Worf Solves "Cause and Effect"

It's always bothered me that the crew's devotion to denying Worf is what causes all their problems.

[@RyansEdits]

Relevant: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGbEqJaPbZyFatE Picard Solves "Ensigns of Command": kzbin.info/www/bejne/npOndJeDbZ2Cm7s

[@CatsMeow_]

Nice! I love Door Monster!

[@TiptronicSS]

More alternate endings Ryan! 😂

[@LeoLionxyzed]

Ah, a man of culture I see.

[@kurtreznor]

Clicked, watched, laughed, went to tap 'like' but it is already liked.

[@AzaleaJane]

Doesn't matter just leave 🎶

[@FusionAero]

Michael Dorn himself said it best when he was asked to describe his character; "When an alien ship appears, I always say that we should blast it out of the sky! They then say that I am being warlike and impulsive, and we need to understand them better, but eventually they come around to my way of thinking."

[@omalleycaboose5937]

Nice

[@skippythealien9627]

it always makes me laugh b/c Michael Dorn in real life is the furthest personality you can imagine from Worf lol but he nailed it perfectly i think i read somewhere that for his audition he went fully in character, so he didn't smile at anyone. Didn't make any small talk. And left without saying goodbye. lmfao that's hilarious

[@donovanulrich348]

Rule 35 Peace is also good for business But Warf respects order, and 34 comes first 34 War is good for business 😂😂

[@hoppy6437]

Worf's main purpose was to get mauled by various aliens in order to show how tough they were.

[@robertnett9793]

Hm... the security chief I play on our Star Trek Adventures table ... isn't allow to make first contacts anymore. But I only ONCE initiated first contact with the phaser battieries... Just ONCE. And THEY started it with hitting our ship with strange time warping radiation!

[@Unclevertitle]

I love how picard's reaction to Worf's suggestion in this context feels like Picard's annoyed at himself for not thinking of the obvious solution.

[@Dargonhuman]

So true.

[@Milnoc]

Riker seemed even more annoyed because Jonathan Frakes can't direct the remainder of the episode anymore. 😁

[@raven4k998]

but in the real episode he does not even try it he's like na we will stay the course it's just a warp core breach that we are headed for no need to panic yet

[@HisDudeness1986]

@@Milnoc I was thinking he was elated to have been in the shortest staff meeting of his military career lol

[@SaturnDreamingofMercury]

@@raven4k998 IIRC, Riker's reply is basically "For all we know, reversing course is what got us in to this." Which is a good point when you're faced with a temporal causality loop, hence why they continued on course. But it's still an amusing one of those "You just _had_ to ignore Worf" moments 😆

[@jebediahkerman8245]

We need a whole series where the captain listens to Worf and the episode is immediately resolved.

[@IngoPagels]

titel: Star Trek Worf ^^

[@bskillet2568]

Prepare for Worf Speed!

[@posindustries]

That's called Deep Space Nine.

[@jebediahkerman8245]

@@posindustries Haha nice

[@christopherlundgren1700]

A lot of the episodes would be "Captain, I recommend solving the problem with violence!" "Sounds good to me, Mr. Worf." EXPLOSION

[@alexsummers9140]

I loved this episode when it first came out. Our low budget tv station that ran first run TNG always had goofs. So after the first collision, then commercial break, and they started all over, I literally thought the idiot at the tv station played it from the beginning again.

[@drjohnleewilliamsiii]

I love this. Humans used to make little errors, but it really wasn't too big a deal. Now we've left the decisions to computers and when they screw up, the whole TV station comes crashing down. Instead of a show picking up in the wrong place, you get a whole lot of nothing instead. Point of fact, though: when these episodes first came out, the TV station was playing it from a tape. So the idiot at the TV station would have had to accidentally rewind the tape to accidentally start from the beginning.

[@valeon7303]

Time loops are best watched on devices or stations that are known to do this. I once watched a movie on my phone and when the loop happened I thought "crap did I accidentally tap the progress bar with my thumb again? Only to realize that no, the characters were equally confused"

[@withershin]

Same here. I can vividly remember watching this on a Thursday night and after the commercial break thinking something was wrong. Today this is more normal but when this aired this wasn't a common TV trope (or whatever word is better) yet.

[@Sigurther]

Ha! I get the same feeling when modern streaming shows use the glitch or time freeze tropes - immediately think my Comcast internet is on the fritz. Same thing with the 'suddenly there's no sound' trope - I wonder if i've finally gone completely deaf. 😅

[@jstnrgrs]

Yep, that was my experience too.

[@thatkid1912]

I laughed so hard when the credits began

[@claytonkennedy4187]

Same!!

[@davidmelton3704]

Yep I loved that. So simple. Reminds me of Screen Rant’s Pitch Meetings. Producer: “But why do that [highly illogical thing]?” Writer: “So the show can happen.”

[@lokidecat]

I audibly snickered.. like "listen to Worf!"

[@benjaminscott8198]

Yeah, couldn't be helped. Are these Quick Jaunts instead of Star Treks?

[@benny3969]

Beat me to it.

[@dcb_75]

"Hey guys, the episode is running a little short this week. What happened?" "Listened to Worf"

[@dangerouslytalented]

Could be worse. Could have listened to Wesley.

[@ChibiKami]

@@dangerouslytalented that starts episodes

[@ruckboger]

@@ChibiKami hahahaha

[@kevinstull8552]

@@dangerouslytalented "Shut up Wesley!" LOL

[@stanknight9159]

@@dangerouslytalented Shut up Wesley. (I know Kevin said it first but still)

[@sarahscott5305]

Worf: We could reverse course, maybe? Geordie: Maybe that caused the problem though...? Picard: Nah, we can't start second-guessing ourselves. Best to just do nothing. Worf: But... but... if time just resets again anyway, we lose nothing in the attempt... so why not- Picard: Can-it already, Worf. Nobody cares what you think

[@HariSeldon913]

Or how about: G: Maybe that caused the problem. W: There would have been absolutely no reason to reverse course the first time through the loop, so it is illogical that we did so.

[@philbattiste9649]

I just wish they gave us 1 episode where Worf gives good advice and saves the day. Just 1.

[@MrDooteronomy]

@@Dave-rd6sp Facts.

[@RWhettstone]

@@Dave-rd6sp Yes but Keiko pooped a little.

[@ZipplyZane]

Because, if leaving doesn't work, they won't know it didn't work, and will keep trying it again and again ad infinitum. However, once the idea of sending a message through the loop is floated, then it would work very well. Just send the message "leave."

[@jordyb9063]

This Worf denial always bothered me. It’s nearly impossible that a decision to reverse course based on the feeling of past events could have originally brought you into the disaster.

[@whompronnie]

That's a good point. They should have known that they had knowledge that their first iterations didn't, so reversing course is something their first iteration probably wouldn't have done. Though it can be hard to wrap your brain around time twisting phenomena, even as a good writer

[@EvanG529]

Well they don't know that this isn't some infinite loop. Like one of them said, that very decision could have them stuck in the loop. There's no way to know.

[@synthetic240]

Exactly. In the first loop, you'd have no reason to double back.

[@EvanG529]

@@synthetic240 unless there is no first loop

[@pseudotasuki]

@@EvanG529 There's no reason to believe that.

[@vorpal120]

I laughed out loud when the credits showed up. Logic dictates that the original incident had no prior loop information and therefore reversing course because of the loop definitely isn’t what caused it to occur in the first place. Data should have totally backed up Worf here.

[@ericmooney5740]

Not necessarily true, they could have easily reversed course for any number of reasons before there was a loop or a first explosion that led them to the encounter in the first place. Thats why picard says in the original episode they shouldn't reverse course until they need to and Riker says for all they know that's what leads to the crash.

[@HuntingTarg]

@@ericmooney5740 The other episode involving a temporal loop (IDR name, where Enterprise finds a duplicate shuttlecraft & Picard) is already locked into the loop when events begin; that is an example of information from ahead of the timestream closing, rather than destabilizing, the looped timestream.

[@Corrodias]

@@ericmooney5740 But which is the more likely scenario, that 1) some unrelated event convinced them to reverse course at exactly this point the first time and now, in all future loops, that unrelated event isn't occurring at all but they independently happen to be choosing to do so at exactly the same time, or 2) there wasn't an unexplained event at all and they didn't happen to reverse course? Surely, they should go with the more likely one for now, especially considering there's zero cost and zero apparent price (just repeating again) for choosing wrong.

[@cmatthews718]

@@Corrodias Exactly. Once you realize you're in a loop, reversing/changing course is literally the first thing you try. There's nothing to lose and it's the most likely solution.

[@Adam-yy2kj]

@@ericmooney5740The smart thing to do would be to go in a completely random direction that you have absolutely no pre-existing reason to go to.

[@EvilSandwich]

You have to love the ONE time they actually listened to Worf in the show, he was legit taken off guard and actually stopped to thank them for taking his advice.

[@003Jetfire]

What episode?

[@AzathothLives]

@@003Jetfire IIRC it was when romulans they were working with asked for computers, and Worf objected to Riker. Riker thought about it, then suggested giving them old equipment instead. Worf said that should be an acceptable risk, then thanked him for listening to his concern. Can't remember the episode name though.

[@003Jetfire]

@@AzathothLives Ooh yes that rings a bell. Cheers

[@KarmasAB123]

@@AzathothLives Was that the one were the La Forge and Troi are chasing an invisible spy?

[@andrewdevita629]

@@KarmasAB123 It was actually Ensign Ro in that episode.

[@fantomflasch2289]

A more "modern" solution: If you assume that a collision causes the event, use the data from the voice recordings they picked up to seed a random number generator, then use the result to create a new heading. Since each reset creates new distortion data, it should be unique for every loop. Then it is incredibly unlikely they will collide with the same object every time.

[@hadorstapa]

Ooh, that’s interesting. No doubt there’d be some discussion over whether the random number generation can be programmed sufficiently randomly (like Data’s shuffling of the cards) but ultimately as you say there is enough of a resonant noise in the repetitions to cause small changes.

[@fantomflasch2289]

@@hadorstapa With how random number generators work, a unique seed passed into the algorithm should get a unique result. If the seed is generated by information unique to the loop (the cumulative distortion of all past loops), it should safely have a unique result (whether or not that heading difference is enough to avoid the collision). Really I would assume minute physical differences between each loop would always create new RNG results normally, but since Data's shuffling remained the same, I wouldn't rely on it and the "loop generated number" is a safer bet.

[@starbase218]

Of course they'd have to do that every time again, in the exact same way. Not likely if they don't remember experiences from previous loops. But then... they do actually start to remember what happened in previous loops. Otherwise they wouldn't have had the feeling of deja vu in the first place. So, actually, they were always going to come out of this anyway. Which actually makes it very unlikely the Bozeman would have been stuck in that loop for 90 years.

[@fantomflasch2289]

@@bostonrailfan2427 More or less, the main difference was Data's solution required two split-second decisions right before the collision happened in two time loops, while the other would be a decision made at the conference table.

[@peter9477]

@@starbase218 The captain of the Bozeman was so blasé about the whole thing I think it's totally credible he'd be stuck there for 90 years. Edit: though as others reminded us in other comments, the Bozeman was stuck there with the Enterprise for only a few weeks. Its jump from 90 years ago was part of what started the loop, but it wasn't in its own loop for 90 years.

[@marscaleb]

"Changing course might be what puts us in the loop!" "The loop started without us having any prior knowledge of the loop, so that could only put us in the loop if some other event causes us to change course." "I still can't do it though." "Why not?" "We have another 30 minutes of content for this episode."

[@gortab]

"We could reverse course away from the anomaly and dick around in the holodeck for 30 minutes to fill up screen time?"

[@WakenerOne]

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Wow.

[@lluewhyn]

@@WakenerOne So the movie can happen!

[@punishedbearzerker5400]

Data saving the day is the 1 lbs of cure. Listening to Worf is the 1 oz of prevention.

[@FiXato]

Would that be an avoirdupois ounce, a US customary fluid ounce, an imperial fluid ounce, or a metric ounce?

[@ptah956]

@@FiXato Are any of those ounces larger than any version of a pound? If any are, not that one.

[@FiXato]

@@ptah956 whatever ounce it is, I'd rather not have it pounded into me by Worf.

[@ReptilianLepton]

@@FiXato Worf's advice is gold, so it would be 1 Troy oz.

[@FiXato]

@@ReptilianLepton :D

[@BlueBoxRevan]

Worf was right. Roll credits. Thank you for supporting the Worf is always right foundation.

[@NathanaelCrapo]

WARF... I mean KARF lol those letters are close together... I could see how one could get confused lol. jk :P

[@BlueBoxRevan]

@@NathanaelCrapo thank you for supporting WARF 😂

[@kobayashibrynhild9622]

@@NathanaelCrapo well yeah. We should support both foundations tbf

[@nogem1]

I like to think of this foundation you literally just informed me exists as more of a continuum

[@bpdmf2798]

In the whole of TNG, Worf is correct like 99% of the time and if they just listened to him straight up they would be fine.

[@badradish2116]

this is why you dont mess with klingons. well this is one reason anyway.

[@bOmBAsTiK]

That's why DS9 Worf is the superior depiction...

[@HuntingTarg]

Worf isn't right nearly that much (he'd be up there with data if he was); But disregarding a Klingon's instincts is about as advisable as disregarding the instincts of the horse one is riding.

[@imnotgivingmynametoamachine683]

lol they would also leave a trail of wreckage and dead innocents in their wake (but the enterprise would probably be fine)

[@ffwast]

@Stef Pugsley yes "kill them all" temporarily solves the initial problem, but the beauty of it is simplicity and reusability, just apply it again until there's no more problems left.

[@angrydalek]

Bringing Worf to DS9 and actually having a captain who LISTENED and acted on what he said was really nice.

[@Zhortac]

Sisko: we have a massive fleet of klingons coming at my station, and they're ready for a fight. How should we handle this? Worf: fight them. Make the station ready for a fight Sisko: ....very well, I'll inform O'Brian to get our new weapon system ready Worf: very well, I'll try to talk to...wait what?

[@richardkenan2891]

Worf was also allowed to be effective in a fight in DS9. He was the legitimate badass Klingon Warrior he was supposed to be all along, not just the guy they brought out when they needed to show that the adversary of the day was tough by having them beat up a tough guy.

[@datacipher]

Having a dope-addled pothead for a captain is no point of pride. Nobody on the crew knew whether he'd giggle like a school-girl in a serious moment, or growl with deadly seriousness in a light-hearted moment. The actors didn't know either so they just had to act around him lol. Avery Brooks = buffoon pothead.

[@JMTavares7]

This always bothered me, because on top of what everyone else is saying "how Worf's suggestion is no less valid than what they actually do in the episode", the writers were CLEARLY AWARE of this plothole. Worf (the dumb character) is given this line, and then immediately dismissed to trick the audience into also believing this suggestion is dumb. Had this line been absence, I suspect way more people notice this plot-hole. Genius, but dirty.

[@waterinmyotter6245]

It’s a writing technique called ‘lampshading’. It stops viewers/readers dwelling on the plot hole by addressing it in the story and then immediately dismissing it and moving on, thereby putting it out of the audience’s mind.

[@JMTavares7]

@@waterinmyotter6245 wow really! I’ve always been aware and annoyed when it happens but never knew it had a name. That’s kind of cool.

[@Havron]

@Paul Thomas Politicians, too.

[@qwopiretyu]

"That's too simple." Nancy Drew said, deceptively...

[@thexalon]

Worf is many things, but it's abundantly clear to anyone who was paying attention that he's not dumb, at all.

[@A407RAC]

Worf saves the day... because they listened to him for once heh

[@karelfinn2343]

Every single time the Enterprise gets caught in a time loop - and yes, it happens enough times to establish a pattern - the solution they decide on is "let's do nothing and hope that fixes it." Props to Worf for actually thinking things through.

[@sandal_thong8631]

They should have done his idea, then we find the ship comes out of the anomaly and collides with them regardless of their position in space.

[@roshieifra]

This is so true. Makes me remember how in The Next Phase (I think that was the title), Worf actually thanked Riker for listening to his very sensible advice to not give the Romulans any of the federations more recent computer/tech. He was actually grateful to be heard, lol.

[@HuntingTarg]

Good recollection. Worf's preoccupation with security - both tactical and strategic - often was overridden or sidelined for diplomatic or exploratory reasons. As Picard put it in "Peak Performance"; "Starfleet is not a military organization." In the instance you pointed out, Worf wasn't expressing a merely personal opinion - he was supporting both the military and intelligence strategic interests of the Federation.

[@tbeller80]

Also in The Wounded, Worf started out the episode distrustful of Cardassians because they just ended their war with them. Troi was like "well now we have to trust them." Worf squashed that idea quick and wasn't ridiculed. Also Picard compromised with him on security. Worf wanted them under guard, but Picard told him to just seal off the sensitive parts of the ship. When one of the Cardassians got caught looking at a computer, and Worf just about kicked his butt, everybody sided with Worf.

[@TimDavis77]

As long as he’s not up against doors or barrels, Worf has skills.

[@lauranolastnamegiven3385]

or possessed crewmates (Deanna breaking his arm)

[@scockery]

So is the USS Bozeman still stuck in its own loop of tossed salad and scrambled eggs. They're looping again!

[@FiXato]

They just don't know what to do with it!

[@faintsignal]

🤣

[@FiXato]

Should've been Martin Crane in that captain's chair though. He'd already been sitting in a chair for years that used leftover TOS fabric for its upholstery.

[@MrDooteronomy]

What IS a Boze to do?

[@FiXato]

@@MrDooteronomy Good night Utopia Planetia!

[@richtea615]

My man Worf keeping it real. No fancy technobabble, just turn around and leave or blow it the hell up.

[@matthewmcneany]

50% of TNG episodes could have avoided disaster if someone just asked _what if we don't poke it with a stick?_

[@NimhLabs]

Our five year journey--to poke things with stick and then boldy act surprised when a metaphorical swarm of hornets come out! **begin song**

[@effdiffeyeno171]

Seriously? Have you never heard of the "Janeway" method? 1. Encounter nebula. 2. Enter nebula. If you did this in guardians of the galaxy, congratulations. She's lovely when you get to know her. 👍

[@Knight_Astolfo]

Tasha would still be alive

[@rushthezeppelin]

@@effdiffeyeno171 you forgot 3. See if there's coffee is said nebula

[@angelofdeath1072]

that is relevant for all Star Trek series

[@edibleapeman2]

If two puny little starships colliding is enough to fracture the spacetime continuum, wtf happens during black hole mergers? Stellar collisions? Galactic intersections?

[@whompronnie]

Frasier's ship just encountered a pre-existing fracture that they were already caught up in, and Enterprise ran into them. From the way Frasier reacted, they hadn't noticed a loop at all, or at least to the extent that they would have noticed it in decades of looping, which means the fissure was probably originally a "standard" time displacement that brought them to the future, and the collision altered it to become a time loop.

[@Paulafan5]

Starships colliding doesn't do anything in normal space. But the warp core explosion in the anomaly causes the space-time rupture.

[@billtree52]

Your mom is a galactic intersection! Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@sciencoking]

I love that people are arguing about this.

[@freshdoug]

I think it's just because that spot itself was a fracture in time. More importantly, why does a scrape of a warp nacelle cause a ship to explode? If that's all it takes then enemy ships should always target the nacelles.

[@maikutsukino4743]

I love how you put this one together. Makes it look like Picard was immediately like "Well, f*ck, that solves that." type of deal. Command decision at its best!

[@Stephen_The_Waxing_Lyricist]

But in doing so, they never got to meet Sideshow Bob!

[@whompronnie]

Like the episode where he kept stepping on rakes over and over

[@pruntracy]

The whole reason Worf never got a show as captain is because he was such a good captain that nothing ever went wrong and his ship was pretty boring.

[@puppet4978]

TNG: Cause and Effect Modernized Title: *Quicksaving*

[@allen604]

Q watching from the continuum: "Oh Jean-Luc have I taught you nothing over the years?"

[@nikolaishriver7922]

It would have been amazing to see as a multiple character progression, the captain and crew start to trust and take Worfs suggestions throughout the series. Although, using competent combat techniques and phasers that wont randomly set themselves to “stern inconvenient tickling” depending on how long a plot needs to be drawn out, is apparently really difficult to write for. I imagine Worfs forehead was actually quite smooth before years of watching this crew handle combat, forced all the veins and tissue to become permanently stuck out

[@gohawks3571]

Haha, I like your logic! That would have been a nice progression....

[@guyver441]

“stern inconvenient tickling” YES! Perfect description of TNG Federation weapons. Back in Kirk's day, firing phasers got things done.

[@Apexeon]

I resisted watching Deep Space 9 for years. How could a fixed station be anywhere near as interesting as a ship visiting other worlds. Commander Worf's character development in DS9 shows he and Picard are tacticians in the same class of leadership. Given his extraordinary judgement during a couple incidents (forgoing the sword of kahless, restoring his honor while ensuring a smooth Klingon succession), this is indisputable... And the Dominion War sets him apart from Picard. It's just that in TNG he's the brute force stereotype.

[@guyver441]

@@Apexeon Yeah, he got Worfed a lot.

[@NimhLabs]

I'm both mildly amazed and insulted at your insinuation of Worf's forehead having been smooth. It is a rather impolite suggestion, but at the same time does give Worf honour while doing so

[@koshi6505]

The one that bothers me is they never tried contacting Starfleet. We know by the end of the episode that the rest of the universe goes about its business while the loop repeats. They could have sent a message describing the temporal loop and request their next iterations be informed.

[@DLordSadow]

Once caught in the loop, I don’t think they could communicate outside of it until the loop was broken.

[@DrewLSsix]

@@DLordSadow that makes no sense and isn't mentioned in the episode, you might think that they would notice losing contact with starfleet for a couple weeks. More plausibly is starfleet is already out of range so regular communication isn't expected. I dont know what the timeframe for the epilog was but Picard mentions getting in touch and finding out about their lost time as if it was a specific activity they had to do. If regular contact was expected and possible they should have noticed the timestamps not matching.

[@ugolomb]

@@DrewLSsix Well, they did manage to access a Federation time beacon once they emerged from the loop. Why didn't they try it *during* the loop?

[@HuntingTarg]

@@ugolomb Federation timebase beacons are not sole-source navigational/timesync aids; they are meant to be used in conjunction with reliable celestial navigation aids; major stars, pulsars, known variable stars, plus local documented phenomena. A timebase beacon is only a reliable fix to vessels in the same local space. I also think that there was some communication issue; 'space-time distortion' handwavium or something.

[@HuntingTarg]

@@DrewLSsix A causality loop doesn't mean that the Enterprise was experiencing the same events over and over in _stellar_ time; it was retracing the looped events in _local ship time_ ; speaking from an outside stellar frame of reference, an observer would only perceive the events happen once, but for an 'observer' on the ship (crew &c.) they would happen repeatedly until the loop destabilized.

[@marcosbravo9645]

I never tried to check, but I imagine a lot of problems could be avoided if they just listened to Worf.

[@andrewdevita629]

At the same time, many wars would've been started, had they listened to him.

[@kapek5]

Worf (and Michael Dorn) must have been exceptionally patient for staying in a job where week after week his recommendations were consistently shot down as being overreactions, even though he proved to be right time and again.

[@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen]

He had a moment of deja vu that told him DS9 would redeem his character.

[@DanielSolis]

Thank you for making real what I've wanted to edit for years. Just a whole series of clips less than a minute where they take Worf's advice and smash cut to credits. Brilliant.

[@erentheca]

In the initial run, that started the loop, there was no recording, therefore nothing prompting them to change course, reverse course, or do anything but go forward as usual. So any change based on hearing the recording, whether that be to slow down, speed up, stop, alter course, or reverse course entirely, would break the loop.

[@guidosarducci209]

Yes, I came to the same conclusion. Do ANYTHING they wouldn't have done on the first time through.

[@DavidLS1]

That would have made for a very short episode and Kelsey Grammer wouldn't have gotten to appear on Star Trek.

[@BladeOfLight16]

Not necessarily break the loop, but it's certainly vastly more likely than continuing on course.

[@jdraven0890]

You're absolutely correct. Think about the vastness of space and unlikelihood of two objects in space striking each other. Literally anything they did differently would have prevented the collision.

[@ericmooney5740]

The only problem is they didn't have any idea of knowing if they did any of those things before the first encounter happened leading to the explosion. For all they knew any number of things other than a warning of a collision could have come up that led them to alter a course or do something other than what they had already planned that led them to the collision. They said as much in the episode

[@aced4fun]

This episode is a masterpiece to me. The way everyone slowly understands the situation, the subtle tiny hints they're repeating the scenario, and Crusher knocking her glass signifying their fate

[@qwipperty]

Also the changes in camera angles each loop, and the gradual change in the musical score (becoming more ominous). That made it much more watchable and engaging, rather than seeing the same 5-7 minute loop over and over.

[@Blundabus1337]

When I was really young, I didnt really liked TNG, but I liked Worf. Now that I'm older, nothing changed, Worf carries that show.

[@RetroTaylor94]

Now do one where Worf wins every fight.

[@ThatElfNerd]

You don't need an edit for that. You just gotta switch to DS9. His win streak skyrocketed there.

[@awizardwithwords994]

This would be hilarious.

[@tbeller80]

@@ThatElfNerd within 30 mins of arriving on the station: beats and humiliates a Klingon so he can chew out a Klingon general. Within a day, uncovers a plot to start a war against Cardassia. After two days, gets to shoot (to kill) at whatever he wants with a warship and chops half a dozen Klingons to bits without getting a scratch.

[@sugarfrosted2005]

Rip captain Fraser, stuck in a time loop forever thanks to Worf.

[@theshlauf]

I think the fissure only became a time loop after the collision. If the Enterprise never showed up it probably would have just been a case of 'simple' time travel.

[@HuntingTarg]

@@theshlauf If the Enterprise never showed up there would never have been an anomaly to investigate. The interaction of the two ships was 'causally locked.'

[@TooCloseToHome]

One of my favorite episodes. First time I saw it, after returning from the 1st commercial break I thought the station, in some sort of bizarre queuing error, had accidentally re-played the opening scene. Your edit gave me the same thought!

[@nilspaar1999]

That was great! I laughed so hard at how quickly Worf solved and ended the episodes problem. Thank you, this was a great edit!

[@sabertram8290]

Within the context of this amazing clip, it’s Riker’s facial expressions that seals the deal. “Damn…good $#!+, Worf!”

[@davisyoung4658]

“I don’t want to work this week, can we just run a clip show episode?” “Nah, let’s just wrap up the plot after 10 minutes.”

[@Foolish188]

Finally someone agrees with me. The Captain's decision to continue EXACTLY as they had intended was the worst mistake in the history of Star Trek. It was made for one reason and one reason only, to make the plot of the episode work.

[@felicityggreene7831]

The worst mistake was the Prime Directive.

[@DanteCorwyn]

Is Guinan in this episode? Cause she's proven she can sense time wibblyness. I can just imagine her turning up and going "Worf is right. We need to get the hell out of here".

[@matthewkreps3352]

If Whoopi was available for an episode, they pretty much just gave her Deanna's lines. So since Troi gets to talk, Whoopi must not have been in this episode.

[@jebediahkerman8245]

@@matthewkreps3352 I dunno about that, man. Troi was more trained, neutral, psychotherapist talk and Guinan was more straight to the point and opinionated.

[@jimwesteven2023]

What might have been interesting is if Guinan was there, and they brought her to the observation lounge. Worf: Perhaps we should reverse course. Riker: For all we know that could be what causes the disaster. Guinan: No...Worf is right. If you reverse course, you can escape the loop. I'm sure of it. But there's another ship trapped in there, and you'll be leaving them trapped forever. Then the tone of the episode transitions from them stumbling their way into saving themselves, to them performing a novel kind of rescue mission.

[@elevenelevenlife3375]

@@jebediahkerman8245 I agree, also Troi being obviously empathic but Guinan being more intuitive/psychic/connected to a different realm

[@tompinkerton8099]

@@matthewkreps3352 Since Troi and Guinan have numerous scenes together, I don't think that's entirely true. In fact, in "The Loss" they do a good job of illustrating the differences between the two characters.

[@OpnDoarPlcy]

Riker's reaction was priceless, "The Captain's taking suggestions from Worf now!? WT...nevermind." However, if Worf had had his way, as soon as the Bozeman appeared he would have fired a full spread of torpedoes and called it a day.

[@TubenIt83]

The Bozeman’s class of ship hadn’t been in service for 80 years, but this ship was stuck in the loop for 90 years. The Enterprise was stuck for 17 days. Great episode.

[@tom_something]

One thing I didn't really appreciate or notice about Worf the first time through the series was his science and technical acumen. Of course, Data, Geordie, and Wesley are a little bit stronger on the sciences, but I think Worf's got Picard and Riker beat there. Most of the time when his ideas are rejected, it's because they disagree with his recommended course of action based on the science and technical stuff. It's far more rare for his scientific and technical conclusions themselves to be rejected.

[@WannabeWRX]

Worf has manned every position on the bridge except the Counselor's chair. No one else can make that claim.

[@insignificantgnat9334]

@@WannabeWRX I am both intrigued and apprehensive at the thought of Klingon therapy.

[@felicityggreene7831]

​@@insignificantgnat9334 What would a Klingon need therapy for?

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Worf's no dummy, he would've taken his warrior heritage to literally translate that to being as devoted to intellectual studies as physical combat.

[@jedidiahdavis7147]

Worf is the heart of the show. The federation is so focused on progress, but they're ungrounded in as much as they abandon all tradition (as opposed to the Klingons who are so held back by tradition that they appear backwards.) Worf walks the line between these two worlds.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

sadly Worf's idea to change course would have saved the enterprise had they actually followed it but then again, they would have missed out on a lovely encounter with an old federation starship. the Bozman which they hit and exploded from the hit till they have a near miss with it thanks to data figuring out that command Rikers idea was the better idea.

[@lauranolastnamegiven3385]

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue What happens to Capt. Bateson, though, if they don't come out of the past, to collide with the Enterprise? We don't know how the Bozeman got stuck in the loop (Bateson just says their sensors detected a temporal distortion, then the Enterprise 'appeared'). What if coming out of the past, is literally the Bozeman's only hope of survival, dependent on the Enterprise figuring out how to break the cycle of collision? If they do as Worf says, is the Bozeman just frozen in that distortion? Or do they emerge from the distortion, into the 24th century, get their bearings, contact Starfleet, and maybe try to find a way back through, to where they belong? It would be interesting to know what history recorded as having happened to the Bozeman (missing/lost), before this episode, & then, how that's changed, afterwards.

[@jenergomes]

You brilliantly finished one of the most brilliant episodes.

[@Vampwars]

*QAPLA!!!* I just thought that needed to be said. Worf’s my absolute favorite Star Trek character. Always has been, always will be. And the man was the Rodney Dangerfield of the Star Trek Franchise: He got no respect. JUSTICE FOR WORF ✊🏾

[@blinzakk]

Worf: I suggest we turn around and go the other way. Picard: Under NO circumstances will we reverse course!

[@starbase218]

The line must be drawn here!! This far, no further!!! ;)

[@Leomishima87]

They loop our timeline, and we fall back!

[@joshualoney8186]

The one individual in the room completly unqualified to give a suggestion to the problem at hand is the one Picard goes with..Priceless!

[@gmajor1273]

I remember watching this episode when it first aired. It's one of my favorite. I always think about how Worf was right and had they listened to him they would have saved themselves a lot of stress and worry. But then we wouldn't have seen Captain Fraiser then now wouldn't we.

[@thespacesbetweenstudio3346]

the logic makes sense. The first time they went through the loop, there would be no deja vu or hints and no reason to doubt their own actions. Turning around would for sure be different so it was the best choice. A vulcan would have picked that up

[@Helbore]

If forward is bad and reverse might also be bad, how about, y'know, a different direction? Like up or down. Or just change direction by a few degrees. They are in 3D space, after all and a minor course adjustment on any axis would change everything.

[@BladeOfLight16]

His pattern indicates -two- one dimensional thinking.

[@jackdispennett744]

The only way out of this ginormous plot hole is to posit that the space-time blip, rather than being stationary as it is in the episode, is itself is “hunting them down,” and thus even reversing course would only buy them a little time but in the end the blip would find them.

[@Durwood71]

Sometimes you can see where these are going. This one caught me off guard, and I literally laughed out loud.

[@dominic.h.3363]

This is why you don't give Worf the captain's chair. Once he makes the decisions, it'll be one boring mission after another, because every point of conflict is resolved in seconds... then he gets so bored with his efficiency, when he finally gets to see real action, he orders to fire on a decloaking ship.

[@HistoryPoliticsFiction]

In their defense the writers made most of Worf's suggestions aggressive due to his Klingon nature and his job as tactical officer. Worf tended to be very direct. You are correct they could in theory back away assuming they could. Quite a few times in Star Trek including Voyager backing up doesn't work because of temporal paradoxes and things like that. It got to the point that both Janeway and Archer freaking hated them.

[@dirdib69]

Thankfully, Picard found a time-delayed message from Michael Burnham, who is both his mother and daughter, telling him to listen to Worf.

[@Bad_Moon_Rising]

I know lol . This is one of my favorite episodes but when Riker says for all we know changing course is what got us into this , just pisses me off. Why would you for no reason change course the first time through. Changing course is the correct action based on new information .

[@NotQuiteFirst]

The time loop has plot armour

[@felicityggreene7831]

Riker always felt inadequate around Worf

[@Kyle.CrazyFox]

I’ve become so accustomed to Worf being denied that I didn’t even read the title and was surprised that it wasn’t one of those videos. 😂

[@MrGhostjamas]

Yeah Picard's logic made no sense in that episode; I always thought that randomly generating a course and direction for the ship would have been an easy way to get out of the situation. Now that I'm older and have worked in a few jobs I feel a lot of empathy for Worf when he gets ignored and then has to clean up the resulting mess.

[@kurtdewittphoto]

Imagine if the show actually aired this way, followed by 26 minutes of commercis.

[@delphidelion]

If it was a one off event i think it would have gone down in tv history as the most aware episode of all time.

[@stormdaboo]

I need more edits of worf getting approved

[@alexkaen1701]

Worf is, no joke, brilliant. He hacks the Enterprise in War Games, builds a personal force field out of a communicator in Fist Full of Datas, and more. If he were an Engineer he'd be the next Scotty.

[@alexv6324]

This was pretty hilarious. Now, don't get me wrong, I love TNG, but one thing that always bothered me among others was how one week, the Enterprise was a Galaxy Class can of whoop ass, flagship of the Federation that would eat Birds of Prey (Not counting Generations) for breakfast and then the next week, one phaser blast from whatever mysterious ship of the week and shields, weapons, and engines were all offline with hull breaches on decks 1 through don't even exist.

[@KopperNeoman]

Enterprise in gameplay versus Enterprise in cutscenes. 🤣

[@dcacklam]

Well, there was that episode where Picard & friends were turned into kids & the ship was hijacked by Ferengi in TOS-movie-era Klingon birds of prey....

[@FalloutJack]

The Enterprise crew's bumbling through time phenomena and taking basically forever to figure it out is probably why the Q Continuum decided that a time anomaly would be what destroys them, and by their own hand.

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

"Shall we raise shields sir?" "Not yet Mr. Worf" *Enterprise gets attacked* "Shields up!!" 😳

[@DiomedesIsHit]

"Shields non-responsive, sir >:( "

[@leahl5007]

Picard: Any suggestions on how to avoid this time trap? Warf: We should fire torpedos at time itself. Crew: 👁👄👁

[@kichigaino]

If Warf’s solution wasn’t to blow up or attack nearly every problem, then they’d have listened when he had a reasonable solution.

[@Eidenhoek]

I said I cast fireball.

[@bamzo]

That was almost as savage as when he says "die" in response to Q's question about proving his mortality. Well done!

[@RWhettstone]

Separate the Saucer and send them in opposite directions.

[@johndaman6322]

that one minute is better than the entire Discovery series !

[@Dirt_Master]

This is a Masterpiece. Bravo 👏

[@theargonaught44]

I've been reading the novels and in 'The Children of Hamlin' worf finds a way to change the tractor beam to catch this weird ship made out of morphing spheres. to great affect too.

[@kevincrady2831]

How to solve TNG: Listen to Worf's advice, but let Data do the fighting. For ToS, Captain Kirk could have saved himself a lot of ass-whuppins if he'd just let Spock do all the fighting (Reference: in "Mirror, Mirror," Spock has no trouble taking on multiple opponents; plus he has the Vulcan Nerve Pinch).

[@nystria_]

My dad used to tease me as a kid by turning the TV off saying "shows over" every time the Enterprise blew up in this episode

[@leopold7562]

Crusher: It’s not deja-vu, we actually are reliving the same moments Laforge: Yep, something happened to put us in a temporal loop Riker: So we could’ve had this discussion before? Laforge: Very probably, and maybe more than once Data: It would seem we were involved in some kind of disaster Laforge: One which could’ve kick-started this whole thing Picard: So what do we do to avoid it? Worf: Reverse course (Rest of crew nod in agreement) Picard: Okay, let’s do that, then Meanwhile, in another part of space, the USS Boseman appears out of a worm hole Bateson: What the hell was that? And where’s the camera crew? Damn it, this was my moment! Niles, where the hell are we?

[@Grillenheimer]

🤣

[@NCRRanger7753]

Worf gives his opinion, Picard immediately knows that's the correct course because they never listen to him lmao.

[@grantl1569]

If large explosions, like large amounts of antimatter losing containment, are enough to rupture space and time, then wouldn't every interstellar war shred the local fabric of space?

[@freshdoug]

The area already had a rupture. In normal space nothing would happen.

[@BladeOfLight16]

To be fair, there's an episode that establishes that even just using warp drive is actually damaging subspace. But yes, that definitely raises some serious questions.

[@davidlewis5312]

@@BladeOfLight16 there is a few systems during the dominion war where you probably leave before you enter by this episode's logic.

[@takraset]

Did Data just make a contraction?! [0:22] "I've analyzed..."

[@DaHaiZhu]

Upon entering the loop, there would not have been any data from a previous loop. Therefore they would have not taken any alternate action. Then having data from a previous loop and acting upon it, with any action they decide based on that data and different than their current plan would have broken the loop.

[@MagikarpBeast]

I was waiting for Data or Geordi to point this out all episode. Its perfectly logical that the first loop must be according to planned actions so being irrational is a sure solution

[@Firefox13A]

Eventually the USS Bozeman would have returned to Earth on its own too. Worf’s practicality for the win.

[@axelfoley1406]

LaForge: "A dozen, a hundred. It's impossible to tell. We could be trapped for hours, days, maybe years... Hell, by now this particular series probably ended and there could have already been 3 other shows and more than several movies." Riker: "Why only 3 shows? Perhaps there were more..." LaForge: No ,we will not talk about the new crap that's out right now...Don't get me started but that nonsense isn't true Star Trek. Director: WTF Levar?? CUT!

[@carlossantana4086]

Once they realized the Enterprise was about to be destroyed EVERYONE was thinking about halting for a couple of hours or changing course, but noooooo let's roll that dice

[@alm2187]

You know what really would have worked? Order the computer to generate two random numbers (x and y) between 1 and 360, exact down to as many places after the decimal as it is capable of (or stop after a trillion if it's capable of infinite). Order a course change set x mark y. Even if you've tried this before, you won't get the same destination twice, hence you're out of the loop.

[@radicalpaddyo]

Even if Worf had (somehow) proposed this, he would have still been shut down.

[@FiXato]

But what if the calculation of that random number is what caused the computer to crash and the ship to subsequently explode? ;)

[@tormuse2916]

The trouble with that plan is that random numbers generated by a computer are never *truly* random. There still has to be an algorithm programmed into the computer that simulates randomness, and if they ask it to generate the number at the same point in their time loop, they might still get the same value each time.

[@straightpipediesel]

Or they could assign each one of 52 cards a direction and randomly shuffle a deck of cards to figure out which way to go. Oh wait... ​@Tormuse is correct, randomness is broken in their loop.

[@-dash]

Picard second-guesses Worf and then says, “we can’t afford to start seconding-guessing ourselves”.

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

He DOES, doesn't he! xD

[@Paulafan5]

Predestination; they were always meant to get caught up in the timeloop with that other ship so Picard couldn't change course even if he wanted to. The only way out was to deflect the other ship.

[@jagmarc]

That has to be the neatest and succinct storyline and conclusion ever. They didn't need to repeat the same cliches over and over several times to fill out the time between the adverts

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

Worf is like Shane from the Walking Dead. Everyone thinks he's a deranged lunatic when he's just ahead of the curve.

[@vomitkermit3446]

This was funny as fuck. The credits rolled and i was confused for a few seconds. When I realized what just happened I laughed so hard I had much difficulty breathing. Thanks mate, i really needed that.

[@mr.voidout4739]

This reminds me of the TNG PC game. During space fights, you could (whatever reason) delegate the bridge to other crew. If you pick Worf, he goes "Captain...I am honored."

[@manoahvanderwolf3259]

it took a second for me to grasp what just happened but this was brilliant.

[@islandsedition]

Worf: "There is the theory of the mobius. A twist in the fabric of space, where time becomes a loop, time becomes a loop, time becomes a loop...". Orbital. Excellent track.

[@richardjohnson7638]

“Captain, nothing changes if nothing changes.” “Make it so - engage!” (Roll credits)

[@pitodesign]

Damn Worf, now you'll never meet that ship from the past. 😥