Will this 7-seater EV conquer Europe? BYD Tang REVIEW

[@autogefuehl]

►Shop for merchandise: autogefuehl.shop/ ►Subscribe here: kzbin.info ►Also subscribe to our KZbin shorts channel: www.youtube.com/@thomasautogefuhl?sub_confirmation=1 ►Follow us on Facebook / Instagram / TikTok @autogefuehl ►Sustainability in the automotive industry documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaMsi=bCdeJZORRHNcVmV2 This is our in-depth review of the updated BYD Tang. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience. 00:00 BYD Tang vs Tesla? 00:30 Length, wheels, suspension 01:24 Battery kWh and recharging 02:42 Interior quality 03:33 Seating and comfort 04:53 Cockpit and infotainment 08:20 Interesting detail 08:34 Rear seats 10:08 3rd seating row 11:33 Trunk / boot 13:03 Frunk? 13:39 Acceleration Autobahn 16:00 Comfort and insulation 17:05 Suspension and driving modes 18:40 Assistance systems 20:14 City driving 21:24 Price and EU tariffs? 23:12 Economy and real-world range

[@Wonka0998]

I've had mine for a couple of months by now here in Costa Rica and I love it. I might be biased because it really was the car of my dreams, but now that I've used it so much, I'm in love with it. I had a feeling it wouldn't do good in the Autobahn, but I mean the highest speed you can legally go in my country is 100kmh in some very short highway sections, so I don't really have to worry about it. You can't go 120kmh for more than 5 minutes or you'll crash into a mountain. The rest of the roads are terrible, and I do feel a big big difference between the Sport and Comfort suspension modes.

[@komibrightecuador9133]

Yo tengo el mío en Ecuador hace 6 meses. Es una delicia de auto. Esperemos que con el mantenimiento adecuado no de problema a largo plazo

[@junglebeam1]

Thinking about getting one in Costa as well…curious how it does on lastre with such a low ground clearance.

[@Wonka0998]

@@junglebeam1 it's not that low. 18cm is good enough. If only you knew the places I went through with my previous Hyundai Grand i10 😂

[@junglebeam1]

@@Wonka0998 thanks appreciate the response. I’m deep in Osa and our roads are really tough. Wish I could get a Rivian down here.

[@emperornephew6487]

Say highway, not Autobahn. Autobahn is just the german word, ok!

[@LL-rm8xt]

Best reviewer ever, totally impartial and fair

[@Wh1teDream]

Indeed, this vehicle is set for a big overhaul by the end of this year or early next year. The EV version will employ motors with exceptionally high rotational speeds, coupled with higher voltage batteries and more efficient thermal management systems, all aimed at enhancing top speed and extending driving range. The PHEV variant, on the other hand, will utilize an upgraded version of the hybrid technology first seen in the Qin L model, achieving remarkable range capabilities. Both versions will feature distinct dedicated chassis, and in conjunction with BYD's recent advancements, they promise a significantly enhanced driving experience.

[@rlander]

Ok, chatgpt

[@RuiChambel]

So, Chinese tax payers are subsidising car companies for the Europeans to have cheaper cars... And the EU is complaining about it? Has anyone asked the EU consumers if they prefer to pay for more expensive cars? Also, the EU tax payers subsidise lots of European companies, to make them more competitive. Why wouldn't the Chinese or any other country do the same?

[@Jajalaatmaar]

China already does that for years. The tariff on non-chinese produced cars are about 25%. It succeeded in bringing production to China.

[@brankotozija2457]

😂

[@TerbrugZondolop]

Styling is always subjective, however the materials are on a level that VW can only dream off yet people complain and moan. Go buy a plastic Tiguan for 60k then.

[@omenz878]

Say that you have never seen tiguan in real life without saying it. The only difference I could spot with a tiguan material wise is the soft top part on the rear doors interior and absence of the carpeting in the pockets in the doors in BYD. Tiguan starts at 32k.

[@TerbrugZondolop]

@@omenz878 starting at 32k. Have you seen what it looks like at that price? Worse than Dacia. Stop talking shit.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

@@TerbrugZondolop You were the one that specifically said a "plastic" Tiguan costs "60k"... he was responding to you saying the "plastic" version of the Tiguan costs "32k".

[@omenz878]

@@TerbrugZondolop you can buy a Tiguan with ventilated power leather seats with massage function starting from 36k eur. You should take a look at Dacia one more time.

[@TerbrugZondolop]

@@JohnDorian-j7x Go buy it.

[@Ian_Woods]

without doubt the best car reviewer on youtube

[@autogefuehl]

thanks so much my friend !

[@autogefuehl]

Data & facts: BYD Tang (EV 7-seater) Shown color: mountain grey 4,97 m 196“ length 21“ wheels Adaptive dampers Interior only animal skin 12,3” instruments 15,6“ screen 517 hp AWD 4,9 s When normal driving rather FWD Rear electric motor is slightly stronger VMax 190 km/h 118 mph 109 kWh gross LFP battery 11 kW AC 170 kW DC peak, 30 Min 30-80 % Heat pump standard, V2L In China, also a PHEV is sold and pure ICE was sold 1,5 t towing Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.

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[@Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj]

Id happily take the softer suspension over high speed stability over 110 mph. Like people are judging this car because of that but the benefit is ride comfort. The stability was also better at motorway speeds around 60mph aswell, on a car like this, I think BYD made a good choice for choosing ride comfort and soft suspension over a firmer setup just to fulfil the needs of the small amount of people who use the autobahn or motoring journalists who prefer sports-car feel. Great video!

[@dragospahontu]

You can have both soft and stable. This is just shit.

[@yissibiiyte]

​@@dragospahontuyou can have both in theory, it's just that very few cars do. The vast majority of "luxury" cars out there have sports suspension with zero comfort. BYD having suspension that's actually comfortable is definitely unique

[@dragospahontu]

@@yissibiiyte i mean for sure but even something like a Toyota Highlander is super soft but is still safe at top speed o 180km/h.

[@Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj]

@@dragospahontu It is likely to be safe, but so is the byd😭…. The BYD has a lower centre of gravity than the highlander and also has a wider tread than the highlander so is likely to be more stable than the highlander at higher speed

[@dragospahontu]

@@Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj never on planet earth. Any Toyota is safer while driving and definitely in the event of a crash. Just look at the moose test results and euroncap or the American standard.

[@Extralarse]

I think the rotating screen is ingenious! My Volvo's 9" portrait screen is okay for navigation but it's terrible for any entertainment while e.g. charging the car. I mean KZbin is bigger on most smartphones than on the center screen. I want this in my next car so I hope other manufacturers take an example and stop being so conservative and boring. I prefer a European car over a Chinese car but they really have to step it up if they want to keep competing.

[@kaanozdemir1019]

Even though this video is fairly new, three weeks is a long time for substantial news to happen. Turkish government just signed a 1 billion dollar agreement with BYD. BYD will build a new production facility in Turkiye that will produce 150 thousand cars per year. Also, the plant is expected to start production in a very short time, later in 2026. This will allow BYD to avoid approximately 38% of taxes that are applied by the EU to China. Smart and very lucrative solution for both parties.

[@fabiobernardes974]

Excellent review as usual! Congratulations

[@1981zayn]

Thank you Thomas, with the upcoming tariffs the chances for this vehicle arriving in Europe or US is very unlikely 😢

[@TomLaz]

It looks great and thanks for the review! One thing I wish more car makers would do with their 7-seater SUV is to allow us to keep the boot covers within the car. The Škoda Kodiaq does that very nicely. I noticed the BYD Tang did not have a slot to keep the boot cover under the lid with all the kit.. That would have made it perfect!

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!

[@ArturoBandiniWannabe]

Great review Thomas! But, checkout the right edge of the microfiber below the dashboard - at 07:51. It seems like extremely poor finish / quality....

[@TL-xw6fh]

Do we need to add another 38% to the price soon?

[@bahenbihen]

It's a bit less for BYD, but yes... EU likes to protect its market

[@syzh1274]

这是上一代的老唐EV了，在售的唐为荣耀版用的是中国结尾灯，并在内外做了些许升级改进，下一代搭载DM5的唐再过几个月就要来了

[@robertowen6499]

I really like the way that you conduct your reviews Thomas.Never been a fan of the shape of S.U.V.s But this one has some pleasant lines. An E.V. does not satisfy my life style either, however I enjoyed your informative and fair review - I always learn something from you.Thanks, Bob.

[@haobeiliang7355]

even chinese think this car drives like shit, the only advantage is the power and price. The real fun of this car is "this car is so fking cheap and the power is so fking strong that you can fk it as hard as you can and dont need to worry about how to fix it"

[@haobeiliang7355]

even chinese think this car drives like shit, the only advantage is the power and price. The real fun of this car is "this car is so fking cheap and the power is so fking strong that you can fk it as hard as you can and dont need to worry about how to fix it"

[@cez8017]

Piano-black. Fingerprints, reflections, scraches and dust. On what universe do people find it good?

[@levelazn]

its an EV. it's good engineering, has blade battery. Piano blacks are just a trim that can be customized.

[@Vahndamme]

the piano black hurts my eyes hahahhaha also with the brown seats.. I don't get it.. Chinese cars are so obvious in their design and I don't think I've heard anyone say "wow what an interior design" .. like I was at Brussels motor show and it had the BYD Han , from the outside it looked nice but inside everybody was like yikes... outside it had a nice deep green color and the DRLs are nice.. but inside... aaaaaa

[@yongchenlu6356]

@@Vahndamme Imagine 90%of our taxi are BYD cars, and with driver's poor driving skill(hard accelerate--hard brake--hard accelerete ),It's nightmare taking a taxi. Every time I take a taxi:😵‍💫🥴🤢🤮😵💀

[@Vahndamme]

@@yongchenlu6356 ooof that's a nightmare.. here it are all high class Mercedes diesels or hybrids.. and many Ubers driving like Toyota RAV4 hybrids, etc.. I can imagine an unexperienced EV driver driving one pedal drive 😅 it's a nightmare.. my friend drove my car once and he really didn't understand the one pedal drive yet.. and having a dual motor with insane acceleration figure.. yeah.. nightmare haha

[@TD1237]

@@levelazn True. As you said, it's well engineered.

[@alexshoneya]

EU better to cooperate with China. If China raise taxes back for EU and US car makers, it will bancrupt many of them. VW sales 40% of its cars in China. What will happen to VW if they loose that sales?

[@sammytsang7479]

VW sell 40% of their cars to China. What percentage of profit does VW make from China? 40% also

[@dokitops7389]

No created in China and likely razor thin margins​@@sammytsang7479

[@horuscheng3476]

The design of the BYD Tang EV is outdated in the Chinese market, and its sales volume has proven this point. When it comes to mid-size SUVs in China, people immediately think of the Li Auto L8, L9, or AITO M7, M9. With the addition of tariffs, I can't think of any reasons for people to buy it in Europe.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Its a definite winner

[@PaulMeier-cu3ds]

This interesting, so thank you. From what you show BYD are not quite there no matter the price. But I bet they are going to get there before long.

[@sammaimas155]

The sideways shaking of the camera mount is a bit disconcerting and makes it feel as if the car has a vibration happening...

[@bhaaratsharma6023]

I'm glad you talked about trunk space in terms of dimentions instead of volume because I need to know if it can big my suitcases. WTF am I supposed to know how many litres is it? That doesn't make sense an it doesn't give a true sense of boot space

[@autogefuehl]

👍👍

[@Windows10Haker]

Hello. Thank you. Could you please tell me how tall you are? I want to understand how tall people can sit on the 3rd row of BYD Tang EV. Or please write how much space from the seat to the ceiling in the car on the 3rd row

[@Windows10Haker]

@autogefuehl

[@autogefuehl]

Stated in every interior part of every review since 10 years 😁

[@autogefuehl]

189m 6f2

[@Windows10Haker]

​@@autogefuehl, thank you very much. So, not counting knees, in terms of headroom, any adult passenger can sit there. That's better than the Tesla Model Y

[@Eberron94]

Hey Thomas, have you Test Driven the 1.8L engine? can you give me any feedback or advice about it? We are currently looking for a new car, in order to make our family car with my wife. We are in between Corolla Cross and C-HR. WOuld love to hear your advice on the matter :)

[@kinhung]

what if BYD not cheaper than others? will you consider only with low price ?

[@autogefuehl]

Without low price they wont have a chance

[@Vahndamme]

a brand enterring a new market (for them) and such a well established one as in Europe.. no way they can snoop away marketshare without lower price tags.. even if the product is equal or slightly better, people don't know it and won't go for it unless they get out proper media out that points this out .. but nothing is as easy as : "good car, lower price tag" , this is the strongest point you can make to get people to buy your product in a new market..

[@Twin.motors]

Not a chance

[@rashaxxl1]

Nice seats, not like the new Mercedes seats.

[@Ianmundo]

for a new EV the styling is quite dated, it looks a lot like a Kia Sorento

[@floxshuilee1760]

Old car, just new to Europe. on sale now for 25K USD in China now.

[@ianpolo5673]

Tang is actually an older model of BYD. It just being given facelift to freshen the front and rear and also the dashboard.

[@georgethepanda6545]

As a Chinese person, I also agree with this comment. The design of BYD is a bit old-fashioned, and it might appeal to more conservative middle-aged Chinese men. However, younger people like me might prefer the designs of Nio and Zeekr.

[@beewh001]

If that's dated then all Tesla interior are out of date :D

[@Gladiatorking7]

Telsa's designs are the ugliest and people still buy them.

[@RDstar8]

The better the Chinese car they do the higher tax are coming soon. Undoubtedly amazing car and best review 🎉

[@jesse小榕]

Tang EV is developed based on the combustion and hybrid platform rather than the specific EV platform but it sells cheap in China. So I think the rich Europeans don't need this too much.

[@NicolaMs007]

I would definitely get one as a 7 seater, If I couldn't get this in the UK then I would choose the Model Y or 7 Seater Model X

[@michaeljiang960]

The current Tang is an old car due to be refreshed completely very soon. Not a good timing for the review.

[@jaguarpw]

I hope this model comes to the Philippines one day

[@MrSnejkaj]

Is plastic really more sustainable than leather?

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@JFB_17-p2q]

I’ll opt for the BYD’s comfort over the stiffer suspension of other car brands.

[@3von3]

Hello Thomas. Why didn't you go to the Bugatti Tourbillon presentation? 😢😢😢

[@baltazarkosa29]

this model also comes in a PHEV version, which might be even more interesting for you considering, IMHO

[@vtechead1]

Keep your money for the next version. Good review though.

[@autogefuehl]

Cheers!

[@pakcurrentgaming6077]

great reviwe ❤

[@MrAigarValb]

There are still some very cool cars in China. For example Huawei Aito M7 or M5, Lixiang 6 or 7 or 9, Zeekr 001 or 007 ...

[@hermesliteratus882]

Yes, the list goes on and on.

[@Guperisham]

Best model in indonesia

[@devrishichooramun]

I just sent your video to my friend here in Mauritius whose surname is in fact TANG! Whoa he'll drive a car badged in his Name!

[@markuc]

Tang is part of BYD's dynasty series EVs. Tang is one of China major dynasties renowned for open mindedness and multiculturalism. Look it up 😊

[@jokeychin]

@@markuc No problem. Tang is also a Chinese surname.

[@kanskje6]

Thomas-blue underwear. Well done!

[@SzabolcsSzekacs]

3:37 "being animal friendly" could someone who actually works in the industry explain this to me? Are any cows actually slaughtered for the sake of putting their skins on vehicles? Or is it the other way around - we slaughter cows to est them and the leather is a byproduct that is then either thrown away, or used by other industries? If this latter is the case, how is using "vegan" leather more animal friendly than using real leather? But maybe I am wrong and they actually specifically breed cattle for good quality leather?

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@SzabolcsSzekacs]

@@autogefuehl thank you for taking the time for this super detailed answer. I did not know about the CO2 reduction aspect. It got me curious and so I looked into the methodology. I am not convinced, to be honest. The assumption is based on the methane reduction of cows over their lifetime, which is problematic for two reasons: 1. For animals which are eaten, the the leather is not produced for the car itself, meaning, replacing it with plastic may actually increase CO2 and methane emission 2. Cow methane emission should not be mixed with industrial methane emissions. Cows eat hay, and other plants which bind CO2, so eating them and "emitting" methane actually creates a cycle.whereas burning oil / gas adds extra CO2 and methane (from the ground) to the atmosphere. I fully agree that specifically breeding animals and causing potential suffering so that their leather is used in clothes (or even cars) is unacceptable. As a meat eater, I do not however have a problem with using parts of the animals which are not consumed for other purposes. Hence was the question.

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks for the discussion. I always try to raise awareness to take the victim’s point of view in ethical discussions

[@s2a142]

For reference, what is your height?

[@autogefuehl]

stated in every interior part, 189 6f2

[@s2a142]

@@autogefuehl thanks..sorry was skimming through

[@philippoon8879]

Too bad in the EU the Chinese manufactured EVs are heavily taxed and Germany and Spain have appealed for the cancellation of these tariffs. I would really go for one of these over any other offerings.

[@TL-xw6fh]

The difference between the Chinese subsidies and the European ones is that the subsidies are applied on production, whereas in Europe it is on sales, irregardless of where the cars are manufactured. So the Chinese and the Europeans who build their cars in China (like Audi, Tesla, Volvo and Polestar) get the subsidies twice! That is why the Germans are up in arms about the EU tarriffs. I support what EU is doing, BTW so that we get a level playing field.

[@dzonikg]

So not true,like FIAT here in Serbia got 600 milion euro subside to build FIAT Panda EV. Mercedes got bilions off dollars from Hungary to build EVs there

[@TL-xw6fh]

@@dzonikg Not strictly correct. China provides such subsidies for building the factories and R&D to the car manufactuers too. In addition, there are subsidies for EVERY car manufactured in China (not sales in China), hence all exports from China (including Tesla, Audi, Volvo, Polestar, Mini) qualify for the subsidies. That is the reason why the German car manufacturers are so worried as they will be badly impacted by the tarriffs. Essentially, producing the cars in China will qualify for double subsidies, hence the EU is correct in applying the tarriffs. The EU is demanding that China, at a minimum stops subsidising the exports to Europe.

[@dzonikg]

@@TL-xw6fh LIke i sad China many many times less subside then EU ,Cars in China are 2 times cheaper in China then in EU ,simple EU is EXPENSIVE ,i visited China not long ago ,i found in store Coca COla Zero can for 6 CENTS ,ITs not China fault that everything in EU is just ridiculously expensive ,west does that to boost its GDP number becase GDP is just sum off all spendings,the more expensive stuff is the bigger GDP number.But you have a trade off that you are not longer comptitive on world market ,most off world is not crazy to give 100000 euro for BMW 5 series

[@rmsys18]

If this was a phev, this will already soldout instantly thru group chat alone, it will never make the showrooms at all😅

[@akmalfahmimdamin-250]

2:44 for me.. even Audi SQ6 keys is almost Identical to this, a lil unnecessary for me 🔑

[@robertclaessens3676]

I don't understand why the 7-seat Tesla model Y isn't available in Europe

[@MrKilekico]

All of you can say what you want but this is a good car. Stop saying that Tesla has better plastic, indicators, cameras... This company's orientation is to replace VW as a people's car. Zeekr is already above European companies. China has so many EV manufacturers you can't imagine. In China, Tesla is a joke car. We need to push harder and make at least the same lvl quality as China and of course the price is crucial. Who's gonna buy a BMW for 70k EUR when they can get something similar for 40k EUR.

[@zemeosa]

The design or styling is really beautiful better than what most european manufacturers offer.

[@toyotaprius79]

Chinese Automakers better realise quickly that people want affordable EVs and PHEVs, chasing the highly profitable SUV and executive vehicle class is an oversaturated market and a sign for eventual economic crash.

[@naitud]

BYD makes soo many models, only a fraction is currently available globally. They make really cheap but still quality smaller vehicles like sedans and hatches.

[@erikisbaum]

Say no to communism

[@Kevin-kd6hf]

affordable EVs are intentionally blocked by tariffs in EU and US.

[@Harrythehun]

Only Chinese manufacturers? Aren't we hoping that the EU manufacturers will build and sell low cost and high value models?

[@Jeff.55649]

No one wants pure Chinese EVs, sorry!

[@don-ricodasilva5205]

EU...we don't want our people to have cheaper priced cars

[@TerbrugZondolop]

Exactly crooks

[@vasisimari92058]

Stop this conspiracy nonsense. Budget brands such as Dacia have existed in Europe for the last 2 decades with significant success. The Chinese failed because they make crappy cars.

[@notagain2856]

​@@vasisimari92058There is no other budget oriented brand aside from Dacia. Even Seat, the budget brand in VW group is now creeping upwards in prices

[@mostafaoraby007]

​@vasisimari92058 you are living in the past my friend

[@Twin.motors]

​@@vasisimari92058Dacia EVs are Chinese imported

[@alphabeta4028]

We slaughtered a million cows, and somehow worry about using animal skins 😂

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM

[@ufoolme]

Wow, I love how much I learn on this channel. I’ve been lucky enough to look for new cars a couple of time in the last 5-10 years, and the level of detail and care - beyond any other media.

[@autogefuehl]

Highly appreciated my friend!

[@hurbrowns5397]

BYD is weird. One company, but the ocean series is so different from their Dynasty series. Personally, I find the Ocean series better looking with Seal being the best looking.

[@Vahndamme]

7-seater in Europe? errr.... Not in Belgium , that's for sure.

[@Vitamin-bh9kg]

without discounts it will cost about 70K USD🤣

[@st_us]

Germany added up to 40% taxes on Chinese EV cars. I hope the price won't shoot up because of this.

[@canislupus5819]

Not all car will be taxed with 40% it's German car manufacturers have to pay 40% import tarif, BYD actually is the winner they will be taced around 16%

[@autogefuehl]

Nothing is fixed yet. To be decided early July

[@ensteffo]

Prices will go up so once the EU feel the economic impact of retaliatory policies and reality setts in, in about in 3-4 years maybe some adjustments could be implemented. But higher prices for all cars, domestic and imported is the outcome for now.

[@dzonikg]

@@canislupus5819 That tax is add to allready 10% tax so 10%+38%=48%

[@BobBaumeister-g8v]

Ehm... germany was against such taxes... but EU (some expect cause of france and italy) did. But on the other hand, the Chinese should not use such high subsidies. Its not only Europe.. Turkey, US and others.

[@_TheMainMan]

Looks like a really very good alternative or replacement for the "compact 7-seaters" like BMW Series 2 Tourer and Opel Meriva. Maybe not as roomy as those medium sized 7 seaters like Touran, Caddy, Berlingo or Kangoo but sure looks nicer and less like a bus.

[@geolykos]

This is even smaller than my 2020 Kodiaq.

[@natehiger410]

Wrong

[@geolykos]

Boot space, leg room and height. All smaller

[@LORK3301raw]

Looks like the wireless charger is also cooled 👌

[@bananarepublic8951]

For all these guys who review high tech, better quality Chinese EVs it always sour grapes because of cheap build TESLA

[@bnhasen]

Please show us LUCID ❤

[@tadasnever]

Can you already get Lucid in Europe?

[@Carfan678]

@@tadasnever Yes

[@user-ge3xu4fv7m]

This is the last gen Tang, yet it still looks half a decade ahead of VW

[@jtamm4021]

I don’t get the point to pay premium price for chinese SUV with bad resale value, new EU tariff for chinese EVs will be last nail in the coffin

[@maxshen001]

stay with your Golf then . who cares if you want it or not.

[@gu5800]

From Japan. BYD has world standards. We enjoyed.

[@ferrariforever1]

I really want this facelifted BYD to do well in Europe, but compared to the Kia EV9, this Tang is: Too inefficient (108 kwh and less than 500 km range) Too heavy (2705 kg, heavier than the larger EV9) Too expensive (70k euro in Europe) Not spacious enough despite its size (4,87m) BYD should come with a dedicated 7 sitter EV. This facelifted Tang is just not good enough. The pre facelift version has already reduced it's price from 70k to 50k and still not selling well

[@u2beuser]

Do you really know how much EV9 costs in Europe to say this BYD's too expensive? 🙂

[@ferrariforever1]

​@@u2beuserYes, I know the EV9 prices in Europe because I'm considering getting one. The Launch Edition EV9 RDW is about 70k euro. The Tang is priced too high compared to EV9 in Europe.

[@u2beuser]

@@ferrariforever1 This price is a consequence of pressure from the European Union and high duties. Many in Europe are afraid of the rise of Chinese car brands and and there are serious reasons for this.

[@alexshoneya]

Tang EV is 34k in China

[@ferrariforever1]

​@@alexshoneyaEvery EV is (much) cheaper in China. We are talking about prices in Europe.

[@Sartheris]

I definitely did not feel safe watching the vehicle wobble at high speeds

[@dhollongstreet4725]

Rolling death trap, the wicked fire starter. BYD, the auto that every month burns down a dealership. Oh and lets not forget the massive value loss, it is your auto for life or until it starts that wicked fire.

[@cez8017]

Backseats don't look comfortable. Such a low seating position!

[@bikeomatic8005]

Lets bring them import tarriffs baby !

[@Cloxxki]

1.655 liter cargo space, for such a long and tall car? A Golf Variant or Skoda Octavia is much shorter, lower and more spaceous in that respect? Model S as well of course and Model Y hugely more. or, are mesurements taken differently?

[@Andrewskji]

Animal friendly :) What do you eat? Are we all vegetarians? As long as the animals are not treated badly there is really nothing different about using them for leather production than for food production....

[@autogefuehl]

Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLEf42bpMano6c). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6G1f56NbtOlqNk And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKe7loOHnsSAd80 New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2qXiouAbJeIiqM More and more natural materials are rising: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIO2pIt7o9x7etE Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIHCdKmCocZ5oqs For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpzNdHSjppaSbqc Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2nKf4uih6yhnaM The argument that leather is merely a "waste" product of the food industry and therefore ethical or sustainable has been a topic of debate, and there are several reasons why it is considered problematic and unethical: 1. Leather is a Profitable Co-Product, not a Byproduct. * Leather is not a waste material. It is a valuable co-product of the meat and dairy industries, meaning that the skins and hides of animals are sold for profit. The global leather industry is worth billions of dollars, and the demand for high-quality leather, particularly for luxury goods, is significant. * Economic Contribution: By buying leather, consumers are directly contributing to the profitability of the meat and dairy industries, reinforcing demand for animal farming. Leather adds financial value to the slaughter of animals, which in turn incentivizes the continuation of intensive animal agriculture. 2. Encourages the Environmental Impact of Animal Farming * Environmental Harm: Animal farming is a leading cause of environmental degradation. It contributes to deforestation, water pollution, and is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions. The leather industry, as part of this system, intensifies the environmental impact. * Tanning Process: Leather production itself is extremely resource-intensive and involves harmful chemicals like chromium, which can pollute water sources and harm ecosystems and communities living near tanneries. The argument that leather is a "waste" deflects from these significant environmental costs. 3. Supports Cruel Animal Farming Practices * Factory Farming: Most leather comes from animals raised in factory farms where they endure inhumane conditions-such as overcrowding, mutilation (dehorning, tail docking), and often brutal slaughter practices. * Leather Sources Beyond Cattle: It’s important to note that leather is not only sourced from cows. Other animals such as pigs, sheep, goats, and even exotic animals like crocodiles and snakes are often killed specifically for their skins. In some cases, animals are bred solely for leather production, especially in the case of exotic leathers. 4. Leather’s Role in the Global Meat and Dairy Supply Chain * The "Chicken and Egg" Relationship: The leather industry is deeply intertwined with the meat and dairy supply chains. It is misleading to claim that leather is merely a waste product when in reality it adds value to the entire system. The more leather that is purchased, the more profitable it becomes for the animal agriculture industry to keep raising and slaughtering animals. * Ethical Disconnect: From an ethical standpoint, using leather under the assumption that it’s “just waste” ignores the larger systemic issues of animal exploitation. It perpetuates a cycle where animals are bred, confined, and slaughtered in massive numbers, not just for meat but also for profit from their hides. 5. There Are Viable, Sustainable Alternatives * Innovation in Vegan Leathers: Today, there are numerous cruelty-free, sustainable alternatives to animal leather, such as pineapple leather (Piñatex), mushroom leather, apple leather, and even lab-grown leather. These options do not involve the same ethical, environmental, or health concerns as traditional leather production. * Sustainability Argument: Many leather alternatives are far more environmentally friendly. For instance, plant-based and recycled materials often require fewer resources and generate less pollution compared to the production of leather from animal hides, which requires heavy water and energy consumption and the use of toxic chemicals in tanning. 6. Moral and Ethical Considerations * Devaluing Animal Lives: By framing leather as a “waste” product, it downplays the intrinsic value of animal lives and reduces sentient beings to mere commodities. This perspective is often criticized for failing to acknowledge the rights of animals to live free from exploitation and harm. * Speciesism: The belief that animals can be farmed for their skins because their lives are less important than human needs or luxury goods can be seen as a form of speciesism-the assumption that human interests always take precedence over the welfare of other species, even when non-leather alternatives are available. 7. Global Impact on Communities * Health Risks to Workers: Many leather tanneries, especially in developing countries, expose workers to unsafe chemicals like chromium salts. These chemicals can cause severe health issues, including cancer, respiratory problems, and skin conditions. Communities near tanneries often suffer from polluted water and land. * Environmental Justice: Often, the communities that are most affected by the environmental harm of the leather industry are poor and marginalized. These populations bear the brunt of the environmental degradation, even though the demand for leather comes largely from wealthier consumers in more developed countries. The idea that leather is a "waste" product from the food industry is misleading and unethical because it ignores the significant role that leather plays in the profitability of animal farming, the environmental degradation it causes, the cruelty inherent in the industry, and the availability of sustainable alternatives. To label leather as mere "waste" downplays its substantial impact on both animals and the environment, making this argument a way to justify the continued use of an ethically and environmentally problematic material.

[@jameslatief1]

8:22 German reviewers

[@autogefuehl]

😎

[@dragospahontu]

I saw a lot of Russian reviews of Chinese cars and it is obvious that they don't respect the high standards pf traditional manufacturers.

[@natehiger410]

What do you mean?

[@lofu32]

Not a real 7 seater that I was hoping to compete with xc90. The rear and middle seat is not spacious enough.

[@don-ricodasilva5205]

I hate these reviews... Driving a 7 seater and complaining about the top speed handling.... Because everyone buying a 7 seater uses it on a track

[@yissibiiyte]

He is talking about top speed stability, which has nothing to do with being on a track. He is discussing how safe the car feels at speed, which actually is important

[@umpire003]

Agreed, old design copy of Kia sorento

[@x3merx3mer]

Don't wait for the pricing in this video, there is none...not even an approximate one.

[@marioperrini4356]

Hello Thomas thanks for the video but ,,,,,, I prefer German cars 😉💪

[@liwyatan]

China gives subsidies to all manufacturers regards of the technology. We put tariffs on the EVs but not on the mild hybrids an ICE (which are the cheaper ones). So, China, will dominate the European market anyway. It's hard to find the logic in the Brussels decisions...

[@sunsetlights100]

In the details as always EU...i drive corolla hybrid nice car 60~70mpg nz

[@AWMJoeyjoejoe]

I'll be amazed if china dominates anything. Lexus and genesis have both failed to dominate Europe despite offering higher quality products. There is no evidence that BYD products can even match European marques let alone surpass them, not to mention "made in china" still carries a stigma of low quality. People are happy to buy laptops and phones made in china but cars? I doubt it.

[@nick.i.am97]

In my opinion, BYD is the best Chinese car manufacturer today.

[@2kMario]

I do not understand BYD designers , there is a lot of space under the hood and no frank

[@anonimato1987]

The Chinese need to improve their interiors. What is up with those color schemes?! Tacky as heck.

[@rmkkkk]

About LFP, BYD's cars are slow charging, but Tesla has same BYD battery in model Y and it charges fast

[@autogefuehl]

Ya thats strange I heard about that but why

[@rmkkkk]

@@autogefuehlIt's done to preserve battery more, for warranty. That's how they offer longer warranty 😂

[@dzonikg]

Fast charging will hurt battery ,and Tesla only fast charge in first few years then in became slower and slower ,my friend has model S 2019 and it allready charge almost 1/2 off speed when it was new

[@rmkkkk]

@@dzonikgyoure talking about different battery pack, that also was limited in charging speed because of CCS adapter. For example modem 3 2019 charges same speed as 2019

turn signal = skype incoming call :D

[@ak19910716]

Wow those two rear seats... This is not a 7-seater, you can't even get in, let alone sit in the back.

[@SuperMario1111]

What happened to Lia ..?

[@cavb748]

Hi Thomas, don't fall for chinese car companies. Here in México they are crushing the market with very cheap cars that only last one or three years and then the owners loose more than 60% of their investment; no reliability, no spare parts and the worst customer service. Also check the comments in this video and you will finds lots of chinese acounts writing coordinated comments to create a positive narrative...

[@dzonikg]

Yes Mexicans are very ritch and line up to buy expensive German cars

[@tctc2803]

So brave of you to test it with top speed. 🤣 You could be the first ever... Not sure if "they" have tested like that with autobahn speed. (No autobahn there) 😅 lol😬

[@autogefuehl]

Probably yeah 😄

[@tctc2803]

@@autogefuehl haha, yeah, absolutely not needing to risk. Even without the top speed autobahn, your channel is good enough or better than most. (Autogefuehl and ThrottleHouse are my favourite channels.) Drive safe✌

[@autogefuehl]

Thanks 🙏

[@remcos8180]

10:32 There you (he) go(es)! 😋

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

I hope BYD will come to Slovakia and the Czech Republic.

[@scaleartsg]

i find that chinese evs lack the driving dynamics found in german cars.

[@Sha-Ayo]

Most German cars are 1.4tsi and 2.0tsi, 320d and E220d models, none of them are in anyway particularly interesting compared to the Chinese cars at least in my view. I understand if every German car was a M4 competition then I would agree

[@dzonikg]

As one who has 2 BMWs driving dynamic is good but ride in cities is just very bad ,you feel every bump very hard,its not pleasant at all to drive in city with out perfect assphalt (basicly 99% off cities) when i go back to my much older reanult senic 2 2003 it feels like second world,you dont feel bumps almost at all

[@recres20]

nice

[@hakanyazici]

Wow I have never seen such handling, I was worried here while watching you hahaha looks like it was shaking when you hit speed more. Damn, disappointment.

[@BoopsieR5]

Basically a compromised old base platform with poor handling and naff knock-off interior. I love how you’re always so polite about a crappy car so you get invited back……gotta keep those reviews coming.🎉🎉🎉

[@levelazn]

nah its a good car

[@TD1237]

Lol, this car steaI your gf or something?