Woke Localizer Ruins An Anime And Finds Out They're Fired..

[@reagansido5823]

"Since I don't like chocolate, I'm gonna go work in a chocolate factory and just make bubblegum while I'm there instead."

[@TheSonOfDumb]

lol

[@MarkDeSade100]

But that's exactly it. These people hate "chocolate" so much that they want to make sure no one else can ever have chocolate. It's a deliberate act of sabotage. The insane thing is that the owners of the chocolate factory are hiring them and letting them do it.

[@Mrt-yg9mw]

more like i dont like dark chocolate so i will go work for this company who makes dark chocolate and actually make milk chocolate.

[@Zombie_Apocalypse]

​@@Mrt-yg9mw and in the end i'll make a💩anyway, no matter the shade...

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@Dynelegacy]

authors need to start suing for damaging their work.

[@MartyrPandaGaming]

In many cases, when an authors work is taken to anime, it's the studio/publishers that make that call. In many cases, unless their work is really big, authors left as advisors, if even that.

[@neo-cd9jm]

I agree sue them

[@codelinx]

Omfg I hope Sony directly sues each person for hundreds of millions dollars off destroying the dub and subtitled media.

[@GingerJack.]

It's harder than you might think. First there's whatever contract they signed that might prevent them from doing anything. Then there's the other side, people can get blasted from both sides. They should still, but people can find themselves in places where you just cant without sacrificing an arm and a leg.

[@AmartharDrakestone]

@@MartyrPandaGaming The works are still owned by the original authors, though. They can switch to a different publisher/studio.

[@mightyfineincredible2252]

JelloApocalypse calling anyone braindead LMFAO

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

How the mighty have fallen...

[@andyknightwarden9746]

I didn't even know the guy did work on dubbing anime. I thought all he did was the "so this is basically" series of parody animations. Going to miss his videos, but I can't in good conscience support a guy who thinks that he can go around changing an author's work because of some imaginary moral High ground he thinks he occupies gives him that right so that it becomes a parody of itself and no longer resembles the original work.

[@oompalumpus699]

​@@andyknightwarden9746 I wonder how Jello would like it if people corrected his works.

[@brinnshea]

@@andyknightwarden9746 He also hates doctors who literally save lives. He thinks they're less important than people who make furry porn. I thought he was kidding at first, but he confirmed it was not a joke. You're making the right decision by not supporting him anymore.

[@zynet_eseled]

​​@@brinnshea...ìm sorry, what? He thinks furry nsfw artists are more important than doctors? As a furry myself, I have to say, that is one of the most bizarre takes I have ever heard.

[@R3tr0w1]

These localizers openly admit to butchering anime translations and then get mad when we criticize them

[@kanaria-cu3uv]

or in their words: "made it better"

[@acemanner]

If I order a chocolate shake, and you bring me a vanilla shake because you disagree with chocolate, of course I'm going to be mad.

[@deadcaptainjames6045]

​@@acemanner ad hominem arguement

[@eded711]

naah, they dont only "addmit to"; they are gloating, salivating and bragging about it...

[@TheM00h]

@@deadcaptainjames6045 do you even know what that means

[@olafontart]

Crazy idea, but maybe people who hate anime shouldn't be localizing anime.

[@italianspiderman5012]

They don’t hate anime, they hate you for liking it.

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

I don't like anime, but seeing this PC stuff twisting it still irritates me like it does in anything else. This is how I know those people will dislike me, because unlike them I actually am tolerant, and will defend things I don't even like. This PC stuff just ain't right.

[@roml1289]

Destroying and bastardizing what they don't like is their purpose in life.

[@Shir0taka]

I don't like pasta, but I'll tell you how to cook it

[@jonmcnamara]

They did the same thing with comic books, trading cards, movies, and video games. It's not surprising they would do the same garbage with anime now that they have ruined those other medias

[@charmishing]

Even if the script sucked, it’s not a localizer’s job to “fix it.” Besides, a lot of times “controversial elements” are there to show something is wrong without shoving down the viewer’s throat so a lot of times “fixing” that sort of thing just weakens the story

[@seg162]

Stories are allowed to be bad.

[@elodieelvira7913]

also, also, Lovely Complex is so fckn wholesome. Seiko is accepted and she is not being bullied or anything sodoing this in eird in the first place but even more because of what they chose to do their propa ganda on.

[@oompalumpus699]

Imagine if Jello "corrected" Boondocks. I want to see what the response would be.

[@PrograError]

well... it's how we got jelly doughnuts back then...

[@ott1186]

​@@oompalumpus699that's a really good question and should be asked whenever this comes up.

[@Mayoegg]

Imagine being a mangaka, you work overtime on your own projects and also do assistant work just to survive, your manuscripts are rejected 90% of the time, you manage to get a serialization by a combination of dedication and incredible luck, your series becomes a success when most get cancelled and dissapear into obscurity, your work is going to get an anime adaptation, most of your peers will never experience this, you made it. The animators and the directors work very hard, often not sleeping for days just to meet deadlines on a low budget but they pull through and they make it happen. Your manga's anime adaptation is real, you can't wait to for everyone to see it, apparently it's also going to get an english dub, and then some johnny comelately literally who on twitter who's never created anything of value comes in and changes your work, because apparently "they know better".

[@Twilightiger96]

All that pain and effort. All that blood, sweat and tears shed throughout the years... and these entitled brats made it all for nothing in one day!

[@gregorgerzson1767]

Well, Ghost Storied anime did it. And it worked fcking well.

[@seg162]

Lovely Complex (the manga) won the oldest and one of the most prestigious manga awards. What _is_ Jelloapocalypse talking about?

[@Twilightiger96]

@@gregorgerzson1767 Only because the studio got the greenlight to go nuts with the english dub. Most localizers don't even bother to wait and change things behind everyones backs.

[@seg162]

@@Twilightiger96 They didn't get a greenlight-- that was lied about, too. The director claimed the show performed poorly in Japan and that's why they are given the allowances they were, but not only did the director ALSO do the same schtick with Ghost Stories with other dubs that he didn't pitch that excuse for, Ghost Stories performed well in ratings during its airing in Japan despite being a filler program. The Ghost Stories dub also isn't funny. It might have been funny if the background Foster (the aforementioned director) has been propagating was true, but it isn't, which sucks all the fun out of it. It's _just_ aggressively juvenile and a waste of an opportunity to share Japanese folklore with American kids in favor of fulfilling the same exact impulses that are rightly criticized in every other case of improper localization. The people responsible for things like what's featured in this video, use the fact that you make that exception against you when you try to criticize them.

[@connordennis1381]

Hates the source material, hates the company, hates the audience, wants to "modernize" the content, and the CRAIZIEST thing is we aren't talking about the Halo show writers.

[@mistrsynistr7644]

Thought it was Witcher writers there for a second

[@krayne2084]

You know what true professionalism is though? Hating everything about the project you're on, and not torpedoing it. Or even just letting them know you aren't willing to do the job.

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@vulkeg]

That's because it isn't about the source material. The source material is just a vehicle because it has a built in audience. They don't actually care, nor have they ever. They just know people will go see it because it says "Spiderman" on the title.

[@FZJanimated]

when they say modernize what they mean is to impose their westen values and views onto a different culture. they dont respect the japanese work and they feel entitled or justify to mess with someone else work like they are above the creator of that work.

[@blerst7066]

About three weeks ago the mangaka of Sexy Tanaka-san, Ashihara Hinako, committed suicide because of a similar issue. The live-action adaptation was completely different from the original, and it was received terribly. But the scriptwriter, Aizawa Tomoko, blamed everything on Ashihira, which lead to cyberbullying, and eventually to this. Straying away from the source material is not only disrespectful to the original creator, but it's also a breach of contract if it was specified how strictly the adaptation should adhere to the original story.

[@oompalumpus699]

So they believed the obvious act of deflection instead of investigating. This shows why Selen/Dokibird is winning in the west while losing in Japan. Does Japan immediately attack who is blamed instead of trying to view things from a different perspective? I love japan but they are certainly not perfect.

[@oompalumpus699]

Also, condolences to the mangaka. They did not deserve any of the hate.

[@Skywolfhd20]

japan is very much a "follow the flock" kind of country, conformity is highly encouraged and standing out will get you bullied@@oompalumpus699

[@Archimedes.5000]

That's weird actually I thought that it was know in japan that live-action adaptations are just used to train new actors and aren't serious attempts

[@williansnobre]

@@oompalumpus699 Some cultures are less likely to question what seems to be the consensus

[@AtelierOfWeebs]

It's hilarious because he claimed Discotek media let them do what they wanted, and immediately Discotek media claimed they'll never work with him again

[@TubeEamo]

They got caught not giving a shit. This is as much on those hiring these people as it is the localisers exploiting this apathy..

[@LordTyph]

'If you can't keep the secret, we can't keep you.'

[@hope-cat4894]

​@@LordTyph"Snitches get stitches and wind up in ditches." Or in this case, the unemployment line with a damaged reputation.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Thing is, they probably push a LOT of product. They can't hover over every contractor, so they have to rely on everyone being professional. I expect hiring procedures will be tuned up after this insanity.

[@silentfox8460]

Basically "let us .. help you we can.. make it uhh sell better for you here when we can make a small.. change or 2. We promise yes?" *fingers crossed behind back* But tbh it's sad when things like this happens

[@AbsolLoot]

I mean, at this point it's no longer a dub, it's just an abridged series.

[@demonlordotrt754]

Well well I see I'm not the only one the worse part is abrige series are normally a love letter from fans to the series but this 😅 ya this is some one taking a dump on it.

[@Abridgelion]

💯%

[@pyro5159]

TFS would at least make it good

[@LordTyph]

and a terrible one at that.

[@icyatlasartworks]

Abridged dubs are usually good, and even if they're not good, they're at least made out of love for the original series. This has the same energy as PETA seeing Pokémon and making Pokémon Black and Blue.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Oh wow, so this is how far Jelloapocalypse has fallen in the 12 years since I've seen anything they put out.

[@graveyardshift6691]

He was playing through Pokemon Coliseum and released a movie titled 'Dogs in Love' which was pretty cool. It was basically a parody. I only saw the finished edited version. They started playing the sequel Coliseum XD and I had the misfortune of watching the uploaded raw footage. It's become apparent that the brainrot set in and some of that bled over to the finished first part. There was a whole thing about separating capitalists into 'good' and 'bad' capitalists and one of the people decided after about 6 episodes in before the first edited part came out they'd go be trans. The disappointment was real.

[@Skywolfhd20]

tankie brainrot is terminal, once you get it you'll never recover@@graveyardshift6691

[@thunderflare59]

Unsubscribed from him. This is unhinged.

[@disgaealikerasapOG]

Dude literally became the "Welcome to tumblr" character

[@lucaisgarden7005]

"Mom, I got a job! I'm a sensitivity reader!" Do they actually pay people for that?

[@originalriekko8813]

Luxury jobs are always weird like that, and usually the first to go when things start going south.

[@Temperans]

Depends on the company, yes they do get paid. Depending on the person yeah its can be useful. Case and point, depictions of trauma and major phobias when you want to make sure that your vision of those things are not wrong. * P.S. Activist are bad in all forms, I am not condoning activists.

[@anti-rioter-15]

Why do you think tv/movies and games suck right now? DEI hiring.

[@Qwertyuiop4409]

Mom: "Didnt you have to drop from school because you couldnt pass reading test?"

[@EJK2099]

​@@Temperans I would love to know your opinions about activists like Malcolm X, MLK Jr, Rosa Parks, Marlon Brando etc.,

[@Edujs23]

Imagine telling your client that their product sucks and expecting them to keep playing you to adapt it

[@themurmeli88]

"Your story was sooo not current year, so I replaced all the dialogue with meme-speak and my activism talking points."

[@doujinartist3580]

​@@themurmeli88 and they go with "why did you fired us ???"

[@thsudy]

It’s like McDonalds getting mad you return the burger they made that has hair and a nail in it

[@timothyfinch7295]

Oh, they're playing with him alright

[@Sujad]

Gaming has the same problem. Developers, game journos seem to think it's okay to insult their audiences extensively because the majority of gamers agree with their political views.

[@DriveCancelDC]

Age of consent in Japan isn't 13, it wasn't 13 even decades ago. It has been de facto 18 for a long time (16 in some circumstances), the idea that the age of consent in Japan is 13 comes from an outdated law that isn't applied to any of Japan's prefectures (basically US states). It's hilarious people thought the age of consent was 13 for so long (and some still do). The recent law change in the news surrounding this didn't actually change anything in reality.

[@ChaseR206]

i mean if you look it up it says 13 up until a year ago

[@FJaypewpew]

@@ChaseR206pretty sure it’s still stat rap e till they’re 18

[@elodieelvira7913]

there still is a very prominent problem of sexualization of young girls and lolicon men

[@ahappylilshushiroll21]

@@elodieelvira7913 you mean like the rest of the world? no matter where you go thats a prominent problem

[@claylilac]

@@elodieelvira7913 You forgot to link that issue with the current topic of debate. There IS a point to be made involving those two issues. The point being: The sexualization of "young" or "child-like" characters in Japanese media is a contributing factor for why foreigners wrongly assume Japan's legal age of consent is 13.

[@Zombie_Apocalypse]

"sensitivity readers" even sounds like a waste of oxygen, and a dinner deprivation of the local fauna

[@teaser6089]

Agreed

[@AtmonTheExectioner]

Seconded.

[@zulzineloso7531]

Imagine they get assigned to do a berserk dub i bet they would be too sensitive there

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@AtmonTheExectioner]

@@dandalas2168 A recent study was done into trans people (wish I still had the link for it)...but over 85% were suffering from an identity crisis over actual dysphoria that could be cured with time and proper therapy. And over 97% have extreme narcissism.

[@RohNader]

To suggest anime watchers are racist when they are literally watching something because its animation made in Japan is literally out of sync with the very nature of your product.

[@luminous3558]

Dub writers on the other hand.....

[@fatusopp4739]

counterargument: k-on!

[@GeraltofRivia22]

​@@fatusopp4739k-on and bocchi are 4chan's favourite anime.

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

@@fatusopp4739 -sieg zeon-

[@crusaderkaiser2000]

@@fatusopp4739 They're schizophrenic, thats not fair

[@sarge2115]

"Sorry, but this piece of literature has been reviewed by the proper authorities and corrective actions have been taken." Insanity that these "intellectuals" dont see the irony of having this paired with their Anti-fascist mindset

[@seg162]

Anti-fascists are _just_ communists.

[@alexanderwaller7354]

This is a common theme in cyberpunk dystopian futures. Watch the original Rollerball with James Caan, or Equilibrium with Christian Bale.

[@rykehuss3435]

@@alexanderwaller7354 Equilibrium is underrated as fuck

[@LameMule]

The Ministry of Truth masquerades as progressive thinkers.

[@GusMortis]

IngSoc thought they were doing good in 1984. The book is the literal playbook for how to use propaganda.

[@xiaoegg]

Imagine going to McDonald for a big mac and they hand you a chicken sandwich and tell you "we made it better, eat more chicken"

[@hifferr]

or worse, vegan chicken

[@Fonz128]

But that’s the Silicon Valley way. Intentionally giving the wrong product that the customer asked for then threaten them.

[@TalasnatheHeartless]

Chicken Big Mac slaps tho

[@michaeltreu4152]

Disgusting@@TalasnatheHeartless

[@SirWasted]

haha thought the exact same 😆

[@neikyy2564]

"sensitivity readers" Tell me you are useless with zero worth to anyone whatsoever without actually telling me ffs

[@user-vc6]

Exactly lol ´sensitivity reader’ = some redditors lol

[@WallNutBreaker524]

​@@user-vc6 Redditors, Twitter and Mainstream News Viewers. 😂

[@NetBattler]

Too soft

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@curts7801]

@@WallNutBreaker524mainstream news viewers are normal people who don’t give a shit about these culture wars going on. We have shit to do.

[@H.A.R.D.B.O.I.L.E.D]

Trans Sensitivity Readers? WHAT? This is the exact moment I found out that this kind of thing exist Now where is my Dude Sensitivity Reader?

[@wontonschannel]

Once "dudes" start being beneficial to The Cause™, then we'll get our special treatment.

[@skitzseattle]

aka:" I applied company funds to my buddys"

[@brandonscott9747]

I want a white male sensitivity reader. Also, Christian sensitivity readers, conservative sensitivity readers, MAGA sensitivity readers, Jewish sensitivity readers, etc... Let's be sensitive and inclusive to EVERYONE.

[@theelementalstation947]

It is really common mainly regarding cultural, language and historical matters. So for example if a character speaks French you would get a couple of French speaking readers to verify it actually makes sense and any lingo is well implemented, or getting military guys to help craft believable protocol/military coms. However as with any tool it can be overused/mishandled which does seem to be the case in this particular mess.

[@aeircrown7994]

​@@brandonscott9747 Just go to Texas.

[@AngryJones]

You know this localizer bs is so fuckup that not only is a problem in the west anymore, two weeks ago in Japan a mangaka/writer of "Sexy Tanaka-san' manga kill herself because of the scriptwriter Tomoko Aizawa change so much her story in the adaptation that she can't take anymore the pain of seeing her work of love be tainted. THIS NEED TO STOP !

[@Hecatom]

What?

[@Backstabmacro]

Whoa, really? Do you have a link? That sucks if it’s true.

[@ethanfreeman1106]

​@@BackstabmacroI looked it up with just "sexy tanaka-san" as the keyword and quickly found the article on unseen-japan about this tragedy. It's a good read. One of the fellow authors said, "I'm remembering the day I cried buckets when I realized I was the one who cared most about my work." That struck a cord.

[@Backstabmacro]

@@ethanfreeman1106 I just found the same article. Damn, and this JUST happened too.

[@GooseAlarm]

Gawd damn, this is horrible. At this point don't let anyone touch your shit,

[@sorarocks531]

Honestly insane that these localizers think they can shove their agenda in our faces.

[@jonmcnamara]

Why wouldn't they? They succeeded in doing it with all other forms of media.

[@nickf2657]

Well, they're doing it.

[@solzstice]

they don't think they can. they do. and you all eat it up like candy too. money talks, quit paying

[@id2k.]

It's a religion, they're zealots.

[@SynDeus]

They have been doing it for decades. Hollywood, tv commercials, videogames, comic books, etc. etc. and it won't change unless you admit left wing is cancer

[@DiscoGhost2009]

A lot of people don't realize this is the same reason that we still read things like to kill a mockingbird in high school. It's to learn from the past.

[@Dommifax]

And they wonder why so many people prefer freebooted fan subs over company-made subs and dubs

[@Good_Horsey]

From the early days fansubs were superior. Translating text on the screen that maybe didn't need to be, cultural context notes to explain WHY a character used a certain word, all that good shit began with fansubs as far as I remember

[@GELTONZ]

@@Good_Horsey I mean pretty much. If you go back to 1989 when the first official sub was released, it was by a company called Animeigo and they included a sheet of paper called "Liner Notes" which had all of that stuff printed on it. But those were the early days of anime and thus they were darn well nearly fansubs.

[@heyhoe168]

Yeah, now the fun part: its illegal. Avoiding woke "translation" is a piracy, because they paid money.

[@themaskedhobo]

🏴‍☠

[@danilooliveira6580]

@@GELTONZ I mean... not really ? animes were being localized since the 80's, and since then localizers used to butcher the original. remember sailor moon's US localization censoring Sailor Uranus and Neptune romance ? or robotech being a complete invention from Harmony Gold by completely changing the context of a bunch of unrelated anime to turn into a single franchise ?

[@MidKnighter]

The same thing happened with comic books. Tons of the writers hate comics, but somehow ended up with that job. Which is why tons of modern comics mock the heroes, point-out how silly the plot is, break the fourth wall, crap on legacy characters, etc

[@Dante02d12]

Comicbooks do that all the time in their original versions though.

[@MrShady455]

Couple examples pls ) I hope spider man comics series alright ? Xd

[@demonlordotrt754]

​@@MrShady455😂😂😂😂😂 ow you poor poor thing toy 😅

[@housewilma4904]

they made iceman a flamboyant greysterotype after being mind maniplated by jean grey. they turned the orginal captain america into a always being a hydra agent spy aka making captain america a yatzi. they made captain marvel a literal dictator who got kids to kidnap people who didnt commit any crimes and STILL SAYS SHES JUSTIFIED. they made Wolverine have a three way relationship with cyclops and jean grey. they tried to replace hulk as the mainline bruce banner with a new asin diversity hire only for it to fail and him to get his own name. they made shehulk turn into a hulk with a wig form instead of her actual hulk form for a entire comic line where she complained about her life stayed inside and didnt fight criminals or crime or work. a marvel editior literally self inserted themselves into the CANON universe as gwenpool. they did a comic were miles morales became thor and they made him wear basketballs shoes and shorts and had STREET GRAFFTI ALL OVER MJOLNIR.

[@MrShady455]

@@housewilma4904 hm , captain America and Marvel … I think good heroes turn to evil it’s interesting 😓like a injustice (evil superman) But shehulk case bs I got it )

[@jtmarin04]

Haven't thought about JelloApocalypse since his dumb political cartoon around 2016 so the most surprising thing to me is that he was working in the dubbing industry

[@KaitoverMoon]

Someone else's work is not a vehicle for your world views. Localizers need to do their job and stfu.

[@TheBatman39]

Everything is political according to them

[@BlakeAzu]

This, a million times over.

[@LittleLuxia]

They're not talented enough to write their own work, so they sabotage others🙄

[@NateO123]

Activists use a profession to infiltrate, pushing their agenda is the only job that they really believe they have. It must be acknowledged in all things.

[@finfrog3237]

Localizers do not need to exist.

[@jusfab9897]

You know when all the nerds said "Read the sub, not the dub" and people laughed at them. BTW read the OC material of the anime/manga or whatever. Anime/manga companys often do the same thing as these localizers.

[@BouncingTribbles]

I've always prefered fan trans, as long as they aren't done by weebs.

[@everlastiny]

@@BouncingTribbles bro the wording is so wrong

[@link4585]

as someone who read fan tanslations. dont. @@BouncingTribbles

[@BouncingTribbles]

@@everlastiny LMAO phrasing!

[@hafirenggayuda]

Sadly, fansub already infected

[@erikjrn4080]

Basically, there are four things described here: Changing the text because they disagree ("NO! She should fight the patriarchy!"), changing the text because they think they're better creators than the creator ("that's repetitive. so it's bad!"), changing the text because otherwise people would realize that it was written in the past, and that the past is different from the present ("someone not being a Twitter addict is *so* old fashioned!"), and changing the text because they think the readers are stupid, and need help to see the nuances ("what he *really* meant was this!").

[@MauricioOsuna-et8et]

It's like localizer watched Ghost Stories, an anime for which the localizers HAD PERMISSION to just do whatever they wanted because the writers didn't think it would have any reach outside of Japan, and that went super as everyone enjoyed the out-of-place humor and references, and thought "Hey, we can do that too!" but without asking permission to do it.

[@chrismoke]

ghost stories dub was the best

[@reapercometh]

Ghost stories they didn't have an agenda just be wild and funny. They weren't pretending to be better than anyone

[@signa8]

​@reapercometh if anything, they were pretending to be the worst possible human beings, like how Always Sunny does it.

[@fromryuk7785]

​@@reapercomethno but they did make social and political commentary in their jokes.

[@_Sage967_]

Ghost Stories was a situation were they put just about anything out and the source material was so bad that even a rewrite would be fine. they got the green light for all relevant parties and went wild. it was like a group having a bit that heavily involved farting or the idea of farting as opposed to modern localization which would be just making a series of fart jokes. if you dont find farts funny then the latter will fall flat while the former has enough content and moving parts that you can find other parts of it funny

[@Payleus]

We live in a world where someone puts "trans sensitivity reader" on their resume what a time to be alive.

[@mlgsamantha5863]

fuck maybe I should put that on my resume and get an easy job out of it. finally get some money out of all those estrogen pills I've been taking over the years

[@beepboop4833]

And expect to be taken seriously 🤣

[@ttthttpd]

17:15 "I made it better" really did happen at the Vatican once. All the old art with male nudes had had fig leafs added. Statues had the "offending" organ removed.

[@LonelyAncient]

to sum up why it happens, most localizers are those who BARELY passed the n5 for Japanese language. if they had better credentials they would've worked at a translation job that pays well like in science or product manuals. anime localization pays in nickels, no one does it for the money. so what's left is either passion (it's rare but there are times where localizations did punch up dialog without changing the context) or to push an agenda

[@superturkle]

i wasnt of aware of that. in the end you get what you pay for i guess.

[@tasa4904]

As a sidenote, the JLPT tests go in reverse. Starting from n5, the demonstration of your proficiency gets better as you approach n1.

[@DxBlack]

...so we're going to assume n5 is HIGHSCHOOL LEVEL, which is the typical writing level of most Manga/Anime.

[@DigitalMoonlight]

@@DxBlack that's not how language skill grading systems work, they're not really comparable to school level, N5 is basically being able to function at a basic level if you somehow got stranded in Japan. A high schooler would easily be N1 or if they had particularly poor language skills N2, N2 is generally where you'd need to be in order to pick up a Japanese newspaper and understand it to give you a benchmark.

[@rykehuss3435]

never dub always sub

[@chiekokurokumo]

I'm a ghostwriter for a specific platform I won't name. I started work there feeling really scared about screwing up people's ideas and stuff. After 2 years of putting in the hours, I got to a point where I would be given "problem" orders to "fix". One case stood out to me. A client had requested a biography for a specific target audience and the ghostwriter initially chosen literally. could. not. cope. Putting the spin on it the way the author requested was apparently so antithetical to their being, they effed up really badly. I was called into "revise" but I ended up rewriting large chunks for free because I was incensed. If you don't like the author's targeted audience, don't like the direction of the project, and don't like the topic of the project... Don't. Take. The. Project. But these people are between a rock and a hard place. They want their cake (convictions) and eat it too (no sacrifices). As a writer and ghostwriter, I find this kind of story to be an absolute nightmare... Imagine finding out that your work and ideas were butchered. Even worse, isn't this some kind of white privilege or supremacy, eradicating POC's voices??? Or does sexuality matter more than race these days? KEKW. I guess Japanese people, like many Asians, aren't "colored" enough to be protected.

[@ralk7048]

Years ago in a psychology course, teachers were talking about handling clients with viewpoints different from the students', there's this one person who expressed that they will never work with people of certain religions and cultural beliefs that they believe are bigoted. They were proud of their bigotry against bigots. They completely missed the point of the 30 minutes before that was covering professionalism and tolerance, and instead was trying to fit those ideas onto their individual self-expression. It's crazy how some people don't consider professionalism anymore. Do your job according to the client's needs once you've accepted the job, follow through until they are satisfied, within the bounds of the agreement. If you don't like it to begin with, don't take the damned job, remain courteous and don't burn your bridges. Having an adult tantrum is not an excuse for anything, and frankly I'm surprised these people get to remain employed for this long.

[@shattermind9355]

Not sure how you brought racial issues into this. It isn't about race war it's about ideology war, if anime came from Africa there would be similar issues when localizing it to America.

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@chiekokurokumo]

@@shattermind9355 The ideology they push in universities is a form of "critical theory" that presupposes that the new paradigm is oppressor-oppressed. It's a new binary riffing off Marx that can be used for multiple scenarios that they see fit to focus on any one time. When it matters, they talk about Asian representation and voices in Hollywood. "Not enough racial minorities represented! Get DEI up in there!" But my point was that they don't care about any minority voices, really. They're just picking and choosing for their benefit. Right now, the "in" thing to champion is sexuality-related or trans stuff, I reckon. So even the voices of a minority (the Japanese) get shafted in the name of representing OTHER minority voices.

[@thegreenxeno9430]

We must protect the gyarus

[@skirdus367]

Not really surprised by this kind of behavior coming from JelloApocalypse after the whole "Vote" video incident some years back

[@LuznoLindo]

Unrelated, but is your profile picture the eye of Dark Nebula from Kirby: Squeak Squad?

[@josiahclarke3535]

Lovely Complex was a show that helped me during a low time in my life. I watched some various romance anime and this one stuck with me at the time for feeling very genuine to me. Sucks that people decided the story wasn’t good enough as it is.

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Same, Bokura Ga Ita helped me into one.

[@sungahymn]

Lovely Complex is a classic and deserves better

[@christianrivera7070]

Same man Lovely Complex is goated for me.

[@v-ia]

​@@sboinkthelegday3892BOKURA GA ITA ON TOP W W W

[@AnarchHive]

LoveCom was my first romance anime, I remember it fondly to this day (even read the manga). I was so excited to see Otani and Koizumi on the thumbnail, but then I saw what the video was about... how dare they taint this show with their political agenda!

[@nebula0024]

Funny thing is, this is just the modern-day equivalent of religious piousness. These "activists" think they have the moral authority and are enforcing their will on others; it's about power over others. Good thing is, more people are starting to see through this now and are calling it out.

[@carsandsports123]

Modern puritians

[@parkersmule]

I'm glad he has the reasonability to just say that he morally disagrees with how Japanese culture handles underage anime characters and appeals to lolicons. Much better than straight up calling Japanese people or weebs pedophiles if they disagree with him, which waters down the term to the benefit of actual real life pedos.

[@espurrseyes42]

If you're making cartoon characters and their arbitrary ages into a moral thing in the first place, then you're basically calling people who like it p3d0s. He's just choosing his words carefully so he can't be accused of being an anti. He's not any better.

[@vonnie0_0]

@espurrseyes42 He’s better than antis cuz he didn’t call anyone a pedo for it, but still acknowledges that it’s weird to him. Honestly any Joe Shmoe would think the same, even if it is fictional it’s still odd.

[@oompalumpus699]

Agreed. Also, fun fact: There are plenty of Japanese people who hate anime and otaku culture. This cultural phenomenon was shown in an episode of Oreimo.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@vonnie0_0 He's not any better when he's pondering if he should have the ability to get rid of the content. He's trying to act like a censorship opposer while ranting about how he wants so badly to censor something he doesn't like. He is a hypocrite.

[@Banex01gosha]

​@oompalumpus699 I'm from Europe, I actually like Japan and their culture but don't like anime. Sue me!

[@marksr1907]

tolerance is not approval; but that's what they want it to be acceptance is not surrender; but that's what they want it to be "They" want approval and surrender because tolerance and acceptance did not cede the world to their opinion.

[@g.waughan]

This localizer was jelloapocalypse, by the way. He infamously made a video urging people to vote, but only to vote if they were going to vote blue. He is also known for liking scat, big surprise.

[@littlebabyman8494]

It’s a damn shame. I liked his “so this is” series.

[@kroganshepard6594]

He's known for liking *WHAT?*

[@LittleLuxia]

Unfortunately that's how most "go out and vote" ads are, or at least, the ones i've seen. And out of curiosity when did this happen? (I wasn't aware he made that until I saw your comment)

[@g.waughan]

@@LittleLuxia Before the 2018 midterms there are reuploads

[@howardmurphy8019]

Honestly, not shocked.

[@seg162]

Discotek never apologized for producing a deliberately inaccurate dub-- they tried to _justify_ themselves, by pointing to standard "localization" difficulties and claiming that they were supervised by the show's original producers. The latter is a lie, of course-- none of what any involved worker said seems to ever mention the producers even once. They still kept talking about sneaking in changes and rewriting characters _without ever mentioning involvement by the original producers._

[@hafizyb]

On a side note, why do western people always attributed anything even slightly not 100% man or woman to trans? It's especially noticeable when it comes to any japan related media. "Oh, this must be trans" - referring to a tomboy. "Oh look, another trans" - referring to a femboy. "Yet another trans!" - referring to crossdressers. Just why? Like, isn't this just basically forcing YOUR views onto OTHER people/things by not understanding the difference of it? Like, imagine if I just label all the guns that sells in America to the public as just "child killers" instead? Or labelling other sexes besides male/female as just "person"? Or any sexual orientations besides heterosexual as just "other-sexual".

[@thepsychomagus]

I watched a review on Final Fantasy 5 and they were talking about one of the characters Faris. Due to the background of the character, the YTer calls them trans. That isnt accurate in the slightest.

[@yuelan7153]

interestingly, this probably has something to do with america having its cultural roots deep in christianity. you'd think that after growing up being told you can only do x or y based on your gender people would revolt by not caring and doing whatever they feel like doing, but ultimately people end up repeating the mistakes of their forefathers in one way or another. if you "can't like blue" because you're a girl, then you become a boy to avoid the effects of inertia. if you like wearing dresses or doing makeup despite being a guy, then you must be a woman (or non-binary); since, you know. people "can't like things that haven't been assigned to their gender". the human brain does interesting, confusing things when met with conflicting information. existential dread is a bitch.

[@missilecarrier]

You are only allowed to be yourself under their conditions. Acceptance of ambiguity is no longer a thing.

[@Dyne-uy2yy]

@@missilecarrier Seems kind of Binary.

[@MegaGlassguy]

It boggles my mind too. It's the group that preaches about "the spectrum of identity" but ultimately puts everything into the same box.

[@0x_hackerfren]

Evil cannot create. It can only destroy

[@arnebobflutschkopf3439]

That's bs

[@WestCoasterEx]

@@arnebobflutschkopf3439 You're bs.

[@NS-wk6lm]

Also poorly imitate, but yes.

[@yunoyukki7344]

@@arnebobflutschkopf3439 No evil takes things and twists it. Like comics/movies lol

[@mcst6969]

"...only corrupt..." is the right expression and it's more fitting too, because no anime got destroyed(you can watch the sub version), but the dub version did got manipulated, corrupted!

[@vidya2144]

"I like the way east asian countries do family, I think they do it better than here." "When I was a kid I didn't know why gays couldn't get married, and as an adult pushing 40, I still don't know any cogent arguments people had against it. I had no mental growth between when I was 6 and 40 on marriage and how that connects to having families." We east asians see the meaning and purpose of marriage as having children and creating a family unit. You can throw all your little exceptions to the rule like muh contraceptions and infertility but gay marriage is an oxymoron, and it makes mockery of the bond between men and women whose relations have an inherent potential to create life. It is fundamentally opposite to gay marriage. You don't even have to be religious to see this. Gays can be in a relationship and commit to each other for the rest of their lives, that's fine- you can even have a ceremony that mimics a real marriage, but the broader society must not call their relationship as marriage, for it is like calling the color white black and vice versa. Only in this western, postmodern, post-truth, post-meaning, nihilist, subjectivist hellhole can you mess with language and meanings to this degree. It's insane.

[@ToadstedCroaks]

You know, it used to be that if you wanted to redo an anime's script to your liking you just made an Abridged version of it; and it was either good or bad. Now they want to legitimize their fandubs, making it official cannon, and prevent any aspect of it from being criticized. It's seriously gross and disturbing.

[@BigSources]

This should result in a lawsuit...

[@ChiBrianXIII]

You don’t know law then.

[@BigSources]

@@ChiBrianXIII i know that you shouldn't just act the way you want to with other people's intellectual property. Imagine you write a book and an officially translated version of that book is basically just a different story. You don't think you should be able to sue the translator for that? You don't know english then, because you clearly have no idea what the word "should" implies in this context. I don't know the law. I'm not even american (where this is taking place) or in any way familiar with any international laws. I was talking about the fact that i think people SHOULD be able to sue for things like these.

[@ChiBrianXIII]

@@BigSources depends on the companies guidelines. Every company operates a different way, so if they had something in place that states they aren’t able to do so, it’s a dead in a water case. Just like in the US it’s different state by state. In Indiana you have no working rights. They can fire anyone for anything without any repercussions.

[@BigSources]

@@ChiBrianXIII but wouldnt the company working on the dub need to have some kind of contract with the anime studio that created the anime to even be allowed to work on it and legally publish the dub of the anime? Im aware that the individual in cases like these cant always be sued, but i thought the company behind her might get into trouble with the anime producers because of the previously mentioned contract, but im just speculating here, i dont have any objective and true knowledge about these laws.

[@ChiBrianXIII]

@@BigSources I believe so, then again. It may be different amongst the publishers at hand. Some companies won’t care, but I’m sure this is being stemmed from the majority of people complaining about these things happening, and could lead to them damaging the brand. Companies will do anything to protect themselves and the reputation they have. I still don’t think it’s going to be some sort of lawsuit though, I’m sure they ran it through their HR team and legal before pulling any kind of trigger.

[@itchyluvbumps3315]

They should sue the individual translators for copyright infringement. Using their content to write their own story

[@IcyBlaze616]

That's what we in the industry call a real "RIPBOZO moment"

[@lastsinnersa8002]

I watched Lovely Complex at an anime club back in the late 2000s. Was attended by mainly red-blooded people but they loved the hell out of Lovely Complex, as did I. This title doesn't need fixing. Someone who thinks they need to 'fix' one of the best romcoms ever needs 'fixing' themselves.

[@seg162]

I haven't even gotten through the first episode, but the energy in the performances, dialogue, and animation is wonderful. And if this is the anime, no wonder the manga won an award.

[@Elimba78]

the author can sue for them not following authors intentions or script. but then again the author should of been their more to make sure they did their job.

[@yaboiportch]

I never thought preferring subs to dubs would be considered counterculture, but here we are

[@Hecatom]

It always have been.

[@CatacombD]

Don't worry, I'm sure we already have assholes changing the subbed text, too. We just don't hear about it as much, because you actually would have to know japanese to catch them, instead of being able to simply cross-reference it with the sub. : /

[@willwel5533]

@@CatacombD In terms of this show, it aired in 2007 and was subbed around that time too, so we're safe from the woke shit. Now the new shows getting subbed, I actually do worry.

[@willwel5533]

Subs have always been way better than dubs. Dubbed anime is pure cringe.

[@aerickmon3350]

Careful now there They’ve fucked with the words down there too Ones like the Netflix evangelion and Nagatoro

[@ccrazool]

These people ACTIVELY HATE the paying customer. It's bizarre.

[@CidTheGargoyle]

True, but it seems to be an entertainment industry standard nowadays even as self destructive as it is. It started with “gaming journalism” during the gamergate fiasco and solidified with the Lady Ghostbusters movie and nobody wants to pay full price for the things they used to because they don’t know if the things they used to love will now be bastardized and have contempt for them even as they give them money for it at the same time. Even as the companies flounder and fail for it the people in charge would rather blame the consumer and apply every bad label to them that they can rather than admit that they made a mistake. I don’t know how long it can or will last, but the political/social landscape of the west being what it is I don’t have hope it will end anytime soon. TL;DR: They would rather blame others than themselves no matter how glaringly obvious it is.

[@frank6048]

Bro, that was a manga I read when I was small, and I still remember to this day Otani/Kotani and Risa to this day and considering I refer to most characters in manga as MC, Waifu and mobs because I don't remember any of their names, it means it marked a part of my life, so this hurts I probably also watched the anime, but luckily I always preferred subs over dub.

[@daisilyy]

The plot of Lovely Complex is already about accepting yourself as you are and not care about what people think about your appearance/identity and touches upon that in a comedic lighthearted way. Now I'm wondering if they even read the manga/watched the anime. 🤔

[@bored588]

of course they didnt, why would they, to them its just some shitty cartoon that they get paid to insert agendas into

[@GELTONZ]

Oh they mentioned it was Pro-Trans but it was "2007 Pro-Trans" which is basically anti-trans now because progressiveness is always moving forwards so everything they do today will be offensive in 10 years.

[@popers1328]

Subtlety isn't allowed. Only explicit propaganda. With subtlety, you get nuance and multiple interpretations, which are anathema to propaganda.

[@Shiirow]

they dont understand japenese, so they probably looked at the script and tossed it, making their own judgment on what they think it was saying.

[@jaycee330]

Probably not. Seiko (the trans student) was readily accepted by everyone in the original manga/anime (Ohtani kinda freaked out at first, but afterwards totally accepted Seiko).

[@juliencolicchio1628]

I studied translation a bit when I was a student and the very first thing you learn about translation is to keep the author's ideas/opinions/messages. You can adapt the text if necessary (cultural differences/brand names/jokes/lyrics) but you can't go bananas and change evrything you dislike about the author's intention. I'm a bit shocked those so called localizers can almost rewrite the whole script and add their own opinions like that... and they have the audacity to cry about the consequences of their actions. I'm not aware of the situation in Europe but localization seems to be less wild and more respectful towards translators' work.

[@davidrosensin7985]

I remember in the early days of subbing there'd be a translation that made absolutely no sense, and then in the margins there'd be a translator's note explaining the context/bridge. That was the way it should be. Let's the purists get their's, and lets the people who don't know learn if they want.

[@luminous3558]

Its ideological, they do it to paint all culture in their shitty colors. Localization doesn't pay well so I wouldn't doubt it if some sort of NGOs were funding these localizers to do these changes. But could also just be true believers.

[@dankshnek6263]

Same, man, I'm studying to be a translator and all of these news of localizers from the US is making me question how these people got their jobs.

[@07Renge]

That's how translators should be. I am currently a fan of the light novel series Ascendance of a Bookworm, and the translator, Quof, is a legend in the community. Bookworm releases translated chapters every week since 2019 because of how hard Quof works and he always keeps in touch with the author in order to ensure that the story flows amazingly while adapting some of the jokes and context in english. That is the best type of translator and we are thankful to have Quof passionately translating an amazing story like Ascendance of a Bookworm.

[@doomguy4945]

The people doing this arent translators though. Im sure the real translators are doing their job well, but then other folks get involved that change what the translator wrote down.

[@beerosaurusrex]

Being called "transphobic" is like being told you think the earth is round.

[@haramsaddam238]

I’d say at least 90% of humanity would be considered transphobic by twitterites

[@МатвейКим-з9ф]

​@@haramsaddam23890%?? Even more. They struggle to enforce their agenda even on first world

[@Bigoleboi]

It's crazy to see jello become exactly the thing he made fun of.

[@brian_sipe]

He hit a wall in late 2016, and started losing his mind, for whatever reason...

[@littlebabyman8494]

He made fun of these types?

[@arciks11]

@@littlebabyman8494 "Welcome To Tumblr" was a video he made before politics made him exactly like the thing he used to mock.

[@Calidreth]

@@brian_sipe So... TDS gotcha

[@lordhughmungus]

@@brian_sipe One can only guess...

[@RyviusRan]

I remember reading Lovely Complex around 20 years ago. It was one of the most popular romance comedy manga along with His and Her Circumstances. I don't remember the source material for the manga getting much negative reviews. These "translators" don't know what they're talking about.

[@Dwellerinshadow]

Of course they have no clue what they're talking about, Lovely Complex was great.

[@thumpg]

same i loved lovely complex and i dont usually like romance theme anime

[@seg162]

It won a Shogakukan Manga Award. The translators are in an alternate dimension.

[@ブライソンマシュー-q7g]

Think about it this way, these mangas are SO popular that they are voted by a discriminating audience week after week, month after month for Shounen Jump, or in this mangas case, Bessatsu Margaret (a shoujo magazine). The audience loved it enough for it to earn its own exclusive manga book, which was then popular enough to earn itself an anime AND a live action movie. Japan is not starved for anime ideas and MANY do not get through the hurdles this one did. It was loved so much that it was then brought to the West where the subs have been appreciated for decades. And these idiots think they know better. Oh and you don't need a trans voice actor to play a trans character. You need a female-sounding voice actor, anything beyond that is called "acting".

[@AshtailFoxclaw]

I've been sorting through my memory, trying to think of anything regarding this specific story that was hugely problematic and I'm coming up short. Why is this happening to Lovely Complex of all things?

[@alestane2]

It's about professionalism. If you're hired to translate, you translate. Adaptation to make it understandable is OK if its part of the job, injecting your political/religious views inside the work and distorting it is not, and you should be sued/not payed/excluded from further work by the party that contracted the work to you. If the source material is too unpalatable for you, you refuse the contract. If it's illegal, you report it to legal authorities.

[@ch3nz3n]

And this is why AI will take over this particular industry. No anime company wants to deal with this dumb shit. Soon, they'll get software to do the translations at the time of production so this becomes a non-issue. The weirdos will scream bloody murder about it. Nobody will care, which will just make them angrier. lol

[@alexisdurouchet4021]

It's a win win for japan tbh, use AI distributes it and got more money, it's just a question of times, and since they can even use AI to replicate the official voice dub of the japanese duber it's will even be better for us and close to the original anime. Just a question of time.

[@Lakeone_]

To be fair, AI isn't quite good enough yet for localization - translation is getting there, but for localization it's still a ways off, since a lot of Japanese idioms/slang cannot be ported 1:1 into other languages

[@mrbanditos3583]

Fair point, but then the rest of the job will be handled by translator working as localizator(bonus points if sworn because sworn one has like 20 percent chance of people passing on average) than just localization team itself.@@Lakeone_

[@ch3nz3n]

@@Lakeone_ Hence "will take over" not "has taken over".

[@Lakeone_]

@@ch3nz3n yeah I was just adding to your comment, not necessarily disagreeing with it

[@user-kz4ro9uq4q]

lolli isn't just kids, it is often known as petite adults which do exist. there are short females everywhere, also not all have big boobs. it the style of how art is made that can make they look much younger, although in irl people do actually look younger than they are. beside that, feel bad that people have their work forcefully changed and made worse without their consent. hope that they dont continue to badly dub shows because it the only way for some people to watch shows

[@aereonexapprentice7205]

Oh, welp. How unfortunate to see JelloApocalypse going down this route, such a shame especially since this sets precedent to his future works.

[@Hellwolf36]

He truly became the very thing he made fun of when he did the Tumblr video

[@signa8]

JA is the IDubbbz of the animation world.

[@DiegoHernandez-ts8by]

​@Hellwolf36 what tumbler vid I remember he did a bad political voting vid that he did then took down

[@sungahymn]

Was anyone expecting anything different from the guy who made the infamous "vote" video that was so obviously left-leaning while styling itself as objective voting advice for Americans? Pushing an agenda seems to be his way of life

[@g.waughan]

He went downhill long ago with his voting video that amounted to "please go vote but only blue kthx :)"

[@psyky]

I saw this recently in a my hero episode. Civilians were attacking a shark looking person because she looked like a monster. Instead of yhe mob saying you shouldnt go out looking like that(because monster appearance) it was translated as "you shouldnt go out dressed like that" changing the conflict point

[@psyky]

Well, maybe this doesn't apply to the topic because this was sub not dub

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

They really have no sense for writing... That line would be crucial for making someone empathize with her. But if her clothes are normal it will suck all the tension out of the scene.

[@ThatWhichObserves]

@@Awakened_Mucacha the irony is her clothes are normal, she's wearing a plaid shirt and jeans if i'm remembering the scene correctly.

[@realperson2836]

If I remember this mistranslation it's likely just a mistake, 格好(kakkō) can mean appearance or clothing contextually. But you're right, there are endless cases like this so it's best to learn Japanese if you want accuracy.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

@@psyky No, subs are actually using worse than dubs as far as localizer interference goes. It has been that way for at least the last few years. Blame Funimation and Crunchyroll.

[@Itslvle]

"I get my feelings hurt by the slightest things professionally!" -sensitivity reader

[@MrFox1231]

Bold of Jello to release an essay like this NOW of all times.

[@TheTrueMilery]

I watched the sub of this show a couple years ago, from what I remember, it is one of the only anime that actually has a trans character (and not just a cross dresser). And that characters arc in the show was about how she has to deal with the people who don't accept it, but it doesn't matter what others think, which from my understanding is a lot of trans peoples experience. So if they just took out all instances of people not accepting her, then they just took out the entirety of her character, and the actual representation that this character was able to represent.

[@ju5tm398]

Just the same way theyre butchering Sokka in the Avatar LA. If it has anything to do with the insecure agendas the showrunners/localisers have, its almost always altered with equal amounts of backlash

[@amuro9624]

In gantz there's a scene where one of the main characters does black face and shoots a mall or something but even that I wouldn't want it to be removed. Idk why it's so hard as a translator to just do your job. Next they gonna start changing legal documents they're asked to translate because they don't agree with the laws.

[@flamerollerx01]

I remember when I first watched the anime and I never had any issues with that character. This was many years ago, when people were a lot more hostile to such people. The anime was truly ahead of it's time and the times now have gone backwards.

[@ch1dd]

I think it's more common for the crossdressers to be trans than not, but the shows are old enough that it wasn't a categorized thing yet. Even a more recent show like Blue Period treats it basically the same, this constant labeling is a western thing I feel like.

[@mrjtfang2]

@@ju5tm398 Hold up, do you hae some details about the character that none of us are privy to?

[@davidgordon3744]

It’s not transphobic to not want to watch or participate in trans things. It’s like if I like action and somebody else like rom-coms. If people want to watch rom-coms, go for it, but dont shove it down my throat and tell me to enjoy it. Not liking rom-coms doesnt mean I now have a phobia of it.

[@oompalumpus699]

Exactly. If they want trans shows, then make it and sell it to trans people. I'm not interested in it and I never will be. But that's not allowed apparently. You must accept or else.

[@jetdathreat]

I wonder what a sensitivity reader would think of Saving Private Ryan

[@ΤάσοςΚαυσοκαλυβίτης]

or "the green mile" huehuehue. All Tom Hanks' movies would have been sent to the trash-can by those people :P

[@richardgibson2158]

There is a scene where conscripted soldiers were saying "don't shoot we were forced" in their native language but American soldiers killed them thinking they were speaking German. It was added to show the absolute disdain Americans had for Germans after a long offensive. Today they would probably dub it to be German and everyone high-fiving each other after.

[@WayStedYou]

They think they are living through saving private ryan doing their job every day

[@Avetho]

They'd have a stroke? That was an incredible film

[@im7254]

I wonder how they would change game of thrones to have less rape and skinning ppl alive

[@sentientwaffle6696]

My dad and I had a conversation about gay marriage 19 years ago. He was going on about all your typical Christian beliefs. I said "I don't see what's wrong with it. If they want to be miserable too then let them. Everyone should have an equal chance to ruin their lives." and ever since he's been rooting for it.

[@skaels]

I enjoy shows that are time capsules. I don't want to see an old show say "poggers"

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

A normal rule for writing to make it timeless is simply not to date you dialogue. There are some exceptions to this, but in general it is for slangs. Like it would be betterment to say flirting over saying rizz. Because flirting will remain in the future and rizz will die off eventually.

[@teaser6089]

​@@Awakened_Mucacha Yeah it mostly goes for using slang. look at works like Tolkien's LOTR, that contains many words we wouldn't normally use in everyday English anymore, yet I wouldn't call the works outdated. It also really depends on the slang though, a slang word like: "Cool" although "outdated" clearly is known amongst everyone and can still be used. I think mostly slang that only exists in part of the community tend to die sooner rather than later, like the gamer slang: "Poggers" or Z slang: "Rizz'. But slang that most of the community uses like: "Cool", "Gnarly", "Chill" stuff like that tends to persist.

[@dfsfsfdsaf6511]

Imagine they'd do this to historical films.

[@mightyfineincredible2252]

These people can't think beyond current time.

[@dandalas2168]

They want attention, period: 1) angry a group of people/culture; 2) they get hate messages/death threats; 3) blaming the group/all people for their hateful act (and not seeing why they hate you for) 4) victimize yourself/ Profit ??? 5) where profit??? ¯\_( 0_0)_/¯/ ¯\_(0_0 )_/¯ 🤣

[@Eli-nc3wj]

Lovely Complex is honestly a lovely anime if you watch it subbed or know Japanese. These localizers have such a huge ego that they think another artist's work is theirs. I'm happy Japan is regulating who gets to touch their stuff.

[@Madashell1200]

People like that, who aren't talented enough to create something at that level, settle for changing it to fit their delicate sensibilities. How pathetic does a person have to be for that level of narcissism to exist.

[@johnravely2872]

I don't really watch anime anymore, but if I sat down to watch Akira with my granddaughter and the story or dialogue had been changed, even to something I agree with, I'd be livid. "Back in the old days..." not understanding anime references or cultural differences was a good thing, and drove you to better understand the culture which created the content, so that you could get the jokes and plot twists. Experiencing the other culture was part of the fun.

[@davidrosensin7985]

Member when it'd be a (generally) faithful translation with a "translator's note" in the margins giving context? I member.

[@Tu-Li-Oh]

@@davidrosensin7985 man, I love the olden days. Pausing the chapter to read the notes and go "DUUUUUDE, THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE! COOL!" and get hyped for the new information I learned. It's unfortunate.

[@davidrosensin7985]

@@Tu-Li-Oh I learned an insane amount about history and the Japanese culture due to that.

[@Tu-Li-Oh]

@@davidrosensin7985 for damn real bro. I wouldn't have any idea what the Tanabata festival was, or what Nagashi Somen is if not because of anime/vn/eroges. (I learned about Nagashi Somen back in highschool, and I, to this day, want to eat it)

[@smahlt]

"They aren't localizers, they're activists." This is true. I know everyone likes to shit on localizers right now, but there is a real need for some localization. A machine translating Japanese to other languages 1-1 is gonna spit out a lot of awkward text that sounds weird to native speakers of other languages. There needs to be some rewriting in order to get sensible grammar and to translate words which may not have an equivalent in other languages. But yeah that's where the localizers need to fucking stop.

[@LordTyph]

The cases of AI translation that were used had someone looking over the result and smoothing things out where the AI struggled, from what I heard. The human element isn't entirely gone in this instance. Just as long as they don't do what Digimon Seekers did...

[@jase276]

Idgaf, localization has always been a poison. Look at 4Kids. If you're going to watch another culture's media or indulge in their media of any kind then put in the effort to understand it at some level. For decades fansubs will have a translator note that explains something that is potentially lost in translation up on the screen somewhere. That is perfect enough. If I'm reading or watching a work from another culture I want to read and hear the words the author wrote. And if the grammar is "insensible" then it sounds like the translator needs to be fired.

[@SaltyChickenDip]

It's a shame because some of the most beloved media in the West came from great localization.

[@purpledevilr7463]

‘These people are activists, not localisers’ I’m an activist. I don’t do this, I deliver leaflets, I talk to people. I don’t interfere with other’s media. Activist used to be a clean word. People like these localisers make it dirty.

[@uelld.8371]

I'm more surprised that how the studio who managing these translations script are giving the greenlight. I suppose even these studio don't even care about the anime but only the profit from the high demand.

[@rickytrapshogun]

This makes me super sad reading this hopefully great creators stay active😢

[@AnonningAnon]

Man, localizers honestly make themselves out to be losers with inserting every political issue under the sky into an IP for brownie points. I don't blame the trans folks for accepting the work, money is money and this is their profession, I do however think the localizers need to stay in their lanes or get replaced. If you don't do your job properly, don't expect to keep it.

[@ACViper]

i don't like how 1 person can ruin the reputation of others. The guy didn't even make actual changes to the anime dub. I watched the original with sub a while back and the dub kept most of the original source. He said he was going to remove the mangaka, but he still in the dub version. He just tried to ruin the company's image.

[@Amanti47]

Transtrenders going along with this and not speaking out are a major part of the problem

[@edmaldonado8207]

Agreed

[@finfrog3237]

To apply their own rules: men should be played by men and women by women.

[@teaser6089]

Problem is that a ton of those "trans" folk that went along with it actually support that message. Because those that speak out against this BS get swarmed and attacked by the few that try to force their ideology into everything.

[@hexaquras9374]

I'm just glad that Optimus Prime and the autobots gets a representation, shoutout to those TRANS-formers

[@CarefulObserversPerspective]

Don't do Optimus Prime and the Autobots dirty like that. Besides like the guy below said they're more like Decepticons. Reminds me of Mega-trans from that one flashgitz video.

[@TheOneGreat]

He can turn into a rainbow 🌈 lol

[@anti-rioter-15]

More like decepticons though. Infiltrate/obfuscate/groom

[@ericbright1742]

They're robots. They're literally binary. 1s and 0s.

[@nukehead849]

Flashgitz?

[@lunaticyoshi1]

The thing about "underaged" anime characters is that they're fiction. They're drawings that don't/can't have human rights. Ignoring such materal causes harm to no one. On the other hand, CP has actual victims. Young people whose human rights were violated. Ignoring these victims can result in the creation of many more "real" victims. The big issue I have is that the same people complaining about underaged, fictional characters, completely support shows like Cuties and could care less about real victims of human trafficking.

[@vladprus4019]

Yeah, it's like people are forgetting why we have stuff like "age of consent" in the first place. It's not because "it's weird and disgusting", it's because it is always abuse of the child as they aren't mentally developped enough.

[@Hecatom]

Not to mention support kids being groomed to transition because a parent trying to virtue signal by toying with their lifes.

[@orionfell]

i guarantee you the people that are complaining about lolicon culture in japanese media also were complaining about cuties.

[@jimmyjunk3093]

My issue is the double standard. They'll say loli shit is bad, but then murder in GTA, Skyrim, etc. If one is bad because it would horrible IRL, then the other is as well.

[@VerGiLL1]

​@@orionfellSure they are. Let's get one thing straight. People always bring lolicon because I guess that's the only one they know of but it's definitely not the only one that exists. Twilight is the "'3000 years old loli" reversed and people ate it up no problem.

[@luizmonad777]

10:50 that's why it was approved as a law, its only when the majority of people accept that as a truth that it is possible to make it a law.

[@ramsack]

Wait, so JelloApocalypse is that brainrot localizer? Damn i used to like his "So this is basically" series.

[@DD-fs7pg]

Opposite here, I've never liked his content because he's always seemed like a condescending smug asshole, among other things, and I'm ngl, I'm glad that I'm right.

[@rapidrotation]

He's been a known woke activist for years now, since he made his pozzed video in 2016 about the presidential election. He even went back and basically called anyone who liked "welcome to tumblr" bigots, -ists, -phobes, etc. Dude's been like this for a loooong time now.

[@Jeremy-yp8eh]

Trump really broke a lot of people's brains

[@deadturret4049]

He always had brainrot

[@zimzamzoom69]

And people wonder why fansubs are more popular and much better than official subs

[@whitedragonzerureusu4480]

Well most of the time i see people say they are better because they sound better. Not because of wokalizers changing it. This is fairly new and slowly becoming more known and shared to others. I listen to both and go by which one i think suits the characters personality and fits them more. Dub often butches that and changes a lot of humour and things the characters say from manga and light novels. I noticed this in the bungo stray dogs dub. The humour is quite different than the sub in random moments and it just isn't the same and it's not as funny. I will still watch old shows like naruto in dub because i grew up with that. Starting this year i will watch the subs more often than the dub. If there's any woke things in the dub i will abandon it completely and change to sub. I would also like to point out that not everyone can just watch sub, there are people who just don't have the ability to be able to read the subtitles and whatever is happening on the screen at the same time. Dyslexia can also make it really hard to read the subs and the people that have that can't change that and so they are stuck watching the dub versions... it really sucks for them. edit a couple mistakes i saw

[@zimzamzoom69]

@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 I see what you mean, but I'm referring to subs here since I don't frequent the dub world. But official subs do sometimes tend to "dumb down" the true meaning of what its said. It gets the point across, but does miss certain nuances 50% of the time. Fansubs are more reliable as they're generally done by fans of the original work and they pour their heart into translating not only the dialogue, but also on screen text.

[@mena10ss]

I still miss One Piece fansubs. So much more accurate than official subs and they used to stylize certain text too. Great experience.

[@Melizande]

8:50 for arguments sake, if the alternative was no one licensed the property and simply never dubbed it if the alternative was potentially perpetuating harmful messaging, would that be a fine solution? Just curious, because there's definitely a world in which studios could look at properties like that and say "nah, we're not doing that one"

[@The_Kiosk]

What I want to know is how Vic is ordered to pay court costs to a company that is now defunct.

[@chexmixkitty]

well, the payments go to the court and you know the government wants their money and they'll get it regardless.

[@Kaiyuni]

I assume the IP/rights for the original material is owned by someone somewhere and that's where the money goes.

[@The_Kiosk]

@@Kaiyuni except Vic was ordered to pay court costs to Funimation, not Shuesha.

[@The_Kiosk]

@@Kaiyuni and specifically, it was a defamation suit against Funimation employees.

[@archmagemc3561]

It depends who owns the funimation stocks, thats who he'd pay them to. If those stocks got converted into another company's stocks, the'd pay the new company. If they totally vanish.... then he wont need to pay anything if it was to funimation directly, but then there would be much bigger issues since some people's stocks just disappeared into the aether.

[@thephilosopher7173]

Let’s just say that if this trend continued, Goku and Vegeta would be doing more than just a dance to fuse.

[@MrOrmanley]

There's two actors Mario Girotti (italian/german) and Carlo Pedersoli (italian), known under the acting names of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer. They did a lot of italo western and other movies together. When their movies were then dubbed into german, the german localiser wrote the most ridiculously fun script for the german voice actors and their movies became absolute cult in german speaking countries. Making changes to the script as part of the translating does not have to be a bad thing. It depends on the original work AND the intentions/passion/sincerity of the localisers. The TH/BS movies were already slapstick comedy, so german localisers cranked that up to 11 and people loved it. They stayed true to the spirit of the OG work. What people have an issue with here is that the localisers have malicious and manipulative intent and disrespect towards both their audience and the author.

[@svenbernhagen6320]

I have a 22 movie box with the two and it is glorious 😍

[@StarAllKungfu]

Slap and Beans videogame as well. 😂

[@roberttractortaylor]

15:09 I always watch foreign media subtitled, the localizing is usually bad but I forgive it, you're dealing with honorifics that don't exist in western language. Plays on words always fall flat too because when it's translated the word play doesn't work any more and if a prop is involved then it's practically impossible to have the context still make sense. Dragon Ball Z has a couple big ones that make me cringe in English, like when one of the characters uses the wrong honorific to (I think chichi) and she makes a comment, and another where Goku misheard something about the driving test thinking it was a food and says he's hungry. Everything about the way Freeza speaks is lost in localizing, because he speaks with a very respectful dialect and it contradicts his ruthless personality, but that character trait is lost when localized.

[@Exxy6965]

So glad I watched Lovely Complex with subs, I don't even remember that there was something "bad" about it in the first place. I think I only watched a few dubs in general, including Ghost in the Shell and Vampire Hunter D. These people are crazy.

[@tobbcittobbcit8899]

i never watch dubs lol

[@beelzamon]

Watched it years ago was 👍

[@Danganraptor]

​@@tobbcittobbcit8899Some of them are good, even fantastic, like Stand Alone Complex and Edgerunners. Others, like DBZ, fundamentally don't understand the source material. And then there's the truly bad ones.

[@dendyraven8952]

​@@Danganraptorcyberpunk was rad, for non english speaker honestly as far i concerns this is the dub

[@Danganraptor]

@@dendyraven8952 It's certainly one of the best examples of a good dub, though it helps that Cyberpunk was originally an American product.

[@philvess6376]

Phobia is a fear of something. Disliking something is not phobia.

[@snakeinabox7220]

If the Creator or Publisher allows you to change it , then your allowed to change it . IF they dont , just god dam translate it . Ghost stories is among the single best dubs , but they were given the go ahead ,

[@JernJerningsten]

Don't worry guys Rocksteady offered them a job😂

[@JernJerningsten]

(This is sarcasm btw its not true)

[@easylemon2547]

So glad to see someone expressing an opinion on loli content without senseless accusations for once! Sure he misdirected the argument to underage characters (which if anything applies to all characters of many shows and not just some), but stating that he doesn’t like it and finds it weird and that it isn’t illegal however, is just such a rare gem statement nowadays You don’t even need to realize that fictional content/characters aren’t real and can’t hurt you, as long as that’s your standpoint

[@nathanperquin9910]

i think the problem a lot of anime fans have with the debate is because every single time an outsider comments on it they go straight for the pedo accusation, wich inherently implies they don't just like fictional drawings, but want to do it with the real thing. and i believe for a majority of loli content enjoyers that is not the case. but it's an easy strawman and accussation to make because it forces the person to defend something that is hard to explain due to levels of nuance no debate will allow for. besides most people making the accusation don't actually really care about the reality of the matter

[@easylemon2547]

@@nathanperquin9910 absolutely correct 👍🏻 I would like to say no lolicon deserves the pedo conversation, but then again the ratio is probably the same as for non-lolicon However sometimes I just like to counter these baseless accusations with my own baseless argument that the ratio is probably lower, on the sole reasoning, that loli content might work as replacement for illegal desires … now what? Play rock-paper-scissors to see who’s right?! Anyway sorry for being so invested in a topic, that doesn’t even matter to me. I just can’t stand when social media people get equally invested in fictional content, that they don’t even understand. And I don’t even own any social media account except for one in HoYoLAB (which might explain a lot), but still they should really stop creating problems where there are none

[@kooI-aiddealer]

Ig

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

@@unversedhero6028 It's the broad brush with an EXTREMELY serious accusation that pisses people off. Not to mention this accusation has almost no correlation to any real-life crimes which compounds this anger. People just want to be left alone. It's literally the same as saying "Oh you like GTA? Guess you're a murderer." Meanwhile, those that constantly harp on loli usually are found to have serious CP offenses occupying their drives.

[@HelipOfficial]

​​@@ahoyforsenchou7288that last part is always comical to see, specially the recent vaush (idunno his name nor do i care) mask off incident lol.

[@Miniishadow]

14:48 We got the Shadow Realm in Yu-Gi-Oh from localizers to cencor death.

[@Untolddead]

The biggest issue with all these wokalists is that they water down terms by calling every little thing every name. It's to the point where average people don't even consider the words bad any more. Does loli mean that adult woman who is short, or that scan of the adult model in game, or that 10,000 year old vampire who was turned as a kid, or an actual sexualized child? Some people can't even define woman. Words no longer have meanings.

[@26Blackshirt]

Why do people who HATE the source material keep getting hired to work on it?

[@storage9578]

Look at any game conference - they always need translators. So they are easily fooled because they dont understand english. Secondary they are getting now forced to hire non-japanese. Capcom got their internal documents leaked which showed this upon other issues getting forced upon them.

[@solewrecker]

My wife is Vietnamese, but lived in Japan for 8 years. This just wants me to 10x my Japanese learning so I don't have to rely on subs any longer. I have always thought 'What if these subs or even dub are not entirely correct"

[@Einygmar]

Asmon's position on loli stuff is understandable but at the same time kind of inconsistent. He says it's his personal subjective judgement but also that he'd prefer it being censored. It's totally reasonable to find it weird and dislike it but wishing for it to not exist because of your subjective feelings is irrational. You're free to not interact with something you dislike. It seems a lot of people in the west are still affected by a moral panic regarding certain topics.

[@pilotmanpaul]

He's an American. They view things differently from us Easterners. I always watch out for people who correlate non existent characters to real one. They usually have skeletons in the closet.

[@GabeSweetMan]

​@@pilotmanpaulOr in Asmon's case, a rat carcass.

[@littlebabyman8494]

Exactly, if you don’t want to frame you opinion as “this should be a change” then don’t call for a change.

[@t0q14s9]

I feel like you are kinda missing the point. Wishing for something To be different is fine and almost unavoidable In just about any context but the problem is when you start pushing your own preferences on others. Its like if you saw A blue car out on the street and decided To paint it Red because you prefer the color. Referring the color Red Or even Wishing all cars were Red is fine as long as you keep it To yourself.

[@littlebabyman8494]

*your my mistake

[@maineman5757]

Had no idea about this. I'm glad I watched Lovely Complex subbed. Never watching dubbed again.

[@MatadorTheGreat]

Not to sound like a weeb, but I've always thought that subs were superior than dubs, although some dubs are on par with subs e.g Cowboy Bepop, YuYu Hakusho.

[@darkcoin8168]

subs all the way never touch that dub shit (in my humble opinion)

[@Darkcranio]

@@MatadorTheGreat Congrats you do sound like a weeb. But then again I'm speaking with a Goku profile.

[@ju5tm398]

@@MatadorTheGreat And you know what those dubs have in common? both are old classics. shows from the 90s and early 2000s had some of the best dubs. Wouldnt ever recommend the dubs of today

[@KayonLeague]

imagine working at mcdonalds and changing the ingredients of the food because you disagree or dislike the product bruh these people are delulu

[@oompalumpus699]

"I hate burgers so I'll work in a place that makes burgers."