Are the isle's dinosaur designs bad?

One of the most important aspects of any dinosaur survival game is without much surprise, the dinosaurs themselves. One game in particular tho always had a level of criticism regarding their dino designs significantly higher than its competition, and is frequently a topic of discussion within the community. And so we ask the question: Are the isle designs bad?
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[@dakojin3811]

I think the biggest problem with the designs, as said by Scanova, is their consistency. Some are close to paleo accurate, some are JP clones, and some are super speculative or overly monstrous. While I myself don't have much of a problem with it, it does feel a little off that something like Hypsi's design is in the same game with Utah's design

[@Lightclaw]

scanova...

[@voultronix761]

100% agree . I honestly think it comes down to the devs having their own ideas. Someone obviously is reading research papers of dinosaurs in the design team.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Then there is shit like Beipiaosaurus which couldn't be farther from the actual animal if they tried. Only thing Isle Beipi and actual Beipi have in common is claws, everything else is incredibly fake.

[@snedbag1727]

Nothing feels off at all

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@snedbag1727 Sure Dondi. Whatever you say.

[@maldambao6126]

Hearing about the lore and i'm just taking a minute to process the fact that someone at AE thought of the many military uses for hypsi's spit and the higher ups were like "YES, BRILLIANT, Let's dump our resources into recreating this beast NOW!"

[@Lightclaw]

No, AE is not doing things for military purposes.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Why not, if bats were used as living pyro rounds IRL?

[@GoodlyData86596]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033 *they used bats to what now?*

[@tjarkschweizer]

Apparently nothing in the isle is realistic. So don't think about it. Just consume product.

[@mikeoxsmal69]

@@GoodlyData86596to start a pandemic lol

[@buckledben]

When we start using the “lore” to justify bad designs is when I give up on the discussion entirely. Its the same excuses JW uses to justify their designs. I can’t believe modern media still depicts naked raptors, skinny trex, tail dragging stegosaurus and sauropods in 2023. At least we have prehistoric planet now.

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

To be fair, JP’s designs were more or less accurate back in the 90’s.

[@mechmaze1686]

@@ReeseasaurusRexThat’s what makes the JW movies such a disappointment. The original JP was actually pretty accurate for the time, just with a dash of hollywood magic to make the “velociraptors” bigger because deinonychus didn’t sound scary enough I guess, lol. JW doesn’t even try with its dinosaurs anymore, they just look awful. JP was an amazing movie and still holds up today with what it set out to do, but man I wish every piece of dino media under the sun would stop using naked raptors/troodontids/ornithomimids/etc, it’s been like 30 plus years and seeing them still depicted this way is jarring

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

@@mechmaze1686 BIG agree. I hate it so much, I didn’t even watch the latest movie. I lost all respect for the franchise the moment hybrids became canon.

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@ReeseasaurusRex How about the show? Some people praise that show like it's the Godfather of JP, but what about you?

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

@@kade-qt1zu what show?

[@darkonyx6995]

It depends. But i think they hit more than miss! Even the ones who looked bad in their concepts, like Austro, look awesome in their models!

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

What are you on about the new austroraptor design is trash. They turned it into a sly cooper character.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

​@@troythedeconstructionist1382bad opinion

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 I know yours probably is, but what is mine?

[@shrekscousin1389]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 go find a girlfriend

[@joema500]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 That may possibly be, the shittest fucking comeback I have ever seen in my entire life. Impressive.

[@Lightclaw]

FYI for the lore section of this video. Strains WERE NOT for combat/military purposes Strains WERE made for medicinal reasons- hence the name Apollo and there was an incident that occurred on the island(s) heavily shown through the absence of human life the overgrowth of plants around buildings and it's not conducted on an archipelago of islands Gateway has a very small archipelago, but it's only one main island with one smaller shoot off And we don't know if the non-feathered ones (or the feathered ones) are shoot off mutations that AE didn't predict

[@StelloTyrannus]

Would love to see you make your own design tier list like scanovas, especially taking account to more recently revealed designs like bary and dilo, and ones scanova didn’t get to mention like rugops and pterodactylus. I also think many of the designs for the isle are solid to great, I’ll even accept magy for what it is. Really the only one I truly hate is anky, literally everything else like gameplay was nailed, but the design! The DESIGN!!

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Oh you can't pull the Jurassic Park card of "genetic experimentation" to justify the JP ripoffs. In the same video Scanova pointed at Legacy's Velociraptor as "scaliness done right" with a B tier rating in which, though inaccurate, created a beautiful little animal. Even without feathers there was so much better the Isle team could have done without copying Jurassic Park's homework.

[@No_name8374]

Yeah it makes no sense why he try to “justify” which he didn’t he acknowledges that those designs are Jp ripoffs. But it still does excuse the laziness of the designs either.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@No_name8374 He's a fanboy grasping at straws to justify his sunk cost into this game.

[@Archosaur_Dominion]

@@thenerdbeast7375 okay that seems unfare, -he has been heavily critical of this game, -said his relationship with the devs wasn't good -has not once been toxic in regards to people's opinions on it -and has *always* supported friendly discussion

[@AnAntarcticScotsman]

​@@thenerdbeast7375You do know who you are talking about right?.

[@Archosaur_Dominion]

@@thenerdbeast7375 I have NO idea how you can call this man a fanboy. Have, you, seen, his, videos?

[@H_3_R_0-]

The isle is a strange case because some of the dinosaurs look scientifically accurate while others look like something from the jurassic franchise.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Cuz JP wasn't a univercity aproved media?) Go play pheasant raptors from pot...)

[@tjarkschweizer]

Watch out for Filipp the hate spammer.

[@Pastamist]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033university* and approved* Also, yeah, JP isn’t as bad as a lot of people paint it to be, at least it’s not 65 or something. Jurassic World’s new installment was disappointing, but at least they added feathers; my main concern was how they dumbed down everything and on top of that, tried to state that the dinosaurs were 100% genetically complete, aka the same as they were in the prehistoric age. I always tell people that if they really wanna criticize a fictional movie, we can criticize Walking with Dinosaurs too since people praise that, but it has a fuckton of inaccuracies even for a documentary made AFTER JP (but no one’s ready for that convo lol).

[@undary0u]

​@@filippaustralovenator2.033old jp was somewhat accurate post third movie till now no not even close lmao

[@theangrysuchomimus5163]

The problem with the designs is consistency. Like it feels more like the devs had a bunch of different design ideas and didn't care if they don't fit well with each other.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Consistancy is a factor, but the new artstyle they're transitioning to is straight garbage.

[@anicronyx2313]

I mean, if we look at the lore of the game, these Dinosaurs were recreated by AE, so I don't think they really care too much about how the dinos look, as long as they work in the world.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@anicronyx2313 The game desires to be taken seriously, very seriously. Not exactly reasonable when you treat your animals like pokemon. It's just an exuse for Dindo to rip off JP designs he likes because he would rather indulge his own nostalgia then have his own style. And no those garbage new dinosaurs don't represent a cogent style nor a desirable one.

[@anicronyx2313]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 I mean, who said inspiring your designs from Jurassic Park is a bad thing? JP has left a massive impact on how people see dinosaurs today, so it's only natural that people will base their work off of it.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@anicronyx2313 *I mean, who said inspiring your designs from Jurassic Park is a bad thing?* Well generally you want to make your own creative work original, not derrivative. That said the redesigns are overt downgrades from the original, they ruin the isle's oiriginal aesthetic which despite its accidental nature (being the combined product of UE4 assets and repurposed dinosaur models from TSL) was actually really good. The dinosaurs and world had both more character and were more accurate. And all of it was done away with because the devs wanted to indulge their own nostalgia.Talk about shameful. *JP has left a massive impact on how people see dinosaurs today, so it's only natural that people will base their work off of it.* What an idiotic argument. JP was the last time something with dinosaurs had a large cultural impact, but those designs themselves weren't iconic because they were aping off something else, they became iconic because they were fresh and original, were conveyed realistically, and were in a good movie. Everyone's been aping off JP for decades now as an exuse to not do research on their dinosaurs, and this has always been to the detriment of the newer properties. That's like saying all science fiction must pay homage to star wars or becomes better when paying homage to star wars, when the fact is doing something more original would be both refreshing and better. Jfc.

[@Evergreen_Wizard]

Disclaimer: I have a very strict personal opinion and I don’t intend to push my opinion on you. Feel safe to love whatever you love. Okay. I understand that there is such thing as artistic liberty, but I personally feel that dinosaur designs that actively push against the scientific real world truth are disrespecting these very real animals and disrespecting people who study them. Also I understand that neither The Isle, nor the Jurassic Park are educational material, but let’s be honest here, a lot of people absorb their dinosaur knowledge from these, so the “JP-aesthetic” is detrimental to better dinosaur education. I’ll go play a game with actual dinosaurs in it and not just monsters.

[@Bagelgeuse]

To be fair, there is Saurian. Not only are the dinosaur designs as accurate as possible, but they've got an in-game encyclopedia for you to learn about every living thing in the game. That being said, I get where you're coming from. Palaeontology is a field of which dinosaurs are merely one, albeit the most popular part. Does it undermine the field if the animals most commonly associated with it are predominantly portrayed as man-made monsters or cartoon characters for kids?

[@2I000]

As a paleo nerd and overall biology nerd, I find the isle’s designs pleasing and interesting. And as an artist, specifically a horror artist, I respect how they’ve stylized some of the dinosaurs in a grotesque and intimidating way, while making them still feel like real animals. Unlike Jurassic world, where the dinosaurs look downright childish and edgy.

[@scorpiopede]

While I get your main critique defending the designs, I don't think "but genetic abominations" is a good excuse for bad designs, because that's exactly it: It's an excuse. I'll break down why the designs fail in several points, regarding internal consistency, visual style, and form matching function. 1. The biggest defense for the designs of the game is that they're genetic abominations and so they don't need to be accurate, and while that is absolutely true, a lot of the species planned for the game don't really match the goals of the company. What use are something like Gallimimus to a military group? A lot of the game's herbivores are notorious for being helpless to defend themselves against even carnivores smaller than themselves, and so they fail as combat machines then and there. Even something like the Hypsi looks like it would make more sense as an exotic pet rather than a military tool. While things like the Troodon and "Omniraptor" definitely match this explanation, a lot of the other species don't. I can't imagine the Beipiaosaurus being super useful as a diving piscivore for a military operation. And to that, how could a group of experiments designed for battle support a self-sustaining ecosystem if that was never the intent? That's one HELL of a lucky stroke to pull off that they would survive more than a few years after their release. 2. I won't stay on this point for too long since Scanova made a video addressing this in greater detail, but the visual inconsistencies of the design are still bad, doesn't matter how much the shitty excuse justifies it, it's still a bad look when you can take 3 species from the same game and all of them look like they would come from different pieces of media. It's made even worse when taking into account that the species that do or don't get feathers are completely arbitrary. Oh we can't give the theropods feathers because that would be dumb, but we can give ornithiscians full fledged flight feathers because reasons. The visual inconsistency clashes incredibly hard and it ruins the sense of immersion that The Isle is trying SO hard to push for. They don't NEED to stick with accurate designs specifically, but pick one: Make them accurate, more original and stylized, or shamelessly rip off JP without an ounce of creativity to your designs. 3. The last one and probably the biggest flaw in The Isle's designs is a point you've not only brought up in this video but in previous ones as well. The Isle tries REALLY hard to create a living, breathing ecosystem, with animals that feel like they really live in this environment. Yet, a LOT of the designs don't even try to incorporate elements of the original animal into their designs, instead opting to twist the animal's anatomy to fit an arbitrary role to justify its inclusion in a bloated roster. Beipiaosaurus being changed from a terrestrial forager into a diving piscivore; Herrersaurus being twisted from a terrestrial generalist carnivore into a bipedal tree climbing lizard; and Pteranodon being a sea faring diver into a skimmer without even having adaptations made for that kind of lifestyle are all just a handful of examples of species that are twisted to fit an arbitrary life style. For a game that tries so hard to make a believable, living ecosystem, it doesn't try at all to have designs that fit with this theme. The animals are military bred yet exist in a perfectly functioning natural ecosystem consisting of a mix of cartoonishly fantastical creatures, realistic and modern animals, and JP knock-offs, all while supporting a supposed "horror" vibe. Is this to say ALL the Isle's designs are bad? No. I think Tenontosaurus is a nice stylized, more fantastical take on the animal, and they have a number of decent accurately designed animals as well, and *some* of the JP knock offs are fine in a vacuum. But taken all together WITH what the Isle is trying to do, they fail on a fundamental level and in delivering what the devs supposedly intended for them, with a good number failing at even being the animals who's name they borrow. If you want non realistic dinosaurs that bear no resemblance to their real life counterparts, just make up names for them. But of course then they don't get the publicity for saying "oh we got a T.rex like every other dino game on the market". The absolute BIGGEST offender of this is the Ankylosaurus. It fails with the internal design motif, as it feels LESS tanky than its real life counterpart and with a tail that looks extremely frail and would fail in any combat scenario. Design wise it looks incredibly out of place next to any other animal in the roster. Not to mention how it either lacks all the distinct elements of Ankylosaurus or are bastardized to an absurd degree. In terms of form meeting function, it looks so frail that it doesn't fit the "tank" role it supposedly fills, although knowing the devs and their innate carnivore bias, the Ankylosaurus' defensive capabilities will probably be as weak as those of the Parasaurolophus. But that's just my 2-cents as someone who's not only studied paleontology and engaged with paleo media for a long time, but someone who has dabbled in creature design and can understand intent alongside how accurate something is. So the TLDR: saying they're genetic abominations is just an excuse, it doesn't change bad designs from being anything more than that.

[@kade-qt1zu]

The problem with the Isle isn't just the fact that some of the designs are horrendous. Another problem is that they're inconsistent. Utah, oh I'm sorry, OMNIRAPTOR and Tenontosaurus were made with such different mindsets it's hard to believe they're part of the same game. One is a unique, stylized, take on the original creature that adds some unique quirks to it while staying true to what it was, and the other is just a lazy ripoff of a design from a popular movie series. It's so inconsistent and honestly downright irritating.

[@scorpiopede]

@@kade-qt1zu That's definitely one of the aspects that makes the roster infuriating, and made even worse when some don't even try to be the animal they're named after beyond the name and the most VAGUE similarity in terms of anatomy.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

​@@scorpiopede Kunbarra-Minmi war flash backs

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Well, they aren't aliens to just perish withought human care, lol. Unlike some "realistic" cash grab designs that just crippled the creature... ...cough-cough 2014. So, care to elaborate wich of them are even remotely JP brown in color?) Ya know, to be "rip offs"...) If scanova has a short memory - that's merely his cryouts problem. Naked gally (accepting the fact that they ever needed feathers in mongolia) is a good horse/mule substitute, besides them not getting in the way. Generally scales take hits better than feathers - hence why lizards actually wrestle, and not just slap each other lightly. Anky is in a loss cuz it's not a biped/not very manuverable and fast. Considering how many docs and dino media is out there from the start - it is the newest "realistic" pieces that need to prove what they're worth, which even now is wobbly, at best. They barely even match each other, unlike jp legacy. So, not much of a "rule". TI made consistent desighns - if it's not a fighter - it can have feathers, if it's a herb it looks like a herb bird, not the other way around like in some bs with barn owl colors on a bug eater/or pheasant raptors.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

@@kade-qt1zu , Lol, ornitopods with a flatt body being able to buck is "different"?) Someone should stop playing fantasy games like pot, otherwise calfs using horns since birth might get you confused with reality.) And no, omni isn't even fully brown or striped or green/violet or anything else to be a "jp rip off".

[@MDwesLARL]

Primal Carnage straight up has the best cerato 😎

[@1sobek1]

I always go into detail when talking with others about The Isle and its design choices. Most people just classify it as another dinosaur simulator, which at first glance is the case. However, give yourself time to look at the hidden details and it becomes clear there is much more going on with the game. While people usually who compare anything to Jurassic Park is looked at as a bad thing, i see this as a compliment. Jurassic Park has a history of simply denying their fans with gaming experiences revolved around the horror and themes of the first movie, which is exactly the reason we all love the franchise to begin with. Dinosaurs are dinosaurs and that is a factor of its own, but its the fear of these unpredictable animals let loose in man-made environments that keeps us so hooked. Every scenario within TI and JP involves the regression of buildings, vehicles, and even human corpses all being overtaken by overgrowth and foliage. To me, this is a clear sign of nature overthrowing mans grasp on it. Someone wise used the term "chaos effect" to summarize it. One other franchise that does an amazing job of living up to this stereotype was the fossilized Primal Carnage, a franchise i still hold dear to me for what it was and could still potentially be. I wont go into Primal Carnages history, but it follows the same inspirations that The Isle does, and both in my opinion succeed at capturing the magic of. PC was another game about genetic "dinosaurs" being created in a laboratory on and island, only to break out and start overthrowing everyone. Whereas JP has Ingen and TI has Apollo, PC had Pheonix, particularly 5 unique characters which all were deployed onto the island to fend off the Dinosaur outbreak. My point being is that although TI clearly copies looks and aesthetics from JP, this should not be considered a bad thing mostly. TI is going to give us an experience that we all created when we were little kids playing with our dinosaur toys and GIJOE action figures, and the Designs of the Dinosaurs, map, and lore are the key to selling us on that fantasy.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

It's only a "bad thing" for deranged reeealism fangirls, trying to kiss up to cashgrabs around "original dinosaur designs" (that have nothing besides looking weird... ...whoops, "original" and behaving weirdly) and gobble up weird speculative mumbo-jumbo cuz of "originality". It has nothing to do with the creatures desighn, realistically. What's ironic is that JW:D was the last dinosaur media to mention Giga headbuds (a real, documentary level discovery), and not some ridiculous bs like dinosaurs eating bugs. TI just got some folks off teir lazyly thought up comfort zone, or mob mentality/hater impotent cryout.

[@tjarkschweizer]

But why do dinosaurs have to be turned into fictional monsters in order to be scary? That just doesn't make sense.

[@1sobek1]

@@tjarkschweizer Some may think they have to, but i am actually in favor of feathered dinosaurs being scary. In the case of the Isle however, adding feathers to their creatures would purely be a cosmetic choice rather then a lore explanation for their appearance. Even now feathered dinosaurs are relevant in the isle, just not very common atm.

[@tjarkschweizer]

@@1sobek1 Wether the isle's dinosaurs have feathers or not doesn't effect the lore but their designs would be better if they had them. The reason for why they don't is nostalgia bait and that is not a good reason.

[@kade-qt1zu]

​@@filippaustralovenator2.033 This dude has issues.

[@alunaticwithashotgun9840]

In my opinion most of The Isle's designs look great aside froma few of them, ones I dislike are the designs of Spinosaurus, Omniraptor and some parts of the Giga, mainly the armored looking tail and back, and few of the designs I really like would be Allosaurus, Carnotaurus, Ceratosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, Stegosaurus and so on. Not because of accuracy but I do not like edgy monsterified dinosaurs in general.

[@boss_niko]

Man your contents are so interesting and fun to watch. Just love it.

[@creakingskull7008]

For me, the main problem with the isle is that it started with some absolutely top tier 10/10 designs during its early days that were later replaced. If it had started with the design philosophy it has today i doubt as many people would complain

[@solasofselune]

Well. The Isle is a collection of ripoffs from Jurassic Park. Nothing more to say. Dondi should be charged for that in my opinion. Especially as we all know what kind of person he is and what he did to community, private people and game itself. it amazes me that Dondi did not got pulled into the court, yet.

[@Bagelgeuse]

I hope Afterthought drops the Jurassic Park aesthetic entirely in favor of more original designs. If feathers are out of the question, then why not incorporate some of the weird fleshy parts that birds have?

[@randomuser8660]

@@Bagelgeuse Feathers are supposed to be a cosmetic feature down the line Yeah right, I'll have kids by then.

[@Bagelgeuse]

@@randomuser8660 Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

What? Only like 4 designs are rippoffs

[@theoherbin7559]

I found the models and animations from the isle Evrima, absolutely awesome ! take the stegosaurus for example, it's plates are incredibly smoothly animated, they actually follow very smooth physics and gosh, even any dinosaur tails ! Tails are smoothly animated tho and it's satifying to turn around with youre tail following your movements perfectly

[@morgantellez758]

I dont really know if Zaguer really got the point behind Scanova's criticisms, at least not entirely. The main criticism behind scanova's though process wasn't that a portion of the dinosaurs weren't accurste enough, it was that there wasnt a lot of consistency between designs. With the realistic and more speculative designs heavily clashing with the designs that feel like they were ripped straight out of jurassic park. Plus the pteranodon being a whole mess of its own. I think the lore behind that -might- help with that impression if the devs weren't trying to play it so vaguely, but that's just imo. As it is, if someone enters the game and just looks at the roster available, the inconsistency is gonna be a bit of a turn off.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Secondary point. Even if they stayed consistent with one style of being shit they'd still be shit.

[@Sean36745able]

the dinosaurs in the isle are amazing quality, even though they're Jurassic park rip-offs there are still differences, the isle raptor doesn't have pronated wrists and is bare skin. a hybrid between Jurassic park and scientific research.

[@gooser3081]

I will forever stand by that acro's design is shit, you could throw that exact design at literally any catch and I'd believe it was that without batting an eye it looks nothing like an Acro outside of "wow look at that weird hump" but with how goofy TI has their designs, it could just be "over-exaggerated" lmao throw an Acro skeletal over TI's acro design and trust me, it will look nothing like the other

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

Same with the Absentia Additions Acro mod for PoT but I see nothing but praise for that thing. I hate TI’s Acro also, I hope that if its added to Evirma it gets a makeover

[@PackHunter117]

*Actually besides bones sometimes fossilized skin, feathers, even organs are preserved also.*

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

For me, it's like Scanova said in his video on this particular topc. There's some good,and just some bad. My opinion they're just okay overall, with some rare gems like Deinosuchus, and Ceratosaurus. And mostly bad like Utahraptor & Troodon But this video, like all your other videos, excellent and I can't wait for the next one:D

[@tsbro2995]

Hey who did the thumbnail, because I would love to congratulate them. It looks awesome dude

[@XZaguer]

Thank you 😊 I do the thumbnails myself

[@whitefalcon630]

I believe in dinosaur customization and optional feathers, quills cosmetic which in the path of The Isle (pun intended) Is the golden middle road when it comes to indeviduals whether they want to play dinosaurs with feathers or without. With lips or without With guns or without With quills or without With different crest or without change These purely cosmetic options on top of new patterns and colours could bring the Isle back to life with variety.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Not really, pot just made up "sub species" wich is gonna drive dino fans backwards into fantasy with "sub species" soup...

[@SOLIDShift_VI]

YES -- I've always thought exactly this -- The designs serve a narrative purpose but also I think I lot of the designs come down to what the devs this is 'fun' - as well as serving he main narrative aesthetic. And even is the lore is a JP rip-off it's still better than the "yeah there's like 56 dinos on this map from diff era and uhhh. . . they just are" that a lot of the other games have right now.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

No, the narrative purpose sucks and actively works to the designs detriment. Lore doesn't excuse the designs, it's the same mindless cope people use to justify JWs designs.

[@tjarkschweizer]

Actually the "they just are" explanation is superior to any Jurassic Park based lore approach. Trying to explain away the ridiculous premise of these games is not necessary and shouldn't be attempted because things get dumb and unrealistic real quick.

[@SOLIDShift_VI]

​@@troythedeconstructionist1382 Who cares? Again half the designs are probably just for fun. Like OP said you can think the designs are BAD and STILL LIKE THEM. It's okay to like things even if their not perfect. Like I don't have the fuks in me to be an elitist asshole about something as stupid as "the isle's dinos aren't the way I PERSONALLY want them to be" Like, i dunno man - seeth, mald, be mad - not my problem fam - I like the justification of the dinos look the way they do cause they were genetically made and they're evolving into their own-ish thing. . . I'm fine with that -- I don't want to act like a little bitch about it, that sounds like it sucks. Sounds miserable. Sorry if that's your kink, but it ain't mine and that's okay. You can be mad. In fact you can stay mad. ;3

[@SOLIDShift_VI]

@@tjarkschweizer Sure, but lore is fun so-- who cares?

[@tjarkschweizer]

@@SOLIDShift_VI Lore is fun when it's good but the isle's lore is not. It's just stupid.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Given that the intention is to be a sort of hyper scifi jurassic park taken to the extreme kind of setting, I actually quite enjoy the inaccuracies in the dinosaurs. Too many accuracies would imply this to be some kind of nature simulation setting, which it isnt. Unfortunately, a lot of this scifi vibe also hinges on a lot more of the fantastical elements they were planning on adding to the game. The strains, the mutant cannibal things, etc. Things that are not in the game yet for some stupid reason.

[@Potentially_Hacker]

Resident Lore nut here: Apollo Engineering is a medical company, not militech.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Let's be fair they change those details every few years. Just admit Dodi wants to rewrite TLWJP but edgy and "scary'.

[@xemiii]

I get the reasoning behind the in universe designs, but the game doesn't draw much attention to that. I don't feel like I'm playing as a monster when the game is trying to be so grounded and the animals still act like animals. Even with the "they're mutated" concept the designs feel uninspired. Don't get me wrong, there's great designs (teno and cera just to name a couple), but the designs that are just miming JP designs are really tiring. The whole issue kinda extends beyond just the isle; I'm sick of seeing JP knockoffs in most media. If they wanna sell the mutant idea adding more subtle mutations and variation among the roster would be nice. Also the lack on consistency is jarring; omni and hypsi look like they're from completely different universes, and I don't think that's intentional.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

They're supposed to look like that since one's a herb and one's a carn...

[@aidanshowers8366]

I think most of the isles designs aren’t half bad… Except Utahraptor. Dear lord, do I hate this design. It’s not even a Utah it’s just Jp raptor ripoff. The lack of feathers is the biggest turn off for me. Especially since you could take inspiration from birds of prey like the harpy eagle. I normally don’t like being so negative especially when it comes to things I like (such as dinosaurs) but man does this design rub me wrong way. Thank you for reading my Ted Talk rant.

[@dove2826]

Agreed. I love Utahraptor/Omniraptor as a creature itself but I miss how it used to look (although I still had plenty complaints lol). I just wish they'd do something that's not JP!! Also I liked how the arms used to be kinda strong looking with inward facing palms, but of course they changed it to the broken, spindly JP arms. Edit: Also, I've never seen anyone else mention it but why is their run so ugly and stiff?? Or is this just a very unpopular opinion

[@gabrieleurbani7384]

Can you make a video about the lore? Plise

[@SuprememeCeratosaurus]

I for one wish the isle would just stick with a speculative design for the dinosaurs l that would would give a more creative look

[@Forestguardian]

I personally don't mind Jurassic designs especially since the raptor is no longer Utahraptor to make way for a larger and more accurate Utahraptor

[@poobydoo3593]

My only issue with the isle is the leg movements. I hate how high some of their knees go, they look like they’re high stepping. I’m sure it’s only me but it’s the one thing I notice anytime I’ve played 😅 other than that the textures and other animations are good

[@Bowlzeye]

“Monsters in dinosaurs clothing” minmi:👁️w👁️

[@alang.bandala8863]

To be fair, at the beggining I thought the game was a Jurassic Park fanfic but without license

[@LastHandle4574]

I'll always be a sucker at heart for the JP designs, rip-offs or not, and when I was playing the game back in legacy survival and you hear the JP rex broadcast in the distance man does it send a chill up my spine just reminiscing the experience.

[@kade-qt1zu]

As Scanova put it, there are 3 categories: -Realistic Designs -Fictionalized Designs -JP Rippoffs

[@No_name8374]

Yeahh. And while xzauger tried to “justify” the Jp ripoffs it still doesn’t excuse the laziness that went into the Jp ripoffs

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@No_name8374 If you're going to make an innacurate dinosaur design, at least make it original.

[@No_name8374]

@@kade-qt1zu exactly!

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Fictionalized by who's standart?) A few sub par/dead "realistic" games and one late to the party documentary?) Not really an underlining of what JP did for dinosaurs...

[@kade-qt1zu]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033 Magyrosaurus. Also, don't tell me you're one of those kinds of people.

[@dawell19th88]

The main problem I have with their models, is the animation. When I was younger, I loved how cool the dinosaurs looked. Now, we have more dinosaur games and we can compare their animations on how to make a certain dinosaurs unique. And I personally think, I have found that The Isle animations are very wobbly and exaggerated and it bothers me. Yeah they have cool transitions (sliding when stop sprinting, idle animation, eating, drinking or pouncing) but I still feel like the dinosaur is moving so much and exaggerated to make it cooler looking, idk that's how I feel about it.

[@crabhater9373]

What I have noticed is that the dinosaurs have a certain design logic that is mostly followed. The devs will try to find the best traits of both the scientifically accurate depiction of the creature, and the public identity of the creature and blend it into a mix of the two. Some animals have more public identity traits that are cool than scientifically accurate traits, so it depends on the dinosaur involved. For example, the stegosaurus is a somewhat mundane or scientifically accurate version of the creature because there isn't really a reason to be too artistic. The scientific depiction is cool enough, and it doesn't need anything else. Compare that with spinosaurus, a very fictionalized creature. Spino's public image is obviously more influential to the game's community and vision than the scientific version. It can also be interpreted as an intentional or accidental modification by Apollo Engineering. This is the general trend that I have noticed with the creatures afterthought creates. There are occasional attempts to make up random stuff using loose references like magy's neck flesh thing or dilo's pubic hair beard.

[@barhino0954]

You're such a underrated KZbinr keep it up I love your content

[@thegek345]

Dondi has talked about his massive LOVE for Jp and its very easy to see in the game.

[@Tavishburn]

im sorry but people and dondi parade that fact around as if its unique or a crowning jewel of the dev team, what person that plays these games and likes dinosaurs even a wee bit doesnt love jurassic park?

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

@@Tavishburn , Reeealism fangirls and other "original desighn" cashgrab apologists?)

[@Tavishburn]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033 i mean im a paleontology hobbyist and prefer soft realism rules to no rules at all (mixpacking sucks and light body protection rules are fine) and its my favourite movie regardless of inaccuracies

[@eFMe-fk1xh]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033 lol Your obsession about The Isle is unhealthy. We all love the game, but you're so funny. I've been finding your identical comments all over any dino-game video for years.

[@joema500]

@@filippaustralovenator2.033 Why are you writing 'realism' with multiple e's? I've seen you do it a bunch of times, with no context it just makes you look insane lol

[@torvovenator]

I have seen through the years how the art direction changed in some animals. I prefferd the actual style, but we cannot denied some are based in JP. Some are great and other not good. IMHO, the Isle is a mix of Jurassic Park and Resident Evil, specially RE in the strain parts of the dinosaurs

[@deanoliv2880]

I like the designs

[@joshhart4367]

In the lore it's implied that the dinosaurs were historically accurate initally, however due to the harsh environment (and genetic instability due to being manmade) rapidly evolved into monstrosities. To me it makes a certain level of sense that there's inconsistency in the designs for that reason - they weren't intended originally from AE.

[@nitroux6969]

community : its not realistic... its overly monstrous.... devs : well they geneticly modified and mutated :v also devs : we strive for realism

[@kensonplays]

I'm not against the roster, but the developers themselves. They've had some ... interesting moments, as well as having a former pedo on the team (IIRC) which I do not support anymore once that was made known.

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

The entire game was made to spite the dev team that Dondi got booted off of (Primal Carnage). He literally took the story for that game, changed genre of game, and said “I’m gonna make a better game than you guys”. Most people outside of The Isle’s echo chamber of a community see Dondi as a massive joke.

[@gendygoblin8391]

Surprised they didn’t just flip the assets for Primal Carnage if they wanted some monster dinosaur gobbledygook or create an actual Campaign experience if they feel the need to have some lore and story. Just seems like needless fluff that PoT didn’t even bother with since everyone is just there to play as Dinosaurs.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

If dondi could've at the time he would've asset flip Primal Carnage. Instead he settled for the TSL assets before he could butcher that better art direction with his own.

[@R3ar3ntry]

I think its great video, pointing out that theae are monsters in dinosaur skin, there are different media for different reasons, i never though the isle was teying to ever be 100% scientifically accurate, and thats not a diss, i love know about the real animal, but it doesnt effect how i see a game, and like you said in the video, other dino games have more accurate versions of said dinosaur, i play most od the other fames and it doesnt make them better or worse games for me, it's all about the gameplay, isles gameplay freling of each animals movement is flawless, and im not hating on the othe gamrs, i plsy them, Bob, and PoT, been playing them for years, but as fun as they are, and theyre fun games, isle shines in it's own way

[@user-mf5gh3tg1c]

Note that also the media is familiar with those designs meaning they could have ripped off some designs for familiarity. Also yes I’m talking about the JP clones. Utah is literally the velociraptor from Jurassic Park.

[@The_Russian_Spino]

Me personally, I think the evrima spino model is a slightly better looking version of the jp3 spino in my opinion

[@tsbro2995]

minus the iconic paintjob

[@-ArcaneNeegusGaming-]

I personally love that new model of spino 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@applecore4525]

the whole "mutated dinosaurs" is just a coverup for the "bad dinosaur" designs, even tho that's the isle's authentical lore, the game developpement took a way different route, it's basically as if they unofficially scappred the idea. it's been more than 8 years since the isle's first release and we still haven't seen anything of what they promised. that said, i think the isle's dinosaur designs are pretty good, even though people might say some of them are jp ripoffs, for a child that I was around 2019, the fact that i could play a dinosaur that looked like my favorite movie's dinosaur made me jump out of joy. same thing for the tyrannosaurus rex. Another thing i liked about their dinosaur designs, is the theme going around them (skin wise)

[@DarkRoseOwO]

I think the main problem people see with Dino design in isle is the consistency, but as you said, it is explained in the "lore" (funny this game even Has one) and i think some jp "ripoffs" are quite appealing to bigger audience

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Not really. They'd still be shit if tthey stuck to a style of being shit.

[@SilverSabertooth]

I mean, whether or not a design is "bad" is really just opinion-based. Personally, I love The Isle's dinosaur designs! They look unique and really cool. Edit: ooh i was first

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

I dont think at least 3 of them are unique (those 3 being Omniraptor, Tyrannosaurus and Troodon)

[@toniotrussardi8126]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey and ones like alberto and megalania look weird and honestly just plain bad

[@No_name8374]

@@IndominusRex-wc1eytbh Rex is kinda weird sense yeah with its vocals it just sounds like a Jp Rex rip off! But if u actually look at both designs! There is a noticeable difference between the two and while I wouldn’t say the isles Rex is a complete rip off of Jp Rex! I wouldn’t say it’s the most original take on tyrannosaurus either. But yeah Utah is just a blatant rip off of Jp raptors 😂

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@toniotrussardi8126 albertosaurus isn't albertosaurus, it's just morbidly obese sub adult tyrannosaurus Megalania's just an inbred perentie

[@No_name8374]

@@Haema0011 what? Also damn I thought the good animations was the reason everyone cared soo much about the isle :/

[@wintersal449]

I wouldn't say TI Creature design is bad, just inconsistent. Which isn't inherently a bad thing, especially since as far as my knowledge goes the devs never strive for accuracy (cough spino). People praise games like PoT for accuracy (despite them ignoring creatures like Pycno) but bash games like TI where accuracy isn't a focus for lore and gameplay reasons

[@tjarkschweizer]

A lot of people just want dinosaurs. Not some fictional creature that is based on one.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

​@@tjarkschweizergo to play worst combat in a survival game then (path of titans, which also has inaccirate dinos) or go play dead dinosaur game (saurian)

[@tjarkschweizer]

@@ender_z4nd3r83 I wish I could play Saurian but I don't have a PC at the moment.

[@cazterjamessantos3652]

People were still going to cry about it especially with the lore being a "JP ripoff", but the lore could've expanded even more of it like many different variations on every single dinosaurs such as the carno being feathered and the colors were similar that of a cheetah for example or even the troodon had the capability to go and solve man-made puzzles or even obstacles such as a maze.

[@zatsuthedarskarstanian4051]

I dont really care much about the normal dino designs, they look fine for me, sure, but im all about the strained dinossaurs, like the hypos, their design is badass

[@jeromeblackmon2329]

I just wish I didn’t have to drop a crap ton of money on a gaming desktop just to play

[@yamazakura_onna]

the biggest pain im getting is from velo design in legacy.. featherless, cartoony and tiny as hell, barely playable.. and has so much potential if given the design from, for example, prehistoric planet... that would be epic little carnivore

[@dagoodboy6424]

Some are def. The malnirished ones like ptera, overwight acro and jp style dinos like utah.

[@Bagelgeuse]

Acro doesn't look that bad imo. It looks like a less edgy version of JWD's Giganotosaurus.

[@dagoodboy6424]

@@Bagelgeuse and that he took a diet of hotdogs w soda for every meal.

[@Bagelgeuse]

@@dagoodboy6424 Fair.

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

Ptera looks alright to me. Its stylized yes but I think the design is pleasing to look at

[@dagoodboy6424]

@@ReeseasaurusRex it has no muscle and is lanky as hecc. And it taking off like a bird is a sin agiansed pterosaurs. Love thw colors though. Bur even that has an issue in that the one main display THE CREST cant be adjusted for color missed oppertunity

[@FilipeTessaro]

Good! Finally someone that knows, lol

[@blasphemyrumors]

I don't think they're bad, but I'm just extremely tired of dinosaurs media ripping off JP. The Isle is _embarassing_ when it comes to that; the lore, the map, the roster, and the most iconic designs are all copied. They gave their own spin on some of the new ones, and I appreciate it, but for the rest...? I don't even get how could they create a game that is entirely coping an existing franchise. It will only get worse when they'll add humans, it'll basically be a Jurassic World bootleg

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

So can we not have a jungle island themed map without it being compared to JP? Also, its funny that we’re calling it a JP rip off but its confirmed that Dondi actually made TI as a “fuck you” to the Primal Carnage devs.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@ReeseasaurusRex You're on copium. The isle absolutely sold out their own artstyle to copy Primal Carnage is also a JP ripoff in of itself so you relating the two projects because of bts drama is utterly idiotic.

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 can you point out the place where I explicitly defended The Isle? The map’s aesthetic is fine but the quality and optimization of the entire game is absolute aids. And yes, its a rip off of Primal Carnage, I literally agreed with that. I just have a small problem with people calling it a JP ripoff specifically, because the reason for TI’s conception plays heavily into its artstyle and lore. That reason is Dondi being a selfish manchild and wanting to make the same game as the people who “wronged” him, but in a different genre. Also, calling me “idiotic” is unneccessary.

[@ReeseasaurusRex]

Games being similar/sharing a similar premise =/= ripoff. Taking elements of a design style while still making the designs unique =/= ripoff. By that logic, Primal Carnage itself is a JP ripoff, since its about genetically modified dinosaurs escaping on an island. But the gameplay mechanics, map design, and creature design is notably different from that of JP, despite clearly *referencing* the style JP is known for (Tyrannosaurus, Novaraptor, and to some extend Dilophosaurus are the best examples of this). JP is a movie series with its own set of characters, spinoffs, and established lore and designs. So is Primal Carnage. The difference betwern Primal Carnage and TI is that Primal Carnage was not created as a continuation of a project out of spite. The Isle is a direct rip off of PC/PCE due to Dondi’s obsession with making his own version of the game who’s dev team he was booted off of. To make the long response shorter, PCE and TI are not ripoffs of JP, but both games take heavy inspiration from the movie series. TI does it in a much worse fashion. PCE changes the designs to fit their own artstyle and visions for the creatures, while TI just copy pastes them. TI is directly ripping off Primal Carnage because the action is INTENTIONAL.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@ReeseasaurusRex *can you point out the place where I explicitly defended The Isle?* What does that have to do with anything? What your comment seems to be doing is denying the obvious fact that the isle explicitly rips off JP aesthetically. This is very obvious, especially to anyone who played the game when it first released because they actually had their own artstyle back then. *And yes, its a rip off of Primal Carnage, I literally agreed with that.* I might've worded that wrong. The isle isn't a ripoff of primal carnage. The games are very different conceptually. That said the lore and original crfeature designs would overlap because the isle IS a spite project made by an ex primal carnage a.k.a Dondi. That said it's kinda worthless to point that out because primal carnage itself rips off JP. And I'd say the game has pretty crap dinosaur designs. So they should not be emulated anyway. *Also, calling me “idiotic” is unneccessary.* No, it must be done. People do awful things when they forget their place.

[@Nezul]

I'm indifferent, I grew up on Jurassic Park so I knew the inspiration when I saw the dinos. And the story was another really obvious giveaway. Do they fit the theme, yes. Will I slap someone who claims these are realistic, most definitely.

[@v.i.pflame7607]

The isle feels like its trying to hit home with every fan of dinosaurs with their designs, some trying to be accurate, others bootleg JP dinosaurs, and some that just look like a cartoon (austro mostly) but because of it, it feels like they fall flat most of the time though there are some decent ones. For me its mostly subpar with a few select few outliers.

[@HammboneBob]

The way the trike moves is creepy as fuck dude.

[@fransthefox9682]

Pretty sure they came up with the role to justify their bad taste in design, not the other way around.

[@rylandfrederick431]

The main problem I have is that occasionally they will have a accurate dino, if they are supposed to be man-made, then why would it look exactly like it's real life counterpart?

[@fenrirgg]

Nobody knows how real life dinosaurs looked like. Edit: I mean the extinct dinosaurs from 60+ million years ago of course.

[@rylandfrederick431]

@@fenrirgg psittacosaurus? Microraptor? Sinosauropteryx? Your wrong, we have plenty of evidence for how dinosaurs looked, but adding a accurate carno into the isle along with their disgusting magyarosaurus shouldn't happen

[@fenrirgg]

@@dr.archaeopteryx5512 sure 🙄

[@Archosaur_Dominion]

@@fenrirgg birds are in fact dinosaurs.

[@fenrirgg]

@@Archosaur_Dominion yes, but it's obvious what I meant, come on.

[@eclipsedwyvern729]

Alot of people think they are proffessors in these comments , the designs are that way for a reason, remember that the lore of the isle is that dinosaurs where brought back from extinction from the AE corp so some dinos may look accurate and others may needed to have some augmentation needed

[@kade-qt1zu]

It's a lazy excuse they made up so that they don't have to put actual thoughts and effort into the designs. Stop trying to act like some lore expert when the lore is just justification for bad designs.

[@eclipsedwyvern729]

@@kade-qt1zu i aint a lore expert lol, if you have been following development, youde know the basic lore so far , plus i dont get why yall complain so much about the little things

[@Aziruf]

I like how they look and the models are top tier but every year I like fake jurassic park like dinos less and less

[@JDINK]

I’m my opinion there are just a few ones that looks not bad but weird but that’s my opinion, I quite enjoy the majority of the models and with modding I’m turning them into even cooler Dino’s

[@zacharyleon446]

I’m a fan of the isle’s ankylosaurus and megalania

[@Saurygiel]

My largest problem with the dinosaur design is that despite being inconsistent they don't apply this in a way that improves gameplay. In fact, they often focus realism or immersion in regards to their dinosaur designs at the expense of gameplay, despite existing in a setting that allows them to have more creative freedom and despite them already having inconsistency in their designs. The smaller dinosaurs, such as troodon, are a perfect example of this IMO. They are struggling to balance troodon and it's small size poses a lot of issues with it's balance as well as future viability or player interest. However instead of just using their creative freedom within a setting where you can hand-wave stuff with genetic implications and making it larger, they are stubborn about keeping it at a "realistic" size. Same problem occurs with weight values, which is exacerbated ever since weight was made to equal health. They already have inconsistent designs, and they have room to stray from realism to the benefit of gameplay, but they do not and refuse to do so even when it obviously causes problems and complaints from the community. Either be consistent, or make a better game. They need to choose.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Not really a "consistency" problem - since weight can vary if they're human raised. And troo just needs more mechanics wich venom and maybe more claw/bite attacks will fix.

[@mikeoxsmal69]

We just wanted a buff isle spino, not a monster :(

[@bluefinmanta5373]

The problem with the titular question is that the dinosaur designs in _The Isle_ don't all fit into the same boat. While the majority of the creatures we've seen look to fit the part most people expect (and that's including the JP imitations), there are a few that have been shoehorned into a specific vision so different from what anyone outside this game's community expects them to be like, to the point I question why said creatures retain the names of actual dinosaur genera instead of getting renamed into fictional creations like what the devs did with the Utah/omni-raptor. The dinos that come to mind are Beipiaosaurus, Herrerasaurus, Hypsilophodon, and Magyarosaurus.

[@filippaustralovenator2.033]

Likely cuz they're not that outrageous, to begin with. They don't have poisonous scales or other fantasy bs...

[@thetwobros3186]

The only dinosaur model I don't like is Tenonto I feel like it could of been done better

[@darklighttwins2776]

Yes

[@smefour]

People nerding out

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

Alas, the problems with making your most iconic playsbles be direct rips from another, infinitely more popular IP. I'm just going to say [insert generic paleo-accuracy>hyper fictionalization here]

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

The TSL assets they bought were more iconic than their new designs.

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

As far as I’m concerned, accuracy smackuracy, as long as the designs are good and memorable I’m down. The thing you need to get down is consistency, Ark’s designs for all their eccentricities and inaccuracies are very consistent in their art style and design. The Isle should pick a style, be it JP, conservative realism, experimental, speculative and stick with it.

[@Equinox_NZ]

Personally I dont care about any of this "waaa its a JP ripoff" stuff. The dinos look amazing and have probably had more care put into their skins, animations etc than any other game I can think of.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

low IQ 11 year old spotted

[@guilhermepereira558]

Guys if i was the developers i wil remodel the utahraptor and add feathers in him and add lips on the t rex to stop people complainiment about the designs and yes i will add lips on the other canivores

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

english please

[@guilhermepereira558]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 bro im talking english

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@guilhermepereira558 no lmao

[@guilhermepereira558]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 boy you got nothing better to do than piss other people off

[@guilhermepereira558]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 i see you dont have anything to do and make fun pissing other people

[@johncarlodimaano7235]

It depends on the devs that makes them what they are in game representing man made for survival in the modern world or faithful to their prehistoric counterpart,theirs three categories of design that are scientifically accurate, unique and out of place,and you get the obvious Jurassic park rip offs ,but to me i think the dinosaurs designs in the isle are great for what the game is going for .

[@nagari9093]

I don't care what the design look, innacurate or monstrous. As long as the dinosaur are easily recognizable of what they we're actually be.

[@eFMe-fk1xh]

I totally agree. I just don't agree with the video defending the choices as "it's all about genetic experiments, so that's why they look like that". That's BS. I think the devs just don't care and create the dinos as they want. No problem with me, though.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Idiotic and arbitrary standard.

[@zachcook3907]

As someone who likes the more inaccurate designs like utah and troodon, this is basically my entire argument for why they are fine. So, to me at least, this is a very good video. Also due to being well made but hey personal opinion seems to be more important on matters such as this.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

"Monsters in dinosaur clothing" Yeah pretty much and why real dinosaur lovers should give this game a pass.

[@Archosaur_Dominion]

I mean there are plenty of dinos faithful to the real animals.

[@2I000]

As a paleo nerd or “real dinosaur lover” as you call it. I think the isle is the most realistic option we have. Though some of the designs are disturbing and monster-like, they still seem like they could be real animals and that’s what matters to me.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@2I000 Path of Titans blows the Isle out of the water, you aren't really looking.

[@2I000]

@@thenerdbeast7375 I’ve played path of titans, it’s not an immersive or realistic experience like the isle has been for me, at least on the servers I chose. It took the same or similar amount of time to grow a rex as it did to grow a small tier. When the growth times are that close together, there’s no point to play a small creature when you could spend that time growing something powerful. Also every server that has passive growth either has a bunch of game ruining rules, or completely unrealistic mods that take away immersion.

[@2I000]

@Snowy sure bro, rainbow hills is so realistic. Gondwa is pretty but it’s so cluttered and colorful it’s hard to take seriously

[@Goatzillareal]

i see the isle as a jurassic park game lol

[@alienstar2088]

My biggest issue with The Isle designs is their Jurassic Park inspiration. If the lore of The Isle is truly manmade company making Dinosaurs for weapons then, that should be relayed in the Dinosaur models themselves. Make the creatures look sickly and grotesque or like a mismatch of random parts that don't really seem to fit together properly. In my personal opinion though, I'd drop the Jurassic Park designs and actually try something new and inspirational. Dinosaurs are creatures that filled nearly ever niche within their ecosystem and they had many adaptations that aided them in that - take those adaptations and push them to the extreme. For example, Omniraptor is a creature that fights in packs and who's main goal is to find a pack to hunt with, because of this it has an abnormally loud voice so, give it an inflatable nostril cavity or throat pouch to help aid in that endeavor. Ceratosaurus has a bacterial bite so, make the teeth look rotten and the jaws just drooling with green saliva - maybe the bacteria is as bad for the Ceratosaurus as it is for its prey so maybe the Cera's jaws are slowly decomposing. The best way to design Dinosaurs in a setting like this is to take what they are good at and expand on that in their design. If there is something special about the creature, focus on that and make hints for that ability throughout the creature's designs. Dinosaurs were magnificent creatures whom are very closely related to today's Birds so, look at the adaptations Birds have and use that on Dinosaurs; the colors, inflatable sacks, crests, feathers, all of it can be molded with a Dinosaurs design to not only get a good Dinosaur design but a more interesting one as well.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

Following the lore would be dumb. Conceputally the lore is very shallow and practically speaking it barely even exists. Even the devs know it's secondary to the decisions they make for the game. So it's foolish to take them seriously. The game should have stayed with and improved upon the aesthetics it had in 2016.

[@alienstar2088]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 Even the aesthetics they had in 2016 were too JPark for my liking. I'd rather see original and weird designs for these animals as opposed to some second hand JPark knock-off.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@alienstar2088 apart from the JP rex remodel, which I don't consider part of the original isle's aesthetic since it's the first move away from that mode, I don't see any of those design being very JP

[@alienstar2088]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 Spinosaurus is a roided out monster, the Raptors are giant and featherless, Troodons have venom - all things that JP is known for in their designs of those Dinosaurs. Every Dinosaur in the game so far has an air of JPark with their skin wrapped, scaley design.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@alienstar2088 None of those existed in pre-progression during 2016, which was the period I was refering too. Y//'d know this if y// had read my comment.

[@gendygoblin8391]

I like the concept of their genetic mutations making them into weird chimera but they really couldn’t do anything more visually interesting with that? I get the lore reasons but the end result is undeniably unoriginal. The Gali just looses feathers and changes behavior specifically to emulate JP? The Utahraptors just happen to loose their feathers and gain the bone structure of another fictional dinosaur series? Come on! The Rex at least sounds more visually interesting with some real world basis in its design to make it feel more dynamic.

[@thescorchingpteranodon7986]

Yeah, they are just copy pasted from JP.

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

The Isle is my favorite Jurassic Park game.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

The isle is my favorite cock and ball torture simulator

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Yes, there I just saved everyone a video.

[@titanosaurdy9493]

Although some of these dinos are pretty much rip offs from JP, they are still good regardless.

[@snorreandersen2900]

Yes. Next.

[@clevertroodon6396]

People most not forget that the isle devs are making a "new" Utahraptor, that is more acurate. Thats why they renamed the old one for "Omniraptor"

[@Bagelgeuse]

I'll probably have kids by the time they make a new Utah.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

They legit pulled a "oh shit, this model's representation if its genera is objectively ass, let's make it a completely fake dino rather than actually fixing our anatomical mistakes" which was a decision which only added to the horrible roster creep that The Isle's had since Legacy

[@clevertroodon6396]

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey well, they will be different to each other, not only in looks. The omni wil be faster than the real utahs, but the real utahs gonna be stronger, more hp and sligthly bigger.

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

@@clevertroodon6396 so Utahraptor's PvP scene is going to be cerato-lite or pachy-lite, cool

[@kade-qt1zu]

​@@clevertroodon6396 Can't they just add Dakotaraptor into the game instead of creating an entirely fictional species.

[@MasterSwisher]

No

[@thepredator4207]

I personally love the designs in this game. I feel anyone who wants a very "Accurate" game can go play Saurian. Ultimately I feel the people who don't like The Isle designs have issues with the Devs more than the actual game. One can say it is a JP rip off but the Devs have always been open, especially in the past, that they wanted their JP Rex and it only makes sense to have some that are familiar to well known cinema to draw in people and I feel they do that wonderfully. I also believe they have reached and pasted their goal of having the best looking dinosaurs in any media but that is obviously biased on my end as well. I think if you enjoy the game great but if you don't then play something else. Stop trying to push this idea that if it's not accurate then it's not good. People should be happy that we get games that have differing visual flare. But again, I'm just annoyed again with people I feel have issues with the Devs and not the actual game.

[@Val-hz3fc]

Wait, so... The Isle's lore is just a Jurassic Park ripoff? I mean I'm not surprised but... I am disappointed.

[@Lightclaw]

Yes and no. There are similarities- A company makes dinosaurs on multiple islands. One, AE, actually makes them for Medicinal reasons- the other, InGen, for children as a park. And then something bad happens. Both companies' actual reasons, motives, uses and story are very different. AE are very "God complex" fixated- hence their name "Apollo" (after the Greek God, Apollo). Their whole naming scheme is one of Greek Mythos. AE also make genetically modified/created Humans (both Tribals and Gen2s- originally known as Mercs. But they are no longer Mercenaries).

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@Lightclaw Don't listen to this freak, it absolutely is a JP ripoff. Even a JWD ripoff in some ways. The "lore" is just a way to hype up 13% of a cliche ass story.

[@AnAntarcticScotsman]

​@@troythedeconstructionist1382The fuck is with the insult's?, Lightclaw isn't wrong and likely has the most knowledge about the Isle's lore than any other person besides the main Devs.

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

@@AnAntarcticScotsman Actually I suspect he has even more knowledge on the lore than the devs. Which is the crux of the issue.

[@Lightclaw]

@@troythedeconstructionist1382 lol

[@thecommycompy5450]

the just have some really really bad ones, but it's only a couple the rest go from mid to good and then there's a handful of bests

[@Winterfellen]

The only thing that's bad about the isle is the developers. The game will never release

[@troythedeconstructionist1382]

that and every other aspect of the game.