Windir/Vreid Retrospective

Two bands for the price of one! (well, for the price of none technically). This week Brody discusses two very closely related bands of black metal. Windir and Vreid!
Timestamps:
Windir: 0:45
Sóknardalr: 3:12
Arntor: 5:02
1184: 7:24
Likferd: 9:00
Vreid: 11:59
Kraft: 12:36
Pitch Black Brigade: 16:03
I Krig: 17:40
Milorg: 19:27
V: 21:20
Welcome Farewell: 22:57
Sólverv: 24:47
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[@Avertia]

It's really Nice to be norwegian and being able to understand all the lyrics. Lots of old folk tales in Windir. Valfar was a genious!

[@ChodeMaster]

I am Norwegian and I'm having trouble understanding some of the lyrics

[@Einzatskommando]

Chode Master is because they are singing in Sognamal and is a regional language of Sogndal!

[@oyhe94]

@@Einzatskommando I live 30 km from Sogndal and I have trouble understanding the lyrics at times.

[@BifrostMR]

Windir's demo (sognariket) is also great. Valfar died in a blizzard on top of a mountain and the guy singing on the live DVD of Sognametal is Valfar's brother

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

Bifrost Yggdrasil That's a pretty fucking black metal way to go, all things considered.

[@inutilsuverzivo]

@@wolfthornnholtzklau4913 not quite so. he got lost.

[@alexwarrioo4286]

@@inutilsuverzivo Sometimes the great one's gets lost ;)

[@Omnatten9]

Valfar's brother AND Windir's rhythm guitarist.

[@chrisg1621]

Found Windir in my black metal exploration phase when I was about 18. Still listening to this day. Valfar does not get even half the credit he deserves.

[@richardroberson2564]

I'm 17 and just discovered them today. Still in that early phase rn

[@chrisg1621]

@@richardroberson2564 Awesome man! My only regret about my early days is that I wish that I would have been more open minded with other genres... With the exception of a few bands, exclusively blast beating gets old after a few years 😅

[@richardroberson2564]

@@chrisg1621 Yeah I'm already getting tired of those songs with just blast beats as well

[@chrisg1621]

@@richardroberson2564 it works for some bands but it definitely gets old. Then there are bands like Inquisition 😜

[@deprimat666]

@@chrisg1621 I remember when I discovered happy days when I was 12 and a wannabe emo, found immortal at 13 on bebo. Those blast beats were my jam for a long time now I can't really be fucked with it. I turned into a wannabe satanist. Started making black metal at 13 no idea how to play..still don't yet I recorded and released alot of albums. I can't stand that satanic wannabe stuff now either..oh how you age. I've since became friends with Johan Gabrielson/1853 who was in Lifelover and vocalist of Vanhelga, even made a song with him..it's strange how the years go by

[@SatansSendebud]

Saw windir live two times, once with Valfar, and once in the final gig the band did to commemorate him. Truly the peak of my concert experiences.

[@AnfalasHerdsman]

man we say norwegian, not norwegic

[@DownFallNetWork]

What's the difference?

[@drageben145]

No it's norgisk

[@gtmthegreat]

@@DownFallNetWork Americanese anyone?

[@Peasant_in_a_tree]

Do you go by zee or zim?

[@iknowevery1onearth]

To explain the Kraft cover. Kraft in norwegian translates to power.

[@0LuctheGhoul0]

good video man, keep the good work !

[@rudolphantler6309]

*When you are returning to black metal retrospectives here's a few bands that I think you should check out later worth not leaving out of the big picture:* Well these are more like groups of bands. 1. Tormentor - Aside from Venom, HellHammer/Celtic Frost, MercifulFate/KingDiamond, and some stuff from Slayer and Kreator, the band Tormentor is also mentioned as one of the unintentional fathers of "First Generation Black Metal" which is more like Thrash really. Since then countless bands covered some of their songs, including Dissection, Watain, Hypocrisy, Mayhem, and god knows who else. Tormentor is the original band of Attila Csihar, who became Mayhem's overly artistic but undoubtedly high quality vocalist. The band has ties to another band Korog, which is later modern technical black and roll. As a side note, Attila has collaborated with approximately 20 bands in his life. Tormentor was the original name of Kreator. 2. Opthalamia & Dissection - Opthalamia was a band where both Jon Nödtveidt and Erik 'Legion' Hagstedt were bandmates once. Later the band Dissection became one of the most respected "second generation black metal" and widely liked by even outsiders of the genre. Their music was like if an old 'melody-centered' (deliberately not wrote melodic) death metal band became black metal, and used a few heavy metal moves here and there. The album art of The Somberlain comically resembles King Diamond's Abigail. I think their skill can mostly be heard while listening to the album Live Legacy. Old pre-2000 live show footages are a treasure to watch! The german technical death metal band Obscura (having common members with the now defunct prodigies Necrophagist) bembers have formed a black metal band called Thulcandra (named after a Darkthrone song inspired by a novel) which is pretty much carrying on the legacy of Dissection. A few of the Dissection members have appeared in the band Watain, and unfortunately the shameful Deathstars too. Dissection and God Dethroned are considered the most important prototypes of blackened death metal. 3. Charmand Grimloch's Tartaros - To get a full picture of Emperor, one needs to look at this project of one of their synthesizer players as a short detour. And excellent and freakish entry into psychedelic black metal. 4. Mysticum & Aborym - Industrial black metal of the best and oldest kind. The former is a total misanthropic experimentation from Norway. The latter is where it gets interesting. Aborym is an Italian band of many many sides. They always mix industrial black metal of different extents with other elements, like roman pagan metal, and sometimes jazz. Aborym has collaborated with Faust of Emperor, Attila Csihar, Prime Evil of Mysticum, and a few other interesting people. Another mentionable band would be Anaal Nathrakh which is industrial black grindcore from Britain, but with many common members. The two best Aborym albums worth checking out are Kali Yuga Bizarre and the incredible Generator. 5. Limbonic Art & Dimension F3h - Limbonic Art is the non-chaotic, excellently planned, little brother of Emperor. Focusing on the artistic aspects of Emperor's music steered towards an almost ritualistic direction. Although, some albums/songs just rip your face off. While both Emperor and Limbonic Art could be the most intelligent black metal bands of their era, the latter didn't do anything wrong. Well, not before their members parted ways. It was later reformed with half the original membership after a brief split, forming a lesser copy of itself, and a spinoff band Dimension F3h which is more like "Blackened Power/Thrash with occasional industrial elements". The first 5 albums of Limbonic Art are incredible, with the 2nd being the best and the 3rd being the least good. 6. Zyklon-B & Myrkskog & Zyklon -> The Wretched End - Overarching the "Emperor-family" story: Zyklon-B was a pseudo-NSBlack band with very little material. Samoth was part of it from Emperor. Myrkskog was one of the first deliberate blackened death metal bands and has released excellent material! When Emperor was starting to lose it's creativity with the onset of Prometheus, the background formation of a new band was being concieved. Emperor's Samoth and Trym, together with Myrkskog's DestrucThor, one of Limbonic Art's vocalists, Garm from Ulver, and Faust writing lyrics, the band Zyklon was formed to create a breathtaking mix of black, death, thrash, and industrial pieces, with phylosophical-political end days lyrics occasionally masked by weather forcast phrasing. Yes you read that right! Their first album is one of the best metal materials ever made!! Unfortunately their uniqueness and energy somehow dissipated and the two more albums they created didn't shine as much. They continued under the name The Wretched End adding microscopically more hardcore elements. Further successes can be seen by noticing DestrucThor being a part-time guitarist in Morbid Angel, and now in the black metal band Nordjevel. 7. Dimmu Borgir & Old Man's Child - You should set aside all your teenage rebellion and actually give early DB material a chance. From their formation up to 2005 their music was indeed of quality, if not necessarily only aimed at black metal fans. They started out as this weird melodic raw pagan black project where the original members were doing quite different roles. Their 1995 album Stormblast [Storm blown] is a flawless piece of sincere music. Their 1999 Spiritual Black Dimensions is one of the most intelligent metal masterpiece albums ever made and it can still be considered fully black metal, together with it's forerunner EP, a kind of intro album, Godless Savage Garden. Their 2001 and 2003 albums are also completely good metal albums that fans of many genres can listen to. Unfortunately after that it all goes down hill. Old Man's Child is pretty much their little retarded brother band. DB has musically collaborated with members of bands Mayhem or The Kovenant or Arcturus, Susperia, Carpe Tenebrum, Vader or Vesania or Black River, Nile, and artists Snowy Shaw and many more. BM members have ventured into collaborations with Ragnarok, Chrome Division, and Borknagar. 8. Behemoth & Vesania - Poland is a weird place which births incredible talent. The death metal band Vader was for long time the only representation of extreme metal there, occasionally crossing over to blackened territory, but eventually the band Behemoth was formed. Behemoth was a quite good black metal band initially, but when they started to create blackened death metal they became even better. Unfortunately after doing their album Apostasy, they lost all creativity it seems, and now just sound like some post-black metalcore shit. Vesania is a highly experimental symphonic black metal band which started to incorporate relatively technical death metal into their style. Their second album is extremely good by the name God the Lux! These bands are associated with Decapitated technical death metal legends, Black River which is a stoner/dirty rock'n'roll band, Vader of course, and Dimmu Borgir.

[@rudolphantler6309]

Also, the band Enslaved!

[@tohuvavohu]

...And Oceans!

[@thesilverikarus]

I can agree on Poland being a weird place. I live there.

[@hwirbilona]

Hahah the way you said Helvete

[@tomquareme3787]

A correct way to pronounce it would be "Wíhndiir" instead of the 'Muricanized "Winedeer" by the way. :p

[@ChodeMaster]

Its cute how you people try to explain something to someone who clearly doesn't give a shit lol

[@Bnailling]

In southern US where I’m from people say Windir like “Open up the windurr”. I speak German too though so I always and my Norwegian friends know too it’s pronounced with a V, its Vindeer. 😁

[@Diobolical25]

I was listening to Windir when I got this notification. Spooky

[@user-ds3yo1qd3e]

Like this band like hell. Genius. I'm painting the last album cover with my own blood now. Planning to hang this paint onto a pass in my province. The wind will kiss it and carry his voice. Which is highest way to pray for someone in western Chinese Zang people.

[@chrisg1621]

Not sure whether you are trolling or not, but that is intense nonetheless.

[@ChodeMaster]

@@chrisg1621 I like it either way

[@tohuvavohu]

Windir is fucking the best hands down.

[@kellymoon4232]

Arntor got me into black metal, still my favorite black metal album.

[@katarinastene9069]

what about Sogneriket or Likferd?

[@pstraums]

The band Cor scorpii needs to be mentioned here. Also got roots from the Windir lineup. Have been listening to them nonstop for the last week. you won't get closer to the Windir sound than this imho. *Love* it |m| checkitout

[@davidthomson2794]

Mistur also.

[@SatansSendebud]

Saw Windir live a few times before the death of Valfar. Sad to see him pass away so early, but still his music lives eternal as some of the best metal ever made.

[@ToaGatanuva]

it's pronounced "Vinndiir"

[@nordriket]

Windir is far better than Vreid. It's like comparing JS Bach to AC DC

[@DownFallNetWork]

WRONG

[@benbong4577]

You can't compare windir amd vreid, and you DEFINETELY can't compare bach and ac/dc

[@evildave2136]

AC/DC are and always were and will be GODS. If you hate them then you have no soul...

[@ryanstucke7811]

@@evildave2136 ac/dc are shit and i hate them with every fiber of my being

[@P3T3RXIII]

@@ryanstucke7811 Now Satan hates you 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

[@HeroSword_P]

Vreid just shared this vid on their official Facebook page!

[@NYR2K8]

Glad you like Windir. I'm a pretty lenient and patient guy but talk shit about Valfar/Windir... Oh mate. Just imagine what he'd have been capable of given the time to learn and grow even more.

[@SOGNAMETAL]

Your pronunciation of Norwegian names is hilarious as fuck. *LONG LIVE SOGNAMETAL*

[@Gina1910]

Enig! :D

[@drageben145]

There is also a tribute album too valfar with songs made by many different bands

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

Windir is one of my favorites

[@wolfthornnholtzklau4913]

Great video btw dude, I'm digging into Vreid as we speak.

[@tomquareme3787]

Best is relative and personal, although I really love Windir. Yet for me the atmosphere Varg can create with Burzum, from the beginning up to and including Fallen, is unmatched.

[@flatterswhite]

Yeah, the only band that is objectiveley the best on Earth is Opeth

[@manuelhumbertocadenacamach3876]

so?

[@deprimat666]

I think they don't compare at all because they're both amazing in different ways

[@DarkturtleX]

Do you guys have somebody who is willing to do a Tankard, Melecesh, King Diamond or Suicidal Tendencies one?

[@Saif_Al_Dajjal]

Im surprised someone else knows Melechesh. Israeli black metal, pretty sick.

[@brandonirizarry6380]

Melechesh yes 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@TheTitaime]

ending is the anne knutsdotter folk song.

[@zeregaa]

i've seen Vreid live, it was awesome as fuck

[@Ihatecensorship1]

Great commentary, but I can do without the fixation on pronounciation. Bands from countries other than the United States are under no obligation to be pronounceable to people who don't speak their language. Plus it's Nordic black metal. Chances are it's not going to be called "Eat My Slippers, Tony" .....

[@gui4816]

Check out Ulcus' Cherish the Obscure. The only album by the band from wich the Windir members came from

[@zerazara]

It is pronounced "Win dee irr". Say it a few times, and then all segments together in one word.

[@flatterswhite]

windier?

[@markus1642]

That high tension Tower on the vreid album cover looks like the upper part of pentagram i guess.

[@szuraj]

AVE WINDIR

[@arklowrockz]

Windir fairly rock true enough

[@jakeweil1660]

Watain Retrospective?

[@Blyatuber]

I'm probably one of the biggest WINDIR fans out there but I just can't appreciate VREID that much, not really into their stuff..

[@katarinastene9069]

..agree.....

[@svartblot]

sognametal \m/

[@holysmoke8439]

Uhh Symphonic b metal.......the diet Coke of evil

[@drageben145]

Sognametal!!!!

[@grautz]

Winedeer heh

[@Nanophage0]

Windir ( win-deer )

[@katarinastene9069]

Vin-dyr)))) , means Wine-animal) in English)

[@kkkkkk-ys3xq]

Do summoning

[@benbong4577]

I would argue against that Vreid is better in every way, but it's DEFINETELY catchier, better production, but there's just something about windir..

[@thelegendofeli3887]

Benbong would you say the atmosphere of windir sound?

[@benbong4577]

@@thelegendofeli3887Not sure what it is. Some artists just have that magic touch, and Valfar was one of them, imo

[@jonnyjonny1384]

you do know it’s norwegian right, not norwegic

[@DownFallNetWork]

wrong

[@giuliogrossi7163]

Arntor is the best Windir album

[@brandonirizarry6380]

I think it’s pronounced Vindir

[@pawspawlisko4025]

PLEASE NARRATE ALL THE STUFF - THOSE OTHER GUYS SOUND LIKE RANCID ECHO OF NASTY WOUND

[@flatterswhite]

Rancid Echo of Nasty Wound is a pretty good black metal band/album name

[@crimsondeath7468]

you should check out Cor Scorpii

[@zoard8263]

8:05 Melodoc Death Metal for Black People lmao

[@the_prince_of_thy_black_light]

Not saying your retrospectives are bad i love them ok but man half of bm is Norwegian

[@Toni-ss9im]

terje bakken o/ heidra valfar

[@EirikHasALife]

«Norwegic»

[@timothyburnside1242]

I'm native American an I respect all native tongues In black metal! Hail black metal\,,/\,,/

[@pinzhou9519]

Struggling to understand Saknet with my poor Swedish

[@vindsvalrpdx]

First time you said "Norwegic", I thought maybe I heard wrong, but I heard it more times. I get that not everyone knows that in most Nordic languages, the W's have a V sound, and the R's roll, so it would sound like "Vin Deer" and then roll the R at the end, but we learn about countries in grade school geography/social studies here in America, it is required learning. I am sincerely not trying to be a dick, I just hope nobody from Norway watches this, they hate us so much already, aside from the fact that they love our money in their pockets, I mean most times they don't even see us Americans as intellectual peers/equals because of how undereducated we are here, and who can blame them for being that way. I am American in a sense that I was born here, and my ancestors are from here (pre-European Inquisition/Christianization), but that is all incidental, and not pertinent to the fact that people from Nordic countries will only ever see the dumb American tourist, because that is all they hear about or see. Regardless, thanks for making a video about Windir. Been a fan since late 90s. Consider this constructive criticism, and not an insult please.

[@katarinastene9069]

We are watching.......) I think it`s really nice that people still listening Windir, cause Terje said once that he is his music himself. It means that he is alive. When it comes to Norwegians and Americans, I think it`s normal to be a proud nationalist. Terje is himself, and many BM people of course too. But at the same time, some far relatives to Terje lives in USA now, to be exact they have the same ancestors, and everyone here in Norway know about this period when a lot of people went to America to have some job..

[@ChodeMaster]

the pronunciation actually pissed me off, great video though!

[@bradleykaminicki3618]

8:10 “but for black people”

[@willr.9903]

the band vried calls themselves black rock

[@AngryChristian1]

Vreid (pronounced "Vrayd") is girlfriend metal garbage also Kraft is Norwegian for "power" and so the pylon on the album cover is a pun, which somehow makes it even worse.

[@killbeers6890]

hahaha @ "girlfriend metal garbage"

[@the_prince_of_thy_black_light]

Imagine calling it "norwegic"

[@JKNDBKSAFDBNSAMDSFD]

Its funny how Vreid is always associated with Windir, but man Vreid is fucking garbage to me. For better similarity with Windir there is Cor Scorpii, Sigtyr, Mistur and Feigd

[@EirikHasALife]

«Unpronounceable shit” that’s my language you’re talking about boyo

[@jasonturner2206]

Oh look, another black metal band that you’ve rated the greatest of all time..🙄

[@TheDreadedWhiteDevil]

Don't be a bitch, bitch.

[@arturoponce]

I was so excited to hear this, but after the ragging, loud scream and bad joke 0:56-1:07 i just stopped this. Damn, what is with the loud speaker jokes? They are fucking everywhere and are annoying as fuck.