WOTM: Religion Makes Philosophers Stupid, Part II

[@theeldritchfox]

Two thoughts: 1) The idea of a god having "limited power" doesn't make sense as a justification for the world of suffering that we observe. Goff's argument depends on the assumption that creating an ideal world would require x amount of power. But if we're talking about a god who's literally creating all things, then the amount of power that would be required to make anything happen in any particular way would itself be the decision of such a god. Seems like the power required would be equal to the power that the creator would make it require. Just totally arbitrary. 2) I'm not sure that eliminating the property of being all-knowing would solve the issue either, because I'm not sure it's actually possible if we're talking about an ex nihilo creator. Even if we imagine a god that doesn't start out with exhaustive knowledge, it seems to me that being the creator of all things would basically bake in knowledge of all future things. If a god creates every aspect of physical reality, then surely they'd understand all the ways that the physics of that reality will work since they'd be the ones who made those properties and interactions exist in the first place. And if this is the case, then they'd know precisely which events would unfold in a universe with the properties they create. Basically Laplace's Demon.

[@misterdeity]

I love this comment so much, I'm pinning it. I wish it had been here right from the beginning. I had the very same thoughts, but couldn't articulate them in a simple way, and this video was already long. Thanks so much for taking the time. ♥

[@AdamHawkesDeveloper]

Reminds me of my favorite joke. A university dean was lamenting over budgets. He complains "Why is the computer science college so expensive!?! They need new machines constantly. Why can't they be like the math school. All they need is pencils, paper, and waste paper baskets. Or the philosophy department, they only need paper and pencil!"

[@Styphon]

Strange, I never realized I had a problem with "finely tuning". I dismiss it, no problem.

[@Kevin_Williamson]

Basically, he really wants to believe and be a Christian, but he can't because of all the issues that go with it. So he comes to a conclusion: "I'll just toss out the issues and make up my own version of God that so that I can feel OK about believing." Not a new tactic. Theists have been making adjustments to God throughout the centuries. Of course, none of these version has ever been shown to actually exist. So there's still that problem. P.S. He says atheists are "tying themselves up in knots" with the fine tuning problem. Not me. I say there is no fine tuning to begin with. Stuff is just the way it happens to be.

[@riseofdarkleela]

Exactly. My idea of fine tuning is a lot finer than the shambles we’re experiencing.

[@suicune2001]

Goff sounds like the kind of person who would say, "I'm vegan. But it's the kind of veganism where I eat fish on sunday,s chicken on tuesdays, eat eggs and dairy every day, have the occasional burger, and I just sometimes have to eat the occasional lamb who got to live a long one month life." The bible never shows Yahweh being all-anything. He's clearly not all-knowing, has zero love for anyone other than himself, and is obviously not all-powerful. That would be a good place to start. Also, his story could have just started out as a warning as to why gods shouldn't create without the involvement of female gods. It was basically a trope that deities who try to create on their own have their creations end in disaster and since by page 9 he said he regretted his creations....well.....lol

[@dougt7580]

Sounds like Goff saw how lucrative Jordy Pete's racket was and decided there's plenty of room for imitators at that table.

[@InigoMontoya-]

I am a bibliophile. I love books! Especially when the book is turned into a screenplay, and actors get together to film an interpretation of the book. I love watching those books. I don’t much care for those things that are just pages with words on them put together to make a story- I hate those things.

[@robabiera733]

I see what you did there.

[@scottstollery2191]

Loved your sneaky references to antinatalism and the consent argument in relation to the problem of suffering/evil. Keep up the great work!

[@misterdeity]

Will do. And much appreciated!!! ❤

[@lightningfirst689]

I like the idea that Denny Prager is always on standby somewhere just off-camera in case he needs to explain what this life is filled with.

[@misterdeity]

@@lightningfirst689 LOL! 😂

[@rachelmann7488]

A PhD philosopher says he rejects atheism because of fine tuning? That's just sad. That's the easiest argument to defeat. If things were different, things would be different. Fine tuning destroyed. He needs to turn in his diploma.

[@n0etic_f0x]

I am a very weird vegan, I eat steak covered in cheese it honey butter biscuits but once you cut out the purpose of being vegan you get a more sensible veganism.

[@pauligrossinoz]

You're a "Cultural Vegan" in the same way this idiot is a "Cultural Christian". 😂

[@suicune2001]

Unfortunately, I've seen people unironically say something like that. XD "I'm vegan but....." and then go on to list how not vegan they are. With those people, they just want to pat themselves on the back and give themselves a moral label. With this Goff guy, he's clearly just grifting.

[@josephbelisle5792]

Oh wise one! You have truly seen the grift.... I mean light! Your burden shall be lightened as you buy this book and enrich the grifter.... I mean faithful.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

"I'm veg, but I do eat chicken. And pork. And beef." -Jemaine Clement, in an Outback Steakhouse ad circa late 90's.

[@ZenWithKen]

Godi'sh is a level of stupid I'm not willing to entertain. I look forward to episode three of this two part series.

[@HowardThompson-ux7kf]

Oh lord, this "I'm a christian, I just don't believe in any christian stuff" is just so silly. And then christian apologists take this as some dunk on atheists. There is no church in the world that wouldn't call this heresy (well, maybe unitarian universalists). And it's a totally meaningless non-position.

[@cubearthx]

The look on Cameron's face is priceless! He is there thinking about how low he has sunken to bring on this guy to talk his god not being all powerful #burntheheretic

[@mattfoley6082]

"Did Joseph?" LMAO! Brutal!

[@deadly_dave]

They can't have their cake and eat it too. Because the cake they want is telling us we have to behave how they like (but described as how their god like) and eating it means admitting that a being with such a power does not exist.

[@radiofreeutah5328]

So his evidence for god is that the universe unfolded exactly as we'd expect it to without a god directing it in any particular way?

[@avi8r66]

Sounds like he hasn't figured out which religion will get him the most money.

[@josephbelisle5792]

Christianity. Most definitely christianity. The people most willing and able to be shucked are Christians.

[@yinYangMountain]

This, in my opinion, is an Argument by Redefinition-an Argument for Christianity by Redefinition, if you will.

[@jonovens7974]

2:44 - "A position that accounts for all the data"...Whoa slow down there..if there was any data what so ever, you wouldnt be having to continually think of "arguments for god".

[@jdm5570]

A doctorate and this is the best his epistemology can come up with? Wow. If I was his university, I'd be embarrassed.

[@markkjacobson]

People, like Goff are realizing the Christians are a cash cow. They are ripe for the picking.

[@chriscasperson5927]

I can't wait for part 8 of this three part series.

[@radiolabworks]

As Daniel Dennett aptly described it Mr. Goff 'Believes in Belief'.

[@Satans_lil_helper]

He realized that pandering to Christians is much more profitable. I don't blame him. I'm thinking of becoming a grifter myself. Times is hard.

[@suicune2001]

Yep. At this point, I'm convinced the only reason I'm not rich is because I have morals. Damnit. D:

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i'm moving my criminal activities to the US cos the police only arrest first amendment auditors and the courts just dick around with cases til they run out of time or the actual Judgement Day arrives, what a great country to be a criminal!!

[@josephbelisle5792]

It truly is a temptation. It would be sooo easy to put together a bunch of crap like this and get a publisher to publish it. It makes a lot of money off insecure people. If yes, we didn't have any sense of morality.

[@josephbelisle5792]

​@@suicune2001well said.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

His version of Christianity is laughable. “ it wasn’t murder it was murderish “ His version of God is so diluted it’s utterly meaningless.

[@oscargr_]

If you had not already invented the word "excusegist" , then you definitely needed to invent it now. This is not philosophy, this is sophistry, apologetics ... finding a mode of god to escape *one* argument against god , just for the sake of it. What if we stripped "god" of all his omnies , that would explain even more data even better. No magic required.

[@oscargr_]

Thinking about it for a minute... This comes very very close to the definition of a god of the gaps. We don't need a tri-omni god, we just need a god powerful enough to explains all the data for which we currently don't have a physical explanation.

[@postal_the_clown]

TNG had to take place far enough in the future to smooth off the edges of TOS. Then DS9 comes along to slap a little sense in the pretense. But somehow, the prequals are more sophisticated than the original because we'd gotten used to the prettier lights of the other series and the TOS based movies. Still, one thing remains consistent: the ship will always go as fast as it needs to.

[@bthearen]

This is usually one of the last steps many of us take before leaving theism altogether. Yes, contrary to what many Christians think, we never wanted to "lose our religion." In fact, some of us were so desperate to hold onto our god belief that we did exactly what this guy is doing. Trying to create some sort of god that complies with reality. Eventually, we realize this makes the god meaningless and useless. Because if god is not able or willing, then why call him God at all?

[@ChroniclogicalJeff]

God bless cherry picking. The official sport of the religious.

[@robabiera733]

Ahem: "I have found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to leave room for faith." - Immanuel Kant

[@kidlatazul]

" ... God of limited power ..." Who he's talking about is Oludumare, the Orisa (traditional religion of the Yoruba people of West Africa) god who created the universe and then retired, leaving the everyday workings of the universe to a panoply of other gods. Dude hasn't converted to Christianity, he's converted to Orisa.

[@mattfoley6082]

1. I have an old AM radio. 2. I can fine tune it for best reception. 3. Therefore, I am God. Prove me wrong, Phil.

[@Sue-xv8os]

I used to consider myself "spiritual, but not religious" (aka on the fence about God). Sounded appealing to both sides, which was my goal. But things happened to start crumbling anything connected with religion -- his church wouldn't allow strings for our wedding. Had to be organ music. No. So we went to a different church. Our church fired our beloved volunteer Sunday School teacher due to money & politics (she was divorcing one of the elders) and HIRED her replacement...and the worst thing when my brother was killed, the church elder came to say he couldn't be buried in our ancestral cemetery because he was no longer a member of the church. And this was a relative. But I still wasn't convinced -- until that Sunday when the preacher said that any culture on the face of the earth would burn in hell forever if they did not accept Jesus. Not Allah. Not Pele. Not ancestral gods. Jesus was the only way. And as a reader of good literature who happened to be reading the classic "Roots" by Alex Haley and the window I looked through at warm, moral, close families who cherished and protected their children, who had no idea who Jesus was, how could they? That was the day I walked out, of church, religion, and god, and never went back.

[@oscargr_]

Seriously? I thought William Craig gave Philosophy a bad name. But this guy isn't even a Bill Craig. His "faith" is as sincere as Hershi Ali's faith. And not a single push back from Barrytuzzi. Next stop Sean McDowell? How long this new-found faith will last depends on how many Christians buy his -bull- book. Well done Apologetics marketing department.

[@josephbelisle5792]

Well said. Craig is monster for his grift.

[@stevewebber707]

While Christianity usually like to claim their god is omnipotent, or at least all powerful, the old testament tells another story. One of a God that cheats when wrestling a mortal. One that can't defeat iron chariots. One who's primary message to his followers is the scriptures, warts and all. Oh and I'd say the God of the old testament also breaks the mold of all loving, and all knowing. So if we're editing the omnis, why stop at omnipotent? I do think it's possible to scour the bible and come up with a God that is logically possible, though that doesn't describe most versions of the traditional Christian God. However, that such a God exists, is still not evident. And finally, when he is comfortable selectively editing the bible to the extent he does, it's not the bible that information is coming from, it's the editing.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

I love the fine-tuned incompetence of the gods that witty people can concoct to be Intellectually spiritual...!

[@mattfoley6082]

"Wait...am I a Christian?" LOL You're on a roll today!

[@InigoMontoya-]

Goff: at least 18 holes in his argument.

[@misterdeity]

Sometimes fewer if you’re dealing with mini Goff.

[@thinkneothink3055]

“God” is a bastard word-a word in search of a meaning. There are as many definitions of “God” as there are believers in God. That’s the beauty of a word referring to something that doesn’t exist.

[@karlwhite2733]

Typical nonsensical religious gibberish. Anything excuses for their imaginary friend.

[@n0etic_f0x]

_”What if my imaginary friend is just an idiot!”_ Is… quite the… well not accomplishment. I mean, that’s why I don’t see fine tuning, it’s not running well. People are very mad about how flawed it is.

[@gergelymagyarosi9285]

Wow. It's almost like even "smart" people don't believe in God for intellectual reasons.

[@CaptainCaveman123]

@@karlwhite2733 I am still waiting on HOW AND WHY grown folks ca worship an Admitted Pedophile, slave promoting Genocide etc..... but to openly WORSHIP A PEDOPHILE. GODDAMN NOW YA SICK SICKSICK...

[@AssassinoJake]

"An omni god doesnt really make sense. But if you go for something 'god-ish' then you can have your cake and eat it too!" From what I've learned from your "the god dustraction" series, all i have to say is, "So what? Why should i care about this god then?" If god can't really help or at least try to work with us to help, why should i care? Why should i even acknowledge its existence?

[@jimbob8992]

Cameron is desperate to show off his new prize, but you can see his reaction to the idea of a God of limited power. He's really going to struggle selling that to his audience. Because whenever the god question pops up, some will ask 'well who created god? To which we get the low bar bill response, un-caused first cause, etc. But now the Christian god could just be a product of the one true god of unlimited power, and so and so forth....

[@suicune2001]

It's almost like Yahweh was a minor warlord storm deity who was created by El. lol

[@Max_Doubt]

Atheist: "What do you call people who don't believe in God?" Apologist: "Atheist fools." Atheist: "But atheists are far outnumbered by billions of theists who don't believe in God. Why are you singling out atheists for criticism?" Apologist: "Because for me to criticize non-Christian theists would be perceived as religious intolerance."

[@cathyharrop3348]

Every Christian believes that half (or more) of the people who believe they are Christians really aren't, yet KZbin excusigists and theologians spend all their efforts on atheists and apostates. Please, go save the people who WANT TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP with God and leave the people who have decided your Afterlife has no appeal alone.

[@riseofdarkleela]

@@cathyharrop3348what fun is that!? /s

[@jdm5570]

Atheists don't have to do anything about fine tuning. Fine tuning is not demonstrated anymore than the god he purports to have con-verted to.

[@robabiera733]

God: "I never explain anything."

[@suicune2001]

​@@robabiera733 More like: Me: "God, wanna hang out?" God: "......" Me: "Hey God, can I ask you a question?" God: "....." Me: "Ummm, God? Can you please answer me? I'm really struggling..." God: "....." Me: "Ok ...Since I never get an answer, I guess God isn't real." Theists: "OMG! You don't believe in God because you're ignoring him!!"

[@c.a.t.732]

It's hard for me to wrap my head around the concept of a "God-ish" who could create an estimated 100 billion to 2 trillion galaxies but was powerless to create life without evil on our tiny little planet.

[@misterdeity]

And how exactly is God’s power constrained - how and why? I would think creating an entire universe from nothing would be far more difficult than just making everyone like my daughter, and making it so that we all get our energy from some kind of photosynthesis, rather than eating each other. This is just a bunch of stupid stuff.

[@donaldnumbskull9745]

So, does he believe in the fall? The resurrection? Redemption? Where does he stand on the works/faith alone spectrum? I get that he now believes in _a_ god, but why choose the Christian one? _Has_ he chosen the Christian god in any meaningful sense? These questions and many others may be answered in the next part of this [pick a number] part series!

[@istvansipos9940]

"but why choose the Christian one?" in christian countries, doubt is legal. Knowledge is usually everywhere. f..e internet. And many christian countries are 1st world countries. People can and do have doubts, AND they can pay you to say something aginst those doubts. The dude chose the BEST SELLING g0d.

[@suicune2001]

@@istvansipos9940 Yeah but the U.S. as a first world country is basically last in every metric and about to get MUCH MUCH worse because the Christians elected agent orange.

[@josephbelisle5792]

As you say, this belief can apply to any god. So why Christinaity? Money baby. The font of dollars christians are willing to give up is insane. Make it rain by selling a book on christianity. People who believe in Zeus probably are not many and probably won't give up any money for stupid books.

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂

[@PeterLGଈ]

Just one more version of God to add to the pot. The number of gods not believed in goes up every day.

[@pauligrossinoz]

This was funny! This dopey "new-Christian" cuts the heart and soul out of Christianity and then says "See Christians! I fixed Christianity! I'm one of you now!!!" _Pathetic!_ 🤣

[@c.k.8412]

Phil's got some pretty squishy philosophy ideas he's operating with there. Perhaps he needs to explain how a good god of limited powers fits in with any comprehensible religion as understood by his buddy Cameron there. Fun to watch him try to use atheist arguments to make his point. Phil went into the dark room looking for the black cat that isn't there and came out with a stuffed animal that doesn't resemble the cat he was looking for at all.

[@ianchisholm5756]

I'd love to see the "data" that Goff's new theology explains.

[@MichaelWizard-dt9ve]

He has to pull it out of his backside.

[@tctheunbeliever]

Screw the virgin birth, what about that Resurrection thing? He never mentions whether he believes in that one. I was of the impression that it was kinda important to christians.

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." (Carl Sagan)

[@robertlight5227]

And juvenile brainwashing.

[@OceanusHelios]

This principle applies to people who are compulsive believers. Big-foot truthers, Ancient-giants truthers, Aliens-truthers, Atlantis-truthers... That Atlantis ones are the worst. That one is a pipeline into the neo-nazi cults.

[@claudiaxander]

Like my psychic yet selfishly silent chicken always used to say, whenever he was alone, if it's unfalsifiable you gotta put it on the big pile of unfalsifiables and leave it there!

[@josephbelisle5792]

Wise chicken. No wonder it was silent and only spoke when alone.

[@dustinellerbe4125]

Just brilliant!

[@josephbelisle5792]

This kind of disengenuousness makes my head hurt. It's not stupidity. It's grift. He is pandering to an audience, a source of income, that can't believe in religion but aren't ready to liberate themselves from nonsense. People who run around saying 'I am spiritual' as if clinging to a complete lack of evidence can be made presentable somehow. This guy is a full blown schmuck seeking to make money off more schmucks.

[@ziploc2000]

Agreed, the "Not religious but spiritual" crowd annoy me more then the religious. They still need to hang onto the idea of eternal life because they can't bear the thought of eventually not existing anymore.

[@suicune2001]

​@@ziploc2000 To be fair, it's far easier to be spiritual than religious. I discarded religion as a kid but was spiritual for a long time. I used to think I saw ghosts and had friends who would say "Yep. There's a ghost in here. Just like you said." We have tons of movies and stories and people who claim they also see ghosts. I knew a woman who claimed to be a powerful psychic and seemed credible at the time. I think she honestly believes it herself. Funny enough, recently studying Christianity got me to go back and evaluate what I heard and believed and I wound up throwing all of it out. There are too many contradictions in people's statements with zero scientific proof.

[@Donald_McE]

I suspect Phillip's "conversion" might be a Happy-Wife-Happy-Life scenario. I'd be interested in finding out whether this is the case or whether I'm projecting here and Phillip is merely an over-educated nitwit, which might also be projection on my part - the nitwit self-own part not the over-educated part. Peace.

[@KeithCooper-Albuquerque]

I think he's another grifter.

[@Max_Doubt]

I don't like playing Hide & Seek with gods. They never let _me_ be the hider!

[@john211murphy]

Definitely a CONversion.

[@DenisLoubet]

Does he realize that evolution destroys the Adam and Eve storyline? > The Original Sin storyline? > The Jesus storyline? He's eviscerated the word Christian.

[@misterdeity]

Religion: The grift that keeps on grifting!

[@naomiandtommccabe]

I think Goff fits Mel Brooks’ term for a stand up philosopher. A bullshit artist.

[@jenst.]

In light of the valid counterpoint made in this video, i might suggest an alternative: the d-god or dumb god hypothesis. This good is very powerful, might even be all-powerful, and he is all-good. He is just very dumb und bery forgetful. So he plays around with his powers, creates our universe by accident and then forgot about it after 5 mins. Problem solved (you can even worship him, but he is probably forgetting what you wished for in your prayer)

[@misterdeity]

You’ve kinda described Mr. Deity. He turned off his omniscience and became an idiot! LOL! 😂

[@Sue-xv8os]

So good to hear you. So good to know there are thinking minds out there, somewhere. So good to learn from you. This guy is simply confused or scared; probably both. His insecurity is obvious. He wants approval from everyone, so he will not be honest with himself because he's insecure about the whole god thing.

[@misterdeity]

And he definitely wants to sell some books.

[@RustyWalker]

I'm not sure atheists are tying themselves up in knots trying to explain fine tuning. Theists are trying to tie atheists up in knots by demanding they explain fine-tuning when the atheist isn't entirely sure it's not just an artifact of observer bias.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Fine tuning has never been demonstrated as it's all semantics games made up around imaginary numbers. Nobody has a comparison to base likelihood on and none if these number j6gglibg exercises considers HOW unlikely a being so completelly unlike any known life would be in top of "natural implausibility" . It's a hoax to impress those who want to believe with giant numbers, but it is not funded on any solid maths.

[@3goldfinger]

They will find some way to make money, there is enough confused people to finance these people 😢

[@DownByTheLakeHouse]

I love it when you play that Prager clip. 😹

[@misterdeity]

I do too!!! It’s such an epic self-own! If you haven’t seen my series on the PragerU afterlife videos, check it out. It’s one of my personal favorites. Let me know if you need the link.

[@foppishdilletaunt9911]

The vertigo inducing, horrid shirt Cameron B is wearing proves there is no tri-omni god. I came over and subscribed after seeing the video you did with Mr Ra. I truly appreciate your efforts. Thanks for your work.

[@misterdeity]

Thanks for subbing! ❤

[@marywolf2620]

Thanks!

[@misterdeity]

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[@ChipArgyle]

So he's good with believing in God, so long as he's free to make up his own God who happens to also believe in all the things we've come to know in . Problem is, he'll have to make up another god in the future, once we've learned some more stuff.

[@misterdeity]

I suspect he’s okay with that. 😂

[@mads5000]

You finally got it, Ive been waiting for this moment for ages, YES you are a christian!!!

[@FSMDog]

If that's a PhD then I'm glad I didn't bother....

[@suicune2001]

Right. There must be zero job prospects for his field and he's desperate.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i stopped at a Ba, man's gotta know his limitations.

[@InigoMontoya-]

@@HarryNicNicholasI am an expert in BS.

[@drewharrison6433]

I don't know about the rest of you but personally, I'm not twisting myself up in knots trying to explain fine tuning. I don't think it needs to be explained because it isn't tuned at all. I really don't understand why he would think this is a problem.

[@Zahaqiel]

And God looked and saw that the tuning was fine, I guess?

[@PeterLGଈ]

Well, his version of a god should be good for a couple of books, surely? Then he can change his mind again...

[@drfoxcourt]

How convoluted must the apologist's claim be such that we should all avoid the need for actual objective evidence. Without the 'omni's, The ancient gods like Apollo, Odin, and Ptah make just as much sense and still there is no evidence.

[@Maryfs1]

This video is filled with an immeasurable amount of snark and sassiness. 😂

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂

[@jameshollomon44]

Fine tuning? We are beset by euridite and well-educated idiots.

[@conorfus]

They just keep getting closer to the truth. Keep taking gods power away little by little.

[@AssassinoJake]

3:02 Wait... if god is still omniscient, then he would still know a lot of things we would have figured out today like "hey, just a heads up, maje sure this gets put jnto my holy book ok? Racism is bad, sexism is also bad, slavery... eh, ok look you are going to want to develop and do away with that practice asap that should be your goal as a society. And if someone acts all righteous and holy than thou, try to make sure you know what this guy has fone so you don't get dupped, ok? And shelfish, you can eat it you just need to prepare it correctly." Idk, if im an omniscient god maybe i try to explain what i can and stay in contact as my people are figuring this stuff out!

[@suicune2001]

Yep. When Jesus said you don't need to worry about washing your hands, that was part of his divine plan. lol

[@jimscott9974]

Godish? I think it's more bullsh*tish.

[@misterdeity]

LOL! 😂

[@CB66941]

Honestly, for as many of the problems I have with his reasoning, if Christians everywhere can concede that God is not all powerful, I'd take it. It would dismantle so many Christian apologetics and show that maybe not everything in the bible should be followed. I can also propose an alternative hypothesis. That God is omnipotent and omniscient, but is entirely indifferent to human suffering. There is no reason to think God created humans to have an afterlife later. God could have decided this is all the life we get now.

[@misterdeity]

YES!!! If you’re going to drop one of the omnis, isn’t God’s goodness the most logical - the one with mountains of evidence behind it?!!! ❤❤❤

[@autonomouscollective2599]

Let me see if I got this right… A god of _limited_ power managed to create a _perfectly_ fine-tuned universe? _Right…….._

[@blahblingo7605]

Thats a really good observation.

[@misterdeity]

@@autonomouscollective2599 Yes. But it’s perfectly fine-tuned for bacteria. We’re collateral damage.

[@suqmadiq68]

I expect a book to follow.

[@misterdeity]

Me too.

[@theloniusmoine9928]

God is tri-omni and also tri-personal. The father is all-powerful, the holy ghost is all-knowing and the son is all-loving. They're just not on the same page. I cracked the code!

[@misterdeity]

I hear He’s also tri-tipped!

[@suicune2001]

I've suspected for a while he has multiple personality syndrome. 😂

[@greatcaesarsghostwriter3018]

5:00 So God is just the new hire at the Universe Factory?

[@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv]

Epistemological standards of Low Bar Bill. E' pist on mount illogical cause he Kant help it. - Ethelred Hardrede

[@ryantennyson7562]

So there's a god-lite now. Same bullshit, less sense.

[@rimmersbryggeri]

clearly had to wittle god down to fit the hole in his life.

[@pauligrossinoz]

*Hulk:* _Puny god._ 🙄

[@kentjensen5216]

Godish? Good god of limited power? My, my, where was this erudition when I was trying to figure out ninth grade algebra? If I could have just said that my answers to those algebraic equations was truish, I could have been another Pythagoras.

[@misterdeity]

I will now forever ever think of you as Pythagoras Lite.

[@robabiera733]

@@misterdeity LOL!

[@jackbarman7063]

A god doesn’t solve the fine tuning problem, it just kicks the can. If you use god as an explanation for fine tuning, now you have to explain why a finely tuned god exists rather than a not finely tuned god or some other being or entity.

[@BaronTomR]

I will say that this is one of the better explanations on how religion continues to exist. He's so desperate to believe that there's more to life than just our mortal lives (spiritual but not religious), that he manipulates the definition of God to make it work. It's hard to argue with someone who changes the rules when someone gets too close to forcing them to face the truth.

[@misterdeity]

Great points!!! ❤

[@Saje3D]

A lot of folks can’t pass beyond ego death. The notion they might simply cease to exist. I like to think I might continue in some form rather than simply cease to be, but not so much I’m inclined to lie to myself about things that are provably untrue.

[@suicune2001]

​@@Saje3D I used to think that but if ghosts are real then it seems to be a pretty miserable existence. I'd rather just not exist.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

Wait.... am I a Christian 😂😂😂 How do I reach you my friend?

[@misterdeity]

mrdeity... the "at" symbol... then mrdeity again, and the dot com thing.

[@WasOne2]

Love it

[@markevans8206]

Fine tuning does not tie me up in knots. I have no idea what physical constants are even possible, and neither does anyone making a fine tuning argument.

[@mattfoley6082]

4:44 "Anathink". New word.

[@markevans8206]

The grift is strong with this one.

[@holgerlubotzki3469]

Phillip Goff is doing a Jordan Peterson and making shit up to sell books and get clicks.

[@nacoran]

I don't know... I mean I see no reason to throw a god into it, but lots of people bring kids into the world knowing they won't be able to protect them from everything. I'm fine, at least philosophically, with the idea of a god missing an omni and that shielding him from being truly philosophically evil. But that's just philosophy. That still leaves two gaping holes... (and your mom). The first one is still 'Why should I worship him?' The stuff his followers espouse is often demonstrably evil. And second, how does a super powerful being come into existence in the first place?

[@misterdeity]

The analogy of people having children doesn’t work because human parents don’t know with perfect knowledge what the children will experience. If you knew that having sex on Tuesday would create a child who would experience horrific suffering, and little else, I would bet money that you would refrain from having sex on Tuesday.

[@Donald_McE]

@@misterdeity Yes, I'd wait until Sunday in between NFL games on television.

[@ToonamiT0M]

This is a true story. I was raised mildly Catholic, but I also loved learning science. Around late elementary school to early middle school I had begun to deconstruct my religious beliefs. This was because what I was being told in church didn't align with what I knew about science. Because of this, as a child, I invented the idea that God was real, just not as all powerful as the priest was saying and that God set everything in motion, but let evolution and the forces of nature just do their thing. Immediately after coming up with this idea I stopped and asked myself, why was I making up excuses to justify continuing to believe in this religion and god when none of what I was being told fit into the facts of reality. By highschool I was an atheist, though I didn't know there was a word for it until college. So, this idoet came up with the same excuse as child me, but instead used it to continue justifying his faith rather than to critically analyze what he believed. Wild!

[@misterdeity]

Impressive! ❤ And yes, this is why the title for this series is as it is. Religion has taken this trained philosopher, and rolled his intelligence back to the level of you as a teen.

[@smitisan4984]

So one of those limits on Godish's power is that Ishy can't warn certain people to get out of Germany before the Nazis take over? Or America before Jan 20th? Maybe the Ish should contract out those jobs to the Thousand-Armed Buddhas?

[@jfxl1977]

A "godish" system of belief is what the pagans had millennia ago. Why chose the bland, milquetoast one!?