Wuthering Waves is a BETTER GAME than Genshin Impact (**ALL THE REASONS WHY**)

[@SolaceSaga]

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[@Zip_bomb]

I also play genshin like a long time ago but I uninstalled it because I don't know how the game work but after 2 or so years I see the new 4.0 update I get interested I installed it again and then wuwa came out so I don't play genshin anymore but have special place in my heart 💜

[@PurbleSun]

Hi, new watcher of your Channel. You forgot a lot of reasons like u dont need to pay for QoL in WuWa. For example a full exploration Team in GI cost u 1200+ USD if u unlucky, Natlan makes it even worse.

[@nevermore6540]

If a newer game with newer technology isn't better than a 4 year old game, I'd call it a failure. 😂😂😂

[@PurbleSun]

@@nevermore6540 WuWas is made with unreal engine 4 not 5 which was released 2014, so no new technology. PGR also imade by Kuro Games is older than GI,PGR and GI have same engine, PGR has better Animation, Character Models, Visual Effects but no openworld, ist is not an openworld game

[@SolaceSaga]

@@nevermore6540 league of legends has entered the chat

[@irisn41]

i dont care which one is better i played both but i've stopped spending on genshin and spend on wuwa instead thats a fact

[@makotoyuki2199]

I quit Genshin at Adventure Rank 59, and having moved to Wuthering Waves since Version 1.0 was an absolute godsend. I've been playing Wuthering Waves extensively since release, with only minor breaks taken due to life circumstances (not the game's fault at all), and I've just been happy with WuWa. My waves have thoroughly been wuthered, and I couldn't be more proud of Kuro Games for making a game that actually competes with Genshin, rather than the failed killers that have been obscured by time .

[@chiefdaji8050]

Kuro : "Devs Listen" Hoyo: Here is an update to TCG that no one asked

[@ANoobInvoid]

TCG players: 🤪

[@leostiffer530]

They should make tcg separated from genshin ... It waste of space for mobile player ..

[@FeixiaoLiao]

No honestly, do they even update TCG frequently?? They update it like thrice a year and no more

[@kwanshinoda7859]

@@Tamytaummta TCG is fun, but it should be separate game, like Gwen in The Witcher 3, instead Hoyo should focus more on the "GENSHIN" experience, which sadly they did not.

[@TheChoosenOne_CarlW]

TCG are the worst thing in the game. Ive already done TCG and being an Lv 10, and my experience its not good, the animation is so long i feel like i want to rip off myself. I guess moving TCG to "Download able content" is pretty much better move rather than forcing someone to download it, its better for mobile and PC who have a small storage.

[@John-hz8xy]

As someone who plays both, Wuwa killed genshin's vibe for me.

[@eduardomattos7850]

genshin feels outdated and rusty, I completly agree with you when you speak about combat, genshin is easier and people and enjoy it, but WuWa is refined

[@SolaceSaga]

@@eduardomattos7850 true. I could never dislike the Genshin combat, it’s great for what it is. But WuWa takes things to another level.

[@ChiDoke]

Yah of course a game that came out 4 years ago feels outdated like obviously while they can make updates and upgrades to the game the base work of it is a 4 year old game

[@SolaceSaga]

@@ChiDoke it’s not about it being outdated. The graphics and gameplay is fine. They’ve ran a monopoly on the space for years and haven’t innovated whatsoever, that’s the issue.

[@HenrySuggs-by5nd]

Genshin whole gameplay is just quick swap and nuke no type of skill required

[@Alexandr-tf8xq]

​@@ChiDokeдело не в том когда вышла игра, pgr на год старше геншина, а боевка там лучше, тут только поход разработчика и не более, так что вы глупы если выдвигаете такой аргумент

[@raizer3169]

wuthering wawes is a better game overall, but genshin players refuse to accept it.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@raizer3169 sunk cost fallacy. It is what it is

[@ChiDoke]

It’s never about which game is technically or mechanically better it’s simply about which game you enjoy and like more

[@a.a.r4054]

Most genshin player just want to justify themselves for already investing a lot in genshin

[@SolaceSaga]

@@a.a.r4054 sunk cost fallacy

[@arthurgeier2545]

Your definition of better is not a fact tho. I enjoyed Sumeru, Fontaine and I like Natlan. There is something in Genshin, Wuwa simply cannot provide and there is something in Wuwa, Genshin cannot provide. Both games are enjoyable. However, you are just another CC who is taking the opportunity to s h i t on GI and get as many clicks as possible. Anyways, the rent is due.

[@itzwillow5220]

As someone who is long time AR 60 and newly LVL 71 in wuwa, I enjoy wuwa way more then genshin.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@itzwillow5220 I think I’m AR 57 in Genshin. And same for me. I really don’t have anything against Genshin. I just had this video on my mind for a while and finally decided to make it

[@raulsalazar05]

same, but i am AR58, been farming like crazy on Genshin but i gave up, and I saw some guys were playing WUWA so i joined the party, it felt so refreshing, and modern, easier to build characters and you can enjoy playing for many hours even without waveplates.

[@Zephy535]

LV 71. Damm I'm still trying to get the broadsword from LV 45

[@SolaceSaga]

@@raulsalazar05 it is so much easier to build characters, true.

[@nguyenquanghung2344]

​​@@Zephy535😂😂 you'll get there soon, dailies and quests giv good amount of exp to lv up, playing when you like to play, keep chilling 😊

[@SmithOfGear92]

*You're not wrong though.* I agree that WuWa does things so much better than Genshin Impact. In my case, Wuthering Waves killed any and all desire for me to continue playing Genshin. The QoL in WuWa dumpsters Genshin and Kuro Games has shown itself to be a far more respectable company than Hoyoverse; if Kuro's other game, Punishing Gray Raven, is anything to go by-- what with it's incredible Gacha system, I couldn't blame anyone for going buck wild with spending in a Kuro Games' game. And Kuro has made it clear that it's not about the money; it's about the good times. They said it themselves; they don't care about making the big bucks. As long as they make enough to keep the lights on, they're cool. *You gotta respect that, right there.*

[@SolaceSaga]

@@SmithOfGear92 exactly. I should have shown that part in my video where the CEO of Kuro said that. That was solid gold. I think WuWa has set the gold standard going forward. There’s always room for improvement but it’s a big step forward.

[@arthurgeier2545]

There is a thing called "burned out from playing Genshin". Same will happen in Wuwa. Bet on it.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@arthurgeier2545 probably. I’m looking forward to Azur Promilia and several other games as well. I’ll be patiently waiting for one day the Koreans to make a good gacha game so we’re not stuck with bullshit Chinese politics and censorship.

[@iko20101]

@@arthurgeier2545 Yeah burnout exist, but it is very strange how once people started to play WuWa they just so happen to burnout on Genshin. It is kind of like WuWa woke up the Genshin players and they decided to stop eating slop for once and play a better game.

[@arthurgeier2545]

@@iko20101 Nonsense. Many still play Genshin. This is what we simply call "new toy syndrome". The character banners are 50/50s just like in Genshin. 4* weapons (including 4* BP weapons) for DPS units are sort of mid (some even below), forcing you to pull for 5* standard weapons or sig weapons. Sure, if you are willing to spend, you will get those cool weapons without having to deal with 50/50s unless you wanna cope with subpar 4* DPS weapons. I don't see how Wuwa woke up people. This is straight up bullshit Kurobot propaganda. Wuwa is carried hard by its flashy combat but claiming it woke up people is a stretch.

[@TheMrFelin]

I watched your video on the Tactone's channel and I came to watch it here. I am a Genshin player and I found your video intriguing. You are doing an amazing job, I've already watched a lot of your videos. Because of you I started to play Wuthering Waves. Thank you for your guides and videos! Best wishes! ❤️

[@SolaceSaga]

@@TheMrFelin thank you so much! For the record, I don’t have anything against Genshin so I hope you continue to enjoy both games 😊 I’m glad you’re liking Wuthering waves!!

[@YourProfessional-Gachagamer]

Enjoy the ride, fam

[@TheMrFelin]

​@@SolaceSagaYeah, I know I am still playing it, I am waiting for Mavuika. But I will put more time into Wuthering Waves for now. I am not like those who will defend something without thinking, all of your points were valid. That's why I started to play the game. Also, the movement is really enjoying :P

[@jocelreloncillo8093]

difference between them, kuro listens cook and makes better qol unlike the greedy ones. nuff said 💓🔥

[@SolaceSaga]

@@jocelreloncillo8093 true man. I’m not one to glaze a corporation but they’re doing all the right things. I’m hopeful for the future! And I’m loving the game right now.

[@silverash896]

@@SolaceSaga When a corp like Kuro Games is doing something right, all we need to do is tell them they did a good job, it's 100% a valid response.

[@mr.edelweiss]

​@@silverash896yet it's being called "corporate glazing" "d/ck riding" etc., and people who does it gets called out "kurobot" "wuwafrog" etc.

[@silverash896]

​@@mr.edelweiss We had good reasons to praise Kuro, while those guys have none, that's why all they can do is complain. In short, it's jealousy.

[@jaysonkang]

I love seeing the "let kuro cook" comments cause there's actually a precedent for them. They somehow managed to deliver something special every update so far and it's outstanding (from a year 1 genshin player and day 1 star rail player)

[@ItzSgream]

``BRO IS BALD!´´ - Tectone, 2024.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@ItzSgream lmao did he post the react yet? I’ve been waiting for it

[@titanhound6671]

​@@SolaceSagayes

[@ItzSgream]

@@SolaceSaga indeed he has, good video by the way.

[@redfoxakame]

Every single thing I can think of - Wuthering Waves is just better than Genshin. I remember playing Genshin and feeling so exhausted trying to finish the Fontaine quest and feeling like I was hating my life exploring some desert for some quests and also feeling bitter every single time I lose my 50/50 in hard pity - which is every single time lol. Oh and I remember my frustrations with the enemies in abyss cause they either kept running away or freezing you. It wasn't fun at all. But now in WuWa, every single thing is fun. Exploring is fun. I can skip random dialogues and with summaries now. I'm quite lucky with characters and I got a couple for free. I got every single character and weapon I wanted. I looove fighting in all end-game stuff. And the fact that the devs are constantly communicating and rewarding players as well as improving their game - Genshin just cannot compare.

[@applecider6704]

I just keep on playing genshin for my daily comms because i am saving for columbina's c6r1 and as a veteran player, I am already hooked up to the story. Aside from that...nothing else really. Wuwa has a lot more potential in the future and many improvements were already witnessed by us Wuwa players only in a span of a few months. Like the recent coop event, I was playing with my friends trying to beat the living shit out of the crownless and impermanence heron for a whole hour lmao we just kept on dying it was really fun.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@applecider6704 frfr dude the potential for WuWa at this point is literally endless

[@ggrimmfield5529]

Holy shiz, i thought I'm actually bad and having bad matching to players but the Co-Op is actually pretty challenging. Personally it gave the same feeling when fighting the Red aura mobs in overworld. I hope they do more of this

[@Ali_Fuchs]

"for a whole hour lmao we just kept on dying it was really fun" That's something almost no Genshin player ever said lol Out of all people i know who play it only one could see it as somewhat fun. That's why it's funny for me to see people comparing them, they will never agree because they value different things in their games

[@Fantasy_Finale]

i completely agree with you. im also currently only saving for the 2 remaining archons and columbina, and also because im now invested in the story and to see how it wraps up

[@applecider6704]

@@Ali_Fuchs yes! Though I must say that genshin’s local legends as new additions to the game is nice, it can still easily be done with the right sustains, use Jean’s E and let fall damage do its thing, whale for a c6 and play the game mindlessly (i mean, you don’t have to c6 a character to play genshin mindlessly), even my c1r1 neuvillette is enough against natlan’s local legends. Heck, even if you S6 a character on WuWa, you still have to be good in dodging. I’m a day1 WuWa player and I still have my holograms on level 4 max 😂 I have terrible skill issues. But I’ll get there. Someday.

[@raisukiiigaming]

ellusive realms lets you experience whaled up characters like fr

[@RaezekenOG]

fr

[@legacymse7095]

Honestly it’s too easy and you need to do that shit 15 times or so to get all the rewards. It’s a chore ngl

[@fuy1648]

@@legacymse7095 There's enough diversity in the characters, metaphors, character upgrades, echoes, etc to where you can have a unique experience well after 15 runs. Personally I played it like 10 times after getting all the rewards when it first came out just because it was fun and I wanted to see what specific characters looked like with specific builds.

[@MrWazeemo]

@@legacymse7095 its literally a rougelite mode, what were you expecting?

[@TheJNGKvault]

@@legacymse7095 if it's too hard and require up-to-date or heavily-whaled characters to get the rewards then you will compain about it too. How to satisfy you?

[@aziz-nationalhaq6511]

Finally someone said it. People act like revenue is part of the game mechanic when these devs don't even use the money to improve the game like it legit has been top grossing gacha for over 3 years and still has least amount of improvement. Even the zzz dev team already making them look pathetic in just 2 updates

[@재현7704]

@@aziz-nationalhaq6511 Hoyo spent money to make more games in China just to milk both China and Global more.

[@mr.edelweiss]

30M+ revenue yet it's not getting invested in the game itself instead of their nuclear 😅😅 and their other game projects 😂😂

[@Scultronic]

Genshin is just a milking cow they dont want to really improve anything on the game cause of their arrogance, as long as genshin makes money nothing else matters for them. Just throw some updates to make the playes do something for a few minutes per patch and they will be happy; I think thats the mentality of the genshing devs.

[@aziz-nationalhaq6511]

@@Scultronic that mentally mainly came cause of the players. Like we are still to this date getting called ungrateful for giving criticisms 😅

[@christunstel6954]

wtf are you even talking about practically every version is getting QOL changes now on Genshin and ZZZ is dog shit one of the worst games i ever played

[@hugedeal8611]

I’m currently enjoying WuWa more then Genshin personally, Natlan so far is kinda a flop for me, the Aztec aesthetic/clown paint really doesn’t do it for me and the characters released so far don’t give me the vibe of “a nation of war”. Also playing WuWa and honkai starrail, it’s becoming very very apparent that that the genshin devs aren’t really interested in providing quality of life updates to players

[@risingstar9903]

Welp! You’re playing HSR. As long as you still supporting Hoyo company. We’re all good 👍

[@W0lfscythe]

I used to play genshin, and Natlan looks more like a pokemon region than a "Nation of war." Was kind of disappointed when I 1st saw it.

[@hugedeal8611]

@@risingstar9903 oh I’m well aware HSR is hoyo, that wasn’t my point. Genshin has been out for 4 years now and there’s many basic quality of life things that haven’t happened that HSR and WuWa have already jumped on. It’s becoming very noticeable

[@hugedeal8611]

@@W0lfscythe that’s a good comparison, to me all the released Natlan characters thus far look like they belong to Zenless Zone Zero

[@SumireGT]

​@@risingstar9903are they pay you or something? you're sucking it too hard bro

[@nicksm2976]

When I first played Genshin, the first 100-ish hours, where I would just casually do the main story were decently enjoyable (though the slow pacing starts feeling really bad after that much time), but the moment the enemies started getting more health at around AR 40-45 and when I actually wanted to start building my characters it just takes FOREVER. I played for around 200 hours and guess how many fully built characters I have? Zero! Nada! Meanwhile in WuWa, at no point did the enemies ever feel like damage sponges, I have 6 maxed out characters and I never had to grind character xp or weapon xp, only shell credits, talent materials, boss materials and echo xp. Also never had to grind monster drops, because grinding echoes around the map is actually fun (imagine that lol).

[@viole_deviant]

And some people still think genshin artifacts system is better that wuwas echo system 💀

[@ImJustPoxy]

@@viole_deviant it is those even if you can farm echoes at anytime

[@raulsalazar05]

honeslty the only good thing about Genshin are reactions and building characters, story is good but the animations and in game "cinematics" sucks, even NPCs walk like robots and all repetitive sh1t. 🤣🤣 I have to skip the whole thing and just ask AI to summarize archon quest.

[@blanc-2468]

5:30 oh, to add on to this, the Hoverdroid, which was added in 1.2 can one shot all ores and rocks except for the one that has yellow cracks in it other ways to break ores are using echos like Jue and Fallcy, as well as specific attacks from some characters like Jianxin's plunge atk also breaks all ores instantly.

[@SolaceSaga]

Dude I completely forgot about that. Common Kuro W.

[@gg-kd7zy]

I always use dreamless to do the mining❤😂🎉

[@kidsIIIII009]

I feel like Kuro is really under appreciated because how much effort they made with these Character designs. I just feel bad because I didn’t expect Kuro to be really good

[@darkknight32920]

Of course it will feel that way. Wuthering Waves is a brand new game. It's basically what Genshin felt like at launch.

[@Polaabaervn]

The new co-op event needs to be a permanent mode in the game. It’s just so darn fun! Also awesome video!!

[@SolaceSaga]

I haven’t tried the coop event yet! Do you play with friends or randoms? And thank you so much!!!

[@Polaabaervn]

@@SolaceSaga I’m sure you will enjoy it as much as I do with the difficulty spike and new echoes. I usually play with irl friends but I also made new friends playing with randoms. Everyone was really nice and helpful.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Polaabaervn awesome!! I have no friends to play with in this game lol 😭😭

[@Polaabaervn]

@@SolaceSaga 😭😭😭

[@dotalbo8279]

I love both games but this is honestly toxic positivity at this point. Tbf idgaf which game is better and i think both are pretty even, but the fact the wuwa gets only praise and genshin gets only criticism is crazy to me. Wuwa is not a perfect game so why is it only getting praise? Genshin is not completely doghshit so why is that all it’s getting? I think there’s a lot in wuwa better than genshin for sure (combat animation, gacha system, movement, etc). But there are also things that genshin does better than wuwa (story and lore, world building, exploration/combat opportunity regarding its elements). Wuwa only getting praise and practically no criticism is not helpful for the game. 1.3 is great, but not perfect. there were many problems with it like how the story focused only on shorekeeper and not encore, aalto, camellya, youhu or anyone else and how the pacing was far too quick to get me invested in the story. The map was too small and empty to justify 1.2 being a filler patch and they’re already rerunning characters. Criticise that. If we continue to give wuwa praise only then the game will get used to churning out whatever and expecting comments like “kuro keeps cooking” and “genshin could never”. I’m not saying kuro isn’t “cooking” (they are), but not to the exaggerated extent that most make it out to be. Final thing, comparing wuwa to genshin is a death sentence and benefits neither games. Wuwa has lost a considerable amount of players since launch, no doubt affected by this whole wuwa vs genshin war. Genshin sees that wuwa is losing players and guess what? They can go back to completely not trying as their competitor is slowly crumbling by its own community. TLDR: wuwa loses its players and genshin becomes even more complacent. It’s ok to give ur opinion on which game is better, but know that its not helpful to either games and u really should just play whichever game u prefer or just play both.

[@dotalbo8279]

If anyone read through all of this and is planning to give me smack for it, go ahead, idc. I’m not a “kuro shill” nor a “hoyo shill” and anyone who says otherwise falls into one of those categories.

[@Noyki05]

Re running characters this early isn’t bad at all imo, allows players to save for who they want

[@halleyk7Art]

Thankfully, I do think Kuro is getting criticism for Wuwa but mostly in the feedback box and surveys. Otherwise Kuro wouldn’t put out the QoL stuff and improvement in music and voice acting. I will continue to criticize them on Wuwa’s story and device optimization. I believe they will eventually get there, but only if people continue to put their thoughts in the surveys and troubleshooting. Appropriate and constructive criticism is needed for both games to improve. And I hope Kuro Games and Hoyoverse will pay attention to those and not the glazing.

[@tzxyuaesthetics9338]

it's so hard to like both games. you can't watch a wuwa video without hearing about genshin T_T

[@vigor9675]

Yup. I like both games but want nothing to do do with the WuWa community due to how obsessed they are with trashing Genshin.

[@ChiDoke]

@@vigor9675fr it’s genuinely annoying they claim to hate again but can’t seem to stop talking about it

[@sergito_45]

​​@@vigor9675 genshin community is the problem tho, they are the ones that start trashtalking every new game without even trying it, so other communities just do it back and most of the time the new game is actually better lol, it happened with tof, hsr, wuwa and zzz that I know of, probably with many more games

[@GxGNoir]

@@sergito_45 Dude, like 90% of the hype around Wuwa was and is built around people shitting on Genshin. How is that Genshin being the problem? Wuwa community constantly punches first then complains when Genshin players do ANYTHING back

[@sergito_45]

@@GxGNoir you just made that up LMAO. The hype I saw was from PGR players excited because the company that treats them so well is releasing a big game open world. And also people that liked genshin but were dissapointed for the lack of improvement and the attitude of the devs (like myself), so if a way better company is releasing a game very similar to one you liked (but the bad devs ruined it), its normal to be hyped. I doubt normal people would be hyped about a game they dont plan to play just because its a Genshin competitor. Genshin community is always at war with everyone, I dont see HSR drama with ZZZ or TOF or even WUWA, but genshin has drama with all of them, I dont think theyre the victim lmao, especially considering they have review botted random apps for no reason.

[@GabrielSantos-el4ir]

Wuthering waves animation is just feels so damn gorgeous and mature for me, as to why i quit genshin is becuase, too much stuff for me to go around with, plus i can barely get the characters i want without getting the zombie child 3-4 times in a row lmao

[@SolaceSaga]

@@GabrielSantos-el4ir after getting Camellya I’m just blown away. Her animations and everything about her are top tier

[@mazethemercenary]

Came from Tectones reaction vid and subbed. Totally agree with your comparisons.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@mazethemercenary thanks bro I appreciate it!!!

[@darshans6321]

Once you get the hang of Wuwa combat there's no going back to any other gacha game lol

[@sergito_45]

@@darshans6321 PGR 🗿

[@kazuyaryuzaki]

Ehm... PGR

[@maxroy6933]

yeah except for maybe pgr

[@tabkg5802]

ZZZ is pretty fun too tbh. Honestly literally anything is better than genshin cause its dogwater

[@___NOTE___]

Lmao just wait for Endfield it will show what a good polished gatcha really is

[@LargeBanana]

Day 1 Genshin and WuWa player here. Though I agree with a lot of your talking points, Wuthering Waves still lacks polish a little bit. My love for the elemental reaction system have now completely disappeared after Neuvillette and Arlecchino. They are too comfy and they don't care about any kind of elemental reaction (aside from Neuv passive activation which just happens naturally). As it turns out, I never needed the reaction. Using the reaction never actually enhances my output it's just a thing that exist. Because of this I am now aware of the combat for what it is. Hoyo have made mono element damage the king and I can never go back to engaging with the elemental reaction because there is no need. Since I am not engaging with the elemental reaction, the combat becomes a complete joke and a slog. Genshin have good story, but it's a game. I wonder when Hoyoverse forgets that a game needs actual engaging gameplay. Genshin have become a light novel for me. I have 0 need to pull for anyone nor do I care to pull for anyone. I have skipped Kinich, Mualani, Mavuika I might pull just for collection sake, but judging from past trends, she will be designed to work best with Natlan char which I have none and the whole package will become obsolete next year. I literally have 510 pulls f2p saved up. I wish I can refund every dime I spent on the game though it's not much. I don't need to pay anything if it's just a Light Novel to read.

[@SolaceSaga]

It will get polished more over time. Remember it’s only been out like 6 ish months!

[@Gheniel_]

@@SolaceSaga I think you just need to make a more deep analysis on points that need depth, like some enemies in genshin have unique mechanics like ousia pneuma and nightsoul, but they are not as fun to fight as wuwa's bosses and enemies IMHO. I'm not against you, just giving a suggestion.

[@LargeBanana]

@@Gheniel_ Reminded me of the bird and prism mechanic in WuWa, where the bird can eat the prism if it's low health and tethered, such a cool interaction.

[@gameplayer-_-227]

Not a day 1 player but played genshin for a good 2 years and made it all the way to AR 60 played every story quest, did every event and hangout and tbh, I could care less about the polish at this point, it's so fake and artificial and always has been, WuWa is so damn good imho I think it absolutely clears genshin and its not even close for me, got me to give up 2 years of work and money spent sooo...😅

[@mourningprudence]

4 y.o game V.S 4-month old game WINNER: 4-month old game W for WuWa

[@SolaceSaga]

@@mourningprudence 100% dude no doubt. I don’t hate Genshin Tbf. I just want it to be better

[@bijoohere568]

PGR is older than Genshin and had most if not all of these included or just improved versions of it with new editions, so Genshin being 4 years old is not an excuse. They white glove crybabies instead of making an actual good game (it isn't a bad game, but it is mid and always has been, just had no competition).

[@ChiDoke]

@@bijoohere568Genshin is way better than PGR so what is your point? I can guarantee you almost absolutely no one new about PGR before WuWa came out heck it was WuWa that even gave Kuro serious traction to begin with

[@YhanMat05]

​@@ChiDokeJust because its popular doesn't mean its better, its like saying popular cheap chinese phones are better than sony phones because they sell more. Quality≠Quantity yk

[@ChiDoke]

@@YhanMat05 and the end of the day it doesn’t matter which game is better mechanically or has better features it all comes down to what u like and prefer that’s why I play what I want and people should too and stop needless comparison I don’t even mean this a shad or anything but I really don’t like to involve my self with the WuWa community and Genshin’s too but for a different reason yall talk about a game so much that u claim to hate if Genshin is soooo bad then why is it still living in your head and why can’t u just forget about it not everyone needs to know ooohh my game is better than yours because guess what when we dodge we slow down time instead of I-framing the hit.

[@PolyDesu]

Good video, Seeing PGR collabing with DMC5 makes me even more excited about WuWa's future. Wuwa is still new and isn't ready for any collab right now but it gets better every update. From what i've seen from leaks, illusive realm will be a weekly like tower and other new endgame content etc. looks pretty good for me. in the future wuwa def will have huge collabs like pgr which will make the game even better

[@Tyronom]

Genshin feels like a game until AR55-60 and then it's just a gaming novel, you play for the story and everything else makes you angry. They never reward old faithful players.

[@재현7704]

Event in Wuwa events have diversity and they Level it up meanwhile in Genshin they just repeat thr WHOLE thing with extra Yap.

[@LargeBanana]

HEY DO YOU REMEMBER THIS RESEARCHER FROM SUMERU? I HAVE ANOTHER COMISSION FOR YOU.

[@yxieyuuki]

paimon never shuts the fk up, shes also the reason why quests such as archon quests ar longer

[@ayenmontefalcon6395]

​@@yxieyuukibtw paimon's main purpose is to extend the length of the quests pass the one hour mark to fill our time😊

[@mr.edelweiss]

​@@ayenmontefalcon6395 Everything in this world is made of mass and structure where every person has a sense of freedom for themselves. Y'mean everything in this world is made of mass and structure where everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves? Yes everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves for this world is made of mass and structure where everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves. So everyone indeed has a sense of freedom for themselves for this world as such that the world is made of mass and structure where everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves. Indeed as such I have told you before that the world has been made of mass and structure where everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves in the world. Woah, You've made my mind blown because this world is made of mass and structure where everyone has a sense of freedom for themselves for this world. *Basic Genshin Dialogue Format*

[@mr.edelweiss]

Just an example. But basically they do this every time!!! *They can't get away from this.meme.png*

[@jyuegaol]

Dude woke up and choose to spit facts🔥

[@Landone22]

#8 there's no paimon in Wuthering Waves

[@Lolwhattheheck]

Abby? Except he doesn't yap much and only speaks whenever he's hungry and bro saved us from a nuclear blow

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Landone22 TRUEEEEEEE

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Lolwhattheheck Tbf Abby isn’t quite as annoying but I lowkey wish Abby wasnt in the game

[@lezardex6335]

@@SolaceSaga Because you have PTSD from paimon. Abby is great.

[@nottyseel949]

After seeing the number of people that couldn't follow what was going on in the 1.3 story, and trashed it as a result, I now understand why Paimon exists. Some people need a Paimon.

[@alexiluffy216]

bro looks like he's going to talk about metal music, but gacha games is his niche xD

[@matthewbutler678]

Ok. Good video but the opinion is just cherry picking to be honest. First of all, devs section and generous rewards section should just be one section as they both talk about extremely similar points. Second of all, world exploration might feel less painful in wuthering waves due to its stamina bar, but I can’t help but notice you leave out the actual environment in your analysis. Genshin’s actual environment and aethetic has next to no competition in the field and has been a main praising point for genshin players you overlooked. Exploration is a massive part of an open world game (no duh) and so the environment you explore is a massive point for genshin, I’m sorry but wuthering waves is not even close in that category. It’s bleak, dark, and barely has variety in its locations. Another thing you blatantly ignored in your section on story is why a skip button in wuthering waves was added so quickly in the first place. The story is not engaging at all and while I’m sure the voice actors are talented in their elements, this just isn’t it. The game itself is less refined in all areas and it shows in everything apart from combat (including the need to show off the combat system in their endgame content thus necessitating the need for harder content) and wish related mechanics. Also if you wanna say there’s no argument on what’s better between echo’s and artifacts that’s just blatantly false. Echos are a fun and engaging take on artifacts as a whole that introduces using them in combat as well as getting them from world exploration a bit like Pokémon. It’s innovative and interesting nature, however, falls flat when you realise the grind for perfect artifacts requires much more effort given the need to walk around already explored areas looking for a specific type of enemy that has a small chance of giving you what you want. Keep in mind this is the DAILY LOOP on top of your dailies, resin, ect. Genshin, on the other hand trades boredom for ease of completion with its resin being spent on the only way to attain a consistent flow of artifacts therefore becoming part of the daily loop with no extra effort. While fun in concept, soon echos will become dull just like the artifacts in genshin and the gameplay loop will be even more drawn out and boring for the sake of short term enjoyment.Which is another point I’d like to bring up. How new is wuthering waves compared to genshin? How long have you been doing the daily loop and watching the updates go by on wuthering waves compared to genshin? We are still very much in the honeymoon phase of wuthering waves which adds bias to everyone’s opinions of it. Character design, voice acting, world building and lore, etc etc. these are things genshin beats wuthering waves in but were not mentioned for the sake of cherry picking. And as for the extra rewards you get in wuthering waves compared to genshin, maybe it’s to draw a line and differentiate itself from its one and only competitor (genshin) and is a desperate attempt to keep players interested and playing their game. In the first few weeks of the game release many issues were found and raised, these issues were worked on and given (in my opinion) overcompensation in an attempt to keep players playing given their massive starting player base. Genshin players (myself included) looked to this game as the next big thing and we played it endlessly when it first came out. Week after week rewards kept coming and I honestly believe I didn’t have a single day when I didn’t get either a 5 star or a full ten pull in compensation. This did the opposite of what it was meant to do for one main reason. What’s the point of playing a gacha game I have all the characters for? Why be a gacha at all? This is why I and many others became bored and began to play less and less. Gachas are moneygrabs by nature or else they risk the fan base becoming bored with all the characters in the game and nothing to work towards. There is a middle point that genshin is just now tapping into with the new natlan region and I’m excited moving forward with the absolutely massive quality of life changes given to us this update and hopefully many future updates to come. Again good video man but if you want to try and make a comparison video, make one that looks at both sides as objectively as possible. Genshin and wuthering waves both have their strongsuits but there is a reason genshin (while controversial and hated even among its player base) has retained player attention and stayed on top even now.

[@kaffewomble1288]

Highly agree with the environment aesthetic part I've yet to find a place in wuwa that was breathtaking black shores was just ok in that department The first moment of that breathtaking experience in genshin for me was when we encounter that blue floating spear in the chasm that moment changed my views on environmental aesthetics there are also many places in genshin where you just put the controller aside and just enjoy the view

[@Atmo-sp]

Most of what you said are the opposite of what you are asking for aka objectivity. Its ether simply subjectivity, just your preference like for exemple the environment, the character design or just plain misunderstanding or bs. Saying Wuthering waves is bleak, dark and barely has variety in its location is totaly a lie. There is a rocky desert corrupted area, post apocalytic city area, swamp area, forest area, mine area, city area, port area etc.. and they look completly different from others. And that's whitout adding the 2 new map area of 1.1 and 1.3. The swamp area is not dark, its litteraly full of floor with a big yeallow light in the middle, exactly like the post apocalyptic city with red flowers, the forest that transform with a realy big sakura type of tree... Sure there is dark areas, Genshin also have some but Genshin is mostly just same color everywhere without almost any contrast. From 1.0 to 1.6 in Genshin all we had is just green, flower, wood and rocks (and some annoying snow) You can prefere it but that's just it, your preference. Then comes the basic explanation of skip button from Genshin players. But the reality is the story of Genshin is not that good. People made fun of it during the 2 first years and the only response given by Genshin players was "but the lore !" The reality is Hi3, Arkinght and many other gacha games have better stories and.. a skip button. At the end the story is also a subjective thing anyway. And the skip button is offered to people that don't want to read or just don't like it. If you don't like the Genshin story or part of it (f the aragnagna thingy) you ether spam your button, mouse or finger or just stop playing. You are the one that talked about dailies etc... At the start and for a long time this quest could have multiple dialogue that you couldn't skip even if you already saw it, if that's not a boring thing added to your daily loop i don't know what it is. Next comes the Echo system, the fact that you thing grind for perfect artifact require more effort just show that you don't play the game or didn't play more than a month. Added that, if you want you can litteraly play it the same way you play Genshin outside of the fact that you'll receive numerous echos with the good main stat from event to help you even further. The overworld grind for echos is just an added opportunity for people that want to do it not an obligation for end game echos with good stats. Its realy easy to have your complete sets with good stats that you can exchange with other chars even in ToA (abyss). Sure you could think at first glance that its basically the same as Genshin and get borring with time, and yes the grind and building of the echo system can end being as boring as Genshin system. But Genshin system end here, when in comparaison the echos system goes way behound that. Its part of the combat system, have its little meta around it, have different application like in the various events we got recently with co op or the illusive realm where echos have different use than in the rest of the game and nothing attached to the grind. Then it saden me to see that you and other genshin players managed to come to a point where you prefere a more predatory gacha because and i quote "What’s the point of playing a gacha game I have all the characters for? Why be a gacha at all?" What is this argument ? Are you telling me you are litteraly happy to not have all the characters that you wanted ? If that the case, you can choose to not pull.. Just saying.

[@matthewbutler678]

@@Atmo-sp the environment is barely subjective at all and saying wuthering waves is on par with genshin in its variety and contrast is just plain ignorant (no offence). I can’t believe I have to explain why that is any more than simply stating wuthering waves is bleak. The filter in wuthering waves is inherently darker and removes a lot of the colour that makes genshin stand out. 1.0 to 1.6 included not only two very different regions that were different in not only exploration required (liyue has a shit ton of Rocks and mountains, mondstadt is a relatively flat land and is probs the most basic of the regions but still beautiful. Not to mention The cities are much more involved and memorable. As for the story, my argument was not that genshin story was legendary but that wuthering waves is far from decent. Maybe the actual storyline is ok but I’ll never know because the execution of it all was so unbelievably boring that I don’t think anyone actually pays attention. I applaud the game for its innovative combat and actual design in many aspects but it took away from their time in making the story actually bearable. That’s why there is a skip button being implemented so quickly as to keep players attention on the strong points of the game, a great marketing decision. You brought up some good points on the echo system but I also have to point out that even with all of the extra intricacies of it compared to the artifact system in genshin, when time passes and people soon get bored of the grind, it will become a bigger slog then genshin already is. But until that time the echo system is better for the most part. And finally your point on “choosing not to pull so I don’t have all the characters” is ignoring the purpose for not just mine but a lot of others frustration with it’s generosity. Again, I don’t like the way gacha games do their practises but being overly generous harms the game more than helps it. When given everything on a silver platter, it sets a precedent for more rewards and when those expectations aren’t met constantly from now on, people will believe the company is becoming “stingy.” As for your comment on just not pulling, it’s not that I don’t want as many characters as possible, it’s that I want to earn these characters myself without the excessive rewards and compensation. It feels weird to complain about rewards and compensation but it’s the same principle as an overly spoiled child who grew up without a single issue. They will believe this is the norm and won’t want to do things the normal way everyone else does things.

[@cris9485]

I 100% agree with all points you made except some minor adds from me. The world should look bleak and deserted since the world is indeed corrupted by the retroract rain and the sudden wormholes always engulf zones without any kind of warning as stated in Shorekeeper's new quest. Aside that i agree completely with all the other points. Running around for echoes is more tiring than just going in a domain and grabbing the artifacts. Characters in Genshin are definitely not as sharp as the ones in Wuwa because one its made with 3d engine and the other is not. On the other hand the world immersion is wayy better in genshin. The so called generosity most people do not realise its how Kuro kept their playerbase no matter how small. PGR,their other game is the proof the game is hanging by a thread with the old playerbase but the playerbase keeps going down every month. As u mentioned its a Gacha Game, its meant to be pricey thats how Gacha games survive and more importantly thrive. WuWa has worse revenue every month. Game is good but it slowly dies due to "generosity".

[@Morkibay]

​@@matthewbutler678 saying that genshin story is good is a stupid take ngl. It's decent at best, like Wuthering waves story. Nothing sticks and especially Paimon just ruins everything by stating the most obvious stuff at any time. The graphics in my opinion are generally better than genshin's graphics. that's only personal preference though. The only problem i have is that Kuro decided to set the brightness (gamma) to the middle. Lowering that settings make the color pop more. Open world grind in Wuwa can get boring yeah, but the tacet fields are more than enough to grind for echoes. Mallable echoes also help a lot (i still have 6 of them and don't have to use them as of now).

[@Critirus]

Your first point is wrong because they need to acquire players, so the ""generosity" is subjective and a very diabolic psychological tactic to woo players into investing time into the game. World exploration, genshin is objectively better. Exploration has no equation to mobility. Mobility is a tiny factor to exploration and the world itself is more important in "World Exploration" not mobility. WW Mobility is much better, the world to explore is dull and uninteresting by every metric. Characters are awfully written and have the personality of a loaf of wet bread. Voice acting is laughable in WW to where you can't take the game seriously on top of the story being objectively elementary. WW has a story skip because they can't write a story for the life of them. End of the day play what you want, to say a game that came out 4 years later and compare to 4 year old content and mechanics shows you are not worthy of a sub or critical thinking skills. You say you play one extensively but talk about obsolete characters and only the 3rd nation of a game that has 6 now. you played half the game.

[@Critirus]

Get an opinion counter for yourself to see why this video falls flat. Opinions aren't reasons.

[@SolaceSaga]

I played all of Genshin up to 5.0. You are an idiot, and I don’t want your sub. I got plenty from this video already, you’re not needed, move along

[@azurogane2645]

​@@SolaceSaga and why not use your own gameplay footage in the video? (On genshin)

[@SolaceSaga]

@@azurogane2645 very limited time with this video, full time job and daughter etc. and my daughter has been sick. Unfortunately of all my videos this one so far has the least amount of my own footage. I usually have all or most being my own footage. If I’m being honest I also didn’t want to login and take a bunch of Genshin footage just for this video. I haven’t been playing Genshin very often the last couple months.

[@risingstar9903]

*sigh* Here goes the drama again. With videos like this. I don’t think the drama between Genshin and WW will ever ends. Like can we all just calm tf down and enjoys which ever game we like? Comparison will only spark wars and no one likes each other trashing the game we like. KZbinrs is a different scenarios though since often not benefit over the drama.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@risingstar9903 this isn’t drama. This is me sharing my opinions about why I think Wuthering waves is a better game. And I’m not benefitting from shit my channel is insanely small and I am brand new to KZbin. I make videos that I have fun doing. But go off somewhere

[@risingstar9903]

@@SolaceSaga Well I’m not saying you specifically. But tbf the comment section itself is a drama though. I mean, you’re KZbinr I think you know this as of now, but often other KZbinrs like to compare between Genshin and WW because often it gets them views WW. Like I respect your opinion and do understand it is but an opinion

[@user-og9nl5mt1b]

Get used to it man . When wuwa youtubers run out of content . This is what they love to do . Trash genshin . Out of no where. For no reason. It's thier go to strategy for keeping the channel in the algorithm

[@risingstar9903]

@@user-og9nl5mt1b Well I wouldn’t say my guys was trashing. He did make some valid point that even I myself as a day 1 Genshin players quite agree. I’m talking about other KZbinr overall.

[@zero1ancer]

​@@user-og9nl5mt1boh thanks, finally found angry genshin player comment i came for

[@demontekdigital1704]

WuWa is the only Gacha I've ever played so I can't speak about the other ones. I've only re-rolled once, and that was after, pretty much doing everything wrong that you can do. IE: didn't pull on the beginner's banner first, using the voucher to get DPS, (Calcharo) instead of support, (Verina), and even burned through astrites for dumb things like leveling the podcast because that's what I thought you were supposed to do. I blew way too many resources trying to level every single unit in my roster, and ended up suffering as a result. Since re-rolling I got Verina with the voucher, got Encore in the beginner's banner until it switched to Beginner's Choice, got Calcharo with the selector, and went into hoard mode concerning shell credits, mats, astrites, and even textured wood shards. I managed to save slightly over 30k astrites to guarantee Jiyan, and I'm glad I did. Not only did I get him, but I managed to pull his sig, got most of my 4-stars well beyond S3, Got Youhu S3, and finally got Variation for Baizhi. I even had 3100 astrites left for future pulls. Now I'm at roughly 6100 astrites (as of today 10-27-2024), and am saving for Yinlin. I busted my ass to get Xiangli because I re-rolled 4 days before his banner ended. My point is, I don't think any other gacha would have as much generosity to allow players to do that. I went from a completely trash account to a decent one, and am now having a lot more fun with the game. My roster has two limited 5-stars, (Jiyan, and Xiangli Yao) as well as 3 standard 5-stars (Verina, Encore, Calcharo) along with Havoc Rover. The only things I truly lost were Zhezhi, and the phantom Dreamless skin, (but I don't miss that one.), and I have 3 5-star weapons, (Verdant Summit, Lustrous Razor, Cosmic Ripples). To add to the fun, I'm 100% F2P, and have not spent a penny...yet, lol.

[@Focalrs]

This was an amazing video, I'm reasonably new to both games (I've played genshin for a month and I'm ar 50, and I've played Wuwa for about a week and I'm UL 38) The beginner experience for Wuwa had been SO much more fun and just an overall better experience.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Focalrs thank you so much! ❤️

[@Tanaka-q1n]

Kuro cc's showing the best side of wuwa and gameplay:🤮 Kuro cc's trying 100 diff ways to show their game is better than genshin :😎

[@PinPimYT]

It ultimately depends on what you value in a game. I completely understand why someone would much prefer WuWa over Genshin but I still prefer Genshin because it has specific aspects which I find more important. I say this as a casual player, I think Genshin (subjectively) destroys Wuwa in terms of music, world building, exploration (not stamina wise like the world), and prefer the vibrant feel of the game. Pulls are a good thing but since I don't really connect with Wuwa characters or any gacha in general, I don't really care to pull a lot of the time. QOL wise, I never really feel inconvenienced in Genshin or Wuwa. Can't really speak on the new player experience since I'm not a new player and don't like endgame content for both games, I don't enjoy any endgame content in any gacha tbh.

[@av3_ther]

I agree! I appreciate Genshin so much because of how alive the world feels based on the music, worldbuilding and tons of characters interactions in the game. That’s Genshin’s biggest strength imo. I now play more for story (since I 100% the entire Genshin map except for Natlan) and honestly, I do prefer it more because there are more characters to interact with

[@cl13913]

I play both, the story and characters in genshin are still my favorites so far, wuwa story wise is still very bland rn, but honestly it’s worth checking the game since the combat is so entertaining

[@Zip_bomb]

Especially the loading screen music in genshin is better cuz you can hum it 💀

[@재현7704]

@@PinPimYT Being casual doesn't have to do with Music, world building, exploration? Being casual means you can skip stories and call it a day if you want.

[@PinPimYT]

@@재현7704 I wouldn't say skipping story is casual. Casual I guess is just not playing that much idk

[@cris9485]

So from all the comments i read you glaze those that agree with you but call idiots or morons those that do not agree. I spent more money in Genshin than on WuWa. I cleared all hard content on WuWa and i got burned out in 2 months prior. I came back after 1 month break and took it much slower than before. WuWa is better on 3 things only. Combat,exploration,artifact system. On the other departments falls quite flat and that is sad because the game has potential. Devs listen because they are constantly having lower revenues every month. PGR made by kuro hangs on the old players, barely any new players. If you do not believe me,check the charts,those do not lie. Most players arent tryhards for combat, most players quit WuWa because most people are very casuals and like to take pics and explore only or just listen to quests. So yeah, i can argue about this topic without insulting or using deragatory terms with the people i disagree with.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@cris9485 so actually let me tell you how this goes. I have a wife and daughter and a full time job. Time is pretty limited. There’s well over 1k comments on this video. I don’t really have time to respond to every single one. So naturally I’m going to choose to prioritize responding to the positive comments because that makes sense for me to do. At the beginning, I responded to almost every comment because I was trying to stay on top of it. Now for the negative comments I have only responded to ones that are particularly retarded, and at this point I’m basically just not going to respond to most comments at all and I’m going to go to work and then focus on my next video. In fact I have no idea why I’m wasting my time explaining this to you at all.

[@DarleenSchool-ns9ri]

If I’m being honest, the truth is just that withering waves is overhyped and the only and I repeat only reason people play wuwa is because of burnout for genshin, genshin has been around for four years so….? Obviously people will be tired of it they want something new and also not to be bias but some ppl enjoy slow paced combat and elemental reactions the movement might be slow but by now I’m used to it and I’ve come to enjoy it the company is trash and greedy but the game is great no doubt wuthering waves is better than genshin impact only beach of it’s developers apart from thier feedback the game is very mid if not also trash The world feels so dead ( personal opinion btw ) but the gameplay is alive and vice versa for genshin

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

I wouldn't say the echo system is better considering you can't level them without spending Waveplates at all and there is no off piece so half of the echoes you get are useless and only usefull for a 5 for 1 merge. All those Eclipse sets with Glacio damage or Glacio set with Havoc damage is brutal.

[@titochacha5911]

Combat is better yeah but Exploration??? Exploring in WuWa is hella boring, just because exploring in that game is faster doesn’t mean it’s better, also let’s be real the artifacts system in WuWa is so fucking bad compared to genshin artifacts system

[@MrBentalton777]

@@DarleenSchool-ns9ri i play ww cause it has significantly better combat and exploration not because of burnout from genshin. i also play ww cause its devs actually listen to its players and are open and transparent about it while genshin devs ignore its players. im also sick and tired of genshin adding exploration mechanics that are exclusive characters and on top of that exclusive to the region said character is from like what kind of retarded decision is that. the game is far from mid it may not be for you but your logic would be like saying i dont like elden ring so its mid. you see how illogical that is? just because you dont like something does not make that a mid game. also the world is SUPPOSE to feel dead thats literally what a post apocalyptic universe is........ as the entire game takes place after the lament which was a massive catastrophe that killed most of the people. also there is no such thing as overhyping as each person will hype a game the amount they think it deserves in their own mind as each person has a different level of enjoyment they get from it. also ww was inspired by nier and god eater both of which have very dead universes so obviously its gonna feel dead as thats by design.

[@Ricepad]

Hey Solace and everyone, did you all see the next patch notes? We can now buy 4-star resonator, Yohou, with Afterglow Coral in the store. It's been rumored that all further 4-stars will be available to purchase in the future.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Ricepad I saw that. Made me super happy because I was annoyed at Youhou being in Jiyan’s banner. Cause I’m not pulling on that banner haha

[@DeepbloodFang]

I logged into Genshin for the first time since Wuwa released and I did the new character trials, and I tried to run up effing walls!!! And I pressed my thumb mouse button (because I linked the gadget to that in WuWa) trying to use grappling hook and I got confused and held down Alt (They key I use to swap gadgets) to see if I had grappling hook on...and then I realized and faceplanted against my desk calling myself a moron.

[@antisocialavarice]

i went into wuwa thinking that would be a copy and paste of genshin. i was so, so wrong. don’t get me wrong, i’m completely invested in genshin, four years in, but at the end of the day it has gotten stale, but i still love it. wuthering waves is like genshin impact’s big brother that went to war and came back swole as fuck. even tho it’s only been out for a few months, it has really grown on me. i stopped playing for like a month after the sentinel jue content (only because i dropped 80+wishes on changli and didn’t even get her) but i saw a trailer for the shorekeeper and the black shores and i was sucked back in. i found myself playing genshin and trying to dodge an attack or use the grapple but of course, even after four years they don’t have anything remotely similar, not unless you consider the skill that only kinichand yumkasaurs can use. been back on wuwa for two weeks and i’ve gotten over 120+wishes just by playing the in game events WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY ANYTHING, half of those were used on the shorekeeper who came home at 72 pity. genshin had my heart, always will. the lore is deep and gets depper wish each update, but wuthering waves is in their bumpers. let them keep up and genshin impact’s big brother is gana drown in the things that they won’t bring to the game that their competition gives us without being as old of a game.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@antisocialavarice yup, Genshin always has a special place in my heart for a lot of reasons. But WuWa is my main game now it is what it is haha

[@antisocialavarice]

@@SolaceSaga true facts bro. before i came back to wuwa, i used to put in 8 hours daily to genshin, now it doesn’t even get a fraction of that.

[@a4arick106]

this new co-op event makes Co-Op shines even more, and i've been hyped for the upcoming Horde Mode event in Phase 2 Also the new Black Shores exploration didn't consists even a single puzzle challenges, or even parkour challenges and solely focused on Combat to get chests and tidal heritage, which I ADORE so much! Kuro knew how good the combat in the game and they decided to double down and gives the players more combat for the exploration in this patch. Heck even the optional Elite Red Enemies now is mandatory for getting a 100% Completion since they also give you 3 chests each enemies instead of just an achievement.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@a4arick106 bro I gotta be completely honest I haven’t even done the new coop stuff yet. I haven’t had time. I just finished the 1.3 story quest though and it was INCREDIBLE.

[@unloyal4847]

Quitea fun place to meet people too, I've ended up helping out low level players clear levels and world bosses cuz of it.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@unloyal4847 oh really? That’s pretty cool. I have like no friends in the game 😭😭😂😂

[@shinsekai101]

I got stranded on ASIA server and i got no friends either lmao

[@SolaceSaga]

I didn’t consider that but so true. I am loving the combat exploration aspect of black shores.

[@elijah7616]

Well i respect ur opinion but i believe comparing these 2 games is utterly baseless as both games target different audiences and both games have different theme . Its just about preference. Genshin devs maybe useless and the gameplay might be boring then wuwa but the game is much polished and is very successful in creating a deep well written universe than wuwa. People just dont play a single player game just for its combat and generosity. Theres a very solid reason why genshin still is at the top of anime open world rpg even after 4 years and are able to maintain and retain so much loyal fanbase. Wuwa is a great fun game with exellent devs but they will never surpassed genshin no matter what they do because they had made a mistake of launching an unpolished game in the market its a known fact . If they had the quality of their 1.3 update from the beginning itself they could have in an advantageous position than genshin but they missed it. At the end of day genshin theme just works for a large audience thats why they always wins in the numbers game wuwa is made for only small audiences thats why they dont have the numbers is as simple as that. People are not dumb that they will still play old genshin a lot even if wuwa if a better game exists . Reality and pr just does not works that way man . Thats my opinion so any hyper toxic community out there dont mind me . 😂 My advice play the game that you like and enjoy . I play both genshin and wuwa as i like both games . Its that easy. Games are there to relax and enjoy not to compete.

[@baron7562]

I think the reason WuWa is falling off (Atleast revenue-wise) is because of the narrative they are trying to go for. Most players expected a harsh post apocalyptic setting but instead we have a pseudo Harem like situation with a ton of sci-fi mumbo jumbo (seriously though, why are there so many scientific terms that get thrown around all the time). The MC being a god level being and everyone simping for him is not that compelling or relatable to a lot of players. Another issue is the lack of intentionality. Every single thing in Genshin, even very trivial things, have a purpose or reason to be the way they are. This is very similar to games like Elden Ring for example, where if you pick up some random item and read its description, it will have a connection to the lore in some way. Players appreciate attention to detail like this. I dont think WuWa has this level of execution in this regard. Side Note: I personally did not like 1.3 story as much. 1.1 was the best so far in my opinion. Both Jinshi and SK simp for the MC but Jinshi essentially had her own arc which made 1.1 so much better. Not to mention the cinematics and the voice acting. But in 1.3, SK straight up confesses to MC, which wouldnt be that big of a deal until you realize that all the other characters are doing the exact same thing. Mt. Firmament was also a much better looking area than the Black Shores which kinda looks similar to the southern areas of the mainland.

[@elijah7616]

@baron7562 yep u r 100 percent right. I mentioned 1.3 update specially not because of story but mainly visual effects and ost. Story wise jinshis mt firmanent one I liked it more. But as u mentioned about unnecessary mumbo jumbo jargons yes they use too much that's because wuwa is simply not a well written or well researched game mainly in the plotline. The game parameters outshines genshins but they will fall in their plotline and that is wuwa Achilles heel as u mentioned . So far they have not done anything remarkable with the universe itself even if they have shown improvements in ost , visuals , optimization and gameplay but what can we do wuwa community just don't see these core faults in the game but they simply overglazed the game in every aspects . I love genshin but I still do criticise genshin for its shortcomings but wuwa community is something else. Don't know man from the story perspective of wuwa it seems like they are taking a safe option of mc worshipping harem as they have low confidence in creating a solid bold plotline . That is what I think personally. 1.3 main plot line update looked more like a companion quest more than main blackshores quest which i was anticipating. That's my take. Wuwa will be better if they use unique creativity with their own universe they should stay away from genshin as it will not work well for them .

[@baron7562]

​@@elijah7616 I think part of the reason the story and plot have so many issues is because of the major rewrites they had to do based on initial feedback from CN community. When handling a big close to AAA level project like this, you need to have a writing team that is confident in their own ability to write a story that they genuinely want to tell instead of focusing on kit-bashing something that will please the vocal portion of the audience. It genuinely feels like they are making stuff up on the fly as a reaction to what the players are posting on social media. In fact, this over reliance on "trying to please" has generated the toxic positivity in the community that you talked about, which in turn is hurting the game. I'm sure you are aware of the "Dev's Listened" meme xD At some point you have to stop and wonder if the feedback you are getting is actually useful or not. Most players do not have a degree in Creative writing or Composition for instance. Same goes for game design and development in general. Players are really good at sharing what they "feel". It is the job of the developers to interpret that feeling into actionable design decisions in the context of the experience they are trying to create. Taking feedback literally will result in situations like what WuWa is in.

[@elijah7616]

@baron7562 exactly 💯 finally someone have good understanding about this . Devs listen make sense only on the gameplay , glitches, optimization, rewards , event related stuffs. But they should be super clear and bold in plotline. A plotline is not something to change again and again to please someone. Let's see what they will do in future plotlines and how they create the world building. Kuro must understand that the useless vocal portion of the fanbase is only 5 to 10 percent rest 90 percent people guinuinely wants improvement in writting.

[@baron7562]

@@elijah7616 Yeah I am wishing them the best as well. Hopefully they will be able to sort it out. I personally stopped playing after reaching UL 70 because there was no future character to look forward to or be excited about(Atleast the ones that have been teased). But I am interested in seeing where they take the story in the future and if they make any improvements.

[@TheHadzir]

One more thing, kuro gave us the shooting drone to help us who dont use gun character instead forcing us to switcth to gun character so it make us easier to explore the world, meanwhile genshin still forcing player to have claymore to gather mineral

[@SolaceSaga]

I completely forgot about that. Common Kuro W

[@marknaag2857]

Genshin also reduced the weapon to 50/50. But the logic is if I dont have enough primogems I wont spend money knowing I can lose. While in Wuwa there’s no losing so it’s easier to top up.

[@legacymse7095]

Another day, another wuwa shill who can’t live without bringing everything back to Genshin like a broken, obsessive ex.

[@SolaceSaga]

You’re actually a fucking idiot. I’ve been playing Genshin since before the miserable night i spent with your mother when you were conceived

[@kaffewomble1288]

​@@SolaceSagatop tier content creator everyone made a comeback like a 10 year kid🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@-LostforWords]

Genshin is broken anyway for example did your dev tells you about the Time Gap of that artifact editor? Da Wei Cry for what? they've listen? really? 4million players EVERYDAY! and have a SURVEY why they cant do properly? EVEN A FCKING ARTIFACT LOAD OUT? im not really surprise how stupid genshin player is that they didnt even notice... they need paimon to REPEAT IT FOR YOURSELF! and the MC is a fcking NPC in the background!

[@ayenmontefalcon6395]

wuwa shill? bro didtlnt watch the video. genshin is broken and the only obsessive ex are the addicted genshin impact players tryung to cope on their extra 3 pulls for their lantern rite😂😂😂😂😂

[@ayenmontefalcon6395]

another day, another genshin dck rider trying to cope bc its only a matter of time when azur promilia, project mugen and neverness to everness comes out and genshin will look like an oitdated version

[@fluhenotuti]

wuwa its really a great game, but its fun how no one takes wuwa's name alone seriously, every single big event about this game need genshin name involved. Wish people could separate them both to let wuwa's grow, and not being knowed as a shadow of other games...

[@asteriskonline3494]

Let them compare. We feast on their tears😂.

[@I.disagree]

​@@asteriskonline3494If you don't want the game to ever develop its own identity then sure

[@HoyoWhiteKnight]

And genshin players still can't accept that they're only argument against this is that REVENUE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yuudn]

Genshin players can only argue about revenue, lore or music, that's about all lol

[@forekmuchomorek7157]

just let them be, we don't have to make fun of them, they are making fun of themselves

[@HoyoWhiteKnight]

Fr like... what benefits are they getting at by flexing that revenue? Are they getting more rewards in game? Do genshin give free five stars?(The recent free 5 stars is shit so i won't include it)

[@nobitokyo9028]

Story, music, lore and combat is subjective. So people comparing by professional critics and award. And you know what, what we could compare now is certified award, and byfar kuro hasn't won any award because they're still new

[@forekmuchomorek7157]

@@nobitokyo9028 Kuro literally won Award for audiovisual

[@horo-horoxdive8046]

Ellusive Realms are such a great content for all the different "builds" you can pull off to do the challenges, and you hardly repeat the same method even using the same character to do all the levels. Heck, my favorite is making Baizhi, a Ok Healer going full DPS and do bigger numbers that my DPS Dealers (Jiyan, Changli, Xiangli Yao).

[@purnarawat3670]

People still don't understand that wuthering waves is a new game with new mechanics. Wuthering waves have a new world that is completely logical to like more than 4 year old game. Wuthering waves is better looking game Wuthering waves is better gacha game Wuthering waves is better game for you But calling wuthering waves a better game is delusional it's too early to even have comparison. Wuthering waves haven't made it's identity yet let's just wait 4 years then compare with genshin. Genshin doesn't need wuthering waves but wuthering waves need genshin. Wuthering waves might be better than genshin in some aspects. Just play wuthering waves and let us play genshin. Genshin is the success of wuthering waves because it is made for genshin players they study genshin and know everything about genshin players asking for and they give everything that genshin players wanted from genshin. but you have to understand genshin isn't just gacha game.

[@KeiGGR]

What are you even talking about? If you want to play by that logic then Wuthering Waves is much better than day 1 Genshin Impact, we don't need to wait 4 years to now it will still be better 4 years later.

[@dynamitezx9480]

​​​@@KeiGGRtbf wuwa come out 4 years after genshin, they have more to start with then genshin ever does

[@Pecoxu]

I dont even know anymore Solace. Ever since i played WuWa, it just meaningless for me to return to Genshin. Ive been logging in here and there to go try pull for Xilonen but it just doesnt appeal to me anymore. Ever since i got Zhezhi, my gameplay in WuWa is waaay more fun now. I tried going back to Genshin and finished archon quest and thats probably it. after natlan war shinannigans, i returned to WuWa immediately just to build my Sanhua, Zhezhi and Bhaizhi. 😭🤣 I know my fellow GI stans will always defend GI even tho GI devs are fooling us for giving us QoL BS that we don't need.

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

Same experience. I only really log-in to Genshin for the Archon Quests. And the bi-monthly end-game content. I'm not that excited with new areas and characters anymore except for the Archons.

[@komikath]

to be frank. i didn't think i nid the summary and archive of the story until they add it into the game. now i spend time reading it ingame and the map list skipping, and the flower auto marking. man that's just overall nice.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@komikath DUDEEEEE!! The flower auto marking thing is so peak. Lowkey one of my favorite additions to 1.3 haha

[@Zero_Li24]

Damn, and here's me sticking to genshin all these months. Still, I haven't seen anything interesting for me from Wuthering Waves that could make me play the game too. Genshin just feels too alive and mesmerizing, I like the chill and atmospheric play style

[@johnwick-lo6id]

Hey solace I loved ur video first time viewer new subscriber keep up the good work the video was high quality and ur info was sound brief and consistent waiting to see videos

[@SolaceSaga]

Thank you so much!!! Do you have any suggestions for content you’d like to see?

[@johnwick-lo6id]

@@SolaceSaga hey that was quick lol um I have checked out the rest of ur content yet but idk if ur only a gacha player but for gacha maybe pulls of upcoming banners, especially guides one that ik plenty ppl especially new players who are afraid to waste their wishes is a guide on the banners those games for example wuwa that I'm sure would get u some views especially for ur style with this video it would be gr8, as well as other guides, but if u play other game I mostly look at guides and playhthroughs for action games, thanks for asking I will be sticking around keep being honest u gonna have a strong community 👍

[@MagisterialVoyager]

i appreciate your calm yet funny delivery. man. keep it up.

[@SolaceSaga]

I appreciate that!

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@SolaceSaga are you going to make a part two? this is the first video i've watched from you, so i don't know whether you're more into meta than narrative, but what i find utterly beautiful about Wuthering Waves is that all the characters' trailer and animation are so much more diligently made. we can see various and visible emotions in their facial expressions, beside their body movement, too.

[@sayomiau1]

After reading a lot of comments (both on the comment section of this video and on other sites), I really don't understand why it has to be "This game or the other". Can't they play both? I mean, I guess what I'm trying to say is that people don't go shit all over Ocarina of Time just because Breath of the Wild came out, if that makes sense. At it's core, both Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact are pretty much the same thing. I guess that the difference is that WuWa has a more caring developer and a more complex and dynamic combat system, while Genshin is more charismatic and more friendly to a wider range of players (you know, not everyone enjoys challenges and actual difficulty while playing a videogame). I think that we can enjoy both games without making these sort of gangs or that "Android vs Apple" or "Coca-Cola vs Pepsi" type of fights

[@JamesLee50]

Wuwa isn't that hard at all except Tower of adversity and like the last 2 levels of holograms And let's be real if all content was absolutely easy then there's no point in playing And even TOA isn't that hard except for the level 100 fights Even Genshin has it Not everything in Genshin is absolutely easy And dev listening is just one of the reasons Skip button is something many consider just as important Tell me why haven't they added a simple skip button in 4 years Wuwa also gives better f2p experience with guaranteed weapon and 10 less hard pity 10 less hard pity is actually very insane Plus Wuwa has a far refined combat system it's not hard just refined Genshin has lore but we are playing a game not reading a light lovel Combat takes priority and genshin hasn't done any significant changes nor has it bothered to refine it Wuwa has much more realistic and fluid character moments and designs A lot of genshin designs feel repeated Devlopers listening of course is a major W But it's not the only thing it's a stacked effect Plus if we gotta compare lore er gotta do it with first 3 updates of wuthering waves with first 3 updates of Genshin impact Of course wuwa isn't some absolutely godly game or a saint either But no matter how you look at it It's better than genshin It's almost as if it was it's purpose It took the core framework of Genshin and improved upon it by • making a more refined combat system • better f2p experience • developers support • skip button • better and more realistic graphics Etc It's more like Genshin is really bad rather than wuwa being very very good

[@ambulance-kun5915]

From what I see all this comparison would just discourage genshin players from trying out wuwa if all they think about wuwa is that it's full of players who criticizes genshin. It sets some sort of defensive mechanism using their pride NOT to try wuthering waves.

[@LauderIX]

I know. It's both, wuwa elitist & genshin fanatics. Like, can't we play both games in peace? Neither billion dollar company is gonna pay you for defending their games.

[@vibe9281]

Both can be enjoyed nevertheless but one is genuinely better for reasons that even vet genshin players will agree with, they basically got the gacha of their dreams

[@JJKMagic]

Honestly if you're that defensive you wouldn't like WuWa either way because of the strong Genshin bias. To enjoy WuWa or well any game of the same genre you have to be open to it.

[@alvinnugraha5264]

Actually most of wuwa players already play genshin like me and I must say Wuwa is more enjoyable for me overral

[@BravoTribesman]

@@alvinnugraha5264 same here. I played Genshin for 3 years and even spent money here. And now playing WuWa I can confirm Kuro's game is way better. It basically gave me everything from the start that I wanted to see in Genshin for years.

[@silvervane9597]

The thing is wuwa is poorly optimized

[@SolaceSaga]

It’s not for me so I can’t say I relate. Runs perfectly fine on my phone and PC

[@scienceteam5848]

Yea its poorly optimized if you have potato phone and a pc

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Same uninstalled in 1.0, came back im 1.2 and it still runs like ass on mobile.

[@ministerjlupine]

A good business model and putting out content that makes us want to support developers with monetary value is in part what gaming is all about for me. (*giving a wink and a nod to WARFRAME and DEATH STRANDING*). I appreciate it when passion and generosity are worth my cash. It's what the gamer and artist in me lives for.

[@TheZombieman32]

i see a lot of people hate echoes compared to artifacts/relics. 90+% of the artifacts/relics you get, will be fodder. so you can spend days to months just trying to get a artifact/relic with the right main stat you want. then when you do get that piece, the stats are hp, hp%, def, def% most of the time. then if you get hp, attk%, cr, cd, it all rolls into hp. meanwhile in wuwa all echoes you get have the potential to be good, as long as you get the right set and main stat you are looking for. you can also farm for specific pieces. say you need a electro 3 cost on electro set. you can just farm the 3 costs echoes of that set(typically one 3 cost has 2 possible sets to drop, some exceptions ofc), instead of farming a domain where you get Flower, Plume, Sands of Eon, Goblet, and Circlet from a possible 2 sets in that domain. thats 10 possible pieces you can get from one domain, not mentioning all the possible main stats and sub stats there are from both. also, people have said the amount of echo lvl resources were bad. they didnt take into consideration how much and how often they were rolling echoes(they even decided to keep giving more too, through events. which is great). compared to genshin where the reason people have so much artifact exp is because they dont have many good pieces to spend them on, and all that fodder builds up then gets turned to exp. though, if i could change 1 thing about echoes it would be to get rid of tuners. needing 2 items(exp and tuners) to lvl and see the possible sub stat can be a bit annoying. i would prefer just needing exp imo

[@max-tp1xv]

people will easily burn out their heads just to level up echoes then. there's a reason why they add tuners, its because players need to keep their pace slow. the devs intended to make their game fair and square towards people who have all the time to grind vs people that can play a little. in other words, devs adds tuners to limit grinding fanatics and keep their game health and fair

[@KorvalisPT]

I don't think it's fair comparing both in such direct way. Genshin is now a 4 year old game while Wuwa is bearly half a year. There has been competition in the past for Genshin, like Tower of Fantasy which failed to compete with Genshin. What i mean is that other games such as Wuwa and Tower of Fantasy had the time to study and improve Genshin's Features as a Game and as a fresh releasing game they can quickly adapt and change Genshin's Features. Ofcourse that if you want to compete with an already established game like Genshin, you have to be more generous, not to mention that currently, Genshin has around 600 hours of content in Main Quests alone, so not many people will want to start it now from the begining. If Genshin was to change it's mechanics now, how would other polayers that spent Hundreds if not thousands of dollars on it? They would feel cheated or scamed. So yeah, any game that is similar to Genshin that is releasing now will inevitably be better than Genshin. But nonetheless, it was Genshin that open those possibilities for those Games, it showed that having a massive Open World with tons of exploration and diverse cast of characters to play with and captivating lore is possible on the Phone, for this reason, Genshin is one of the best Open World Free Mobile Game out there and will be marked in Gaming History.

[@MisoMow]

I agree, Genshin was revolutionary and it will be marked in gaming history. WuWa is better to me though, it took what Genshin did and made it better.

[@lonewolf-4lfe399]

Genshin impact devs just don't care WuWa Devs✅

[@3rikarolina]

I love how after failing at beating any hoyoverse games, WuWa players somehow seems wholesome waiting for their game to become top 10 or something saying devs deserve it all the time and always repeating that it's the only game worth spending.

[@10nessee]

hoyoverse is more popular and largwr tha kuro. of course they wont be beat. wuwa is still better.

[@saga8659]

Hahahaha that's the only thing you guys could utter, the revenue 😂. Of course hoyoverse games beats wuwa like a kid when it comes to revenue cause hoyoverse games are simply more predatory compared to wuwa

[@max-tp1xv]

because wuwa literally give you your money's worth. no 50/50 in the weapon banner, getting the desired weapon is already better. you need 270 pulls in genshin (in the past) to 100% the chance, whereas wuwa only marks it at 80. i play both GI and HSR to the endgame, but wuwa singe-handedly makes me play their games solely because I know I won't need to completely waste my time grinding artifacts and hearing paimon yapping 24/7. i've spent quite a sum of money in GI and HSR, but I left them for good now.

[@3rikarolina]

For some people yes, it's a matter of opinion ​@@10nessee

[@3rikarolina]

​@@max-tp1xvGood for you, really ;3 we all should play the game we enjoy the most

[@AscnetAgent]

One thing people need to know about echo is that you only need one set for each set type. If you're playing with two dps of the same attribute you can switch one of them to a support set with dps substats. You don't have to grind that hard. The main thing you might need to swap out is the 4 cost echo if they release a new variant with better effects. And everything would be so much better if they finally added the echo preset like they promised which would make transferring echo sets from one character to another much easier

[@kyphrin]

The story skip with a summery being added is great, but the lack of a Paimon is amazing for when you're reading the story as well. It really allows the MC to be an actual character (from about act 4 on) rather than letting something talk for them constantly. Probably my second favorite gacha MC at this point behind HSR's MC.

[@T_Jakhongir]

Just that WuWa's graphics are good but Genshin's graphics are more cheerful and bright it's an example of two different styles of anime

[@LADXavier]

sounds like anime and cartoon

[@Neil29011]

​@@LADXavierwell they are both anime

[@LADXavier]

@@Neil29011 genshin is a disney ahh game

[@ImJustPoxy]

I just wanted to share my opinion. I prefer Genshin Impact over Wuthering Waves. I reached level 45 in Wuthering Waves, but I didn't find it as enjoyable as others. Maybe I'm missing something, but I feel like if I wanted to play a game similar to Wuthering Waves, I would just play Elden Ring.

[@SolaceSaga]

That’s a valid take. It’s not for everyone. I’m gonna say though, as someone who has the platinum trophy on Elden Ring, WuWa is not nearly as difficult as that imo.

[@SHAM11_22]

Same here.

[@Goujiki]

You know what you're missing? You're missing the part where you have to agree with other people's opinions, or you feel ashamed.

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

You might have skill issue. That's why this game isn't for you. Or you too young to accept that maturity of this game.

[@Goujiki]

@@ben-taobeneton3945 Another crazy opinion. Imagine telling people that they're immature for not liking one video game over another.

[@naikdaun2715]

You know what? i come back to Genshin (after 1 year not playing the game) when Natlan release and have hope for better experience, but... QoL still suck and never change in term of slow exploration in all region (except new region, Natlan). Yesterday i want to change my life and uninstall Genshin because for an adult player who have limited time is not worth for me. Wuwa still playing until now since 1.0 because they're listening, QoL helps a lot, fun combat, and many reward because they respect all players

[@SolaceSaga]

@@naikdaun2715 yup WuWa is just in its own tier in terms of quality and dev feedback

[@Nikuzo]

I agree, plus fast paced games dont make me want to rip my hair out

[@SolaceSaga]

@@Nikuzo I would have that problem… but… well you know.

[@fuy1648]

@@SolaceSaga I was gonna say self roast but i realized how offensive that would be lmfao. Nothing wrong with being bald its just a meme.

[@khevvillacruz1237]

you forgot to mention it's not time consuming, and can speed run whenever you like

[@Sooplex._.]

As a Union Level 60 / Adventure Rank 49 Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact player, I relate the most to the Stamina Bar. It really is a huge hassle on Genshin's side. High Quality Video though. Great work!

[@0MXO0]

I LOVE spending money in WUWA. I’m not a whale, a light spender actually but I feel like even my small contribution every month (lunite sub and pioneer podcast) it’s actually going somewhere good into the game(more funds for story, graphics, characters etc). And I get rewarded so well at the same time, just that small contribution gets me one character and their weapon EVERY patch I’ve spent surely over $500 on genshin (I no longer play) and I still regret it immensely to this day 😭

[@andrebuskerneves6155]

All true... I'v recently discovered wuthering waves ( around 2 weeks ago ), been playing genshi for 2 years now... Wuthering waves it's amazing so far... they fixed and improved every little bad thing on genshin, combat it's way better, way more exciting, glad that o found it... For now the only "bad" side it's the amount of playable characters ( 17 on wuthering, around 70 on genshin ) and obvious less content, because it's a "new" game, but that will change with time, for sure.

[@Osprey1994]

ZZZ>HSR>Genshin=WuWa I really like the character designs in WuWa, and the game itself is beautiful. I definitely think if it were early Genshin vs WuWa it would be no contest, but current Genshin has so much to do, especially since I got a bit behind while going to college.

[@GroundDragonIII]

The day Wuwa performance gets stable im gonna agree with this statement.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Its running worse for me than it did in 1.0 so doubtfull at this point. Contemplating uninstalling every crash or lag.

[@10nessee]

you must be on a potato then. im running it perfectly fine on low end devices

[@GroundDragonIII]

@@10nessee Im on pc and can play a shit ton of games just fine.

[@HyperDrive365]

im even running fine with a 4 year old phone so something's wrong right here, heck even i played it on a 750ti with low settings, and oh boi no fps drops

[@fushi92]

I will say that there is something wrong with your pc/phone. It's working completely fine for the majority of people and I am saying "majority" because there are still those out there, who thinks they can run this on a hot potato, because they are able to play other games on those hot potatoes. This is a game fit for this era, which means your pc/phone needs to be on par with that.

[@leomatsubara8558]

WuWa devs adding QoL every patch is the real differentiator for me. Like I've been playing Genshin for almost 4 years and they only added extremely basic QoL recently like one click resend on expeditions, boss cooldown and fucking increasing the resin cap. I could probably write a novel with all the QoL Genshin needs and probably won't add.

[@Shadow_Symphony]

After playing Wuwa I can’t play Genshin the same knowing it could’ve been much more. I do still enjoy both games and I actually play Genshin a lot more than I play WuWa. That said, I still acknowledge from a gameplay perspective WuWa is better in that sense. I’m just still playing Genshin because I’m still interested in its story.

[@avi8183]

Another thing I like about wuwa is that if you zoom in to any character, you will notice that their in-game models actually looks BETTER than their 2d official arts, which is insane because their 2d models already looks really nice. Genshin could never btw like have you seen Albedo? disgusting. Their in game models look like they shrank in size, age and quality as compared to their 2d official art. All these poeple saying they dont hate genshin, BUT I DO. I PLAYED THAT GAME FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS AND IT DIDNT GET BETTER. I will keep hating untill the devs pull their head out of their @ss and atleast learn from hsr if not from wuwa.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@avi8183 Shorekeeper. I don’t even need to say anything else 😝

[@avi8183]

@@SolaceSaga trueee, she is gorgeous

[@SolaceSaga]

@@avi8183 can’t wait for Camellya though…

[@JoeEver123]

Its a double edge knife really. I must agree with you but that they look better than the splash art and thats because wuwa art style very generic. Imo its save by the technology. In 3-4 years youll understand what I mean.

[@max-tp1xv]

when youre pulling a character based on their official arts and get something from Temu instead🤣.. not what youre expecting

[@skyhart9926]

Wuwa is better. Kuro is better. Kuro treats its players with respect. Hoyo doesn’t. Da Wei is a fake cryer. Genshin made good QoL changes in 5.0 (maybe they got worried because of Wuwa). but after 5.0, genshin is going back to being complacent again and it’s starting to become sh^tty again.

[@christiangarcia4925]

The same Kuro who also says no when the same community demands melanin in their games. At least Genshin drops a drop of two every now and then.

[@Hapsy45]

​@@christiangarcia4925bro, wuwa is not even a year old, genshin has been for a LOT- I love wuwa and genshin but give them TIME, god- If wuwa were as old as genshin people could complain but it doesn't have even a year-

[@max-tp1xv]

@@christiangarcia4925 its funny because both wuwa and genshin are chinese company. I do like variety of skins depth, but for chinese, being white skinned is their beauty standards. most of their consumers are chinese so why would they listen to minority of westerners thats babbling on twitter whereas chinese people are enjoying everything they served..? the question can be asked back to you if youre a maker of something and have quite a standard of them, suddenly people criticizing you for having your own standards..? how would you feel?

[@christiangarcia4925]

@ idk to you dude. genshin managed to do good stuff on their first year alone with just mond and liyue.

[@Hapsy45]

@@christiangarcia4925 I didn't like it that much but I understand people like it, in fact I personally like more how WuWa starts but I know there can be a lot of people that prefer genshin writing, but I think that genshin doesn't show their story that much, I mean, is more like they tell you than they show you and thats why I prefer how WuWa shows the story (I don't mean that WuWa's story is better or not, that will be something that I need more time to know). I just like how WuWa listens more the comunity and as a genshin lover too, I love that genshin finally has competence (not from hoyo itself) so maybe they would listen more the comunity too-

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

All my first gachas are hoyo games, first is HI3 and then Genshin for 4 years and I'm still playing it. And I agree, overall, Wuthering Waves is the better game even with Natlan and the added mobility. it's easier to objectively point out factors that make it better. The only thing that Genshin does better in my opinion is world-building (not environmental design cause I think WuWa nailed that as well, but building lore). As someone who loves lore and challenging combat just the same. Genshin's plethora of in-game literature and notes scattered all over is a nice touch. As well as more interactible NPCs. But here's the thing, those only serves very few people. I'm willing to bet only few players actually read those and mostly aids lore buffs and CCs. With the 1.3 Black Shores update, the gap on world-building has gotten smaller cause Black Shores solved my gripes with world-building and they even went above and beyond. There are so many NPC talking to each other which drops lore. So many NPC interaction where the same NPC have different interactions based on a different time. I also like the faster (too fast imo, they need to slow fown a bit) writing and presentation in terms of the story. The combat mechanics and the content like the holo coop are great. Not perfect but great nonetheless. Like seriously, the holo coop event is the most fun I've ever had in a gacha coop event. The wild card are the devs and how the treat their players. They do this as well in PGR. I inow they're a for-profit company but man sometimes their actions make me think that they hate money.

[@Havczz]

It's like they know how to make games but not how to make money.

[@Cyanoco]

I'm Genshin Impact player who been play this game for 4 years and retired right after WuWa released, I agreed with you. WuWa is "Genshin" but more refined that player wanted. Like: - Map on GI is getting bigger but stamina still the same - Story that I'm not interested cannot be skip (even worse that story can unlocked weekly boss or areas) - Resin capacity increased is useless if recharge rate is still the same - Combat on Genshin is clunky and slow (I know some people don't like fast-paced gameplay but no sir I want to finish my daily task ASAP, sir)

[@ruisimp]

This video is so right!! When I first played Wuwa I couldn't go back to Genshin anymore, despite having almost a 4-year-old account and a lot of time spent there. I forced my self to play, and well yeah it is kinda fun, but when I once again came back to Wuthering Waves it's just...that wow factor. It's much smoother, more generous and just more enjoyable! I wish Wuthering Waves the best, as the devs team really deserves all the praise they get!

[@johns783]

love both, play both, still prefer genshin overall. not quitting either any time soon, though. but the music, the whimsical world, the voices, stories and game performance are all leagues ahead in genshin's favor. Wuwas got the combat, more free stuff and qol. Be interesting to see if it ever takes the top spot for me, but it has a ways to go. If ps5 release kills it that'd be a big deal to me.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@johns783 all totally valid. I still very much enjoy Genshin I just want it to be better

[@sylthfarn3187]

People always talk about Genshin's story but Paimon is the story killer for me.

[@fundamental7366]

​@@sylthfarn3187 That's unfortunate.

[@maxttk97]

Yeah I can agree with you on this. I play both the games. I still pick GI for now.

[@misua.]

I play both games and I agree to all you said hehe

[@shu12316]

I decided to try again Wuthering waves 1.3 after dropping it at start of 1.2. Guess what happened ? It crashed in first 5 minutes 😂

[@SolaceSaga]

Damn foreal?? That sucks dude I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve been fortunate I guess it’s always ran fine for me.

[@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn]

Same, uninstallef after 1.0 after finishing all content then installed again in 1.2 for free 5 star and this thing still barely works. Cant get stable 24 FPS on lowest setting, constant crashes, lag and connection errors etc. Every crash makes me contemplate uninstalling again.

[@denzel4341]

Personally: UI: Genshin Story/Lore: Genshin Game Design/Aesthetic/Architecture: Genshin Music/Voiceacting: Genshin Cutscences/Animation: Wuwa Exploration: Wuwa Combat: Wuwa QOLs/Dev Response: Wuwa I play both games and my only real gripe with Genshin is how they poorly communicate with their playerbase, I also don't blame them, the Devs were transparent from the Start, I only noticed the downward trend when Genshin became mainstream and the Zhongli rework happened. The dev posts and in game transparency started to drop consistently since then. Wuwa on the otherhand had a rough start and is still has ongoing damage control right now as the game still has ingame issues that needs to be worked on. I could only imagine the massive uproar when Wuwa's anniversary comes and the upcoming Open world games arrive. If Hoyo suddenly releases QOLs quickly as Kuro and adheres to their playerbase during that time, I will quit the game indefinitely, as that is a massive betrayal to the players. Imagine seeing majority of playerbase QOLs on Genshin implemented in the launch of their newer games, remember, the "Genshin Could Never" quote originated from HSR and not WUWA.

[@LauderIX]

Kuro has a knack of making a bad & chaotic launch, like they did in PGR too. Strangely enough, I prefer genshin's cutscene animations over wuwa's while for overall game design I prefer the latter. Genshin's more cartoonish animations just felt more iconic & memorable to me. I still remember the cutscenes from genshin's 1st versions while wuwa.... none of the story & cutscenes stuck with me so far, except for the recent ones.

[@denzel4341]

@@LauderIXI cant remember any Genshin cutscenes and animations because they’re the same recycled animation four years ago. They couldn’t even animate a proper hug for Kachina and Mualani. Cant even show their hands when handing off or showing something. The only cutscenes in Genshin that are noteworthy are the special animated ones. Meanwhile cutscenes on wuthering waves for both special cutscenes and dialogue look superb. You can check both story patch updates on KZbin and the difference is very noticeable specially for the dialogue scenes. Like bro… kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHPpaN7edmHfM0si=6Ykifq9PaWdiBGEQ

[@LauderIX]

@@denzel4341 Perhaps I should've specified on animated cutscenes, if I hadn't already. Higher quality vfx doesn't always translate to better cinematic effects. Angles, timing, execution, etc, there are other things that are put into consideration. If you don't understand what I'm getting at, take a look at HSR's animated cutscenes, specifically Penacony parts. That game has the unarguable best cutscenes in the gacha game market as of now. Wuwa is also severely lacking in sfx for their cutscenes, so much that the difference between GI & Wuwa is like night & day. Genshin's animated cutscenes from Sumeru & Fontaine still trump everything that wuwa has pulled so far.

[@denzel4341]

@@LauderIXwe all have our prerefence tbh my experience with Star Rail in Penacony wasn’t great, So many plot holes and inconsistencies during the entire plot point I stopped playing HSR because of the inherent power creep.

[@LauderIX]

@@denzel4341 That's fair. I don't think that HSR's story is amazing either, just that the cutscenes are the best we currently have compared to other gachas. Story wise there are other much better games like Limbus Company, Counterside, Guardian Tales, etc. But for me, WW's plots felt rushed & repetitive. A lot of plot points felt left out or forced, like abruptly antagonizing tethys system, then for some reason it turned good again after a beating. The good part that I could think of was shorekeeper's story ending, and only because it was out of place with the messy build up. They failed at the world-building part, but at least made room for good character development. Most of the casts also lack depth and suffer from being one-dimensional. Chixia, Yangyang, & Baizhi are prime examples, they have only 1 trait that makes up their entire character, kind(Yang²) bright/lively(chixia), serious/cool(baizhi). And then we have Jinhsi, Aalto & Encore, who have some depth but are still pretty bland. Changli & Jiyan were good. Shorekeeper was the best thing to ever happen in WW.

[@UsagiFlapmaster_Arisu]

Genshin: memories playing co-op(2020) Wuwa: Most Motivated combat system (better) Just my opinion

[@lingo7743]

another thing I feel so much after playing wuwa is, Hoyo only show a pic of the chara when u get a 5 character which wuwa even give 4 star charas a simple beautiful gacha animation. im so impressed when i saw the Jinshi pulling animation.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@lingo7743 I hadn’t even considered this. This is probably just an artifact of Genshin being old, I feel like most gacha games don’t have animations like WuWa does for pulling characters. But this is yet another thing that Genshin devs could easily add if they wanted to.

[@lingo7743]

@@SolaceSaga yeah i agree. not many gachas do that. i appreciate kuro make efforts on these little things. as u said in video, they add these details together and give good experience

[@meiyunwu6616]

The only good thing about Genshin in my opinion is sometime the character design/world design and the Va WUWA on the other hand, listens, amazing combat, awesome events, lots of free astrites and stuff!, exploration is much more exciting and MUCH easier than genshin 😭😭😭 there is even more but ill be making a paragraph if so. Wuwa >>>>>>>> Genshin

[@nguyenho5859]

Character design in GI is mid to bad tbh. Yae vs Changli and you will see

[@rxceed]

​@@nguyenho5859 Or Diluc vs any male WuWa characters...

[@daina012]

​@@rxceed Mondstad batman has nothing on General Jiyan.

[@daina012]

​@@rxceed Mondstad batman has nothing on General Jiyan.

[@max-tp1xv]

@@daina012 even if they give another pair or sets to genshin's batman, they would never be able to compare themselves from literally any wuwa male characters😂

[@lapis.d3i]

Damn… for someone like me who’s part of both communities, wow - people are so obsessed with these, huh? Looking at it from a wider perspective, it’s funny to see people constantly fighting: ‘my game is better than your game,’ comparing both games, nitpicking here and there. I mean, when you see freaking adult but they’re fighting on the internet about gacha games, like, sorry, but it’s really funny to me.

[@SolaceSaga]

If you watched the first 30 seconds of my video then you’d know that I also play both games. Unless your comment is directed to other people in this thread?

[@JyGproductions]

Bro it's not even funny anymore. These people have played like 3 games in their life. And they think that all games should be made in the same way.

[@nguyenho5859]

There is always a better one. Feel doesn’t change fact. And it is natural to fight for thing you like.

[@JyGproductions]

@nguyenho5859 it's not even fighting for this you like. This is comparing two free games and think that your opinion matters more then some one else. Let people play the games they want. If you think wuwa is better, play wuwa. If you think genshin is better, play genshin.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

It may not be the CCs intentions to cause fights between the communities(execpt for Tectone), but they indrectly caused provocations, thus leading to fights between the communities. I mean just the title itself is a provocation even if that's not the CC's intention.

[@Fate_Dz]

The only thing i like about genshin is the story, wuwa have better combat , gacha and events. Even though is not fair to compare event since we haven't hit a year for wuwa.

[@maman1414]

Bruh.. Genshin story just like baby story, wuwa have better story because it's about world apocalypse and dark theme 😎😎😎

[@Fate_Dz]

@@maman1414 there are other game with apocalypse and dark theme like nikke and pgr. Nothing special about it

[@zeply_kaiteki]

ye mihoyo story writers and the honkai verse stories are absolutely insane, wuwa did flop its story in beta but now it's gradually becoming better.

[@bernardo5917]

i agree

[@Fate_Dz]

@@zeply_kaiteki yep, I enjoyed the shorekeeper story with mc so far. So I hope I would see more of such stories from them

[@24Vittorio]

I got all my characters without spending, love you kuro

[@Kulgia]

WuWa scratched that itch I've had when playing Genshin lmao

[@XieRH1988]

There is something about the Echoes that you didn't mention and that is just like Genshin, the Echo substats in Wuwa can also (in your own words) "roll like shit". And not only that you also left out the glaring issue with Echoes which is that you can't see what substats they have at the beginning because they are all hidden initially. The Malleable Echo is similar to the Self Modeling Resin from Hoyo's other game, Star Rail and sure enough players have ran into lots of cases where they wasted the item to craft a piece with the stat they want, only for the substats to come out as unwanted crap like DEF/HP. At the end of the day you can't always get what you want if it's subject to RNG.

[@arthurgeier2545]

Not just "roll like shit" but echos whose mainstat elemental dmg buffs and sonata dmg buffs are not identical. Kuro copied this from Genshin but all these i d i o t s scream "Wuwa is better" without realizing that Kurogames could have done it differently but they were too lazy. Add more creatures, each creature provides a specific dmg buff or support-mainstat (e.g. havoc-based creatures only havoc dmg%) - voila, the grinding would have been much less of a chore and much better than Genshin's. You would end up with RNG for substats only. But Kurogames just copied most of GI's artifact flaws and called it a day.

[@cruLife-morningSTAR]

​@@arthurgeier2545 lol you just want it to be much easier. Its already easy as it is, you can clear the end game contents with average builds. And theres an overworld echoes you can farm or just go for tacet field for "more chances" to get those "elemental dmg bonus" 3 cost.

[@arthurgeier2545]

@@cruLife-morningSTAR Meh teams and average builds can suffice but the amount of restarts in ToA just goes through the roof when compared to well-built teams, consisting of well-built characters with 5* weapons. The difference is day and night.

[@scienceteam5848]

@@arthurgeier2545 my xiangli yao clear ToA with 4 star weapon whats your response?

[@Morkibay]

I disagree on that part. After 4 months the majority of my characters have almost perfect substats. It's much easier to tell that your echoes are bad. And it costs way less resources. I cleared 2 towers 30/30 doritos. I have multiple characters at 80 and all my current DPS at lvl 90. The game actually respects my time in terms of grinding.

[@MarionFR]

So true, it should be clear as day, Genshin had so much potential but Hoyo wasted it. I wouldn't even recommend Genshin really, there is so many better games worth your time, like WuWa.

[@SolaceSaga]

@@MarionFR yeah I’d never recommend Genshin to someone just getting into Gacha games

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Even if we do not recommend, Hoyo has still an insane marketing team to cover for them and people will flock to them regardless. Tthey even used the Las Vegas sphere just for their ads for HSR, goes to show they have the money to flex compared to other company competitors.

[@John-hz8xy]

People act like Genshin cooked in 5.0 Well, they did. They cooked a delicious scrambled egg, meanwhile its competitors like Wuwa (and yes, I'm including HSR and ZZZ) have been making gourmet meals.

[@christunstel6954]

1.2 was shit compared to 5.0 , I played both of them fully .1.3 was slightly better but still bad

[@XUIW]

Genshin is just outdated, it a mainstream everyone jumps to because during the time of covid and people locked into their houses after completely finishing botw people shifted to Genshin. Genshin was named a botw clone for every right as it was. It endured the same amount of hate for being a copy until years later they've earn to be original in itself. WuWa isn't a exemption to this though. But comparing a 4 years game vs a game that is barely a year old has done more changes in a few weeks than to Genshin listening to playing for over 4 years doing the bare minimum.

[@ayumuaikawa]

the only argument I'm really against is the thing about mining, it's a cool feature, and goes with the way we destroy geo construct, claymore, klee bomb or zhongli, this makes sense to me and breaking rock with small sword or a bow wouldn't make much sense to me