Will Modern Civilization be the Death of Us? (Part 1 - with Dr. William Rees)

[@treefrog3349]

The thing that utterly baffles me is the fact that, amidst your deep understanding of the unfolding tragedy, you are able to maintain such seeming equanimity! I, personally, only have a peripheral grasp of the situation compared to you, and I am TOTALLY FREAKED OUT!

[@mr85grim]

Don't be. We did it to ourselves. We chose having abundant and cheap hedonic pleasures i.e. allowed our primordial biological drivers to sit behind the wheel instead of using our rational brains to take control and change our suicidal course. Thus, we humans have earned our place in the compost bin of the universe. If life was meant to be a test as a lot of the religions claim, we clearly failed lol.

[@janklaas6885]

he,s already 80

[@mikeharrington5593]

I equate it to a terminal cancer diagnosis - are you gonna cry lots & lay down to die, or instead are you gonna appreciate, ever more, each daily gift of life and live it as fully as you can & laugh some too ?

[@scottparr5606]

You can save yourself, I will tell you how. You see, in the Bible It is said that Jesus is the only one actually fit to lead man. That is why it is said that leaders are blind if they do not know Christ or God. What does that mean? Organized religion would have you believe that means going to church and giving them money to ease your guilt. This is a terrible deception however and the truth is that one makes a connection to god by meditating, specifically the Kundalini Awakening type. This is why our leaders are all corrupt, none of them know this simple thing, and those that do are not welcome.

[@mr85grim]

@@scottparr5606 wocka wocka!

[@timtam2126]

watch all your videos Dr Bill. Need to promote your message and understanding...thanks from new zealand.

[@LarryCleveland]

Building a culture on greed and envy is beyond stupid.

[@a.randomjack6661]

I don't think it was built, but that it emerged from about 10 000 years ago. Hint "The Top ten Jobs that Attract Psychopaths' (article) CEO is number one. That's a severe anti-social behavior. For one, they believe they're all narcissist, better than everyone else. Exceptional comes to mind...

[@phil3768]

What a powerful, eloquent message Bill gives us. It is not easy to hear and harder to absorb, but the effort is its own reward and can takes us beyond our own self-absorbed lives, IF we only listen. Thank you Bill, for your passion and knowledge.

[@vasukinagabhushan]

As Gandhi said, there is enough for everyone's need, not for everyone's greed.

[@jerrymcmanus2283]

Another brilliant talk by Dr. Bill Rees. If only more people truly understood the dire implications of our global ecological overshoot and collapse. One slide in particular caught my attention. Negative feedbacks would indeed have been highly desirable due to their "goal seeking" behavior. If we, as a species, had the wisdom and foresight to dial down our "self reinforcing" positive feedbacks 40 or 50 years ago, especially our exponential growth in population and consumption, and replace them with behavior that gradually approached the hard biophysical limits of our habitat then we would not be slamming full speed into the civilization ending crises that we are being crushed by today. How sad that people in the wealthiest industrialized countries chose to stomp on the gas instead, literally! And for what? Obscene riches for a tiny handful of insanely wealthy psychopaths and immiseration for everyone else. Now, unfortunately, any negative feedbacks are far out of reach. Way, WAY too late for that. Instead we find ourselves facing the catastrophic consequences of our global ecological overshoot and the brutal, bloody collapse of our industrial civilization. In other words, all we have left to us are the catastrophically negative consequences of our "self reinforcing" positive feedbacks because the "goal seeking" negative feedbacks that might have saved us starting 40 or 50 years ago are in the rear-view mirror.

[@rickricky5626]

great comment and well said

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

Excellent!!

[@hawthorneantilles6755]

It’s sobering to know it’s too late. And impacts are coming much sooner than once believed possible. Because even previous dire predictions were optimistic. The rapidity of change is increasing at a pace never before seen in the entire history of the earth.

[@r.bevantrembly3687]

It is inspirational to me to remember many indigenous societies, notably in California, lived in harmony, balance, stable population and territorial integrity with their neighbors without war. Sadly, two centuries of contact with civilization have completely obliterated almost all of them but we need to listen carefully to what wisdom their elders have to share with us to help us toward our “Soft Landing” !

[@mikeharrington5593]

Our global situation is a state of informed helplessness.

[@T1tusCr0w]

The greatest mind we have on the subject of ecology and Ecco economics as well as many other enmeshing subjects he delves into.

[@tomjohn8733]

Exactly, I totally agree, I’ve been saying this for decades, however not as well, very good lecture, unfortunately the people who will watch this or hear the message is not enough to make a difference, because the people who will need to see this won’t, and the people like me who understands and completely agree, all I can do is share this and hope they will do likewise….hopefully!!

[@paulauclair4772]

were worried about everything else killing us...yet were doing it perfectly, ourselves. We know we work well when we work together but we devide up and build boundaries and walls. Then we think we are the smartest beings on this planet. How?

[@garyjohnson1466]

I agree, humans are natural born predators, kill and dominateie or be killed and dominated, to the spoils go the cleverest, ruthless , to show mercy is to show weakness...sadly

[@shadetreader]

The only way we can change things is by having the courage to FORCE others to do what's right. Either we stop letting fools run the world, or we go extinct-- those are our options.

[@treefrog3349]

Concisely stated, the demise of the Human species (and possibly the Earth itself) boils down to unmitigated human greed. Has the Human species not behaved like a mindless, ravenous horde of locusts? A horde of insects that will ultimately end up devouring each other when all else is gone. I can only hope that the Earth will survive our ravages and not become the dead equivalent of other planets.

[@adambazso9207]

I hope that too.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Define greed? Environmentalists incorrectly believe that the planet is some kind of pristine harmonious place that humans, like a parasite, are wrecking. In actuality the Earth is a hostile place that will kill you. Humans have made it more livable with each passing century. Are MRI machines greed? Are transportation networks, communication networks, sanitation, agriculture, universities, rising standards of living and the elimination of hunger all greed? Are you being greedy for using a computer and this platform to post? There is a price to pay for the modern world. Would you have us all going back to living in mud huts?

[@johnmoorhouse1455]

Earths massive recycling systems will puvlverise this Death cult we call civilization

[@andybunn5780]

Nice analogy of locusts since the increase in consumption correlated after increase in population

[@barbarasmith6005]

The planet will survive, and probably a few hardy species, too, like fungi.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

This book just turned up on a public domain website: Ending the Depression through Planned Obsolescence (1932) by Bernard London How much CO2 is the result of unnecessary manufacturing due to planned obsolescence? When do climate scientists talk about that? What has happened to the depreciation of durable consumer goods since Sputnik? What do economists say about that? Double-entry accounting is 700 years old. When have educators advocated mandatory accounting in the schools? How would that have affected the economy since Sputnik?

[@jamesmarshall1469]

It is only our own description of the human species calling ourselves intelligent and advanced, I believe a truly intelligent species equipped with the knowledge to do so should not only be capable of, but actively managing its numbers and impact on the only habitable place within our reach and not be living as though continuous growth in a limited space has no consequences , choosing to ignore these things is complete neglect of rational thought and can never be considered intelligent behavior , particularly when we are increasing the probability of our own species extinction if not all life on earth

[@r.bevantrembly3687]

It is inspirational to me to remember many indigenous societies, notably in California, lived in harmony, balance, stable population and territorial integrity with their neighbors without war. Sadly, two centuries of contact with civilization have completely obliterated almost all of them but we need to listen carefully to what wisdom their elders have to share with us to help us toward our “Soft Landing” !

[@averayugen7802]

There's a film called Map of the Human Heart. Moved me to the core. Northern Canada where gas and oil drilling were coming in...Theme was just this catastrophic change from traditional culture to the forced unbalanced modern economy and technology. Suicides increased with the growing hopelessness. The tragedy leaves one speechless. We had the brains to care and get it right. Resource scarcity requires healing beyond anything we can imagine now.

[@timtam2126]

You are a powerful speaker when you get worked up Bill! 👍

[@seejayfrujay]

Read Catton's book "Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change". Written in 1980, it was a seminal work on this subject. Thank you for making this most important topic more accessible and for updating the science with new good work.

[@stand9493]

A great analysis and articulation of the problematic dynamics at play today. Thank you for this.

[@Rnankn]

Why do the most important videos have the lowest view counts?

[@vsstdtbs3705]

good point, I always like to listening to William Rees. It's the first day of the video, lets hope much more watch later.

[@brixtonreyes2255]

Because ignorance of reality is what keeps our civilization running.

[@thomassmith9731]

People do not relish bad news...

[@vsstdtbs3705]

@@thomassmith9731 "bad" depends on someones circumstances. I think it is bad there are over 2 billion old ladies on this planet burning fossil fuels daily to stay alive, ruining it for future generations.

[@teethompson7756]

It's interesting to note that 'Don't Look Up' got way more views than 'An Inconvenient Truth' which both streamed on Netflix at the same time. People don't want to make the hard changes so it's better/easier not to know.

[@NorthStarPNW]

They should add to the notes in the description box that this interview is from Feb 2020. Much has changed since then.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

David Bohm born early in the 1900s, spent much of his life thinking about myths and how they are formed. He, of course was marginalized in his prime thinking years. His hypotheses on Thought are revealing. KZbin has many of his talks with curious groups in 1985 or so. I highly recommend him to those interested in how thinking and beliefs becomes entrenched in societies and cultures.

[@vincentkosik403]

I read his exchanged with Krishnamurti which were very deep

[@averayugen7802]

I saw the vid with Bohm and Krishnamurti in conversation. Should see that!

[@wackywally69420]

Its important to highlight that this isnt general human impact, this is a direct impact of colonizers. Other humans were keeping the planet healthy before colonizers decided personal gain was the most important

[@wackywally69420]

If we dont decolonize there is no solving the climate crisis

[@christinearmington]

Fair enough 😞

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

A good book on the colonizers is "Ecological Imperialism" by Professor Alfred Crosby. Although the Aztecs spread pederasty into the Mayan "civilization" - the nonwestern agriculture solar ritual priest patriarchies were also highly problematic. Western "civilization" was just more "efficient" in our spreading of destruction of life on Earth as "biological annihilation."

[@sugarstick6990]

Your right, so many speakers wrongly assume that we civilized people can speak for all humankind. We are not humanity. I guess they mistakenly think “we” are the epitome of human evolution because “we” have out competed and outlived the rest of humanity. That is a false presumption.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

​@@sugarstick6990 What's fascinating is that every human culture uses the Octave, Perfect Fifth and Perfect fourth music interval as 1:2:3:4 ratios. These ratios are actually noncommutative - something only Fields Medal Math Professor Alain Connes points out. Our exponential math, the inverse of the logarithmic function, originates from the wrong music theory of equal-tempered tuning, the secret origin of irrational geometry. The square root of two was first approximated as the major 2nd or 9/8 cubed as the tritone. This is explained by the Pythagorean Plato book by Ernest McClain. As modern Westernized peoples we fetishize science as universal truth because we think "math works" but the standard symmetric commutative geometry math is what created the ecological crisis. Noncommutativity proves that this math was logically wrong - the nonwestern cultures with their simple nonwestern music actually practice spiritual meditation based on the noncommutativity principles.

[@alphathemoonunit5390]

Excellent yet again. Thanks from NZ

[@wcfields3606]

I think about it every day. Why we never hear simple things like stop cutting trees down and stop using weed killing chemicals like roundup.

[@pootieputin2771]

Brilliant, eye opening and sobering presentation. Kunstler's books, "The Long Emergency" and "Living in the Long Emergency" are good sources that reinforce Rees' thinking.

[@TylerRein]

I wonder if Dr. Rees would ever consider going on Joe Rogan’s podcast to have a conversation about all this. We need people like Dr. Rees with his level of expertise in that space to go in deeper in on this topic since that space is littered with bad faith actors who willfully misrepresent the issue and the science (Jordan Peterson comes to mind).

[@room_threeothree]

I believe there are better channels to transport the message. Joe Rogan isnt the right channel, to my assertion

[@JohnnyBelgium]

Don't waste your time with Joe Rogan. Watch the Rich Roll podcast instead.

[@janklaas6885]

Rogan is all entertainment, not even infotainment,

[@TylerRein]

I really don’t understand the sentiment in this comment thread. I’m no fan of Rogan, but he has the biggest podcast in the world. That means whoever goes on gets tremendous exposure and can reach a lot more people with their message. That’s the idea here right? Getting this message out to as many people as possible? Plus Dr. Rees is a towering figure in the field and would bring with him really solid arguments that Rogan wouldn’t have the capacity to refute therefore giving these ideas a real shot at opening more people’s eyes to dire situation we are in. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[@janklaas6885]

@@TylerRein he better go on Lex Friedman. Its not about kwantatie, its about kwaletie.

[@PT-cu2fg]

Bill’s challenge to religious leaders at 56:50 had already been published in June 2015. Pope Francis’ Laudato Si’, preceded days before by similar broad statements from other religious bastions, was largely hailed in as positive terms as could be imagined. Economic and political business as usual quickly buried it so effectively that even Bill, and perhaps Dr. Fowler also, had lost sight of it. Over the edge we go…

[@johnstubbe3113]

Data from 2018 is before the major increase of alternate energy of the last 5 years . The energy corps have captured our politics ,religion and schools .

[@HealingLifeKwikly]

"Data from 2018 is before the major increase of alternate energy of the last 5 years ." True, but fossil fuels are still providing 82% of global energy, down from 82% in this talk. That's not enough progress.

[@xichael]

Are you aware that this video is unlisted? You probably marked as such by mistake... could you look into the settings and make it available again?

[@loopylynda1974]

When i was in high school I wrote a paper on how many people could the earth sustain for longevity. I came up with the max of 2 billion but that was pushing it. That was 1990.😢

[@averayugen7802]

Pop was 2 billion in the FIFTIES.

[@Albatross190]

How could I find part 2?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I've contemplated the life of our planet, and the Evolution of Mankind; I have concluded that humanity is following their innate development of their minds, using creativity and imagination to push thinking to its extremes. Whatever developed could not be stopped; one invention morphed into another. There WERE THOSE who could envision our Futures, yet there were no respected Guardians of Mankind. And none are respected by the Populace, NOW. Thank goodness for KZbin for allowing people to think for themselves. (Usually)

[@CelestialWoodway]

KZbin heavily censors content. Say the wrong words and your videos are demonetized or taken down.

[@averayugen7802]

were gonna need more than the boobie thing or the Barbie thing come to think. Where is the organized brainpower to save the PLANET??????????

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

That's a pretty good comment, as far as profound thoughts go, and I would tend to agree. About technology just leading into more technology, and it just goes from there, with no masterplan whatsoever. I don't know what to say about 'guardians of humanity', that would be sort of the opposite of powerful people at the top of the heap in human society all throughout human history, who are not there to be good stewards. Quite the contrary. But it's a nice dream I guess....

[@ardalla535]

Interesting ... but ignores several issues. One thing that jumps out is we are depleting irreplaceable resources and are extremely likely to continue to do so. So even reducing the population to somewhere around 1 billion is not going to work. A billion people cannot live on a depleted Earth: one with no copper and nickel, for example. What this means is that we can't go back to the bronze and copper age if there is no copper available to extract from the Earth's crust. We descend, slowly or rapidly, into another stone age, but with one big caveat: even if humans exist another billion years after that descent, progress is over. We have to stay at that level perpetually because all the resources are gone that would lift us, once again, into an age of copper and bronze tools.

[@dayofthejackyl]

That’s really fascinating to think about. I hope the people of this future aren’t plagued by these awful religions like we are now. But they probably will be.

[@eaiseer]

Incredible presentation -- is there a PDF of the slides?

[@christinearmington]

Screen shot each one, then you’ll have it.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@christinearmington Wow Dr. Rees cites former University of Minnesota biology professor Phil Regal in this pdf - Denying Herman Daly: Why Conventional Economics Will not Embrace the Daly Vision or "That’s not the right way to look at it" Rees doesn't put a date on his pdf? Regal once said to me at a MN Greens meeting, "Drew Hempel? I thought there were six of you!" hilarious.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@christinearmington "The critical point is that at every level in the hierarchy, the relevant holon can develop and maintain itself only by using available energy and material (negentropy) extracted from its ‘host’ system one level up and by exporting degraded energy and material wastes (entropy) back into that host.6" Rees doesn’t realize that this “holon” is conflating the symmetric math of systems theory, as Eddie Oshins points out. Noncommutativity of the holographic universe is not the same as a symmetric math systems theory analysis. The true “holograph” is time-frequency noncommutativity. "The ecosphere evolves and maintains itself in far-from-equilibrium steady-state by assimilating and dissipating radiant energy from the sun, i.e., an extra-planetary source of negentropy (and, effectively, the next highest level in the thermodynamic hierarchy). The economy, however, can grow and maintain itself only by extracting and degrading resources extracted from ecosystems.…Our own bodies are steady state systems in which the daily inflows of energy and matter are, on average, quantitatively equivalent to the outflows. (Of course, the quality is diminished by the extraction of negentropy from the inputs." So Dr. Rees calls for “spiritually satisfying lives” on Earth but doesn’t understand that the source of the negentropy is directly from noncommutativity and thus our cultural construction of modern Western civilization has been based on the wrong symmetric commutative logic! This goes back to Plato, Archytas, Eudoxus and Euclid as the “Greek Miracle” that Newton picked up.

[@eaiseer]

@@christinearmington not a very good solution .... sorry

[@christinearmington]

@@eaiseer 🤷‍♀️

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@AudioPervert1]

Extract from an article in the Scientific American The most insidious threat to humankind is something called “extinction debt.” There comes a time in the progress of any species, even ones that seem to be thriving, when extinction will be inevitable, no matter what they might do to avert it. The cause of extinction is usually a delayed reaction to habitat loss. The species most at risk are those that dominate particular habitat patches at the expense of others, who tend to migrate elsewhere, and are therefore spread more thinly. Humans occupy more or less the whole planet, and with our sequestration of a large wedge of the productivity of this planetwide habitat patch, we are dominant within it. might therefore already be a dead species walking.

[@meanscene914]

Religion played a significant role in getting us to where we are. Indigenous peoples are supplying all of the guidance needed.

[@anilprasad4185]

ABRAHAMIC "RELIGIONS"---MIDEAST OLD TESTAMENT [A-Brahminic/A-Dharmic] Belief system & construct!

[@humanitech]

To consider all the issues, problems and concerns raised, identified and presented in the discussion.... It can all be reduced down to two fundamental categories which are,- (1) The External environment - and its ongoing cyclical evolution and change and then (2) biological life evolution, diversity, development and change In regards to condition (1) the evidence (and ongoing reality) suggests that (with or without biology /.including later evolved humans) the observable cosmos, galaxies, solar systems, planets and their different environments... are all not fixed, nor stable, nor linear in structure, nature and operation. Therefore all are open to constant positive and negative interaction, reactions, changes and outcomes.. Which can be seen as both linear, non liner, cyclical and random, but collectively they cause and guarantee all the flips, fluctuations, reversals and entropy. Which implies and confirms all expressions will at some point eventually return back to elemental states! Therefore all current expressions in the cosmos will eventually come to an end to potentially be recycled again into new inclusively positive/negative expressions. So now when looking at condition (2) Biological life is the same as condition (1) but just very specific evolved development in specific environments that have the chemical, energy gases, water, heat and elements (ingredients) and a level of environment stability to enable life to form ,progress, deviate and evolve into new biological forms and expressions that either thrive or die! So really, all we humans can do is try to meddle, adjust and manipulate both conditions (1 and 2) to either help us continue to thrive for as long as it is possible ....or not! But in reality only until the bigger external planet, solar system cosmic environmental conditions and/or entropy come into play to seal our fate. Conclusion ....no matter what we personally think or do....humans are just another temporary biological expressions...that although are very interesting and complex on a surface level... We will only ever be able to superficially patch fix the ongoing problems and realities facing both the earth and the cosmos (and their eventual demise). But in our own blind ignorance and exponential technological (resource hungry) development we could be just speeding up the demise of the planet, ourselves and maybe all biological life on the planet....but the external cosmos is already doing the same...and a random external event could kill or turn this planet to dust! Some humans have rationally realised the true nature and reality of condition (1) and have accepted our host at some point will not be able to support or sustain biological life.... so are focussed not on solving short term issues here....but find ways to leave this host to explore and find new hosts ....like all biological life does here..especially aggressive viruses that often take over and prematurely kill themselves and their hosts! Humans currently regulate and control population by the following social economic restrictions, wars, environmental and resource manipulation...but they are all patch fixes

[@mickbray4195]

If we as a civilization, intelligent, and creative, don't get our act together, our acts of destruction will be at our own peril. With rising inflation and Landlord's knocking on renters doors for rent, more people are becoming homeless. And, many of the homeless don't want to be in that situation and will do whatever they can to avoid it. To make things better it starts with one's self, agree?

[@anamariadiasabdalah7239]

Muito bom trabalho professor ❣👏🙏

[@frankcoates4609]

"Humanity you never had it to begin with" Bukowski.

[@georgesampson2228]

Good show! It was always said that humans would destroy themselves.

[@anthonymorris5084]

It was always said, and it never happens.

[@frankcoates4609]

@@anthonymorris5084 yet

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@frankcoates4609 "Yet" is what your entire argument is based on. "You just wait" is the endless mantra.

[@frankcoates4609]

@@anthonymorris5084 you're the type of human who ensures the inevitable collapse of humanity by destructively blundering along in willful and arrogant stupidity.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Exceptionalism is the most distorting lens.

[@thedebateroom]

One of the most important things we need to do is to separate agriculture from land use using vertical farming and strategic localization, along with de-carring and reorganizing cities around train and bicycle. Another would be direct oceanic iron fertilization to help to replenish marine life, it would also be like giving meth to the carbon cycle to pull CO2 out of the air. None of this can be done within a profit-based monetary structure though. What we want to see is a kind of freedom that has not been seen on this Earth in over 20,000 years due to the establishment of agriculture, monetarism, and nation states. What we want is a sustainable and open source automated "life support system" if you will, for all humans, that does not require any obsolete labor for income structures to participate in.

[@thedebateroom]

My recommendation is always Peter Joseph's book "The New Human Rights Movement: How to Reinvent the Economy to End Oppression"

[@harpar1028]

great

[@averayugen7802]

You are right. Can all that still happen? If the brainpower for this is HERE where's the WILL?

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Human nature.

[@josephpthomas915]

Sir, dont get worried about population growth. Times are ahead when the most leisured classes of the mankind become uninterested in reproductive sex and suffer discontinuation of generations. Some others may overproduce but an equilibrium will be reached by natural selection. So will be the economy and ecology. I am ready for a debate on this.

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

On billion humans to were we are today that quick, if I was a doctor and Mr Earth was my patient I'd be giving him the bad news that he has terminal cancer. Now that's the sort of message scientist's should be using instead of pussyfooting around with figures no one can understand.

[@brendawilliams8062]

Thankyou. Very nice.

[@juliejacobson1432]

A return to Natural Human Activity - by reversing the economic model to acknowledge and invest in supporting Human Enery, Intelligence and enterprise. It is not Human activity that is responsible for the depletion of natural resources, it it GLOBAL BUSINESS ACTIVITY.

[@kengreenfield-nman]

None of the "solutions" will be acted upon. Basically, WASF!

[@kenpentel3396]

Thank you

[@deathofcommonsense]

Have been a keen observer of our world's totality for over 50 years now, as a mere nobody, I became convinced this planet is one living entity made up of trillions of constituent living entities that exist as a collaborative totality. I believe what I'm witnessing now is the inevitable breakdown of that life system thanks to our species unique triple of, a large brain, standing upright and hands with opposable thumbs. Add to that what seems to be an irrational & insatiable greed, and today's world picture is nothing more than the beginning of our end!

[@stevenwilgus5422]

I have experienced dread for the time that we occupy since my early childhood. I have a personality type that employs a type of prescience. We are facing what Christians call The Apocalypse.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Your "dread" is unfounded. Data proves humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history. Data clearly demonstrates that death tolls from every single natural disaster *including every single climate related disaster* has been in precipitous decline for a hundred years. All this after 200 years of climate change, 42 years of climate hysteria and even with a global population that is 8 times higher than the 1800's.

[@Lorax_Tribe]

Wow, you can make anything cram into your conspiracy. Kudos to you! You won’t adapt, however, and will become irrelevant soon. The very last Virgin Birth, he he.

[@yutubl]

@50years-of-climate-conferences-no-CO2-reduction: Do we expect too much influence of global leadership? Are these conferences just CO2-lectures? Is an intended smart CO2-reduction not possible with our system? Perhaps a real ugly but only true possibility is a consumption breakdown (Covid CO2 emission pause)?

[@remcovanek2]

So, in short, greed will kill us all…

[@elainebraindrain3174]

I say yes to the question.

[@remcovanek2]

We could have solved the problem, but we didn’t…

[@BUILDINGINSP]

CONSUMERISM AND MODERN APPLIANCES. IN FIRST WORLD NATIONS…WE ARE ADDICTED. SECOND AND THIRD WORLD NATIONS WANT THE SAME CONVENIENCES. WITH EIGHT BILLION RUNNING ARE THE ROCK WE FIND OURSELVES AT A CROSSROAD. IMO…THERE IS NO GOING BACK TO A SIMPLER PLACE AND TIME.

[@pool2587]

No water no electricity

[@franklinblunt69]

In USA, nearly killed & injured four times by negligence malevolence & left for dead. So you include those causes?

[@j85grim4]

When the cockroaches discover the fossil remains of our extinct species, they will be astounded by the great lengths we took to document our own demise.

[@kathleenshannon8284]

execllent

[@joanneward6746]

Yes

[@pool2587]

More imaginative than thou

[@johnmitchell8925]

Nobody cares but they will

[@fredbloke3218]

"Exponential growth" only means a constant doubling time if the exponent is exactly 2, it is more likely to be any other value.

[@ts214121]

How can we reduce our world population? A problem with stopping having children is there won't be enough young people to support the elderly. Will nature reduce our population if we don't do it ourselves?

[@dayofthejackyl]

Yes of course.

[@naturewonders3604]

Pyramid schemes are not the solution. Why can't we take care of old people, of course we can. We don't need more young people. We need a redistribution of wealth. You are just perpetuating the pyramid scheme myth.

[@thedebateroom]

People do love to point at taxation as if it matters, but it doesn't, with the exception of trying to help income inequality. Unfortunately due to tax havens and other schemes, it doesn't work for that either anymore. Additionally governments are no longer funded by tax money, the tax money just pays for the fiat interest on the fiat money that can only ever be created through loans from banks. Sure it would be great to reduce income inequality, but that's just one of the many structural side effects of monetary economics. It will always exist, because it's a structural flaw. The entire system needs to be replaced in order to get anything at all accomplished in the Holocene besides extinction.

[@anthonymorris5084]

*"Additionally governments are no longer funded by tax money,"* And exactly how are governments funded?

[@thedebateroom]

@@anthonymorris5084 since Nixon took the world off the gold standard, governments function by spending fiat currency in to existence, loaned from the central banks. It’s called Modern Monetary Theory and is the only way the US defense budget could remain so large for so long.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@thedebateroom This is the method utilized to increase the money supply within the market. This is done for numerous reasons. Do you think the exact same amount of dollars floating around today is the same as in 1920? Money has to have value. It's value is based on debt. Debt has value. No government prints money for their spending purposes. Defense budgets are not derived from printing money. If this is how it worked budgets of every single country would be infinite. Printing money is inflationary and devalues the currency. Money would have no value. Governments tax profits. All government revenue is derived from productivity. Whether it's a person who trades their labor for a guaranteed salary or the profits that are realized from selling goods and services. All tax revenue comes from profits. Every single dime.

[@thedebateroom]

@@anthonymorris5084 What you're missing is that tax revenue is not needed for the federal government to fund anything. State/local, yes, because those can't print their money in to existence. Problem is that when 100% of the fiat money supply comes from loans (which it does) which have to be repaid with interest (which they do), infinite growth is required to make up for the bigger infinity of debt than actual currency. Interest is never created in the money supply, only the principal. It also turns bankruptcy in to a mathematical inevitability for a portion of the population.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@thedebateroom The debt forever equals the equity. It's always zero so bankruptcy is not inevitable or even foreseeable. Of course tax revenue is required. How else would the government fund or pay for the myriad of services it provides. It does not print money for this purpose. If this were true, everything in life would be free. The government would just pay for everything.

[@thedebateroom]

I haven't started the video yet, but I want to say before it starts that I think we still don't have a modern civilization. Our civilization still uses the same monetary systems used during the Neolithic Revolution, all of which require poverty, market slavery, and infinite growth in order to function. We won't have a modern civilization until the means of production and distribution are all automated and monetary systems rendered obsolete or optional.

[@Zelp789]

Then everyone will be out of a job and would require welfare which would accelerate resource depletion faster.

[@thedebateroom]

@@Zelp789 I fail to see how eliminating inefficient commutes to and from jobs via automating the jobs will deplete resources faster, but maybe you can enlighten me?

[@anthonymorris5084]

*"Our civilization still uses the same monetary systems used during the Neolithic Revolution, all of which require poverty, market slavery, and infinite growth in order to function."* Note to self, never get a lesson on economics from a Leftist.

[@alanj9978]

@@thedebateroom If people can all have whatever they want then resource use will skyrocket. If they can't have whatever they want, then they'll reinvent money or find another way to have a black market to get it.

[@thedebateroom]

@@alanj9978 Sure, but it would go up according to what people need first and foremost as opposed to needs being ignored in favor of whatever is most profitable first. Such as rail > cars, food and shelter > whatever the donor class would normally want

[@michelleelsom6827]

I've often thought, if there was a time for religious leaders to start leading surely that time is now, otherwise what is the point of their existence? anyone can quote from a script, the true value of religion has to be in guiding the people through difficult times in a real-time, informative way, preparing people for what is to come & helping them to accept & deal with the climate collapse facing us all today.

[@adambazso9207]

They won't do that because all they want is serve the people who are in power and gain power and wealth themselves. They're mostly rotten on the inside.

[@brendawilliams8062]

The comprehension that people nor machines are going to solve problems of this magnitude and severity is solemn. The pursuit of the individual as an individual will overwhelm and engulf the populations. As it exploits reason and ears it’s last hope until it is heads or tails. In your face it stares.

[@DistinctiveBlend]

Religion? Please, accepting and dealing with reality isn't in the portfolio. Most of them believe their favorite deity will come down and whip them away to their magic afterlife. They see the increasing destructive weather as a sign that their savior will be here soon as they go about business as usual, all while feeling safe in their delusion that they'll be saved. To address you question directly the point of religious leaders is to exploit their flock, whispering sweet nothings as they extract all they can.

[@CelestialWoodway]

Religion follows, it never leads.

[@remicaron3191]

YES

[@grahammewburn]

Civilisations come and go. Our global civilisation is next.

[@pubguc6771]

Research of general scientific energy power technology digital ecosystem

[@mecdrum7]

Check out SGI

[@janklaas6885]

39:50

[@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186]

Most people don't understand the real problem. The real problem is our behavior towards the environment. What is the nature of our behavior? Answer: "Follow the money." Our true Profit is our Lord?... God?... Love?... Country?... business?... Environment. We are fed by our environment, and it is our one and only true Profit. You can call your "Profit" anything you would like to call it. Call it a person's name or a religion, business, country, etcetera. But what do you really get with any of these things? You get, in this society, the credits that you will need in order to be fed by your true Profit i.e., the substance of the Environment that you need in order to live. Think about how we are all destroying our one true Profit, not because we eat from it, but because we don't feed it. Our true Profit is starving, and we really can't live without our Profit. When you get paid for your work, do you go home and burn your paycheck and then set your house on fire. No, because you can't live without your Profit. So then, why are we destroying our one and only actual and real true Profit i.e., the Environment? It is because we have failed to properly identify our Profit. It seems very strange to me that the dictionary definition of Profit doesn't include the word Environment. The Environment really is our only true Profit. We must realize that all of us are living within the bounds of a false definition of Profit. Our behavior is being guided by the false Profit. May I propose that we need to adjust our behavior in order to rescue our Profit. How dare we mis-define our true Profit by leaving the Profits true name out of "Profits" definition. Our true Profit is our Environment. Environment is the Profits name. This is how the word Profit should be defined: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for our Environment, and for the substance that it provides to all of us. If we don't give our true Profit the honor of a proper definition, then the false Profit will kill us all. We'd better hurry because we are running out of time. P.S. We must honor our Profit, the Environment. Let's all show our highest and most loving respect for the Environment, our one and only true Profit. Profit should always start with a capital "P" and Profits name should always start with a capital "E", so we will always be reminded that it's our life line. 💖

[@andybunn5780]

The borderline of satire and genius

[@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186]

@@andybunn5780 Thanks. I finally said it in just 4 lines. cause: Profit = income - expenses. Erroneous, because it fails to recognize the environment as the only source of our sustenance, or true Profit. The Solution is: Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us. We must create a world economy that supports this new dictionary definition of "Profit". P.S. We must hurry! It may be too late, but it's never too late to try. Stop treating the environment like an expense and start treating it like our true and only Profit. Stop burning the paycheck. Let's change our behavior 1st.

[@andybunn5780]

@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186 I just want to mention that in modern accounting, people are solely considered a liability because of which side of the ledger sheet their pay fall on. I think that we need to treat people like people before we will ever accomplish a respect for the environment. Not that I disagree with you, but 1 step at a time.

[@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186]

@@andybunn5780 I get your point and you're on the right track because with "Profit = + income - expenses", the only thing on the plus side of the equation is income. Everything after the minus sign is the environment, and that includes us. This new definition of profit does away with two items, income and expenses, because in natures real economy we have already been paid in full, in advance. Our only job now is to stay out of overshoot. One might think that our first step is to reduce overpopulation with a "global law" that allows only one child per family. It's a great idea but under our present definition of profit, the global economy would go bankrupt in a few years for lack of sales in a shrinking economy. One might think we can simply switch technologies, like solar instead of fossil fuel, but that leaves the entire environment including us, on the wrong side of the ledger. The new definition of profit is a much better fit with nature's real economy: "Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides for all of us". I know now how to create a "Global Economic Model" that fits well with this new definition of profit. Regular people like us need to initiate a new organization that I would call the "Environmental Protection Force" (EPF). It's initial purpose will be to create a workable "global economic model" that can operate well with our new definition of profit. Ultimately, the EPF is a fundamental part of the new global economic model because it will coordinate the entire new global economic model. What do you think about this idea? Any input you can give is greatly appreciated. Thanks Andy.

[@andybunn5780]

@@hascleavrahmbenyoseph7186 How about we simply turn our lawns into mini-farms and separate from the pre-existing system as much as possible? Homesteading is still a possibility somewhere, I'm sure. I simply want to minimize my interaction with the broken system in ways that will be personally constructive.

[@bdot7187]

“Climate changely acceptable politics “ politics lost its reputition

[@NorthStarPNW]

Why people deny climate science: “It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” - Mark Twain

[@anthonymorris5084]

Pot calling kettle black.

[@brendawilliams8062]

Imagine all the people? It’s not the only one.

[@bikesgoodgasbad]

Subtitle for the Exxon executives’ playbook created in response to James Black’s research (their own scientist)

[@donhawkins9742]

o well

[@derekmiller8564]

REFOREST EARTH. 🌎

[@donniemoder1466]

Fell asleep within 10 minutes.

[@CharlesBrown-xq5ug]

Nature may have given everyone a wonderful energy source that was beyond the imagination of Victorian England as they became enthralled by going beyond nature as they industrialzed and used steam engines, dynamos, and electric motors. They chose the second law of thermodymamics, which is a drain towards tepid stagnation without proof, instead of full realization of the well supported finding, even then, that energy can change form but not be created or destroyed. It may be possible to borrow thermal energy from our planetary air, water, or ground, convert it to electricity, and use the electricity as we wish and then return the thermal consequences of this use to the planet. Refrigerators and air conditioners in this system would produce electricity in exact equivalence to the heat they absorb. This perpetual cycling of energy is sustainable, extremely growable, clean, abundant, and more or less always and everywhere available. Human rationality is neded to develop this; plants, animals, and hybrids haven't developed it in billions of years. Here is a thought experiment device that hypothetically creates self powered thermal diversification. The thought experiment device is impractical but easy to visualize and check for mechanical workability. Its parts are large enough to act as everyday mechanisms but small enough to work well with the nanometer scale thermal motions of gas molecules. Sketch made with keyboard characters: COLD ROOM ())--:WALL:-->> HOT ROOM Key ()) = Paddlewheel. -- = Axle. (Continuous from end to end) : : = Axle tunnel going through a wall. >> = Lumped friction element Please visualize two roome full of air separated by a very thin wall that allows the rooms to hold their heat independently with minor leakage through the wall. The wall is thin to delicately support billions of separate nanometer scale short axles running straight through loosely enough to rotate freely but not leak very much heat so the rooms can hold separate temperatures. On the left side, a very small paddlewheel is mounted at the left end of each axle. On the right side, lumped friction elements are mounted stationary in place on the wall, one for each axle, for the right end of each axle to run through. The lumped friction elements convert the mechanical rotation of their axle into heat. The lumped friction elements do not impart Brownian motion to their axle. Brownian motion (a nanometer scale effect) turns the paddlewheels at random speeds randomly clockwise or counterclockwise. This random rotation is turned into heat by the lumped friction elements. The committed, linked, and functional roles of the walls, paddlewheels, axles, and lumped friction elements in differnt places should systemically produce a divergence in the thermal energy in the two rooms without adding external energy. Another hypothetical device is the "nanometer scale aggregate" derivitive of Nicola Tesla's "vavular conduit" a fluidic device (Tesla valve) where, other than minor structual erosion, only the fluid inside moves. The structure directly, without need of information, imposes the property that fluid flow is somewhat one way because flow restricting turbulence is generated when the fluid attempts to move in the reverse direction. This hypothetically, can be scaled down to rectify the Brownian thermal motion of the fluid. The effect is very small so billions of conduits must be collectively oriented the same way to aggregate useful power. Here is a hypothetical practical method with the working name thermary: The thermary mainly consists of two electrodes closely face to face (~1 micrometer) in a vacuum wired to an external electrical load. The face of the [Emitter] electrode is covered with a uniform array of LaB6 tipped small diameter carbon nanotubes grown straight out. The face of the [Absorber] electrode is covered with small scale graphine flake char. [Rice U 2014] Thermal energy mobilized unattached electrons will tend to free themselves outward from the emitter tips and drift at ~1 million meters / second @ 25 millivolts (thermal electron energy @ 20 C) to the absorber which tends to collect them. A negative charge accumulates on the absorber. This repels oncoming electrons slowing their forward drift, cooling them. The absorber electrode charge is simultaneously the repelling cooling and the external electrical load voltage. The drift current and external wire route current are the same. The DC electrical power consumed by the electrical load depends on the load resistance. Thermal energy absorption always equals the electrical yield. Wire resistance is a practical loss not a true loss so lt is overcome by added thermary output. The extra cooling balances the heat given off by the wire loss. The performance of the device is expected to be modest in the beginning but improve rapidly. Even early devices are expected to last a long time. There is little place for obsolence if the first installed thermary works adequately. They will withstand being short circuited indefinately up to an electromigration limit. Cell phones wouldn't die or need power cords or batteries or become hot. They would cool when transmitting radio signal power. Frozen food storage would be reliable and free or value positive. That means homes and markets would have independent power to preserve food. Vehicles wouldn't need fuel or fueling stops. Elevators would be very reliable with independent power. Water and sewage pumps may be placed anywhere. Nomads could raise their material supports item by item carefully and groups of people could modify their settlements with great technical flexibility. Zone refining would involve little net power. Reducing Bauxite to Aluminum, Rutile to Titanium, and Magnetite to Iron, would have a net cooling effect. With enough cheap power H2O and CO2 levels in the biosphere could be modified. There should be a unitary agency to look after our planetary concerns. I am not interested in any more patents. I have enough of a reputation with patent us3890161A Diode Array. The exclusionary use of patents breaks up synergistic benefits. Public participation is needed for wide scientific, general, and spiritual discourse, efficient use and efficient further development. Wide exposure to the public renders invention concepts unpatentable. Other teams have built low power prototypes of their concepts too so breakeve perpetual motion is likely to emerge somewhere. This would be a large change in civilization's relationship with energy, materials and industry. Ultimately it can be polutionless, sustainable, extremely growable abundance but it disrupts many complex relationships so all kinds of human behavior would be set loose. I have been promoting this with increasing intensity for over 50 years because of its ultimate promise. It needs more attention to anticipate rough edges. Edward Bellamy's utopian novel "Looking Backwards" depicts a unified, peaceful, fulfilling society that was attained after a mostly peaceful transition. I think fundamentally new as well as updated older products should be manufactured in AI operated / human managed cooperative conglomerates (cooperative internally and externally). Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should freely talk and move as negotiated. Semicustom products would be sold at honest accounting commodity prices. No wealth draining top commanders are needed. It may be partly capitalized by factoring, and the factorers may have parts of the conglomerate somewhat dedicated to the production of their preferred products. The conglomerate may operate with wide participation for the betterment of civilization. I forsee a lot of people working for creative expression because the benefits of clean abundant pervasively useful energy will propagate through many manufacturing chains resulting in a materials web where material goods are inexpensive and a services web where people don't have to struggle to survive but can synergize and socialize with each other. Living will be inexpensive. Money will be left with individuals to donate as they wish instead of wealth being trickled back by conspicuous philanthropy. Aloha Charles M Brown lll Kauai, Hawaii

[@tallinthesaddle1727]

How do you silence a climate change alarmist? Ask them this question: What is the proper amount of atmospheric CO2...They have no answer. First it was air pollution, then it was global warming, now it’s climate change. In the ’70’s air pollution was going to blot out the sun and put us into an ice age and mass starvation. We were also going to run out of oil. Many claims were made by the (well funded) “experts” that never happened. Then the (well funded) “expert” climate watchdogs transitioned into frightening claims about global warming. They ignored climate history showing warmer global temperatures before the industrial age showing no human cause and effect to temperatures but never the less tried to convince us with their inaccurate computer predictions . Now we have (well funded) “experts” telling us the weather system is broken and using the term “climate change” to prove it. What did climate do before it changed? Here’s the problem as I see it. Humanity has been subjected to over fifty years of (well funded) “expert” claims that didn’t happen. Have any of those spewing lies ever been held accountable? No. They continue on (well funded) unabated. Here’s where I think this whole scene needs to go. Funding stops until claims are specifically defined, measured and verified, the climate change alarmists must describe exactly what is wrong with the climate, how they know that, can prove it with verifiable testing (isn’t that how real science works?) before humanity is deprived of the many benefits of fossil fuel just because they say so. Have they said what the proper amount of atmospheric CO2 should be? No. How will they prove the number they decide on will fix climate change? How will anyone know when climate change has been fixed? There seems to be no scientific method at work here only assumptions, emotional warnings and ultimatums. Could billions of dollars in grant money prompt someone to say something they don’t really believe and can’t prove? Folks there are too many unanswered questions to take any of this seriously.

[@HealingLifeKwikly]

"How do you silence a climate change alarmist? Ask them this question: What is the proper amount of atmospheric CO2...They have no answer." That's simply false. The proper levels of atmospheric CO2 for us to get back to are around 300-325 ppm. Lower would be better but likely unattainable, but that's close to the 260-300 ppm that all species and ecosystems now on Earth are well adapted to, and around which we built most of human civilization. Our civilization isn't equipped for 420 ppm or 500 ppm because that means we're heading toward 10-30 feet of eventual sea level rise--plus much of the planet becoming uninhabitable. Speaking as a researcher who has studies this issue for years, your other points are either false or speculative and most have been throughly debunked by the scientific evidemce. "Many claims were made by the (well funded) “experts” that never happened." Actually, the predictions by the majority of experts in each field have either been spot on since the 1980s, or too conservative. You're getting your information from cherry-picked examples from untrustworthy websites. ":Folks there are too many unanswered questions to take any of this seriously." No, there aren't, but are you one of those people who gets paid a lot to spread misinformation on social media? Please, go read the science and history of these issues instead of spreading misinformation.

[@wbiro]

What do you get when philosophy horribly lags technology? You get the 20th Century and videos as clueless* as this in the 21st. *as defined by the Philosophy of Broader Survival. Read it (it will not be televised).

[@pool2587]

Enforced holidays biolabs,auto production

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

sovereign God substantive choice organizing people of world

[@asdf7219]

Well shit i guess the unabomber was right.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

yes only did he figure out the truth because he was a victim of MKULTRA psychological torture?

[@vincentkosik403]

His cabin is waiting for a new occupant in Montana

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

substantive human rights states / nation unity for God's federal sovereignty to rescue UN and member nations.

[@hattmarvey1989]

But... life has never been better for almost everyone! More food, better health, better living standards, far fewer people in poverty. Except maybe in certain Socialist countries. nehpetS rekniP has excellent lectures on this subject, with all the data too.

[@pool2587]

Hockey stick

[@pool2587]

Tumbler ridge to Prince Rupert electric coal train

[@arlinegeorge6967]

Very interesting,informative knowledge. Thank you all. India is a great country with mystical religion. I have been a survivor of the greatest mystical experiences started by females of SNDT womens University, with officer of the Indian Armed forces., for speaking of corruption in the system.pray i am wrong for acussing them. Now it's becoming more magical coz few followers of the greatest man who came to save humanity Jesus Christ are heavily involved. Presently the evil deeds were practiced at Tashi Namgyal Academy school, Gangtok. We are all interconnected Nature, human s living dead. I pray i am wrong because the world is suffering corona is one example, many more may follow if, my country does not stop abusing the weak, and the poor. Thank you all, peace and love to all.

[@vincentkosik403]

The J curve strikes again...hold on

[@derekmiller8564]

Mask waste of resources

[@richardkut3976]

Too hopeful, get real.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Why don't all these doomsday videos simply edit down to 10 seconds with the simple message that "we're all going to die". Because that is the myopic sentiment regurgitated throughout the comment section of everyone of these doomsday videos. Get a grip.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@Javi Oz Did it really take you more than 10 seconds to read that. That explains a lot.

[@bikesgoodgasbad]

“We’re all going to die” isn’t the message. Everything living dies, always has, and is still going to, even if the issues addressed here were instantly solved.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@bikesgoodgasbad Thanks for informing us of something we already know. Now have a glance down through the comments section and witness how many people are convinced humanity is going extinct. Sometimes within 5 years. This hyperbolic nonsense is endemic within the climate movement.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

substantive choice for God's federal hegemony of free will kingdom

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

God leadership of free will kingdom in world provides substantive choice for needed organization of peoples and nations

[@TCRgalaxy]

WASF 🔥🪦🌎🪦🔥

[@domitron]

By the way, Dr. William Rees is a breeder. I think that pretty much says it all.

[@janklaas6885]

what do you mean exactly ?

[@kirkha100]

So as he learned all this and his understanding increased, should he have, should he still, finish off his children to satisfy your expectation of perfect integrity. We are all hostages to biological imperatives, supporting memetic complexes, and various resonant cultures to those imperatives. You know, to act comparably to your own moral perfection.

[@rachaelfleming7132]

These men are misleading you ...half truths do not justify their deceipt and lies they know not what Gods love is if they did they wouldnt be misleading you..

[@r.bevantrembly3687]

It is inspirational to me to remember many indigenous societies, notably in California, lived in harmony, balance, stable population and territorial integrity with their neighbors without war. Sadly, two centuries of contact with civilization have completely obliterated almost all of them but we need to listen carefully to what wisdom their elders have to share with us to help us toward our “Soft Landing” !