Wokeness Has Gone Too Far | CHANGE MY MIND

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Date: 17 Oct, 2022
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[@destiny]

Thanks to the students and Bridge Texas USA for helping set this up! Watch all 'Has Wokeism Gone Too Far' debates ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJbGdmqhpZ5laac

[@shahriarrahman9907]

Looks like youre going to post the highlight reel of selected talks instead of the full thing. That's fine but it would be nice if you unprivated the vod for those that want to catch all the convos

[@mafty_x]

@@shahriarrahman9907 NO

[@rocklee4024]

@@shahriarrahman9907 did you not click the link in the comment you’re responding to?

[@joeysaturday3420]

This Low IQ SoyFest should have been who can say "Like" "Like" "Like" more.

[@vancodling4223]

I was at Evergreen for my first quarter winter 2017 - saw it all firsthand. It wasn't just social pressure, my class docked credit if you didn't go. It was just a cringe workshop, but still... happy to spill some more detailed firsthand info for clarity over voice at your discretion sometime. All in all it was way more lame and cringe than the rightoids tried to claim, and way more awful and problematic than the leftoids are prepared to admit.

[@mitrioneworld]

Wokeism went too far when Destiny stopped being a woman’s name.

[@Zerophimable]

Don’t worry. It still is.

[@nnamdiphilip3011]

Wokeism hasn't gone too far, it still needs to go so far as to call Biological woman fake and Trans women real women.

[@retroblue69696]

i was about to say that

[@davidokinsky114]

Destiny is not a common woman's name. It's a stripper's name.

[@istanformarzipan]

Praise be upon her

[@ovichggat]

the first girl criticizing the professor and essentially framing him as a racist for wanting to have a discussion of race through the lens of his scientific field and not through a lens of social justice is peak wokeism

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

bUt ShE's HoT tHoUgH

[@kaleb51]

she has a point, why is he bringing evolutionary race biology into something that was planned to address societal problems. Especially at that time.

[@lancevance6346]

@@kaleb51 He could literally be talking against it and debunking it. How do you and her know what he was gonna talk about?

[@chembabe8264]

​@@kaleb51 how do you know that he wasnt going to speak about the bad effects or the misconstrued "science" of the past and compare it to what we know now. You realize we can have these convos and not be racist. We can have these convos that discuss why past understandings are wrong. Why is that a crazy thing to think?

[@toddpacker4683]

@@kaleb51 he debunks race realism

[@karljjr]

I'm a 53-year-old Black male professional who that came from a single parent low-income family who struggled to get where I'm at and for the life I can't figure out how these kids somehow became an authority on who gets to speak, for the people.

[@quinlanz92]

I think it comes from an attempt at moral superiority without a principled guiding moral compass. More plainly stated, Christianity in its teachings is tolerant and that absence of pressure allows for people without an agreed upon moral baseline to create and morph their baseline and use their standards for morality as a bludgeoning tool.

[@karljjr]

@@quinlanz92 They could learn a lot if they had ears to hear and eyes to see. King James Version 5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience

[@user-cr8tf9pw7q]

Agree!!! Well said, Seems to me that they know everything. They’ll get about 45 to 50 and they’ll look back at how much they know.

[@The0nionKnight]

@@quinlanz92 Christianity in its teachings is tolerant. No its not.

[@darrinadams8639]

@@quinlanz92 Christianity is not tolerant. Numbers 31:17-18. Read the bible. "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." You are magically getting your morals from somewhere else than what is found in the "good/bad" book.

[@brad1928]

The fact that all of these students fail to see the value in free-speech is absolutely astonishing. It isn’t just about their right to speak their thoughts, it’s also about your right to be able to hear those thoughts! You’re basically asking to have society censored because you’re too weak minded to reason through bad ideas. These conversations just depress me. They make me concerned for our future.. anyone who doesn’t support freedom of speech isn’t a freaking liberal, they align with fascism

[@tymaxi]

All these students saying “the other side shouldn’t be allowed to talk” and then arguing wokeism hasn’t gone to far is HILARIOUS

[@SoulCrapper]

Yeah all destiny had to do was put them in front of a camera and the question answers itself.

[@NdxtremePro]

No, it isn't hilarious, it's frightening.

[@shaggytheshaman]

Except that they LITERALLY said that these people should be allowed to talk, but that doesn't mean they're not allowed to criticize the things they say. It's kinda silly that the only way you can disagree with these people is by pretending they've said something when they literally said the exact opposite of that thing. They aren't saying that people aren't allowed to say certain things, they're saying that they disagree with the things those people are saying. Disagreeing with and criticizing somebody isn't the same thing as saying they "shouldn't be allowed to talk." Destiny disagrees with and criticizes people all the time -- does this mean that Destiny has also gone too far? If you actually paid attention to the video, you'd see these people affirming repeatedly that they DO think these people should be allowed to talk, but that there are generally social repurcussions as well as ideological responses when you say things that people disagree with.

[@NdxtremePro]

@@shaggytheshaman And Destiny is saying those repercussions should not be the loss of job or their silencing in the college setting.

[@tomyao7884]

@@shaggytheshaman When free speech has "repercussions" as you so put it, depending on what those "repercussions" are, I would argue that the speech at some point ceases to be free. In an authoritarian dictatorship, say in stalin or hitler's countries in WW2, people had the freedom to say whatever they wanted. The "repercussion" in that case was imprisonment or death. That I think you would agree is not free speech. If the "repercussion" to speech is less severe, say the loss of your job and being socially excluded, I would still hesistate to characterise that speech as free. The 1st amendment of the US constitution only promises lack of legal prosecution for free speech in a public space. But a college campus should be a place that includes a diversity of ideas and should not be deplatforming, persecuting, and firing individuals who have a different viewpoint from the majority. Of course, companies have the legal freedom to fire people based on most reasons, but to use this power to exclude people with a rhetoric you don't agree with is counter to the ideals of what a college should be. My point, and I think the points of most people here, is not that people should not disagree with unpopular opinions, but that people with unpopular opinions should not have their livelihoods taken away or be deplatformed in a university setting. Whatever the law says you are technically allowed to do, if your reaction to a dissenting opinions is the destroy their livelihood, I don't think that is promoting free speech.

[@Henry-kz4gn]

"give me an example of wokeness gone amock" few moments later "murdering people for having wrong ideas aint a bad thing"

[@highroller-jq3ix]

And I can give you countless counter-examples from wingnut fundie fascists. And . . . ?

[@MynaaMiesnowan]

Jesus. This is why progressives always doom themselves. They’re too ignorant, stupid, selfish and short sighted to see anything but their own neuroticism projected into everyone. You can’t even consider information, without saying, “but other people are to blame.” Or, the child’s equivalence of saying “I know you are but what am I.”

[@highroller-jq3ix]

@@MynaaMiesnowan What a ridiculous, childish generalization, based upon vapid assumed binaries, false equivalencies, coloring book cognition, and a general deficiency in critical thinking. This is why conservative ideology overwhelmingly attracts the least educated, the least intellectually curious, the most ideologically moldable, and the most irrationally religious.

[@ExplosiveBolts]

Wokism is just fascism under a different name.

[@highroller-jq3ix]

@@ExplosiveBolts Anti-"wokism" is just fascism projecting.

[@fvb7]

As an Asian American I have never experienced more racism than from progressives telling me I should think, do, believe, feel and be whatever it is they think a minority should be like. Firm but not far conservative here absolutely elated to see an olive branch being extended by someone I thought I would never support in any way. The students on the other hand. I don't see much has improved since I left college.

[@Spanluver]

Hell yeah brother. I’m Korean and white. It’s called a box and they want you in it so they can use it to be racist and prejudice with stereotypes. Cue the small penis, rich, play classical instruments, insanely tough parents with 4 hr of math study per day tropes. Steven he kind of broke through that and used comedy to laugh at it so I appreciate that. I never went through that so welp I’m not Asian. Guess I didn’t get the memo or my evil white side took over my body and sent my Asian genes to the shadow realm! /s

[@tengu8560]

For an Asian you truly aren’t smart don’t you?? 😂😂 let’s give you a little bit of real racism so you get checked backed into reality

[@woventheweird]

This is why we need more strong black, asian, latino conservative voices. It's far too easy for a heterosexual white male just to be put in the "oppressor" category. If you can be labeled racist/sexist/transphobic etc then it's easier to just dismiss/deplatform and not contend with your ideas at all. Meanwhile I'm over here like, "I don't hate anyone, I'm just poor as fuck and want lower taxes."

[@MAD2CANS]

Im mixed white and black and the amount of mollycoddling is insane. Apparently its impossible for the black half of me to be a bad guy, he's just oppressed. Which apparently justifies every shitty action I might make. But the white side of me? Fuck that guy he's just a bad man.

[@HatredInTheFlesh]

Lmao you live a sheltered life. Try talking to some real right-wingers on cod or 4chan. They’ll break the world record of Asian slurs on you in a heartbeat. It’s hilarious to think that libs are racist for giving you special treatment, which I don’t entirely agree with either as a post-racial libertarian.

[@BigBen2018]

Brett Weinstein “goes to every podcast to talk about it even though it happened forever ago”? Woman! He was forced to quit his job after getting tenure, everything he worked for in life!

[@aclevername7613]

The fact a professor who taught for 20 or so yrs got fired after four students walked out after he taught sex is decided by chromosones............is a good example of wokeness gone to far.

[@sarahalderman3126]

Precisely. It is a master carpenter being fired because the kid with a summer apprenticeship decided he knows better because he made a popsicle house in second grade!🤣

[@natalievu4399]

Or the Hispanic guy losing his job because he sat in his car, having his arm out of the window, scratching his cuticles, while waiting for a BLM protest to pass by. He was accused of doing a White P* handsign. It was a 4chan hoax which was picked up by the media saying the👌(okay) was a secret WP handsign. So many people got in trouble for it. Soldiers, an ICE agent (who actually fights trafficking) etc... Edit: Destiny just mentioned it as well.

[@goose9515]

Well I mean it's more complicated than that, sex is determined by hormones, and the hormones you get are decided by your set of sex chromosomes. So for the vast majority yeah, but there's other things that affect sex too. I don't think the professor you are talking abt should've been fired, but maybe one of the students were trans and they were offended by how he was teaching sex in a rudimentary way, like if your old science teacher in middle school was saying how homosexuality is unnatural (a more accepted point at the time) and then some kids walked out of the class

[@firstnamelastname2197]

@@goose9515 sex, as a purely biological matter, IS decided by chromosomes. a female can never have a Y chromosome. with Swyer's syndrome, where males develop female parts, those parts are functionless--they cannot, by their nature, bear children or menstruate. it is a deformity. socially speaking, culturally, it may be problematic to describe such a person as a "male". because the secondary sex characteristics of the female are so strong in them, this will in their social reality likely cause them to have an authentic affinity with womanhood and space should be made for such people. but to state a blunt biological fact that chromosomes essentially define your sex is not problematic. the fact that XY chromosomes can cover those who appear male and those who outwardly appear female might actually be interpreted as inclusive--and consistent.

[@InfernoVor]

​@@goose9515it's not really the same or similar. The sex is decided by chromosomes might just be old curriculum and even if it isn't can't they ask questions for him to clarify instead of walking and getting him fired?

[@sasca854]

"Give me a specific example of this happening" *gives a specific example* "You can throw these anecdotes at me all day and that's all they will ever be"

[@gnomesarerealgnometruther6688]

This is the entire point of marxist infiltration of institutions. Hide your bad arguments behind argumentum ad verecundiam. Except we have seized control of all positions of authority. There is no point in debating or arguing these people. They want you dead and your kids r_ped, prepare to handle them accordingly.

[@junimeme5626]

Did you expect any better? Literal brain rot

[@Continuum7]

Its always the "No! not that one!" with people like that when they ask for a specific example of whatever you may be debating them about.

[@Gopherzooka]

@@Continuum7 thats why I tend to not give them examples, I tell them I'm not google

[@garrettclayton4741]

I really dunno what she was even supposed to mean with that sentence. I wonder if she actually knows what anecdotes are.

[@-0ZZIE7-]

I know destiny will probably never see this, but even as a conservative, I truly truly respect the way he conducts himself and tries to make conversation with people. Video after video he continues to show an insurmountable level of respect to people who he disagrees with. Just gained a fan, & sub.

[@davestuddaman8127]

Really?? He was ridiculously arrogant. He's been seriously humbled recently. The change in his demeanor is very apparent

[@michael2713]

@@davestuddaman8127 lol who humbled him recently?

[@bladeofwar]

@@michael2713 Shapiro, arguably. I actually think they both humbled each other in that debate. As a conservative also, Destiny gained a sub and follow from me after the debate with Shapiro.

[@michael2713]

@@bladeofwar that shapiro convo had a real lack of humbling on both sides, sure they disagreed but didn't delve into substance, once they understood eachother's position they just moved on quickly I don't want bloodsports but could've been a little more combative imo

[@bladeofwar]

@@michael2713 Watched it again, yes you do have a good point of them not delving too far. Albeit I still enjoyed the back and forth.

[@ipmk6313]

The thing I noticed in terms of differences between the left and the right is like Destiny said, the right is far more often way more open to dialogue. Even if that is simply for the purpose of trying to prove their point or sway someone. But when you look at the left they really do tend to have the "we cant/wont talk about this/to these people". They seem to paint conservatives as lost causes and dont even welcome discourse and differing opinions in hopes of changing someones mind or winning someone over. Almost like unless you agree you are simply below a dialogue because youre just beyond "saving". Thats why wokeism has gone to far, you have a whole group of people in this country that hold themselves as such a moral superior that they think what they believe and think is above discussing or thinking about, and those who disagree are legitimately dangerous. In terms of policy there isnt much yet, but the social aspect has an effect on policy eventually. Thats how it works. How many times did our parents tell us to do or not do something and when asked why all we got was "because I said so". How much rebellion and resentment did that cause and how many of us grew up with the desire to be different and to explain our thought processes to our kids so they would understand and not hide behind the power and superiority of "well Im the parent". Sometimes you should justify yourself as a means to bring understanding.

[@DruidEnjoyer]

To me it seems like the right wing sees their own beliefs primarily as logically correct, while the left sees their own beliefs as morally correct. This doesn't mean that rightwingers are automatically logical or leftwingers moral, but the right being open to debates means that they believe that if they make a convincing enough argument, people will change their minds. While among the left it is more common to assume the disagreements to stem from the moral failings of the opposition, so convincing them with arguments seem pointless to them, as there is fundamentally something wrong with those who disagree. Like trying to explain to a serial killer that murder is bad.

[@ipmk6313]

@@DruidEnjoyer I can definitely see that. And I do agree that neither is guaranteed to be the very thing they see themselves as. And I do think that rightwingers should not look for dialogue for the sole reason of changing minds, but be willing to change their mind or simply have to discussion for discussions sake. But I will take any willingness to hear each other out over turning noses up and acting like the opposition is below saving or not worth engaging with. All that does is foster more hatred and build more walls. Rightwingers thinking the left isn’t logical and can potentially be reasoned with is a far healthier starting point than the left just labeling conservatives as immoral monsters. I at least see a lot of wanting to meet somewhere in the middle on the right, not so much on the left.

[@JohnMichaelBurns]

This girl is very skilled at pretending to be a reasonable person who can acknowledge a valid point.

[@sterger7]

Umm..no she's not..she's the worst kind of intolerant bigot i've ever seen. He could barely open his mouth without her opening hers to interupt, insult, belittle and just say generally idiotic things.

[@Tokengesture]

Also pretending to be clever

[@-karter-4556]

@@Tokengesture she is clever

[@-karter-4556]

This is literally destiny's personality at its core, can't get mad at the girl for doing it too....

[@chachicullopapi]

​@@-karter-4556 two major flaws with this girl. She wasn't debating. She has no intention of changing her mind, and that's Inherently the problem with debates nowadays, which leads to the intense passive aggressive vibe. No matter how non yelly and non violent this conversation was. It was by no means civil discourse, which is what a debate should be.

[@henrikrothen5640]

The audacity to claim that a Uni professor that got bullied, wrongfully terminated and treated with utmost disrespect actually didn´t suffer from it is mindblowing.

[@martenscs]

Typical Leftist...her argument "Look at all the money he has made off of it!". At the core of every "Progressive" is a hateful person who is full of envy. "Socialists don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich." - G. Orwell

[@jayce4901]

the point was that his life is better and that's true -- he was a nobody professor before. the college payed out half a million to him and his wife and now he's a whole media personality just raking money in from touring and selling books.

[@henrikrothen5640]

@@jayce4901 Good to know. I though one ought to ask HIM if this has improved his life. But I guess you are the arbitrator of how he is feeling about it. He has witnessed to the opposite in multiple interviews, but you do what you need to, to justify illegal bullying in the name of the "message".

[@joeyshirey9232]

So because Bret Weinstein managed to turn that horrible situation into a successful situation means it's ok that he was bullied? What a bizarre place we are in these days. It's now ok to bully people in the name of social justice because they might be able to turn a bad situation into a better one. Bret doesnt try to shoehorn his story into every interview or discussion he does, its the people interviewing him that usually bring it up because it was such a terrible they did to him.

[@DadeMurphie]

@@jayce4901 the point was to deceive

[@philstaab7420]

Im a very conservative/libertarian straight white male and i never thought id ever agree with destiny on much. But im very happy to see him try and bridge the gap and call out the bs. We dont have to agree on everything and it pleases me to no end that he is showing people on the left that its possible for us to have civil discussions and coexist peacefully.

[@michaellong2439]

destiny is one of the few political commentators ive seen who actually has their own opinions. most on *both* sides, when you watch their show or KZbin channel or whatever, it isnt their opinions, you can expect to just see whatever opinion their side agrees with whether that be the republican viewpoint or the democratic viewpoint. destiny actually has destiny viewpoints regardless of if you agree with them or not

[@constellations8572]

Very pleased with this discussion. Thank you for putting this up!

[@duckman896]

First chick: give me an example Destiny gives example Chick: well that's just anecdotal

[@stevepalpatine2828]

That first woman was exactly the problem he was talking about. Prime example of a Dunning Kruger Ideologue. The problem with people like her is she believes she is intelligent when she is actually dumb and brainwashed, and the hardest minds to change are the stupid people who believe they are smart.

[@ebg3624]

She’s a 🤡

[@daleford8621]

Yeah, they like to shift the goalposts like that.

[@zerghunter7486]

Type of girl to leave you because you didn’t vote this year. 😂

[@redredred1]

Might as well have said, "Can you give me an anecdote?" Here's an anecdote. "Doesn't count; that's just an anecdote."

[@HazeMotes]

Bret never said he was going to give a lecture on "race realism" he said "a discussion of race through a scientific / evolutionary lens". Letting her frame it this way makes it seem like he was a white nationalist professor. Even if you hate Bret for his covid opinions, this is completely wrong and Destiny should have never conceded that.

[@acew2306]

I honestly can't fathom the lack of charitability on that woman's part, she legitimately insinuated that Brett would lecture IN SUPPORT of race realism. Yes, he built his life and career at one of the most liberal institutions in the United States, and it was all a big ruse. He really was just a Jewish Nazi or white supremacist the entire time. He probably was going to touch on race realism, but to think he wasn't going to focus on giving the audience the tools to dissect and debunk it is absurd. It's the same bad faith attitude that is responsible for the controversy.

[@FlyingElbow]

Destiny definitely made a mistake letting her misrepresent Bret's lecture. Kinda disappointing he believed Bret wanted to talk about race realism.

[@jordancarter9064]

@@acew2306 you have to admit it still seems a little odd given the circumstance. But we dont actually know how it would have happened now

[@memesneverdie3826]

It doesnt matter to them. They think saying theres any difference between population groups beyond skin color is "race realism" and automatically "white supremacy" (never mind the fact, on average east asians are more intelligent than europeans and certain african populations are more athletic than europeans so even if you bought wholly into "race realism," "white people" wouldnt be "supreme"). They're no different than creationists, they dont believe in evolution, dont believe in evolutionary pressures based on geography, available diet, anything. Actually, maybe talking to a creationist would be better. At least the creationist can account for differences and just say "Well God made it that way."

[@HazeMotes]

@@natediaz1863 It is relevant because it makes it look like there were legitimate reasons to bully Bret out of his job. Calling for a professor to resign because he wants to hold a lecture on why whites are superior is not the same as calling for them to resign because they didn't want certain students to be forced to stay home because of the color of their skin.

[@pml2979]

"Arguing with a genius is hard Arguing with an idiot is impossible”- Einstein

[@DragnBarZ]

to the first girl. woke decissions and pressure happens in the workplace, that is the backbone of peoples lives. how big of an example do you need.

[@yepyepyep863]

Anecdotes or isolated incidents mean nothing. She's literally agreeing with destiny that these were messed up situations. But that doesn't mean wokeness has gone too far. Wokeness isn't as big of a deal as you think it is. Most people aren't "woke" especially on the left. There's going to be people with extreme opinions and there's going to be shitty situations and incidents coming from that but that doesn't mean wokeism is this epidemic that needs to be stopped. But this is the narrative you're being brainwashed to believe so

[@jack-of-all-trades1234]

She said that she doesn't agree with drawing larger conclusions about the pervasiveness of wokeness based on anecdotes. But I wonder if she would agree that white supremacy is an epidemic in the US as many liberals seem to believe? What credible national survey would she offer as empirical data that demonstrates that a vast majority of white Americans identify as white supremacists? I've yet to see that particular Gallup poll come out. I presume because it doesn't exist.

[@sxztube]

Anyone that starts a conversation with “let’s not use our slave names” in today’s world is automatically a complete fool 🤦‍♂️

[@xaspirate8060]

Fraud.

[@jtzoltan]

Man that guy was an idiot 😂. All his examples he used to justify canceling people like "I h@te all xx people"; so many people are getting canceled for saying things that aren't anywhere nearly as bad as that, stuff that's neutral in fact. I like how he knows what people actually mean when they speak: it's all dogwhistling covering for hate, and he knows that for a fact.

[@jjmah7]

That first girl was impressive. She managed to somehow sit there talking for nearly 20 minutes without actually saying anything

[@ne0nmancer]

She interrupts Destiny to make a point, Destiny refutes her arguments, then she proceeds to deny that those were her arguments for 20 minutes, it's like purgatory...

[@spacemanchriss]

​@@ne0nmancer purgatory, that's the best way to describe listening to her

[@Dagune]

Seriously

[@-karter-4556]

She was really engaged in the conversion, more than you would've been

[@gozutheDJ]

destiny is making the claim not her

[@liberatethruexposure]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 An *evolutionary biologist faced backlash for discussing evolutionary biology in relation to race, raising questions about the limits of free speech on campus.* 01:10 The *conversation revolves around whether "wokeness" has gone too far, with concerns about ideological orthodoxy stifling open debate.* 01:38 Progressives *are criticized for using the Paradox of Tolerance to suppress dissenting opinions, potentially limiting discourse and democracy.* 02:34 An *example is cited with Brett Weinstein facing backlash at Evergreen College for expressing disagreement with a proposed event excluding white people.* 04:58 Disagreement *arises over whether Brett Weinstein's offer to discuss "Race realism" was appropriate or if it went too far.* 07:20 The *discussion delves into the balance between free speech and sensitivity in academic environments.* 11:08 Anecdotes *are presented, like a study on puberty blockers, raising concerns about selective promotion of scientific literature to fit social agendas.* 12:06 The *debate extends to whether wokeness has translated into meaningful policies, with skepticism about its impact at the legislative level.* 13:19 A *discussion about the ideological imbalance in academia and potential suppression of diverse perspectives on college campuses.* 15:10 Concerns *are raised about the enforcement of ideological conformity on college campuses, limiting the diversity of thought and stifling uncomfortable discussions.* 15:53 The *discussion revolves around the challenges of refusing to platform certain ideas, citing Kamala Harris's call to ban Trump from Twitter in 2019.* 16:07 The *conversation shifts to the ideological changes in figures like Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and the broader trend of cancel culture.* 16:48 The *difficulty of quantifying "wokeness" and the lack of empirical evidence for societal trends are discussed.* 17:15 An *argument is made that there is a growing number of complaints about non-conformity with progressive orthodoxy in academic settings.* 18:12 Tools *like appeals, HR, and the legal system are seen as available avenues to address cancel culture incidents.* 20:34 The *debate touches on the influence of social media, with a claim that it increasingly represents the views of the average American.* 21:45 Disagreement *arises over whether social media accurately reflects the opinions of average Americans.* 23:14 The *conversation suggests introducing antitrust measures as a potential solution to address perceived issues with wokeness and cancel culture.* 25:07 The *conversation takes a turn towards cultural influence, with a focus on the role of social pressure rather than government intervention.* 25:39 The *discussion delves into perspectives on cancel culture and the distinction between legitimate criticism and stifling free speech.* 26:22 The *interviewee expresses concerns about the spread of hateful ideologies and supports silencing those who engage in such rhetoric.* 27:45 The *speaker argues that canceling individuals who spread divisive views is justified, especially if they're not open to constructive dialogue.* 31:58 The *conversation explores the dynamics of online spaces and how the willingness to engage in dialogue affects ideological influence.* 32:54 Observations *on the differences between men and women can lead to conservative views, but progressives also vary on this issue, especially in the context of transgender discussions.* 33:23 Progressive *arguments sometimes involve nuanced perspectives, such as considering the effects of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) on gender identity. However, such discussions often involve a minority of the population (less than one percent).* 33:49 Conservatives *may choose lightning rod issues, while progressives might struggle by defending extreme positions, contributing to a cycle of anger and misunderstanding.* 34:18 Progressives *express justifiable anger, arguing that historical conservative rhetoric has fueled their reactions. However, the challenge is to engage in productive dialogue rather than resorting to extreme positions.* 35:00 Responding *to hate with hate is counterproductive; a more effective approach involves engaging with ideas and avoiding extreme reactions that may alienate public support.* 35:28 While *expressing anger may be justified in some instances, it is essential to find a balance and not escalate conflicts further.* 36:09 The *conversation shifts to the effectiveness of progressive movements. Despite agreement on many progressive policies, concerns arise about a potential snapback due to an unwillingness to engage with opposing views.* 37:34 Progressive *movements historically face conservative criticism, but the suggestion is to focus more on discussing the issues rather than asking movements to "chill out."* 38:44 The *conversation turns to the role of colleges in facilitating challenging conversations. While challenges are essential, the concern is that without effective responses, ideas can spread unchecked.* 39:55 The *importance of unequivocally disavowing violence in movements like BLM is highlighted, as defending such actions can be detrimental to the overall message.* 41:33 The *discussion extends to the power of ideas, emphasizing the need to confront and challenge them rather than opting for censorship.* 47:14 The *conversation debates whether giving a platform to certain ideas, even controversial ones, allows for democratic discourse or poses risks that need addressing.* 49:19 Trust *in the democratic process is at risk without engaging citizens in informed conversations about voting decisions.* 49:47 While *acknowledging some unjust cancellations, the speaker sees significant progress in social issues due to the woke movement, citing advancements like the acceptance of gay marriage.* 50:26 The *debate revolves around whether wokeness has gone too far, with one side arguing for substantial progress in a short time and the other expressing concerns about rigid social enforcement.* 51:36 The *discussion delves into the ethical and practical aspects of de-platforming individuals like Andrew Tate, questioning the effectiveness and potential shortcomings of such actions.* 53:31 A *comparison is drawn between conservative and progressive approaches to societal issues, emphasizing the need for nuanced perspectives rather than one-dimensional solutions.* 54:54 The *focus shifts to the mechanisms of social media and the potential for another figure like Andrew Tate to emerge if underlying issues are not addressed, pointing to the role of platforms in amplifying certain ideas.* 56:49 Concerns *are raised about the rapid growth and dissemination of certain ideologies, highlighting the importance of addressing the volume and presence of these ideas, especially among younger demographics.* 58:41 The *conversation explores the troubling nature of banning individuals based on interpretations of progressive orthodoxy, pointing out the lack of transparency in decision-making by social media platforms.* Made with HARPA AI

[@cameranat1999]

This is sick

[@yobootyhadmeded3022]

this is really what you took away from this😂😂😂

[@rRekko]

@@yobootyhadmeded3022 "Made with HARPA AI" it's what the AI could recognize and pinpoint. Not good at reading are you?

[@zachjohnson7654]

Well I am taken aback. This video showed up in my KZbin feed and I thought, what the hell? I can't believe I am siding with and applauding Destiny. Kudos to you for this experiment.

[@Pippu]

That guy justifying murdering people who don't have the right opinions is really disgusting. He did a great job in validating your argument in a way I didn't think was possible.

[@quincyforbes1204]

How is that any different from a particular group wanting to murder people with lifestyles or attributes that they disagree with?

[@tophatcat1173]

People who advocate genocide* If you have to twist someone's words to make a point, maybe you don't actually have one.

[@jazeenharal6013]

​@@tophatcat1173Oh I heard what he said very clearly and the actual connotations of it taken to its logical ends are terrifyingly unhinged. I'd love to hear his Twitter takes if that is what he is willing to say in public. That guy really told on himself the more he talked. He went from "It doesn't mean I'm going to cancel somebody" to "they could end up being the next Hitler so we should take care of it now with lethal force". Most charitable interpretation is that he was literally talking specifically about going back and killing Hitler. Really, really sounded like he was talking about anybody though... So some random guy on the street verbally announces he "advocates genocide", just pull out the old hand cannon and start blasting huh? The progressive way I suppose.

[@JackInABeanstalk98]

yeah people justt dislike the analogy appkying to them@@tophatcat1173

[@slyz1758]

@@tophatcat1173Respectfully I disagree because he didn’t say that Hitler was explicitly advocating for genocide or even suggesting so, but only that he said Jewish people are bad or that he doesn’t like Jewish people.

[@mariapiccioni5974]

The multiple "Yeaah we know" of the first girl were painfully condescending and showed how inherently superior she considered herself to be. It really diminished her credibility as a debater

[@martinmcgrath5804]

She is a ‘modern’ woman. 😂

[@zr1129]

We all know Destiny is never condescending.

[@kanavkohli794]

Yeah i found her immediately to be one of those low IQ people who pretend to be high IQ

[@Dallas867]

She was definitely only saying that because shes a fan of destiny

[@lrspet01]

That is the default mindset of wokeism. I know what is best for everyone. It is a complex that leads to their fascistic tendencies.

[@dylanunruh4942]

First woman constantly wanted citations and evidence but literally used her imagination as a source that Brett wanted to give a racist lecture. Woke and hypocrisy should be listed as synonyms

[@anandaalvarez4336]

This was so dope!

[@carltwelve2170]

I like how she decided for Bret that his life is “better” as a pod caster vs what he and his wife dedicated their lives to do. Teaching young people at Evergreen.

[@TwoBs]

Is it any surprise with the amount of smugness just oozing from her as soon as she spoke? She’s got it all figured out, so obviously she knows what’s best for the guy. Just from some of her expressions, she acted like it pained her to just hear his argument. Then again, she wasn’t willing to hear another side. That was never her intention. People like that engaging in these things walk into it with the sole intent of getting a “hah gotcha” and trying to pull the other person to _their_ side - never the other way around. They don’t understand that these types of conversations are meant to have *both* sides come to the table with an open mind to have an honest conversation where either side could walk away with different views. It’s not a debate, just two people conversing. She sat down with a wall up, ready to be defensive with no will to genuinely engage with someone that thinks differently or even believe that she could potentially be wrong. It’s kind of sad, really, because she’s not a dumb person. She’s just very disingenuous.

[@michaelturley3457]

@@TwoBsprobably won’t be a popular sentiment in this comment section but this is how about 90% of liberals under 40 behave. They’re so convinced of their moral superiority to anyone disagreeing with them that they won’t genuinely engage with anybody that disagrees. Logic or arguments don’t matter because they know if you disagree it’s coming from a place of hate and the hate in your heart that they’ve projected onto you is all that is truly relevant to them.

[@markototev]

Wokeists quantify everything in money. Hate the rich, you nkow

[@kanavkohli794]

Yeah she was pretty dumb

[@SonoftheWest316]

Brett had gangs of students looking to beat him up armed with weapons. The students told him to leave because he was white... fuck that shit.@@TwoBs

[@newona4313]

The first girl is a perfect example of people who think they are smarter than everyone but they can’t even engage in simple debates or back up their arguments

[@Kunigunda897]

Education isn't the same as intelligence, but some people have a huge ego that when they know more about something they think they can talk about everything else.

[@themadmattster9647]

I’ve seen worse but it seems like she was arguing for the sake of arguing

[@Urfavoritefascist]

You seem woke

[@4spbiz]

She actually did engage and she was very good at it but unfortunately she's a true believer in the cult. And very well indoctrinated.

[@daremo12]

@@Kunigunda897she was obviously intelligent. Deluded, but intelligent.

[@dannyjames7911]

im actually starting to become a fann, good stuff man

[@aleaaa2012]

Me too and I just thought I was conservative

[@theanellsores5231]

My first time watching anything Destiny. This is how you communicate ideas. Challenging these points of view from your own side is very interesting. Censoring is not the way.

[@dan438]

First debater: Asks for anekdotes of Wokeness having gone to far Also first debater: Procedes to criticise Destiny for throwing anecdotes at her.

[@jimmythegem6582]

That's a weird looking kitchen.

[@MrBebe027]

@@jimmythegem6582 the sandwiches from that kitchen are abysmal. 1/10 recommend

[@Nnubbs]

She was the worst one to listen to.

[@arbe3275]

@@Nnubbs cause she was right most of the time hey?

[@Nnubbs]

@@arbe3275 No, no she wasn’t lol. She contradicted herself multiple times lol

[@Lhomme_de_lait]

The first girl is well-spoken, but some confuse good public speaking with good ideas. Also, Destiny makes a good point about whether we as a society should want people like Bret Weinstein to talk about topics as controversial as race over those like Nick Fuentes. The girl doesn't attack the idea but rather lazily dismisses it: "That's a low bar." Sure lady, but his point stands that by alienating and segregating sane and articulate individuals from the cultural debate, we elevate those most radical and dogmatic. This is why the left has become so radical and orthodox, and why the right is now responding likewise. Props to Destiny, one of the few reasonable progressives left. It's unfortunate that people focus more on public speaking rather than the core ideas of the argument. The best essay is the most concise.

[@johnathan6489]

also, people like Nick Fuentes are the ones who are talking about race issues. So the fact that it is a low bar helps Destiny. She should want to raise the bar by letting actual biologists talk about it.

[@Lhomme_de_lait]

@@johnathan6489 good point

[@Pharomid]

agreed, she's clearly got experience with a debate team or whatever judging by the terms she uses, but her arguments were bad. She asked for examples, but then dismissed it as an anecdote after agreeing with Destiny on the example showing wokeness going too far. I guess Destiny didn't catch that.

[@Mythaelos]

She will make a decent politician.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@Pharomid Might have caught it, might not have. Seems like (to me) he chose to let a lot go in order to keep the convo going/civil

[@zachjohnson7654]

Second comment on this video... 👏👏👏Well done Destiny. You did a great job of articulating the argument for open discussion. So many that you talked to are more of thought that "the end justifies the means". That's a dangerous place to be.

[@castellum40]

Part 2 please

[@victorvinnyvalfierno]

The first student had it all figured out until she got the slightest push back and her entire argument fell apart spectacularly.

[@bishop8550]

She kept saying "no he can talk about race I just think it's interesting to explore the implications of him bringing that up at that moment" but that's so disingenuous bc they weren't "exploring the idea", they were screaming and protesting outside of his classroom and calling for him to be fired 😂

[@bobtony6036]

it's almost like she has only ever talked to guys that wanted to fuck her LOL

[@mike02454]

I love when she uses the term "nuance". She's basically saying it's complicated and I get it but you don't.

[@Burgle_Turds]

They know each other.

[@emma-on8hh]

But I liked her points more then his

[@scottw9267]

2nd student was so ridiculously unaware of how he was proving/demonstrating destiny's position

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

The first girl also... Leftists want to justify cancelling... Waouw what a shock

[@Lauraraksin77]

Yeah. He was painful to listen to. I hope he views this video and attempts to learn something.

[@brianmilo7662]

He will cringe later. Lol. What a stupid kid.

[@Baccanaso]

​@@Lauraraksin77highly doubt it

[@gregtufaro8166]

2nd guy looked like he was afraid of his own shadow

[@JerryDreadlocks]

Thank you for doing this Destiny

[@TangoCharlieWhiskey96]

Do more of these please

[@rustyfoot6246]

The first woman was pretty well spoken.. i heard her name is destiny

[@MoreMonarchy]

yeah she's a gay black stripper I think

[@Lore_from_Stars]

kudos to catching me off guard amongst a sea of "girl's name" jokes

[@istanformarzipan]

dammit you guys keep getting me!

[@grizzlyadamblack]

2nd woman

[@LilNewo]

Aaaamazin

[@rossmanngroup]

Aye yay yay, my new store is right across the street from this mess. FML! 9:58 she asked for an example, got an example, then said she needs data not anecdotes. What the f...... 11:37 2020. 13:36 destiny did good there. 18:27 she used an anecdote after going on a rant about how we need to be using big data and citations when discussing cultural issues 24:50 most depressing part of this entire thing. If you're not getting laws passed, then what you're doing is pointless? This is so childish and naive. Would a company like framework even be able to sell a computer when the specs are lower and the price is higher than competing brands, if people were not made culturally aware of why right to repair is important over the past 10 years? Further, does she not understand that law is downstream from culture? You do not have to get a law passed to have an impact. People behave not just based on what is written in a law book, but from what is in their own mind and ingrained into their culture. If you want to make a difference, you don't start with a law. You start with people's minds, and the culture. She makes the idea of cultural change in a positive direction sound pointless while simultaneously managing to be as condescending as possible about the fact that he discusses these issues on KZbin as if this is a win. I hope this woman never embarks on a journey to change the world with that attitude.

[@jamesespinosa690]

Hey Louis!! Great to here that you got out of NYC!! Great to see you commenting here too! Wishing you, and your employee's the best in Texas!!!

[@driftxp4]

Geez, that was a little intense. People can change their viewpoints on things, and I think saying someone is doomed to fail in the future is a but over the top.

[@rossmanngroup]

@@driftxp4 as long as somebody genuinely believes that there is no point to any cultural change or influence if they are not able to get a law passed, they're putting the cart before the horse. I don't think she actually believes that though. I think she wanted to get a cheap one up on destiny, while condescending him for being a youtuber. Which is already in poor taste, because he was saying that as a self-deprecating peace offering in the conversation. Anytime you are being overly self-deprecating and somebody actually fully agrees with you, they're being an asshole I don't think she believes what she said. However, if she actually does believe that, she's screwed

[@driftxp4]

Especially since they are in the learning and growth period in college.

[@chigwom7894]

Yes she’s a complete fool, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was kicked out of the college after this interview gets more attention

[@Funkbobble]

Student 3 is BY FAR the most dangerous of those spoken to. Ends justify the means, ban opposing voices if they are deemed too dangerous by the majority. His train of thought leads directly to totalitarianism and he doesn’t see it. He admitted that he had lost faith in people to learn and change. I hope as he ages and grows wiser he moves on from that contempt.

[@PhilMio]

I completely agree with you. Trump’s reemergence is proof of this. Deplatforming and silencing people has never and will never erase their ideas from society. The most effective ways to change people’s minds in my opinion is educating yourself, strengthening your arguments, and having civil discourse. And always be open to new ideas.

[@hughjazz2408]

@@PhilMioI think the CCP would disagree with you lol

[@PhilMio]

@@hughjazz2408 i’m talking about in a free democratic society. Also if the ccp really successful completely removed the idea of their opposition, how do you explain the hong kong riots and protests?

[@hughjazz2408]

@@PhilMio well the ccp doesn’t control Hong Kong. It’s a different country with their own government. Mainland China is your example

[@user-nj9ru4ef2w]

@@hughjazz2408 everyone who brings up the CCP has no understanding of China, Chinese history, Chinese culture etc at all and just spew the propaganda they were brainwashed to believe in.

[@RoboMiller570]

Loved this

[@NeoN-PeoN]

When she wants YOU to do exactly as she says, it's "just listen to us because we're morally superior". When Destiny shows her problems with her "morally superior behavior" it's "show me the data about how my religion has harmed others".

[@VolzYT]

🎯 she’s a narcissist

[@muff10000]

@@VolzYT Probably. There are some signals for that personality.

[@jrod3868]

The first girl.. her tone and self-righteousness demeanour is what’s wrong. Right away she is trying to frame her argument without really listening. The girl believes she is going to educate someone as if talking to a toddler. People like her are not worth having a discussion since they make an investment on the subject based on feelings. They have decided right away that they are right, regardless of any evidence. If all fails on their end.. then they point out that there is a ‘higher truth’. I have had plenty of discussions with the likes of her… then after all the snotty high morality postering, their true face shows when they go to insults and toddler behaviour. Cognitive dissonance is strong.

[@enyajungle]

The woman (while a little annoying) articulated her points well and I really enjoyed the back and forth. I think she should continue to host more events like this in the future.

[@nnkauaiajs6970]

Solid

[@Divison1GeneralDarui]

Got me there 😂

[@facundoorzabal8021]

While I agree that she did articulate well, I think she was a lot more than just a little annoying. She would not let him articulate anything without stopping him constantly.

[@shelleycline3542]

It's always a punch and a hug with you people. 😂

[@bibbedcracker121]

@@facundoorzabal8021 Him

[@solsist3989]

I’m conservative and a college student. I would talk to the first girl and wouldn’t talk to the second guy. College is extremely biased and poli sci as a field has turned into a progressive circle jerk. If I express different opinions, I am threatened, marked down grades, etc.

[@h3xl4]

Thanks!

[@dipdo7675]

She asked for “anecdotes” then complains when she gets anecdotes!! Strange but true She embodies wokeness!!

[@theConservationist]

Exactly. "Give me an example." "That's just an anecdote..." Lol

[@jordanmercier3616]

Your examples make too much sense, stop giving me anecdotes!

[@MadBuddhaAbuser]

She contradicts herself like 10 times. Plus She'll say something, destiny pushes her point, n her reply is "idk it's your topic"....

[@BattleBladeWarrior]

Yea, that's the biggest problem with all these people. I've even seen Ben Shapiro (who, I don't always agree with, but have a lot of respect for) make that mistake where he gets mad at people for using anecdotal evidence, but then brings up his own (especially lately)

[@DadeMurphie]

"He's free to talk about it" Well no, people showed up with baseball bats hunting for him.

[@RediTtora]

I've never seen this clip before but when that bitch basically waved off what happened to Brett and said it's old news time to move on, I was infuriated

[@YasminYoruba]

Exactly! Do they actually hear themselves when they speak?

[@soph1645]

You do realize he worked at the college for 20 years and spoke about it? So him speaking about was not the issue.

[@DadeMurphie]

@@soph1645 he was free in the past and then things changed. It's not a hard concept. You can't negate an event happening because it didn't happen previously until it did.

[@soph1645]

@@DadeMurphie the point is the reason why he was made to resign wasn't because of his teaching like you make it seem like.

[@themasterrogerdelgado]

The first student is insufferable. She has no point, she's just an adversary.

[@Eddiev3501]

My brother is a carbon copy of that chick. They have no points, but take pride in being contrarians. It’s exhausting.

[@BelleMort6]

The amount of times the word "like" is used is like... staggering.

[@DEVUNK88]

the biggest problem is they immediately have a problem with the conversation

[@mattd507]

Yep. First girl was ready to rage and kept trying to get him to piss her off

[@devaxionrl8189]

@@mattd507 i mean she's a sub5

[@deadpirateroberts9937]

@@mattd507 she was pretty good, idk why people hate her

[@mattd507]

@@deadpirateroberts9937 I dont hate her it just seems she went into it hoping to fire someone up.

[@youtubecensoringcomments7427]

Say it directly... They are highly intolerant of new ideas or other ideas

[@BraxtonWilhelmsen]

As an old guy (39 years old) who was a teenager in the 90's, the words coming out of the mouths of these kids is absolutely astounding. I mean, I've certainly heard them online endlessly for about the last 6 years or so, but to hear them say it with their own mouths so confidently is amazing. Never before now would you have heard young people commonly suggesting that other people "shouldn't be allowed to talk," especially progressives. In the 90's, it was progressives who held the position that freedom of speech is sacred, because so many religious conservatives were censoring swearing, sexual speech, satanic games, public immodesty, etc.

[@LesterBrunt]

Did those christian nuts ban stuff by just asking companies to stop selling stuff or did they petition the government to ban things christians didn’t like by law? Seems people forgot the distinction between government censorship and just freedom of speech. If the government bans you from listening to certain music that is wrong. If people just express their opinion about a certain type of music you are not a little victim of “cancel culture” because you can’t stand to hear people criticizing a genre of music.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

Please, people have been saying that universities have been enforcing political correctness, which is really just the old version of wokeness, since the 80s. There's an episode of Murphy Brown that touches on this topic. Murphy. Brown. Also, I'm of your generation and weren't we known for calling each other the f-slur in person and the n-word online?

[@DetroitTyler]

You could even see it in the music of the 90's the chart topper songs were all over the place, grunge, alternative, R&B, Hip Hop, Rock, Ska. I'm around the same age as you and I was talking to a uni student neighbour of mine about cancel culture in a chill manner and they started to get agitated. The topic and my stance on without further elaboration had them feeling some type of way. Was very interesting and eye opening.

[@Gunshiner]

@@BobardeZanzibar I’m also of you guys’ generation and I disagree with what you’re saying. The original comment used the broad paintbrush of society and you said university. Most ppl weren’t in university. And the f and n word being used everywhere online kinda proves his point.

[@adifferentname]

Why are you accepting the asinine and divisive framing of "progressives" vs "conservatives"? Progress and conservation are not static points, they're multi-directional spectrums upon which we all hold a plethora of constantly evolving and adapting positions, to different extremes and with multiple variables impacting those positions. Just as useless are the labels "left" and "right", which are used near-universally as moral judgements and litmus tests rather than reasonable descriptions of anything real. The very language we use is being used to program our thinking, and it's making chumps of all of us. Our focus should instead be on "liberty" vs "authority", on principles which stand unchallenged wherever you happen to lie on the political spectrum. Buying into the divisive identitarian bullshit will enslave us all.

[@mikegeoda6587]

you can never be left enough best to ignore them

[@WXSTANG]

That first girl couldn't answer a single question. She just kept pawning off uncomfortable truth, and asking Destiny what he thought. That is the next generation. Literal robots.

[@jacoberling2840]

First girl: Give me examples of wokeness running amok Destiny: Well here’s example A, B, and C Girl: Yea but anecdotes don’t prove anything 🤦‍♂️

[@itsover9008]

It was really annoying for her to move goalposts all conversation long.

[@colereed7411]

I was shocked that she watched a joe rogan episode.

[@billking7925]

​@@colereed7411so she could complain about it..

[@colereed7411]

@@billking7925 still shocked

[@jaidev777]

"The plural of anecdote isn't evidence." Seeing as statistics are literally a collection of anecdotes, yes indeed it is a form of evidence.

[@Staff936]

I am a conservative but I am a big fan of Destiny who has a logical liberal perspective to check my beliefs and challenge certain ideals. I love that he is producing this type of content, this is like a huge missing puzzle piece in the search for truth and understanding.

[@jamiemunn9200]

Rock on man! I'm a progressive and I can't stand this lack cooperation between two different ideologies.

[@stagthechainsawbeserker3926]

Everything needs opposition without it decay sets in old truths will not remain new ones will be produced in a factory esk setting.

[@mixdoe2885]

what do you mean by conservative? Like do you support gay marriage?

[@MinistryPhenom]

​@@mixdoe2885 of course he does. supporting gay marriage is integral to contemporary conservatism.

[@mixdoe2885]

@@MinistryPhenom oh I didn’t know. I never know what people mean by conservative

[@kubby6129]

The girl trying to be so smooth and condescending makes me not believe a single thing out of her mouth

[@ceci8960]

Same! She was so rude.

[@parzival112]

The first student latches onto any instance of like anecdotal stuff and completely stops all of her senses after that point and has to make it a deal before fully hearing Destiny out...

[@DiscoBarrage]

This type of content is peak Destiny. Hope to see more irl events like this in the future.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

BULLSHIT! There was hardly any yelling!

[@Lizard1582]

no, I want more drama arcs that I dont care about

[@austin_bennett]

In terms of intellectual conversation I 100% agree, it's interesting to go from the macro level of debating leftist creators who have large audiences then debating the micro which in this case is students. From an entertainment perspective I prefer the yelling & fighting because it gets more neuron activation in my monkey brain but I think both are needed

[@Trancer006]

Nooo to me his peak content is staying up past midnight to leak a call between big streamers and react to them

[@omas53]

It really sucks that he doesn't have these kinds of convos as much as I want him to.

[@Jambara]

Her: can you give me an example? Him: gives example Her: why are you giving me these individual examples? they dont matter.

[@danielaull5386]

You mean her and her cuz Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂

[@danielaull5386]

You mean her and her cuz Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂

[@chigwom7894]

@@danielaull5386 why you repeating yourself, you trembling or sum. How about you comment the same thing again why don’t you huh!

[@beewest5704]

@@alexsattar4623 And just cause I'm petty... You mean her and her cuz Destiny is a. Girls name 😂😂😂😂😂

[@danielaull5386]

@@alexsattar4623 thanks

[@KoiKoy56]

First converdation was a phenomenal discussion between a moderate and someone with an agenda. We don't need to cancel wokeness. We need more moderates and fewer far lefters and far righters. The more we agree and tolerate, the less all parties feel threatened or overwhelmed, the more regulated our social structures become. Wokeness is a symptom, not the disease.

[@KoiKoy56]

"Why was Andrew Tate banned from all social media platforms at the same time? Conspiracy!?!?" Andrew Tate's content violated the terms of agreement on all social media platforms. Not only that, but almost none of his content failed to violate the terms of agree of each social media platform. Not only that, but all of Tate's content exploded in popularity, was at the forefront of conversation, and was highlighted by the general public making it content that all humans in content mediation positions in had it at the top of their list. Andrew Tate getting banned from the internet isn't a controversial thing. For right wingers just use Tate as an opportunity to say that the leftists are out of control with cancel culture. Braindead agenda pushing. It's weird that Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are being used in the same conversation. They are completely different people with completely different viewpoints. Leftists hate Jordan Peterson, and his college campus gave him the boot, but he hasn't been silenced. Twitter banned him because they were a bunch of leftist activists, but that was Twitter, not the internet. Tate was banned because he was a piece of shit and violated terms and conditions with misogyny in almost all of his content.

[@rahbeat9785]

I Really liked the 3rd and 4th! Great debates!!

[@AoCabo]

The first lady totally makes his point. The moment he started challenging her views, she became antagonistic, kept interrupting him, probably only heard like 50% of what he said, and pulled a purity test by questioning if he's a progressive himself. So aggravating.

[@sillimanilli651]

wow - I agree a lot more with Stephen than I thought. Cool to see this video

[@7somekindofsomething]

Destiny is the type of progressive the U.S. needs right now. And I say that as someone who doesn’t agree with him on everything.

[@shodanart]

I totally agree! I’m conservative but I listen to him to hear what a smart “progressive” or “liberal” thinks.

[@Aisatsana1971]

@@shodanart what conservative values do you follow?

[@Ja_Skulli]

Yeah I think he’s a simp but the dood has great political views

[@michaelknight2897]

I dont think Progressives believe he is progressive.

[@SF-pj3gg]

Totally agree, he helps me accept progressives and understand them better.

[@chriscrux4556]

Brings up an example that sheds light on the horrible things extremists are doing on their side. Student 1: "Yeah I'm not even going to discuss that or whatever" Student 2: "I think it's best if we don't give that too much attention." There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

[@sirgentlebread7302]

@@dm_1236 That isn't what she did

[@WaywardVector]

@@dm_1236 he did. He defined that societal oppression over scientific views is one example. Watch the video dude.

[@918Murphy]

@@dm_1236 She asked for an example then said "I don't like anecdotes, and thats only one example, give me more!" so he does give her more and she denies it's legitimacy by just calling them anecdotes. Oh, so you call his stats made up? I doubt you're going to back that up at all. The evergreen example was perfect. Listen to her stumble over why she is against Bret Weinstein. She is creating conspiracies' to excuse why she can call him a deplorable. So pathetic

[@Herodotus888]

@@dm_1236 It's a common debate tactic by lefties to keep asking the other person "Why?" and constantly asking the other person to defend themselves because they can't defend their own positions. They also constantly reinterpret what the other person says based on their perception of conservatives which she does over and over here.

[@MooseKnuckleWarrior]

Great debates, but like I couldn't count on like the hairs on my my head like how many times the word "like" was used... 🤯

[@goatofdeath]

Wow, the first student is absolutely insufferable. Condescending to Destiny in a way he is not to her, and making broad assumptions about the motives of the Evergreen professor and what he would or wouldn't have said given his educational expertise. And acting like Evolutionary Biology is somehow in the same realm as Phrenology. Just ouch.

[@M2xim]

I feel like this would be better if Destiny brought a computer outside to play in front of these people while he talk to them.

[@swamprat9389]

That would be next level

[@blinkanddie3397]

lmfao

[@psychobabblemusic]

"Fuckin' a, god damn it.. I'm sorry can you repeat that you cut out there"

[@nathancasey7712]

@@psychobabblemusic 🤣

[@Nestoras_Zogopoulos]

ah yes, the pizza tactic

[@Jrod110]

She literally proved his literal point with her first statement lol

[@lMMl24680]

CRT in schools programs them to view everything through the lens of race. She is looking to interpret his every action and word in terms of "how can I define this as racism?". She hears about the story and the first place her mind goes is "the woke mob came after him so he must be racist". She hears that he offered to do a lecture for the black day if they really want to do a day about blackness and she has her mind made up that he wants to teach that blacks are inferior and that he has racist intentions. She has her mind made up about him and what he thinks and what his intentions are, has him all profiled up and nicely wrapped into a generic right winger that believes xyz and attributed all the intentions to make that conclusion correct. They think they are being taught how to critically think but they are actually being programmed to think a certain way and to have a logical framework and an informational foundation that leads them to reach a specific type of conclusion that lines up with the ideology. They also get insulated from opposing view points because "hate speech must be censored for people's own good" which conveniently makes it so their molding only goes a certain way. 'Racism' is their hammer and everything is the nail. These schools might as well be indoctrination facilities now.

[@shefchenko111]

But he is hot tho

[@H.Hardrada]

She said about 3 or 4 things I noticed, Freudian slips, that completely gave away her inherent narcissism. Of course she doesn't believe wokeism has run amok. She is apart of the amok.

[@H.Hardrada]

It's crazy to me how someone could look at the Evergreen story and see anything but the most abhorrent behavior by those students. It must take some serious mental reality bending to see it otherwise.

[@bentinbama1]

@@H.Hardrada I'm a conservative but I agree with you...it was terrible

[@jlawson7204]

There is zero chance that I would have the patience to talk to the first girl. He asks for her final thought and she says you go first. She then proceeds to cut him off every time he starts a sentence. The arrogance of people that age thinking that they are smarter than everybody else would be hilarious if it wasn't at the same time so dangerous.

[@triggerhapp0990]

Respect to you Destiny! The major fear as a society is if start to venture off into totalitarianism, if either side, progressives or conservatives, try to justify a monopoly on ideology then we're in for a very big problem. Wars start when we stop talking!

[@grantstratton2239]

First girl is like, "right-leaning professors shouldn't be allowed to speak" and also, "why are there no university studies about how right-leaning discourse gets banned at universities?"

[@cvr527]

Not "right leaning discourse, all discourse involving "free thought." This issue has nothing to do with the right or the left. it is an issue about free thought and freedom of speech. Both of which are essential to wisdom and have no political affiliations.

[@grantstratton2239]

@cvr527 I'm sure all the universities would say that's what they are committed to. The problem isn't policy. It's culture. It's the leadership of these Universities caving to pressure that a speaker that wants to say that doing irreversable gender conforming surgery on prepubecent childern with developing brains violates the Hippocratic oath crosses the line of civil discourse into hate speech, but a speaker talking about Queering kids is civil discourse worthy of consideration. The problem in a nutshell is that where to put that line being bent by political considerations. That's how law works. In the US, many landmark decisions are made 4-3 along strict party lines. Lower courts are the same way. The law says what it says in every courtroom, but what it means in practice is going to vary from judge to judge. Honestly, the Left's political capture of universities is just as brilliant and significant as the Republican RedMap campaign last decade. And it may have longer-term effects.

[@cvr527]

@@grantstratton2239 It is clear that you do not understand the nature, or insidiousness of what marxism really is. It isnt a matter of the leadership caving to pressure. The leadership is pushing their political religion from the top down. In direct conjunction with trusted faculty members.

[@jasonfields7058]

I dont think any of these people understand cultural marxism is the problem. Ive gone on many of these videos and people dont get that this is what is affecting the colleges and messing society up. Radical feminism, LGBT agenda, BLM and Antifah, they honestly dont get it. They are all marxist without understanding how dangerous it is and its true purpose.

[@rouninpanda6318]

​@@cvr527 Correct. All these college students didn't just show up to Orientation and say "ok, we're running things now!". They've been groomed for years at these institutions by the top down culture, Marxist curricula, and radicalist professors. Now they're being primed in grade school into this religious dogma, because the capture is so extensive Marxists feel there's no longer any need to hide the transhumanist programming.

[@jude-zd9ms]

That first girl is peak woke. The most telling trait of it is the smugness, the condescension and the gaslighting.

[@cancelled_user]

Isn't she Destiny's friend? They were together on the Whatever podcast, dating talk #75 and she got kicked off the podcast for being a troll or something.

[@agent-sz2qj]

I don't think so, peak wokes just scream at you like a wild animal

[@TimmaySays]

Yep she’s a special one…. Repeatedly has shown that she doesn’t come to the table in good faith. She’s Neil Degrasse Tyson with an extra large chip on her shoulder and minus his IQ.

[@Burgle_Turds]

@@cancelled_user Yes sir.

[@Atlas65]

You are right, and I am super torn about that. Because I'm super attractive to her. She is even intelligent, not just some crazy nutter that screams none sense. But I'm sure I wouldn't be able to date her because we would disagree way to much on pretty much everything Edit. I think that she is just an actor pretending to be woke. She is way too charming for a extream woke person. (I'm obviously not meaning it literally, but you get my point. This is said with a tint of sarcasm) Still charming though.

[@stoltobot]

The plural of anecdote is not data, true. But a plurality of anecdotes does not disprove the existence of data suggestive of an underlying trend. Anyway, just keep telling yourself whatever feels comfortable

[@shawnbauer7889]

3rd and 4th people that come on are actually super chill.

[@yvonnelee4385]

I love how she asked destiny for a specific example then chides him for relying on anecdotal evidence 😂

[@LazyEyePolitics]

Example doesn't mean anecdotes there champ.

[@yvonnelee4385]

@@LazyEyePolitics it wasn’t an anecdote, that’s my point *champ.* It was a real world example, not some unverifiable story about your cousin’s girlfriend’s boss’s neighbor’s social worker.

[@SmashToBits]

@@yvonnelee4385 One real world example is an anecdote there buddy, just because it is verifiable it is still an anecdote. A strong example would be - women are better drivers because statistics say that women get in less crashes per capita then men. The fact you think a story is not an anecdote because it is verifiable shows you dont know what you are talking about.

[@judgedread4929]

@@yvonnelee4385 it was a anecdote

[@DB-jx3oo]

@@judgedread4929 The anecdote IS the specific example she asked for

[@swingset1969]

She sat there and methodically made every point about wokeness going to far, and essentially her grand fallback is "it's not everywhere affecting everyone yet, um, so like, um, it's just anecdotes".

[@nickygsnuts3318]

I got to that point and had to drunkenly walk off to yell about how the evidence she would trust is just a collection of anecdotes. Thanks for phrasing it better.

[@_DarkEmperor]

On point.

[@Vscustomprinting]

Can you tell me what wokeness is? Hint: its a trick question.

[@iamlovingawareness2284]

She’s the one who asked for examples too. 😑. I was hoping he’d call her on that.

[@Vscustomprinting]

@@iamlovingawareness2284 what was he supposed to call her on?

[@miketurner2095]

Its good to finally see destiny eat his words an actually realize the orthodoxy of wokeness.

[@andi32387]

We cannot suppress ideas in response to priorly suppressed or oppressed ideas. Suppression isn’t the answer. That will never lead to common ground. Only respectful conversations like this will lead to change.

[@sfowl47]

This convinced me not only has woke gone too far but it still hasn’t gone as far as it will. This was horrifying.

[@Walrus286]

Agreed. These people are so far gone and it’ll only get worse.

[@sigururolafsson2257]

It will be a crazy time when wokeism has peaked. Social justice warrior's marching down the road calling out Sieg Woke!

[@adrianharry5336]

Second guy really doesn’t understand that “hate” is subjective. A lot of women think a man that is pro life “hates women”. So by his theory she should shoot the man. It’s very complicated

[@Espectador666]

And to fight their bs some other idiots will go too far the other side.

[@ibrahim8852]

@@Espectador666 We need more people going the other side tbh. This is the only way smart people will come to the middle.

[@sancheznish8285]

She try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, she try’s a gottchya, he proves his point, she moves the goal posts, and repeat, absolutely crazy the lack of self awareness this woman has

[@Dan16673]

Yup

[@xBiHaz]

Its funny because its the same as a conspiracy theorist tactic

[@GruntBurger]

And she'll never admit it. She'll walk around moments after telling everyone how she schooled this dumb racist liberal.

[@gremiosempre108]

@@xBiHaz except the crazy conspiracy theorists have been proven right many times.

[@niewazneniewazne1890]

Why did he decide to give that particular lecture at that particular moment. When you consider that most of the time, there's a program of teaching and generally someone goes with the program which has like structure and lectures are given one after the other. It isn't so much that he choose to talk in specific about that very specific issue at that very moment, as much as it was part of his university program/lessons he would teach. So he actually would have to go out of his way to change his program in accordance to this event.

[@gtplumbing2004]

The more and more I watch & listen to Destiny, the more I find him to be a logical guy.

[@jhunt5578]

Weird how that dude said gay rights is because of wokeism. He's getting his definitions mixed up.

[@piewert787]

These conversations are wildly better than many of the insane chronically online people that you usually have on. These are some very intelligent discussions. Do this again please!

[@abra5957]

that's a joke right?

[@user-gh1vc9kb4e]

That first bimbo was a science denier who didn't think race was real! So much for intelligence...

[@Schacal6666]

You heard the first crazy eyes girl, right?

[@jusscocro772]

The convo was fun, but in no way is that first girl doing anything but trying to dunk while doing the exact things she attacked destiny for. Second guy wasn't too bad.

[@andrewcox5873]

@@jusscocro772 She might have been trying to dunk but a lot of those dunks were successful. A random girl off the street was able to hold her own against one of the most seasoned debaters on KZbin. Granted he was holding back, but give this girl a channel and a few months practice and she'd be better than most of the dudes in the debate-o-sphere

[@trevorreeves1988]

She starts by saying I have a problem even having this conversation. Yet she doesn’t understand how wokeness has gone to far. These people don’t understand irony

[@muff10000]

People in a group that goo to far rarely see their own doing.

[@jefferyhellerjh]

I’m rarely impressed but right now is a strong exception to that… Although I thoroughly enjoyed Destinys last debate with Ben Shapiro, I’ve never been a fan of Destiny. The fact that Destiny realizes how out of hand the Progressives have gotten and took the initiative to try to reason some sense into his own side greatly impressed me. Kudos, Destiny.

[@MrJahbeez]

I 100% do NOT agree with many, and maybe even most of Destiny's views, but I respect him A LOT. His ability and willingness to have a productive debate is something we need more of nowadays. I think he engages people with opposing viewpoints earnestly and that's really refreshing. Bring back the ability to disagree with others without being labeled as "hateful."

[@MrJahbeez]

@extremely wise tree Considering just how UNcommon courtesy and civil discourse has become, yes, I believe it's worthy of praise when we see it. I'm glad I'm on the way downhill, and won't be around for the type of future that we seem to be moving ever closer to.

[@danporter1176]

thats the point though, those kids typically get omitted from like steven crowders final cut.

[@rin022]

what do u disagree with

[@nathancasey7712]

@@rin022 Why does it matter

[@HorusHerotic]

@@danporter1176 prove it or cope

[@bushy9780]

"They are just anecdotes unless they support my view, and once we find one anecdote that fits our agenda, that will become the established science that cannot be questioned and must be trusted" is basically what I got from first girl

[@user-zn1uq2iz8f]

yeah can’t believe the college girl is more stupid than me

[@RigorDMG]

pretty much😂

[@lucasljs1545]

World view confirmation bias. "Debating" with people like that is a waste of time, they can't even think for themselves.

[@jnny7182]

I wanted to vomit as soon as she opened her mouth. Her look and voice reeks of who she proved to be.

[@MrLichster]

@@jnny7182 you are a hateful one aren’t you?

[@ryanparker2334]

This was a great debate, keep it up, ignore the hate.

[@HOSS-kr6jj]

I don't agree with a lot of destiny's views, but he is very articulate and gets his point across. I respect that.

[@StevejRodriguez]

It wasn’t Destiny’s opinions that convinced me wokeism has gone too far, it was the students responses to him.

[@YiddishDancingClown]

Yea. She can't talk to anyone without being condescending.

[@samsby14]

​@@YiddishDancingClowni got that as well, lots of little jabs punctuating her rants.

[@therealbs2000]

You all know that she won right? Especially the last few minutes she basically dominated him

[@matthewmadej]

Like why like would like you like say like that like? Like this like are like brightest like people like!

[@marcinnieistotne3863]

she's def gonna read that bro@@therealbs2000

[@unreasonableJameson]

the second student's lack of self awareness was incredible

[@dogmeat7486]

He just straw-manned over and over.

[@joshuaxernandez]

oh believe me I'm super self aware... that I was giving y'all that good ass content baby!!!

[@danielheaps9189]

@@joshuaxernandez u sound like david goggins

[@WapitalismandWreedom]

so was the first

[@unreasonableJameson]

@@joshuaxernandez lol

[@andi32387]

I could listen to Destiny debate for days.

[@matlee9832]

Same. Not to morally grandstand on you however its really important to consume other opinions and not to fall down any of the rabbit holes that might emotionally charge your opinions. It's good to take a break. I'm 100% projecting when I say this. I just hope you stay safe online friend.

[@ElDeAlLado]

The contents are interesting but I struggle to pay attention with all that reverb and delay sound effects on the voices... I understand you need some reverb to make it sound real, but could you keep it a bit closer to dry?

[@xtlm]

It's amazing how much hatred they have instilled into young peoples minds, by making their hatred having the mask of love and inclusiveness. They can't even see their own face.

[@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll]

Manipulated delusional people. Sad thing to see

[@Stringer13ell]

I thought that too. The irony is Destiny could have shot the second student and he could have had no complaint.

[@H.Hardrada]

I found it weird that there was such a large amount of controvertible beliefs that they just assumed were self-evident and indubitable. It seems their self-righteousness has formed into a psychosis.

[@gregoryadams9025]

@@H.Hardrada Example of one of those beliefs?

[@tubegirl25]

I don’t think it’s hatred. I think it may go too far at times, but it’s not from a place of hate. I think it’s from a place of trying to protect others from being offended. It’s overprotective and goes too far but that’s where they are coming from. If you were a Christian would you be comfortable with a group in your college that was anti Christian that made speeches about religious belief being pathological and kids being indoctrinated is child abuse and that religious parents shouldn’t be allowed to have children, etc?

[@will6176]

I specifically remember clips of Bret saying to the crowd “I’m an expert on evobio, I know why racism is wrong and I can debunk racist evolution arguments, let me show you”. For the girl to class it as it would be a lecture on “why blacks are inferior” is super underhanded.

[@begetasama7209]

Wait is this true? I didn't know who this Bret guy was when I watched the video

[@jonsel27578]

I don't expect you to have it but if you do, I'd love to see that clip

[@ItssssJack]

If I say that I don't accept the premise that God exists, then why would I want to engage with you in a conversation that has God as a premise? This is like a Christian understanding the atheist argument to be "you believe in God, you just don't like him".

[@andrewcox5873]

@@ItssssJack You dont have to engage with that person, but you shouldnt barge into their classroom and shout at them and prevent them from speaking

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

She "knew" he was a racist and didn't care about anything that countered that. She always assumed Bret was motived by it or was always operating in bad faith.