Is This Chinese Bike An MT07 KILLER?

[@yammienoob]

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[@brandonwalker6781]

U guys always lambaste the spec sheet warriors and then completely FAP a Chinese made bike off of spec sheets and a Sunday drive in the park. Lol. 😉

[@GuteInk]

who ever wins these bikes ? 😤

[@melissatylera]

They have been available in Australia for years, so we have a bit of experience with them I have a 2017 650nk, that I daily ride. I have nearly 40,000 kms on it with zero issues. I've raced it, toured big miles, commuted daily, riden offroad, anything you can imagine. They are just good bikes for a good price, I love mine!

[@callumodonnell5546]

I found the 650nk to be the most unstable bike, for its weight and size, at slow speeds. The 2015 650nk my friend had was a nightmare to do U-turns; that ended up being the main reason he sold it, tired of laying her down in tight streets.

[@melissatylera]

@@callumodonnell5546 they updated in 2017, but I find the slow speed stability just fine.. I love it around town

[@SimonBrisbane]

Must have gotten a Tuesday machine. The forums tell a different story. BTW, good luck when it’s resale time..

[@melissatylera]

@@SimonBrisbane resale time isn't an issue. I've got my use out of it, even if it blew up completely today I'd be happy... And the forums only have issues with the electrics on the early models. After 2017 they are great bikes., Sorry you don't have an open mind.

[@bjorntappe4139]

@@callumodonnell5546 yeah sure.. its the bike not the rider.. -.-

[@Holmaaron]

“I love the clutch feel” *insert b roll of grabbing the brake*

[@Dmn0PT]

Best part 🤣

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@MrUrrl]

Lol

[@M5S]

🤣 Also noticed

[@chrisgallucci4093]

I loved when they were talking about the bike they were on but calling it the wrong bike.

[@stevethecross2727]

Nice bike but I think the $1,000 more for the Yamaha and it's quality and track record of reliability is worth the extra.

[@shauns5278]

For a newer rider though that gap will be even larger MT-07's have an insane insurance rate. A new rider could be looking at $800+ for basic coverage while the CFMoto's have the benefit of being an unknown commodity and not having squids flipping them raising the rates yet.

[@kuroshrashidzadeh2973]

nice, you guys get the mt-07 cheap, in Mexico it costs $12,000.00 USD vs $8,500.00 USD of the CFMOTO 700

[@Struwdog8281]

And you don't support a communist country that suppresses people's freedoms in the process.

[@adamriese3610]

+ parts + dealers + selling ....

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

Plus you don’t have to tear apart a Japanese bike then reassemble it with proper torque specs and thread locker 😂….literally every Chinese bike is an outdated clone put together by 12 year olds in a factory with suicide prevention nets.

[@Photo_Cyclist]

Tbh the reviews the reviews we really need when talking about Chinese brands or heavily Chinese-reliant manufacturers (like Benelli here in Italy or Brixton) should be more the "CF700 20k miles review" kind rather than "whoa these bikes are shiny new and I love how they feel". The problem with these Chinese brands is _how long_ they last and whether what you're saving is really worth all the trips to the mechanic afterwards.

[@charleswidmore5458]

also geo restricted sound like 'Sorry, I can't ride today. My bike account was hacked and I have to pay $400 to get rid of the ransom ware so it will start....' kek. also good luck getting parts if ANYTHING happens in chy na. they look like teeny tiny girl bikes and super uncomfortable to ride.

[@chrispekel5709]

I have a 5 year old 640nk, going strong every day with zero issues. 25,000kms

[@gregorymosher8319]

My mechanic told me straight up. "I'll work on anything except for Chinese bikes." After that I realized if he didn't want to work on them, neither would I.

[@daveinwla6360]

@@gregorymosher8319 - Was the mechanic's choice for political or mechanical reasons? I can imagine having strong feelings about both aspects.

[@chantakzee]

I'm riding Benelli Imperiale 400, 18k km in and so far so good, minor nicks and niggles like sensor failing that warrants a trip to the dealer but its all fixed under warranty. Heavy little bastard though.

[@michaelryan3818]

I picked up the sport version a few months ago. I love it. My previous bike was a 2001 R6 a decade ago and I didn't want anything that crazy. The CLX sport checked every box I wanted. It's not the fastest bike on the road(tops at 125 mph), but it's light and flickable and perfect for the CO mountain roads here. And sounds vicious with my knock off SC Project exhaust lol. If you're curious about them, definitely check CFMOTO out.

[@aerternaeaerumna5158]

It's decent, nice, and heavy. Complete opposite of the R6 you had before, but definitely a good switch if you want something tamer

[@ikester2729]

Yes I just picked one up and it’s everything I could imagine! The tech, cruse control, and how eco and sport more feels great!

[@PhilthyHorseRacing]

Will this hurt the big 4? Probably not but I hope it makes them THINK it will and thus step up their game. I sat on a few CF models yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. Let's see a real head to head, not a press event (awesome you guys got invited).

[@wargolemx102]

CFMoto is hurting the big 4 a lot in Asia. A 300cc CFMoto is less than a hundred dollars cheaper than a Yamaha R15 V3 or a Honda CBR150R V4. An R15M or R15 V4 is even more expensive. Insane.

[@PhilthyHorseRacing]

I can't speak outside the US but brand recognition and loyalty play a big part here and CF hasn't built that yet.

[@wargolemx102]

Oh, sure. What im saying is they're already building it now. They've been here for like, 3 years or something now, and they seem to be the best choice among the chinese brands. They've proven how far they reliability is. The big 4 DESTROYS CFMoto bikes on a cc vs cc comparison for specs and reliability, but the price difference is too insane. Most would settle for a cheaper bike with less reliability as long as that unreliability isnt too much. CFMoto seems to have hit that sweet spot. I don't own a CFMoto, but Im a rider in Asia, so word goes around.

[@Cabooseified]

Oh when the CFmoto 800 Adventura comes out in the US that is going to be a battle cry against the big 4. It's already upsetting them and other mid weight adv bike makers. Really well spec'd for $10k and a proven power train.

[@jaycenferreira7186]

Thanks for the awesome content, I've seen these and been very interested in CFMOTO for a smaller bike option.

[@SkinPeeleR]

The Chinese are doing the same as the big four did in the 60ies. Building cheap reliable bikes. And every year and model the quality wil be better and better.

[@Motoboo_Marine]

I like the thing Josh did where he talked about the bike while riding it, but from a third-person view. Really showcases the ergonomics, as well as general maneuverability. Please do more of that!

[@evanneiswanger]

Did somebody pass gas at 4:57? 😅

[@Rakshan.Poojary]

lmao!

[@halffastmiata4781]

I was just about to ask the same 😂

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe they did it out of Spite 😆 Very professional to not break character though.

[@jimmiej3924]

🍑💨

[@ultramega72]

Omg. I heard it.

[@arvin6606]

One of my friend is an owner of smaller cc CFMoto, he did a full disassembly of it and we're very surprised how good the build quality was (comparable to true european bike). The only drawback was the engine was very limited by the ECU compared to other brand, so i recommend you to tune it to get a bit more out of it.

[@montyarbis2321]

Finally Yammie caught on with the CF Moto wave. Ive owned a Heritage for more than a year now and still very happy with it. I LOVE IT!!!!

[@lcgiv4u]

CF moto is partnered with KTM btw. Have a friend working at KTM in China and they have a conjoined factory

[@eriksentell4973]

Combine that with KTM licensing the LC8 engine to CfMoto... Could be good. My understanding is that on the 650's (nk, MT/ADVentura) the engine is built from the plans given to them by Kawasaki's ER6N (and bored out to 700cc here). What really makes them *not* race bikes is the weight. This is both a blessing and a curse. Depends on the wind, I suppose.

[@lcgiv4u]

@@eriksentell4973 I believe the 400 they use is a Kawasaki block as well (many companies like Kymco use this one). There are only a few fully Chinese designed engines I know of (Benda is releasing a few) and they are usually heavy low output twins, and the occasional inline 4 (QJ 600) I heard about one V4 coming along but only making 40kw in released specs... Benelli/QJ is also a mutual production case like KTM and CF. It is hard to nail down where exactly some engines come from originally.

[@MagWire8]

I bought a 700clx heritage after a lot of research. I test road the 650nk and the 700clx. I come from a Harley background and I was very impressed with the fit and finish on these bikes. O chose the 700clx over the 650nk because the 700 had more power and was super smooth. The 650nk was super buzzy at higher RPMs. I have been extremely pleased with the bike. I have a around 700-800 miles on mine and commute 64 miles round trip for work on 2 lane highways with major western Kansas winds and I love this bike. I got hurt at work over a month ago and haven’t been able to ride since or is have way more miles on mine. Also cruise control is another reason I chose the 700clx over the 650nk.

[@schwarzermond6033]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve been waiting for someone to mention the use of the cruise control and overall ownership experience. Hope you have a speedy recovery so that you can enjoy it more.

[@MagWire8]

@@schwarzermond6033 thanks man 👍

[@daveinwla6360]

Is there an English language shop manual available so a DIY owner can do maintenance? How is the cost of things like air and oil filters? Do the 700cc bikes have DOHC cams with under-bucket shims that are hard to get to for valve adjustments?

[@ac2-rm141]

What is killing the MT 07 (and many other sport bikes) is that there are few available for purchase.

[@ritwik0]

This. I was looking forward to buy one but then their website lists Mt-09 for sale here in India but not he Mt-07. Which is weird given the demographic.

[@ballzmckgee3167]

Had to drive 5 hours for my 2022 mt-09

[@umbrellasecurityforces1074]

Yeah, there are exactly 2 used MT07 for sale within a 150 mile radius of me (southeastern United States). Private seller, 2019 with low miles, asking price is $6900 (nice) which is pretty absurd given how much it runs for new. Then again, a local dealer is trying to get $15k a new 2022 MT07. A used dealer model is a 2018 with 21k miles, asking price is also $6900.

[@ballzmckgee3167]

@@umbrellasecurityforces1074 I paid retail price for my 22 09, like 10500 idk who thinks they can charge 15k for an 07 but they're insane..

[@bryanvullers1022]

This is a huge issue indeed, I ordered my mt-07 in april of this year and it was expected to be delivered in september/august. They called and said its gonna be January/March/February 2023. Wich really sucks. I mean i have beater bike in the mean while but thats a long time to wait.

[@MikeeLeeLing0118]

They could remap it for free at the dealer, they will remove the restriction of power in the lower rpms so it can be linear. They made it that way for beginner riders.

[@daveinwla6360]

What country are you in?

[@Beanerds]

Exactly like I have done with my 2017 650NK , in the older versions 2015 -2019 with the Ducati ECU all you do is remove the throttle stop on the inlet and you go from 50hp to 70+ hp , yes the dash flashes the TPS light when you open them up ( 2 long and 5 short flashes about every 5 minutes ) but thats not a problem , you can't do this with the newer 650NK's because the Bosch ECU has a brain fart and will shut down ! .

[@einherjar2545]

This is the second video were there's a fart sound right in the middle of someone talking. What's up with that?

[@schwarzermond6033]

They might be nervous during recording. Things like this do happen ya know lol.

[@einherjar2545]

@@schwarzermond6033 i say it’s the sound guy!! 😂

[@markymarknj]

Guys, I saw a clip of someone doing a wheelie on the 650 ADVentura, so I hope you all will do a video on that soon. I looked at the ADVentura, and I was impressed. For less than the base price of its Big Four competition (Kawasaki Versys and Suzuki Vstrom), you get a nice bagger (with removable bags) with an adjustable windshield. The quality of the switchgear was better than expected. CFMOTO offers a LOT for the money! Their bikes, ATVs, and UTVs offer standard features that are options on other marques. Should the Big Four be looking over their shoulders? Yes, definitely.

[@Cabooseified]

They are basically a fully loaded Versus 650. Same engine and frame. The head tech at the local dealership put Metzler's on it and took it off roading and relayed that it's actually really good. CFmoto just released this week that they are bringing the 800MT to the US next year, I highly advise you look at it. I put my name down for the first one coming to the dealership and plan on putting a deposit down. Well specd and optioned for the price.

[@Libertà_sulla_vita]

Thats what slave labor gets yeah.. all in all chinese engineering stolen or not has came a long way.

[@GardenBoy4U]

My very first bike back in 2011 was a CFmoto V3 and I LOVED IT!!! I’ll always have a place in my heart for that little Automatic 250cc starter bike. I remember feeling so cool riding around and always got lots of attention, blaring the MP3 player through the stock stereo system. Loved it.

[@Cabooseified]

I test rode this bike at a demo event with a bunch of other dudes and we all agreed this thing is well worth the price. One of the guy's bought one on the spot. This thing is seriously connected and fun.

[@silkmonkey]

Think it would be too gnarly for a first bike as a bigger (6'1, 210) rider?

[@Cabooseified]

@@silkmonkey definitely, when the torque curve and hp come on it will rocket you. Way too much for a first bike but, their 650 could be a good first bike. It's a Kawasaki 650 with just a tiny bit less HP and torque. It's smooth and not as abrupt while also being able to do highway speeds.

[@chrispekel5709]

It's fine for a beginner, there really isn't much difference between it and the 650 as it just a slightly larger version of the same engine. They're not race bikes, you'll be fine if you are careful

[@Cabooseified]

@@chrispekel5709 out of curiosity have you test rode either of these bikes?

[@BLMann]

@@silkmonkey I'm buying one next month as a first bike. I'm 6' 225lbs.

[@DeeoMaika]

The review was a bit confusing. They open by hammering on the engine and the wierd mapping and then end with "it's a great and smooth engine". Which one is it? I'd love to hear what Yammie has to say about this bike. Pity he didn't get to ride it.

[@Whitney_Does]

Josh explains that he was treating it as a race bike and noticed a wonky engine mapping, I on the other hand never experienced that and only experienced it’s smoothness 🤷‍♂️

[@SimonBrisbane]

So it’s inconsistent. Good old fine tolerance Chinese lumps. See Fortnine’s recent video on engine oil quality from different manufacturers. I wouldn’t touch CF Moto with your money.

[@DeeoMaika]

@@SimonBrisbane Maybe. But to set the record straight, CFMOTO bikes were nowhere to be found in North America when Fortnine did that video. Let's not lump everything together. I've heard good things about cfmoto.

[@SummitCoyote]

@@SimonBrisbane no. you can be nonlinear and still smooth. What he was describing was a slower buildup to power and then the power coming on more quickly within a particular power band depending on the mode. This isnt anything new nor is it necessarily a negative thing. It merely approaches peak power faster the closer to the peak power band you get instead of increasing at roughly the same amount until you get to that peak power. Looks more like a bell curve than a linear equation. that is all

[@teej1987]

​@@SimonBrisbaneignorance on your part

[@MettoDdrummer]

Bought the heritage 5 weeks ago.. My first bike and now 5 weeks later, I got the license! I fell in love with it just based by looks and the first time I took it out then it was the -Comfort -sound (stock.. STOCK SOUND) -power -Easy to maneuver Just going to the store is such a feeling with this one and i've been driving the MT-07 & 09, Different triumph bikes, 650's, 1200's harleys, choppers.. I'm in love with this one, and because it's so new and unknown EVERYONE askes questions and my bike buddies hate it because I usually get the all the looks and not them with their R1:s. Got poor buying this bike, and getting the license (Sweden) but i'm happier than ever, money doesn't have ANY value if what you do gives you happiness and joy. Thank you Yammie for uploading this because I was so unsure about if what I felt was correct, everytime I explained about what CFMOTO is and all it was nice, but as soon as I said Chinese then I got the look of disgust.. Anywhoo time to enjoy one ride, poor but genuinly happy.

[@dearbulls]

Hello Yammie. What kind of phone mount would work on the CLX 700 Sport? The grip room on the sport seems to be pretty crowded and won't leave enough room for the clamp type quad lock. But will the stem mount be compatible? It seems the fork stem bolt is in different shape from most other bikes with clip on bars.

[@LunringNassar]

"Flew us out" Yeah thats the moment where your good opinions on this bike doesnt count, youre paid to say nice things to it.

[@evs8383]

I dunno about y’all but I can’t really get behind these chinese bikes because of quality, longevity, and parts/service support; but part of me is glad that they exist to keep the big brands on their toes.

[@MagWire8]

Except they produce some of the smaller displacement bikes for husqurvarna and KTM since I think like 2018

[@evs8383]

@@MagWire8 that’s where I’ve got another problem with the big brands…I’d prefer brands like Honda to still make all their bikes in Japan or maybe even Thailand. I’m just not a fan of everything being manufactured over there in china. Just my 2¢.

[@MagWire8]

@@evs8383 I agree for the most part. But I won’t by junk wether it’s from China or the USA. I’m a heavy equipment tech so quality in tools is important cheap quality tools don’t last but quality and price do not always go hand in hand.

[@evs8383]

@@MagWire8 oh I definitely agree…I don’t care if it’s made made in the USA but it’s crap I.e. some older craftsman ratchets. I much prefer my Taiwanese made pitsburgh pro stuff from harbor freight. I’m not a professional mechanic so I don’t need Mac, Snap On, or Matco. I just generally would like to see more manufacturing come back here to the states, the Japanese brands keep it japan etc. I think everyone has gotten too comfortable with manufacturing stuff in china which I think can be related to why we have so many chinese clones of all the Honda motors and clone XR50s,70s, etc.

[@MagWire8]

@@evs8383 same here!

[@xrREAL]

The value proposition is even bigger for the Adventura. $6800 including paniers and hand guards, whereas you're looking at about $9000 for a base line vstrom 650 or versys 650. Hell, even a CB500X is $7200. Definitely an enticing option.

[@aaronlevy4897]

I bought a 650 Adventura and it's awesome.

[@Nick-Edwards]

Yeah don’t get me wrong those cafe bikes are cool, but I am most interested in the adventure one too. For the price, nothing beats it! Thought about getting a KLR but this seems like a way better option.

[@TobanSutton]

I have a 2021 CF Moto 300NK as a first bike, I am now upgrading. It has been amazing to learn on. I test drove other naked bikes and felt there wasn't too much of a difference. The extremely low price for a brand new bike was a deal breaker as I didn't have much funds at the time. I'm happy to see CF Moto break the US market. The parts have improved immensely in recent years deriving from KTM dukes and new Bosch electronics.

[@Big_DT]

Whitney and Josh, thanks for the content and reviews of the bikes. Keep working on it, you're getting better and better with every segment.

[@ForzaOwnz]

I bought one of the first year 2013 cfmoto nk650 (restricted) in Australia for $2,500 AUD (1700 or so USD back then when I bought it second hand in 2018) It's been an absolute blast! There has been absolutely no complaints on my end. I even got the bike unrestricted and it's been even more fun. Honestly can see myself staying on this one for a very long time No issues with anything so called "Chinese parts". Everything has kept up to what you would expect from any other premium brand From what I've seen they have just gotten better and better

[@ritwik0]

When you get a 650 for 1700usd who would complain?

[@chicagoui9299]

How do you know they're really reliable if they're brand new

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

They’re not. Child labor isn’t known for quality workmanship

[@DeeoMaika]

They are brand new in the USA. This planet is bigger that Texas.

[@mariogomes7698]

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 You will be surprised how many models of the big 4 are made in china

[@teddy3967]

@@localenterprisebroadcastin5971 cfmoto makes the ktm 790 engine

[@teddy3967]

@@HardcoreSlot cfmoto has also been selling atvs in North America since 2002 and they have a track record of reliability in the atv world

[@foggy561]

Glad your reviewing this bike. Tested it out in the beginning of summer and I wasn't interested in buying it to be honest. I wanted to see how much bike for the low price tag

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Great video!! It was awesome to get to ride and hang out with y’all in Minnesota!

[@westernrezu158]

I’m a new rider and literally bought one last weekend. Loving it so much so far. 🥰

[@MrPatspp]

Aye! How's everything going after a year, mate?

[@franzb69]

in my country cfmoto actually lets you remap them, they actually take the bike in and they'll remap it for you for free to get a better throttle response

[@P0rtlandbear]

I remember when UK bikers in the 1970s dismissed the 'Big 4'as Jap Cr*p, the rest is history.

[@jc670207]

We are slow to recognise that we are living in the era of what historians will call the Chinese Empire. Look at what they have achieved since the 1950’s. They have invested globally. Their long term planning is all about owning and controlling international assets.

[@ikester2729]

Yes I just picked one up and it’s everything I could imagine! The tech, cruse control, and how eco and sport more feels great!

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

This is peak Yammie Noob. Weird motorcycle 🏍 shit that is quite engaging, interesting and extremely relevant.

[@MJFUYT]

Excellent commentary. Thanks for sharing. I'm making my purchase(22 CFM 700CL-X) before 2023. 💯

[@notyourpapa]

At the start of the video thoughts were engine was weird, sluggish and jerky. At the end it was smooth and lots of power and usable rpm. Which one is it? Also why say it's reliable? How do we know?

[@Situationdevelopment]

It's a Chinese company... The literal CCP runs it, I'm pretty sure they had to say that crap.

[@notyourpapa]

@@Situationdevelopment maybe. I know a few people with cfmoto atv's and they seem fine. Be interesting to see when the real reviews come out. They are for sale here in Canada already.

[@GIJOE573]

In my experience child laborers aren't worth their salt when it comes to quality control

[@GearHeadGeeks]

That was a very useful video. Good job. I have seen a couple of those bikes and they look really good.

[@zero_stars]

This is nothing but positive for the market. More choices, and it makes the slacking big four pick up the pace. 4:57 my man just soiled his pants lol

[@chrisorange5053]

This is the only reason I am in the comments section, I'm like did I really hear that!!

[@carsandbricks442]

💩

[@Chestwolf]

I bought a new 2021 MT-07 in March (hit by a drunk driver 2 months later, but she's almost fixed) and I started getting ads for the CLX700 and honestly loved the way it looked. No buyers remorse though, insurance said with inflation an MT-07 is worth $13k right now. No idea how but I'm not arguing lol.

[@shauns5278]

Progressive by chance?

[@Chestwolf]

@@shauns5278 it's a company called Pekin. I had never heard of them. The agents I spoke to are based out of Illinois but a buddy of mine said they were a bigger, nationwide company but idk of them myself.

[@shauns5278]

@@Chestwolf Yeah I have never heard of them either but I know Progressive uses NADA and the current market value got almost $9K for my 17 FZ-09 I paid $7200 for

[@irishtrash5]

Honestly, need to see an "on the road" review, like you said, you couldn't really put them through their paces, and let's be honest, that's what we're all looking for here.... Lol!

[@VerizeHavoc]

Love that y'all have started showing of the CF Motos. I want to see more of the 300nk and 650nk.

[@alizadarmz]

I am so glad this channel is doing reviews of CF Moto lately! next up bring some Benellis from China for comparison

[@anthony66619]

Papa Yams.. Killing it!

[@adamakins9748]

I wish them well, However I am still very happy that I reserved the only MT07 my dealer is getting, although the delivery date got pushed back to September

[@masterjanglez]

10 years of not riding and I just bought (8/5/22) the 700 Heritage version I absolutely love it! It has been a great re-entry bike. I'm just shy of 6ft tall and it is extremely comfortable. I will agree that the "sport" mode is a little unusual and not as smooth as I'd like it, but damn does it go at that 6500-7000 rpm range. Going 65 on the hwy in 6th, it has plenty of room to pass with ease. This is definitely something the big 4 should be keeping an eye on. Can't beat it for the price!

[@fdub301]

How do you feel about it now?

[@jamiekirkpatrick96]

Damn Spite and Yam looking great these days, look at those luscious locks on Yams ol' dome!

[@benthayermath]

Josh and Whitney have a nice dynamic. I think the business model of doing review videos in pairs works really well, it's like Socratic dialogue about a motorcycle 👍

[@Sc650rider]

I’m excited to see you guys flying the newbies out for a test ride. Sounds like an awesome place to work if I ever come to Texas expect to see my application!

[@dw0095]

3:35 "I love the clutch feel on this thing".. shows brake lever being pulled 🤣

[@dgphi]

Maybe the editor doesn't ride.

[@scrub_trash6680]

I see lots of reliability praise in the comments but all this positive talk and all these channels making videos on these bikes and talking about how amazing they are is a new thing. Ive seen videos for years made by owners saying they break constantly and are beyond cheap. Im very concerned that this channel has such a glowing review. It is the 1st time i question my the the integrity of this channel. "They didnt pay us" literal next line = thank you cf moto for our all expenses paid trip to film content. Pfft sure bud

[@jakenoreau2686]

Just saw a bunch of these partially assembled in crates at my local big dealership... Cool to know what I was looking at! They seem like they might really be something for the big 4 to be worried about

[@daveinwla6360]

What country or state do you live in?

[@cote94]

Is this at the highway safety course in St. Cloud? Looks like the St. Cloud prison in the background that’s across the highway from it. If so, I work at the power sports dealer about a mile south from there! Neat to know you guys were possibly right down the road!

[@FlyLikeRedBull]

I'm so happy you guys are looking into cfmoto. I almost got one instead of my r6 so now I'm gonna get a papio or 300nk just for around town sense they are a stupid good deal

[@simpatiko2k5]

I have the Sports, and I replaced the clipons with that one on the Heritage. Now my arms and back are more relaxed now. The problem I have right now is the speed sensor error. My local dealer here in the Philippines can't resolve the issue until now.

[@dearbulls]

Do you think the sport would be better for bigger size riders? As you've mentioned, it got wider seat. Being 6'2" and 300 lbs, I had to upgrade the seats on all my bikes to wider ones so my butt doesn't hurt.

[@AKn4lf]

I have been waiting for you do this review die too long

[@randallamik3230]

Most info I have found is not in English. Nice to have a review I can understand. My Spanish isn't good enough to listen to quick talking reviews.

[@lcgiv4u]

Living in China for five years (leaving soon), riding here for two ( QJ-Benelli 500) . My buddies said not to get this bike because of the electronic throttle delay. Majority of the Chinese reviews say the same. Sounds similar to the complaint with the trident 660 throttle. I like the looks; Chinese bikes use lots of LEDs… and it is, or maybe was now, the cheapest Brembo equip bike here with the sport package (but the regular has better colors imo). (Edited after finishing the video 😅)

[@slifer1002]

The issue is with eco mode, once it’s in sport it does exactly what you ask of it.

[@lcgiv4u]

@@slifer1002 Cool. That seems like a huge complaint here, so it’ll probably be addressed in the next model year (or ECU mapping). I think they have a lot to go with using their KTM derived twins

[@MagWire8]

I have a 700clx and I have zero complaints about the throttle. I put it in eco in town because sport mode the throttle is touchy.

[@DeeoMaika]

@@lcgiv4u The 693cc parallel twin on this has nothing to do with ΚΤΜ though. You're thinking the CFMoto 800MT with it's 790 engine.

[@lcgiv4u]

@@DeeoMaika From what I’ve heard this is a modified and detuned LC8c engine. I’ll have to get back to you when my friend at KTM China gets an answer at work Monday haha He did say all large engines (above 650) CF uses are KTM based, but he is in the off-road department, so not too familiar with the dukes and CF bikes. The 650 and 400s are from older Kawasaki blocks. Not sure about their 250s and smaller.

[@three33three33]

Tried one of CFMOTO's motorcycle and not gonna lie, it's actually great. It's just that they're new to the game and we got this made in China stigma but over all the bike's great and this will also challenge the competition in favor to us consumers.

[@chrispekel5709]

Not new to the game, just new to the west

[@SimonBrisbane]

It’s still a B grade machine. Your money, your choice.

[@chrispekel5709]

@@SimonBrisbane you always get what you pay for. You think you can get a Japanese or German build ultra quality machine for this kind of price new? Get real buddy.

[@nickolaslewis4416]

@@SimonBrisbane 1/2 of the recent year's bikes from the major manufacturers are made in obscure locations (ie Thailand). Heck even HARLEY has bikes built in China now lol. Country of origin no longer carries the merit it once did.

[@terrybrooks7140]

Had a real close look at cf moto in UK 40 years of spanner work in my life and the verdict no thank you!

[@MrPatspp]

Based on what?

[@terrybrooks7140]

🤔 40 years of experience in how things are put together and taken apart I'm not taken in by some shiny plastic you need to look deeper.

[@MrPatspp]

@@terrybrooks7140 I was honestly asking for facts on your 40 years experience. Any to share for people to be aware?

[@MrPatspp]

@@terrybrooks7140 I was honestly asking based on what? If you can share what you saw as fact to others would be great

[@MrRodwatson]

I understand our addiction to Chinese cheap "stuff".... I am not immune to this phenomenon of modern Earth living. However.... I will absolutely draw the line - deep and wide- on buying a Chinese motorcycle. This is way past my limits. Sorry....NOT SORRY.

[@sethlozeau2962]

I like the 700CLX. I like it enough where I’m thinking that might be the next one I add to my stable. Good bang for buck and it’s comfortable. I can’t believe it’s got over 70hp and cruise control for less than $7K!

[@jamiehithere]

Looked at these bike on there stand at the bike show last year,we were all very impressed

[@LiveToLoop]

Great job on the video!

[@gamzaify]

I bought the 300nk as a beginner rider. For my daily commute. I love it so far

[@nomadicvoyage]

This is a popular bike in my country and they already have community here and they ride all the time, it's a reliable machine as per them with 0 issues. So probably getting CLX sports.

[@ΧρήστοςΜουσιάδης]

Great review 👍🏼

[@nitrogary8998]

I own one of the CLX700 Heritage. Most fun I’ve had on a bike for years

[@schwarzermond6033]

Would you mind sharing: your riding style? 2) current likes/dislikes? 3) Interstate comfort (have you used it’s cruise control)? Thanks in advance.

[@nitrogary8998]

@@schwarzermond6033 I rode her on a 400 mile trip. I’m not sure about the rear fender. That’s only a styling thing. I got the optional taller seat from new. I’m 6ft4in. I love the quirky looks. I actually was going too get an XSR700 Originally. Then saw this. I tend too buy on looks. BT1100 Bulldog. TRX850. Gilera Nordwest. All different from the norm. I can honestly say this is one of the best bikes I’ve owned. I’ve got the Heritage with the single disc on the front with the JJuan calliper. Fasting bike for a 700twin. 120mph. Stops on a dime. Great handling. Odd looking tyres by Pirelli (same as the Ducati Desert sled. grip like shit too a blanket. Had It backing in too a corner. Never felt like it was gonna get away from me. I removed the rubber inserts from rider pegs for better feel. Rubber inserts made it feel “disconnected”. In uk it was just over £6000.

[@rodrigodepazos3771]

I own one too, and I am really satisfied with it. Agile, smooth and brutal when you want. Good grip on the asphalt and allows rolling on dirt roads without problems, I would say that the weak point is autonomy. very enjoyable

[@vadergrd]

the adventure model looks really good!

[@ianpat6526]

im a huge fan mr yammie.. i always watch your vids. . i would highly recommend you to make a content about "the rise of chinese bikes".. theres already a lot of them!

[@MrKillerbeast18]

Would you say any beginners be able to enjoy all the bikes and not get bored?

[@MiGujack3]

Chinese bikes can be pretty good, there are a mountain of options in Europe. It's just... they lack in the post purchase experience and community aftermarket. I would take the MT, because you can sell and get a massive chunk back.

[@moreliquorinmycoffee]

It is very good looking. But what I've noticed with Chinese vehicles, as we get them here on our side of the world. Is they look nice, they come in looking as nice as locally established brands like Toyota and Vw, and they're cheaper. So that's their appeal, is that they look as good as the competition but they're cheaper. But then 3 years later you're no longer seeing them running on the road. Whereas you can see a Toyota from 15 years ago still looking good

[@teddy3967]

Like they said in the video cfmoto makes engines for ktms and those engines last way more than 3 years

[@evanridgway3529]

@@teddy3967 Engines aren't the only part of a bike...

[@bulthaosen1169]

@@teddy3967 it is not the same engine though.

[@teddy3967]

@@bulthaosen1169 it's not the same engine but it's made in the same factory by the same people. Cfmoto is also well established in the ATV world and has good reliability.

[@nottoday4351]

Can find these dirt cheap on the used market pretty tempting honestly.

[@manoloorz]

man josh is really getting good at this whole being a "youtuber/journalist" thing, he is very insightfull, if it wasn't because he says "ah" and "aam" a little too often you wouldn't know he is relatively new in this business.

[@tonysmith7989]

Missed the Triumph give away. The CF Moto looks to be my next bike hopefully. Started with a /94 Suzuki intruder because it's what I could afford in /96. Yamaha has always been my love as I had a black and yellow bicycle with shocks as a kid. Then the next was the absolutely wonderful 2005 Yamaha FZ-1. Still my dream bike. 0 - 97,500 miles before going to the 2015 Yamaha FJ-09. Love center stands on a sporty bike. Fz-1whas more comfortable and would like to get back on one. Just can't find any around here anyone will let go of. Gave up the FJ-09 as had several back surgeries and shattered ankle in 3 spots. Not from bike.

[@hanzgunther]

They practically give you the bike so you can sign over all of your life on the apps terms and conditions.

[@mariogomes7698]

Typical American mentality, like the FBI, CIA, NSA, Google, Microsoft, Apple are not the same or worse. They accuse without evidence, as America said without evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, then we came to know that they did not exist. Not that I approve of what Iraq has done, but this American fear mentality is ridiculous.

[@finnbellFCB]

I owned a 2019 XSR700 and sold it one year later to buy a more classic-looking one (Kawa W800) I love the W800 but miss the XSR like the one that got away. Now that my financial situation is better I was considering buying an old cheap XSR, but these bikes look rad, maybe a pull the trigger on a new one instead.

[@rudolphpyatt4833]

Josh and Whitney work well together. As for CF Moto, they aren’t far above Royal Enfield in price point, with performance comparable to the Japanese brands. Interesting entry into the market.

[@brandonwalker6781]

Comparable to what Japanese bikes, lol

[@teddy3967]

@@brandonwalker6781 the cfmoto has nearly identical specs to a Suzuki SV650 and it costs $800 less. So around %11 less expensive and the cfmoto has more tech. It also has better specs and tech than the kawasaki z650 while being $1000 cheaper.

[@brandonwalker6781]

@@teddy3967 listen spec sheet warrior have u ridden anything cfmoto owned? No? Good, great, keep it pushing

[@brandonwalker6781]

@@teddy3967 u kids crack me up, Chinese made will always be shit. Buy one, when it breaks in a month and u can get parts or service then sing their praises

[@teddy3967]

​@@brandonwalker6781 I've ridden a ktm 790 adventure which is made by cfmoto in china. The reliability is not great like every other ktm produced in Austria. I dislike the CCP and would avoid buying chinese products to not support the CCP however not everything made in china is shit, most are shit but not everything.

[@devancarmichael1654]

My girlfriend has the 300ss CFMOTO and got to say that I’m fairly impressed by it and me have 400 miles on it I love how torque it is just wish they made a 650 sport bike dressed

[@alexandermillssr]

Ay yo!! Who farted so loudly 4:58!?

[@keaneu4456]

Reliable, looks ok, lots of models, lots of technology at an affordable price. Great bikes for beginners and for people on a budget that want to get into motorcycles. 🏍

[@101BadBreath]

Got the 300 for my girlfriend to learn on for 2 years, she wanted sport bike looks with easy going nature, and at the price won't feel bad if it gets dropped.

[@anti-socialistsocialclub6032]

I have a Chinese dual sport (tbr7) it may not be fast but my god it can take some abuse. I’m 5k miles in and have had no issues besides the carburetor. I crashed that thing and everything. Still kicking it. Chinese bikes aren’t bad. If you like tinkering and upgrading stuff for fun it’s perfect. Anyways ride safe!!

[@lordbongonaba]

Not a fan of apps for vehicles . So many apps on my phone already, it is getting harder to disconnect

[@SiliconDrifter]

Lol nah. Did Yammie finally sell out cause it sounds more like a sale ad than a yammie vid.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

But I do agree with Josh that the Heritage model is a little more comfortable. (If I was gonna go on a long ride I would rather be on the heritage) But I sure do enjoy hitting curvy roads on my Sport

[@southyboy576]

Here in New Zealand the Yamaha MT07 is $2,500 NZD more I'll go with the CF MOTO

[@Scott_Goodwin]

One thing not really discussed in much detail is the lowish seat height of the CL-X. This is absolutely a huge plus. As someone who is 5'5" with a 27" inseam, most bikes don't fit me very well. The ones that do fit pretty well are marketed and powered as "beginner" bikes. I was shocked when I sat on the CL-X Heritage and I fit on it beautifully. Both balls of my feet I can get down and it doesn't feel heavy at all. Add in cruise control, 2 year warranty (in USA), 500 dealers throughout the USA, and low price you better know the other manufacturers MUST step up their game or they're about to get smoked. The only thing that could derail CF Moto motorcycle offerings in the USA is if they turn out to be crap a year or two down the road. If they are reliable.... watch out.

[@chrispekel5709]

I've got a 5 year old 650nk with no issues so that model at least is good

[@RealTalkPowersports]

I love my 700 CL-X Sport

[@Malikot911]

The closest dealership is 3 hours away from me. I might just make that drive to look at one

[@bubbaboudreaux1474]

😱 plus it doesn't look half bad! Tempting!

[@MetallaCaine]

I have a cfmoto 650MT here in Australia and I absolutely love it

[@aj_beckmann]

This is EXACTLY the video I have been looking for! Just heard about cfmoto and I’ve started looking to upgrade to my 2nd bike. I’m basically down to the clx (I like the “heritage” model better myself as well) or an mt-07. Any specific input y’all have for choosing between these 2? I know they aren’t exactly the same “style” but fit the power level I’m looking for, and I like the look of both tho also different. I feel like from my “research” so far some of the main differences are clx is going to be more of “mild” but smoother throttle compared to the mt and clx is gonna come with more features like rider modes, cruise control. On the flip side Yamaha has years of quality to back it up and the mt is just a FUN bike

[@iamme1178]

Guys, you need to check the BBB rating and complaints first of dead motors before calling them *reliable*. Just check BBB ratings and reviews, 1.65/5 stars, not good....

[@daltongiammusso1821]

The fart at 4:56 took me out🤣

[@raffie9526]

Guys these bikes don't mechanically age well. Don't waste your money. Cheap is expensive