Okay... Let's SERIOUSLY Talk About Arsenal

[@insubordinategoy7466]

The problem is that the team won't counter attack they just refuse to break on teams quickly.

[@GuNnR-ot1wr]

Counter attacking has disappeared not like an old Arsenal who were deadly on counter. Now we only trying to build up which is just stupid and predictable.

[@alvinaditya1610]

maybe the players are afraid to lose the ball, i dont know, last season we were pretty decent on the counter

[@sadiq6813]

need a new left winger more than we need a striker, but we do need both

[@inmybestdaysidontdocrack]

Agreed, Havertz is a 10, and we play him as a false nine. It would be fine if a left winger was almost as good as our right. It will give Havertz more options. Instead Havertz, Odeegard, Timber, all of these creatives will fucking pass to Saka. Because without Calafori no push from the left. And even then, calafori aims for Havertz and Saka. Martinelli plays better with Calafori, but Martinelli is not good enough. Maybe he'll grow he's 22. But We need someone NOW

[@tipo444]

THX YOU MARTINELLI IS SO GARBAGE ITS INSANE

[@messiuweeeeeek]

yea... German international striker is good enough in my opinion

[@KK-ib4uf]

Havertz should be much better than this if our midfield provides him with enough support to stay in the box. He's not that kind of player who can score while helping out the midfield. A player like that would cost us 120m not 60m.

[@lxvid.7]

The issue is that they spam one side rather then balancing it because when martinelli gets the ball he tries to do as much as he could do if he received balls like Saka, leading him to make stupid decision and overall playing bad. Arsenal must go to Dubai, and the thing with Arteta is that he is focused on defenders rather than attacking players

[@jamesrobertson9697]

To be fair, his focus on defence has done wonders. I reckon that if he'd put all the money he's had available into attacks, or more into attack, we'd be in a worse position. Arsenal have been saving up for a couple seasons now. Hopefully we're going to spend big on the front-three soon.

[@s.o.n.s5306]

I remember when we were so fast on the transition in the 21/22 season..why can’t we go back to those tactics because we were so unpredictable then😢

[@Nsypski]

the stop start stop start is because the team hasn't had an opportunity to gain momentum. I think the squad is fine but the injuries have done us in. Last year we looked poor leading up to Christmas and then suddenly we turned it on with the same players. I don't even think our players have had many training sessions with all the players in them. How many times have we heard special training sessions for Rice, Saka, Timber, etc.

[@moviegooner49]

I just love people who just dont think and just blind say "there lots of tip managers out here" thats true but wil they want to come, what wil they change and are they really going to do better than Arteta. Lets say a new manager does come in, wil the board you all hate trust to bring the right one. I'll bet if its an young manager people wil slate him form the get go. Think about what you are saying!

[@qasimansari7540]

I think we should play a 3-4-2-1 in addition to getting a better left winger. Arteta is also too safe. We gotta also take risks too.

[@mrcooljay7276]

Changing the formation isn't the solution. Getting better forwards is

[@raymondagholor2745]

Arteta is been 5 years on this job! He has not been able coach this team into a team who are deadly in attack bar only one season i think! Let's give him 10 years then. This is not a project anymore.

[@IqroAbdicali]

😊

[@reabetsoengwepe3718]

I get that,but he's also learning as a manager... Arsenal is his first club...2 his done a great job so far...but he will make mistakes

[@raymondagholor2745]

@@reabetsoengwepe3718 Yes, Arteta has brought us back to where we can start competing. But the major question is, is he good enough to get to the next phase given the peculiar case of running a non ambitious club like ours. It is us fans who want trophies, the ownership don't care..let's face it. I do believe that if Arteta got the mancity job for example, he can win the league- because he will get all the players he wants, but at Arsenal he won't get that. And arteta has shown he cannot manage with the resources he has. I will conclude by saying what will be really hurtful is giving arteta all the job experience he needs only to go to other clubs like city and win the league. Ownership will sit down and do the math. Assess the manager's ability now, ask the difficult question like, if we give him so and so players, can he give up the league in say next season? If no, then move him on, if yes, then BACK HIM UP WITH THE SIGNINGS! I know people will say Kroenkes spent money, but I like to see the money spent as necessary. There was no way we would have gotten to this level of competing for the league if we didn't spend that much money. Ok, that's enough talking for me.

[@alejandrobetancourt8123]

Scored the most goals in arsenals history and in the league last season?

[@captainnana3870]

You have to chill with the Havertz praise, HE IS NOT A GOOD AERIAL THREAT. His headers are extremely bad in front of goal and just weak, everything he does just seems lackluster and weak. If we genuinely want to win something we need a striker who can actually STRIKE the ball no just ouch it to the goalkeeper. IMO we need a REAL striker.

[@Praa200k]

I personally think if we aren't winning anything again this season, Arteta needs to go as well. Of course, I appreciate how he has already stabilised the club from mid table mediocrity and brought us to the level of genuine title contenders but unfortunately it seems like this is Arteta's limit as a coach himself. In a way Arteta is kinda similar to Pochettino at Tottenham. They both built a great team but they can never get it to cross the finish line.

[@mrcooljay7276]

I totally agree. If we can't win anything this season then he simply has to go

[@IvayloD89]

A really good summary, mate. Haters will always hate, regardless of the situation's severity - guess it makes them feel better compensating for whatever in their lives. I still believe we are 1 good LW away from reinventing the attack, as the left side right now is close to non-existing on the pitch, let alone the stats.. My biggest concern right now is that we will buy noone in January and this is going to cost us at the business end of the season.

[@mickynjx1699]

Guys there is no need to beat about the bush or try to be "correcct" to whoever or whatever. Due to Arteta's specificity in strategy n selection (now predicate by some managers) especially regarding players n what he wants them to do on the pitch, we have to really dig into the January window. There's no garnishing that fact. Adaptability is not Arteta's strong suit (unlike Slot, Maresca n maybe Amorin). The entire management (team manager n executives) have run out of excuses. With all the "Arteta" improvements that have been done to the team, if our main/only obstacles for the past 2 seasons (ManCity) r struggling we should be on top n not behind teams who have been constantly behind us for the past 2 seasons n whose major upgrades the past window were their mangers, who by the way r first time managers in the epl. We've ended the past 4 seasons clapping our hands to ourselves with tears in our eyes n hopes n promises for next season. Well most fans r tired of that n want a major trophy this season. End of. I love Arteta n he's also responsible for this sense of entitlement I n most fans have with his past two finishes. But noone can accuse Arsenal fans of being impatient. IF n IF any of Liverpool, Chelsea, ManUtd win the epl ahead of us this season, fans will be LIVID! No PR campaign will placate. Regardless of what channels they use. I strongly suggest they use the January window eefectively n get what we need to make us winners. No dilly dallying. We r sick n tired of the rigidity, stubbornness n inconsistencies. We've backed the process long enough n now we want trophies not further promises.

[@mrcooljay7276]

Love your comment bro. I agree with you 100%

[@theDitto404]

LW and an experienced creator for midfield would really make a huge difference would love to see the club bid for Eze on the left, but I can't see us putting up the dough :(

[@Jeff-h6m]

The draw was embarrassing. We were too slow, not creative, nothing. Didn't try to counter attack them but instead try to control possession with Everton rushing to bring players back. And instead of knowing that Everton can't attack us and trying to bring more attacking players, Arteta brought on more defensive players. Terrible performance.

[@yoshkahanson7368]

Possession based football seems to only work on teams who aren't organized. This season we see any team can be any other team especially with the quality of managers we now have in the premier league, we need to try something different. With us pushing the opposing team so far into their half we don't give enough space for counter attacking football, and we don't play to the left side of our teams strengths. Martinelli clearly needs a couple yards on his player because he is faster over a distance, not in acceleration. If we are deadset on keeping width, then we should play with a LF and CF with Saka keeping the width as a RW/RF, Tierney used to lob crosses in for fun without anyone getting to the end of it just use the guy.

[@arinzei]

Thank you. Kept saying this. It's useless buying a striker if our midfield can't even create, all strikers will suffer. Last time I remember Odegaard crossing the ball for a goal was away at Luton. That's so poor from a primary playmaker.

[@D_Owo]

that's just untrue tho. Odegaard has the most big chances created in 2024 in the prem just cus he ain't crossing the ball across the pitch every match doesn't mean he's not still a great playmaker and arsenal has the 3rd highest xg in the league so we definetly get alot of chances we just need a striker who can capitalise on those chances or a decent left winger

[@arinzei]

@D_Owo and we have Saka to thank for that. Odegaard is a sideways pass merchant, hell all our midfielders are.

[@richardmorgan3169]

You raise a good point buddy

[@silxnce1]

i would absolutely love videos on players that we should sign, but realistically the arsenal board would never sign these players

[@KhodeineKhrazy]

Saka is literally dying out there, Martinelli has no end product and can't beat a man. Saka even came to the left last game lool from then I knew Martinelli is finished

[@djrussell1989]

I think the problem is chiefly, creativity. We need someone on the left side who can, like Odegaard create chances. This should be Nwaneri. This would give the team more balance and stop teams being able to double up on our right side of attack, making more space for Saka and Odegaard to work with. Additionally it would just add more creativity in the team as whole. Martinelli might benefit from this with. However the third problem is Havertz, I like Havertz as he gives a physical and aerial threat but he reminds me of Giroud. He can play a role and will get you 15 to 20 goals a season but he cannot be your main man. The problem is that Arteta has this thing where he plays players according to seniority and for whatever reason, even though Nwaneri has shown in the little time he has been given that he can be a force, Arteta will not start him or at least give him more time. The other problem is that the killer striker and the new LW will cost in the range of 120 to 150 million and Arteta has said we will not be spending in January. Or the other option is more radical and it involves changing up the system. Perhaps he starts Trossard rather than MArtinelli and tells him that when we have the ball and are in control he is to play close to Havertz, almost like a two man strike partnership (As I believe Trossard is a good finisher and reasonably technical, he just lacks the rapid pace to truly be a tricky winger). This will give us two 'strikers' in the box, giving the opposition more to worry about than just Havertz who likes to come short more often than run in behind. In this situation we would need the LB to provide the width, or the the left no8. just spit balling off the top of my head. But one things for sure if he wants to stick with the current system at a minimum we need a new LW. Have a good one.

[@chronic_elite646]

wisely said

[@Tr1ckady]

Well said, balances approach to the issues at the club. Roo many get hyperbolic for clicks. Come on Arsenal we can still get this done, be it now or next season.

[@philipenojasun9366]

Why not we wait for another 5 years.... Cos I don't understand his hatred for certain players and over doing things forming tactics we have a natural winger who brings the best out of martinelli in Tierney but he will always prefer timber there and play partey at 2, when Havertz is playing nonsense he allows him to lay the full 90mins. Because of cos he is wiser than everyone, why on ea he moved odegaard

[@bystander1754]

I’m tired of being next season FC

[@hi-5004]

Must say I have seen Matheus Cunha, and I think he’d be a great player for us, he will most likely be leaving Wolves at the end of the season, and I think he is the number 10 we want, giving us a good threat on the left again and able to switch a game on its head, left wing is our biggest problem and it should be the priority, I can live with Havertz in striker.

[@jacobalexander4167]

Isn't Cunha a striker? Besides I'm tired of Brazilian players, they just don't have the motivation to remain consistent at the top level

[@amisco333]

We cannot wait for the end of the season; its the clubs fault they refuse to get a striker. We need to get a striker to come in and score 15 goals in the second half. They keep putting off buying a striker as if its not important and we keep suffering for it. Every department takes some pressure from the others; if we have a dangerous frontline it takes pressure off the midfield, opponents know they only need to stop Saka so other players can step forward and hinder our midfield.

[@damirEF]

There are a lot of good points you mention but saying that the Captain can not play any role in the midfield that he wants at top level is simply blasphemous.

[@KK-ib4uf]

The underperformance of our forward players is a consequence of the ability and tactics of our midfield. Our midfield is strong, physical and good at controlling the ball. But the creativity is lacking and the players are too reluctant to take any risk in forward passing. There is little quick 2-1 passes or through balls between defenders that punch through the middle. So when the opponent doesn't give us many safe opportunities, our midfield can't pass the ball to the forward. That's why Havertz has been so poor lately because he had to leave the box to receive the ball from the midfield. That's why our wingers are struggling because our midfield tends to pass them the ball near the half-way line. What we need the most in the transfer market is a top #10 and a good LW. Without those, even Haaland in the front can't make a difference.

[@Ibetonlosingdogs2886]

What you don`t know about Odegaard, he is the best pre-assister in the Prem. By far. His perfectly weighted through balls giving the receiver half a second better time to prepare the next move with precision and quality. And labeling him as a non creator had me giggling.

[@trevorlewatle1886]

Good mesaage

[@1Skirnir]

Problem is that the ball gp to slow forward.

[@thegreat7861]

I think Arteta is over thinking things. I also think Arsenal have done to him what they did to Wenger by giving him too much power. All the manager needs to do is manage the team, not the whole club. I still believe that Arteta is the right man for us and have faith that we will win something this season.

[@blaiseengonzoloki5639]

I agree with you except opinion about Arteta. I get what you said but how he is project when this is his 5 year season as Arsenal manager ? You also said it's not his fault about transfers which it's true but at the same time this is his team. He wanted Havertz, Rice, Timber and Raya to replace Ramsdale. I like and appreciate what Arteta did for us but he also should hold accountability. It seems like some Arsenal fans don't want or sensitive when we have uncomfortable conversation about Arteta.

[@mrcooljay7276]

Personally i don't think Arsenal still have much of a chance of winning the league this season, but i do believe we could win the champions league finally, but only if we make some attacking signings in January. We need to sign a striker and another left winger, the players we have in both positions are simply not good enough and we need to just accept that fact and get better players

[@1Skirnir]

Odegaard is a master in fast play fotballl. Many players pass rhe ball to sllow.

[@kevinwang7018]

The hate on arteta in these comments are insane. Do y’all not remember how fkijg awful we were before him? Y’all acting like we were winning before him. News flash: we haven’t won in almost two decades. Arteta has brought us back to believe that we finally can reach glory. We lose arteta means we need to take a massive gamble on someone completely new with a completely new system. I truly believe that with our current core, trophies are well within our grasp. Stop overreacting to every result. Support and push on the team. And just enjoy the football

[@kastro_mw5943]

We can't lose the league to some newbies....if we do that just tells us arteta is a fraud , don't tell me that the chelsea and Liverpool team were found in good condition already if so we have already passed that trenches mid table phase a long time ago arteta is young and has no real experience, no real tactics which are put in games when they aren't going our way it's always the same boring predictable play, this arteta guy can't even change or tweak some tactic ...it literally shows how inexperienced he is . This was supposed to be our season!!!!

[@javanwalcott7772]

Partey and saka is our best players since the start of the season yet still arteta prefer to use partey out of position or drop him at time hence breaking his momentum🤦🏽‍♂️

[@mancubofthenorth4554]

Ever since 22/23 stevie wonder can see the down fall of arteta get him and Stan out, 800m spent on defensive players enough is enough.

[@andymccormack5047]

I completely agree that the squad, particularly the attack isn’t good enough. That being said we did score 90 odd goals last season so that kind of counters the argument. We are carrying too many players who aren’t good enough/not performing namely Martinelli, Jesus and Havertz and I also really don’t rate Trossard. Do I think Arteta is good enough to get us over the line…..No. He has spent a lot of money but very little on the attack, he has to take responsibility for that. We are so predictable and teams just triple up on Saka and that basically nullifies our attach

[@mrcooljay7276]

Bro you really need to kill the argument of how many goals we scored last season. The fact is, we didn't score when we needed it the most. That's why we lost to villa TWICE, Fulham and west ham. That's also why we didn't beat man city at the Etihad last season. WE NEED BETTER ATTACKERS! Apart from Saka the rest of them are simply not good enough

[@amanbabani5489]

We are seriously relegation fodder when it comes to lethal attacks that's the biggest negative point about this manager He is simply not good enough to win us the title

[@AaronKeane-x9k]

I love martinelli, but i think it is time we make him a sub. I think he would be perfect as a sub. Comes on and work like a beast. Trossard can also comd on but he is kinda fell off

[@mancubofthenorth4554]

Inzaghi, Zidane, narglesman, ancelotti.

[@zwai9532]

Get Rice to play Deeper and have Kai Drop drop on the left hand side, hopefully both Kai and Rice can play Nelli behind. Touchline Martinelli is a Disaster at this point till we find another player. Free Msrtinelli to be more of an inside forward and see if he can recapture the form he had when we had Lacca and Jesus at false 9.

[@FaustineMakokha29]

Arsenal have a problem playing and beating teams that have no intention of winning a duel against them but play better with teams that come determined to beat them. Arsenal must change it's approach on teams that play defensively and pack their back line. Strengthen the centre and the left wing so that they dont rely entirely on the right side. Teams now know that as long as you mark out, manage and stop Saka and Ordegaard your done with Arsenal. Arsenal is soo predictable to most opponents.

[@mickynjx1699]

It's all getting very very boring. It's obvious there's something set-in-stone to our play that exposes itself whenever we have a few injuries. Mikel's hubris is predictability n a lack of adaptability. He has built a good team but hasn't used them to their highest potential (such as benching Lewis skelly against Fulham when he would have resolved issues we had there with the right instructions to him). I like Areta n his tactics but it bcoms irritating when we draw or lose games we should either bury or draw. A friend who's also an Arsenal fan asked what Arne Sloth or Maresca would achieve with a team like Arsenal (2 seasons consecutive runners up finishes with even further improvements to d squad). Something to ponder about especially when u consider its just their debut season n they r doing wonders ALREADY! ManCity is declining n Arteta is struggling. If Liverpool, Chelsea or ManCity (from behind us now) win epl this season n not us, Arsenal fans will be very very very livid n no PR campaign (even from their assigned covert youtubers) or transfer (soothing stunt) would placate the Rage. We wouldn't further trust any flipping process. If ManCity is slipping we should be winning this title. End of! Use d January window wisely it may b our saving grace

[@percynkosi8]

We sent Fabio on loan and we are complaining about creating

[@javanwalcott7772]

Martinelli is really poor so poor that the dont don’t even trust playing him. Last game he lost the ball more that he had successful passes. He still play with his head down the team is weak on martinelli side. Time for him to go

[@alfredsunera4497]

Thie game was not our really day.how can Ordigad miss those 3 chances.this isnt him.somthing must be going on in the dressing room.

[@nfive5]

Sterling is waste of time and money and not convinced by Merino either I do agree Arsenal need to take risks on and off the field get more attacking I dnt thibk season is over yet but how long do we give Arteta we need to win a trophy of some kind whether it's carabao or FA Cup

[@Troll4858_]

Martinili n Jesus have to go

[@Guney1886]

Arteta needs the sack ASAP. Give him the league cup games. If he wins the league cup then he can have until end of the season to win another trophy. If he fails to win the league cup or get another trophy by the end of the season then he gets a sack. 5 years and almost 800 mil spent and still major holes.

[@omarali6674]

Your analysis today is flawed. Arsenal problems are obvious, but you make it seem like there are massive problems. Partey should stick to the 6 role for Odegard to work efficiently. Ordegard needs to learn using his right foot so as to match Debruyne, otherwise he will remain a profile like bernado. It better to play Rice at RB, because he can, so that we dont interfere with Partey's form in midfield

[@sibikrishnan8543]

Declan Rice - 105 million 💷 for a fridge that cannot pass the ball forward. Every single pass is back and side and cannot play traingle, give and go, doesn't score from outside box, doesn't attack the edge of box and offers nothing but side and back. And all passes are low quality. Weight on the ball is always wrong. Blames other players more often not. Just watch the Euro final again. He was such a a coward on the ball and Jude and other attackers had a horrid time because of him. Same happening in arsenal. Martinelli, a victim of low IQ fraud like Declan Rice. Westham done us over with that transfer

[@Hadi-td8ch]

Odegaard is not Oezil...Oezil is more creative and visioner

[@moabimatenge6868]

Man thing must be bad If Arsenal is slowly turning you emo 😅... It's still early to call. Teams are still gonna be shocked, not just us.

[@philipagyapong2883]

Arteta must be sacked if he doesn’t win a trophy this season any trophy by the way that’s not to much to ask

[@usmanyau3115]

You guys are just hypocrites, always shifting blame to Gabi. Gani likes to run, and Odegard always delays passes to him. Can anyone tell me when anyone played that type of passes from Skelly made to Sterling or Jesus. That's the type of passes gabi likes, if you look at it that's all down to instructions. It's Arteta not Gabi.

[@Bukaayofan]

Ordegarrd is a number 8 play him there ffs

[@alvinaditya1610]

you cant be serious if you keep defending arteta, he overestimates his squad, and he spent a lot of money buying players, but decided not to sign a striker, arsenal front 3 are the worst out of top 6 teams, we cant score 100 goals from corner kicks only

[@insubordinategoy7466]

Odeguard has created more chances than anyone in the top 5 leagues

[@micah0190]

Not an elite final third creator. He’s an 8 and a very good one. Not a 10.

[@justin4517]

YOu know where I totally desagree with you and in fact I found that stupid is saying if we sack him who would we get in, so how liverpool did? how all the club when they lose a manager do? so if arteta for example decide to go to barcelona what are we supposed to do the club is over?? where this idea come that no one is available, you knew about slot?? maresca?? alonso?? and many others? a gasperini, etc a lot of coaches are available but the arteta lovers want normal people no working in football to find a coach no you have personn paid big amount that have this job, but even tho lot lot of coaches are available!!

[@alvinaditya1610]

i agree, that kind of thinking will only keep arsenal from winning big things, there are many top managers out there

[@ryanfinnerty6239]

Gasperini

[@moviegooner49]

​@@ryanfinnerty6239 He cant speak English and is over 60. He has done wel with less money but premier League is different than serie a So many factors you dont think about. Rather have Arteta.

[@moviegooner49]

​@@alvinaditya1610 But those top managers cant guarantee us fans to do better than Arteta. So many factors contributing come in to play you dont think about

[@justin4517]

@@moviegooner49 again sorry for this again is a stupid argument, if you think like that you do nothing in life, arteta is already doing worst than last season, I can as you the opposite how do you know those managers won’t do better?? They have pedigree, they have background, arteta it will be 6 years 800 millions nothing to show for it where is the success??

[@kastro_mw5943]

Arteta is not the right man for the team

[@Yardieee]

SELL MARTINELLI.HE IS FINISHED.

[@ImmzyP]

Ok

[@thedawgfc1]

Arteta is a coward and his transfer have been rubbish

[@guruprasath5044]

bro i thought you were blond

[@GenericMedusa99]

this man riding on arterta lol xD get off mate give others a chance xD

[@Samuels-nz9em]

These lot will ride on him till the end. Am an Arsenal fan not an Arteta fan, Arsenal existed before him and will even after he is gone

[@GenericMedusa99]

@@Samuels-nz9em i am not an arterta fan boy or any of those sorts neither am i arterta out, but this guy really cast a version of an arterta simp, we need to be very critical, if everyone was like him riding on arterta than the fan base will be quite toxic by itself