WTF Is Going On In The Manosphere?

This one might ruffle some feathers. I've hesitated to fully dive into things like redpill, the "manosphere", etc. over the years-mostly because all I see are misconceptions and infighting. But maybe it's time to look a little deeper.
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[@truettadevil]

That Fresh & Fit guy (the Bert, not the Earnie) was an agent of Homeland Security. This whole manosphere is a psyop...

[@1991-present]

Not Bert and Ernie😄

[@kylelougnot]

Interesting

[@lastinline4322]

Someone is off the meds again.

[@ajcastellon5903]

agreed. I think there's some sincere creators and that's a maybe. but it's all dividing people. divide and conquer same old game. stay on your toes peeps.

[@toddjohnson271]

SO all falsehood psyops? Ummmm NOT

[@JDoggNation]

You're not doing the same thing. You are bringing sobriety and they are bringing drunken hate. Same goals but those groups are reactivate while you are being proactive. Keep up the great work my dude. I'm listening to your book while I'm going through a rough break up and figuring myself out. You have helped a lot. 🙏

[@ManTalks]

Appreciate that and am glad to hear you're enjoying the book! Lots of solid work in there.

[@powerliftingpremedcrafter473]

Very well said!

[@cng2009]

Excellent breakdown of the Manosphere and the oversimplification of "how to be a man" to fitness or becoming attractive to certain female personalities or psychologies. Doing the shadow integration and really being abe to BE with what is within us and our past is the really key to freedom and greatness IMO

[@tubalcain6874]

This young man has some good talking points. I recently turned 65, still employed, a man of faith, I never married, and I’m not losing sleep over it. This red pill business reminds me of the male version of catty infantile girls.

[@ahmadshakaib1311]

lord, give me the strength to follow in these footsteps

[@ac4486]

Good stuff. Slightly disappointed in the reference to "woke ideology" which is an overused (by the people youre criticising), loosely defined catch all phrase to throw at anyone with the audacity to call out bullshit, which I see no problem with personally. Hoped to make it through a video without a derogatory reference to the imagined "woke" left. Will continue to give your channel a chance tho. All the best 👍

[@Kris-ym2zr]

Great video. I've noticed that I only gravitate towards creators and videos where the added value is a powerful and useful message rather than drama. I like that concept of social cohesion being a key element of an alpha's added value. I've both naturally been able to do and worked to enhance that area of my skillset because it's been useful, but the way you broke it down and backed it up helped me understand the value of doubling down on that skillset moving forward.

[@ManTalks]

Appreciate that, I agree, I gravitate to those types of channels as well.

[@contracthit9839]

He is not impartial he has a bias against men...

[@CyanTeamProductions]

I think Hypergamy is making everyone unhappy. The bottom majority of men can’t get relationships and when they do they are constantly worried about cheating. Most women keep trying to obtain commitment from the top few guys which will more than likely not commit to them. And the top men live sexful lives, but they are deeply unhappy and unfulfilled. This system is making everyone deeply unhappy and online dating, social media, etc is making it worse. My biggest worry is that this is the natural state of things.

[@brianmeen2158]

How do you know the top men are deeply unhappy and unfulfilled? The few guys I know that live that sort of life seem much happier than the average person. Social media is pretty toxic though but good luck trying to get everyone to go back to the old way

[@CyanTeamProductions]

@@brianmeen2158 Like look at people like Andrew Tate, they are miserable. I’ve met some big Wall Street guys a few years ago. They had like 0 hobbies and were also mega depressed despite having close to 10 million dollars each.

[@TGP109]

I know some of those ''chads''. They'll basically live out their lives working, then drop dead. They have no family and few real friends, only other guys they drink with.@@brianmeen2158

[@Infamous1892]

I vibe with what you're saying. I entered this space to find some pussy, but I found people like Alan Roger Currie and Rom Wills who showed me how to be a man. They teach self improvement and to not whine about life, but these current Red Pill content creators are more concerned with looking Good, shaming other men for not being like them, and the constant bitching about female nature is so boring. Women are gonna be women, can't help that. Only thing you can do is live life, and watch out for toxic people. Good video.

[@mrsherwood2599]

​@tam4959 sometimes, not often, the broad brush is an underappreciated tool. We are not in the area of modern human behavior; we are in the space of evolutionary psychology.

[@Nr1Suchti]

To me some of the red pill guys just dont come across as men who sincerely do their inner work, who go to therapy, who developed a deep rooted, grounded, loving attitude towards themselves and others, be it other males, females or children with the goal of being the full expression of themselves and the goal to nourish real connection in a authentic and true way of being a man. Positive examples would be guys from The Sacred Sons, Trevor Boehm from the Uncivilized Nation, or also The Man Enough Podcast. These men take their paths and inner work serious. To me the Red Pill Guys come across more like hurt people who are (still) acting more on their not yet uncovered woundings, personal and from society. I think this is also why they get so much attention, because this is the state of most of the people and men in our world. But such men and their ideologies/philosophies are at best incomplete and lacking real responsibility, and at worst dangerous and harmful because they stop boys (regardles of age) from becoming men.

[@drumminham]

I couldn't disagree more. They're just not prioritizing a culture of women who don't prioritize family and traditional moral values. Now are there some that promote a playboy like lifestyle? Yes, but most are promoting self improvement and accountability which is exactly what boys need to become men

[@Nr1Suchti]

@@drumminham would you give me 3 positive examples that talk and embody responsibility/accountability towards themselves and those around them?

[@jjm2948]

I’d say most are conveying good solid groundwork for path forward through this disheartening time where women take little to no accountability and only want to cultivate their egos. Sure maybe they could be a little more loving, but hard times need hard men and we are at that tipping point we’re hard times are coming and the soft boys need solid groundwork and solid truths

[@asierra3100]

@MZ 💯🔥

[@sbrooks904]

@@drumminham absolutely none of them take real accountability. working out and getting money is their solution.

[@christophernash8166]

You deserve to have at least 100,000 subscribers. Great content.

[@greenmedic88]

Simply put, they are competing for marketshare in an increasingly crowded market, for an unfortunately growing, yet still quite finite audience. There are only so many minutes in the day an average guy can devote to watching KZbin videos on Manosphere content. It's sales. It's branding and marketing. It's posing and posturing. And yes; it's entertainment. And time will tell whether it's doing more harm than it's worth, even if it does open some eyes to alternate perspectives on what young men should be doing with their lives and where they want to be. You're analyzing this as though it's nothing but good actors within the Manosphere with the best of intentions.

[@ManTalks]

Another solid perspective. Thank you. Yes, I try to approach most things through positive intent. I agree that a lot of young men will begin to see through the smoke screen and see what else they can be doing with their lives and who they want to be or emulate.

[@AlterEgoPerspectivewBronxGirl]

Beautifully said…. I’m instantly a new subscriber. 😊

[@ManTalks]

Outstanding, welcome!

[@Therian12280]

Beautifully put. Those guys are just bulls in a paddock fighting. Meanwhile the cows are eating and doing there own thing. The thing is are mankind animals?

[@toddjohnson271]

"Red pill" is a metaphor for acceptance of reality. If someone has a problem with anyone's content than expose it, define where it goes wrong. Saying it can be generally toxic has no value.

[@somabalestra1131]

ironically, they don't accept it.

[@refrigeratormagnet1680]

@@somabalestra1131 examples or it didn't happen.

[@somabalestra1131]

@@refrigeratormagnet1680 Men who accept the reality of the male and female nature aren't usually Red Pillers and disassociate themselves from the red pill. They might have identified with the red pill 5 years ago but now they avoid it.

[@venkyratnam]

Your content is more mature, calm, collected, detailed, has substance and doesn't go on an overdrive of hating women. Their content is spicier, aggressive debates which is more appealing to a large block of teenage boys.

[@Therian12280]

What is a woman worth? Is a question asked by these groups. Try being the one who carrys and gives her life to bring another into the World through all sorts of emotional and physical transformation. Is that not worth dinner or treating a woman like she matters.

[@refrigeratormagnet1680]

Count the number of dates you think the average woman has been on in her life, add it up, multiply by whatever you think a date should cost, and then ask yourself if you could afford to pay that bill and still provide for a family. If no, you are unreasonable.

[@robertgold2378]

No because an animal can do just that.

[@TheGiantMidget]

Jesus was the ultimate alpha

[@CoachatCole]

Im sorry but I don’t see many content creators going after each other. They do mention each other but I don’t see the level of back biting you are referring to.

[@weareabove4233]

This is all run by people who have funny little hats..

[@crazydolphin33]

A bunch of Steins, Bergs and Cohens.

[@kladmudrosti]

Great content! Thank you for clarifying this point, because I feel the same way, but сan't find the words. Please, give some advices on who do you recommend to follow on KZbin, or what books to read.

[@ManTalks]

Hey, well first off I hope that you subscribe to my channel and check out the book I wrote, Mens Work: mantalks.com/mens-work-book/ There are some other solid channels out there that are doing solid work, all depends on what you enjoy and want to learn. What are you wanting to focus on or dig into?

[@amos10006]

I agree with your remark on men's social value being judged on their ability to hold a group together. Our world is constantly changing and the economic conditions have made it harder for everyone to support themselves, never mind provide for a family. Feminism has made great strides in breaking down barriers for women which has allowed them to become more self sufficient. That simultaneously increases the amount of competition in the workforce and it raises the bar for men when it comes to dating. Women do not necessarily need men just to pay the bills anymore, just holding down a job might not be enough to find a partner. This is where you see a lot of the Redpill community come into play, they see that the old script for men isn't working anymore and they try to sell an exaggerated parody of traditional masculinity as the solution. The irony is that the "alpha males" old were the reason that feminism was so successful. You cannot maintain group cohesion when you're being led around by a bastard. I hate the term toxic masculinity, I think masculine toxicity is more appropriate. Because that's what Redpill is, it teaches you how to be toxic and force that toxicity onto others through masculinely framed behaviors. That all being said I'll caution you against leaning hard into the idea that you can position yourself in the center in order to create harmony. That assumes that it is possible for the world to be harmonious, but the left (and I mean that in a Marxist sense, not in a culture war sense) has spent a lot of time exploring that philosophy and have made some pretty compelling arguments against it (Das Kapital). Thats not to say that seeking out harmony is bad, but as MLK pointed out in his Letter from Birmingham Jail peace and justice are two separate concepts. Peace can temporarily exist without justice, but it is only a matter of time before tensions flare and another challenger disturbs the peace because the "alpha" didn't establish a sense of justice that is the prerequisite for group cohesion.

[@khan507]

We need more men like you!

[@SA-vz7qi]

You seem to have no concept of what you are discussing. The manosphere is a general category applied to a collection of content which is very varied. That is not a "movement." Rollo Tomassi is someone who hung around long enough to lay claim to ideas which he did not develop. The people you are listing are a continuity of PUAs. It is no longer cool so they don't like the title. But things like MRAs, MGTOW, IBMOR, etc. Have very little in common with the PUA scene. When you just accept the likes of Tomassi's framing you are giving him what he wants.

[@mcsmash4905]

i do like how here in the balkans alot of this is simply not a thing in our society and thank god for that

[@Jay-ef2ii]

What do you think of Wheat Waffles?

[@vacatedarchitecture]

I feel like these kind of rigid constructs do no work for me in a practical way. I get the sense that they’re generally pushing me to be a person that I can’t relate with, henceforth, actually eroding my self confidence and whatever assurance I’d previously had in myself.

[@dalewhite4759]

This guy is so spot on it’s unreal!

[@JDoggNation]

Great video!

[@ih8christopher449]

give an example of someone representing social cohesion? I can't think of many.. the gap is too wide.

[@b.a.johnson5820]

Connor, I enjoyed this video along with all the others that I've seen. So please keep up the good work. In regards to this one. First off I'll admit that I'm dated in that I'm in my mid-60s. So, as an older man I'll have a different perspective. I was divorced in the latter 90s. At the time I didn't want the divorce. Back then was when I took my first dose of the red pill. The way I got beat up in court gave me a case of the red pill rage. I've lost one of my three kids due to parental alienation. An ugly topic that is seldom discussed. So I took more red pills because the legal system shows that husbands are disposable and fathers are reduced to being a cash cow. Back then I didn't even know about the red pill, hypergamy, MGTOW, etc. But after the divorce my ex wound up marrying a man who I figured out made about twice as much as me. His home was really nice in the type of neighborhood that she always wanted to be in. Now she was finally on par with her sibling. Before discovering the men's movement I went MGTOW without knowing others have too. I have no regrets about doing it. I wish this type of information was available when I was young in the 70s. Looking back I can see how clueless I was. But it's out there now and my sons & other young men know of it. In regards to others in the manosphere. There are many but some others that are worth watching are Dr. Shawn T. Smith, Rich Cooper, Anthony D. Johnson, Better Bachelor and Strong Successful Male. All have their takes and styles. I find watching them and the ones you mentioned all of value. I too, have been horrified and dissappointed with some of the in-house fighting. The manosphere needs to stand united as it makes the movement more respectable. Those that do the fighting need to learn from former president Thomas Jefferson who would most always ignore nor respond to certain types of personal critiques.

[@mrsherwood2599]

This comment is too good, mature and cogent to not receive responses.

[@funkfarmer7125]

Went my own way 20 years ago, best move I ever made. Hey modern women "don't need no man " anyway right? That works because I definitely don't need them either. We can all be "strong and independent" and stay far far away from each other. The difference is I'm actually happy and fulfilled in solitude, women need attention and validation more than oxygen.

[@toddjohnson271]

Yes, women need men, either through quotas, government force, legal contracts. It's all a scam term of a temporary first world. Men don't need women temporarily but society will collapse.

[@camuppodcast]

Can we cam up about this

[@alitava6844]

"Don't look who is saying, look what is saying". It is not important some of the manosphere activist act immature, just look they are right in most of arguments and us (men) should do something before its too late.

[@rabbychan]

Did you watch Tomassi's oldest uploads? (agree, he turned into a drama queen, gossip girl in recent years) Judging by the way you talk about him you didn't...

[@karenmassey8354]

7:44 Now you understand what women are going through out in the dating world.

[@zooooks749]

Did it to themselves lmao

[@venkyratnam]

What are they going through? Please elaborate.

[@karenmassey8354]

@@venkyratnam 7:44

[@venkyratnam]

​@@karenmassey8354 He is talking about the podcast host Myron and how that guy comes across in few of his debates. That's what he mentions from the time stamp 7:44 that you provided. So is Myron the issue that all women are facing in their dating lives?

[@mrsherwood2599]

Men asserting their wants and needs? Poor girl.

[@TerranArt]

Lol Normie thinks himself wise

[@SuperDagod1]

It’s not a religion

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

who are you?

[@ManTalks]

I’m Connor, who are you?

[@djwhakademiks]

I'M THE PRIZE 💯

[@lemoy1101]

Noix du deez

[@contracthit9839]

This guy should be called womans talks because he sees the attraction equation through a female lens....He should strive for impartiality....

[@jx1668]

I hate fresh and fit. The tribe of men is good through and Kevin Samuels was spot on. Same with Andrew Tate. I like pearl as well but she needs to stop talking to feminist it's useless and annoying

[@genovasquez8361]

I love fresh and fit and juspearlythings...

[@BigglesFlysAgin]

This Beta provider Simp is scared to register any kind of support for the Manosphere because he is married and his wife would probably divorce him if he did. The Manosphere has taught me so much about the nature of women but greatest thing is how modern marriage is one of the riskiest things a man can do in his life.

[@ManTalks]

Glad to hear the manosphere has helped you. I have a lot of love and support for the manosphere, and it seems you missed my point. I'm not disrespecting the space, or its validity, i'm pointing out that there is a lot of childish, feminine in-fighting. A lot of the guys I've read and respected over the years have got caught in petty hit videos for clicks. It also doesnt seem like you listened to the video at all and are just copy / pasting the usual BS about how great and alpha you think you are compaired to anyone actually doing something with their life. Guaranteed you wouldn't say most of this garbage IRL, to my face. Lastly - I've had guys like Stirling Cooper on my show and have Rollo Tomassi coming on my show as well -- who, btw, is married. Yes marriage is a risk, but it takes balls and some intelligence to do it the right way, on your own terms, and find the right woman to do it with.

[@venkyratnam]

What have you learned about this "nature of women"? 😂

[@theryangarber]

Looks like your comment just proves his point.

[@somabalestra1131]

@@ManTalks "i'm pointing out that there is a lot of childish, feminine in-fighting. " You mean toxic femininity? cause femininity is a nurturing and a positive energy. Please don't associate such negative energy to femininity.