HOW TO | DO A DOUBLE VALLEY (part 1)

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[@ABSF49]

I'm just wondering how he was able to do that whole side without anybody seeing it and correcting him

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Haha everything else was done on that side so I was on the other

[@GrazingBull]

When ya gonna challenge BigTime?!

[@andrewreid3004]

He doesn't have what it takes.

[@josephguilfoyle9356]

BIGTIME 💪🤙 ole vet has no shot. And vet you are one of those Roofers that you mights well do the roof yourself 🤣he did such a good job!! ......I ripped it up. Douche.

[@hondaman3317]

Always cut the steeper pitch. Fly the smaller pitch by. Gravity is easy to watch work, roofing is about gravity. Seeing you fix it speaks volumes. Most don’t..... but then I wouldn’t have a job😂

[@larrycrookshanks9091]

You're installing shingles in a pocket in Utah where u get deep snow and ice. Amazing. Why not install a layer of base Self adhered and a layer of cap sheet. Solid sheets beat shingles in low slope area.

[@JTREJO22]

That is exactly what I was going to suggest. We always do SA BASE and Cap. In we are in West Texas. No issues after we got a foot of snow this past month. Can’t say much about the other companies here. Nobody here even tears off felt or installs ice and water.

[@aaronyoung75]

You got the like and subscribe on this one because i actually did this today, and now have to tear off and re-do... didnt see this video untill it was too late.

[@Mega12]

Damn I really thought you got mad af at him even I got shooked 😂 good video tho

[@stixprogaming2718]

Next time you do those, ice and shield everything, in that area, instead of a row of paper on those dormers I would of ice and shielded it, lots of snow sits there, also I'd keep those nails with the plastic thing on them away 6 too 8 inches, when I shingle these i build it up pyramid style, when you step up in the middle and add on too both side, glad too see it is changed well you had the chance and before it leaked, it could of caused big headaches down the road, lots of people would of said fuck it, looks good from my house. Roof on

[@oscarcarreon3221]

Can’t see that shit from my house, órale keep nailing.

[@ScottieBMan]

That’s the way you do it! Nice fix

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Thanks 👍

[@DARK24-7]

After 32 years in construction-i feel the pain of thinkin' i was doin something right-then the realization it's f'd...It sucks-and you feel like a p.o.s.Keep yer head up Boycub-take a positive from this negative.

[@pedrogomez9303]

You right👏👏

[@rodsr2749]

❤❤

[@yatagrastu_fwo1147]

I love your blogs

[@incognitonunyabuisness5192]

Really good educational video, you don’t see a lot of these dbl valleys.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

yea they get tricky

[@stevengrammont44]

I like how you put him on a piece that he wasn't comfortable with , but I think you should've told him how you wanted it done and why.

[@mattb4885]

In boycubs defense. I would’ve laid the roof the way he did.. though the dormers (appear) to be steeper than the main roof, sq footage is significantly less, and that spot between is going to bottleneck either way with snow.. my train of thought but if someone can give me good stats/figures to go off of I’ll forfeit haha.

[@UndisputedRoofer]

Boy cub did it right.

[@mattb4885]

And when I cali cut valleys, I always run a secondary bead of tar underneath the course of shingles that I lay parallel to the valley so even if that course doesn't seal 100%, I have a second backup against the moisture. Nowhere near as experienced as many of you guys but I've never been called back to any roof that I've laid or help lay.

[@mattb4885]

@@UndisputedRoofer I thought so, but I'm not a roofer. Have laid many shingles but that's not my forte.

[@hankwells8723]

Same

[@hankwells8723]

Dude just did it backwards 😂

[@neilbhagwandeen4670]

Hi all. Love these videos! I am from a country where metal roofing sheets are popular. Watching you guys shingle roofs, I must say it's a skill and an art. Seeing you tackle that valley with shingles... damn I would not have known what to do. I mean I think roofers in my country take that for granted as with metal roof you install your valley flashings lay your roof sheets and call it a day.

[@chrislogue5744]

Great explanation of how water sheds😂😜😜👌

[@Birch_Smiley]

a like for Boycub comeback !!

[@borys444]

Gave u a like cause I’m happy to c boy cub back and it’s always good to support someone like urself. Peace brother!!!

[@devinmanns9561]

I live in northern Utah we get a lot of snow, i color match tpo membrane and do 3 feet up with it from the edge and tie the shingles in, its a nice detail in area like that were snow and ice will build up

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

damn tpo? thats crazy

[@Remodeling101]

Color match? I thought it only came in white, black, and grey, and I cant see white matching very often. Black on red, black on green, black on tan.. lol .. Good idea tho.. hard to see those ares anyway. So if you did commercial roofing, using scrap would save some $ if you just went with one run, no seam...

[@devinmanns9561]

@@Remodeling101 there's dark and light shades of each color, tan, brown, red, green, grey, white, I've even done a copper color

[@devinmanns9561]

@@Remodeling101 there's also coated drip metal in different colors that you can weld the membrane to

[@randyjenkins8743]

Tpo is trash

[@ultramegadude93]

I very much dislike putting drip edge on these spots lmao

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

LOL

[@vim_usr2753]

This video has convinced me to not shingle my own roof. Sure wouldn't mind learning from a pro though.

[@TorontoMuscle]

he did the valley fine dude

[@jeremylakenes6859]

Boycub is faithful, treat him well.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

turns out he's not

[@jeremylakenes6859]

@@NWIVeteranConstruction What happened?

[@raybrensike42]

So will a marble be running faster at 20' going down a 4/12, than it would be going at 6' down a 6/12? I'm thinking maybe Boycub got it right. Or, if you were in a bicycle race, do you think that you could get going faster down a 6/12 that was 6' long than someone else who was coasting down a 4/12 for 20 feet? I'll bet kids at a skateboard park would be good at answering something like this. Or, if you were on a hill that was steep, but it was only 3' high, and someone else was on a hill that was 6' high, and those hills were on a perfectly flat valley, and you both let balls roll down at the same time, which ball would go the furthest? Would it even depend on the slope? Would slope even matter? One would get to the flat valley quicker, but which ball would go farther before it stopped?

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

It's not always speed or volume. Pitch plays a huge part in how the water will behave at the bottom and snow especially. The snow will melt n freeze multiple times and it will be way easier for it to find its way in opposite of how I did it

[@bradrob2863]

I have never seen someone put starter on the sides but hey I’ve only been roofing for a year love ur videos ❤ where r u located if I can ask I don’t think I’m very far from u

[@MikeHenry3280]

I knwo u all dont really use it often.. but in this case wouldnt it be safer to use valley metal. ? that way it really dont matter which way u do it... ? idk just my thought.. maybe im use to using vally metal some do some dont... good stuff tho

[@jordannielson306]

Craftsman double blade?

[@X360KBaller]

When did boycub come back? Im surprised you took him back after leaving you for more money

[@ElverGalarga-xe4ss]

You know what your doing but still don't understand why you dont wear a work pouch

[@Remodeling101]

Why lug around a heavy pouch when all your using is a knife?

[@ElverGalarga-xe4ss]

@@Remodeling101 what if you need a chalk box some snips tape measure I would just have them laying around all over the roof or in the trailer in my personal opinion that is unorganized key to efficientsy is organization

[@mattb4885]

Carpenters pants, or if you’re wearing shorts, cargo shorts. A couple of large pockets and your normal pockets are all you need. I carry a square, knife, pencil(s), some fasteners, etc in a regular pair of jeans..

[@ElverGalarga-xe4ss]

@@mattb4885 well you dont know what your doing thats why you would of done the vallys backwards

[@kenwalker7550]

Metal valleys... is it so hard??

[@shawncummings4653]

Who taught backwards Billy to roof? Live and learn I guess.

[@chet174able]

I've seen a lot of valleys done backwards but they didn't leak don't recommend but it worked don't know how

[@Faruk651]

Why not build both sides of the valleys with full pieces (stepping) and filling the middle after?

[@mule666]

Because

[@EstebanGonzalez-ph9xp]

De eria de subir más la teja de el velis

[@mjwhite7824]

I definitely would’ve made him tear it up at least lol!! And if I was him I would’ve just torn it up for you/my boss anyway

[@jpeknowbody3649]

This is 50/50 on the right way, unusual circumstances for sure.During a major rain storm I think Id rather have it the way baby cub did it . But then again the steeper slope will shed faster but less flow. I guess you called it right once you take in the snow and ice situation.Good job

[@mehowi]

In places like that you weave the valleys. don't make them cut.

[@GFRYORK]

Sometimes you really make my head hurt 🤦

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

eh

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

probably why mines always hurting too

[@tonykenny4304]

No safety on job site should be shut down safety first

[@kneebull7653]

I wish I worked with you! You seem like an awesome teacher/coworker. Anyhow at 32 years I’m thinkin to leave my contractor company and start my own soon. You inspire me to want to build my own company. Thanks for all your videos

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Awesome! Get it bro!

[@Hiddencomment007]

boycub not to be confused with manbear

[@nitro1380]

This is why w valleys are the best and its easy for rookies to learn!

[@kylekoverola8654]

Metal w valley?

[@craigfinno551]

Boycub aka napoleon dynamite

[@puttymctang]

honestly think you are wrong, water doesn't run up hill no matter what direction you go in, where you're getting the most water running down in one direction is the way your valley should overlap. You think just because snow is building up in the valley it's going to run up that 4/12? unless there is ice damming its going to run down. water takes the easiest path always 100% and if you ARE ice damming, no overlap is going to help because it's going to run up over the topside of the shingle. You tore off his shingles just to prove a point that probably wasn't worth proving.. Now, if it was a 4/12 running down onto 12/12 dormers, i might agree but your pitch difference is shit all

[@puttymctang]

especially when you've covered the entire space with ice & water shield and he's nailing 6" from the valley, you would think it wouldn't matter? Fuck are you guys using timberlines? wow amateur hour

[@meowsons]

Yeah and he just put a ton more nails/holes in that spot

[@gamesforfun3680]

Boy cubs a gangster😎😎😎

[@josemora6931]

Let me tell you boy cub is a good guy for not talking back of it we’re me getting disrespected I would of disrespected you right back you want some one to do the job right then stay on top of them when they are doing the job not when the fuck up is done with

[@billybobjosh]

all that water for that little gutter

[@Remodeling101]

Why don't you just pop lines down before you started laying shingles? Gaf is like 22 1/4" I think. Your low shingles at the bottom will make up the difference. Your pretty fast tho.. You can't fuck with me, but your fast. Do you ever just wish you could fire everyone and just have like 10 clones..?

[@mikegresham9424]

What state are you guys in?

[@toddsmith1963]

Weave it it's the right way.

[@mwilson43609]

Lower pitch lower peak

[@steverainwater6803]

I agree with the little cubby cub cub so much more water is fishing off the 4 pitcher then the sixer but what do I know I've only been doin it 30 yrs

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

It was wrong, I wouldn't have changed it if it wasn't

[@steverainwater6803]

Lol whatever u say

[@jamessteele7322]

LOVE MAN YOUR A LOT OF HELP

[@redcloud8905]

It’s not the right way

[@zeliop6024]

This was a great video. I wasnt even working on any roofing or shingles, but i was curious on how those valleys were all shingled up together.. Thanks for some good laughs as well.

[@highqualityroofingrepairsa9368]

Its just that part Like 2 bandles removed it and tell him how to do it.. Be a leader also it was your fault If he never did something like that thats your fault not his. Also why you did instal single ply or torch or peel and stick in the lower part.

[@Sourkeyz]

Oh man! when buddy asked for a line on his rack and then started laughing about how it could be added in as a video oufff.... I felt those last 2 nails go in before the cut

[@Ermagawd]

Just had the same issue at my job with a guy who can’t be told he did something wrong. I just started ripping it off and re did it

[@mwilson43609]

I just got sent to a leak because of a backwards valley

[@UndisputedRoofer]

Boycub did it right your sending him home for doing good work? He didn't do it back wards. he did it right your teaching him wrong he should be sending you home.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

I didn't actually send him home lol and it was definitely backwards. You ALWAYS run the lower pitch side under. Unless there's some freaky pitch issue. I've had to reverse valleys half way up

[@UndisputedRoofer]

Not if it's less volume like that dormer you have way more rain coming down that roof cause its bigger it doesn't matter if that dormers steeper its 1 1/2 bundles compared to 10 or 20 square boycub had that right.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

@@UndisputedRoofer you would think that! Believe me, I had to look at it too. But the issue is explained somewhere toward the beginning of this video. I promise you do not want that cut line or "valley line" on the lower pitch because the steeper valley is gonna detour water towards that valley line and it will not move very fast on that lower pitch. This will give it time to spread under the valley line and get to those under side shingles and beyond.. eventually... if not for a rain, then snow. And you don't wanna rely on underlayment.

[@Faruk651]

Wouldn't it be nice if the shingle manufacturers offered a plus size as well. Most are around 40" long, maybe like a 48" lengths to use in these situations.

[@Indio3ce]

We call it a bleeder the shingle that goes in the valley your right flat 1st My boss that taught me always said think like water 💧 😉

[@bobcougar77]

That looks like it might be a good candidate to ut I&W as a backup. It just looks like the snow will want to really dam up there. But, what the fuck do i know. looks good from my house.

[@chrispauchay9037]

Lmao ...great video!

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Glad you enjoyed

[@brownamerican5786]

If that is in an area that gets snow you should not of shingled between those to valleys. Liberty would be a better application and then shingle the the two dormers to it.

[@mikelowe8708]

Did you really send dude home

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

No lol

[@theroofguru807]

it was right the first time no?

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

nope. probably would've been fine. but not the better way to do it. asking for trouble

[@Willdoe09]

You should of left it the way it was now it might leak because of what you did on minute 13:29

[@ethanmcmaster2994]

I hope you keep the toasty thing going forward lol

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Haha when ever I screw up I'll throw it in there

[@victorbettencourt6476]

You hired a guy who just lied to you that's all don't feel bad pull it up and do it right the small always goes over the large and you should we leave those valleys now you're going to have a little difficulty because the pitch is different on the steeper side so skip your shingles over but keep your corner in the valley to go up one two one two you get an California header in there you're just going to ask for drama in the bottom of that should have had some kind of underlayment that holds water broke the pitch is so low it ain't going to do good on dimensionals they really hold the water slow trust me put some modified or some torch on that low area and then match the color and let your shingle ears dog over it good luck with that one

[@julianrivera443]

Why send him home after making a mistake Teach him let him watch how you do it

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

It was a joke. He obviously stayed

[@julianrivera443]

@@NWIVeteranConstruction ohh that’s good 🙏but love all your videos it helps me learn how to shingle

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

@@julianrivera443 definitely wanna catch my most recent! 3 part series and I really broke down some good points and ways to limit mistakes and wasted movement

[@julianrivera443]

@@NWIVeteranConstruction I certainly will check that out

[@sbennett616]

Why didn't you rip up the other sides of those dormers. Pitches would be exact same

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

They weren't though. The part I did flattened out to a 4/12, on the other side the pitches were equal

[@avalianteffort40]

How do you align your stagger between the bottom of the valley and the top on the 4/12 pitch? The top is already shingled, so how do you know how much to offset on the bottom to get the stagger to work out?

[@woodpeckerroofing93]

Tape measure if you're smart, a bunch of scraps of shingles if you're not. Nail the tuck afterward, not naming any names JB. LMAO, inside private now public joke, he won't see. Steeper the better;)

[@THETOPGLOCK]

Hey are you guys up in lower Michigan?

[@AlbertoLopez-vj5vx]

You are professionally my respect for you because you took bad to the others roofer

[@aarongrabowski5620]

I hope you did not really send him home

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

no

[@TheDrill65]

Lets start by saying I enjoy your work content, but if you would have talked to me like you did BoyCub we both would've rolled down that roof.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Lol it's all for jokes man

[@TheDrill65]

That's what's up. I'm still a subscriber.

[@xXBuckOFiveXx]

Why do you keep saying "shingles"?? Its pronounced *SHANGLES* haha just playin. Gotta let them go find out the grass ain't always greener and just laugh when they come back with the tail tucked.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

tuck tail, lick wounds and get ready to shaangle

[@gentrifythis]

Use metal in valleys. Shingles look like shit in the valley after 10 years. 3 1/4 exposure.

[@kenwalker7550]

Agreed, and in most areas manufacturers don’t cover warranties on closed valleys

[@davidlysohirka798]

In your defense....your a terrible leader, business owner. You set forth terrible safety and roofing application practices.....everyone.....look away.

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

you are the biggest hater i have ever met. i cannot believe that you have watched every video of mine and left multiple negative comments on each of them. the fact that you have allowed your life to come to this point is that of concern at the highest level. i would seriously consider reaching out to some old friends and getting your life back. best of luck to you sir. if i see another negative comment from you i will block you. you have left at least 50 comments and they're all hateful with absolutely no reason or even criticism behind them. be normal bro

[@gradywhite9781]

How about weaving it all the way up

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

I'm doing that on a different section of this house but no necessary here

[@MoneyManHolmes]

Only certain brands allow weaving without voiding the warranty.

[@rileymcintosh4852]

@@MoneyManHolmes absolutely correct

[@gradywhite9781]

@@MoneyManHolmes can't say I ever heard that . Weaving it is a better way than a California cut especially in situations like this

[@randyjenkins8743]

@@MoneyManHolmes when have you ever used a manufacturer warranty on shingles??

[@llawnmeister1973]

I prefer woven valley’s, but more difficult on two pitches however.

[@mattb4885]

I think it’s much more difficult to get a good look from a woven valley. And personally would never do one. Yes a “Cali cut” may take more time but the way we do ours is clean and quick.

[@llawnmeister1973]

@@mattb4885 It is especially hard to get a good look on woven valleys when the pitches aren’t the same!

[@jessicacallahan9711]

So glad you said you were not serious , almost didn’t finish watching cause felt really bad for boycub. Says a lot about a contractor to eat a few dollars to make something right. 👍💕

[@UndisputedRoofer]

It's wrong boycub did it right dont worrie about matching do it right.

[@ronaldsantos2489]

I didn't see you shingling the 22sq you usually do. 😆😆😆

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

lol

[@danielbriggs3582]

Hey zach!

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

supppp

[@jfarinacci0329]

good teaching. thank you.

[@Warren3carpentry]

Good point! Nice how to vid!

[@tybutler2006]

He did it right gordy

[@deanbabowal8979]

You only needed to tear the shingles that were in the valley up could have kept most of the shingles on the small gable roof some shingles and time

[@MikeyMacneil88]

Because they were sick a small dormer. You should of went boy Cubs way

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

I thought about it. But I wouldn't of been able to sleep.

[@dylanmanning7077]

I saw the tic tok u made on this roof

[@ronaldoleksy8264]

Hey so what are your thoughts on running say like 3 rows up in a weaved pattern at the overhang then cut the valley in after the first 3 rows

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

should work just fine here! but on a normal valley i wouldn't recommend it. it would look weird. valleys look best when the cute line comes all the way down to the first shingle.

[@ronaldoleksy8264]

@@NWIVeteranConstruction Thanks on the feedback

[@hankwells8723]

Idk it cuold almost go either way

[@billljones979]

Still waiting on you showing me how to do the valley, you only did half of it is there anther video

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Yea there is.

[@billljones979]

Haha , i found it, I'll check it out, keep up the solid work

[@darrenbeller5440]

You always run valley to the steepest part your worker did it backwards which cost money and makes your company look bad. Roofing companies I've worked for to roofer would have to pay for the mistake bottom line

[@gtcivic3]

If anything this made his company look great. Admitted to doing something wrong and then fixing it.

[@brownamerican5786]

No you do not always cut the steeper side. That only is for when both ridges are the same height. If you have a dormer that is steeper than the main but the ridge is lower, you should run the dormer under, and cut the main, because you will have a greater volume of water coming off the main. Now if both ridges are the same height then you run the low pitch side under and cut the steep.

[@GrazingBull]

Nice ya hireD Boy Cub back!

[@briansamayoa5148]

Didn't you say he quit before ? Back ?

[@NWIVeteranConstruction]

Yes

[@spikep9299]

Lace it.