Wing Chun vs BJJ...Why We Keep Losing (and how to fix it!)

[@jasonjobsis6535]

I do wing chun and mma. Wing chun for self defense and mma for more realistic sparing. WC gives me some great advantages in mma and has saved my ass many times as a bouncer.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

Wing Chun is really good for the street. One of the instructors is a bouncer and senior Wing Chun practitioner, he holds his own very well and has had to deal with multiple opponents at night clubs etc. However he has always trained aggressively with lots of hard sparring.

[@jasonjobsis6535]

@germanshepherdlover2613 Yes as with any style pressure testing techniques is the key and having as little rules in sparing as possible.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

@@jasonjobsis6535 Absolutely, if there is no resisting opponent/uke, how do you know how effective the technique actually is?

[@PastorCalebLeach]

“Tradition is not the goal.” Well said!

[@mikeposavic9646]

All forms of Jujitsu slash wrestling will give Traditional Wingchun a hard time. Jujitsu is the art of yielding to another's aggressive and use it against. Wingchun is mostly taught as forward moving aggression. That's what the Jujitsu guy wants. I've done both Judo and Wingchun/Chinese Kempo Kickboxing since I was a little boy. Traditional Wing Chun is okay. But it's better with kickboxing and wrestling /Judo style added to it. I agree with you that you constantly evolve your skill or go extinct. Good job explaining your thoughts.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

Great video sir. I train Wing Chun, boxing and Jujitsu in Australia. I am not very advanced in any of them but I believe that Wing Chun and Boxing "marry" together quite well and transitioning into BJJ after the clinch is good. My instructors have always said..."if it works it's Wing Chun". There are many techniques that are very similar from style to style. I've seen boxers do "Wing Chun" techniques such as 'Pak Sao' but they call it a parry or cover etc. It is frustrating watching WC practitioners (with no answer for grapplers) getting submitted so easily...what were they thinking? Even if they had some basic Judo training it would be better than nothing. Have to think outside the box. Judo is excellent!

[@bjjkidsbjjkidz370]

Bro i training wc 20 years and bjj for 5 or 6 years its all good but depending heaps on instructors and understanding of concepts and applications hello from brisbane 🤙

[@slhgrow7683]

Kudos. Perfect explanation. I studied Wing Chun/Tsun and MMA. You are right. A person needs to know the practical practice of any art/discipline. You paid respect and benefits to both men; and their respective arts. There are so many factors/variables in combat exercises. Low Case, if you have to Bite, then bite.

[@brianrahuba6919]

I'll cheers to that ! Hiccup.....

[@browntiger7776]

Great video. Doing any kind of martial arts gives you a one up over 90% of people. As martial artists it is up to us to evolve and add to the arts that we love as you're doing. Every bjj vs Wing Chun video isn't gonna go this way as well as any other art vs art. Carlson Gracie even did Wing Chun and thought it was effective.

[@truthhurts1884]

So, I’ve mentioned this on the channel before. The forms themselves are meant to train the “Engine”, you start with standing practice, to iron out the inefficiencies in the way you stand, SLT irons out the efficiencies in the way you move, CK let’s you focus on each side independently, Biu Gee teaches you more complex movements while maintaining the engine. I have so many ideas around this and I wish I could just talk to someone to get them documented.

[@danoesq2]

Good insight. I took a lot of WC and I learned it's great if you adapt it into other styles when your in a real fight. If you solely try to use it in an altercation (as I was taught) you'll probably be in trouble.

[@wpridgen4853]

Sage words. It never fails to amaze me the ways we delude ourselves. I started my martial arts journey at an MMA school that taught Judo, Thai boxing, and Jiujitsu. It was common to hear some of the mid level belts saying "this" doesn't work and "that" doesn't work. Which I'm sure a lot of lower belts took at face value. The more attention I payed to the coaches though, the more I realized that they came from many disciplines each with a few black belts across these disciplines. They imparted something that I think is true wisdom and has helped me greatly in life. The concept that the labels don't matter. In other words it's okay to love a style but it's important to realize that style is superficial and has its limits. At some point the style will break down and if we attach our identity to that style and refuse to move outside of it then we will be little more than a "this" or a "that" guy getting our asses kicked in a fight. Attaching our Ego to a style does little more than make our chosen coach some money, but when we incorporate a style into our ego we are able to use it as a tool. After realizing this myself I began to study more than the physical movements, I started researching the arts in their entirety and the philosophies and histories that brought these arts to us in the form they are today. I incorporated Qigong, Gungfu, Taiji Quan forms in my personal practices and then I started to see what the purpose of forms and kata were. They are brilliant for what they are and when it comes down to it there is no real separation between the arts themselves beyond the labels that we put on them. All of these arts have a common source, a single practice and the styles and divisions have happened as disciples have moved out to disseminate them to the world. When we cross train and utilize the tools from all of the different styles we find the secret of the martial arts, self mastery and completeness. When we cling to our little slivers and refuse other aspects of the martial art we remain fragmented and attached to external labels making unity and mastery of ourselves impossible.

[@DarinWaugh2x]

Thanks, Jason, great stuff as always!

[@duke3196]

Love this channel👍🏽this guy explains things in a very simple way

[@retroghidora6767]

I like where you're going but I also feel like it should be pointed out that challenging grapplers is just not the best move for any striker. Even people training universally accepted "effective" styles of striking like boxing or muay thai are arguably setting themselves up for failure if they challenge a competent grappler. See that recent viral video of a boxer and a grappler sparring or the Demetrius Johnson/ Rodtang fight. Rodtang is a great Thai fighter and he still got taken down and submitted by someone who isn't even a black belt in jiujitsu AND after a full round where ground grappling wasn't allowed first. Just look for realistic goals if you want to test your martial art, especially as a hobbyist.

[@anthonygerber8261]

How about learning some Jiujitsu. A little cross training can go a long way.

[@dbuck1964]

@@anthonygerber8261 better off with wrestling because you’re going to become more skilled at grappling Defense i.e. not getting taken down.

[@reinsein518]

yes and to train boxing to you wing chun to beat the grappler is just idiotic

[@lannelbishop3668]

When the Okinawans adapted wing chun and white crane, they came up with Goju ryu, isshen ryu, Shorin ryu and shotokan karate. Evolve or die.

[@thirdactwarrior317]

The interesting thing is that while the double leg takedown in the sparring clip was was effective, it was not the classic double leg that is taught in BJJ. It was what I would call an "overconfident" or "showboat" double leg where the BJJ guy knew he could pull it off without bothering to do it perfectly. If he had done it the way it is taught as a basic, the Wing Chun guy would have had even less of a chance to counter it. The same thing happened with the arm bar. The BJJ guy skipped checkpoints in the move because he realized he could. It was just too easy. I think if the opponent had been more skilled and the BJJ guy had assessed the opponent as a real threat, he would have gone to the basics and the outcome would have been the same.

[@sipscl]

Thank you very much for the good video!🙏 What always surprises me is that in almost all videos where wing chun fights against other fighting systems, the wing chun people get involved in the opponent's distance game etc. (where they are logically worse) and somehow try to adapt to their fighting style, instead of consistently applying the advantages of wing chun, such as: getting into direct contact as soon as possible, dominating the center line, protecting the outside lines and sticking with it like a bull terrier/moving further into the opponent in order to give them every space and time for their attacks rob It's certainly easier said than done, but it's still the case...

[@gnicevids]

I finally see what you are and have been trying to say for years and it makes sense

[@wsgacademy5378]

I did Wing chun for about 4 years before I went into BJJ (4th degree black belt in South Africa) One thing that I use from my wing Chun in BJJ is Chi Sau. It really helps top deflect and move frames out of the way

[@flowrepins6663]

How is south afrlca now? Heard it was going downhill

[@gw1357]

Modern Wing Chun has to teach a few standup grappling/counter-grappling techniques. I don't think this is that big a departure because I think they come as natural extensions of existing Wing Chun moves. What a Wing Chun practitioner will find is that they come more natural than you might first think as extensions of existing techniques. The sprawl comes naturally off of the Lan Sao or from a Wu Sao, in my opinion. You can snake into a whizzer off of a Tan Sao. Likewise, its not that big a difference in the training. When I do Chi Sao, I do it in three phases...1) trap to get to a hit (traditional Chi Sao), 2) trap to a dominant clinch position (Chi Sao into like a Muay Thai clinch flow), and 3) trap to finish (Chi Sao into a standing submission, throw, or sweep). There's nothing magical about Wing Chun. You can adapt it, you can meld it. Whatever makes you a better fighter.

[@JKDandWingChun]

Great input about chi-sao. Those are good ideas because it takes the tools and attributes and applies them against different types of fighting styles. Thanks!

[@ShinobiShaman]

​@JKDandWingChun Be like water my friend. I like your approach to self defense. You should consider throwing some catch wrestling in the mix.

[@blockmasterscott]

Both styles have their places. For example, WC would be awesome against multiple opponents, while with BJJ the last thing you want to do is grapple when you have more than one bad guy. It's like driving, sometimes you need a van and other times a bicycle is better. Same with WC and BJJ. Neither one is better.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

Very well said

[@davidrisselada6199]

"Wing chun would be awesome against multiple opponents" Seriously?

[@mizukarate]

Very good video. I feel you always have to have a base system or two. Then occasionally you need to step out of that comfort zone to learn how to deal with other systems. It is just the way it goes.

[@leonpse]

Jiujitsu and Judo existed in the fifties too and Chinese had their version too. Many kids wrestle all the time growing up and do take downs. Brothers often wrestle, instead of punching and kicking each other.

[@rebornabroad]

Because WC is fantasy and BJJ is an actual combat sport

[@brockmiller574]

Sifu Steve Cottrell down in Texas had been talking about this for a long time. He had a video called Grappler Beating In Action.

[@NoName-zm1ks]

That sparring segment is so sad!🙂😊😁😄😆😂🤣

[@bowlineobama]

I totally agree with you.

[@GeekWingChun]

4:08 "He should just sprawl, and that's NOT in the Wing Chun system." You just covered every stupid Wing Chun criticism out there because this is what people say: (1) Wing Chun doesn't have a sprawl to counter the double leg takedown, so Wing Chun sucks. (2) If someone DOES do the sprawl, then they aren't doing pure Wing Chun, so you STILL can't say that Wing Chun works. People set up these arguments so that, no matter what happens, anyone claiming to be "pure Wing Chun" gets no credit, even if they win. I guarantee you that if the BJJ guy had lost, there would have been NO praise of Wing Chun. Instead, the comments would say, "Well, the only reason that guy won with WC is because the BJJ guy sucks." Which would be ironic and funny because WC-haters mock us for saying, "That WC lost because that was bad WC!"

[@robertjones4200]

My instructors who fought in the 70s up and down the eastern coast in the ghettos where there were no referees it was real martial arts they were undefeated like they told me were not here to fight. The fight says there is a mutual exchange. There's not going to be a mutual exchange. You get in destroy the other person and you're done like they say you have things to do.

[@mikeruddell6091]

Good example of the round kick being a bad idea.

[@dbuck1964]

His problem from the get-go was being in a high semi bladed stance. Then he tried a crappy side kick, and the JJ guy had him figured out.

[@DavidDemiseOfficial]

In a real life self defense situation, if the Wing Chun fighter can get a good eye jab in before a clinch or takedown, then he has a chance. One more reason to adhere to Bruce Lees teaching of learning to fight in all ranges, kicking, fighting, clinch and grappling/ground. Also if training for self defense/real world, you may be attacked while sitting, from behind or after falling/slipping and being on the ground.

[@TomTom-sm7il]

I love wing chun. I'm rooting for y'all

[@angelsjoker8190]

Whenever you see a Wing Chun guy fight, it doesn't look like anything they train, while Boxing "forms" are seen all the time in fights, they're just not called "forms" but "combinations".

[@MrMarkc100]

If something needs to be changed a lot to be effective, then it may not need to exist.

[@bombardboxing]

People get hung up on the training method being the actual fighting methods, but only regarding traditional styles: "Look at those ridiculous animal styles!" "Wooden dummy is unrealistic!" Yet nobody questions a boxer hitting a speed bag, "that's not how you actually fight someone!"

[@perfectsplit5515]

Wing Chun Kung-Fu vs BJJ is striking versus grappling. That is mixing apples and oranges. Any comparison should be striking vs striking or grappling vs grappling.

[@robertosantiago7612]

12:04 The greatest mistake that Wing Chun practitioners do against BJJ practitioners is NOT engaging in continuous full contact striking when the BJJ fighter is within range and NOT defending against the take down, which is what all BJJ fighters do as they need to take the fight to the ground. In addition to learning sprawls, Wing Chun fighters must learn escapes against arm bars, guillotines, and other four stripe white belt techniques.

[@michaelswann9849]

Wrong. Wing chun has no basic grappling and a competent grappler can attack on the counter to the wing chun strikes. Just admit your art is useless

[@robertosantiago7612]

Try reading my post again. I wrote that Wing Chun practitioners must learn grappling submission techniques and escapes to fight a grappler. Many Wing Tsun and Wing Chun Sifus are modernizing their art by training in submission grappling and teaching their students

[@michaelswann9849]

@@robertosantiago7612 There aint a single wing chun guy alive that could deal with a top level BJJ blackbelt in grappling. This is why no one takes wing chun seriously lol.

[@michaelswann9849]

@@robertosantiago7612 they wont. Theyre too busy playing their patty cake to learn and pressure test their work. Show me a pure wing chun artist that can hang with an MMA fighter.

[@jahvauntaecolbert4422]

Maybe they should bring back Master yip man training method

[@ttx3]

wing chun is more about a different power generation engine, (the internal way), than about a bunch of techniques and tactics which can be found in any external fighting systems. The wing chun techniques and tactics exist in most fighting systems, in one form or another, they are not something that only wing chun has. What is real important is how you generate power. If you practice an external branch of wing chun, it’s just a very weak form of kickboxing and you should definetely chose another more powerful external system.

[@stockchannels6620]

I trained in Northern Shoulin Long Fist , Muay Thai boxing, Judo , Kyokushinkai karate, ITF taekwondo , and Jeet Kune Do the Lees arts , also a little bit of wing chun , from what I know wing-chun is extreme precision advance forms many legendary firsthand master yip-man(North shoulin) , ben der(southern kung fu) , bruce lee, william cheung(praying mantis) all has learned at least 2-3 martials arts before they learned wing-chun themself, because the NATURE of wing-chun is too advance and too precise, that it does not work without mastering more basics simpler martial arts like boxing , kickboxing , muay thai , it works like a CORE and a GLUE that without these lower arts it can never works in real combat!

[@NoName-zm1ks]

Talk about non working self defense systems, you gotta question the Ip Man myth, also the fan fiction Morihei Ueshiba.

[@amospizzey1]

Not sure if anyone reads this but I like your channel so here goes ….. I have real time ( years ) in WC ( 80’s / 90’s ) real lineage / hard chi sau real time / years in kick-boxing/ boxing and real time/ years in BJJ hers what I’ve found through hundreds of live sparring rounds …. WC has some great points and theory’s which are transferable but as a stand alone system ( apart from being very beautiful and intelligent) it’s not a great fighting system …. Simply go to any boxing / MMA BJJ gym and “ politely “ ask to spa ( as I have ) and understand this “ any fighting system that needs to be heavily adapted in order to work in Live sparring is not effective ( simple ) wrestling / boxing / bjj /Muay Thai even old school Shotokan ( hard contact ) all work as they are and look like their respective style . I practiced Sil lim Tao today ( learned at 17 I’m 57 ) it’s great for health and frame / breath / energy and does encapsulate the hands of the system ( very clever) “ but “ total lack of head movement/ focusing on blocking / trapping when this is a very brief range ( if at all ) in a fight and ludicrous lack of conditioning/ real free pressure sparring etc has created a false idea of a fighting system . I’m old enough to have been in the “ wing chun wars “ in the UK in the 80’s ( Google it ) and took part in challenge match’s at our school and ultimately saw my VERY formidable WCinstructor defeated buy a kick-boxer in a renowned challenge ( see KZbin again ) in short it does not work well as a fighting style however it is a beautiful condensed Chinese boxing system . Basically MMA has answered the question “ what works “ and finally all this “ on the street “ rubbish is irrelevant as if you can’t hold your own in sparring with a live resisting skilled opponent nothing you learn will help you in the pure adrenaline dump of a real assault/ attack . In short ALL TRUTH IN COMBAT LIES IN SPARRING good training all 🙏🏻🥋

[@HapkidoJinJoongKwan]

To be fair if a pure boxer came up against bjj the results would be the same. He ends up on the ground & doesnt know what to do. Hence the need for folks to know a bit of everything. Thats why i like hapkido. Our curriculum has grappling, striking, kicking, & weapons.

[@gregorylatta8159]

Context dictates what will be effective. Too many variables in life or death combat to say otherwise!

[@JKDandWingChun]

Great point. I always think that Wing Chun gives us tools and training toward that end: adapting to whatever variable we’re faced with. The context of sparring matches is different than that of two guys rushing you in a small room or something like that. We have to train realistically and without bias. Thanks for the input and for watching.

[@gregorylatta8159]

@JKDandWingChun As a combat arms and martial arts veteran, I know the platform is just as important as the weapon, so to speak !

[@instructor_Sicario]

Gracie jiu-jitsu, tem conteúdo de defesa pessoal que capacita qualquer pessoa a defender em embate físico mano a mano. Quando o embate físico acaba levando os indivíduos ao chão, od envolvidos nele acaba ficando mais vulneráveis devido a limitação de movimentos, e posso garantir se um deles tem conhecimento de grappling esse terá grande vantagem.

[@Steve-iq2ux]

Crazy fast right hook!!

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

Bonus, Wing Chun is a melee weapon, a pure ambush style, it's not a fencing foil, it's a flame thrower, WC in boxing gloves is ridiculous, forget all the bobbing weaving gobbledygook. Blitz!, close the gap- stiffle- sap opponents balance- incapacitate all simultaneously, that's what Wing Chun was designed for, not boxing, I'd go as far as to say good Wing Chun happens 80% within grappling range counterintuitively, and works well with Bjj.

[@hiskandar]

Yous should check Kevin Lee on Could THIS be the real way to use Wing Chun

[@MrMarkc100]

Box and wrestle/judo -and play a rough sport like rugby when you are younger. That's what you need.

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

If you train to finish your opponent in under three seconds, use Wing Chun like a gunfight, single contact, definitive conclusive engagement, then Wing Chun is excellent. WC only really works well as one touch one kill, no pak sau for five hours, touch hands for 1.4 seconds then devastate a vital target. WC is not a sport. Its earliest practicioners used knives, and they utilized their empty hands like guess what, knives, WC sucks for boxing. But if you're training for some long drawn out scenario, Wing Chun gets more and more inefficient, and you're just better off grappling, and I'm a huge Wing Chun fan.

[@patrickcollins1855]

I believe Wing Chun was originally an internal martial art. The focus should be developing internal strength. People forget a Shoulin Nun created Wing Chun. I also believe the reason why Bruce Lee was a great fighter had nothing yo do with forms. It was his strength training that made him powerful. I look at some of JKD and Wing Chun guys. Their bodies are nowhere near as strong as Bruce's body was. It's either training internal or hitting those weights like Bruce did.

[@wenapse1639]

With all the respect, people build muscle memory and instinctive reactions with fighting drills. If you teach the wrong movement, people will get hurt

[@conradswadling8495]

good

[@Keluoduo]

I agree

[@kungfujoe2136]

did he lose to bjj? he lost to wresteling it's like a boxer kicking someone and than saying you lost to boxing

[@benpurcell591]

To be fair bjj has take downs (it's from judo and also incorporates wrestling) but most schools don't do this enough. Also the mount > arm bar finish was classic bjj

[@Max-ki6df]

How is sprawling gonna save you if you have no groundgame though... Even if you defend 1 doubleleg if all you do is get up reset, you'll fall to the second. And don't even get me started on singles, hip throws, guard pull, you can't just avoid having a ground game

[@thac0twenty377]

crossface, sprawl, strike free hand,gullontine

[@davidrisselada6199]

It is simple. Double leg takedowns, sprawls and trying to escape a mounted position are much more realistic depictions of fighting than Chi Sao. It is that simple. You can't train in a martial art that focuses on drills that allegedly, develop skills useful for fighting, and expect to beat some one who fights everyday. If you want to learn how to fight you have to fight. Your first day of jujitsu you learn that being held on the ground sucks. You learn how to endure, how not to panic, to get comfy in uncomfy positions then, you are escaping. In Wing Chun you are learning forms and Chi Sao. It is laughable that you would even compare the two.

[@pipappleyard3982]

What grappling practice pairs best with Wing Chun?

[@GeekWingChun]

Judo or Jiu-Jitsu. Both rely on leverage/pressure.

[@JKDandWingChun]

We’re gonna do a video on this topic, God willing, because we strongly believe that there’s lots of grappling, throwing, locking, breaking, already baked into the cake. It’s just a matter of perspective. But anyway, the short answer to your question I think is judo or BJJ. Both have merit.

[@pipappleyard3982]

Thanks 😊

[@thac0twenty377]

it's the other way around. yiu can adapt centerline theory, structure and bridging to any

[@pipappleyard3982]

Yes. I wondering if the centre line theory can work stood up, and on the floor.

[@michaelswann9849]

Youre never going to win because JKD is not a real martial art

[@thac0twenty377]

Wing Chun people do almost no pyhsical conditioning. Biggest flaw.

[@xhaozhao]

True. In the end its a martial art that requires little physical training and time to use in self-defence. Its for the average joe to get an edge on the street to defend and escape against bigger opponents. Perfect martial art for women and that’s why WC is named after a woman. Its not a martial art for combat sports.

[@thac0twenty377]

@jszhao9394 anything can be self defense really. Modern wing chun especially, you're getting people that buy the legend, the esoteric nonsense. to make moneyvteschet cater to it- right or wrong. but there's a basic physicality you need to be effective

[@christopherspohn8071]

Wing Chun in fights is very limited.

[@h.w.1579]

Wasn't WC meant for fighting in boats?

[@chinesebob7220]

That BJJ guy seems to know some kickboxing. If you want to beat a ground guy learn ground styles like BJJ or wresting.

[@darkmysterytemple]

Sifu Jason why dont you go and have some challenge matches or have you ?

[@JKDandWingChun]

I kept challenging Steph Curry to a game of one-on-one but he won’t return my calls for some reason. Weird. I think he’s ducking me.

[@h.w.1579]

@@JKDandWingChun Maybe now that Curry has gone fishing he will accept your challenge? Lets Go Nuggets!

[@jessehendrix2661]

I do tang soo do, boxing, judo, and BJJ. I like wing chun and think it could work, but there are a few flaws I think. The first thing is that you need to do a lot of free sparring. Not just chi sao, but put on some MMA gloves and headgear, start on the outside, and just fight with light to medium contact. Secondly, most trapping is going to take place up close in sort of a judo context. If you don't teach takedowns and breakfalls, there isn't going to be much incentive to stay that close. That means your wing chun will start looking like boxing, with a more bladed stance and not as many parries, traps, etc. So if you spar and allow takedowns in sparring alongside doing your forms and chi sao and all that, I think you will start becoming formidable fighters.

[@ricardomachado6792]

Because the guy didn't know defend the double leg , against jujitsu need to learn to defend against their attacks if you know neutralise it they wont do nothing.

[@NoName-zm1ks]

Another video about how to finally make it work.🤫😜

[@MCL198027]

Wing Chun is good for hand speed, fast punches. Not much else

[@Pifagorass]

Everything was doesn't evolve die except a starfish and cororoch 😅

[@gregorylatta8159]

Also if a system doesn't evolve it will die off!!!

[@jmurrayathletics]

wing chuns biggest problem is its self, and even more unfortunate are the people who study and practice it. your biggest idols within the art are ip man and bruce lee, the later of which was an actor who pretended to fight and acted like the wise asian master despite never fighting one person for a legitimate record. i alwas applaud wc practicioners for testing themselves, but the art doesnt even work on its self much less regular boxing or striking. its weak development and philosophies mean nothing if inapplicable. how are you in 2023 and not have a concept of a sprawl understood, like thats basic stuff for grappling defense.

[@eduardogonzalezocantos4267]

The problem with wc is that they don t spar. Sparring is the 33% of any bjj class so the guys are prepared for roughness and can mánage unconfortable situations. In the other and wc guys train forms and drills but they don t really ever feel a real punch on the face. If you do not train fighting you ll never ever learn how to fight. Every excuse or explanation about why you don t fight in training sessions is simply delusional

[@JKDandWingChun]

Great point. And the thing is, when they do spar it’s often too Wing Chun versus Wing Chun, so the trainees don’t get experience against the type of stuff they’re gonna see from the other 99% of the world. Thanks for the input and for watching.

[@bethcraig5286]

Id love to learn wing chun and i actually live e in greenville county BUT as a athiest i believe i wouldnt be welcome at this school 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@JKDandWingChun]

I don’t remember a “No Atheists Allowed” sign anywhere around here. I do, however, not like the following and often ask them to train elsewhere: Phillies fans, people who listen to Christmas music before Thanksgiving, knuckleheads who think Lebron is better than Jordan, and folks who presume things without asking questions instead. Especially those infernal Phillies fans. I know I’ve got a few hiding around here. It’s just a matter of time before I find out who they are!!!

[@rajmiah4040]

Problem with Wing Chun guys is they talk to much. And can't stop saying Wing Chun. I'm not trying to be funny but watch this video again and count how many time he says Wing Chun. Any video and see how many times they say Wing Chun. No other student from other styles do this. Its a bizarre phenomenon.

[@reinsein518]

I dont see any wing chun here if you think you can learn wing chun in a few years and fight with it u have no idea

[@politiconvict3874]

JKD is a philosophy to take what works and leave the rest This philosophy has led me to learn the 3 parts of unarmed fighting Boxing , Kickboxing and Grappling Its also led me to learn CQC , CQB and survival skills Want to be a trained killer? Slavic Boxing , Silat , JKD , Krav Maga or an equivalent like Kapap or systema and CQB You will be as trained as Secret Service and Black Ops Want to learn Art? Shaolin or Wudang Want to be a MMA fighter Kickboxing , Jujitsu and Judo Its all about the goal I have trained in every expression of the human body i can get my hands on, and i spend my life living like a monk No desire except adding skills to defend the weak from predatory criminals Please ,Stay humble , polite and courteous

[@reinsein518]

ITS NOT A WING CHUN FIGHTER ZERO WING CHUN HERE

[@clintmcalister7834]

The gracies and ufc have shown the world reality. Traditional martial arts are dead.

[@JKDandWingChun]

I don’t think that’s entirely accurate because BJJ is based off of traditional Jits. Things change in a hurry if a guy is trying to stab ya, or there’s more than one opponent. The key, we think, is in the training. BJJ is ascendant these days because they’re constantly training against realistic pressure. That’s the thing. Traditional arts can work - Machida, for example, showed that. It’s just a question of training realistically. Anyway, thanks for watching and for the input too.

[@robertjones4200]

The [problem is you are fighting. I don't train to fight. Get in end it in seconds.

[@anthonygerber8261]

People only do chi sao. Try sparring.

[@bjjkidsbjjkidz370]

Very bad bad display of wc not any wc at all 😢

[@jameslloyd7891]

🙄

[@gailvalleymartialarts]

Why is there little to no data of Wing Chun actually working in any kind of fight or sparring match?

[@thac0twenty377]

it worked well in real situations for me. but I was always in very confined spaces

[@Re-Destro]

Sifu Jason, with all due respect, I don't know how and why you left boxing and ventured into wing chun, Jeet Kune Do I get it, but honestly I think wing chun is just useless, trapping barely works, how can you leave something that works meaning boxing and go to something that doesn't work? You should ditch the wing chun, and be more boxing and JKD oriented.

[@mrn4sty46]

Have you ever trained any wing chun? With all due respect dawg if you did train it you would know that wing chun is literally old school boxing, not modern day boxing don’t mistake it cuz they’re both different sports, old school bare knuckle boxing

[@Re-Destro]

Omg not again. I don't have to do wing chun because I've never seen wing chun work or any other guy make it work, they always lose, type in any video with wing chun guys fighting they always lose, why? Because it's useless, and don't compare old school bare knuckle boxing with this bs wing chun, don't put that even in the same breath.@@mrn4sty46

[@jasonjobsis6535]

JKD is just MMA with WC principles so what you are saying doesn't make much sense.

[@germanshepherdlover2613]

Only bad Wing Chun is useless. Unfortunately there is a quite a lot of bad WC. Good WC is brutal and realistic but needs mods to bring it 'kicking and screaming' into the 21st century where grappling is prominent. From what I have seen WC (and other striking arts) doesn't seem to have answers (not even a sprawl) for grappling attacks.

[@EnsoGhisonisuccessgateway]

Wing Chun was devised specifically as a weapons based system. Also not all the early knowledge has been passed down uncorrupted. So it makes sense that it probably needs to be modified.

[@mervinmarias9283]

The actual reason why you keep losing is because it is not Wing Chun vs BJJ. It is in fact Wing Chun vs MMA. It is unlikely that you would ever win such a match. Same reason a true BJJ fighter will never beat an MMA fighter.