost if you do what you are completely comfortable with, and you have to step out of comfort-ability to become confident and competent. Some of the most incompetent people are very comfortable where they are, because they stay in a state of comfort (spoiler alert: that's the definition of a comfort zone). And, I believe you are using "mutual exclusivity" wrong. The impossibility of two events occurring at the same time has nothing to do with your sentence, not in the sense that I am inferring. And, for the record, cost = stepping out of a state of feeling comfort zone benefit= improving. You contradicted your own point, both proving comfort zones exist and that the need to step out of them is required to improve. You currently have no content on your channel, nor any links to any content you make, so how can you prove your ideal of thinking works?

[@DaisukeKigurou]

Anime and manga has a lot of good anatomy but the newer stuff doesn't and can fuck you up. So try something new.

[@Paints]

Shinji Kurosaki lolwut

[@m_winewood]

If you break the rules before you learn them then the deviations come off as unintentional. A couple things ive learned in my time at art university is that 1) young artists are incredibly sensitive (what a surprise) 2) they often want to receive praise as they are rather than receive criticism. They dont even have to be told that it sucks. Just told where they need improvement and they'll be hurt. 3) they identify too much with their work and see themselves as this work right here that they've just produced thats being critiqued rather than as a body of improvement that can and will make better things if they would take the criticism in stride. I understand cuz i had to train this stubborn mindset out of me. "My style" should not be synonymous with "sucking forever". And i mean this in a broader sense than just drawing anime as it applies to being an artist in general.

[@ARDERUUD]

You're absolutely correct, and these videos you speak of have made me feel very off. I don't agree with the teachers who blindly forbid this without explanation, or even rip up students' work, but there is a good reason for steering young students away from manga style. I come from a manga background; always read it, studied it, used it as inspiration, and of course my work ended up carrying that "anime" style. I'll never abandon that origin, but moving away from it during college has been immensely helpful. You learn to understand anatomy and form, shadow shapes, space, and other essentials; most manga work I make for fun today is actually work I'm proud of, something that carries a mix between the manga origins and professional study. The absolute shunning of "anime" is not helpful, but the deviation from it is borderline required if you want to improve.

[@worldhello1234]

"... but there is a good reason for steering young students away from manga style." Yeah, it is for steering them away from school systems into homeschooling and unschooling, so they can learn what it means to learn instead of being forced to. :)

[@NM-br1rb]

Red Phoenix hijacking a comment only tangentially related to what you said to talk about your viewpoint *really* lends said views credit. Keep at it, maybe you'll convince someone one day.

[@ponypublications]

As a homeschool graduate and one who believes in homeschooling, I'm gonna agree with Nexi Corn here. Bad form, friend. Rude even. Although I do understand what you're saying.

[@jacobfoxfires9647]

Will say for a tip, anime and Manga don't have a "style", it's more of a cultural system if that makes sense. Anime and manga specifically talks about Japanese made comics and drawings. While you can have some styles that can have inspiration from these, they aren't technically Anime or Manga. And even then, the anime and manga styles are very varied. Taking works from DBZ and comparing it to One Piece, and both are very different. Again, not bad to have some inspiration from artists, but the key is having your own style. It's like with Avatar, it has an anime inspiration, but it makes it it's own style at the same time.

[@r7calvin]

At this point, the range of styles in anime and manga is pretty diverse, but if the teacher can still identify it as "manga" or "anime" without the student explicitly labeling it as such, then it probably still very closely follows the more stereotypical stylistic and symbolic conventions/shorthands that most associate with manga/anime. And DBZ and One Piece definitely fit squarely within that tradition. Dead Leaves is probably a better example of the stylistic fringe.

[@remixxx432]

b-but senpai! I want to draw cool edgy mango!

[@mregg7788]

You forgot the UwU part

[@lucidmoth1023]

I'm sorry Anime-chan you mustn't. I-I- actually love the fundamentals. IM SORRY! *cries anime tears*

[@lucidmoth1023]

@@svenskafilosofem n'yello

[@metromangaming8782]

@@lucidmoth1023 don't know why but i actually recreated the scene in my head i need help ;-;

[@rq96]

Remi xxx i too want to draw cool edgy mango 😢

[@Meggsie]

I has a similar experience in my drafting class. There's a classmate who got into a heated conversation over his grade with our teacher. I wasn't paying attention until he very loudly said, "well when I'm an architect, I can draw figures however I want." Her careful response was, "You're not an architect yet, you're in my class and I need you to be able to draw what I ask you to." I'm sitting here thinking, the architect is almost always drawing for a client and they have final say to how they want it drawn. Learning to work beyond your own tendancies can only benifet you.

[@EinSofVirtuoso]

Probably read Ayn Rand's Fountainhead.

[@blastingsmite4533]

My art teacher was a huge jerk She didn't teach us anything that's really important, we just spent a year trying to copy famous people's style

[@cometaHavoc]

Aah yes, primary school teacher.

[@eskikanal6325]

My all art teachers till high school belike

[@isjejjdjemdmekkwmskekwkdme4669]

What the teacher did is literally the opposite of most important thing in art: creativity.

[@candygrace6696]

Myart teacher was exactly the same. That's all we did was copy other people. The rare times she did teach us something like shading she did so in a very poor manor that was not clear to understand. On top of that she was SUPER hateful and just mean.

[@forknife326]

@@eskikanal6325 That's the exact opposite, the elementary and middle school teachers are decent high school teachers usually don't know what the fuck is going on at least at low income schools

[@nurdyannabatrisya2751]

Art teacher: don’t draw anime. Draw naked people and fruit. Me: *draws naked anime person eating a fruit*

[@rand0md00d3]

hardcore nude of light yagami X'D

[@alissamedvedeva5614]

Don't forget that they're supposed to be big and muscular Draw a Pillarmen eating a fruit!

[@scottchaison1001]

@@alissamedvedeva5614 JoJo.

[@tbana2396]

I'll take a fruit... and eat it.

[@danhoquang368]

Naked Kakyoin licking cherries

[@rowanphillips3497]

“It’s just my art style,” is the most cancerous excuse of young artists omg

[@kimeojin6766]

"YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITIQUE ME BECAUSE I AM ENTITLED TO DRAW WHATEVER I WANT AND ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS." cancer.

[@rirukadokugamine1658]

Yeah, but it's about as good of a response as "don't draw anime" is constructive criticism. It's just laziness responding to laziness

[@so9175]

Hey guess what? Artists don’t have to draw the way you want them too. :-) Woah.

[@rowanphillips3497]

@Summer You can't even draw a straight line, and your characters always tilt to the side, don't they? :) mistakes and lack of skill =/= an art style

[@Fisinocean]

Hey....don't call me out!

[@butchblaster7073]

Because your art teacher can tell you're a weeb

[@noxian3006]

Butch Blaster yea boi

[@flitchhh]

Butch Blaster smart teacher

[@masonsachs9681]

yep

[@tomh4754]

Jacob BH Acceptance is the first step towards cure.

[@melodieangelique3385]

And that's perfectly fine. I'M A WEEB AND I'M PROUD!!

[@keileyk8507]

I have to agree and disagree in some ways and its actually very hard to explain. I think you're right that a lot of people who love anime, who are good at art and start drawing it are using it as some sort of a crutch but in my eyes that doesn't necessarily has to be a bad thing. Isn't the point of a crutch to help you with something and support you? Thats what it did for me at least. I first started to draw stylized anime before I learned how to go more into detail and draw portrait style. Like I've been at this literal place a few years back and I must say that my latest art teacher didn't hate that I drew anime, he even encouraged me even and said "Sometimes its easier to learn and improve yourself with something you like and enjoy, rather than trying to force yourself to draw something you don't like." Does that make any sense? I've also had art teachers who hated that I was drawing anime so yes, now that you explained it in that video, I do understand it but the way a lot of teachers handle it is discouraging. Most of them don't explain their reasoning and its frustrating if you get told "Just draw this and that" instead of any kind of acknowledgement for what you already accomplished (of course exceptions happen). Sorry its hard to explain but I hope anyone gets what I'm trying to say.

[@spring7643]

You know what that's a great point because art shouldn't be a race and there is no rush in learning it, like any other creative outlet art should be fun for the creator

[@geeseispluralforgoose]

I disagree. Yes a crutch is supposed to help you. But eventually you must let go of the crutch and walk. I started drawing because I liked anime. Back then I copied a character in an anime I liked as closely as I could to the anime's style. And when i drew another character from another anime, I would also draw as closely as possible to its style. And, the results were quite good. But that isn't learning. You're just copying it line by line. I thought I was skilled. But when i tried to draw my own character, without any anime as a reference, I drew really badly, horrible perspective, proportions.. But I started to pick up things from anime that I thought would improve my art. I started to observe and without realising, I started to adopt things I liked about an anime's art style into my own art. And eventually, I even started changing some things to suit what I think would look nicer. This was how I let go of the crutch and started to walk by myself. I have a friend whom drew in their fancy sketchbooks really well, all she did was copy the art line by line and had no genuine talent of her own. This continued for a long time and she didnt improve her art since all she did was copy, copy and copy. New artists copy each art style to the very line of which ever reference they used. But veteran artists use their own initiative, and try to keep aspects of the original art while changing it to fit their style. Another friend of mine would always say the same thing when anyone gave her advice "It's my art style." Truthfully, I think she's too fixated on that to realise that we are genuinely giving advice. Her "art style" remained the exact same for two years, without even a hint of improvement or change. As said in 3:05. Im not saying drawing anime is bad, but as ive made quite clear until now, what i mean is they need to try and see what is beyond that "anime art style" they have. All those people dont have an art style. They call it an anime art style because they draw anime. But its not an art style, personalised to them. Each anime has their own distinctive style, but if you draw each in their respective style and way to the very line and label all your drawings as "anime style" all i can say is, thats bullshit. No initiative whatsoever.

[@abbynewman7293]

I wanna draw naked people and fruit.

[@MattiasPilhede]

You are the chosen one

[@loafywolfy]

why not naked fruit people?

[@boopboop9356]

Bruno Novello that would be horrific

[@DankRedditMemes]

JoJolion in a nutshell... sorta

[@asdfjkl03]

Only 12 year olds these days? Sheesh, when i was leaving middle school they were catching the 4th graders doing bad things in stairwells. GDI Internet Sex Ed

[@AlfredSoul]

The thing is, most of the people using the Manga/Anime style draw only in this style and never draw anything else. That's what is annoying.

[@wenweru1]

This is exactly what I was thinking when I was seeing those videos about people complaining about their old art teachers. When I see Young people who "base their style" in anime I usually see a lack of understanding in anatomy and perspective and proportions. They're more focused on drawing cool looking characters with big eyes and crazy hair.

[@TheKlopka]

I have a friend exactly like this. He started out drawing anime and progressed very fast and was really good at what he was doing for how long he had been drawing. But then after high school he continued to draw and didn’t stop but he never practiced the fundamentals of art. Fast forward ten years later and he has not improved at all despite drawing quite a lot. I wish he would have learned the fundamentals because he had a lot of talent and still does, a lot more than me.

[@grosslittlegoblin1358]

To be honest, i finished university, have a degree in animation, and as i work in animation i wish i would never atended to university. There is always a favored style and theme of animation, and the professor forcing it to you, so you will win competitons, your work will be in galleries, and they profit from it, all my years i was forced to create what i didnt like, and if i showed any sign of creativity they just shit all over on what i did. Not to mention the jelousy of professor when they notice if someone is much more talented then they are (not talking about myself). And now where i work, im the only one with an animation degree, other just have simple midle, high school. But since they didnt had to torture their soul, and started to work earlier on the real field, they basically all working better. The thing is, in drawing, art, animation there is nothing, not fucking a single thing, what you cant learn by yourself with reading books on the subject, and watching tutorials. You dont need any teachers, just dedication, and know how and where to look for information, and always push, and challange yourself, thats all. Just get some easy degree at a highschool from animation, and you can work. University is a wasting of time.

[@EyeLean5280]

Devine, I'm so sorry to hear about your art school experience. That sounds terrible. When I went to art school and I'd say most of my professors were very helpful in challenging me to think more and do better work. I wish you'd had an experience more like mine. Perhaps it depends on what school you choose? Since college is extremely expensive, students should be very careful and make sure they pick a school that will support them and not crush their spirits. Especially since yes, they can learn from books and websites.

[@SpaceOmega-zz6vs]

Though what if I want to draw large eyes and crazy hair? Not because of lack of intention of what I'm drawing but it was part of something I prefer drawing?

[@erase4473]

TheKlopka i dont think you need people to tell you how to draw, whether hes improved or not is besides the point. and you dont need to know anatomy if your drawing cartoons cause you can draw them however you want. maybe more so for anime but you still dont need to practice it fully to be good.

[@dilophosaurussk4333]

3:06 Honestly i would have a hard time calling "Stop drawing anime" "Critique" Teachers need to communicate things to their student fully 99% of the time (Speaking from multiple experiences here).

[@cretium805]

Hayao Miyazaki (one of the most important people in the history of anime) made this very criticism a few times. “It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans.” I think he's completely right.

[@RickJaeger]

A lot of it is.

[@RedZeshinX]

Hayao Miyazaki isn't the father of anime. You're thinking of Osamu Tezuka, the creator of Astro Boy/Tetsuwan Atom, who not only sparked the manga industry in Japan but as a huge fan of Disney also sparked the animation industry as well. As for Miyazaki, his criticism is primarily directed at the new generation of otaku who have inherited the animation medium in Japan, who compared to prior generations are socially awkward and have little personal or worldly experience with other people (which is probably owing to multiple socio-economic factors, like Japan's bubble economy bursting in the 90's and the rise of divisive technology, consequently nurturing and attracting a different kind of talent to the already low-paying animation industry). This is not only translating to narratives within modern anime that lack genuine humanity, understanding and human empathy (only producing poor facsimiles parroted from media tropes and not a mature, personal expression of pathos from the creators), but also translating to a larger trend of "style over substance" in the medium, not just aesthetically but technically speaking as well. 20th century anime was genuinely a craft and many animators were classically trained at universities or studio workshops, but you can tell watching most modern anime that many animators are simply hobbyist geeks who entered the industry out of fandom and hide a lack of professional-grade technical proficiency in representing human anatomy, natural movement and perspective by relying on digital processes and style as a crutch. It's hard to even call many anime characters in the modern era human anymore, as most are simply derivative caricatures born of badly abused tropes.

[@Tinnesa]

Lol father of anime? whatever you believe in bro

[@cretium805]

+RedZeshinX +Tinnesa An article said he's known as the father of anime, I didn't expect many comments on this, since it doesn't really matter for the point I'm trying to make. Anyway, I changed 'known as the father of anime' to 'one of the most important people in the history of anime'.

[@Manganization]

I think he's partially wrong. People are taking everything he says like it's word from god. Miyazaki has a distaste for anything that he hasn't grown up with. I have respect for his work, but the words that comes out of his mouth sometimes doesn't consider that people have different tastes. Anime doesn't have to be real all the time. It can also be fun without ever being real (Studio Trigger is a huge example of this and I feel that Miyazaki would cringe at every one of their works). Miyazaki loves making anime with natural flowing conversations and expressions, and that's awesome. It's what he does best, and his passion for it shows in his work. But at the same time, those detached anime he criticise also has its audience, and accomplishes things "being real" cannot.

[@lightishredgummi]

"But it's my style!" Is the new "it's not a phase, mom!"

[@iukl]

LightishRedGummi I've been drawing anime for the past four years lmao

[@anfDJRapture]

shit titties so

[@lightishredgummi]

shit titties that's not what I meant... I meant specifically the kids who just refuse to let go of their mediocre at best anime drawing skills to learn other styles that will help them draw better in general. I didn't even compare it to being a phase, I meant that it's the new phrase butthurt tweens and teens will be using, like how "it's not a phase" is something butthurt tweens and teens would use just for the sake of being "different" even though by doing it they're not so unique. I was comparing the tone and the people who will be using it and the general "no one appreciates me I'm a special little snowflake" attitude, not the actual meaning of the phrases themselves.

[@Bacxaber]

No.

[@MintyRainbow]

its not even a phase, its how i personally draw, my career? centered around my art style. big eyes convey innocence amd is more kid friendly, should children book authors conform to realistic styles always? no kids wont pay attention, so its not a phase. its how some people make a living

[@KariMaxsoulreapergoddess]

I think with the rise of anime we get a lot of kids who get inspired to draw, but don't have what it takes. Its not always fun its a lot of hard work.

[@askinredroads5132]

Its hard work if you wanna make it a career, if it’s just a hobby someone should be allowed to be as bad as they want.

[@KariMaxsoulreapergoddess]

@@askinredroads5132 LOL this is a two year old comment but my point still stands. You're allowed to be bad but this is about furthering your art. If you don't have what it takes that is what it is. Just like any other thing.

[@edizgunes]

Ok

[@Greennoob2]

that's pretentious. it's not your choice to say who has what it takes to be an artist. That's a personal decision and the art world is built up in that way. It's cruel to try making that choice for someone yet all too normalised in the art world

[@KariMaxsoulreapergoddess]

@@Greennoob2 Anyone can be an artist. But if you aren't serious about it make it a hobby. I've been drawing for a while so I know what I'm talking about

[@Astavyastataa]

"Maybe you don't want to draw big, muscular men-" Excuse me? *poses angrily*

[@aeroanosupremo]

Menacing intensifies

[@manan-lol]

Ho? You're approaching me? DIO?

[@marcoanimacoes5690]

@@manan-lol the one who said that was actually DIO but i can't beat your shit out of you without getting any closer

[@cometaHavoc]

AYAYAYYYYY

[@lizardfishbird]

See, my problem was this. I had the background in color theory, perspective, etc. I was excellent at realism and drawing from both life and photos. I started drawing anime because I WANTED to. I didn’t do it for in-class assignments, but that didn’t stop my art teacher from stopping me after class and telling me that I was “too good” to be drawing anime after she saw it in my sketchbook. Like damn, woman, let me have my fun, shitty cartoons

[@edizgunes]

"Too good to draw anime" XDXDXDXDXD legendary animators like James Baxter also worked at Adventure Time to draw a goofy weird horse so its a dumb statement 👏👏👏

[@Foogi9000]

Should've shown her ANYTHING by Kentaro Miura

[@-Teague-]

@@Foogi9000 I was about to say lol

[@-Teague-]

Wait till she sees Akira lol

[@DEADRKGK]

Thank you so much for this video, you said so many things I've been trying to explain for ages. Definitely deserves more views for young artists. I was stubborn in middle school with drawing assignments without adding an "anime" or cartoon style to it because I wasn't really taking it to heart that art classes were for improvement and getting out of your comfort zone... Ever since I studied those things separately I had improved on my art MAJORLY. A lot of people seem to do anime art as a sort of crutch. If they watch a lot of anime they're sure to find comfort in drawing anime, especially "sad boy facing left bust". That's completely fine for learning, but they don't try to push out of comfort zones to improve and that's why their art always stays at a "standard" level. I feel like if something like perspective is taught then they'll try to go out of that comfort zone and experiment, but that's something that's usually only brought up in art class. Young artists have a lot of potential, but you brought up so much that they never understood and explained it perfectly. They should honestly show this in classes.

[@worldhello1234]

"I was stubborn in middle school with drawing assignments without adding an "anime" or cartoon style to it because I wasn't really taking it to heart that art classes were for improvement and getting out of your comfort zone" There is no comfort zone, just things you are feeling comfortable with. Being enthusiastic about it helps to git gud, which means to improve. You make a fuss about a ostensible comfort zone that ostensibly is mutual exclusive to improvement. Which is not the case, unless you are a masochist who improves by suffering. Public "education" is actuallly the opposite of a healthy learning environment because you are forced to attend.

[@DEADPOOL9AND]

Red Phoenix "There is not a comfort zone, just things you're feeling comfortable with" It's almost like a comfort zone is exactly that.

[@greyh0und76]

Things you are feeling comfortable with = comfort zone. A comfort zone is a place or situation in which one feels at ease (or comfortable). You claim that comfort zones do not actually exist, but it could not be more real in your definition of the word. As a note, the repetition of the word ostensible in your second sentence in the second paragraph makes your sentence tedious. The comfort zone itself is not mutually exclusive to improvement, rather the person who enjoys said comfort zone. Getting out of one's comfort zone is not exactly suffering. Yes, it may be difficult, but doesn't that prove the existence of a matter of comfort in one's life? Not many people enjoy suffering, as being a masochist dictates. Without hardship, one will not improve. In another comment in this same section, you claimed that you could improve writing, without knowing proper grammar, by writing an unsatisfactory story and the improving. How does one improve without knowing the basics of their medium? Hardship. Suffering. Or, they could take the easy way and just learn the fundamentals. Now, your point on public education is a bit narrow-minded. While I agree that the American education system is not a completely healthy one, it is not due to children being forced to attend. If a child did not have to go to school, would they? No. Children do not yet understand the importance of learning, and need to be forced into it to learn. Without this, our society would be a lot more uneducated than it is now. Homeschooling is an even worse option for children, as they do not get out of their home. This will create a comfort zone with them, as learning is often associated with where one does the learning. Once the kids go off to college (a school that adults are not forced to go to, but those who do not often lack the right experience for their abilities), the dramatic shift in tone and area will be confusing. Back to the original point, children need to learn, ergo, they need to go to school. No bratty 10-year-old will want to go learn math, but later in life, she'll be thankful she did, because she wants to go into computer programming. In denouement, no, the public education system is not toxic based on forcing children to learn, and comfort zones exist and should not keep people in a bubble.

[@acdenton5726]

YOu remind me of the thing that will never be

[@insaneclownponies9599]

Why the fuck am I even here? I don't even do art. I just doodle when bored, but this guy's still interesting to listen to.

[@MattiasPilhede]

Welcome wanderer

[@insaneclownponies9599]

ty bb

[@randomstranger_3]

Same here. But before I was here, I do remember watching a video where the art teacher hated her for using anime art style for her art project.

[@granpaNurgle]

If the big problem here is anatomy - then one could just reference/study from artists who display an understanding of such, no? Anime/Manga aesthetic is pretty much solely determined by the facial features imo... exaggerated, cartoonish eyes, simple nose & mouth, etc. This *is* sort of inherent to the style. What *isn't* inherent to the style is bad anatomy - there are hundreds, thousands of artists on twitter and pixiv who create "anime art" with perfect anatomical knowledge. Then there's Hentai artists... some of whom possess an exceptional understanding of anatomy, for obvious and unsurprising reasons. So... the problem is twofold: picking bad anatomical references (or refusing to learn anatomy in general), and relying on "anime face" in *complete* lieu of learning proper layout. To be honest, I think these two things can be easily remedied when paying attention. Good video btw!

[@bodaciousbroski8150]

100% true. my "anime art" was friggin horrible until i started taking advice from my art teacher lmao now its at least half decent. It looks human and not...whatever the frick it used to be XD

[@DamienZshadow]

My computer graphics teacher I had in high school saw my anime sketches and said, "and you call yourself an artist?!" My life drawing teacher in college opened class with a general announcement, "let me be clear. I don't like anime." But it was my animations professor in college that said, "listen, there are some really important tricks that will make whatever style you use look amazing. Check this comparison out. Oh, by the way. Everything is sacks and sticks. EVERYTHING." lol

[@MrCmon113]

DamienZshadow Functional programming: Everything is a function. OOP: Everything is an object. Maths: Everything is a set. Physics: Everything is a spacetime phenomenon.

[@bilibull1]

Feminists: Everything is sexist.

[@nickpurcell8615]

I don’t believe in this comment

[@Tasorius]

People who hate certain styles, and will force that upon others, shouldn't be art teachers.

[@dagaminking8272]

@@bilibull1 lol

[@personalglow]

THIS!!! Just really quickly, i agree 100% with this. i self taught myself the anime style but they came out as bobble heads at first, the proportions got better but the bodies were still wrong. And all the while i only drew woman. It wasn't till i sucked it up and started learning real human and animal anatomy did my drawings improve. Thanks to that, once i actually took an art class, i quickly became the best artist in the class.

[@haziqlaa]

meanwhile my friend: draw jojo teacher: hey that pretty good

[@roamoray]

Jojo art style is distinct enough from regular anime art style for the teacher to not recognize it, its also big muscular men

[@agent_9110]

The faces are not real

[@roamoray]

@UCwPc44138G-8u6MzmpjRE0A It's a anime djfgdbsd

[@SoulBro12]

@@roamoray I love the JoJo artstyle it's quite motivating to look at since it's one of the few manga artstyles that are pretty inconsistent and that's a good thing, look up the most recent part "JoJolion" the mangaka stated that he uses sculptures and fashion magazines as references for his manga and JoJolion feels like a step to that direction

[@crosswire7777]

I was getting A's in art but my teacher got mad at me because I kept skipping class. I felt offended he ridiculed me in front of the class so in protest I skipped the rest of the year. Finished highshool with missing art credits and had to take it in an adult learning centre to officially graduate. And you know what? Now when I think about it, all these years later, ever since then, in the back of my consciousness I know where I went wrong. I regret not having invested everything I had into bitcoin, so I could pull up in a ferrari next to my art teacher and tell him he was wrong.

[@Coffee-ii6yg]

crosswire7777 Here I thought it was a life lesson. The outcome was even greater. xD

[@Acceleration50]

lol

[@erikaitsumi7198]

crosswire7777 dat bitcoin is always the answer

[@aaerondight5163]

could have been prorevenge worthy...

[@hrgrhrhhr]

oh ok

[@Justin_Joy]

It is possible to draw big muscular men and anime at the same time

[@esme2897]

It's me DIO

[@Azrielfiend]

yes

[@willkemp984]

JOOOOOJOOOOOOOOO

[@trinity5203]

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJOOOOO

[@sweetberries4611]

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@natasha-ye2ry]

"but it's my style" is the new "born in the wrong generation"

[@kittyfox123]

nat // #thankyouWG Haha! Yes!!

[@meowskit]

nat // #thankyouWG hahhahahhah yes.

[@voronikakakamonga849]

nat // #thankyouWG Hahaha yes

[@Peteru69]

It's been like that for the past 20 years.

[@ayesha_h]

lol

[@nickolias7292]

I saw this video around the time it came out. Back then, I agreed with your ideas. But now, I can only say that I'm glad my art teacher never told me to not draw anime. Because I drew those thousand bad anime drawings. And even though they didn't follow the fundamentals, even if they weren't pleasant to look at, even when I myself knew they were bad drawings, *I enjoyed drawing them*. What I never enjoyed was having to practice in a specific way in order to improve my art. I did things my way, and it was fun. The proudest I've ever been of myself was when I drew something around a year ago, then I stepped back to look at it and could confidently say that I liked what I had drawn.

[@MattiasPilhede]

I think that's good. I think it's unreasonable to be too heavy minded towards fundamentals, or to always prioritize studying over making your own art. I think I regret that about this video now, that it seems to suggest there is a single way to approach art, when in reality it's a very personal journey.

[@Moosepartyforever]

I dont know how to feel about your view. Coming at it from a music standpoint, I did the same thing as you. Noodling around and just doing my own thing trying to imitate stuff i liked. It wasn't until I started learning some basic music theory and fundamentals that my skill in my hobby ascended over a summer of studying tremendously. I understand where you're coming from but I disagree with your stubborn mindset.

[@uboa8060]

​@@Moosepartyforever Mostly agreed. I think what most people don't get about "creativity" is that being creative is just your ideas. How you put that idea on paper is where skill comes from, because drawing and creating music is more of a system than people tend to realize. There's tried and true ways that people have invented over hundreds of years. Learning from them and deviating from that path is where a style comes from.

[@Karachsingstrue]

MUH STYLE.

[@worldhello1234]

In your case it is "MUH TROLLING" ;)

[@ThierryRocksTV]

MUH LIFESTYLE DETERMINE'S MUH DEATH STYLE

[@drawberry_jam]

MUH STAHL**

[@khorps4756]

+Red Phoenix I hate how people like you mistake joking as trolling. please don't fuck up again

[@adventuringwolf8517]

anythingnew So you be tellin' me we wuz kaings (artists) n' shiet.

[@pretendsushi2929]

I just wanted to thank you for making this video, not for teaching me a lesson (I never drew much anime in art class, I think I just submitted like one drawing of Deidara for an assignment and I applied a lot of techniques that I'd learnt over the years) but more for explaining some of the fundamentals of art, and ESPECIALLY for the resources at the end. By just watching a few of those videos, the quality of my art has improved drastically (though it does take longer to make) I finally see real progress in my art. Thank you

[@VfxBlender]

Art is like music if you learn principles before fun you will generally have neither because you won't stick with it long enough. You learn priciples to grow but determine to explore and then go back to affirm it. Discovery is your friend, and priciples are your accelerator.

[@Merrybandoruffians]

Absolutely. I hate the “gatekeeperism” and snobbery that a lot of artists (especially art teachers) seem to perpetuate. Many people begin drawing anime because it is accessible in our current culture - for many people, anime is their first introduction to art, so they emulate and are drawn to it (pun intended). Besides, If art is self expression, Who is anyone to tell someone else what is the “right” way? I swear, many artists are way too pretentious. I firmly believe that a lot of becoming a good artist isn’t about blindly following procedure and learning the “rules” - for most people, real growth occurs when they are left alone and allowed to just figure things out on their own.

[@donnywhisnu7995]

Merrybandoruffians I like your point but I heavily disagree with your second paragraph. Self-expressionism is a terrible excuse of not learning the fundamentals. There's a very big and important difference between making something look in a certain way *fully knowing it is a conscious decision, maybe fueled by your desire to express your feelings* and *making something because you just don't know how it actually looks and decides to freehand it* . And it. Will. Show. This is what is called stylization, people exaggerating certain aspects of a drawing with the intention of creating a certain effect. Also your last sentence is biased and baseless. A 30 minute tour around Deviantart will very clearly show you that no, most people cannot effectively re-evaluate their own works and learn from that. Sure, it's easy to do and doesn't take a genius to pull off, but the fact is that there are still *lots* of people stuck in stagnation drawing the same things with the same misleading symbols for years.

[@SparkHomeschool]

As a teacher I found myself wondering exactly why I was so annoyed at seeing so much Anime from my students, especially since I love kids’ art! Thank you for giving me the words. You’ve pinpointed it. Now I’m better equipped to have that conversation and continue to encourage my students without crushing their spirits

[@SturFriedBrains]

So I'm in college rn, and my storyboarding prof is like hot shit in the animation industry apparently. He worked for Disney in the like 60's when he was 15, he's entirely self-taught & he's been doing it for like forever & he makes his living entirely on independent contracts & teaching animation. He believes drawing for animation and drawing for art are two entirely different things and he laments the fact that the college won't let him teach the former (he also does professional set art for plays and he enjoys painting as a hobby). He said there's a major engagement problem that comes with learning art drawing that isn't healthy & can prevent potentially great animators from reaching their potential because they hate it. I think he's right, you can learn a lot from art principles, but really, if you're not in it to be the best, if you're in it to just express yourself, what's the problem with learning slower?

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

I agree as well, drawing for animation is patently different from drawing for stills... On the same note, drawing stills (poses/landscapes) is different from illustration (comics/storyboarding). In any case, animation methods should at least be perused in any worthwhile art class (above middle school anyway). Even with the inherent differences, being animation is a production process and "traditional" drawing forms are singularly oriented, both mediums qualify as art categorically. However, your professor shouldn't be so much frustrated at the prospect of steering potential animators away for the drudgery of studying other art. Instead, he should possibly look to ways of urging them toward (even extra-curricular projects) that would appeal to their more production oriented attitudes and talents. Maybe you could suggest something helpful... ...like after school (or further outside) animation or comics building projects and teams...

[@RosetheToad]

SturFriedBrains Dang. Send your prof my way up in WA at DigiPen. We embrace animation. Maybe he actually has friends here from the industry. :D

[@lucianocastrogiovanni2879]

You are mixing two different things. The video is talking about the "anime" style, a style used in japanese animated shows and also in non-animated japanese art. The problem here is that you are confusing the "anime" style with *actual* animation, which is a step further. Teachers are not stopping students from drawing animation in this case and neither are the students in case drawing animation themselves either. Animation requieres the elements of movement, they are not still images by themselves they are a set of still images in succession that create the illusion of movement. That's a *completely* different thing from drawing still images in the style of "anime". So you are way off topic with what you just proposed. Your teacher is talking about the relationship between ANIMATION and STILL art, not between the art school and anime styles. When a student draws a single image in the style of anime, he isn't drawing animation. If he instead was drawing successive images to then show case them as in a flip note, or trying to assess the movement between two images whether they be "anime" stylized or not, is a different matter that is NOT being discussed here. Your teacher was in no way speaking about the topic of the video, nor about anime style, he was talking about straight up animation. Furthermore the statement about expressing themselves is moot, regardless of everything else. When you are on the real world nobody is gonna stop you from drawing just to express yourself and that's not what teachers are stopping you from doing. When you are in art *class* there is a given objective that you must complete, it's not a "time to draw whatever I want for leisure" kind of thing, you are there to learn the rules, and improve in the manner the school or teachers decide to take for you. No school or teacher should just step back and let things flow however they fucking want because they aren't supervising kids in the school yard on their free time, he is leading a class which he should be teaching. There will be plenty of time for the student to express themselves in their leisure time, and those pieces of art are not graded, approved or disapproved by your teacher.

[@camilleons]

TL;DR

[@Kensuke0987]

While animation and illustration are two different fields, most often, when you're doing work in animation, you have to do in-betweens or keyframes. Both of these responsibilities benefit a lot from knowing the fundamentals, particularly, with perspective and anatomy. Composition can be applied to storyboarding and/or directing. (please feel free to correct me if my terms are wrong because I had never been an art student) Your prof probably studied in university at a time when animation academia was in its infancy, so he's right about old principles holding back an aspiring animators. But he very likely had learned in the traditional ways of art which made him as proficient as he is now - and only in his knowledge (and experience) that he can judge what might have been beneficial and not to an animator. One may not be in it to be the best, but I think it's only proper to go through the disciplines of a (traditional) artist if he must want to be able to express himself freely. (in my experience, being ignorant and unskilled holds me back from properly expressing myself)

[@hunterzenlith6885]

While I do draw in an anime style I would never and I mean NEVER use it in an art project.

[@TwinkiesPiano]

Hunter Zenlith same, I only draw anime at home 😂

[@sevenproxies4255]

Galahandhi: Uh, yes they do. A book won't teach you everything. Practical experience and the help from a trainee set of eyes will.. Like you should get in an art class.

[@hunterzenlith6885]

Ryley Parret: There's no problem being able to draw in different styles. The real world wants more people to work in a more anime style, just look at video game concept art. But drawing something realistically made drawing something like anime much easier. (Well for me it did) Galahandhi: The project is only with the teacher for 15 minutes and during that time they write down all criticisms and they give it back to you. Also saying art classes don't help you is a bit of a broad term, saying that a class like color theory doesn't even help you in art is really dumb. I also have anatomy books and have taken classes like AP biology and an anatomy class. Sometimes a person learn better by actually doing something than by reading it. Also in an art class you don't have to buy the canvases and drawing boards, which if you practice a ton like how I do it gets really expensive if you have to buy all the materials. But if you feel that way there's not really anything I can do about. Different stroke for different folks I guess.

[@sarcosmic6982]

Er, saying you don't have to buy the art supplies for class isn't entirely accurate for anything besides mandatory school. I had to buy all my paper, sketchbooks, art supplies, giant clipboard, and other supplies for my community college art classes. All they really supplied were the easel and still life props (drawing class), live models (figure drawing class), and Cintiqs/drawing programs (animation class). 😂

[@hunterzenlith6885]

Oh sorry I was talking about high school classes, but yeah in college you still have to buy everything. Should have been more clear on that.

[@trainingwheelstunes9847]

I haven't ever drawn Anime or Manga not because my art teacher hates it or me, I love anime and Japanese culture all together. But I love using all types of art in my style, I'm not perfect but I'm learning. My style has combinations of cartoon art and semi realism, it has helped me grow as an artist. ❤️

[@ahlbiurgaid3477]

Training Wheels Tunes Woah! Someone just like me!

[@breadsticks2202]

Training Wheels Tunes wow..dude I feel the same way...I was drawing some anime and my teacher literally threw my Art away, and I did learn anatomy!!!

[@windowpane7841]

Training Wheels Tunes minr is mosly cartoons and comics on paper

[@HansBjorgman]

+VeryCool Name You should kick your teacher where it hurts most.

[@breadsticks2202]

ayano aishi I was put...in a very unsettling school

[@smolbb713]

Teacher: Draw a muscular naked man Me: draws the Pillar Men Teacher: ...

[@marcoanimacoes5690]

Eventually , teacher stopped thinking

[@platinumchromee3191]

AYAYAYAYYY Awaken,my masters!

[@kratosthegodofwar6989]

As Justin Y. said once: It's called hentai. And it's art.

[@rogeliomeza4314]

it was stanley from the office

[@nathandoesstuff2277]

@@rogeliomeza4314 I see you're a man of culture aswell

[@laycebug3260]

Kratos The God of War you suck because it came from the office not some dumb internet troll

[@mr.catman3122]

@@laycebug3260 Justin.Y didint say this, BUT i don't think hes a dumb internet troll, i mean he spended alot of time on the internet to comment, and i think thats incredible. Of course thia is only my opinion, but i think i will stick by it. ^^ also sorry for the spelling mistakes, im kinda bad at spelling in english ;_;

[@laycebug3260]

Ann Animatics yeah u make a good point, he's pretty dedicated to what he does

[@Awesomepedia]

BUT IT'S MY STYLE

[@valentine93]

Awesomepedia style isn't a thing. interest is though.

[@Awesomepedia]

I mean my comment was a bad joke but I disagree.

[@Peteru69]

*breathing intensifies*

[@Thesshyglaceon-wc6oi]

Muh styl* XDDDD

[@chimpsley]

*I'M THE 666 LIKE*

[@FumiTheSillyGirl]

and drawing JoJo is both muscular men and anime

[@oxyacidal5102]

Man, just imagine drawing anime and out of nowhere your art teacher is like: "Oh wait, isn't that from....."

[@hadley2501]

I loved the way that this video was articulated, and I agree with the message being portrayed here. On that note, I do want to mention that while it is very important that new/young artists learn the basic fundamentals of art, it would be near impossible to get a young kid (I'm thinking as young as the 4th grade to middle school) to learn anatomy, poses, still life, etc and still feel passionate about art. Almost every artist that I know-who started off young- started because they watched a piece of media and loved it enough to want to draw it. Things like anime, cartoons are what grabs the attention of kid artists and makes them want to pursue it. And by the time they get old enough, they most likely aren't as interested in anime as they used to and are focused on learning the real basic rules of art-some of which, they may have already learned by drawing anime! So you can't necessarily blame young artists for starting off on the wrong path-because the right one is 'too adultish' for them. I agree in the notion that teachers should include real art lessons to enrich a students skills, but putting an entire crackdown on anime as a whole wouldn't help a kid, it would either bore them into quitting or discourage them enough to stop. What I'm saying here is that 1) Ya can't blame kids for drawing anime, and 2)Definitely feed them the rules, but in a slow and steady manner, lest you overfeed and overwhelm them. Besides that, awesome video, and I'm really glad that a good content creator in the art community got the coverage he deserved. :)

[@TeegMonkey]

This video needs waayyy more views. People need to know that realism is extremely helpful to your growth as an artist, and I wish I had learned that sooner

[@HEXcrimson]

I sat down and drew large muscular anime men with muscular fruit. *cough**cough* _jojo.._

[@HEXcrimson]

@Salivar Ravilas *_KILLER QUEEN DAISANO BAKUDAN BITES ZA DUSTO_*

[@Azrielfiend]

HEX[crimson] *explosions*

[@saoking2552]

JoJo's art style is terrible.

[@Azrielfiend]

Sao Is best nice joke

[@saoking2552]

@@Azrielfiend no

[@bugrilyus]

Once I said my art teacher "this is my style" he replied "you have no style"

[@bugrilyus]

@Beanie Demon No, clearly you lack basics.

[@bugrilyus]

@Beanie Demon You werent agreeing with me. I was just criticizing the people who says "this is my style" with my similar experience that I came to realization my teacher was correct. I was a newbie at the time and thinking that my techniqueless amateurish ways of doing things was a "style". Stick figures are not a style. It is just the simplification of reality.

[@imjusttrin9900]

this is off topic but bugrilyus you do not seem like a pleasant person fam 😐😐😐

[@bugrilyus]

@Beanie Demon No.

[@bugrilyus]

@@imjusttrin9900 Truth hurts. Deal with it.

[@AnimeChibi2b]

But most teachers never tell you that stuff. They just act like a bunch of asshats. Like why bother restricting someone if you're not going to explain. I had a teacher who hates anime but never really stopped anyone from drawing it...unless the assignment was specially realism or recreating a master painting. We drew anime to annoy him but he was a chill teacher thankfully. We were always joking

[@ToastyBrain]

GoingGh0st My teacher was chill, hell he never had a problem with me doing Sonic art, he loved it.

[@weebjeez]

You see, there's a few different types of art teachers. I was lucky to have a pair which were in total opposition. One, Douglas, was a big lotto winner, who put his entire paycheck back into the program (because, obviously, he didn't need the money), buying supplies and shit which the school wouldn't shell out for. Some of which he would use to make art alongside the students. He loved art and artists, and would actually have conversations about art like what's suggested in the video. The other, Cunningham, was the wrestling team's coach. He just hand-waved any art you showed to him and said "this is good" "This is bad" and never gave feedback. He didn't do any art of his own, because he didn't know how and/or wasn't confident in it. He would also forget to fire students' pottery projects until they got brittle and fell apart (bye bye Cubone Cookie Jar and so many others) I had Douglas for 3 years before his dad got real sick, and he resigned from teaching to take care of him full time. But that man's words and zest for art spoke to me on a fundamental level, and now, technically, I do art for a living.

[@jadeuwu9860]

mine's a weebou, she teaches us to draw anime :p

[@eevee2Glacia]

While I do agree with the core message of this video- learn the rules before you can break them- this argument is very much based in the ideology that the teacher will be reasonable about communicating this to their students, and while you acknowledge that most of the time they aren't exactly getting their point across... This video feels more like a lecture towards students and seems to agree more with teachers. I don't think it's fair for students to be told 'anime is bad and you shouldn't draw it' because that statement in of itself is very ignorant. Most art teachers who say this don't understand that most artists who have styles similar to anime learned the fundamentals first, and are simply passing it off as something for children when animators work extremely hard to get into the position they're in. If they understood this, then they should be able to see merit in their students drawing stylized art work. They should also see that anime may have been their students first look into the art world and they're simply trying to imitate what led them into their classroom in the first place. Another thing- the fundamentals are something you need to practice at constantly, and having that as a blockade/goal post for 'being good enough to draw anime' can be a detrimental thought process. Some people will never think they're good enough with the fundamentals and will never be able to branch out their creativity like they wanted to as a result. It may even cause them to stop doing art all together which is an awful thing to cause. If I'm perfectly honest? I believe instead of discouraging students- teachers should encourage them to study fundamentals alongside doing stylization. That way they'll be able to see their stylization improve while learning how to draw based on the world around them. It'll give them an inherent appreciation for the fundamentals but also allow them to have fun, not to mention this will improve artist self esteem greatly.

[@ragejinraver]

Kids have been shoving anime in there art teachers face for over 20 years . It's beyond boring and cliche to them . And the reality is no matter how good you get at drawing anime you will never grow as an artist and reach your true potential in the West

[@theatheistbear3117]

ragejinraver Ok, that’s bullshit. Anime requires a lot of work to get right, and it isn’t locked into a single style. Shonen look really different from Shojo. Even among Shonen themselves the art looks different from artist to artist. This is not even covering Berserk, Vagabond or Blade Of The Immortal, which all have a very realistic art style. And never gaining your true potential is a lie. Anime has become mainstream, sites like Webtoon and other companies are actually hiring people that draw Anime. Working as a freelancer is also an option, as comissions are all over the place. Besides, drawing is something YOU yourself do because it makes you happy and is rewarding, everything else is secondary.

[@ragejinraver]

@@theatheistbear3117By reading your comment yes you're definitely some kid probably still in Middle School . Let me give you a little reality check when it comes to art schools in Japan. You are not going into an art school in Tokyo learning how to draw manga . The arts schools in Japan are just like the art schools over here in America . You have to learn how to draw from real life and learn about the anatomy first. Drawing manga is a style you need to learn the basics of art and drew from real life first before you can move on the style . This is exactly why people who draw manga especially in the US go absolutely nowhere with their art . you need to get out of this little fantasy world that you created for yourself. If I had to get a reality check about this so do you .

[@theatheistbear3117]

ragejinraver I’m actually 19, but thanks for the compliment. How old are you? No shit you need to draw from real life and anatomy. I never said that you shouldn’t. The thing is that ‘absolutely going nowhere’ isn’t the case. Like I said, they are all different styles, and can help you gain a better understanding how to exaggerate your arts while looking pleasing. Mangaka and Anime animators from japan actually recommend copying the art that you love to get an idea of how it’s done. This is really handy to draw pretty much anything. On top that, what you’re saying is pretty stupid regardless. It’s like saying that drawing dogs will make you go nowhere with your art. The problem lies with ONLY drawing Anime and nothing else. You could be great at drawing the face, but if your terrible at drawing the rest of the body it’ll look bad. You need to devide your skills. On the other hand, you also need to know your priorities. If your a character designer, you probably don’t need to draw landscapes that much. Also please change your wall of text to paragraphs. And don’t put a space between the words and the ellipsis. That’s be appreciated.

[@makoto_yuki7651]

TL;DR. I get it tho.

[@AleesaWeiss]

I thought this was going to be a mean-spirited video for young artists. I was wrong. Thank you for helping people to understand why teachers dislike the anime style.

[@TheMasterfulEmerld]

This video right here is exactly the reason why I spend the past 4+ years trying to search for a more authentic manga style. The problem is that most of the Japanese videos don’t necessarily follow basic construction, which meant that I still couldn’t grasp the concept even though they teach you how to do it. Of course, this is exactly what Naoki Saito warned me about (which I didn’t listen and the video is gone because the channel got nuked), and after all those years, I started watching the English videos that helped me improve my art progress. As of late, I still have a long way to go, but I plan on watching the Japanese videos later on as soon as I fully understand basic anatomy.

[@akirasaito1551]

I agree that we need to learn the rule before breaking them but when your teacher tell you you can draw anything you want for your assignment and then shun your art because it's too anime, then I have a problem. Many teachers don't even bother to tell you why they don't like it. They don't explain and their disdain might be stifling an artist's dream in its crib. I picked up drawing really young because of manga/anime so it's how I draw primarily, but I'm trying to branch out and gained an appreciation for all kinds of style. Manga was a gateway to the art world for me. Fortunately, my teacher never cared too much but every time I hear a story where a teacher show their dislike so clearly with no explanation, my blood boils.

[@ThornMage]

My art teacher told me that fantasy and sci fi art doesn't sell, reality does which is true in my state. Most people want hunting animals and football players and coaches. We had a great student whose art was very real. He drew Star Wars and Aliens. She told him to stop as well. She got after anyone who didn't draw reality. I would hate to see what she would say about anime if it was popular in the 90's.

[@threewiseman1]

Lol! When was that, exactly? Fantasy and Sci-Fi art may not sell in your particular state, but globally it's one of - if not the most - popular subjects of art in terms of revenue. If your art teacher is only selling art within her state, she's selling it wrong. One word - internet.

[@ThornMage]

threewiseman1 it was in the 90's.

[@arnold20139]

Amy Mears Jones She probably was the type that called 'a black dot on a white canvas' true art. Lol jk.

[@moomimi]

Amy Mears Jones In order to make fantasy and sci-fi characters believable, you first have to find a realistic character costumes that resembles that.

[@cestalia]

Holy sheet, sci-fi is hard to do. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT TEACHER

[@mrapplegate4065]

I think a very small number of art teachers that are critical of anime art are like the ones you describe here. I think it's a sad reality that many art teachers act strongly on their biases to clean out things that they do not like. I've had reviewers and teachers alike tell me that anime flat out isn't art - which is obviously false, because anything people choose to make is art. I agree with your warning against styles; however, it eschews one very important variable - there is nothing an art teacher can do to "make" a student start drawing observationally, outside of forcing them to do it. People have to opt into self-improvement. Yeah, a student wants to draw anime, and that's detrimental to their own growth. But it IS their choice. They'll come out on bottom for it, but one has to respect their choice to do that. Conversely students who choose to study realism will improve. Students deserve that choice because it allows them to become proactive instead of simply listening to what other people tell them to do.

[@superlimeapple]

I think the best phrase here wouldn't be "dont draw anime" but "dont just draw anime"

[@PoboiDraws]

That’s actually a really smart way of putting it