What Killed The Punk Rock MBA?

[@mattr27]

The guy managed to be a poser and an elitist snob at the same time 😂

[@CinemaATTACKS]

he was like an inverted gatekeeper, he calls out people for not being a poseur

[@lewisb85]

@@CinemaATTACKS my favourite was when he was telling someone facts about bring me the horizon(person was correcting errors finn made in a video), the person he was giving those facts to was their manager.

[@blankwavemessiah]

Lol yeah

[@michelvoortman4725]

But don't let the gatekeepers stop you! 😁

[@s.a.l.1974]

tbh that is usually the same thing in some subcultures

[@pankace3296]

Finn's career on KZbin can be summed up in one sentence: "Man intentionally posts controversial takes to offend people, reads mean comments from offended people, cries about it and quits"

[@WILD__THINGS]

Pretty much

[@iamcase1245]

When he was calculating his ragebaiting career he forgot to add in the part where trolls will dissect every aspect of your personal life and figure out you're a groomer, a liar, a white supremacist, a closet thin blue liner, your dad was a racist cop, you were an incel until your mid 30s and you were chasing teen girls at warped tour when you were 25.

Why does he even feel the need to read the comments? If it stresses him out just ignore it lol. He's under no obligation to engage with them (even those who give positive feedback).

[@andrewz4105]

Money grubbing man with no interest in music*

[@LornashoreJason]

Every time I seen him on KZbin and his video titles It just got me annoyed lol

[@pete7164]

Admitting that he was only in it for the money is the ONLY punk rock thing he ever did

[@jacksterling9258]

God if that ain’t the truth…

[@BoynamedMagnus183]

+ he liked pop and Green Day and Modern Music

[@ZEITSTER]

We're Only In It For The Money 💰 😁

[@Ramonatho]

Just like how the guy who made Hard Times admitted he only did for the money and then sold it to venture capitalists so he could start a bookkeeping business

[@aaronhurst4379]

Isn't punk rock all about the love of creative endeavours, though? Though I get that honesty perhaps might override that...

[@tokeshed]

nothing more pop punk than having a GF half your age

[@CocoonMasterBrendan]

peak Warped Tour energy

[@lewisb85]

@@CocoonMasterBrendan Damn I was going to make that joke,

[@jacobo.winograd]

Nothing more Hardcore* But it's valid

[@MarionBekhouche]

they don’t call it groomcore for no reason

[@Mayonnaisesucks730]

The irony of him complaining about corporations and misogyny while dating a woman who works at amazon half his age lol

[@themetalmeltdownofficial]

Finn outing himself as a phony and a grifter who never cared about the scene he claimed to represent and just wanted to make money is genuinely so funny to me. I hope shredding his own reputation was worth whatever money he made.

[@EvilRabbit9590]

Yeah and towards the beginning of this year and last year. He just seemed bitter as hell.

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

Lol what reputation

Its also stupid as hell. Maybe someday he'll wanna come back to the channel, since it probably makes at least decent money. But who is honestly gonna care about his takes now? Giving your opinion about something doesn't matter if you aren't interested in the topic. Maybe if he did "scene history" vlogs, that's only factually based. But opinions? Nobody will care now.

[@arjunmenon1796]

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[@SuperStrik9]

Agreed. What makes it even funnier and weirder is that I don't think Finn was a total phony poser. At least at one point years ago you could tell he cared/had passion for the music he was covering. Weird that he would go scorched earth like he did but it's his choice. Nobody will take him seriously again if he decides to come back.

[@rodbelding9523]

I never understood his appeal. His videos were like "Strange History of Some Band!" and then the video is him reading the band's wikipedia page.

[@Naruto735]

That's what he became but when he started out it was kind of fresh since it was coming from a place of passion and lived experience. But after a while it seemed like the grind of youtube left him out of ideas and passion.

[@CasvalSVER]

The algorithm used to love him, I used to get recommended his videos often. Listening to any type of punk, metal, hardcore etc on youtube I guarantee his videos will pop in your feed eventually. He'd pop up on my recommended and I'd use his videos as background noise while working in the shop occasionally. Never knew anything about the guy until now, didn't even know he quit. lmao

[@Raitor33]

Yeah, and for some reason the band’s less popular albums always were “their best” in his opinion. The man suffers from chronic contrarianism.

[@pankace3296]

The truth is, those videos do well because people like to hear someone popular talk about their favorite band, even if it's all information they already know. It's the same reason I watch album reviews for albums I've loved for years: it's nice to have your feelings validated, and it's entertaining to get fake-mad at someone disliking something you like. Deftones and SOAD fans who were annoyed at how ignorant he was about their bands practically paid Finn's mortgage.

[@writteninstars]

I watched him three years ago and I liked the stories he had of the numetal days. Did not know what became of his content until this video popped up on my feed.

[@DarrynGrills]

Bro was the loudwire of music youtubers...

[@notsocrates9529]

I watched him talk about the punk scene I grew up in 1990s SoCal, he was such a boomer and so far off. Where did he get his info from? >LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR YOUTH

[@DarrynGrills]

Even wikipedia has more accurate information!

[@iliketrains3495]

I don't think he sucks off Corey Taylor enough though

[@zachroberts1988]

@@notsocrates9529 He acted like his time in the ohio music scene was a reflection of the whole scene and couldnt ever seperate the fact he was an alcoholic junkie the whole time...

[@RoyThomas-c7h]

@@DarrynGrills you watch Wyattxhim, his videos are just Wikipedia summaries

[@graymads]

The dude who called his channel the "Punk Rock MBA" was just in it for the money? Color me shocked......

[@lordvlygar2963]

He was completely open about it and mentioned how he is a business man, but the music videos get the clicks. Nobody should be surprised he wasn't in it wholeheartedly.

[@SkarletOctaviaMUSIC]

I love your videos

[@gerniyy5579]

Love you graymads best channel ❤

[@ByeByeAlan]

Yo graymads!! love your vids

[@murray9807]

PunkRockMBA quit youtube? I don't even have a bottle of champagne to celebrate.

[@JouniK86]

I have, and I'm celebrating. Here's a glass for you, fine sir.

[@FuckFistingAss7osuFF7osu]

i have a 12 pack of corona

[@joesiemoneit2787]

How about celebrating with a bottle of cheap beer like a proper punk?

[@hitleractually8180]

Maybe you can borrow the Kamala Professor's bottle she never got to drink in celebration.......

[@SamBrockmann]

@@joesiemoneit2787 , what makes you think that "a proper Punk" drinks cheap beer? What even defines a "proper Punk"? Stop being an idiot.

[@MyNameAkhim]

I don’t think he’s some terrible person but he always rubbed me the wrong way with how smug and condescending he was. It was also pretty clear to me that he had the stereotypical finance bro/business man mentality to everything. He rarely talked about the actual MUSIC itself

[@djinnxx7050]

He's your typical straight edge "better than you" type. A bit of a douchenozzle. That's how you know he's legit, as in he listened to a lot of it in his youth, sadly he failed to pull his head out during adulthood.

[@BillCoz]

​@@djinnxx7050So true

[@KaiDecadence]

Yeah that's the reason why I could never fully get into his stuff even though the topics were interesting and in some cases, nostalgic throwbacks. But he would mostly focus on whether the band was financially successful and it killed the vibe because while sure, money is important to survive, when it comes to creativity i's nice to focus on the heart and substance of the subject itself whether it makes a lot of money or not.

[@badxradxandy]

I don't even think he liked music so much as he wanted to read a wikipedia article and get paid. Always got that vibe that he never really liked any of the bands he made videos about.

[@BillCoz]

@@MyNameAkhim yeah plus his head looks like a bare skull

[@koobs4549]

He talked extensively about his struggle with addiction, then started taking money to advertise gambling sites. Seemed pretty hypocritical coming from a recovering addict

[@mandu6665]

Anything for that grift.

[@stillsober19]

Tag on your soul, everybody got a price

[@lunarhero8919]

"if you want to know more about black metal, read Lords of Chaos"

[@Robasaibot]

😂😂😂😂

[@lewisb85]

What you mean its not the supreme text on black metal?

[@unsenorllamadoukko5795]

​@@cauteryrecordsI think it's sarcasm

[@LeithH-x3e]

@@lewisb85 saying that to know more about a music genre you should read about it I don't fully agree with regardless of the genre. it's like saying that you should look at videos of people playing guitar to understand how to play it. I feel like just by listening to the music you start to understand more about the genre. (this might be a retarded take)

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Even I knew that’s bullshit and I’m a “fake metal poser sellout” lol

[@davidantman6040]

“Remember, that KZbin is a very young platform….” Not young enough to hold Finn’s interest apparently.

[@Metal_Guy_777]

Zing!

[@mountaverage2706]

Buuuuuurrrrrrrnnnn

[@2ndproductions459]

what a maniac

[@ProgJester]

daaaaayyymmmm

[@Grislybaer]

BRUH... THATS DIABOLICAL

[@brqh3gre]

I do think he was telling the truth when he said he was never interested in the music. He may have been interested in the music scene, but the music itself. Nothing in his videos reflected an interest in the music. It was all so analytical and unpassionate

[@Pedro-S1lva]

Unpassionate is the perfect word to describe his videos and his channel as a whole

[@happysunshinemedia7092]

nah he was a legit hardcore kid. 90's hardcore and now are not the same culture at all. hes pretty clear on the hxc stuff he grew up on and the scenes he was involved in. I think he tried to broaden his videos and genres specifically to attract viewers and realized he really wasnt that knowledgable about it.

[@piropra6184]

I think he loved it as a teen but by the time he was making these videos he seemed really more excited about commercial success more than music.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

_Psuedo_ analtical

[@lordvlygar2963]

He wanted to use his channel for his business passion, but the music drama videos are what got the clicks. He has mentioned numerous times that he wishes he could upload business videos and not have to do the music videos.

[@Anton-os5lk]

For someone who listens to music for a living he has a really terrible and basic taste

[@michelvoortman4725]

Gatekeeper! 😅

[@calderonugaldesalvador1662]

It's his takes more so than his taste

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

Nothing wrong with being a fan of pop music or not liking black metal The issue is how ignorant his takes are. I’m not really into black metal and I find a lot of the fans of it to be insufferable asses, but even I know it doesn’t sound “all the same”. And even I know that Lords of Chaos is not an accurate source of information lol

[@corbjones2738]

he embodied the "make jokes about the bassist" part of youtube music culture

[@allstopblue5717]

He would push any band whose members are blatant liberals and bash bands who weren’t

[@gui4816]

I've never seen a guy try so hard to alienate his own public

[@jacobo.winograd]

Based Goat Horns pfp

[@nielsB_FPV]

TBH that was the only thing that drew me to his channel, was hearing how I was a lowlife loser for listening to metal (and being from the EU) and I should listen to countrypop

[@oatmeal710]

alienating his own audience was the most punk thing he's ever done

[@guitardork555]

I would counter the idea that Finn was always self aware of his brand. He once said he asked Nik Nocturnal why he wasn’t growing like Nik had and said that Nik told him, in the nicest way Nik could, that Finn is a dick who people don’t like. Finn talks a big game about understanding the industry and stuff like that, but he never seemed too SELF aware.

[@dlc435]

Some people who are really amazing in one field are absolutely laughably bad in other fields. Seen it more often that not

[@zachroberts1988]

He couldnt put his smugness aside to be likeable...

[@derelictor]

Wow, in which video?

[@CocoonMasterBrendan]

Honestly, as far as I can tell, the dude never cared about his fans. He was frequently insulting and belittling them in his videos and streams, so this whole "mask-off" moment doesn't surprise me in the slightest

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

The video about Japanese music shows that. He dismissed all their music suggestions as being trash and labeled anyone who likes that music as weebs and people with a fetish for Asians.

[@xenos_n.]

​@@SOBEKCrocodileGod yeah that's so bizarre to dismiss an entire country that has tons of different music.

[@bulletbelt97]

@@SOBEKCrocodileGodlol he has an Asian wife. how ironic.

[@Hosenanzugtasche]

Always the shoutouts but only for big fish patrons, really sad. Then bottom of the barrel ads, really just garbage.

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

We all wish we could be bald 50 year old men who are experts in pop punk. And have a complete wardrobe from the Zumiez store! That really is the key to self actualization.

[@Abridgimation]

Found it weird he was glazing Ronnie Radke so hard. Now it makes more sense.

[@voxextremos22]

And his interview with Tillian from DGD... yikes

[@eaglebauer944]

In his view, Ronnie is a great musician because he's successful. That has always been his take from the beginning. Successful artist = good artist.

[@HaleThePanda]

​@voxextremos22 now that I agree with 😅

[@JohnsonBruckheimer]

The claim of never liking the music really screams "I want you all the leave me alone after this and bug off".

[@xenos_n.]

Definitely. I think he just hated that most people didn't like his taste & personality.

[@Mayonnaisesucks730]

Dude saw fantano and thought “how can I be more brain dead and annoying?”

[@allstopblue5717]

Dead on accurate 😂

[@meth_user]

Hell nah fantano is a ret@4rd

[@DontBeAHeroBuddy]

No one is more braindead and annoying than fantano

[@johnchedsey1306]

I swear I do not get Fantano's appeal. I watched 3 minutes of a video years ago and was like "NOPE"

[@jackcravford8744]

@@johnchedsey1306 He at least with his reviews, can display some less known artists, bands and albums so you can find always something new to check out. And i don't see him insulting his own fan base. Also he has his own meme thing going on. It is not the music that keeps him on the map but the memes.

[@rupaulver8578]

I like when Wyatt makes a new video bc I always forget to stay hydrated. pls keep uploading so i dont die.

[@oatmeal710]

stop buying drinks that aren't water, problem will fix itself

[@rogerdiz3520]

Finn was a troll, and if you're going to be a troll, you better have thick skin.

[@GrimTheFox]

Finntroll

[@Questformetal]

Having recently had a daughter of my own if she mentioned she was chatting to someone 16 years older i'd be mortified. Its just really creepy and sad on his part. Anyway when you do end up having a kid at least we know they'll have a good dad and they won't be short on music to listen to haha

[@AidanMartin]

If I had a daughter who grew up to end up like Finn's wife I would be beyond ashamed of myself or be beyond embarass as well as yes deeply concern over her talking to a guy who is around twice her age at the moment they meet

[@SatanSquad]

​@@AidanMartinwas she an adult when they started dating?

[@themadmattster9647]

I dated a woman 15 years younger a few years back. Stop judging unless there was a crime committed or something nefarious

[@Questformetal]

I'll 100% judge if they were groomed before they were an adult

[@themadmattster9647]

@ that’s different for the most part. I knew girls in high school (when I was in high school) who would aggressively go after adult men. I’m not saying it’s right but I think they had more agency in that situation than many would say. I mean they were 16/17 or almost 18 so it’s not like they were super young teenagers but this was just my experience. I dated a 26 year old when I was 41, and I do want kids one day so it’s plausible I’ll still be dating women in their twenties and 30s in the future. My last date was 22 but I do prefer mid twenties. I’m trying to practice my skills getting better with women though so I’m not going to card every woman at a bar to see if they’re above 25. They’re old enough to drink, fight in wars, smoke, drive, and vote, they should be old enough to sleep with in this instance.

[@the_glove]

It’s just like how lazily researched his stuff is. it always rubbed me the wrong way how confident he was about his takes without diving in, almost never criticizing things as a fan , and usually from a very very surface level of understanding.

[@robwalsh9843]

Finn mocked 90s rap metal Yet promoted metal-"influenced" rap as the future of metal. Don't get it.

[@danieltelesost]

I've unfollowed him after his JRock video were he claimed that people only like Babymetal because people are thirsty over japanese teenagers, wich is very ironic now knowing all the stuff about his wife, I've only knew she had pretty bad takes on politics. The indie rock one was very very dumb too, when he covered the bands that he really grow up listening and was a super fan of it was fun to watch, but everytime he did videos about other stuff he didn't actually listened it was very lazy. The way he dresses is not a problem at all tho, I live in city with a lot of skate/surf culture, all dads dress like that and play in hardcore bands 😄.

[@kayz.o1054]

Thats 100% him projecting lmao, he used to fetichize east asian women a LOT on his old blog

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

THANK YOU. He also said the exact same shit he would criticize elitists and snobs for saying about easycore music about Fear & Loathing In Las Vegas’s early music. Complete hypocrite and that video was the opposite of everything I enjoyed about his channel in his past.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

@@kayz.o1054 yeah he said about one of the pop singers in the video “it’s okay if you have yellow fever” as if fetishism is the only reason anyone would enjoy said singer’s music. It’s disgusting

[@mmestari]

It takes kind to know kind.

[@jaegermeister798]

His take on Babymetal and his choice to double down against the fan base was one of the worst “business decisions” he made. Even after he uploaded a “proper” video about them before Ratatata dropped, the damage was already done and it didn’t help him that some things about that video were slightly out dated.

[@viriathas9910]

Punk Rock MBA was pretty much just a normie larping as a metalhead/punker rocker, and using rage bait to get views. As far as I know he has a marketing background and probably understood pretty well that heavy music fans are easy to trigger, and if anything, the less he understood and the worse his takes were, the more engagement he would get. As far as his wife goes, to take a shot at her about grooming is a bit of a low blow. If anything, she's an expert and whether its subconscious, she can probably spot it better than anyone.

[@lordvlygar2963]

100% He was also blatant about doing this, frequently mentioning it.

[@WuwuWuwuTV]

He was in the punk scene though. I mean it is really obvious. He wasn't larping. He just didn't identify with it as much as he got older. He was pretty up front about his perspective on it changing.

[@ChargerBullet]

@@WuwuWuwuTV No, not the punk scene. He was into that 90s "hardcore" scene where it was already moving away from Hardcore Punk. That 'chugga chugga' guitar sounding stuff where the lyrics are just talking about hanging out with your friends and other vague straight edge lyrics.

[@ciscokid1214]

​@@lordvlygar2963yhea he was just a guy who had an hardcore phase just that a phase having a phase and being part of a scene are 2 tottally diffrent things

[@milesgeary6358]

​@ChargerBullet Exactly, dude listened to crap bands like Earth Crisis, Madball and 25 ta Life. Basically new metal for know it alls.

[@GarryLarryBarry]

Finn wanted to be the no.1 music know-it-all, but realised the internet's full of them, which annoys him, so he created cynical persona that he calls "anti-gatekeeping", shit taking people he probably saw his younger stuff in, resorting to basically saying "that thing people are really in to, actually that's shit and you're shit person for being into it", and eventually, he got bored.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

He basically ended up just becoming a gatekeeper himself

[@anthonywheeler2082]

People in his comments called him the most gatekeeping anti-gatekeeper out there haha

[@zachroberts1988]

He wanted to be Rick Beato or even Nik Nocturnal in the worst way but couldnt ever get over his smug nature to do so because artists can spot a poser from a mile away...

[@BB-cf8ju]

Tool's "Forty Six & 2" was really about Finn and his wife this whole time

[@Samotbackwards]

What always kills me is that Finn is my dad's age. My dad's a mechanic, an adult, who was into the exact same music as Finn was. But my dad's 47 and has a family. Finn is 46 and thinks he's still my age.

[@johngrimm3837]

for a sec i thought the building in the thumbnail was my old elementary school and almost freaked out 💀

[@dlc435]

He’s going there to meet his next wife

[@johngrimm3837]

@dlc435 bro 💀

[@dlc435]

@@johngrimm3837 😅

[@dlc435]

@@johngrimm3837 hehe

[@ZephraFPS]

The building in the thumbnail was my old high school lmao

[@rottenpietv2568]

It was just so hypocritical of him to whine about the reactions and criticisms yet still posture like an edgy rebellious teen. Especially when people suggested he venture into other genres and territories of music and he flat out would refuse and just say "oh my audience doesn't want that, all the comments whine when I dare think of that". Yea really punk rock to be completely cuckolded by your audience. What a joke.

[@xenos_n.]

He would say that while simultaneously praising pop country. Man is a joke.

[@wyattxhim]

I have this strange feeling that everyone defending Finn saying “She’s Legal bro” Have gone ahead and purged their hard drives

[@StanTorrent]

@@wyattxhim That would assume they’d have the dignity of hiding their perversion

[@schillinger7814]

@wyattxhim Yeah I believe that.

[@bwa_8]

@@wyattxhim Acting like a story like Finn's is the same thing as those monster who **** a 7 or 8yo is insane. Maybe there's something fishy in Finn's relationship, but it is disrespectful to the real children that are victims of those terrible things.

[@Scheater1337]

I mean, that is definitely a valid opinion to have, but also not objective criticism, right? I don't see an issue if it was fully consensual and he wasn't doing any manipulative or shady stuff with her either. Whether being with him was any good for her mental maturity - don't know and tbh don't care; as long as both are happy with their relationship, I don't see why we would need to bother even talking about it.

[@revilerred7440]

Screw you, poser cuck! Some of us like gr00’ming, bashings, and lynchings!

[@nquerosaber]

the dude's job was 1: talk negatively about many things he enjoys 2: read and respond to negative comments 3: livestreaming on twitch having to ignore live trolls 4: nostalgia is a negative feeling he was surrounded by negativity and stress and IIRC, he has diagnosed autism, so its probably even harder for him to deal with all the negativity

[@TheHumanDescensionist]

Then he's dumb going headfirst to the lions pit, the alt and mostly the metal community are not welcoming as so as he taught

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

Is it actually diagnosed? I know he talked about him thinking he has it, but I never saw anything about it being diagnosed.

[@PenixRecordz]

The most negative comments were just deleted, and not responded to. I would know, I left most of them.

[@extremetrollface]

why would autism make that situation any different? A: it wouldnt.

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

I used to be a fan. It was cool seeing an older guy embrace genres people would shame me and mock me online for enjoying like pop punk and nu metal and metalcore. However, I lost interest when he uploaded that video about Japanese music where he dismissed it as all being overrated garbage only enjoyed by anime fans. Not only that, but he shamed a band for making easycore and dressing “scene” in 2011 (when it was still very much a thing). Like dawg, what happened to all that “defend easycore” stuff? If they were an American band he’d be celebrating them and cracking lighthearted jokes. Plus that song is completely different from said band’s current sound and as fun as the song is, is not a good example of their music anyways. Even worse, when a Japanese female pop singer came up, he said the only reason people like the music is because they are attracted to the singer and have “yellow fever.” Which is hilarious since he married a Vietnamese woman who’s like 17 years younger than him and was in high school when he met her. It was so bad. That video was basically the opposite of everything that drew me to his channel, and the more I learned about him, the less I liked.

[@MR_FIAT]

glad im not the only one who noticed his blatant bias for america, if its not american its not real/legit in his eyes. he even made a whole video just shitting over europe like that the fuck dude.

[@Iscoileachme]

Yeah, same, and he would always make fun of everyone's accents. I'll admit he did it as a joke mostly, but too much of a good thing becomes something else. Like, he started to look unironically chauvinist in my eyes, which is very funny if we remember that his _main_ criticism of BM was that there are some nazi bands in the scene.

[@Iscoileachme]

​@@MR_FIATwell, at least Vietnamese teens seem legit to him😂 I'll admit I kinda hate the whole girlfriend argument but it all seems to fit together in a bizarre way.

[@EggTamago7]

​@@Iscoileachme He did it "as a joke" insofar as any edge-lord says outrageous shit he knows will piss people off - he means every word but doesn't want to get called out.

[@TraceVandal]

Finn: I think this next artists is the future of rock and roll. *Plays the worst mumble rap you've ever heard in your life.

[@joshuaperez441]

I wanted to add that in some of his videos (I believe it was the Hair Metal era of Music and the popularity of certain bands) he'd always bring up how "young, teenage girls" pick and choose what goes to the mainstream to get popular and what doesn't He would always harp on that part in particular for some of his videos and I always thought it was just weird

[@CyTolliver]

It’s true though

[@RiggedandReady]

He's not entirely wrong on that.

[@joshuaperez441]

@@RiggedandReady he's not wrong on it, but it's they way that he talks about it that it makes it a little weird. It was to the point of almost obsession when he brought it up that makes it feel really weird

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

@@joshuaperez441makes it worse when you see that he met his wife when she was in high school

[@hellaradusername]

I'm blanking on his name but the longhaired Boomer metal advice guy says the same thing, just not in a creepy way. Like if you have a charismatic frontman that girls like that'll generally help your band.

[@NickyDiamond44]

Finn’s smug energy is off putting and I’ve always gotten a shady vibe from him. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but I consider myself a good judge of character and I was absolutely right about this clown from the jump.

[@EvilRabbit9590]

And he's so bitter. He starts shit, gets called for it, and then gets surprised that he got called out for it.

[@aloha1683]

I was around in the mid 90s early 2000s DIY HC scene and my god I remember coming across 100s of Finn personality types. It’s a thing where the music and the scene itself bred a certain behavior

[@xenos_n.]

It's amazing how much he disrespected the scene and people he named his channel after. He thought first wave punk and 80s metal sucked, anything older and not super hard, like bro wtaf.

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

Same. Im younger but Ive met guys who have the same demeanor and you wonder where they get this inflated ego from

[@WuwuWuwuTV]

@@xenos_n. Some 80s metal does suck.

[@xenos_n.]

@WuwuWuwuTV some of all music sucks

[@WuwuWuwuTV]

@@xenos_n. Exactly.

[@happysunshinemedia7092]

I think he had good intentions in the beginning. later simultaneously realized the money prospects involved, getting sucked into "click bait" stuff, realizing metrics and what gets clicks, while also growing tired of the fanbase he attracted, gatekeepers, and he was a bit of a troll. I think he had some valuable additions and takes, and he was humble enough to change his opinions on things. but he was also a bit of a troll (light hearted) and would hock terrible new rap or really cruddy metalcore/emo stuff sometimes. I dunno, i dont hate him. I think a lot of his channel was motivated by nostalgia while also evolving past the hardcore kid fan. Truthfully i would quit youtube if i was him too...his public image is so baked into his content that i think it would be impossible to change it now if he wanted to steer the direction of MBA. No comment on his wife, never heard this info before.

[@dlc435]

On the one hand, I get it: Finn is more of a marketing guy that happened to work within the music industry. He was a hardcore scene guy in the early 90s but probably grew out of it. He’s far more business brain than creative brain. On the other hand, when you were in a creative/music content space and make a comment like “I don’t like music. I just did it for financial goals”, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that’s impossible to get out

[@thetruemusichead]

He had some absolute braindead takes on hardcore. In fact, when he talked about hardcore was when I knew he was full of bs.

[@dlc435]

@ I’m not an expert on hardcore at all, so I can’t speak of his knowledge on the topic or not.

[@FuckFistingAss7osuFF7osu]

@@thetruemusichead i actually never heard him talk about hardcore

[@andrewz4105]

His videos were boring as birdshit and he had the most insufferable voice, I don't see any of the appeal other than perhaps people who wanted to have their favorite band 'analyzed' and vindicated

[@monstermess]

i remember when he talked about hating post-punk 😭

[@chrisryan2107]

yeah also said he hate Immolation and Incantation cause every Death Metal nowadays sounds the same

[@maleexile9053]

I do to

[@matthewstroble2602]

The post-punk takes made me realize he's a complete idiot.

[@quack2thesequel]

post punk sucks

[@eliasmsv3156]

@@quack2thesequel Nuh uh

[@ChadAV69]

The fact that this guy painted himself as a scene vet yet apparently doesn’t care about music is shocking

[@rasputin7095]

I have seen a number of KZbin videos discussing this situation and I feel like yours is the most concise. It never made sense to me why he would say that he doesn't care about the music since he clearly did at some point. Maybe it's supposed to be an advertisement for his potential new marketing clients to show that "they too can be complete frauds and misrepresent themselves and fool everyone" if they hire him to teach them how to do it, since he got away with it for so long himself. Otherwise none of this makes sense. If he just quietly left he could still be getting revenue from the videos. And how did he achieve his financial goals? Was he a multi-millionaire from making these videos, so he never has to work again? Unlikely.

[@putridabomination]

The best video and news I've heard this year holy cow

[@UtubeH8tr]

Punk rock died the moment punk rock sang for the very people they were singing against. Irony kills alot of talent.

[@princessprog]

i served him coffee at my old job once. i didn't know who he was at the time, only that i recognized his face from somewhere. he was wearing an Emmure shirt and i said "oh, Emmure, i used to listen to that band" because i did like 10 years prior. i think he thought i was being rude or something because he didn't tip and turned his back to me after that lol every other metalhead i've ever met would have wanted to have a discussion about the band they're repping but he just came across as a dick

[@Highrollinhunter]

Finn McKenty is like the Keemstar of music youtube he was only in it for the money

[@mangogoat4691]

He had allot to say in the beginning and had good advice, but then it got repetitive

[@DontBeAHeroBuddy]

Finn should have done videos about Boogie and Ralph

[@spanishginger]

What's the problem with making money? Not everything had to be an autistic passion project

[@tomthorsett1433]

Your channel is the anti Punk Rock MBA Wyatt. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@8523wsxc]

"They're doing what to CEOs? ...maybe not draw too much attention to me."

[@jdcapone1487]

Being a metalhead who enjoys something out of every sub-genre, that guy’s take on black metal really pissed me off. I completely agree with most of your points, especially on how he dresses. In most of his videos he came off as an arrogant snob, but seemed like an airhead at the same time. Good riddance to him. You on the other hand, know what you’re talking about and can differentiate an opinion and fact. I love your videos!

[@PsychicRat94]

He was clueless about metal as a whole tbh, like the video he did on stoner doom where he dismissed an entire subgenre as "drugs are bad".

[@Galefrie-v4x]

I remember as a teenager reading Stuff You Will Hate, (Finn's blog before he came to youtube and rebranded as Punk Rock MBA,) and at the time, I remember liking that this seemed to be the only place where things like scene music and deathcore and pop punk was being defended. It was cool that this alternative guy was talking about pop music and taught me that it's cool to like both. He would recommend lesser known bands in that scene and I really do think that he still enjoyed music But now I look back on it, he must of been in his mid/late twenties at the time so I can only imagine him being that one creepy guy at the Chunk No Captain Chunk show or something surrounded by 15 year olds and it gives me the shivers

[@Ramonatho]

CNCC having only 15 year old fans is so funny to me like if I thought I was tough in my band, and then literally only kids show up, I would quit the band then and there

[@humanskin993]

objective criticism requires research and having some kind of objective basis to back up an opinion (i.e., two bands sound the same because they both exclusively use dyads and the Harmonic Minor scale in the majority of their riffs). Finn feels more like he just wanted to be provocateur more than an actual critic. seems like he got one controversial video, then just kept repeating that formula. hearing about his creepy behaviour isn't funny to me. was never a fan but it's just dark territory to hear about him threading on. hopefully he doesn't return.

[@CaH6633]

Finn McKenty actually kind of makes me resent the fact that I ever even had a hardcore phase(especially since he's largely responsible for it)

[@zachabel805]

Saw now what Anthony Fantano had to say about the Punk Rock MBA situation (...is crazy) and had to go back to this video to say that this is a very mature and cirurgical takedown of Finn Mckenty's entire career. With Fantano, it felt like he was trying too hard to cope his through the commentary bc he met him irl and was tryin to not hurt his feelings too much and didnt address his past controversies, its funny cuz he went harder onna guy like Rick Beato compared to a borderline ch!ld pr3dator

[@GemsOnVHS]

i sent him a message one time to tell him i liked his channel, and would love to have a cup of coffee/chat as a fellow youtuber. he responded with his price for consultation lmao

[@wyattxhim]

Lmao what a tool

[@madrox231]

The way he dresses?! Come on dude it’s 2024, people dress way more casually than they ever did before. I’m 36 and wear jeans and band shirts when I’m not at work in the office. Should I not do that? A lot of the other criticism I totally get, but this is some weird Protestant type shit Man this was a good video allll the way up until the end. I don’t care about either of their politics, and I don’t care about how they dress. No one should none of our business. Even calling her a bitch literally right after saying she was groomed. Jesus Christ man 🤦‍♂️

[@YHg7PRQu]

I agree with you on the clothing thing, I'm almost 36 like you and I still wear band shirts, I play in two local punk/hc bands, having fun playing with friends, nothing wrong about that. If you're into this music since your teens, it was never a phase, it's just life

[@aader4693]

Totally agree on the dress thing. Such as shame as it was a really good video (I agreed on all points) up to that point. It came across as very shallow and immature. I expect better of this channel.

[@xkidmidnightx]

The guy that made this video is a fat Redditor that expects 40 year olds to be so buckbroken that they all dress like accountants 24/7

[@Tw0point0h]

Time stamp please?

[@HattieJosh]

The biggest thing that killed Punk Rock MBA is the fact that he backed views of Ronnie Radke's, which isn't punk at all. You can't claim to follow a lifestyle then actively go against it

[@iamcase1245]

He talks about the 90s and 2000s a lot, but if you notice he's obsessed with early 2000s pop-punk specifically and he always makes jabs about young girls at warped tour. When he talks about emo he talks about young girls. When he talks about the most predatory scene of the 2010s (scene), he downplays the sex crimes. But he claims every other genre of music is full of "misogynists and incels". But not warped tour ......could it be because he was part of the early 2000s groomer fest inside of pop punk?

[@jasontodd6605]

Finn used to get really upset whenever you would point out he wasn’t wearing a hat lol his wife posted a statement to not comment on it and it created a Streisand effect

[@Ghoulstille]

I don't think he's worth thinking about at all and with this video it'll be the final time that I do.

[@corm1000]

He seemed like a nice guy at first, then he got mean spirited.

[@Voidx_vi]

He was in it for the money but not solely. You do have to care about the music scene and perspectives to make it in. He did care, he just prioritized money and dipped.

[@MondoFoo666]

What a title lol

[@mightykaiser8058]

the written equivalent of spiking the football in the endzone haha gg wyatt

[@TastySnackies]

I may be in the minority, but his snobbiness and condescension were why I liked him. He didn't paint himself as being altruistic or making content "for the people", and he legitimately felt more real than 95% of other content creators. However, I felt like he would have been better off not telling people he wanted to leave. He should have just bailed, and maybe made one final send-off FU to the industry. The way he left, though, has stained my memory of enjoying his content. Regardless, his attitudes and views towards rock & metal declining are absolutely true, and I don't understand how many other of his contemporaries are able to stand making content for genres that have been stagnant for 15 years.

[@VoidDWG]

I've been waiting for a solid minute for this one.

[@TheHumanDescensionist]

This year truly has been one of the best. Bands are returning And this guy is gone What a great way to end 2024

[@selfaware7617]

It was no secret why haters watched him. They wanted to see how bad the take would be every week

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

Finns logic: i was a turbo virgin listening to Havohej when you were on NOFX. Now i have a white belt in bjj, and i listen to my teenage grilfriends music, and i'm super cool. Trust me.

[@7ChaosBlack]

*"This is not the language of someone that has any interest in music as art, in music as a community, an identity, an escape from the crushing demands of capitalism. This is not even the language of a marginally interested journalist. No, for him music is capitalism. A neat little product you can use to improve your brand. It’s the language of a sales guru."* ~ An extract on Punk Rock MBA off of an article on the Hate Meditations website

[@crystalracing4794]

Yep bang on the money

[@Dayglodaydreams]

And he called people pedos all the time.

[@rustyshaaaakleford]

Best trilogy I've seen since lord of the rings

[@CapeKidJosh]

It would have been better if he kept prolonging the ending, every ending point could be started by a new point xD

[@musicisajourney]

I was thinking I don't care about his personal life, but your words as a future father are something I have to start being wary of soon. My daughter is almost 14. I'm totally in agreement with you on chasing off any guys who are mature adults after my daughter.

[@user-bf6gz8ej4o]

Can you find the music of the LP in the background (elma/ealma) on youtube or on bandcamp? I can't find anything about the band online but the cover art looks so interesting

[@x8jason8x]

I'll be the first to admit the age gap isn't _normally_ a concern. I personally am with a woman 12 years my junior. The issue with Finn is all timing, like he was hunting her. I met my wife because I was a wingman for a homie, and met her on a double date. I was 32, she was 20. I was telling him all along not to count on having a permanent relationship with the chick because 20 year olds were too immature lol... I hardcore wound up eating those words because we're still together a little over 13 years later. Maybe people look at it like we're weird... I don't know, or care. I know that I don't, and never try to shape who she is, if anything, she calmed me down, massively, and made me focus on my music, when I was on the verge of quitting for good. Nothing is one size fits all... but Finn looks a lot like a pred from here, too.

[@coltennial9513]

A few years ago I found you and Finn's youtube channel (his stream channel) and both of you showed me music that broadened my taste and I am so grateful to have these new bands/genres I love. Finn really did show some passion for stuff, even after that terrible Black Metal video he had a kick ass stream where he talked about some Dada art and Black Metal that he enjoyed. However there is a reason that I stopped watching him a while back and when he quit KZbin it left a bad taste in my mouth. As someone who watched a lot of his personal shit for a long time these excuses that he was just doing it for money, or there is nothing to talk about does not hold up. He would get heated in comments over minor BS and say things like "I just can't help but think about the comments."

[@johndutkiewicz9401]

that's the video i was trying to link thank you

[@dynamicdingus]

He's just a hardcore kid that never grew up

[@EvilRabbit9590]

And he's always just so angry and bitter.

[@jackaweplushpro]

he's not a punk rock fan, but he sure is a huge punk

[@archonjaeger]

His video on Japanese metal said everything you need to know about him

[@azure8696]

Linkin Park is doing better than ever, knocked loose on Jimmy Kimmel, and Gojira opening for the Olympics? I'd say he bailed out at Rocks biggest comeback in damn near 40yrs.....

[@noelwhite6650]

The idea of dating an 18 year old at 34 ?. No. Just no. I'm in my early 20s and i don't even feel that comfortable dating an 18 year old. Also... Sonic Youth and the fucking Lumineers sound the same ?!. That is quite possibly the most insane take i've heard in a real long time.

[@CapeKidJosh]

Kings of Leon and Arctic Monkeys sound the same to me, lol.

[@awarewolves1712]

He always reminded me of that kid in high school who drove the car and rocked the hat and was sponsored by nike

[@ignacioinder]

The Punk MBA guy was just a bully in disguise. Clearly showing the little bit too much anger and biased opinion when posted abput things he did not liked and went back to clear immature arguments....meaning he always "strive" to give "professional" opinions about X music opinion. As said..... posting controversial stuff and then goes to a depression downward spiral because the comments came to bite his head back.

[@Dystopia-s7y]

Finn “have a seat” Mckenty

[@Leavinsies]

The very fact he called himself punk anything, that turned me off from him completely. He wasn't punk at all.

[@codingtranquility]

It sickens me (if true) that he would potentially steal views/listens and thus money from artists, for his own personal gain. He also clearly read a lot of other critics work, and blindly praised things that aren't even necessarily "good" or widely listened to, but are critically acclaimed.

[@davej.meister5421]

He dissed extremely talented iconic rock bands like Deep Purple and Dream Theater. He hated prog. Then he continues to push his sucky pop-punk drivel. And he got way too political. He made more enemies than he did friends.

[@EvilRabbit9590]

Maybe if Finn had a funnier "kiss my ass" attitude like Seth Putman or Kid Rock. I could laugh more, but he felt like a boring "nice guy".

[@davej.meister5421]

@@EvilRabbit9590 Never cared too much for the guy. Pop-punk was, is and always will be 100% pure garbage. Classic rock ftw!!

[@Lycanthropy54or]

Dude ain’t punk rock if he did it for the money

[@ianbarrett4166]

Who said he was punk rock

[@chiefchimp2789]

I thought he had really juvenile ass taste in music.

[@schuldinerobscura]

Finn MCunty

[@SkarletOctaviaMUSIC]

Lmao

[@chrisswan1170]

This is how I've always referred to him lol

[@schillinger7814]

Yup, much better.

[@djinnxx7050]

I like how it offers a translation, and it remains exactly the same.

[@dlc435]

“Translate to English” lmao

[@xenos_n.]

Speaking of Finn not wanting to grow up, he's always calling people boomers and shit when he's literally older than me, a 40 year old elder millennial. He's god damn Gen-X ffs and is always acting like he's hip and cool when he absolutely isn't. Anyways, the guy always sucked and had TRASH opinions, I'm glad he's gone.

[@Beckonor]

I think he became bitter when he realize that his videos on new bands/music were getting low views. He was more passionate about newer bands doing innovative things like the trap metal bands. He wanted to explore more of that because it was fresh but he knew it wasn't financially worth it because no one would watch it. So he was stuck making 90s nu metal flashback videos because those subjects are where he made the most money from. It burned him out and made him bitter with metal/rock fans not wanting to embrace new things and staying stubborn in their tastes of music.

[@ThyFleshConsumed]

Bad example, trap metal stinks.

[@Illumirage]

It would help if the new music was actually good...

[@Decrapitate]

I didn’t realize how much of an age gap they had. Bartending for years I realize what that really looks like, it’s a big stretch even imagining a 21 yo in a bar with a 34yo. Sure on the internet you can talk about a few things with someone who’s way younger, but a conversation becomes difficult quickly in real life over things that aren’t completely surface level. That’s a huge gap in real life. He definitely frustrated me and I stopped watching his stuff because of all the antagonistic/narrow minded takes he presented as fact. Living in the same general area as him, I was always puzzled by his quickness to shit on others. In the hardcore/metal scene here people aren’t really like that. He seems like a dude that never really went outside and definitely wasn’t a person that had friends or people his age he interacted with regularly.

[@djinnxx7050]

I'm reminded of a particular fast show sketch of middle aged guys in a bar who take an interest in a 20 something dancer. I won't ruin the joke for you, it's a classic. You'll find it easy enough I believe.

[@dmack2780]

Ah. Now all the Libertarian takes make sense now.

[@isaacmontoya9636]

I have no ill will towards the man, I know the man loves music and maybe he meant something else whatever. His videos were fun and relatable, it was fun now I’m moving on and not gonna take a pause in my life just because we lost another KZbinr. Hope the man finds happiness Edit: and I agree not all of his opinions are relevant, especially on Sonic Youth or whatever

[@AxetiaTheCelticHuntress]

Never cared for the fact he misrepresented Under and Over It from 5FDP's message in the song for content, showing that he actually didn't live the music he talks about. "A song about being a punk" and then takes one line out of context for the broader topic. It was after that video I lost respect for him, because I knew he didn't actually listen to the message in music and just wanted to make a quick buck from KZbin adsense and later Patreon. And the fact this is coming to light about his wife and their origins, I now need to clear my thoughts, so I don't manic spiral down wanting to break rules of The Geneva Convention until I get over how disgusted I am by it. Thank you for making this video. It needed to be made and I respect you for making it.

[@benwebb4424]

Something else worth noting is that there is a level of projection happening too throughout his videos if you go back and watch. Anytime a band with a young female frontwoman would get popular he would comment on how sketchy their fans seem. As if people can't just like music.

[@LichCrypt]

When it comes to age gap relationships I've always said there's two types of couples: A) Two people met through innocent means and fell in love DESPITE the gap ; B) The older person targeted the younger one BECAUSE OF the age gap and would probably go lower if he could. In my opinion, Finn's on the later group.

[@fredarsenault8987]

He sucked so bad he even got dissed in a Spazz tune

[@hihelpme-p4m]

which spazz song lollll

[@TheMoogleMaster]

I know them, but I forgot which song it was.

[@eslwgpg1226]

I would like to hear this song

[@davidcrawford8583]

He didn't get dissed. He wrote to the band when he was young and they did a song where it had something about his Mum.

[@fredarsenault8987]

@@eslwgpg1226 Spazz/Gob split 5" : - Finn's Mom Yodeling In The Bathtub - Dorsal Finn - Huckleberry Finn - Finn Pickins - Rin Tin Finn - And You Thought We Were Kidding