WiiM Pro: 10 more thoughts AND an UH-OH 🌶

[@saulhyman479]

Haha, I'm happy to have provided the spicy moment and apologies for not paying full attention to your first video about hooking up a TV!

[@davetester100]

What's the best doorstop of 2022?

[@DarkoAudio]

Haha! All of them.

[@davetester100]

@@DarkoAudio Can we a review please!

[@fonkenful]

I’m sure Sith Audio has something for y’all to look at😂

[@labalo5]

Ordered 3 of them. Man they work!

[@hk3d]

I had one on each of my desktop speakers Yamaha NS-10mm just after John introduce these to us.

[@TheWkd111]

Just a quick note to say thank you, I like these follow-ups and I know they take time to make but it is appreciated.

[@carolineleonard8214]

I love that you are getting 70k views in such a short time frame. A testament to the quality of your work and the respect in which you are held. Thank you Mr JD.

[@Chris.from.1950]

... and John Darko is still my favorite KZbin audio reviewer of 2022! 🔥🔥🔥

[@JuanHisgen]

We love you Bro!!! Thanks for the videos

[@patrickvanderhyde]

I run my wiim mini as a Alexa shared speaker combo with my Echo Show. I'm limited to HD (CD) quality doing this because that is the max quality of the Echo Show BUT.. i get a great visual showing music playing and the lyrics (when available) from the show on a small device on my shelf. Note - you need to set up a Alexa group that includes both the WIIM Mini and the Echo Show to make this work. For someone that doesn't want a TV in my living room but wants a bit of cover art to display with music, this is a great setup. Thanks to John for turning me on to the WIIM Mini earlier this year. I love mine.

[@ch33psk8]

Thank you for your follow up John, Chrome casting and hardwire sold it for me. Special edition includes remote. And collectors edition includes a doorstop from 1998 even tho product wins best for '22 Happy holidays, hope you get to down tools for a bit.

[@kevinperlic2920]

I find that a brass doorstop has a warmer sound and a wider soundstage.

[@thethirdman225]

😂 That’s actually pretty funny. I get better results out of a $1,000 doorstop than a $5 one, don’t you?

[@mikelanier5617]

Thanks John, really appreciate the time and effort you put into making these videos. Had just bought the mini and needed to know the difference in the Pro 👏

[@ceecee130x]

The best thing about having your own show is that you get to call the shots... call it "my favorite ??? I used this year that you can still buy". Then everyone is happy. Thanks for sharing your musical/audio enjoyment journey with us, with sensible advice. It's much appreciated in the sea of gear pushers.

[@bryandelph3221]

Thanks for the follow up, John. I put together two small systems for my niece and nephew utilizing a Wiim Mini as the streamer into a Schitt Modi+ DAC. I tested one of the systems beforehand and was very impressed. I have 4 Bluesound Nodes (various vintages) in the house and a Roon Nucleus/Linn Selekt for my main system, but will also be building a small headphone system around a Wiim Mini. I’m not sure the Wiim Pro adds much for me. Happy Holidays and keep up the good work.

[@dougcampbell2814]

Love your follow up videos, a nice way to fill in with extra information if needed. Thanks much!

[@AaranCM]

A quick late note on the TV optical delay. I've tried TV } optical } WiiM pro } coaxial } amp with no delay on a crappy techwood TV, no latency correction. (Maybe a recent update corrected the problem for anyone who is still curious)

[@AaranCM]

Sorry wasn't the crappy techwood but a 5 year old hd Samsung. So that could possibly have lip sync correction. Ill book that Uber now.

[@offyourface69]

Or could be that there isn’t the 2nd DAC conversion going on

[@dannymunroe6996]

Greetings Mr Darko, YOU ARE THE MAN...Love you video's,keep up the good work.

[@TorToroPorco]

The level of software support and level of streaming source compatibility is quite impressive. My most negative experience with Chinese audio products has primarily been poor software quality and lack of updates to fix bugs or implement new features. For most consumers the usability factor often outweighs considerations for sound quality especially when it comes at a higher cost.

[@HarriGary1]

I have a wiim mini going into an external dac going into a headphone app. The other night Iwas watching KZbin videos on my phone, connected to the mini via Bluetooth. I had the lag/delay issue you described with the TV.

[@stevekean8254]

Gave this a shot as a streamer only in my mid tier system (around $2k-$3k per component) against an original Orchard Audio PecanPi, Allo Signature Raspberry Pi with Allo Shanti power supply, and an original Bluesound Node. With its stock wall wort the Wiim Pro came in 4th sounding more constrained and congested than the others and I wouldn't recommend it for any level system other than very low end non-critical listening systems. However, add the Allo Shanti power supply and it vaults right to the top equaling the Allo Signature with Shanti. For around $350 it's definitely a value keeper in that configuration.

[@addictedtocardmagic]

Thanks for this - exactly what I was looking for cheers

[@andremaia2730]

Would love to hear your thoughts on a direct comparison with the bluesound node!

[@andyhart5669]

A few comments on latency. There is an option in settings to sync audio. When you click on it, there is an option to autosync or do it manually. I only use mine for music, not connected to TV so haven't tested it. It may do the trick.

[@drsuppan]

Thank you for the Wiim reviews. I just ordered the Pro for only one reason. I am sick of bad Naim software including wicked firmware updates and would like to reduce the Naim NDX to its DAC function. It’s at least worth a try. Cheers from NZ

[@richardruskin3571]

Regarding the latency problem you experienced using a tv as a source, many tvs have a "lip sync" or delay setting in the audio menu. On another thought, Ive been in the AV business for over 40 years and have an older analog based Linn system. I tried a Node and was not happy with the OS. I'm intrigued by the WIIM pro. I am currently not streaming and am thinking of using one of these, based on your review. While at some point I will need a "real" DAC, I'm currently not interested in spending a lot, as I've been disappointed by the sound quality of most so called "Hi Res" music. Love your channel from the US,, Cheers

[@pfad]

Naim Audio Connection - Thank you for this very interesting review. I'm relatively new to streaming and have been researching the addition of a streamer into my Chord Desktop DAC, Naim 52 preamp, Supercap and 135 mono blocks. Historically it was crucial to pay attention to every component in a system. Im sure this is still the case but was curious if the internal DAC won't be used in the streamer, how crucial then is it to go mid price point for a streamer to offer compatibility with the current amplification DAC set up. or in this case go for a budget streamer as a front end control component with the focus quality wise on the DAC amps, speakers, cables etc. Thank you John for a very informative and professional site / channel.

[@bolobos]

How does the wiim compare to the pi with a hat. Specifically, the allo non signature.... If you don't mind. Thanks for all you do! Prayers and strength for your health

[@robertnelson3179]

I will often go to the notes below especially when you note it. But it is a bit of a hassle on the iPad here. Was thrown off a bit by your reference to RHCP need a button for that still 😂.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

HERE JOHN,TO SUPPORT YOUR CHANNEL AND I AM ENJOYING THE TRANSITIONS 🤗😎💚💚💚

[@jimlionberger685]

Would the wiim pro be an improvement over the newest Node playing through a Qutest? Is there much difference in the actual streaming component? Thanks!

[@michaelcraig2949]

with regards to the lip sync issue, I have a Wiim Mini and if you go into device settings there is an option to 'Sound sync' which you can manually or auto adjust your speakers timing. I haven't tried this as I don't use it as a DAC for my TV but it might fix the issue

[@amosperrine1909]

Love your vids, picked up the Wiim mini a few days ago to use with with the ARCAM irDAC that I have sitting around after upgrading to the Cambridge 851N for the main system.

[@MrOffTrail]

🌶Many TVs have an adjustable setting to re-synch audio and video to compensate for this kind of scenario, presumably by adding a slight delay to the video. Check your TV settings and see if you have a slider for this, and adjust it while watching someone speak.

[@DarkoAudio]

Yes. And this was explicitly mentioned in the video.

[@crashbot01]

I appreciate your feedback because it's very hard to test or gain sample equipment due to the direct sale nature many companies are taking. If there is a great product that is currently being produced and sold it should be considered for products available for the year.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

On the iPhone KZbin app you have to click ‘more’ two times to get to the full description with links. The video itself and ‘comments’ are the most prominent things, so that’s what I generally look at. If I wanted more detail I guess I would look for the longer description.

[@paulkhoo2402]

OMG, the Wiim Pro is brilliant. Thank You John for doing this review! The app is strangely similar to the blueOS ver which makes it superbly easy to use. For the first time, streaming music actually sounds great. Even the blueOS NAD C700 does not sound as good as my current streaming set-up: Wiim Pro > Chord M Scaler > Chord Quetest > Willstenton R amp.

[@wiltonlewis5369]

It's mid January 2023: any idea when the Pro is actually going to go on sale in UK?

[@stumied1588]

Hey John, great video with good remarks towards us watchers/subscribers. Now, I’ve only “discovered you” this year, so I haven’t watched all of you videos since you’ve started (and I can imagine very well that I’m not the only one). I’m mentioning this because with regards to the “what fits as a “something of a year whatnot”, perhaps an explanation on your reviewing process could help with why you review the products you do. Obviously, you can’t review everything, and seeing as you need to take things more slowly you really shouldn’t, but perhaps sharing why the Wiim products were reviewed but “random other 2022 product” didn’t? Also, as to pointing us to the description box, two points: I think more and more of us are watching KZbin on their TVs directly. There, the description box is nearly impossible to access, let alone read. That could explain why we don’t read it. And secondly, we (as simple human users of an interface) need a reason to perform an action, such as open up the description box. Although, yes, you do mention “more info in box below”, our simple monkey brains don’t automatically assume that ALL info of what is on screen (or beyond) will be in the description. When reviewing the Wiim, for example, I can assume most of us are expecting something like a link to Wiim product info or perhaps some specs in the description box, not information on a door stopper. Working in product management, we have to assume that our users think simpler than we initially expect them too, and often have to make things overtly obvious and we explicit before they understand. Just my thoughts though. Love the channel, great reviews, explanations and everything. Keep up the good work 👏👏👏👏

[@stumied1588]

And now, because you mentioned it in the video, and I just spent so much time writing a comment, I actually read the FAQ link in the description box, and I have half of my questions answered. But again, I wouldn’t have otherwise.

[@geoCow]

Love your hard work John. ❤. I am a big fan.

[@michaelekidwell3491]

and hello there! thank you for the wonderful programing/content. WHY do many viewers MISS THE DESCRIPTION BOX? maybe because it isn't labeled as "description box" and most have limited experience navigating around you tube. perhaps a worthy subject for a darko video short?

[@bartbarelds8454]

Got my Wiim mini and my Chord Mojo 2 today.. Yep awesome combo! Not sure yet the chord mojo 2 is a better sounding dac than my Hegel H90. Just wish i could switch of “auto shutdown” on the Mojo 2 as its behind the amp 😅

[@matusknives]

Brilliant, thank you!

[@gauravbhardwaj8760]

I think a lot of us miss your links in the description because we happen to be watching on android TVs.

[@Jason-mk3nn]

Or RokuTVs or AppleTV, etc. KZbin’s interface for TVs suck, although if you watch on a TV and connect with a tablet, it does give you the option to sync the two, allowing for seeing the collateral content. I wish KZbin would allow for a Pinning of a video that is watched on a television platform, for content purposes. Sorta like saving a video, but instead, saving the collateral content. Almost like a reading list, if that makes sense?

[@Jason-mk3nn]

Which brings up an idea. What if you flashed a qr code at the beginning or ending, or when you mention collateral content. That qr code could link back to the video, or to a web page that has all of the content. It is a bit of a workaround, but would allow and also prompt people to view the content alongside of your primary video content. Again, just an idea. I recognize the extra effort to do what I am talking about and maybe that is more trouble than it is worth. Just wanted to throw out the idea, though.

[@Tmy_Sem]

Can we hope to see a review of the matrix mini-i pro 3 soon? 🙂 Tommy.

[@LorDarkGoose]

I think part of the issue with the description box is KZbin's implementation of it. It's tiny and difficult to locate between all the ads and other buttons available. The other issue is that some people are just lazy and need to be told repetitively.

[@Zmeor]

Hi John, hope you're doing well. I think "favorite of the year" should be related to the year you are using it. Best of the year is mostly about the year it's released. No need to complicate it. I really appreciate your work and I've learned a lot from your videos. Cheers!

[@ericjenkins2737]

Will you be including your favorite albums of the year along with your equipment picks? My favorite for 2022 will likely end up being Bvdub & James Bernard - Departing In Descent which should be right up your alley.

[@masprofx]

On some yt implementations, mostly embedded like on older TVs or STBs there is no description box or comment section.

[@youtiagopinto]

Hi John. Big fan here. I’d just like to help you clarify why me (and maybe lots of us) don’t sometimes see the “description box below” is because I watch ALL of your videos on my TV where I cannot access said box. Again, thanks for your continued insightful, quality hard work (a hard work I could only wish for).

[@DarkoAudio]

Sure. I get that. But did you write the above comment on your TV?

[@youtiagopinto]

Haha, no. I like your sarcasm, as usual. Just trying to help.

[@miguelbarrio]

Followups are a great addition. Thx.

[@onlyoneme74]

Regarding being bit-perfect... it simply depends what someone means by being bit-perfect. If it's about no source resampling up to the resolution set on the digital output then yes, both are bit-perfect. If it's about being able to transfer decoded source stream to the DAC without any data alteration / corruption / being bit-2-bit equal to the source, answer is - rather not, possibly yes, depends on DAC possibilities.

[@Vedoughnut]

Amazon is now recommending to buy Wiim Pro with the Darko's infamous doorstopper! XD "Frequently bought together" Lmao

[@jhpadilla]

Thanks for the awesome video! Question: is the WiiM (either one) a good replacement for the Apple AirPort Express?? I use the AirPort to stream audio from my computer and cel phones to my Logitech Z625 speakers. Is the WiiM mini enough? Or should I go for the Pro? Thanks!

[@bwesseling1]

Is it possible to connect a turntable (through a phono preamp) to the Wiim Pro's line inputs, and output via AirPlay to a set of Homepods?

[@RGMDG]

Yes, I believe it is. I have my inexpensive turntable hooked up to it and output to the toslink to my RME DAC.

[@B2video]

You could never keep track of streamer performance with so many available and the ongoing software updates that improve or change functionality. Have a wiim Mini and love it .

[@OldClassic1951]

For all those looking for an absolutely affordable streamer/DAC combination my go-to solution is the Wiim Pro together with a Topping E30II, connected via coax. For less than 300 € it's an amazing soundquality and value for money.

[@goonerinSP]

Does the wiim pro connect to the dac via coaxial and then rca out of the dac into the amp? I have a rotel a11 tribute and I'm unsure on how to connect the wiim pro to my topping e30 and then into my amp. I'm still learning about this.

[@TheTrympeten]

yup!

[@mixedup5858]

is it wireless?

[@BradsHacks]

One way to encourage viewers to read the description more is to make it shorter and have less templated links that you paste in every description

[@brandonm8416]

Hi great review. Is the pro’s coax out for an external dac use vs the optical only of the mini not a key “audiophile” driver for going for the pro?

[@MoltenHelium]

I picked up the pro today… for my needs I could have gotten by with the mini.. though for future proofing I wanted the digital in for a tv later as well as the 512mb Ram.. seems more likely that it’ll be viable for a bit longer of a life.

[@scottengh1175]

Thanks for the update. I didn't order the WiiM mini on Black Friday/Cyber Monday because sale was thru Prime. Due to update, looked and Amazon has a $15 coupon so $74. And Discover Card has a $10 Amazon coupon. So, $64.

[@audiorick841]

If this gets Roon Ready, I will question the value of my Bluesound Nodes. If they get RR, will try it for sure.

[@wiimhome]

We're planning to have a Roon Ready beta version ready by end of Dec and be Roon Ready by Q1.

[@currykevuk]

Another informative video John. Unrelated but, I at 1st thought the picture behind you was the Eiffel Bridge in Girona, Spain. I now know I am wrong. Here is it to be found? Berlin?

[@martinmadsen_]

This is my budget exactly its interesting. Do you know a good budget dac for it? The rest of my stereo is a vintage reciver (jvc 4vr 5456x) The dac I use today is a a old rotel and it only goes up to the 44.1 quality In short do you know a budget dac to match the wiim pro?

[@OlllyFS]

To answer John's comment about link boxes, it very much depends on what platform you view the video from.. if for example your using KZbin app on something like a fireTV device.on your smart TV - it's not really possible to find the "linked comments" - on a laptop it's easy.

[@greengadget4687]

Got my mini early from France, I'll definitely get the Pro to replace my Arylic streamer, Chromecast, Burr Brown DAC, Alexacast and toslink I/O- what a deal. Plus about a $100 less than upgrading to a new Arylic with a low-end ESS chip.

[@josephchamberlain3681]

I have the mini. If the pro had a USB out I was going to go for it, but I think I'll stay with the mini since they skipped USB.

[@xferme]

You need to take into account that companies plan releases for holiday gift season. So in my mind anything realesed in late 2022 qualifies for a 2023 product. More so if people don’t buy it on launch day.

[@stefanebersberger]

Thank you for your video! The WiiM Pro really caught my interest because of your review. I was wondering about the UPnP features. Would it be possible to stream/cast HiRes from the WiiM via UPnP to a UPnP renderer (Devialet Phantoms)? Right now I am using Audirvāna and LMS / iPeng with my Library and Qobuz.

[@johnh539]

To answer your question. I just looked at your "Information box" and the only reference to "dore stop" just takes you back to that point in the video and gives you no more promised information.

[@danwalkley304]

i purchased the Pro last week, i saw somewhere that it would decode DSD, up to 512, it doesn't, i don`t know if this is something they changed before production.. another reason was that i wanted the casting facility, so i could stream KZbin audio whilst watching a video, however, whatever i try in sync settings, the lip sync is miles out. also, the voice commands on the remote doesn't seem to work, after pressing the button and saying a command, the LED on the main unit just flashes red. other than that, i am quite pleased with the little thing!

[@18yearsoldnot]

You need to use AirPlay 2 or aptx ll Bluetooth if you have android for audio video sync

[@davidtull2388]

Simply state favorite this year and show what it was assessed against. People don’t care what year something was released, they just want to know what products to buy / avoid

[@gcahill51]

John, what is your go-to system? Your personal stereo system?

[@douggraham2700]

When I got my Pro yesterday, there was no detectable latency from SPDIF in to coax out. Today I noticed quite severe latency (I estimate about 500ms). I don't know what I did between yesterday and today to cause that to happen, but I did notice that using the app to switch from SPDIF in to Line In and then immediately back to SPDIF in solved the problem.

[@lucapersico8023]

Wimm will solvingthe problem updating firmware?

[@douggraham2700]

I reported this latency issue to Wiim support and they replied that it would be fixed in the next firmware release. And sure enough, since the Jan 4 4.8.503558 release, I have not noticed the issue. The release notes for that release say "Improvement - Reduce the Line-in/SPIDF-in latency to 20+ ms to improve A/V sync for TV audio". That doesn't sound exactly like the intermittent issue I was having, but close enough.

[@lucapersico8023]

@@douggraham2700 👍🏻

[@MrChow11]

​@@douggraham2700 So the latency issue is fixed then,to this day everything is okay? I was just planning to buy whim pro and now ive seen this video/comments, and its important to me to connect it to tv

[@douggraham2700]

@@MrChow11 I regularly use it connected to a TV with optical (and coaxial to a DX3 Pro+ DAC) and have not noticed any latency since they fixed it.

[@om3981]

Great vid. Any advice on how to fix volume control not working , Apple TV > hdmi to tv > opticial to WiiM > optical to Older Sonos bar Apple Volume controls stop working when connected in this manner

[@HappyJ]

On the remote, originally it was confusing as to if the remote would come with the WiiM Pro. On the WiiM website, forums, they clarify "the remote will be released in late Dec as the separate listing. We'll have two SKUs for Pro (with or without remote)." Hopefully, for us early adopters that purchased the pro now, there won't be a cost penalty to purchase the remote when released. On latency, if you are watching KZbin on a fireCube using the WiiM Pro for sound, I will check when my WiiM Pro arrives, I think you can adjust to sync sound and video on the FireCube.

[@MrJD2k11]

Hi, is the audio delay also an issue with the line-in / line-out?

[@onepieceatatime]

If the WiiM Mini looked any more like a doorstop, I'd be suspicious it's some kind of Darko/ WiiM collab.

[@davidsagarra9841]

Hello, I love your videos, very informative and honest; thanks! I have a couple of questions about the Wiim Pro: 1. is it fully compatible with Apple Music? 2. If it is, and I am using Apple Music in Hi-Resolution to transmit from the Wiim to an external DAC (via toslink), will it pass the signal at 176/24?, I mean, does it respect the resolution?

[@hobitsis]

Great as always thanks for the vids. Question want a mini but only have one toslink (TV) into iotavx sa3 will I need to buy a toslink switch 2 into 1 too as I hear these are quite unreliable. God forbid if I have to get off the sofa to change manually 😅 is there a work around?

[@ladikos77]

If I understand it correctly with the Pro you can connect TV to Wiim pro toslink in and and pro out to Iotavx with another toslink, so you don't need a splitter. I hope that helps.

[@hobitsis]

@@ladikos77 thanks for reply but as John mentioned in vid there is a latency issue with the toslink out and tv but I could use the coaxle but was looking at saving some money and picking up a used mini. Maybe I will have to wait for a used pro. 👍

[@spectator1996]

People hate lawyers, but at least we read and follow instructions, focus on details, and check to see if questions have been answered before asking them!

[@Jahwobbly]

Just ordered mine on Amazon-US, arriving Jan 3.

[@aceofspades6667]

Any idea when it goes on sale? Been checking amazon daily for almost a month.

[@greganderson1681]

I just got a Pro during the recent Amazon Prime sale. Unbelievable value for $110!

[@terriludolf6101]

It seems audiophiles were awaiting the doorstoppers for decades. I have some under the turntable with rounded side down, works fine 😀

[@dmiroy]

Wow. Glad I discovered your channel via @cheapaudioman. Thanks to you both. I appreciate your service to cheap ass non-audiophiles/pseudo audiophiles like myself. I gave up looking for my replacements for my old Slimdevices years ago. Looks like this was a good time to start looking again. Cheers!

[@MrRosscoz]

I think the pro is well worth the extra $50.. coax and optical.. stream to different devices, a better processor

[@klaymoon1]

Great video! Does anyone know if WiiM Pro can cast music wirelessly? For example, can it output to a soundbar without cables using Airplay or Chromcast? I think it can output using Bluetooth, but I could not tell if it can also transmit music over WiFi.

[@NottsModeller]

One uh-oh I found with the pro is the recessed rca’s. My decent rca leads do not fit! :(

[@adammeek1235]

anyone know where to get the Wiim pro in the UK? seems to still not be on sale.

[@gameconsoletherapy4434]

John there is no more help you can give to help people find the description box. Well other than put the word description box on your forehead. Joking aside. I really like how you do the ad break. Maybe before you end the episodes you can do something similar put up a full image of what is in the description box and call it a description box break. ?? Just some ideas. Keep up the great work. And make sure to get out and about.

[@kensmith5538]

Regarding you comment about why some people miss stuff in your 'comments down below', for those of us who view KZbin via their Roku, we don't have access to the comments down below... So, to post this reply, I logged into KZbin on my tablet to access the comments... I enjoy your vids., Thanks

[@dbaum3]

As an LS50w user (1st gen) would the WiiM Pro have any discernible advantage over the WiiM Mini streaming via spdif directly to the Kefs using Tidal?

[@peregrinodisastrado]

Uuuh you showed the mojo 2 while commenting on coax connectivity. Thought it was only for m scaler connection. Which cable did you use? I've been having trouble finding a coax cable with a 3.5mm termination

[@MrChoppington]

There are adapters on amazon and ebay. I have been trying to figure the same thing out too as I am toying with the idea of a mojo 2 for my main system

[@rodjets8208]

Same problem I experienced. As a result didn't buy a Mojo2 got an Ares2 instead. Importer said no-one uses coax.

[@nothankyoutube]

For me to see the description on KZbin (mobile, Android OnePlus 8) I have to tap the title and it unfolds a short part of description, and then I have to tap again in the description to unfold the entirety. Not in your control, but there are no icons to indicate this is even possible.

[@ilovespeakers3348]

Does the Wiim app work on the Lock Screen? I find this feature very useful but not many Hi-Fi brands apps support it

[@suede57]

Will there be a latency if I use the wiim pro as tv Dac (RCA input to wiim pro and RCA out to powered speakers) while watching videos?

[@chevechaze8731]

It seems all but clear that DAC function on WIIM Streamers is subpar. I want to leverage Tidal Connect in WiiM Pro but I'm wondering what budget DAC should I pair it to. I've got 2 options (1. Loxjie D30; 2. Topping E50). I've read good things from those 2 and the price point is no my target budget. The thing is. Would both DACs serve for the same purpose, that is, Stream Tidal to WiiM then unfold and render on the DAC of choice? Or do I need to setup Wiim to at least Decode and output through Coax/Optical and then Render on the DAC of choice? Also, I'm not sure if E50 decodes from Coax/Optical, seems only does it on USB Input (WiiM do not have USB Output though). Loxjie D30 is supposed to Decode from Coax/Optical/USB Appreciate your comments!

[@yogeshmishra4608]

@Darko- I have a question. If I don't have multiroom audio, what difference if any, does the higher RAM and CPU make to the streaming quality or what are the other benefits ? If I connect it to the apple TV I will use airplay, 1 optical out is fine and I don't need an ethernet port

[@greatpix]

Rather than giving out 'Best of ' awards I think a simple 'Recommended' list it more realistic and let that cover one or as many products as you see fit.

[@GjbMcN]

I use a Ccast Audio, a Firestick and a Google (old) Ccast with an ethernet injector/usb power cable it is quite possible that the WIIM mini may also allow the same injection cables albeit usb c?

[@JBernhard72]

Maybe you should put a link on screen to the description box

[@brentm5333]

I have a question John@Darko Audio ----- I just bought the WIIM Pro and installed it ----- you mentioned you did not prefer the internal DAC and would consider using a different one -------- am I somehow bypassing the internal DAC if I run it into another DAC? I am a novice so forgive me. Thanks!

[@TheBigMatta]

Yes, you will bypass the internal DAC if you run it into another DAC.

[@markhalstead2386]

I have a dac, so the Wiim Mini is all I need. I just want to airplay Apple Music.

[@catninjawang794]

I have both. There were several reviewers pointed out the optical output from mini is not as good as pro or pro plus even with an external DAC. Pro can do KZbin music through built in chromcast is a plus for me.

[@trumptardtearcollector9867]

The pro was nice cause you can run another device through it and use the pro's dack or it's 10 band graphic equalizer. But if you don't need any of these things the mini is perfect