Making My Jeeps Rear Camp Storage Look Awesome!

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

My Jeeps rear storage drawer system (AKA Samantha's bed) is getting its final furry touches. The wooden and aluminium frame are working well but looking dung, so hopefully wrapping it in carpet and adding some finishing touches will make it look more OEM and professional. This is the final build on this setup although a different fridge/battery setup will eventually clean up the system more. Thanks for watching and for all your support! Mike

[@Redlightdragon]

So glad to see being a dad has worked out for you......Dad jokes are mint

[@michaelmacdonald7342]

Your rig is amazing and built by you - definitely have more respect for what you have built instead of the overland rigs made from just throwing money at it and being built be shops and not the owners.

[@chopperchuck]

The materials used in lithium iron phosphate batteries offer low resistance, making them inherently safe and highly stable. The thermal runaway threshold is about 518 degrees Fahrenheit,

[@justinmoore4088]

Great info! Do you know if this type of material is most commonly used?

[@benhuggins850]

Mike, I use a Jackery 500 to power my ARB fridge. I keep it under a tonneau cover in the bed of my pickup truck in south Texas where the temp is regularly over 95 degrees F in the summer. I even keep the Jackery in a bag to keep it clean and transportable. The heat has never been an issue and as others have said I’m sure it would shut down if overheated. Im not an engineer, but from two years of use I have had no issues.

[@garylgoldberg]

I never get tired of Mike's humor.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Haha, Thanks for watching!

[@russjowett2137]

Hi Mike, really enjoyed the video. The drawer system turned out great! I think one of the amber lights up on the tailgate would be good to light up the area behind the jeep and one on each side, inside the jeep cargo area. Also one mounted on the under side of the pull out drawer, as the drawer will cast a big shadow on the ground and you wont see bigfoot lying under the jeep waiting for the right moment...

[@rickhall7180]

G’day from Oz... just a suggestion for your drawer table... use stainless steel instead of aluminium. Aluminium will turn everything black/dark grey. All the best 👍

[@nimrow99]

They also prefer the hardwood we use

[@zealousoutdoors]

I live in the American southwest where we see temps as high as 122 degrees Fahrenheit. I run a deep cell marine battery that is isolated, but charges off of the alternator when the truck runs. It's mounted under hood on the opposite side of the start battery. I also have 200watts of solar on the roof, which is enough that I can have the fridge on all summer and never worry about the battery draining down. It helps that we have sunshine like 300+ days of the year. The best part is it's all been pieced together so in total I have about $400 into the whole system. We still have Jackery power stations but tend to just lend them out to others that we camp with for charging cell phones etc.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Thanks for the information! Its really helpful to see what people are running so I can get a good idea of where to go forward and where to spend my money to make the right decision. Thanks again and appreciate you watching!

[@alvarolanzateldelbar]

Mike I can tell you from my experience here in south spain (40°C). Running a power station river 2 pro, fridge and solar pannel. I let the car in the sun and can get up to 60°C inside. No problem at all, they have a little fans that works sometimes but didnt have any problem with it. I read that when it get too hot thwy shut down, but necer seen doing it💪🏻

[@codynickless2619]

Awesome to see some of our kiwi outdoor clothing making its way to the other side of the globe. 👍 A fellow xj owner from down in New Zealand

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

I have some decent gear from New Zealand, the original stuff when it was made there. Thanks for watching!

[@rickywroe]

If it's using a battery management system (BMS) and it's Lithium Iron Phosphate (LifePO4) it is very safe at temperatures around 40 degrees C. The BMS will stop discharge at temperatures around 60 degrees C if it is configured in the industry norm. I have built my own LifePO4 batteries and am an electrical engineer if you have any questions let me know.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Thanks for the information. I'm currently installing a victron orion smart charging system in the vehicle with an mppt. My plan is get some good infrastructure installed first and then i will check out batteries. Thanks for watching and for the info!

[@richardcarnahan6335]

Most of the portable solar generators can run up to 140 degrees Fahrenheit before they have issues then they shut down.and the fans kick on to cool the system down.

[@emtjc8465]

looks great! that carpet really brought the look together. I am also interested in the battery question since I live in Florida and the heat is regularly over 100 F or 38C

[@JeepinDownUnder]

I like the end piece.

[@michaelantonio1367]

Nice to see you Mike! Always enjoy watching your content,

[@SirCrocodile162]

16:00 Yeah that data is not typically published by manufacturers. Parking in the shade and ventilating the vehicle are the first things that come to mind.

[@BFett-ri8kt]

Nice build Mike These projects are very time consuming. I'm not surprised you cant find much data on the batteries etc. If you think about it , the EV companies don't want negative info on the net , especially with the fires theyve had over the years and shipping companies that wont transport them. Li Ion and other deep cycles are fine , otherwise its always a risk , although minimal.

[@Off-gridCherokee]

I have a 200ah lifepo4 bank. And I live in Nevada USA. summers are over 100°f and winters are below 20° f. My fridge has lived in my jeep for 5 years now, it never comes out as we live in our jeeps 24/7. There's no shade here, we don't have trees where we are at so our cars are baking, all of our stuff bakes in the hot Nevada sun all day. None of my battery's have ever went past 90°f. The chargers see that heat and make the needed adjustments. These battery's are smart now, even my cheap elefast ones have lots of cool features like power disconnect if it's to hot or to cold. Bluetooth to monitor and all sorts of cool stuff. Get a battery bank and a decent charger. You will never regret this purchase I assure you. Much better than those portable units.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Thanks for that information, nice real world stuff. I just bought a Victron smart charger and i'm upgrading the whole system so that the infrastructure is solid. Thanks for the comment and info!

[@corheeremans2820]

Hi Mike, i made a rear door window louver , from the same materiaal that you have on the engine hood!! Got it in a do it yourself store!

[@monicakeet1632]

Great video Mike. Can’t wait for the locker install! When are we going to see that?!

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

The locker arrived just the other day. It looks really good! I have just finished this drawer system and a new battery setup. Its taken me much longer than expected. I'm going to get out and do some camping and enjoy the summer, make some videos. Then come the end of the summer I will prep the Jeep for winter and install the Locker. Thanks for watching!

[@JasonMcCann841]

I can not answer your battery questions but am a little on the OCD side with projects as well. You did great with this one in my opinion.

[@expeditionbound2722]

I have an Ecoflow River pro and have left it in the vehicle in 100F weather with no issues in an XJ with very little insulation in it and not worried about being kept out of the some either. No issues what so ever on longevity or worry about catching on fire.

[@TimmyBuddoo]

Yeah mate in Aus i run a 12 volt sealed battery in the boot powering a fridge also connected with a solar panel. Bloody well gets hot here and plenty of blokes lose their cars leaving batteries to get hot. Its all about management.

[@neilmartinsr4610]

Regarding your concern, the American southwest has ridiculously hot summers. You can search some s/w overlanders and ask them about power stations and heat.

[@peterwarner280]

Looking good bro as said before Rome not built in a day take your time trial and error get how you won't it , and don't forget space black mamba. 😮 catch you on the next one 👌

[@lenward474]

Across manufactures 40c.is best for meeting specs both pouch and prismatic. 60 to 80 is ok but depending on mfg functions may reduce. distension only occurs in pouch batteries.

[@shaunmccaw2911]

Nice job mate trust me mate don't worry about cleaning the carpet I have it in my van and its never clean looking 😂 have fun looking after it 🤞🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@TheDankFarmer]

Use one of those little laser temp readers on the battery when its at the hottest and just contact the manufacture or find a spec sheet it should have the max remp rating, its a good question though and not one other people ever talk about, maybe if you have some sort of electric fan vent sucking out hot hair and park in the shade you could bring temps down a good bit

[@kidd7359]

As you research the lithium batteries, you'll see some have a low temp charge cutoff.

[@gnothisauton2116]

5:40. “My prediction is, for this: is it’s all going to go to shit.” - me, on every project.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Literally the start of every project lol! Thanks for watching.

[@zZCozzerZz]

We use a cheap chinese style battry pack in our work van for running the hoover and saw and the odd tools , its been in the van for about 3 years now UK weather so -6c ish then highs of what 30c in the summer , its shut off a couple of times when its been hot with a big Chop saw running on it and the cells have faded a little from not having a propper charge as its only ever charged off the van alt yours looks like a much better product. silly as it sounds we do keep a firealarm in the van and a propper electrical fire extinguisher near by as we do tend to have alot of dewalt , milwak , and other tool batterys in the van

[@chopperchuck]

that draw system came out great , now build one more for a red Xj 😃

[@max4wd]

Hey Michael, regarding the Lithium Battery i can only really tell you from my experience: My setup consists of a Portable National Luna Power Pack 2 and a National Luna 50L Fridge. When i bought the power pack online from a store I emailed them and asked if the power pack works with lithium batteries, they said yes . (You have to put a battery into it). It is basically a fully portable Dual battery system that you wire directly to the starter battery and only charges the 2nd battery when the engine is running after some time. Aparrently National Luna now says on their website that their system shouldn't be used with lithium. I bought a 100A Renogy lithium battery, put in there last year and drove for 2 weeks in croatia, leaving the car in car parks and on hiking sites. I also have 150W Solar going into it and i never had any issues. Voltage and charge seems fine and I havent noticed any heat going on only running the fridge. However I think i will get this properly done by a professional in the future, electronics are not really my strength, i really made sure to make this a minimal setup I can take out when I am not camping and just using my G for forest work and construction stuff, Id rather spend some money on getting it done properly and having peace of mind than coming back to a car in flames.

[@Skelterz-]

if it's Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) is much safer than lithium polymer (what you usually see causing fires). Power banks like that usually have Hi/lo temp cutoffs as well.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Thanks for watching and for the information!

[@nanii414]

Mmmm Dorito memories

[@WARxMACHIN3]

a good lithium battery will have its own management system which should at a minimum have temperature and over current cut-offs for the cells. Most 'power stations' should have these features for other chemistries but even the cheap brand lithiums here in Australia have these basic protections built in to the standalone battery. The other risks are managed the same way as any auto electrical work, e.g. fusing, fixing of cables etc. Lithium ion batteries can be widly dangerous but iron phosphate (LiFePo4) are much more benign, being said, a novel hazard for these is the fumes that may be released in the event of a breakdown. Ive fun a 40L fridge off a 100AH lithium (Iron Phosphate) in a little black forester in 40 degree weather here in Western Australia, allow the fridge to shed the heat and you'll be fine

[@rickhall7180]

Another G’day from Oz regarding lithium batteries... I have 2x120 ah lithium batteries in my camping canopy. The spec’s are as follows - Optimal Temp Range - +5 to 60C BMS (battery management system built into each battery) - -5 to 80C BMS Cut off voltage - 15v BMS Low voltage cut off 8.5 - 9v I don’t think the max temperature will be your worry...

[@rickhall7180]

I should have also added that the batteries are charged via the alternator and solar panels through a Redarc 1240 BCDC charger/regulator.

[@dropshot5948]

Bully...jollly good.

[@jared2235]

Awesomesauce all up in there 👌 well done looks lush

[@chrismcca]

i think most lithium battery fires are during charging or following impact rather than during discharge. if you're considering taking batteries out individually to better store you could look to encase them in the lithium battery fire bags like they type they will throw your phone in should it start smoking on a commercial flight. They look like of like a foil bag. I have also seen other bag systems to contain batteries for fire and smoke as a type of transport bag.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Thanks for watching and for the information!

[@goingagainstthegrain]

I used to ship them out for a defense company in the USA. We'd always had to label these batteries while they were in transit overseas (3 days). Yes, one caused a fire. It depends. I've heard that overcharging can create a hazard or dependent on the manufacturer (engineers who created the battery). I urge you to contact the company that you purchased the battery from. How or where you store the battery. It goes on and on. Two words summarize it: Murphy's law.

[@Jazzynet100]

Ref battery questions. Environmental Operating Temperature Charge Temperature: 0°C~40°C (32°F ~ 104°F) Discharge Temperature: -10°C~40°C(14°F~104°F) Storage Temperature: -20°C~40°C(-4°F~104°F)*recommend Operating humidity range: 10 - 90%

[@Jazzynet100]

50c is normally when components start having issues. The unit may have a thermal cut out. Li po batteries have lots of fire drama, li ion batteries normal on over charge and over drawn power. Li fe I don't have the details. My knowledge is from lots of RC planes and use of li ion and li po batteries. Li Po's scare me li ion no drama in 10 years. The man made would be Trent from Titan batteries. He will have very detailed information if he responds.

[@nimrow99]

good job I have a question for you. Why not mount the tire inflator motor on the right side of the freezer? It saves you effort and time

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

I will probabaly do that. I'm just revamping the whole electronic system so I'm holding off with anything permanent until I know what I'm doing. Thanks for watching!

[@aarongrandey4499]

Hey Mike, I've been running a lithium in my land cruiser in Australia for the past year, and I've had no issues running an 85l fridge full time in 40c+ temps through summer, it just chews a bit more power as my fridge is black and not well insulated.

[@JordanNiks]

The batteries used in systems like yours and battleborn-like 12v 100ah batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate, the thermal runaway issues for recreation use (I.e. the Samsung Galaxy Note) are batteries which are Lithium cobalt-oxide or lithium Manganese-oxide. Lithium iron Phosphate is not prone to thermal runaway and is very stable… but isn’t as light as the other systems because Iron is heavy. the BMS system will shut down flow long before the battery gets hot enough to shrink the commercial separator which causes the environment for thermal runaway. Lastly for Lithium iron phosphate, thermal runaway threshold is like 150-180 Celsius… so cars wouldn’t get that hot even if the battery is powering the fridge

[@johndeleon8529]

Looking good👍

[@johndeleon8529]

Have a question on head gasket i did the new Elring and it just shows the main torque on the sheet that came with it m14s 30nm +70 ×2 and m12 are 30nm+ 90 degree. But a manual for almost same motor (but in the Chrysler mini van.)i found on line says to heat to temp 20 minutes and retorque outside (no slack) m12s and 90nm and m14s to slack then retorque 30nm and +65 degrees 2 times. Which do you usually go by?

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

I went by the 425 OHV manual which says - Central Bolts tighten to 30nm in sequence, then an addition 30 in the same sequence. Then 70 degrees in the same sequence, then an additional 70 in the tightening sequence. Then the side bolts get 30nm + 85 along one side, the the other. Run the engine at OT for 20 minutes then allow for cool down. Slacken central bots one by one in sequence, tighten immediately to 30nm then 65 degrees, the another 65 degrees and move to t he next bolt. The side bolts get torqued to 90nm after this but no slackening.

[@johndeleon8529]

@@WorkshoptoWilderness thank you👍👍, yes wound up getting same results when i dug through the internet enough 🤣🤣. I have found a manual for free download but it was for the Chrysler minivan motor which i know is same block different accessories . The headgasket kit had totally different values but almost same results minus the run then retorque. Thats what worried me. Jeep is back on the road and was trial by fire on the second day of testing with a road trip from my home in Mosvik (North west of trondheim) all the way to Bergen and back .🤣 ran perfect no problems 🙏 and turnd a great 31mpg. Thanks again for all you do on the channel.

[@antonpancake]

Mind linking the molle net used?🤟

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

@antonpancake www.trailtuffnets.com/products.php this one is a lot better than what I used

[@chopperchuck]

draining a lithium battery's down to far can cause them to cook off that why they have circuit's that shut them down after the reach a certain voltage

[@betulaobscura]

Looks neat! Unfortunately, I can't help you with your question.

[@stuartb9194]

Do you have a link for that Carpetmunchers firm? Asking for a friend.

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

www.watski.se/baatmatta-i-naalfilt-133cm-svart-11ZGO?artnr=118151&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw65-zBhBkEiwAjrqRMETzPvhlbVRIthNuFC8ZXwWStNNszvRA3gBWgPPxsWe-o4RE4QC-cxoCGZsQAvD_BwE Haha here we go!

[@OnlyMike]

I hope to all that is holy the "have you seen the new IG-88?" is a STARWARS reference. I lol'd **EDIT** Found this in some research on lithium banks. "For most lithium-ion batteries, the safe operating temperature range is typically between 0°C to 45°C (32°F to 113°F). Exposure to temperatures outside of this range can lead to reduced performance, degradation, or even failure of the battery. However, the exact failure temperature can vary. In extreme cases, such as exposure to very high temperatures or physical damage, lithium-ion batteries can catch fire or explode."

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

It was a old Half Life reference haha. Thanks for that information, its good to see as many references as possible! Thanks for watching.

[@WalkRoluz]

What model are the wheels of your Jeep?. Greetings from miami

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

They are Jack wheeler -20 offset steel wheels. I use a bead lock variation in the winter. Thanks for watching!

[@LocknessRides]

Anyone know what place he got the carpet from? He says it but I can’t quite make it out! Would like to purchase that carpet for a project

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

Its from www.watski.se. I chose the black self adhesive one.

[@martinwerner7916]

What was the name of the Carpet?

[@WorkshoptoWilderness]

www.watski.se/baatmatta-i-naalfilt-133cm-svart-11ZGO Here is a link to it.

[@Off-gridCherokee]

I'm also not a real overlander. Im just glorifying homelessness lmao. Nice work as always mike.

[@treykilgore4734]

Hey Mate, fellow xj overlander. I'm in the US. Too much to write in a message, but I have both. A dual redarc battery system, and I also have Jackerys. Feel free to contact me, and I'll tell you all about it. Cheers.

[@FreeRangeLemon]

lol, “Not an overlander” I mean true in the way that Overlanding and the people in the community are a caricature now. You don’t fit into the demographic. But would you really want to? Endless consumerism, overpriced pavement princesses, loans, pictures with the clarity slider cranked to 100%, small business piss beer with fruit in it? Come on now. We all know you are the real one Mike!

[@mindaugasstankus5943]

Had vaping incident which involved very cheep, crappy batteries pushed to the limits? Or EV batteries pushed above limits to get that extra mile/range they should not advertised in first place? Or some other story of incompetence, malice and above all and most likely - profiteering. LIFePO4 safer than "regular" Li-ion. Safe operational temperature above 40°C, not camping in hot desert and not leaving battery in direct sun light anyways. Safe as any electrical/electronics. Something can short-out, spark with lead-acid or alkaline battery and start a fire.

[@christerjohansson9184]

Another nice video 👍🏽 more smart things to make 🤌🏽