X-Men: Dark Phoenix - Nostalgia Critic

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[@coolnerdlll6053]

My bottom five are Origins, Origins, Origins, Origins and Origins.

[@jerricablackcat4303]

Can you review Batman Beyond?

[@deshawnedwards6412]

Can you do a month reviewing all five of the Ice Age Movies?

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

The Wolverine.

[@googamp32]

All you have left to review is Pryde Of The X-Men!

[@kaijukid1443]

Its funny how in X-Men Apocalypse, Mystique said the students aren't children anymore and that they must fight. And here, she says that they are kids and Charles is risking them for his own ego. Talented Hollywood writers, ladies and gentlemen.

[@ShadowSonic2]

They were trying to force some new internal conflict by making it seem like Xavier has become too full of himself. But the problem is that nothing he does indicates this. So it comes off as forced and empty. Like, they were trying for a Steve Rogers vs Tony Stark thing with Mystique as Steve and Xavier as Stark. It doesn't work without proper characterization and buildup.

[@ChildOfChaos07]

OMG! Yes! Like wtf?!

[@willjace789]

If the talent you're referring to is being terrible, then they have proved themselves to be true masters.

[@samflood5631]

And let’s not forget that classic line, “the women have been doing a lot more than the men, so why don’t you change the name to X-Women”

[@uglyguy2519]

This whole movie is basically characters doing something super ill-advised until something else happens and they do a 180°. Charles is willing to send the team to space in a jet that never went to space before, and have the woman he took in and raised since she was a child risk exposing herself to alien energy, all to score points with the president and the public, which is completely out of character for him. Then, AFTER Jean has a meltdown that endangered lots of young mutants at the party it occurs to him that he should pay more attention to her and whatever the alien energy was about than to fancy ceremonies with politicians. The president trusts Charles and the X-Men enough to ask them to rescue a space shuttle in orbit, and even has a direct line to call them, but one X-man incident is enough for him to cut down all communications and send Mutant Control after them. YOU DON'T ASK PEOPLE YOU TRUST THAT LITTLE TO HELP YOU WITH NASA STUFF. Beast and Magneto are out for Jean's blood after she killed Mistique, even though she was always evidently more powerful than them (remember: she's the one who finished off Apocalypse a decade earlier) and was even more powerful and unstable now with the Phoenix force. But Charles telling them he's sorry and making a speech (something they mocked before, like the video covered) is enough to convince them to to join forces with the X-Men and protect her from super strong aliens, including Vuk, who was unbeatable with part of the Phoenix force at the time and made it very clear that she didn't wish to fight them, only get Jean.

[@АнастасияАгаркина-й3э]

Quicksilver didn’t do his cool slow mo run with another cool song. End of review.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

WORST FILM EVER!

[@claymathewselevator8121]

Evan Peters was better in WandaVision

[@АнастасияАгаркина-й3э]

@@claymathewselevator8121 true) Even though he wasn’t real Quicksilver there, he was still amazing)

[@RockerMicke1]

@@claymathewselevator8121 oh I’m sorry we mean “Ralph Boner” this is why I hate it’s finale

[@tykamen5588]

I mean it's kind of cool just not as cool as the last two quicksilver scenes from last two the movies

[@blackhalo317]

24:00 Now I’m obsessed with the idea that Charles and Erik play chess with their own crazy rules because they don’t actually know how to play.

[@maikenzupancicdanko9377]

That would be so cute 😭

[@wesleyoldham4222]

Magneto: "In chess, the pawns go first." Pyro: "Actually, sir, the knights can also go first." Magneto: "What? This changes everything! Does Charles know this?"

[@blackhalo317]

@@wesleyoldham4222 😂 Now see, I was thinking more of the lines of this: Charles: “Erik, we’ve talked about this. Your pawns cannot be humans while the other pieces are mutants.” Erik: “But humans are lesser than mutants and thus disposable?” Charles: “Erik, your other pieces can’t actually have powers. That’s ridiculous.” Erik: “Okay, my way is ridiculous, but yours isn’t? You have mutant AND human pieces working together on the same side! Willingly! I’d say that’s unbelievable.” Charles: “Hey, just because I’m winning doesn’t mean you get to hurt my feelings. 😢”

[@wesleyoldham4222]

@@blackhalo317 Charles: "Let's compromise. The pawns can be humans, but if they reach the other side of the board they become mutants."

[@dragon1130]

@@wesleyoldham4222 Erik: *slams his fists on the table* are you insane? How does that make any sense. Charles: Gama radiation Erik: ...*sits back down* you win this round Charles.

[@MabusParodies2nd]

"The women are always saving the men around here" Quicksilver: Am I a joke to you?

[@ethansolorzano5989]

nightcrawler as well

[@jabuchananable]

That moment felt like pandering to the Me Too Movement than making narrative sense

[@steve6997]

@@jabuchananable there is nothing wrong with the movement calling out men who take advantage of women but the scene was stupid

[@kaldurskipper6821]

Yes! He literally saved a mansion full of people. That's just being forgetful and foolish

[@motor4X4kombat]

says the women who almost cause the machine apocalipse with the assassination of bolivar trask.

[@benm5970]

I really hate how Jean Grey’s character has just become permanently tethered to the Dark Phoenix, like every single time they make an X-Men movie with a new cast whenever they show the new Jean they always gotta drop some hints at the Dark Phoenix because apparently that’s all the Jean Grey character is anymore

[@TelperionMt]

Where's my Madelyne Pryor storyline?

[@RedYoshi-ct1wx]

I have the same problem with Batman when it comes to the Comics and Movies after the Dark Knight trying hard to emulate the Tone of the Dark Knight Returns and Killing Joke.

[@saidi7975]

Yeah, I am fan of the Simonson's or Lobdell-Nicieza Jean Grey... And that version ditched the Phoenix BS...

[@milkiassamuel780]

I do hope that when we do eventually see the X-men in the MCU, I at least hope they flesh out Jean's character to be more nuanced, and less affiliated with the Phoenix Force or randomly being tortured her entire life. Although I don't expect her to be a huge character, I would rather prefer to just see her own character, and just like Doug said: "have her be the emotional centre of the group" and just interesting enough to get our investment, for the long term repercussions awaiting her character. Hopefully something similar to how Jean Grey was represented on the 90's X-men Animated Series, or X-men: Evolution (2003).

[@ScooterinAB]

That kind of is all she is. Even in the comics, the character isn't terribly interesting anymore.

[@RedHeadKevin]

"Jean is dead...we have to go to her funeral." "Again?" "What?" "What?"

[@chrisdaughen5257]

But-but Days of Future Past's ending had her alive as an adult!

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@chrisdaughen5257 Jean didn’t die. She transformed into the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix.

[@erainmartinez8175]

@@agentofchaos7456 how true

[@silverblade357]

*insert Batman's funeral speech from Robot Chicken*

[@RichTheFlop]

she didn't die, she evolved beyond humanity becoming one with the phoenix-

[@98953812]

13:52 I agree with you. That whole scene made me so angry; Xavier should have been freaking out at that scene, because they grew up together like siblings! Besides, shouldn't he, with his powers, be feeling her die along with any emotions in her mind? He should be shouting at everyone to try and help her and, to add more to his desperation, fall off of his wheelchair and crawling over to her. McAvoy was wasted on this like everyone else...

[@Lopez03Eduardo.]

My thoughts exactly at least have him holding his adopted sister in his arms in her last moments he touches her head showing us the audiences flashbacks of their time together, Charles feels what she's feeling as she is dying that breaks him and causes him to take out his emotions out on everyone by accidentally using his telepathic powers causing everyone to feel the pain something like Logan did almost killing everyone if he can't control his telepathic powers make it darker this can explain how it started connecting with Logan timeline it can make it a gut wrenching explains why Charles blames himself again for losing his sister and he failed again since he killed the x men accidentally making his death much more sadder in Logan

[@alchemystudiosink1894]

There was also the funeral scene too that was like what the fuck

[@agentofchaos7456]

There is an alternate ending where he grieves for Raven.

[@lenastorm6280]

This! Exactly! They were like siblings! They grew up together!

[@generalalduin9548]

Dude, him crawling over to save Mystique would’ve been amazing

[@wstine79]

Magneto: "You're always sorry, Charles. And there's always a speech. But nobody cares anymore." The X-Men fans' reactions to Simon Kinberg's apologies somehow made it into the script.

[@thomaspiccoli2931]

wstine79 would be excellent at Cinemasins

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@agentofchaos7456]

Honestly, the only difference between this movie and the comic is that the villains are different.

[@ericjanssen394]

Well, I don't think the fans were as intent on portraying the Professor as a deceptive toxic-male A-hole as the producers were... (You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger, and you DON'T retcon Professor Xavier into a jerk.)

[@Torlik11]

@@ericjanssen394 He always was a bit of a manipulative A-hole in the comic too. It may have been a bit too in-your-face in the movie but it was always a part of the character.

[@thekid3947]

I love Michael Fasbender's "Nobody cares" line. I've never seen a performance more genuine.

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

Michael Fassbender's back must've been in pain forever, because he carried this franchise. God damn, I want Kevin Feige to just cast him as the MCU's Magneto.

[@alim.9801]

@@N-GinAndTonicTM he really did, I so buy him as a younger version of the 00s Magento. He's such a good actor he makes it so easy to see his point of view on mutant affairs while still recognizing he doesn't go about things the right way all the time. Also the Nazi hunting scenes in First Class are some of the best scenes in any X Men movie imo

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

​@@N-GinAndTonicTMok

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Ok

[@firstlast-FcK-YT]

"The women are always the ones saving the men around here" LITERALLY 45 seconds after being saved by the X-{MAN} night crawler

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, in the last 2 movies, Quicksilver saved everyone and didn't she also the one who motivated the X-Men in Apocalypse?

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@margarethmichelina5146 It was also Logan who had to save the future from the Sentinels, after Mystique ruined everything by killing Trask.

[@alibrennan5977]

Because woke Hollywood

[@firenze6478]

Feminist snob writers

[@mysticmind4563]

Xavier could've easily said, "since when?" and the arguement would've ended there.

[@bunnywithakeyboard7628]

7:05 “She just exists, and we’re supposed to feel bad for her because everybody else feels bad for her.” This is so extremely common nowadays in both movies and shows.

[@gamemediafan1714]

Especially in those "female empowerment" movies.

[@bunnywithakeyboard7628]

@@gamemediafan1714 Message to Hollywood: if the T-800 goes through more character development in Terminator 2 than your protagonist in their movie, you’re doing it wrong.

[@shawklan27]

True

[@sterling7]

Characters played by Sophie Turner, in a nutshell...

[@joeyjerry1586]

@@bunnywithakeyboard7628, to be fair, that’s a really hard bar to cross and he is technically the main character

[@mysticanimation22]

Production level increase 10 fold

[@EggBoi_8]

The chart says!

[@jaygooese4242]

Has anyone watch Gremlins 2 the new batch

[@steve6997]

It looks shit how does it look good

[@TheVidman90]

Its demo reel

[@NeroLeMorte]

It's on the level of to boldly flee i guess wouldn't say it's an increase more a return to form.

[@ericjanssen394]

It's a good thing "Logan" was the perfect finale to Fox's X-verse, because "the Jean Grey School for the Gifted" would have killed it on the spot.

[@TheJadedJames]

Honestly, I feel like the best way to watch this franchise is First Class, X1, X2, and then end with Days of Future Past if you want a happy ending or Logan if you are okay with a downer .... literally just ignore all the other movies

[@rjcorreia3788]

@@TheJadedJames what about last stand, sure comparing it to all the other movies you listed it's weaker, but it shouldn't be ignored for it has alot of good things in it, and it shouldn't be in the same category as all the other shitty x men films like x men origins wolverine

[@neurohack9038]

@@rjcorreia3788 Last Stand was the absolute worst. It should be forgotten from the timeline completely.

[@thefirstbourne149]

@@neurohack9038 I don’t think so completely, but come on…really? We’re really just gonna do this “Last Stand wasn’t so bad” argument? It kinda doesn’t really matter what that film did anymore or even the whole original trilogy did surprisingly after all of this.

[@ramblinman07]

I'm surprised there was no reaction to Cyclops' F bomb. They should have told a different story. As soon as I saw that Jean already had the Phoenix in Apocalypse I groaned. Then I saw the trailer for this and was rolling on the floor laughing and rolling my eyes.

[@petermj1098]

I argue Xavier’s death by Jean in the last Stand was actually well done. Not only cause she intentionally did it her own mad state but everyone’s reaction to his death and the build up to it was well acted.

[@eraser2592]

Same it’s well acted, sure the way the director portrayed the phoenix force was bad but yeah the emotional impact in the last stand was good

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@eraser2592 What emotional impact? The dude didn’t die.

[@agentofchaos7456]

What death? The dude was shown to be alive at the end of the movie.

[@armandotorres8962]

Plus we actually got to know Xavier beforehand so it helped

[@Th3_HP]

I feel like the bigger problem with adaptations is just that they're focusing on the wrong thing. The thing that made the phoenix saga interesting (for me at least) wasn't the Alien subplots or the power itself, it was how this sudden change affected the characters I cared about. I actually think it would be better to scrap those ideas and have the phoenix be like another personality or something, still, the same powers, just not afraid to use them to their fullest. In doing this you keep the emotional centre more grounded with how it affects the rest of the characters, whilst still being engaging. The goal with the phoenix shouldn't be to save the world from Jean or something that grand, the stakes should be far more personal like save Jean from the phoenix. I'm not going to pretend I know what I'm talking about. these are just my thoughts.

[@ScooterinAB]

I have to partially disagree. The problem is that none of the attempts to do this storyline established the storyline. It's like the first few episodes of Power Rangers; it just gets right to the action when the original was a slowburn. The Dark Phoenix worked in the comics because people cared about Jean and (as you stated) the other characters affected. But the movies never established Jean as even a two dimensional character let alone one the audiences would care about. To have any chance of working, this needed to be a decades long setup like with the Avengers.

[@jacob4920]

How about we never see The Phoenix again? Bitch has had two movies, and both were awful. Plenty of other X-Men stories that Hollywood could be working on. Let's focus on those.

[@Nicholas_Steel]

@@ScooterinAB iirc the Dark Pheonix also worked well in the original (very good quality) cartoon

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@ScooterinAB As I said in a few other posts, this is an origin story about showing how Jean becomes Phoenix and she isn’t even Phoenix until at the end of the movie. The sequel was meant to show the Phoenix in action, hence why Jean says at the end: “This is not the end of me... or the X-Men. It's a new beginning.“ Patrick Stewart is apparently going to appear in the next Doctor Strange movie as Xavier.

[@Kartissa]

*"I actually think it would be better to scrap those ideas and have the phoenix be like another personality or something, still, the same powers, just not afraid to use them to their fullest."* They already did that. it was X3.

[@takeshikujo2909]

And thus we finish this awkward, nonsensical timeline of events not with a blaze of glory, but with a puff of embers. X-Men truly did deserve better.

[@RockerMicke1]

Nope now we have to wait till eternals flop until we get them back

[@EnsignRedSquad]

Especially considering XMen First Class and Days of Future Past were such amazing films.

[@tykamen5588]

You know who else deserve better Fantastic Four

[@alexman378]

Logan is my official ending for this whole story, makes the franchise stand out as the only true superhero tragedy.

[@fangal12]

@@alexman378 same I was literally just about to write the same thing before I saw your comment. It was the perfect, heartbreaking but hopeful finale

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

When quicksilver was more memorable in Wandavision than this.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

Anyone's more memorable than this!

[@claymathewselevator8121]

Ralph Bohner

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

@@claymathewselevator8121 exactly. He was more memorable as a boner joke

[@NoSuRReNDeR001]

wait...people watched Wandavision?

[@adamf1980]

His name.....was......Bohner!

[@matthewjarek3026]

This movie was cursed from the start. It was a follow up to Apocalypse, it was a remake that wasn't a remake, an adaptation that wasn't an adaptation, Bryan Singer was removed because of all the allegations, the movie pretty much got cancelled after production, got uncancelled after the Disney/Fox merger, and they had to reshoot a lot of it before release. Makes you wonder why they even bothered.

[@gaelofariandel6747]

Mr Crabs: "Money"

[@MidnightToker24]

For the wild women, the wild women and the rippin n the tearin 😎

[@0816M3RC]

Are you suggesting that pederast should have been allowed to direct the movie?

[@jlev1028]

@@0816M3RC LinkedIn he said those are allegations. There's no evidence Singer sexually assaulted anyone, let alone a juvenile. Don't drink the #MeToo Kool-Aid.

[@ScooterinAB]

@@0816M3RC I don't think that's at all what they are saying. When you have this many production problems, the end result is going to be a failure. Singer being removed is one of those production problems. Well meaning or not, appropriate or not, the removal of someone in charge of a movie is usually going to mean the death of it. I think what they're saying is that after so many problems, Fox should have just walked away and accepted that the movie wasn't going to be made at that time.

[@revelryinthedark]

Okay two things that really kind of bothers me about this one, the first the fact both Nightcrawler and Mystique look so close in age when she is his mom. They looks like they could be siblings instead of mother and son. I love Nightcrawler, he was my favorite in the cartoons and I love his look here (mostly because he looks kind of like Rin from Blue Exorcist) but I just feel like it's weird knowing that these two are supposed to be related but they aren't in the movie. Second: I love how Professor X and everyone honored Jean by renaming the school after her, but Mystique just got a funeral and that was it. You'd think she would've gotten a statue or a plaque, or something seeing how Professor X lost his sister. Even Beast was outraged by her death but she doesn't a 'in memory of' item (minus the grave). Those things just always kind of just irked me.

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

A Dark Phoenix movie to represent the story properly would take an Infinity War/Endgame levels of production and story building. It is that important. These movies just butchered any impact it actually deserves to have.

[@agentofchaos7456]

This movie is about the origin of the Phoenix, not an adaptation of the saga.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@agentofchaos7456 The real problem is that the Phoenix Saga itself isn't that memorable or groundbreaking anymore. Wandavision and Umbrella Academy took the basic story and did it right.

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@ShadowSonic2 Wandavision is actually the polar of the Dark Phoenix Saga.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@agentofchaos7456 Polar Opposite? What do you mean?

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@ShadowSonic2 The Dark Phoenix Saga is about Jean having a descend into madness arc. While WandaVision is about Wanda having a recovery arc. Those arcs are polar opposite.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

X-Men: Evolution is the only time Jean Grey was an important character and not a punchline in any of these movies/tv shows.

[@RagamuffinBabyDoll]

That show was the reason why I cared about Jean Grey as a character. She was kind, cool and a good friend you wanted to have

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

I'm just glad that version of Jean uses her telepathic powers without fainting.

[@jbcatz5]

It’s a great show

[@titanguy7316]

She was okay in X2, but they didn't do her right in Last Stand.

[@jbcatz5]

Titanguy The number of characters done a disservice by that movie is too many. Cyclops got killed off early on, Professor X got killed off, Kitty was shoved into a love triangle etc

[@ComicalRealm]

Fun fact: X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019) is the first X-Men film to not feature Wolverine in any capacity due to Hugh Jackman (who had played the character since X-Men (2000)) retiring from the role in 2017.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

Was he in the first Deadpool? I haven't seen it.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

Good for Hugh at least he can say he wasn't in one of these meh films

[@YakkoWarnerTower]

Fun fact: every fun fact you make is very interesting, and exciting lol.

[@JackSparrowMinecraft]

Deadpool uses a magazine cutout of Hugh Jackman's face as a mask. So he's kinda in it but not directly

[@gaelofariandel6747]

@@koneheadcokehead4981 Except Origins.

[@kenguyii9108]

“Logan” is a much better finale compared to this 💩!

[@erainmartinez8175]

yep this sucks

[@fiskecahill7471]

Yeah. Shame this couldn't be the same quality.

[@798jeremy]

Well, there's pretty much like a pit so deep between both of these you just can't see the bottom of it, actually...😅

[@JP-re9xj]

People don’t realize that Dark Phoenix was in production when Disney bought Fox. It was never meant to be a finale.

[@The80sWolf_]

Logan is way more basic and predictable.

[@jinoratheairnomad9777]

“The women are always saving the men around here” Meanwhile Quicksilver is the only reason the X-Men aren’t dead yet.

[@agentofchaos7456]

Quicksilver didn’t the X-Men. Unless you’re referring to the previous movies.

[@jinoratheairnomad9777]

@@agentofchaos7456 I was

[@Omnipotentmonkey]

"blast the thruster, slow down the spin!" ... you're in SPACE... even if that thruster goes offline, you've already gained momentum and there's no forces like air pressure out there to stop you.

[@Retro_Red]

That's what I was like!

[@shinyninja8107]

The main thing that these X-Men reviews has made me realize is that X-Men Evolution is a better adaptation of X-Men than most of these movies.

[@VJK102]

Indeed It was a perfect adaptation Worthy of the name X-men!

[@jbcatz5]

And it introduced X-23, who did a Harley Quinn and got carried over into the comics.

[@meep9231]

Exactly! X men Evolution is pretty much the best adaptation in terms of the characters and development.

[@lordtrigon1733]

I loved Evolution especially Rogue and Nightcrawler. Also, Wolverine didn’t overshadow everyone.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

@@lordtrigon1733 And they didn't have the love-triangle between him, Jean, and Scott.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

BEFORE WATCHING THE REVIEW: Weirdly enough the scene i remember the most is the "Jean telepathically forces Xavier to walk", which honestly I liked it. 10:00 First of all, USING THE X-MEN THIS WAY WAS YOUR IDEA MYSTIQUE!!! 10:09 Charles reaction at that line Mystique said is just confusion as in "What did that had to do with the conversation?" Especially because, It was Nightcrawler and Cyclops who were carrying out the weight of the Mission alongside Jean 13:00 The worst part is, out of any villain who could stop Quicksilver from solving everything in minutes, would be Jean. Given She could telepathically stop him by shutting his brain off. And also, we could at least get a payoff of him meeting Magneto as a side plot

[@steve6997]

The movie sucked

[@agentofchaos7456]

Jean isn't really a villain though.

[@jessedellross3245]

It’s really saying something that after almost 30 years, X-men TAS STILL has the best interpretation of The Dark Phoenix saga.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

It's funny, X-Men Evolution, the early 2000s show teased the Phoenix Saga was gonna be season 4...until it got cancelled.

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

@@Tadicuslegion78 That's a shame.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

@@disneyvillainsfan1666 It is because the Jean Grey in that show had personality, flaws, wasn't a useless damsel who fainted every 5 seconds, no BS love triangles with Scott and Logan, very underrated show.

[@agentofchaos7456]

This isn’t meant to be an interpretation of the Dark Phoenix Saga though. It is a Phoenix origin story. Jean isn’t even Phoenix until at the very end.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@agentofchaos7456 Oh wow, really? Makes more sense when you look at it that way, but if so, *MAN* that distinction wasn't advertised very well.

[@robricloc5663]

I died at the “My cabbages” reference

[@aaronabbey2604]

The one that got me good was the Jetsons car sound effect for Magento floating over to Jean.

[@MovieFan1912]

I laughed at that too! That was a great running joke in Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[@thing1thing2themediamaniac43]

@@MovieFan1912 Yep

[@timothymorris157]

Which is also referenced in Nostalgia Critic’s review of The Happening. It cracks me up every time.

[@androidsenpai1462]

Better cabbages joke than in the new Netflix show.

[@russellheffner27]

Hyper:we finally found bills backstory The fan base: YOU BASTARDS

[@erainmartinez8175]

well shoot

[@johnathanholmes1297]

Where is bill?

[@paulieluppino1856]

-Go help Jimmy Olsen -Jubilee... -I don't care.... That line killed me XDXDXD

[@psychojoe4764]

During Ravens death Charles looks like Patricia pretending to be Mr. Glass.

[@ZoolGatekeeper]

I'd love to hear Jennifer Lawrence say the line "I'm so emotional right now.."(probably how she got the job).

[@wildcardproductions6010]

I understood that reference!

[@Igorcastrochucre]

"And by the way, women are always saving the men in here" This line is beat for beat Jailbreak's speech in the Emoji Movie. I cannot unhear it.

[@chocoberryvanillacake4297]

THAT'S WHAT I SAID WHEN I HEARD THAT LINE!

[@MovieFan1912]

Don’t remind me!

[@lenastorm6280]

Omg you‘re right! O.o

[@ryanelliott1907]

You actually remember that movie?

[@IrishMan441]

Who?

[@marcoludema8876]

The good news is that this movie gave us some good performances and two fantastic soundtrack albums. The bad news is that the rest of the movie still exists. In all seriousness, though, I don't think Dark Phoenix is that bad, I had some fun with it, but The Last Stand runs circles around it, both in storytelling and overall entertainment value.

[@agentofchaos7456]

I disagree about the storytelling. Jean in The Last Stand suddenly becomes evil for no real reason. That version of the Phoenix story instead pushes the ableist idea that mentally ill are inherently violent and dangerous. That goes against the entire point of the X-Men franchise.

[@klimmr]

23:14 As opposed to renaming it after Mystique who was literally there from the beginning; she even had a hand in giving them all superhero names.

[@kadosho02]

Maybe in an alternate universe this happens. But should have 🤦‍♂️

[@ComicalRealm]

Fun fact: The Dark Phoenix was originally planned as a two-film story. In pre-production, 20th Century Fox were unhappy about the escalating costs so they canned the second film. Director Simon Kinberg then had to retool his script to accommodate the full story into one screenplay.

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@agentofchaos7456]

Partly, true. According to the cast, crew, and Chris Claremont (writer of the comic) the movie isn’t the full story. It is meant to be an origin story about how Jean becomes Phoenix and she doesn’t become Phoenix until at the end of the movie.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Oh wow, that sure explains a lot. The first film should've focused on Jean's internal fight with the Phoenix force and saved her killing of Raven for the very end of the film, which would then be her climactic push towards its consumption due to her shame and grief causing weakened resolve. Part 2 would have Dark Phoenix as the big bad, already well-alive & established, changing her environs as she sees fit while dropping subtle hints to the idea that Jean is not completely gone but left trapped in her own mind, unable to reach out even to Charles. But don't show us that visual right away, have us question & wonder about it over most of the film, maybe through moments of subtle, "blink and you'll miss it" facial acting by Sophie Turner. 🔥

[@Gamerguy-ud1zo]

don't the disney fox merger and captain marvel forcing them to have to change the aliens and ending fighting sequence so marvel could do the in space battle.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

cool beans.

[@DenderFriend]

this was pretty much the nail in the coffin for FOX's X-Men universe

[@ChannelAwesome]

The franchise was limping along and this was the mercy shot

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

"The sad final dribble"

[@chasehedges6775]

@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 👍👍👍👍👍

[@DiegoHernandez-xt2su]

@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 Dark Phoenix was originally gonna release after the new mutants but they decided to release dark phoenix instead and then the new mutants got released

[@agentofchaos7456]

Well Deadpool 3 is likely to film next year and Patrick Stewart is rumored to return in Multiverse of Madness.

[@imsomewhatcertain1024]

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Producers: “How did our newest blockbuster fail?! We don’t understand! Two Years Later Nostalgia Critic: “Well, I’m two years late, but let me tell you why!”

[@agentofchaos7456]

Jean wasn’t possessed though. All the cosmic energy did was unleashed trauma that Xavier repressed and she developed PTSD.

[@FlashJan1940]

@@agentofchaos7456 copy and paste.

[@squidsquiddly5970]

The scene with Devil Boner and the alien "killing themselves whilst also being reborn" had me laughing so hard it hurt. Thank you seriously lol

[@benkoferenc3365]

Fun fact: Vuk is the title of one of the most famous children's books in Hungary. Also, the animated version is a stone cold classic. We do not talk about the sh*tty sequel. So this makes Chastain's character all the more funny for us.

[@scp-507]

Isn’t that literally just the Germanic word for fox?

[@lucavitiello3722]

The Dazzler’s scene is the one and only BEST SCENE of this movie

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

yes.

[@jonathancharron7360]

Why wasnt she taylor swift? Didn't swift promote the film back in 2018?

[@ericjanssen394]

It's all that was left of Stan Lee's 90's memo to give Dazzler her own TV series. Er, this was back in the Roger Corman days.

[@ErichoTTA]

I'm gonna say an unpopular opinion. Dazzler is the hottest X-Men (X-Women) out there (well, not including Emma Frost). When I first saw her in the comics, I thought she was jawdroppingly hot. Disco shall live forever if it will give us a babe as hot as her.

[@lucavitiello3722]

@@ErichoTTA i agree, even her powers are cool (convert sound to light)

[@connorcaldwell588]

20th Century Fox: Hey, Jackman! You wanna bring Wolverine back so he can be in our new Dark Phoenix movie? Hugh: Piss off!!!

[@kamdan2011]

Hugh: “Go fuck yourselves.”

[@Lopez03Eduardo.]

More like Fox-Come on with you in it that should boost ticket sells Hugh-Go F Yourself

[@Lopez03Eduardo.]

@Orcaluv26 yes he has but right now current rumor is he was in talks to show up Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness to fight Wanda

[@RichTheFlop]

the way his contract ended in 2017..

[@FlashJan1940]

@@RichTheFlop Ryan Reynolds: one more time Hugh? Hugh: yeah sure Ryan.

[@MeleeTiger]

The only thing I'll defend about this movie, is Professor X looking like he doesn't know what emotion to express. As a character who could move cities with his mind, I'm pretty sure his usual calm demeanor is more than just him being professional, and more that he HAS to force himself to control his emotions, and was fighting with his own personal feelings to keep his power in check, managing to express little more than a sad silent rage.

[@agentofchaos7456]

I would also defend Jean’s character. As Xavier explicitly states that the cosmic force simply unleashed Jean’s repressed trauma and that send her mind in the wrong direction. So she isn’t really possessed, but is dealing with PTSD. She displayed many PTSD symptoms and behaviors throughout the film. The Dark Phoenix Saga was never really a possession story. It was about Jean having a psychological breakdown due to a series of traumatic events and that made her into a drug addict (her power was like a drug). The whole possession angle was only in the cartoon version.

[@RichTheFlop]

@triforian king the movie takes place in the year 1992 so..

[@RichTheFlop]

@triforian king okay so, first class takes place somewhere in the 60's, days of futures past takes place in the 70's, apocalypse takes place in the 80's, dark phoenix takes place in the 90's

[@scotttrail522]

That. . . To be honest, that makes him more powerful than Jean Grey. He's like . . . the Male Raven from Teen Titans, of the X-Men.

[@RichTheFlop]

@@scotttrail522 normally charles is stronger, until jean became phoenix and her powers were enhanced and began growing even more

[@NGarreau12]

24:39 "It's like doing the Gwen Stacey / Green Goblin bridge scene again. It's just been botched too many times to leave an impact anymore." Spider-Man: No Way Home would like a word with you on that one.

[@dylansharp8471]

Does that count?

[@nslater1388]

The only silver lining for me was that they gave my boy Cyclops a little more action in this film, showing off his abilities.

[@wstine79]

24:21 Shitballs has managed to do something nobody ever could: not ruin Rob's day.

[@jgreg3596]

I will say, the first 10 minutes of this movie are pretty good and Hans Zimmer’s music is amazing. It just really nosedives by the end.

[@anthonycerulli5524]

Nothing about this movie was good.

[@connorholt1414]

@@anthonycerulli5524 except for the 1st 10 minutes

[@fellowspacemarine]

I swear on my life I was literally thinking earlier today "man I hope Doug does a Nostalgia Critic on Dark Phoenix." I'm scared ya'll...

[@ChannelAwesome]

Wish for Ecto-Cooler to come back!

[@fellowspacemarine]

@@ChannelAwesome GENIUS!!!

[@erichfiedler1481]

@@ChannelAwesome we'll do that AFTER you promise to review the original Ghostbusters movie, you already covered the okay sequel and meh reboot, you know we want a review of nostalgic classic, that and a Dark Toons on Helluva Boss, I recommend starting with Episode 1 "Murder Family"

[@jonyoho1570]

@@erichfiedler1481 I'd love that too, but Dark Toons is explicitly for Cartoons made with kids in mind; Helluva Boss is not

[@louisduarte8763]

@@ChannelAwesome Similarly, you reviewed Constantine the same week I watched it on AMC.

[@victorhale]

When a movie is so bad it’s alternate endings and scenes somehow make the movie better. Hell the ending actually mentions EVOLUTION and shows space as a frontier worth exploring more. Not to mention the fact that the skrulls were originally planned for this movie.

[@agentofchaos7456]

The Hellfire Club were originally planned for the movie. The Skrulls were their second choice.

[@agentofchaos7456]

*second choice* I mean.

[@marcbothma]

That Jetsons sound with Fassbender floating is freaking hilarious.

[@carlosrvra]

That Jetsons soundbyte as Magneto floated over to Jean Grey made my day :D

[@jbcatz5]

And “my cabbages!”

[@jordangan3246]

I actually feel really bad for Kinberg. I mean, he seems like a nicer person than Singer and compared to Apocalypse (which I hated), this felt like a slight improvement. His directing actually felt better than Singer’s, compared to Bohemian Rhapsody it had less cuts, he got along with the cast better than Singer ever did (the X-Men cast both old and new reportedly clashed with Singer since the first X-Men movie), and in the end he even took responsibility for the film flopping (which is something I haven’t seen that much in directors of a comic book adaptation) which makes him out as a humble person compared to Singer’s control freak tendencies. Shame that Disney/Fox had to step in and ruin it. Compared to the Last Stand though, it wasn’t as bad.

[@gaelofariandel6747]

As bland as the character Apocalypse was, the villain's acting in this was SOOOO much more cringy. Also Mystique's roll/makeup/acting was worse in TDP. Quicksilver didn't have his song/time-dilation scene. Xavier was more of an idiot. Heck, my list goes on as far as why I'd rather watch Apocalypse.

[@MugdhaMahdiShams]

@@gaelofariandel6747 Mystique's makeup was worse cuz Jennifer Lawrence was too much of a diva to commit.

[@LucyLioness100]

@@MugdhaMahdiShams that started showing by “Days of Future Past” & escalated by “Apocalypse”. I’ve heard JLaw demanded to be out of the makeup as much as possible once the 3rd film came round. Her acting I think disappeared by the 2nd prequel/sequel

[@DSan-kl2yc]

@@MugdhaMahdiShams but the studio was the one that kept her in when she didn't want to. Like mystique was not that important. That's another studio mistake.

[@ninjanibba4259]

I’m sorry, I rather always watch X3 more

[@jeremyusreevu237]

"The pain a character goes through doesn't mean much if you can't relate to them" So fricking true.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

Eh, I wouldn't say we necessarily have to *relate* to the pain so much as we should understand it (through good character writing) and believe in its authenticity (through the actor portraying said character).

[@chasehedges6775]

@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose Part of having good characters AND a good story is to care.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@chasehedges6775 An undeniably true fact.

[@RichTheFlop]

so... dealing with repressed trauma and mental illness that suddenly smacks you in the face isn't relatable? (me going through it all the time-)

[@Crabinton]

@@RichTheFlop you can relate to them then because you are going through it.

[@captaingirpool23]

Man, Nightcrawler went from thriller fan to killer man in just a couple of seconds. Also this NC review along with the honest trailer (which if you saw the one for dark phoenix you got the reference) are probably the closest I’ll get to watching the actual movie.

[@captaingirpool23]

*probably the*

[@agentofchaos7456]

The Honest Trailer said this was the last movie from the X-Men universe. But there is another one coming out in less than year. Screen Junkies literally didn't know what they were talking about.

[@33dbz]

Ranking the xmen movies. 1. Days of future past 2. Logan 3. The Wolverine 4. X-men Apocalypse (hot take) 5. Xmen the last stand (bigger hot take) 6. X2 7 xmen 8 xmen First Class 9. Deadpool (plz dont kill me, i like Deadpool) 10. Deadpool 2 ( plz dont kill me again, i really do like Deadpool) These movies i dont like however. 11. Xmen origins the Wolverine 12. Dark Pheonix 13. The New Mutants

[@DeOneTrueSage]

The funny thing is X-Men: Dark Phoenix feels like a copy paste version of Captain Marvel which in it self feels like it could have been better and not average at best.

[@mrcritical6751]

Well apparently Vuk and her species were meant to be Skrulls but a combination of fans hating the fact that they were grey generic aliens who didn’t look like The Skrulls plus Captain Marvel having them made them cut that link from the movie

[@RichTheFlop]

@@mrcritical6751 almost exactly what i was gonna say! screw captain marvel.

[@kamikazelemming1552]

The film should have just left out the aliens out entirely, and just made them a cult of mutants seeking to end the world using the Phoenix.

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@kamikazelemming1552 The villains were originally going to be the Hellfire Club.

[@MasterGeek-mk5ne]

Even through I was a big fan of the X-Men movies and their spin-offs, this was the only I didn’t have the stomach to go see at the theaters.

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

Agreed, Fassbender and Macavoy did their best to carry the movie, but in the end, Dark Phoenix was an unfulfilling finale. Especially since the bar was put up so high due to Logan.

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@logannottheonefrommarvel9917 Dark Phoenix was meant to be an origin story instead of a finale. Jean says so herself at the end.

[@MovieFan1912]

25:49-25:52 Love the continuity! The Percy Jackson review was fun.

[@monicadelgado5296]

That are more consistent with their continuity than the entirety of the x-men movies.

[@bauer0788]

"The women are always saving the men around here.." I feel like Xavier would have stood up in disagreement but he kinda got paralyzed preventing a nuclear war. Right before his Eric decided to fight against him and his long childhood friend sided with Magneto. What was her name again? Didn't she almost cause the end of mutants? Oh that's right.. it was Raven.

[@destroyerblackdragon]

Raven is her slave name.

[@lcc2348]

I don't know how she can say that when Nightcrawler and Quicksilver are literally carrying the X-Men

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

I wanna see a producer ballsy enough to make "God Loves, Man Kills." Now THAT is an X-men story!

[@johnnysparkle]

What kind of x men story are we talking about?

[@ShadowSonic2]

They already used that to do X2.

[@jlev1028]

@@johnnysparkle It's about an inflammatory televangelist (think Jerry Falwell Sr.) who kidnaps Xavier and attempts to force him to kill the world's mutants with a telepathy amplifying device.

[@VJK102]

@@jlev1028 ... Thats X-men 2

[@jbcatz5]

See X2: X-Men United

[@astralterra2906]

god, how could anyone dislike Nostalgia Critic? Where else can you find movie reviews that open with space battle?

[@TheRibottoStudios]

"Maybe you should just call it X-Women." There's cringe. And then there's just.....SHOVING. THE WOMEN EMPOWERMENT SHIT DOWN YOUR THROAT. People thought that team up scene in ENDGAME was badly done women empowerment? THAT moment was just....Settin' women in film back 50 years. As a woman myself there is NOTHING I HATE MORE than when it's just SHOVED down your throat "LOOK LOOK WOMAN STRONG YEAH" just.....show it. That's what film is for. Show don't tell.

[@agentofchaos7456]

Deadpool 2 made the same joke a year prior. It has nothing to do with women empowerment.

[@jbcatz5]

At least Endgame showed them being badass. This is Jennifer Lawrence doing a woke speech about an incident where she did nothing but bark out orders and the guys actually contributed to saving the astronauts.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@jbcatz5 EXACTLY.

[@MacXHammer]

It just took one "my cabagges!" to make the death of Jean's mother hilarious

[@axelnilsson5124]

I was about to burst out laughing

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

​@@axelnilsson5124ok

[@BLasherman]

Wait, never saw this, Jean Grey parents were very much still alive when she was the Phoenix in the comics, why make her an orphan? That is Cyclops story. She even has Aunts and Uncles and Cousins and sisters.

[@Lopez03Eduardo.]

Movie she has no other relatives just her surviving dad that's it even in the Last Stand showed both her parents

[@RichTheFlop]

to make people feel sympathy for her and make her seem like she's not as evil as she displays herself to be in the movie-

[@danielanderson8322]

Because giving someone a tragic backstory with dead parents, instantly makes them likeable (I guess)

[@agentofchaos7456]

@@danielanderson8322 Because Jean’s entire arc in the movie is learning that her power is not inherently evil.

[@mikesmith145]

Fox and it’s writers/producers/directors never really knew what to do with Jean Grey other than a recycled Phoenix story… also how is it that with close to 20 years with these movies and we’ve never had Mr.Sinister in any of them???

[@louisduarte8763]

I guess they have to save somebody "new" for the X-Men's MCU debut. MovieBob wrote up a treatment for how that would go a few years back in his blog.

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

They were planning to apparently, but that never came through for a variety of reasons.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Just a couple name drops to the Essex Corporations.

[@TheMiuToo]

Hilariously enough, the day I went to see Detective Pikachu, I was going to do a double matinee and watch this movie as well. Thank god I changed my mind!

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

And in the end, you chose the better DP-initialled movie. 😆 (This is coming from someone who saw both btw).

[@claymathewselevator8121]

I was gonna see this heard first reviews so I just read the synopsis on Wikipedia I’m happy with that decision

[@sorrybarley7509]

I went to see a double feature of Dark Phoenix and Men in Black International. I really don’t know what I was thinking…

[@zackcross7190]

I just realized, the scene where Jessica Chastain is possessed by alien is a rip off of when Gabriel Byrne became possessed in End of Days.

[@LucyLioness100]

I wouldn’t be shocked if they lifted that from that film. And we all know Doug’s feelings on “End of Days”

[@zackcross7190]

@@LucyLioness100 Personally, End of Days is one of my top ten guilty pleasure movies

[@jlev1028]

I don't think she was possessed so much as killed and the alien took her form. Kind of like what happened in CW's Flash.

[@RichTheFlop]

she wasn't possessed, the alien killed her and took her form

[@kagenoo1084]

I kinda hate how they treated Kurt. He was on a team with his formerly villainous mother who he just watched die but he never got to know that, he is good friends with his mom.'s ex's kid, but he didn't know that, he had no religious ties in any of the movies and he has gone one two or three murder sprees during the movies and has shown no remorse.

[@dylansharp8471]

Ex kid? Murder sprees?

[@kagenoo1084]

@@dylansharp8471 ex's kid is quick silver and the murders are moments like the train scene where he clearly kills multiple people during the fight

[@snukastyle]

For being in their 50's-60's, the surviving X-Men from First Class look amazing!

[@BugsyFoga]

The Final miserable nail in the coffin (prior to new mutants) to the Fox era of the X-men franchise.

[@erichfiedler1481]

I had low expectations for New Mutants due to the numerous delays, so by the time I finally watched the film, I won't lie, I actually thought it was pretty fun and scary

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

I think New Mutants is the last one but close enough?

[@agentofchaos7456]

Deadpool 3 is likely to film next year and the X-Men are apparently being reintroduced in the next Doctor Strange movie.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

I thought The Last Stand was okay ending to the series. At that point, I was used to see series only as trilogies, I didn't even know about X-Men Origins: Wolverine and First Class until 2013 if I remember correctly. The last comic book movie I saw Spider-Man 3 in 2007 and I was growing up and thought that all these movies are just for kids. I missed The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Watchmen etc. I started to watch this genre again in 2012 and damn I missed so much!

[@scottketchie5703]

Besides Tamara did awesome as mystique and I'm glad we've finally got a Dark Phoenix Review

[@NekoiNemo]

2:00 Oh my god, it's the Skygina 2! "Your emotions make you weak." Wait, Jean had emotions in this movie? News to me! I've seen kuudere characters who emote more than her.

[@JessM28]

The Chart guys being in love and getting married was my favorite thing about this review XD

[@guillermosierracuellar9812]

Mystique: thank god they killed me early on now I can leave this movie

[@gaelofariandel6747]

More like the actress, but yes.

[@luishernandezsoto]

@@gaelofariandel6747 Or both.

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Yeah, JLaw's version was pretty bad in all these movies. Rebecca Romijn was so much better.

[@wolfgangmitchell9213]

Looks like you have two more films of the X-Men franchise's divisive movies to review, The Wolverine and The New Mutants. Also, did you know that Dark Phoenix is coming to Disney+ this Friday?

[@teneesh3376]

The Wolverine is weird. The start and middle are really good. But the ending was really bad

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

Ghee what a coincidence.

[@patax144]

in the US, where I live it has been on Disney+ the whole time, we're getting New Mutants this month though

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@teneesh3376 it’s not that bad

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

The Wolverine is not divisive st all. Though, I admit that it's ending is on the weak side.

[@Ghostlyking-tc3vu]

As a 90s kid this movie should have been a joy to watch but it just blows

[@steve6997]

Yeah it sucks

[@elizabethjanemorgan3607]

7:05 "She just exists and we're supposed to feel bad for her because everyone else feels bad for her." One simple fix to make this scene more emotional: have Jean cry. It would have been much more impactful if Charles came into the room and found young Jean with her legs on the couch, her face buried in her knees, while crying her heart out. Audible sobs, shaking with grief, all of that would have conveyed the emotional trauma Jean just faced losing her parents. Instead of Professor X going on and on about a pen, have him come up to Jean, place a comforting hand on her shoulder, and quietly say, "You're home." Then, have the scene fade to black. Less dialogue, more emotion. Something that could be said for this entire movie.

[@agentofchaos7456]

That isn’t the intent of the scene. Its purpose is to establish what the movie is about, which is Jean’s trauma. Like most opening sequences do.

[@FlashJan1940]

@@agentofchaos7456 yes it the intent.

[@MidnightKingL]

17:25 Was not expecting Super Saiyan Magneto but thank for fueling my fanfics.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

I'm just mad not because of how bad it is (though it is.) But because think of all the things you could of done with this storyline/film instead what did we get? Mehnish

[@TslilTapiro]

damn this video has no sponsor, guess i'll go to the post office for my stamps from now on. wish me luck guys

[@ChannelAwesome]

Don't make Stampula cry! Your friendly neighborhood Stamps.com will be back later this month!

[@TheYoungDoctor]

I guess they were too busy sponsoring the latest New Rockstars What If...? video.

[@renji90998]

The problem with the X-Men films(asides from everything else) is that they always jump to Dark Phoenix when going into the Phoenix Saga

[@axelnilsson5124]

Yeah it’s like if the mcu started with the avengers and then 3 or 5 movies later we get infinity war/endgame

[@renji90998]

Looking back here are a few things that could've made this movie a bit better. Getting rid of the Vux character and make her Emma Frost. I that she died, but they actually could've brought her back. Before Emma died, she psychically transferred her mind into a new body. Emma enters the school under a false name (real name from the body she stole) as a teacher. Manipulating the team from within. Make Jean believe she wants to help her like before. Then reveal who she is and introducing the Hellfire Club. Make the Phoenix Saga a 2- or 3-part film. First would focus on Phoenix, Hellfire part 2, and then make Dark Phoenix part 3 or combined with part 2

[@agentofchaos7456]

Emma was originally going to be the villain for the movie. There is concept art of the Hellfire Club online.

[@KitsuneRokaku]

20:53 "Den vhy vas this called Operation Kill Jean?" I almost choked on my drink. That caught me off guard

[@JacobButter]

0:30 - 2:27 To anyone who thinks Channel Awesome haven't many any leaps since to Boldy Flee (and there are a few), I advise you to play the space battles back to back.

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

So glad Mystique is dead. Absolutely sick to death of that character, especially the miscast Jennifer Lawrence version. I never want to see Mystique in a movie again unless they're actually going to depict her correctly.

[@PeacefulPotato]

"Thought she was like your first love or something... " "She was like my first love or something" 😂 You are a genius comedy writer

[@alibrennan5977]

Ahhh shitballs!

[@steve6997]

He’s not tho

[@PeacefulPotato]

@@steve6997 Meh, 2/10 bait. Would not recommend

[@EyeOfArgus]

I mean… its not exactly a genius bit. Kinda the first punchline anyone would think of there

[@MegaKnight2012]

To be fair, them saying another X-Woman is Jean's best friend without showing them doing anything together sounds true to the comics (Storm)

[@ETPlayground]

"She's nobody's favourite." She is 10/10 the best of the X-Men. Best powers. Best chaotic storylines. And being an older sibling from an age gap household, a character who has to devote herself to everyone else's needs while also being expected to appear happy and free so nobody feels guilty about the crazy making amount of emotional labour you're always doing. But the films really couldn't even get that across with a the movie's F-bomb "it's just so fucking hard to live for everyone and always have to worry about being there for them when I could just fly away or make them all be quiet".

[@thatoneguy9399]

It’s pretty well known Simon Kinberg’s original script was a more fleshed out story which included the Skrulls and more of the comic storyline but Fox got calls from the MCU where they asked them not to use some of the elements in the movies since the MCU was about to use them. Idk if that changed Jean at all but it does sound like Kinberg had a more stronger vision in mind that had to be changed at the last minute

[@agentofchaos7456]

His original script apparently had the Hellfire Club as the villains. Aliens were meant for the sequel.

[@yojo3315]

Literally makes no sense that Jean would die at the end of Dark Phoenix when she appeared at the end of Days of Future Past smh

[@agentofchaos7456]

She didn’t die though. She transformed into the Phoenix flew off into space to eat a star.

[@Toby_Price]

As if the X-Men series has ever remotely cared about continuity. Most of the films are better off viewed as separate entities as opposed to actually being in the same chronology.

[@chiefspartan02]

REALITY ALTERING SHENANIGANS

[@axelnilsson5124]

It probably wasn’t supposed to be the finale but became because it bombed the only real continuity error is Xavier’s retirement

[@anonymousaccount4483]

@@axelnilsson5124 Xavier comes back as Headmaster in 2018 as evidence by Deadpool 2. Everyone from Dark Phoenix appears in that Deadpool 2 scene except Jean. Meaning for the timeskip to Days of Future Past’s ending to make sense, the X-Men need to recruit Deadpool, recruit Logan, and find Jean by 2023 (5 years later)

[@tajklair]

I haven’t laughed this much at one of skits in a long time it was worth the wait, THERE THERE.

[@GBmovieluv]

It was epic too

[@steve6997]

@@GBmovieluv it wasn’t tho

[@nahor88]

The skits are fucking annoying... I JUST WANNA LISTEN TO DOUG REVIEW THE FUCKING MOVIE.

[@leonardfabian8942]

@@nahor88 thank you whatever this guy is smoking he needs to stop and get clean.

[@Bat-Addicted-Loony]

“And i went revenge for the fantastic beast movies” OOF, felt that

[@dylansharp8471]

Does he not like that? I don't entirely know his thoughts around them.

[@fournierman]

Between Channel Awesome, Dead Meat, and Screen Rant (Pitch Meetings), I have watched so many films so quickly. Thank you to all of those channels, the creators, performers, and editors.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

I kind of feel bad for Sophie Turner. I followed along with the production of Dark Phoenix, and was really intrigued to hear about all the work she was putting in for this, studying up on identity disorders and trauma and the like. She was clearly committed to doing Jean's story justice now that it was center stage, and MAN did she look incredible in those promotional pictures of her Phoenix form. 🔥 Though her performance was ultimately considered by most critics to be one of the film's better aspects (along with James McAvoy's), I was left somewhat underwhelmed by what we were given of her in the end, and felt like there was way more we were originally meant to see. (Blame it on all they tried to cram into that short-ass runtime, which felt like it all flew on by me when I was in the theater. Pun not intended).

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

People thought her performance in this was good? Lol.

[@Scienceguy721]

At least the 80s animated series did the Phoenix Saga good enough.

[@thegreyjedi2372]

Actually, that was the 90’s. Crazy, innit?

[@IsaacV24]

I’ll say this: as bad as this movie was, I did like the music for when Jean was consumed by the fire Phoenix. (At least I think that’s what it was. I don’t remember.)

[@sjahbw]

Ok

[@agentofchaos7456]

I’d argue that movie was okay. It is meant to be an accurate depiction of trauma and succeeds at that.

[@DHynes5]

Hans Zimmer music makes anything awesome!

[@ConnorCreed3]

Now all we need is New Mutants, and we will have officially gone through, arguably, all the bad ones.

[@klimmr]

14:35 Even Lebron's son in Space Jam 2 likes creating video games. That's already more complex than Jean is.

[@johnnysparkle]

Troubled Production: The trouble began when Fox executives looked at the poor critical and commercial reception for X-Men: Apocalypse and felt that the film was an anomaly of what was otherwise a consistently well-performing franchise, rather than evidence that audiences were growing frustrated with its creative direction. In a desperate attempt to win back the fans' trust, Fox decided to reboot The Dark Phoenix Saga, which they previously tackled with the aforementioned The Last Stand to disastrous results. Recurring series producer Simon Kinberg was chosen to direct in his feature film debut due to his aforementioned work as a fill-in director on Apocalypse. Although Kinberg had the backing of the stars (including Jennifer Lawrence, who reportedly refused to do the film unless Kinberg directed it), fans were more skeptical given how Kinberg co-wrote The Last Stand, never directed a prior feature film from start to finish, and lost some credibility for his role in the infamous Fantastic Four (2015) reboot. Filming went smoothly, but once Fox executives got to see a rough cut, both them and Kinberg agreed that the film needed extensive reshoots. Unfortunately, the reshoots didn't occur for over a year since Fox had to renegotiate many of the actors' contracts. It was during this time that Rupert Murdoch, having grown disillusioned with the trend of media consolidation, decided to sell Fox and its entertainment assets to Disney, which owned Marvel Comics and would almost certainly move to put the characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Since the deal wouldn't be finalized for nearly a year-and-a-half, Fox was forced to continue on with the film. The reshoots ended up resulting in the film moving up its release date by several months. All this was happening as the marketing campaign was rolling out. Then things went to hell. James Cameron, who was writing and producing Alita: Battle Angel for Fox, complained that his film was scheduled to open against Mary Poppins Returns, Aquaman and Bumblebee, fearing a box office slaughter from all three. Consequently, Fox moved up Dark Phoenix's release date by four months, only a couple of days after its first trailer dropped, making it a summer blockbuster, while giving Alita the February slot originally reserved for Dark Phoenix. Several Fox executives, including current studio head Emma Watts, rebelled against the move but were overruled. As the merger with Disney closed, many of the film's marketing staff were forced out in the post-merger shakeup, resulting in the film's campaign lacking any sort of message or direction. Not helping matters was that the film, instead of hype building, faced either apathy or merciless mocking on the Internet before its release, seeing it as a Contractual Obligation Project in a franchise that was doomed to end in the merger's aftermath. The end result was a disaster both critically and commercially. The final film was a critically-panned mess that received a lower Rotten Tomatoes percentage score than both The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Fan concerns about Kinberg's lack of experience were validated as even the most generous critics singled out Kinberg's weak direction as a major flaw. Financially, the film was a massive bomb that opened with a whopping $33 million on its opening weekend in America, the lowest opening ever for an X-Men film. Things got worse when bad word-of-mouth lead to the film experiencing a second weekend drop of 71.5%, the worst for the genre since Batman v Superman three years prior. The lack of legs was further exacerbated by the film being pulled from over 1,600 theaters in its third weekend. The film effectively ensured any thought of the X-Men film franchise continuing in its current incarnation would be dashed. The last nail on the coffin came when Disney disclosed a $170 million loss in its studio division for the company's third financial quarter, specifically calling out Dark Phoenix's poor performance as the main reason for the quarter's weaker-than-expected results. Consequently, Disney moved to gut whatever autonomy Fox had left post-merger, taking a direct role in green-lighting films for the brand and shelving almost every film from the studio in the early stages of development indefinitely. The only films that escaped the purge were those connected to valuable IP (i.e. Avatar, Planet of the Apes, etc.), Fox Searchlight fare and those that Disney chose to move to other brands in their portfolio.

[@waltervaldivia5934]

...damn.

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

In retrospect, some of those projects include that were late in production at Blue Sky

[@leonardoflorentin]

Nice writing man, you wrote that as if it was a professional article.

[@demiliomason1565]

I'm sorry but you know we can just go to wikipedia right? You didn't have to copy and paste the production tab.

[@EvangeRei]

Not to mention that it was originally planned as two-part film, but thanks to Apocalypse it became one-parter. They hoped for expanding Phoenix saga in a possible crossover with New Mutants, but thanks to Disney those plans were scrapped too.. and now we're here..