Will SF6's Low Patch Frequency Hurt Future Sales? And More! (Viewer Q&A)

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@PowerQuestGB 3 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear about you struggling James, you are literally the godfather of the FGC. Here's hoping that you can be an ambassador for a company that will be quick to hire you and use your many years of expertise in the FGC/eSports. Been listening to you since high school and twenty years later, I know the pain man! My friends are in the FGC and i went and did the Guile thing (became a family man). Barely can follow the ongoings now but your content has helped me. Hoping that a company hires you and uses your knowledge asap WHILE still allowing for you to speak your mind on everything FGC!

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Don’t worry about it. I knew going into this that there’s no money in the FGC. I just wanted to do something I loved. And I can get by barring disasters, so hopefully things will be able to sustain. Plus, I got no one depending on me except my cats so it’s fine. I just need to find myself a sugar momma. Hahaha!

@Mike4pf 3 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV 🐐

@PowerQuestGB 3 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV When you do something you love, you don't have to work away in 45-50 hour work days at a job you don't like hahaha! Not the sugar momma! haha! Dude you will find something or a company that will allow you to express some great content will find you man! Same here, I play my OG Game Boy out of passion and love, some things money can't buy, happiness and your amazing cats aren't one of them!

@SuperLemonfish 3 ай бұрын

Team long hair! also, it sounds like you are describing adhd symptoms, not age symptoms. but you can always work through those issues! drill everything in training mode.

@AceBadguy 3 ай бұрын

Thank you James for answering all of our questions here.

@CielBlanche 3 ай бұрын

The lapses in awareness/concentration James described seems to me more like a kind of mental fog, not really age-related reaction slowdown, which itself is generally overblown. I had a similar thing going on in my 20s and I eventually realized I had sleep apnea without knowing it. If you can't focus on things like a fighting game match it might be because you're having constant micro-awakenings in the night and it's interrupting your REM sleep constantly. Sleep apnea is really common among people who work at desks a lot because of forward head posture and neck muscle strain, as well as increases in body weight. If you take an at-home sleep test, you might be surprised at what you find out - I for one never thought I could have it at my age, height, and weight. With treatment you might find your brain working a lot better! It could also be some other medical reason, so asking a (good) doctor might help.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was diagnosed with sleep apnea yeeeeeears ago. Having gotten a CPAP, life definitely got a lot better for me. Hahaha. Haven’t stopped using one since. So it’s probably not that. I feel like it might also just be a part of my ADHD where I can’t keep my brain focused very well. The meds have solved other ADHD aspects, but this one is still going.

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

I really doubt that less frequency balance patch gonna affect SF 6 future sales. Balance patch alone never been a major factor for the majority of people especially casuals as a main reason to buy a fighting game. They see cool design characters, flashy combos, cute costumes, and solid single player contents then they will buy the game. That's why there still plenty of people playing Avatar Battle in Battle Hub using TMNT, Baki, Spy x Family, or Monster Hunter costumes. These people are pretty much casual players who wants to just have fun with their friends or randos without thinking about balance or tier list. And the only group who cares a lot about balance patch is the competitive scenes which maybe around 2-3% of SF 6 total player base.

@marlinmurrell620 3 ай бұрын

True. I dont really play Avatar Battles, but I just regularly go to the battle hub to play with some random people.

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

@@marlinmurrell620 Sometimes i got to Battle Hub to finish weekly challenge for drive tickets which usually involved avatar battle or playing randoms at the cabinet. But mostly i just played Capcom classic arcade games like Final Fight, SF II, etc for an hour. Whoever gave the idea for Battle Hub where everyone can play Capcom old games or just spectate match is a genius.

@Zelldic27 3 ай бұрын

The game still feels kinda stagnant tho, i think thats the problem here. People these days are way too used to play games with frequent updates.

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

@@Zelldic27 I bet even if Capcom released balance update for every month the same as Tekken 8 or MK 1, people will not satisfy and gonna keeps complaining. I personally never feel SF 6 meta got stagnant at all considering i've seen different characters won tourneys and many pros showed new tech or combos every week that i can try in the lab. And after my main Ed released, i feel SF 6 became a lot more fun and dynamic since he has plenty of cool stuff to experiment with. I spent a lot of time labbing Ed Super 2 alone and i keep seeing people found new optimal combo routes.

@Emiridian 3 ай бұрын

It’s always such a good vibe hearing any content creator talk about mental health, but especially so when they are older than 20’s or 30’s

@ShinOwen2 3 ай бұрын

The training and online training that SF6 has is very good. Including the online experience is the best it has ever been. As for the DI’s and Dry Rush, it those are annoying. We have to acknowledge the good and bad, as a whole SF6 is probably the best Fighting game out.

@eliholland1365 3 ай бұрын

I play Kimberly, I think she is super-fun. I am not good enough to know how bad she is. Its fun going into ranked and practicing my anti-airs, counter DI, and throw loop/shimmy game. I am not worried about her defensive options because i am more worried about putting people in the corner and keeping them there. I am limiting my wins because i am not good, it ain't Kim. I hope she never gets patched and if she does, i hope the patches don't homogenize her gameplay with the rest of the cast.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. The easiest solution is giving her an OD DP. But I have a TON of ideas to buff her (don’t do all of them) that could buff her and keep her unique. I really enjoy her uniqueness, but do not enjoy feeling helpless in the corner and in Neutral. It’s a rough life for her. :-(

@marlinmurrell620 3 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV As a Gief main, welcome (It's my first Street Fighter, and I'm at platinum 1 lol)

@eliholland1365 3 ай бұрын

@UltraChenTV omg a reply! No sarcasm with this statement, I feel blessed. Corner I am less worried about the outcomes as I have your voice in my head when you responded to some asking in SFV what you do in the corner, "you die." Neutral at my skill rank is an adventure. Lots of interactions where someone is jumping and the other person is doing a DI or raw DR so we just kinda switch sides lol. I saw footage of Punk's Kimberly and while he can do what he does because he is Punk, it was inspiring to see him play neutral and stick people to death with st.mk. after watching I spent the couple days going into training just practicing whiff punishing with it. James, thank you thank you so much for everything you do for the game. I am going to quote Fchamp here: "If there was a hall of fame for fighting games James Chen would be inducted 3 times. He built this. James Chen is special."

@ImarBenIsrael 3 ай бұрын

As a manon player we hoping and coping 🙏

@JadeJackal4 3 ай бұрын

Who's buying a game for patches?

@ArcChristelle 3 ай бұрын

Team Short Hair James for life

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

Nah. Team long hairs 4ever

@stevenalvarez2924 3 ай бұрын

I think you would make a great coach. I don't mean selling your services or being like a lifestyle guru kind of guy. I mean you do a good job of explaining mechanics of a fighting game and defense or offense options that a player can use.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

I would be a great coach for beginners. I could never help a top player become the best. But I would be the guy you hire to get you to competitive level for sure.

@darkshortyx 3 ай бұрын

Long hair James is best James. Don't let Mike make you think short hair is better. He just wants you to be closer to his hair style 😂

@megamawile8540 3 ай бұрын

I agree that your short hair looks way better. I used to prefer long hair myself but I've come to realize I like myself with short hair too now 😅

@destinationskyline07 3 ай бұрын

Hey James, id love to hear you talk about silent Hill 2 as its one of the most analyzed games out there.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Hmmm. I would love to talk about it, just curious what aspect? Since it’s always talked about, I’m not sure if there’s much left for me to say that hasn’t already been said. Haha.

@Mike4pf 3 ай бұрын

Im still hurt that they really dropped akuma teaser 2 weeks after ed release just to wait a month and a half for the gameplay zzz hoping they announce the music or other QOL related features alongside him at EVO JP at least

@MG_Gambino 3 ай бұрын

James, when are you gonna hop on that combo trial train for under night 2? I'd actually like to see how you would break some of those down. I know you would split it up, but being that training mode guy, I'd like to see how you would break a character like yuzu combos down.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

I did a bunch on stream already. I could go back and do more. Haha.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

And Yuzu scares me. LOLOL!

@MG_Gambino 3 ай бұрын

😈😈 I was trying bait you into my struggle 😆. I didn't know you streamed it already though. I'll check out the vods

@vodkagobalsky 2 ай бұрын

Don't worry about being good at SF6. Just play the games you like.

@UltraChenTV 2 ай бұрын

But doctor... I LIKE SF6! O_o

@vodkagobalsky 2 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV You like the idea of liking SF6. What you need to cure your disease is to start playing Alpha 3 again :D

@UltraChenTV 2 ай бұрын

I like the idea of playing a good Kimberly in SF6. :-( Alpha 3 was a bit rough by the end for me. I really hated that I wasn't allowed to play A-Gief anymore in the end. I had to play V-Gief or nothing and I didn't enjoy V-Gief as much.

@ZzigZaG00NIN 3 ай бұрын

Good ol vamp savior I'd love to see the game come back but capcom wouldn't make it with the insane energy it had before

@ArcChristelle 3 ай бұрын

Ngl, the Kimberly struggle burnt me out.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

It’s rough, man. Like… the transition from it being dead easy to dead hard is so jarring. Getting to Master, at least for me, was a piece of cake. I was beating up everyone. Then every in Master knew how to fight her and it just was downhill from there. LOL!

@ArcChristelle 3 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV I'm gonna be real James, everyone says give her back her invincible OD tatsu, but I don't think everyone is being honest with themselves about how much work she needs and that tatsu isn't going to be enough. They're more afraid of her being seen as "too good" or "overpowered" if they ask for more. Most of Kimberly's specials have no real utility outside of combo extension. Her normals are super stubby, every thing she has can get shut down by a crouching jab, and her teleportation sends her to the same place in front of the opponent, with the same timing on all three pressure buttons. Her run isn't safe or oppressive. Her spray can... Her spray can is too limited. And God help if you're forced to play any form of neutral. Matter in fact I'd argue that Kimberly's biggest weakness is that she has no real neutral of her own. At most it's literally a pendulum shift of "did the opponent slip enough in their defense to let you get a victory or did you get shut down?" Kimberly is an awesome concept held by fear, and to most players that fear is more important than her concept being realized. So her fate is doomed to be either a scrub killer or a egocentric pick (a character that's played as proof of player ability). Either way, I expect the pick rate to plummet and the character be a waste of R&D and development resources like SFV Claw. Shit sucks man. I'm just tired of seeing characters seem to be designed with a great concept in mind only to never reach it because the developers and player base were cowards. Meanwhile Luke, JP, and Blanka were running wild free to be themselves. I don't want Kim to be fair, I want her to be good. I'm not so far in my own but that I have to feel "smart" about succeeding with a super limited counterplay with her. Every match I have playing her, even if I win I feel like you; sad and stressed out. Kim is just not fun compared to others.

@CielBlanche 3 ай бұрын

I didn't know you could take antidepressants and ADHD meds at the same time! Can I ask which medications are working for you?

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. Pharmacy and therapist both warned me. But so far so good. I’m on the generics of Effexor and Adderall right now.

@MrRubix01 3 ай бұрын

Great vid as always but I gotta disagree about the one year patch thing. I think there should be a 1 year MINIMUM for any major changes (obviously bug fixes and small changes being the exception). Modern fighting games come out EXTREMELY well balanced, especially compared to legacy games, I think the closeness of some of the characters can ironically increase the bad feeling for those characters on the lower end b/c the players might think "if they just gave my character 'x' they'd be perfect" more, which leads to those player begging for updates. But the problem I see is that players will ALWAYS demand changes too soon. If we listened to the lowest common denominator of player we'd have balance patches every month. I know you're advocating for more of a compromise, say one patch every 6 months (and in principle I'm ok with that), but personally I think 1 year is a good standard that I would I want to see adopted across all fighting games so that players have that expectation set. Again, bug fixes or small changes like the two patches we already got in sf6 would be fine whenever.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Yeah. I don’t want frequent patches. I always say that post-Evo and post-World Tour Finals should be the goal for most games outside of really egregious problems. I’m just worried that we’re losing even the dedicated because they feel like the game is stagnant. Also, because the game is new, I think it’s a bit more pertinent to patch it. Late stages we know what the game is. Early on, maybe the devs didn’t even realize how strong DRs were going to be. We know so little so it’s a bit important to refine the game into a more fleshed out game. Again, I don’t want patches on patches, but two a year doesn’t seem like asking for too much.

@markmessi9020 3 ай бұрын

James Chen imma let you finish, but Daigo Umehara is the greatest fighting game player of all time! - Canyon Westeros, Pro JP player

@CosmicRPG 3 ай бұрын

The thing with doing multiple patches is can make the game more volatile, so the thing of low frequency patches is for evade a bad change that make the game more annoying to the point of damage the playerbase.

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

Yeah right. Keep defending c rapcom and their horrible update schedule

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

Multiple quick patches for fixing bugs / glitches? Sure. But multiple quick balance patches in less than 1/2 to a year is a big no. We already had Tekken 8 and MK 1 as a solid sample of how multiple quick balance patch in 1/2 or a year turned both games into a big pile of mess. Because of that too, both games are losing active players very rapidly. Meanwhile, at Steam charts, SF 6 still have 24K+ active players for 24 hour peak and EVO Japan attendees record also showed SF 6 is far above Tekken 8 and MK 1. So your theory about less frequency patch can make the game more annoying and damage the playerbase is not true.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don’t think anyone is asking for lots of patches. I keep saying two a year is perfect: 1 post Evo, 1 after the World Tour Finals / Start of next Season. 1 entire year can feel stagnant, and even an injection once every 6 months can add a lot of excitement.

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

Jesus james, just be a man and pick back up gief 💪he got a buff and will only get more with the next patch. If he doesnt then ill just wait for a new dlc character that I actually would want to play.

@UltraChenTV 3 ай бұрын

Look, even you said he sucks right now. Why would I wanna go from bad to worse? O_o That’s not gonna help me at all!

@marlinmurrell620 3 ай бұрын

@@UltraChenTV But big grab + read = dopamine rush

@TheLegendaryYou 3 ай бұрын

SF6 >>>>>>> tekken lag 8

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

Tekken 8 character variety > rushdown heavy meta of sf6

@azizkash286 3 ай бұрын

@@666slateran666 lol, Sf6 is a much better fighting game than tekken 8

@TheLegendaryYou 3 ай бұрын

@@666slateran666 lol tekken its the same garbage and with lag sf6 its all new with good net code

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

@@TheLegendaryYouTekken 8 has rollback and is the best net code a 3d bamco joint ever has had.

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

@@azizkash286said the James chen follower, obviously no SF bias. As someone who is a 09er and grew up with Capcom vs snk 2. sf6 is boring and I wish it wasn't. I've already put almost 200 hours in tekken, haven't even cracked 100 in both the ps5 and Pc version

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

Yup, main reason why im not playing. And tourneys with constant top 5 meta is boring

@nateolison7553 3 ай бұрын

What game doesn't have top tiers dominating in the tournament scene?

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

@@nateolison7553 None. But in SF 6 case it actually has more variety than just "top 5" unlike the original poster claim.

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

@@nateolison7553 tekken has a ton of character variety in tournaments. Sure there are some obviously powerful characters but mid tiers can easily get wins. Why do you think rangchu panda was a thing? You would never see a Mannon win a big tourney lmao

@666slateran666 3 ай бұрын

@@thepuppetmaster9284 literally Ken Luke JP Juri Deejay every time. The occasional Chun guile or blanka doesn't mean much when half the roster is unrepresented by and large. People saying sf6 is balanced are hilarious

@nateolison7553 3 ай бұрын

@@666slateran666 Panda's only had one big win in 20+ years. That's way more rare than Manon tbh, has she even been out for a year yet? Haven't looked into T8 much, but T7 was dominated by a handful of characters every patch. Drag & Jack in vanilla. The Kazumi era. The Geese era. The Leroy & Fahk eras... Don't get me wrong, I love Tekken tho.

@BrewSir 3 ай бұрын

I think Capcom shot themselves in the foot with the lack of patches. Street Fighter will never sell like Resident Evil or Monster Hunter which is fine. But they said themselves they're betting on esports. You can't bore both your players and your audience and expect it to thrive in this day and age.

@thepuppetmaster9284 3 ай бұрын

Lol yeah Capcom "shoot themselves" in the foot when last year EVO has *7083* players for SF 6, which was the biggest numbers not just for SF but also the highest compare to other games. No esports games has 7083 players in one offline tournament, not even mainstream like Fortnite or Apex. And this year EVO Japan, SF 6 has *5089* players which again the highest numbers compare to Tekken 8, GG Strive, GranBlue, KoF XV, UNI 2, and even the goat 3rd Strike. I say Capcom and SF 6 at esport scene will be just fine considering Akuma and major balance patch to start season 2 are coming next month and they definitely will garner a lot of hype. But i'm not sure with other fighting games, especially with how fast Tekken 8 and MK 1 losing active players. The interest for both games at competitive scenes also pretty low.