Castle Super Beast Clips: Squeeze Sports Games For Maximum Suck

[@DrRyan82994]

that's what happens when you have a monopoly on making the game for the league that has a monopoly on a sport

[@sharkodile22]

I recently talked to my brother about this as he's a big sports game fan (Madden, NBA,) and he lead me to some enlightenment on this subject. You guys were dead on when you were talking about how sports fans just want the faces and the stats of the real players, but you undersold the point. They literally don't care about _fuck all_ else but it being a sport simulator. This complaining you're hearing about? A goddamn fraction of a fraction of the people who buy these games. They could piss, moan, fight, fucking Molotov a police station for all anyone ultimately gives a shit. As long as there's a monopoly on the licensing, vast majority of their consumers will keep buying these shitty games.

[@RippahRooJizah]

I more or less figured this out a while back. You have people who like the entertainment, and you have people who know about the events surrounding the entertainment. This is why I feel, should EA die out, there would be a massive vacuum in the game industry. Regardless of how we feel about sports games (I don't mind them existing, really. Who am I to say there *can't* be a yearly football game), EA positioned itself that the company going away would be an amputation to the gaming market. Heck I know a guy who has outright said to me the only games he plays are the current sports games.

[@sharkodile22]

​@@normandy2501 I really do feel for those who want some kind of competitive depth out of these games and have to deal with shit literally made to order for manbabies, _actual_ babies, and whales. Capcom's done some fucked up shit, at least they aren't pandering to the 12 year olds who want to buy cool skins, mash buttons into beating their friends _once,_ and never touch the game again.

[@sharkodile22]

@@RippahRooJizah EA going under would be interesting, but that's not the root of the problem. It started when the sports industry as a whole decided to sell their license to the highest bidder. The NFL, NBA, NHL, whoever the fuck could fix all this by selling their shit to developers who actually care about making good games instead of robbing people. It's gonna have to be a scandal. Uncovered legal and moral dubiousness within EA so great that professional sports leagues have no choice but to disassociate with them. Unfortunately they'd likely just sell to the next highest bidder, so it's a gamble.

[@generalpenny]

That's actually true. People really don't care as long as the face of a certain player is there. That's the entire sports game industry as it's been for decades.

[@generalpenny]

@Essence Wolf And that's the issue. They will never realize that because that's just the average consumer. A shame really, but it's how it is with all media.

[@tylergregoire1763]

Sport games have always been marketed to people who don’t play video games, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. How unfortunate.

[@happyjam92]

I don't think people who exclusively play sports games and cod count as real gamers. They buy the same games over and over again and even mindlessly pay for microtransactions. They're a big problem for the gaming industry.

[@Xx1devilgod1xX]

@Essence Wolf They mean those who exclusively play those kind of games, I know some guys like those, they think any other kind of game is for children and CoD-like and sports games are the only things worth playing.

[@Copperhell144]

@Essence Wolf Well I mean yeah, usually minimizing an entire medium you don't know much about is a legit reason to be disliked

[@Copperhell144]

@Essence Wolf Because people don't live in bubbles where their actions don't affect anybody else's, and these peoples' desire to just buy and play sports games for full price that keep getting more and more shitty with their practices are 1. causing distraught for people that like sports games but would also like them to be better and 2. generally harming the video game industry itself and 3. everyone should always do their best to make sure the money goes towards whomever deserves it more or else the world becomes a worse place.

[@Copperhell144]

@Essence Wolf They verifiably don't get sick of the terrible sports games though, except for if they move away from video games, that's the whole essence of the issue. And even if they did, a bigger population of younger people take their place soon enough.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

I think the reason why Yakuza ads are acceptable while other ads in games aren't is because not only does it fit the hyper-realist nature of Yakuza (he says while Kiryu dodges missiles and rockets), but the Ads are almost completely non-interruptive. You're not getting interrupted by a commercial for Mandom deodorant every 5 seconds, instead its more like you see it in the background and you go "Hey, I know what that is. That's neat" and you continue on your way. Really, I think that's the trick to good and bad ad shilling in a game. As long as the ads don't interrupt the videogame in any significant way, and instead are just background noise, then you get a pass. Heck, ads as background might be better advertisement as well, because then you get the sort of subliminal "man, I'm thirsty. I could go for a Vernors" as your character passes by a poster that your conscious brain barely processes. Really, as long as you get to play the videogame, and the ads don't interrupt or distract you from the videogame, I feel most people probably would be fine-ish for the most part.

[@TrixTrix228]

Remember that one sidequest in 0 that had a kickass theme just specific for that one sidequest involving pizza?

[@blackjacktrial]

Or when hostesses comment on how they love your smell when you equip branded deodorant like AXE?

[@RippahRooJizah]

Or the Rizap sidequests?

[@carl8790]

Racing games have being doing this for a while now. And its purpose at the beginning was for immersion instead of ads shilling. Now with newer games, it serves as both. It's a good balance between immersion for 'real world' experience, plus the developers/publishers can make extra $ with product placement, since it made sense seeing those ads on a race track.

[@Metaphizzle]

21:55 "Make me laugh at how disgusting you're being, and you get a free pass." Pat shares how he's escaped arrest for so long.

[@BloodEyesDragon]

Two thoughts: 1) The official sports license matters not to me. Just make the game good (and replace the players with either big tiddy anime girls or stylish mechs) and I'll be back in. 2) Yakuza, once again, proving by example that things CAN be done right.

[@ggdouble98]

Can't wait until we get ads for the next NBA game in a NBA game

[@gamerguy6990]

Don't games with an online feature of sort already do that middle earth and borderlands come to mind as both games told me to pre order the newest game

[@shooterb0y23]

NBA 2K19 PRESENTS: NBA 2K20 PREORDER NOW

[@blackjacktrial]

Happened the last 2k basketball games

[@Abdega]

*CONSUME PRODUCT!*

[@bulletprooflfo7421]

There is commentary line for NBA 2k19 that occasionally plays when a timeout is called, and it is essentially just one of the commentators talking about Gatorade non stop for about thirty seconds.

[@ItsMichaelReid]

Bulletproof LFO the realism I expect from my games xD

[@TheStrxggler]

Once again, NBA Street Vol.2 was the best it has ever been. Sports games peeked way early.

[@Copperhell144]

I don't think a genre that started in the 60's (I'm taking 1967 Crown Soccer Special as the first here) counts as "peaking early" at 2003 - that's a lot of time to mature man

[@mikeclarke3990]

Clearly never played NBA Live '95

[@Copperhell144]

@@mikeclarke3990 Clearly never played NBA Street

[@the.musiciangamer]

If Netflix started showing ads, I would immediately cancel my subscription.

[@tyrelle000]

Itd be nice If they had a free option that had ads and lowered the cost of the normal subscription

[@RavenCloak13]

MusicianGamer Apparently Netflix is considering doing that right now from what I heard.

[@francescolombardi3438]

and so the cycle repeats

[@kmoney890]

To this day I'll never forget when I was younger and my older brother used to write down entire seasons worth of roser changes in the NFL and personally did the work himself to update it I don't even think he plays sports games anymore

[@kojiro00]

What Pat is talking about reminds me of the Power Rangers movie and their not so subtle Krispy Kream brand deal It's so dumb and so in your face that I couldn't help but laugh everytime someone said Krispy Kream HECK! IT'S EVEN SUPER RELEVANT TO THE FUCKING PLOT OF THE MOVIE!!

[@Noelle808]

All the batteries in Alan Wake (basically ammo for your flashlight) were Energizer branded, too.

[@GOLDFINGER-24k]

The only way to fight true darkness: Energizer.

[@OtherBross]

@@GOLDFINGER-24k Duracell works for the shadows.

[@CaptainTitforce]

To be honest, Alan Wake is made by such a small team that they wouldn't ever be able to do a game like this otherwise. Quantum Break was too much tho.

[@Samm815]

@@CaptainTitforce What happened in Quantum Break?

[@CaptainTitforce]

@@Samm815 oh the game was just full of Nissan cars and ads to the point where it was actually distracting when you noticed it.

[@DualEdgest]

But making the ad interesting takes effort and effort harms the company's bottom line.

[@nathanmarshall745]

I remember there were like, 2 billboards in Saints Row 2 that were specifically made for actual ads instead of the spoof ads you see everywhere else in the game, i only noticed it when it turned into a captain morgan ad, then a few days later it changed to a Friday the 13th (the 09 remake) ad

[@Nel_Annette]

Oh yeah, I remember that blowing my mind back in the day. XD

[@Suzakuux]

The Yakuza ads like the one for the restaurant Pat was talking about could also be seen as promoting potential tourism lol

[@jkbobful]

FF7 Remake brought to u by 7 UP drink it for LUCKY 7s

[@zigmus00A]

Theres should a scummy and blatant ad of Barret wanting to get this cool and refreshing drink for his troops in the ff7remake.

[@bearandthebull2372]

@@zigmus00A Only if he stares at the screen for an uncomfortable amount of time.

[@QuasarKnightGaming]

zigmus00A You want a Sprite Cranberry from the Lord?

[@ArosNacht]

NBA Oops all ads

[@4Wilko]

NBA 2020 Ads. There are 2020 ads in it.

[@boldandbrash9447]

NBA Jam(med with ads)

[@amahrle2767]

God imagine if other games had ads like Sports games have. Imagine the hell of playing the next Final Fantasy and before each battle you saw an ad for like Grubhub or something unrelated.

[@OnionTaylorJoy]

This spell is brought to you by Mountain Dew.

[@repththemant9691]

As far as i've got with people buying shit games, it seems to be an information problem. For every consumer who makes an informed decision about a game, dozens if not more just go "hey the new version of my basketball game came out" and thats it. They don't even know about the more scummy stuff cause they don't care to look

[@suddenllybah]

Woolie, that was also true of cable tb, it being ad free.

[@r15835]

Omfg, i FORGOT cable didn't have ads at first!!!!

[@SideswipePrime606]

Man...I really hope that doesn't end up happening to Netflix.

[@heyllo1337]

That's insane. Between that and the terrible world we live in due to pharma ads I hate it.

[@ZeroXMachina1]

Hulu’s model is even sillier because by their own admission, they don’t choose the amount of commercials for the $6 subscription. I’ve contacted support and they tell you that commercials are based on popularity of the show, so you can pay to reduce commercials EXCEPT for big time shows or shows you may have gotten Hulu just to watch.

[@topsicles5268]

"Yakuza:Dead Souls is pretty good"~Patrick Boivine

[@rockdragon3]

people mock Ready Player One for being pure nostalgia bait but lets be real, they hit the nail RIGHT on the head with the skeezy companies monetizing the SHIT out of the games they make and that like about "we can sell 87% of the players non essential viewspace before we might start inducing seizures" bullshit. because thats happening RIGHT NOW.

[@ghostfear2011]

Hulu now has ad-free, which is even more than just subscribing to the service.

[@carlosfred8673]

The Yakuza games are too lovable for me to care.

[@shiloh1422]

Pretty sure madden 06 was the 1st one where you could choose the time of day and that shit blew my mind

[@kirbyfanprime]

All this talk of ads and Square-Enix games and you forget PE1 and 2 with the refreshing taste of COCA-COLA.

[@TrixTrix228]

holy shit i actually forgot about that. it's an mp recovery item too lol

[@kirbyfanprime]

@Essence Wolf Yeah, I was bringing it up as a case of good advertising. Innocuous at first glance, and hilariously absurd on closer inspection. Kinda like the Cup Noodle or Yakuza ones.

[@albertzinger7132]

And Shenmue.

[@invertin]

I think another element of this that you guys missed out on in relation to Yakuza and normal Sports games before this bullshit and even the Alan Wake example which is that the ads do not INTERRUPT the game. You can walk right past that TV in Alan Wake, you can play Yakuza totally fine the game does not prevent you from playing more of the game to stare at an ad, the president talking scene is just another PART of the game, a patently absurd one, sure, but like, you just talk to a dude for a while. That's Yakuza, you do that in Yakuza. Meanwhile, this new example just puts a hand on your chest and says "hey no, hold up a sec" before you walk into the part of the game you actually paid money to enjoy.

[@jlmd2494]

Cloud should be riding a Yamaha manufactured bike in the remake

[@Ketsuekisan]

Nah, just make it an actual Harley-Davidson instead of a Hardy-Daytona.

[@blackjacktrial]

I'm working on how to include ads into food products as you eat them. It's an untapped market.

[@blackjacktrial]

There's also potential in the pay to eat model, and a potential for gray market scavenged food keys.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Create a food that causes the impulse to say the slogan of the company that produced it, almost like in the outer worlds

[@unversedhero6028]

My plan is to stock up on as many single player games (with replay value) as I can in preparation for the coming videogame industry crash that is quickly approaching.

[@jgn]

One of them must be Dragons Dogma.

[@unversedhero6028]

@@jgn Already played it.

[@adams3627]

Listening to this now, I'm reminded of a guy who bothered to write in to game informer (i think, ir's been a while) to tell them that ESPN NFL 2k5 was going to be the last football game he ever bought. Because it had a robust team creator, and was better than that year's Madden, and the very next year EA bought exclusive rights to the NFL license, so he figured the games would never get any better. And he was right and has been proven more right every year!

[@silentjesterxvbz]

What I hate the most about ads is the ones where they always try to hard to be quirky and funny and you end up like that guy screaming 'STOP FUCKING STOP!' at the top of your lungs because there taking something you like and slapping a big burger sticker on it saying 'buy our burgers'. Like has there ever been a Avant garde esq ad that was just some guy walks up to a screen and says "just buy our food, it's good" and walks off?

[@Idnesra]

Unfortunately, when the advertising is that subtle, it's proven ineffective. Pat's idea of making like 10x disgusting but optional is probably the best bet because you at least have to see the products names before going to close it for the Nth time that gaming session.

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

Theres actually a few ads like that now, like those bank ones that say they cut the ad in 5 secs to not waste your time

[@fearanger1]

"I remember people getting real pissed off at Hulu where, it's like, "Why am I paying x dollars a month for Hulu, and now I'm seeing a fucking commercial in my fucking face?"" Is that more recent? Because Foxtel has been doing that for FUCKING YEARS Down Under.

[@linSP.]

Just wait until the ads have ads

[@ProxyDoug]

What is FFVII Remake has an ad for RuPaul's Drag Race with the actual RuPaul in it?

[@Atrahasis7]

To be fair what is happening in videogame land was expected. I am glad we got this little golden age that was the 90s and early 00s and we ahve been living in its fumes. Consoles were always meant to be the arcade experience at home, and pcs for weirdos. Arcades were the most greedy shit imaginable on par with microtransactions and horrible mmos. Corps like EA just gravitate towards it naturally and videogames wont be unscathed at the end of this. But at the very least just cal them gambling.

[@Kydino]

Arcades were greedy but they also rewarded skill. I'm still proud of myself that I can beat metal slug in less than 4 continues and sometimes even less. You don't that option nowadays.

[@swagtasticpanda]

I just want nba streets back. Arcade style sports games have been stolen from the games industry since 2007 damnit.

[@Copperhell144]

I always imagine that having arcade style but still unique video games about the same sports might be a problem though.

[@ghostfear2011]

Also Sirius doesn’t do ads anymore.

[@Zach0451]

Vote with your wallet. Not really anything else to say.

[@heyllo1337]

Good luck convincing a majority to do that.

[@Copperhell144]

Except also make sure every other voter out there is more educated about the matter they're voting about than they currently are. Doesn't tend to work though.

[@goliath6711]

Hobo Frodo If there’s not a more overused catchphrase that instantly activates my gag reflex every I see or hear it, it’s this...

[@SupernaturalMonkey]

Is there a free way to watch the podcast that I’m unaware of? When I’ve tried to watch it on Twitch it says subscribers only.

[@glippyglopgigoop5297]

Spotify's the way to go. That's how I listen.

[@Quatermiester]

Paid for the game but the company still suckin'

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I wanna point out about NBA 2K19: *You can turn them off. Go to your profile settings and turn off 2KTV, you will not get ads because the entire news segment is now cut out.* Take note this isn't a defense. This IS absolute scum to do, especially to do later in the same game's life. BUT it is fixable, they just hid the option for it like the slimy bastards they are. They got your 3 buck Switch purchase because it got thrown down to that price and they absolutely took advantage of that in a scummy way.

[@sleepythemis]

I haven't been actively searching for news on this so don't quote me, I might be wrong, but I saw a lot of people saying that this doesn't seem to actually disable them/only reduces the rate at which they show up...? But I'm not sure...

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@sleepythemis I've heard this from people like Nintendo Prime who extensively played the game on Switch. I'll need to double-check it myself to be sure

[@DrewperttheGnome]

Pepsiman is pretty disgusting with ads for pepsi, but it's LITERALLY in the title. They're ALLOWED to eye-fuck you with pepsi

[@kovulion7777]

I mean in the end of the day, Twitch Streamers reading off comments are basically advertisements

[@oradrive745]

You can actually go in the settings and turn off the adds

[@FightCain]

I don’t use Hulu anymore but I remember that I could watch subtitled anime for free without an account but now, they blocked that and even if you pay cheapest subscription, I heard you still had to deal with ads.

[@randomfox12245]

"Isn't that a licensing nightmare?" Brands in Japan fucking BATTLE ROYAL for the opportunity to get free advertising in a Yakuza game dude, are you kidding me?

[@bennymountain1]

Oh man, now I get it. The title of this segment is a fleshlight joke?

[@TailzP]

I'm surprised they never got to Red Bull and Street Fighter

[@edfreak9001]

It probably wouldn't help, but I wonder if anything would change if someone just made a really solid modular sports game (different engine/game for any particular spot of course) and people could literally just add in the names, stats, and icons themselves. Oh look this free fan project is not only just as good as Madden, save for the Ultra Realistic TV Program Grafix, you can now just swap out a folder of .txt files to get the same effect as buying the next year's Madden game.

[@varietywiarrior]

I have the solution to the yearly sports game problem. Release a new title maybe every 3-5 years and make it a subscription service(maybe $5/month) instead, and when a new player joins a team, patch them in. When somebody retires, patch them out.

[@reco5able]

I would also add racing games as well

[@benepic3101]

God, I fear this happening with runeterra so much. Tbh, it makes me paranoid for blizzard going under, because without hearthstone there as competition what’s stopping runeterra from becoming hearthstone

[@bluefighter4612]

I hate ads

[@afterpasthours7504]

The audience for sports game must literally be 80%+ made up of the CORE audience, the audience that doesn’t keep up with major gaming news, the people that are sports fans first who happen to buy sports related video-games because they love the sport, the people that will crack open their wallets because they don’t understand why it could be wrong that they’re being wrung for every cent they can take. Even if the 20 or so % stop supporting these games because they are the ones that can see what’s happening it wouldn’t matter, to the much more average layman it’s just an annual sports video game about their favourite goddamned sport and they are more than willing to buy year after year because it’s THEIR SPORT.

[@vincentsalvatore7698]

Jesus Pat is such a French goblin. Go back to the gym man. You looked good then.

[@heyllo1337]

I didnt want to say it. But deer god yeah. And its significant from last week to this week. I think it was all when that red bull contract happened. Meanwhile, woolie is on his way to his best self.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Jesus Christ..

[@Abdega]

Non-consensual Ad-ssault

[@LeviGratton]

Heheheheh squeeze

[@MegaPieru3000]

But this podcast isn't free...

[@johnbuscher]

???

[@MegaPieru3000]

@@johnbuscher If I want to watch this entire podcast on Twitch, I have to subscribe, and that costs 5 bucks. This is just one part of the big podcast available on Twitch.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@MegaPieru3000 Or you could go to their website and get the entire audio version for free, did you miss that?

[@MegaPieru3000]

@@UltimaKeyMaster I want the Twitch chat.

[@MegaPieru3000]

@Cuong Le It's part of it for me!!

[@kdash3760]

Shit fighter 5 led the way

[@generalhayes2332]

ew sport gamers