Will A Cammed Silverado 5.3 LS Run & Drive Without A Tune? - Truck Build

[@MitchCarveth]

Mod Links below. Headers and Y-pipe: ebay.us/DtvBah BTR Stage 3 Truck Cam Kit: BTR Stage 3 Truck cam kit Carven TR Muffler: Carven TR Muffler

[@htxmac]

“Silveraydoe”😃😃

[@martinez1701a]

I had to adjust my throttle body plate a smidge to keep my 5.3 running in my 99 trans am

[@southernchaser4291]

Sounds good! I did a 228/230 Cam in my 2000 Z71 I had to do an ecm relearn then a relearn for the throttle body. So you can adjust the flap in the throttle body a few turns then do a ecm relearn and the truck will idle without cutting off

[@MitchCarveth]

Sorry I just saw this Comment, thank you for the tip!

[@southernchaser4291]

@@MitchCarveth it's all good man no worries just trying to help out where I can

[@chrisbellard6782]

Can I ask how to do that

[@MarcosAntonio-cw5kf]

Love that wheel set up

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you!

[@BigRichEHhthang100]

She sounds great ! 💯

[@gavinmoon1153]

Holy duck just heard that tapping after my cam swap and now I can feel ok!

[@Soicydavedahtech]

Same!!!

[@billbob9570]

dude sounds sloshed and i love it

[@MrOmerta]

Koo I was wondering same thing. IL be dropping in my rebuilt 6.0 in my truck tomorrow cammed and long tube hope I get a sound like your's!

[@Lostsoul.668]

Finally I wanted to know!!!!!

[@redhotchilipapa5388]

Just saw Texas Speed do a cam setup in a 6.0 that sounded nasty. It was a full build though and was about 3 grand for the whole setup. I’ve got a 06 Sierra with the Vortec and want to do some cam work if I can afford it. I’ve got headers, running a straight pipe, chipped and intake. Sounds great but could still use some power upgrades. Nice vid!

[@MitchCarveth]

If i had to recommend a cam on the sound alone i would lol i just cant wait to feel the performance gains. Sounds like you are basically ready for a cam brother. defiantly look into the BTR cam kits if you havent already and Thank you!

[@alexdeshetler8802]

I’m running a summit racing cam with similar specs to the one in this video along with LS6 valve springs and it sounds very good. Would recommend. Haven’t tuned it yet but I like the way. Sounds and performs

[@MRLSUFAN12]

Kobe Teeth what chip you running?

[@Harleyrider360]

I run a tsp cam 212/220 love it very aggressive sounding and hang the phuck on its sideways Sally haha

[@james10739]

Ya I mean it's still an internal combustion engine and I would think a MAF world work since it actually measures air but I know they need tunes unless it is a real miner change

[@paulnykyforchyn8404]

Haven't done my cam yet but I'm pretty sure most people aren't having tuning issues with the cam itself but the lack of o2 sensors which is how the system tunes for correct fuel tables. The computer needs to be tuned to not look for the emissions equipment that you are no longer using.

[@MitchCarveth]

Mostly correct, Removing the rear 02 sensors won’t effect a whole lot other than triggering the engine light cause the computer doesn’t see them anymore. Bank 1 and bank 2 are the o2 sensors that really matter for the fuel tables. Depending on size of cam lift duration and LSA it can really effect drive ability due to extra valve lift and change in timing.

[@paulnykyforchyn8404]

@MitchCarveth When the ecu triggers an engine light it also triggers parameters that allow it to run without the sensors it's not seeing this is why when people clear the codes the stalling typically comes back. The real problem is not having enough torque converter stall for the cam profile, you can have a programmer give you higher idle too try and make up for this but without enough stall you will burn up the trans at idle. Even a non efi vehicle will stall out with too much cam for the converter. The ecu is only designed to keep the air fuel ratio within a certain parameter and is not aware of any mechanical parts in the equation. The program that is installed at the factory is used on many different cam profiles and vehicles from factory and learns how to keep the correct afr as you run it. Basically what I'm saying is if you know what emissions you are deleting, prepare for that. If you can't get to a programmer, pre purchase an ecu that has been deleted. There are many suppliers of these for under $200. And if your cam profile requires a converter or different gear ratios then be prepared for that too. There's no way around it. Bottom line is be realistic on what you intend to use the vehicle for and you will be alot happier with your cam swap.

[@V6Nation]

Cam with no tune sucks bro. I didn't tune mine but they just did some adjustments to the computer to make it stay on since it would keep dying. I have a video on it if you're curious

[@MitchCarveth]

Not trying to argue but isn't that considered a tune? I'll check it out, thanks man.

[@V6Nation]

Technically lol but it wasn't tuned for performance. They just messed with it at idle to stay on so it sucks at pulls

[@MitchCarveth]

"Technically" that cracked me up bro lol I know what you mean now. That thing is going to be nasty once you get a performance tune on it!

[@V6Nation]

God willing, after the fully built tranny I'll be in business 😎

[@V6Nation]

For sure man. My 2nd gear started slipping after only the 3rd pull 😂

[@mr.Bowtie40]

Where I stay I can't find no body that can tune my 5.3 stage 2 btr cam 😭😭😭🤧

[@mr.Bowtie40]

Just sitting in the yard

[@juaniza9562]

1st time watching your videos bro beautiful truck 👍🏽

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you brother!

[@MIketucky350]

fuck ya!! It cackled on startup.

[@artlife6210]

you can tell its gonna sound sweet! It only takes about 15 minutes to do an idle pretune adjustment...then do a logging of the drive and adjust the fuel trims and timings to get everything in line...hardest part is affording the hp tuner and the laptop for most people lol good luck bro!

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you man! My buddy is tuning it for me so hes got the laptop and hp tuner covered lol We are having some problems with tuning for the 2600 stall torque converter and a couple other things but think we have a solution. We've only been able to spend a couple hours on it so far and hoping to get it all figured out Tomorrow then we can start having some fun with it!

[@miguelr6989]

Street tune runs about $250 out here in Cali

[@diduck6878]

@@miguelr6989 in so Cal? And where?

[@miguelr6989]

@@diduck6878 there is a couple shops in LA. I’ll get those names for you

[@riiiiicy7704]

What exhaust set up are you running? Sounds great

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you! I'm running Speed Engineering long tube headers with catless Ypipe into a Carven TR muffler.

[@prmt1755]

mine didnt have a check engine light for the maf and downstream o2 sensor after like 10min of running it

[@sadboy8413]

I have same problem and I've changed o2 sensor twice already

[@jeremiahturner9334]

When it's not tuned it'll stall out at low rpm's.

[@sadboy8413]

Jeremiah Turner. .now i know why my truck keeps shotting down on me

[@danlussierjr.9645]

I just put a AFM DELETE SETUP from Summit cam # 8718. It needs tune. Any ideas on a tuner I should use

[@MitchCarveth]

I recommend HPtuners for tuning 💪

[@VikingRacer]

Was the timing off, the computer need to be tuned for the new setup right?

[@MitchCarveth]

The everything was off, computer needed to be tuned for sure. I just wanted to see what it would do with no tune.

[@abbas674]

Can I daily my 5.3 with a stage 1 Texas speed cam I don't race I just like the cam sound

[@MitchCarveth]

You can definitely daily a stage 1 tsp

[@viixiconik]

@@MitchCarveth daily stage a 2?

[@jonathaanttv1222]

New sub, hey man love your content.. I’m trying to buy a stage 3 stage 4 cam full kit, what other upgrades do I need to do before installing a cam upgrade,

[@matthewmichael214]

Ok so I have a 2005 5.3 and I'm putting a stage 2 btr cam in it, will I need a tune immediately or will it be decent enough to drive around?

[@MitchCarveth]

It should run but I wouldn't drive in traffic with it too much. My brakes were garbage due to the vacuum being jacked up tell I got the base tune.

[@salvadorlopez-beltran6734]

Siver-ray-doe? With that being stead? Someone's not rehearsing his lines enough...

[@___Eldritch]

My 08 5.3 with a stage 1 BTR Truck Cam has an engine light for the cam position sensor on, but it does run and drive and only idles when I stop with the A/C on.

[@isaiahhoffer9507]

Sounds awesome brother!

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you!

[@franciscourquijo9160]

I have an 02 avi im going to install a stage 4 BTR cam kit and 3200 circle d stall and high volume oil pump. Would it be safe to drive it about 30 min away for a tune?

[@juddlgreen]

As long as it stays in open loop

[@dewaxfilms2924]

Hi everyone hope you guys having a great day quick question can I put a regular 4L60 with a 3600 stall billet.... would it last how long?

[@MitchCarveth]

really depends on how hard you drive it and the condition of the transmission, I recommend finding a good transmission cooler with that stall or any stall.

[@viktorrotkiv1698]

What brand is your wheels ... and tire size .? Looks great ! I want a set of tires and wheels on my 04 Silverado .

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you! The wheels are Hostile Alphas 20x12 -44 offset and tires are Nitto 305/50/20

[@brandonnunez9901]

You think a stock converter will hold up with a stage 3? Or do u recommend upgrading?

[@brandonnunez9901]

Badass truck btw!!

[@MitchCarveth]

Stock converter should have no problem holding up, you just wont have as much torque off the line as you would with a stall. Thank you! i appreciate it!

[@dornell45]

Mitch Carveth so I’d somebody had a btr stage 2 truck cam without a stall they will take off way faster than the btr stage 3 truck cam without a stall

[@viciousrap700]

Brandon Nunez stage 3 needs a converter to get the engine into the torque curve. Many tests have shown the stage 1 & 2 BTR truck cams to hold their torque without a loss on the bottom end yet they begin to pull away strong through the mid range to above 6000. My pick without a converter would be stage 2 but for me personally I would still put a converter in even with the stage 2. Converters are worth a lot in a 4L60/65E.

[@viciousrap700]

dornell45 there's roughly about a 10ft-lb loss in torque from a BTR S2TC to a S3TC so no there won't be a change the world difference. There could easily be that much difference in two identical trucks straight from the factory. State of tune can also be a factor but with the S3TC a 3000-3200 stall should go in, I would even stall that much with a S2TC but that's me, I like a good torque converter. If you were doing a full build and not just a cam swap you could mill the heads for a compression bump and get back the lower end power loss which is exactly what I'd do but I'd still put a converter in it.

[@owenrutledge7144]

Hey man I just did the truck Norris cam kit with ls7 lifters and all that ls l33 stock intake stock exhaust it pretty much runs the exact same way untuned as your truck did here. But It’s a dog until 4500 rpm’s then it takes off im concerned that I may be off a tooth on the timing chain?? Or is it just supposed to be an absolute pig at lower rpm’s?

[@thomashartgrove5116]

Did you ever figure out your issue?

[@owenrutledge7144]

@@thomashartgrove5116 ended up doing long tube headers had retuned still runs like shit 330 to the wheels though. Sounds good runs like shit lol. Ordering a crate motor for the pickup next week. Going to build the sh*t out of the 5.3 and put it in my mustang with a Holley ecu and bigger injectors hopefully that solves my issue

[@thomashartgrove5116]

@@owenrutledge7144 were you off a tooth on the timing gear? My truck barely runs at idle and I was hearing knocking sound. I haven’t tried to drive it just cause the way it sounded at idle. I didn’t want to blow the engine up. It’s untuned still. Last time I tried to move it, I didn’t hear any knocking but still nervous to drive it without a tune. I was thinking the knocking sound might be cause I was off a tooth. That’s why asked about your problem.

[@jasonsweatsjasonsweats8370]

Did it have like I hard start when you turned the key like hesitated to start

[@williamlopez4934]

Like my cammed 6.1 hemi with out a tune

[@jonathanrider2062]

Tell me about ur suspension tire and wheel size I'm currently lifted 6inch on 35s an wanna come down I'm ready to be fast

[@MitchCarveth]

Fast trucks are defiantly awesome, i love the look on peoples faces when i gap them lol I have 3inch lift blocks and torsion keys with Bilstein 5100 shocks, The wheels 20x12 -44 offset and the tires are 305/50/20.

[@jonathanrider2062]

So u got the Factory torsion keys turned up are you got aftermarket torsion keys

[@jonathanrider2062]

I just geared my truck front an back 4:56 so idk if its gonna run out on the top end if I go down to 305s

[@MitchCarveth]

I have aftermarket torsion keys

[@MitchCarveth]

i'm not sure with 4:56 running out on the top end with that set up or not but im sure stop light to stop shes going to be nasty lol

[@6raqgio201]

I have a cammed 5.3 in a 2000 sierra and I drove the truck after buying and when I came to a light after driving for a while the brakes went all the way to the ground and then I pulled over for a bit and I waited about 10-15 min or so and they fixed a bit then after driving again for a while they went back to the ground can anyone help with my problem

[@kkkisking2726]

Do you think a stock 6.0 ss cam would run better without a tune?

[@MitchCarveth]

I'm sure it will run a lot better with a stock SS cam, The SS cam doesn't have a whole lot more lift or duration than the stock 5.3 cam. I do recommend getting a tune eventually to really utilize the new cam though.

[@kkkisking2726]

@@MitchCarveth it's going on a 99 6.0 2500 that has a tune on it so I think itll be good, I'm just gonna keep an eye on the afr for sure

[@JMASON-qy7ki]

Mine got a p0300 after swapping in a 6.0 still on 5.3 ecu.

[@travisbarrow3408]

I never had that issue when I did mine, but I'm runny a bullydog gt tuner. Still a 5.3 tune, but not factory.

[@haroldpowell]

@@travisbarrow3408 i have bully dog tuner do u think if i put a sloppy stage 2 cam in it will idel and drive till i can tune it

[@x1tekja]

So what cam was in that thurr silveraydoe?

[@MitchCarveth]

Shes gots the BTR stage 3 truck cam

[@familygunsandrides....8024]

It must have some kind of tune, 🤔 cuz if it didn't it would be hard to turn on

[@MitchCarveth]

Only tune it had was a box tune for the headers from Texas speed. I was very surprised that fired right up.

[@loganmontgomery9867]

I have a stock 2002 5.3 and all I wanting to change is my cam, I wanting to keep stock lifters and springs, what’s the biggest cam I can go for low to mid power and keep my springs and lifters and all that stock

[@BOOSTJUNKY]

I believe Richard holdener has a video on this i think its like any stage 1 cam basically

[@williammahn2632]

I have a 212 218 ,low lift runs great

[@owenneff4918]

Do you need a dyno tune or would a handheld one work

[@MitchCarveth]

Street tunes work just fine, that's what I've got right now. I used HPtuners, will be getting the dyno soon enough.

[@MrEvilTag]

Handhelds work for temp fixes bust custom tunes are highly advised

[@marcosmelena9917]

Dam sounds good what muffler other than it being cammed??

[@MitchCarveth]

Thank you, I have the Carven TR series muffler.

[@andydill8722]

Did you get it tuned yet and dynoed? Just wondering what it put down. Mine is an LQ4 6.0 with the BTR stage 3. I have a video of mine on the dyno, you should check it out.

[@MitchCarveth]

I'm behind on the tune and dyno right now but should be happening soon. Finally got the power draw squared away and my tuner thinks he has the torque converter stall issue figured out. Are you running stock converter? Those arent bad numbers at all for 35s I was a little off on my prediction tho I was hoping it would be closer to 340 hp.

[@andydill8722]

@@MitchCarveth yes stock converter so it's a little slow of the line but no driveability issues at all. My tuner actually tuned mine while I drove around and then did the final tuning on the Dyno. The LQ4 only had 300hp at the crank stock so I'm really happy with it.

[@MitchCarveth]

@@andydill8722 Right now I'm kinda wishing I would have stuck with my stock coverter lol. that's definitely impressive for hp and torque. I'm really hoping for good torque like what you got.

[@andydill8722]

@@MitchCarveth you will probably get more horsepower out of the 5.3 since it has better compression and I'm sure the torque will be higher as well. I have a set of 5.3 heads I'm really considering putting on after I port them. If that happens I'll be sure and put that video up as well.

[@MitchCarveth]

I cant wait to get it on the dyno finally and find out, Hopefully we can get the street tune finished up this weekend. you should post that for sure, it would be cool to see the difference.

[@jaybird1851]

So can i drive my truck from the shop to the tuner shop to get the tune done? Its about a 40 minute drive

[@MitchCarveth]

Its really up to you brother, without knowing how its running I don't want to say you will be fine then have something horrible happen. Definitely make sure the brakes work cause the vacuum is going to be all jacked up.

[@jaybird1851]

@@MitchCarveth what do i do to help the vaccum

[@MitchCarveth]

Its all taken care of in the tuning unfortunately.

[@jonamartinez6451]

Got a 5.3 I’m going to drop on my obs 😬😄

[@MitchCarveth]

Thats awesome, You wont be disappointed 😀

[@jonamartinez6451]

Mitch Carveth it will be a big upgrade since my obs is a v6 😆

[@MitchCarveth]

@@jonamartinez6451 that thing is going to move now! 😂 hope all goes well with your swap!

[@elferebilliot5940]

Have an 06 can't get in the ECM with hp tuner how do I get the ECM unlocked

[@MitchCarveth]

You will have to buy credits through Hp Tuners to unlock it.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

What were your a/f readings looks like you have a gauge

[@MitchCarveth]

All over there place then would go crazy rich then lean out. I'll be getting a wide band cause the narrow band is pretty much just a light show but gives me a decent idea of where I'm at.

[@CharmleysChopShop]

@@MitchCarveth yea i just cammed mine and wanted to bleed the coolant but mine will not idle for anything. Should be tuned in a few days though.

[@johnweemes770]

How about a stage 1 cam any tunes required

[@MitchCarveth]

With a stage 1 cam it might have a little more drive ability than the stage 3 without a tune but I definitely recommend getting a tune not only for performance but longevity for the engine as well.

[@chevy208.3]

Stock transmission?

[@MitchCarveth]

Stock transmission other than corvette shift servo and i had a 2600 stall in at the time.

[@διαβόητο23φάντασμα]

What cam yall recommend for a 5.3 silverado 1500 4x4? 2010

[@MitchCarveth]

It's hard to say without more info, if you want to keep your springs, pushrods and torque converter stock i would look into low lift cams.

[@313DETROIT]

@@MitchCarveth Do you still need a tune after a low lift cam installed?

[@Xavierpropertyshow]

hell ya brother

[@isaiahhoffer9507]

So the answer is no..

[@MitchCarveth]

Extra no lol

[@brucepotenza8705]

What size injectors you running

[@MitchCarveth]

Stock injectors for now.

[@slicksloth_416]

How much to tune a cam?

[@MitchCarveth]

Really Depends on the tuner, It only cost me $200 for street tuning.

[@slicksloth_416]

@@MitchCarveth thanks for the heads up

[@tajmuhammad580]

@@MitchCarveth Where is the shop located that did the tune for you.

[@ifuaintfirsturlast7551]

Silveradro

[@dayum_daddy7103]

Why does she died tho

[@jeremycowger1175]

Needs a tune still

[@alexdeshetler8802]

What’s your exhaust setup brother? Sounds mean. Just cammed my 5.3 and it doesn’t sound as good as yours!

[@MitchCarveth]

Thanks man! I have Speed Engineering long tube headers with catless Y-pipe going into a Carven TR series muffler.

[@mydaddy7690]

What stall you got.

[@MitchCarveth]

Stock stall for now.

[@mountainmantv4713]

What is the best cam to do on a stock 5.3

[@MitchCarveth]

Really depends what you are looking to get out of. Are you looking for more low and mid power or mid and top end power?

[@loganmontgomery9867]

Mitch Carveth low and mid

[@kadenshablow9226]

Is this thing carbrated

[@MitchCarveth]

Its fuel injected

[@Lostsoul.668]

And please what tuner works like super chip or diablo tuners

[@MitchCarveth]

We are going to be using HP Tuners for the custom tune. I could be wrong but i think super chip and diablo tuners are mostly just good for exhaust and cold air intake tunes.

[@Lostsoul.668]

Mitch Carveth I have an HP tuner but I have no idea how to tune that’s why I asked lol

[@MitchCarveth]

My bad lol i honestly have no idea how to tune either but if my buddy is okay with me filming i'll try to get some footage of him tuning it or at least the finale tune. Hopefully that will help you out a little bit.

[@Lostsoul.668]

Mitch Carveth thanks you can’t wait for next vid

[@scotthibbard5746]

Do you have Cat's? 02's?

[@MitchCarveth]

I'm running catless Y-pip and i deleted the rear O2s but still have the front two.

[@scotthibbard5746]

Mitch Carveth I wasn’t sure if the state you live in requires emissions. Unfortunately here in middle Tennessee we have emissions testing.

[@MitchCarveth]

ouch :/ Thankfully no emission here, still considered a farming community.

[@viciousrap700]

Scott Hibbard good cats won't kill power brotha, the difference between a catless setup and a catted setup is virtually non existent when you have good cats. The main difference you'll find is that to a small degree cats will muffle some sound which isn't always a bad thing as catless exhaust can be a bit raspy. Sound will come down to pipe diameter, duals or single and type of muffler used more than anything. My Escalade has a Dynomax Ultra-Flow X muffler, dual 3" in and out and it's got a very distinctive sound compared to the Trucks with a single pipe going back. It sounds like nothing else in my area which I love and I get compliments on it all the time. It's going to sound amazing with a cam, more compression and long tubes!

[@ChubsSir100]

Badass truck bro! No instagram page??

[@MitchCarveth]

Thanks man, I appreciate it! I do, it's in the about me section. I've just been trying to be better about posting before I promote it more. @mitch_carv

[@Peppermimt]

Diet jake Paul

[@MitchCarveth]

Unleaded Logan Paul

[@Peppermimt]

@@MitchCarveth lol

[@texmextu2]

The lower the lsa the more lobe ?

[@MitchCarveth]

yup, if you want more lope/chop go with with a lower LSA. Also depends how high of lift the cam has as well.

[@christophermcgirt6198]

Do you have a drop or lift?

[@MitchCarveth]

It has 3in lift blocks and torsion keys on it right now.

[@derrickgordon1164]

What cam is that ??

[@MitchCarveth]

Its the Brian Tooley Racing stage 3 truck cam

[@derrickgordon1164]

@@MitchCarveth Thank you for your help, nice build sir. I'm building a 5.3 for my 1984 Cutlass.

[@MitchCarveth]

Thanks man i appreciate it, and nice! that's going to be sick, if you have any other question feel free to ask.

[@mattsimmons6877]

@@MitchCarveth do you think a 6.0 will need a tune with a stage two truck cam?

[@calebc6028]

Stock convertor?

[@MitchCarveth]

Still stock, looking at going with a 2800 stall for more power off the line.