Why are Parallel Twins EVERYWHERE in Motorcycles?

[@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou]

Bcos they're cheap

[@snakeies66]

And strict emission laws

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

So?

[@tomekvilmovskiy6547]

single cylinder is waaaay cheaper )

[@alexandrosamanatidis7825]

​@tomekvilmovskiy6547 singles have insane vibrations though . Parallel Twins are manageable at high rpms .

[@xsdfl4244]

It is indeed cheaper to reduce emission by reducing no. of cylinders. I mean you will not buy the R6 with the cost of a R1 thats the whole reason they switched to R7

[@nathanfisher7264]

Yam, hate to be that guy but a 270 crank does not give pulses every 270 degrees. Cylinder one fires, then two fires 270 degrees later. Then you get a full rotation plus 90 degrees before the next power pulse on cylinder one, then two goes off again at 270. So it's kind of a gallop, 270-450-270-450. It's actually the same as a ninety degree V-Twin. To get even pulses you need a 360 crank, but then the balance is horrible. 180 gives good primary balance with even more gallop in the spacing of the power pulses. The thing is, you can never get all of evenly spaced power pulses, perfect primary balance and a single head in any two cylinder engine. And no two cylinder can achieve perfect secondary balance. The 270 crank is just a decent engineering compromise, and that little gallop sounds nice. I think the reason we're converging on this layout is all about keeping the costs down in the face of increasing pressure from emissions regulation. I don't think that these are the bikes that the manufacturers want to build but rather the bikes that they are being forced to build. An inline four is vastly superior until you look at complexity and realize that there's double the parts, and when building ICE engines is already becoming more expensive due to how hard they have to work to meet emissions this was where a decision was made to cut costs. I'm an old dude. I ride an old air cooled four. You'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands. The only thing better is a six, but I don't have that kind of money.

[@ellwoodwolf]

It also doesn't sound significantly better

[@Subarusyndicate]

@@nathanfisher7264 what engines would they be building if not for emissions then? Almost sounds like you’re suggesting because the V-8 is the most powerful engines why don’t all cars have them. Genuinely interested

[@nathanfisher7264]

@@Subarusyndicate it's not always about power, or at least not all about power. The smoothness and sound are addictive. I don't think you can compare the auto industry to the motorcycle industry, either. There are a relatively small number of automobile enthusiasts and a huge number of people who view cars as transportation. With motorcycles that's flipped on its head. The vast majority of riders, particularly in developed countries, ride because they truly love motorcycles, not because they're basic transportation. So if companies release a bike that doesn't speak to the rider there's a good chance that it won't sell, whereas nobody really loved Chevy Cavaliers or Ford Escorts but those cars sold in the millions. Anyway, I tend to think that motorcycle companies and riders would prefer four cylinders to two today just like they did in the 80's and 90's. But when you combine inflation with low wages and the pressure for emissions compliance, companies wouldn't be able to sell bikes if the price went up by a couple thousand dollars. They have to walk a fine line which involves a lot of compromises.

[@nazzalgrylls1403]

Bet not a lot.of.people read.this

[@vebez5993]

@@nathanfisher7264I’d rather have 270° crank than an inline 4. You don’t have to rev them out to get power, they sound amazing like a VTwin, and they are super torquey with usable power. I think they’re the best engine for the street and I think most people that ride are riding on the street anyways so that’s where the market is going. Also the 180 degree parallel is so boring, why not make it 10x better and give it a 270° And actually give it some character.

[@EvendimataE]

i prefer the inline 4 sound.....especially if its straight piped...LOL

[@MultiDragola]

Yeah I have cb1100 and can't ride any twins, vibrations are as bad as my thumper pit/dirtbikes

[@joeykimball5705]

Idk man, they sound good sometimes but I honestly think the best sounding bikes are v4s and parallel twins. My fz07 sounds like a v twin real low in the idle and goes through a crazy range of sounds throughout the rev range. I can easily tell whereabouts in the range I am due to the differing sounds. I like it a lot.

[@thecman26]

Nah, I prefer the sounds of a snappy inline 4!

[@evanhandelong7685]

Due to emmisons and ease of manufacturing. Basically manufacturers are cheaping out

[@ellwoodwolf]

100%

[@MarlinRando]

CAFE/CARB standards are killing the 4s.

[@Mike-q1z9w]

Well they are in business to make money. If they don't make money, they might stop making bikes.

[@PRSer]

I'm perfectly fine with decently powered, reliable and easy to maintain parallel twins. I don't live in the parts of the world that honestly realistically requires anything more than 50hp. Don't get me wrong, I love high powered inline 4s, V4s and triples. The H2s and M1ks all have a place in the motorcycle industry but I'm not the demographic that can really afford that tier of motorcycles. If there are better parallel twins produced every year, I'm cool with that.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

I bought a Kawasaki W800 as a returning rider, thinking that I'd "upgrade" after a few months getting my chops back. That was a year ago. For the riding that I do, its 47 rear-wheel horsepower offers ample performance, and the way that the engine is tuned makes it a dream around town and through the twisties. I'm in the market for a vintage Guzzi or BMW, but I'm not getting rid of the Kawasaki anytime soon. It has such great "real world" performance and ease of operation.

[@kleinbottled79]

I live in Southern California which, short of the German autobahn, has among the world's most demanding freeway systems. Steep hills, short merges, relatively fast aggressive drivers. Even here, 50hp is genuinely enough. I was fine riding a 40hp 300, did it for years. Anything past 65hp or so isn't really making you any safer either I don't think. On a faster bike you (at least I) start becoming tempted to make moves that are difficult for other motorists to anticipate.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

@@kleinbottled79 A mate of mine learned to ride on an R3 Yamaha. As soon as his licence conditions allowed, he "upgraded" to a Triumph 765. He maintains that the R3 was easily up to the task of Australia's roads and in some ways more fun than the Triumph. He owned both concurrently, for a while, and he would regularly ride the R3 despite having the more powerful bike. And, by the way, I have to say that I agree with your surmise of bike power 100%. I've ridden a lot of bikes, over the years, ranging from Honda Trails with single digit HP ratings to 100HP sports bikes. If I cast my mind back to my favourites, they're all bikes that fall into that 45-70HP range. They're fast enough to get you out of trouble, yet slow enough to thrash a bit, in the right circumstances. Yep, race tracks and autobahns are a different kettle of fish, but I don't ride on either of those.

[@StreetSinner]

Kids these days just don't have the huevos for the literbike, I guess. They probably want to "live" or "not be paralyzed" or "not cook their nuts until they're tiny lumps of charcoal". Of course, if you're a real badass, you gotta have that H-D financing -- you know, that outlaw shit.

[@simonb6982]

Who needs those American dinosaurs and I4s? I2/I3/V2 (not H-D!)/V4 all the way.

[@IvoryOxen]

Thumpers 4 Life!

[@EugeneMazur]

Make ptwins for mass market and good financial margin and keep producing niche fours and triples for those who care(me)

[@Infynyte1133]

Must have triple. Need 3 CYLINDERS

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

The new 660s and the CBR650 are my go toos in the daily sport/naked class not necessarily because they're the best but because of the noise. I can't let it go. I can't move on.

[@turboboy0]

My first 2 motorcycles were parallel twins. 1987 Honda rebel 250 followed by a 1991 Suzuki gs500e waaaay back in 1991 when I started riding streetbikes. With the exception of the 2009 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 classic I bought in 2009 the other 7 or 8 bikes have all been inline 4 like my current 2019 zx14r.

[@shah9394]

cough cough .......VFR 800---------V-4

[@codydavis4513]

Cough cough RSV4/Tuono V4

[@Subarusyndicate]

As an MT-07 rider, I can’t say enough good things about the bike and its motor. Power is where a street rider would want it. Fun to rev out, but also fun to ride tamely and chill out at street legal speeds.

[@davidmoore_723]

Because of government BS, not because of the consumer.

[@vebez5993]

No because 180 degrees suck

[@vader5454]

Triple-cylinders are the best imo. Best of both worlds 🤙

[@TheDBall73]

Well, I’m a noob that just turned over 2000 miles on my first bike this year (2024 Suzuki GSX 8S). Been riding 3 months, getting my full endorsement next weekend, and I love my 270 degree Suzuki. Sure, I could put an exhaust on it and make it sound a little more manly but I like the stealth location it’s now. I foresee no interest in getting rid of this bike for a long time. It’s quick, clean, turns heads, and it’s a blast.

[@markybear23]

I have a 2023 and it’s my first bike - I have a couple vids of it here.

[@HifeMan]

I traded in my MT09 for a 2023 GSX-8S and i love it. Sure it doesn't have the top end of the MT but it still pulls just like it till 9K and that pull to me is the most fun over speed. It also doesn't wanna just wheelie everywhere due to the longer wheelbase, which to me is a plus. Already got 5k miles on mine and got it fully tuned with an exhaust/intake mods ect. A great bike i will keep for many many years to come. Also as someone who own many many twins, this bike is my favorite one. :) Btw an ECU flash and intake mods will give you some good gains if you ever do want some extra power but still want it to be stealth. (Will be louder to the rider due to increase intake noise.)

[@karlfonner7589]

Am I wrong to like them all? So long as they don’t leak oil all over my pant leg😊

[@dilly2023]

Agreed!

[@zaphodbeeblebrox4574]

All these parallel twins are wonderful ... they make my Guzzi even more special 🙂

[@etobiCRACKscorpions]

All the functionality of the parallel twin sounds like exactly the engine I need but I still bought the zx4RR!

[@floofiegaming8596]

I’m planning on getting one soon, how do you like it ?

[@etobiCRACKscorpions]

@@floofiegaming8596 I'm very happy with it. Its night and day different after the flash. After a couple month riding pre-flash I couldn't believe how heavy the restrictions were. The next largest improvement is weight reduction. Removed the tail, added full SS headers and exhaust and its much more nimble now. In all reality its not the right bike for my city driving application but as a supersport its all you need on the road and highway.

[@LDDivision]

Parallel twins in bikes is analogous to 4-cylinder engines in cars /trucks.

[@mikethehitman4587]

Bring back the V4

[@thinkingimpaired5663]

I'm glad I've never had crabs

[@ellwoodwolf]

Crab is very overrated, people act like it's great because others act like it's great... Is just okay

[@cisarvialpando7412]

4:06 180° crank sounds like a single cylinder engine...

[@rctractif]

No totally not

[@Surpriseify]

Confidently wrong statement Nice

[@Kompost]

I used to own both, they were nothing alike.

[@ZulRf]

Bro i use single cylinder bike and it sounded really different. It's so distinctly different no matter the displacement

[@Ceen328]

I myself love the sound of a screaming 13k+ RPM inline 4, BUT you just can't use it in a somewhat legal manner on open roads. And that is coming from a german with the autobahn. On a fast track, that is a different story. Now I got myself the new Hornet 750 and tbh, the last time I had that much fun in the twisties and country side roads, was back when I owned a SV650 ~15 years ago. Also, IMHO everything above 100hp on a bike, is either to cater to your ego, or for the track. Seeing all these hyper nakeds makes me shake my head. People here think they become the ghostrider 2.0 when buying these bikes. 🤣

[@rapid13]

Because they’re cheap and soft so as not to intimidate a the man bun generations.

[@BMK500]

The RS660 is the best-sounding twin Yamaha’s CP2 engine is in the conversation of being the best motorcycle engine ever made in regards to reliability and versatility

[@nightcoremetal2518]

CFMoto demoed a 250cc 270 degree ptwin recently too. There was never any western coverage of it, but on their global website its mentioned in a press release back in July.

[@toportime]

Three cyclinder engines sound so sweet.

[@joehillbilly]

Sorry, but listening to a kubota tractor engine was never sexy. Nor is a triple motorcycle. Inline four, yes!!!!! Inline six, oh hell yes. Triples and twins, blah. 40 years of riding experience. Nothing sexier than a20,000 rpm four cylinder

[@mytmousemalibu]

Gotta go with my man on the triples! Still love the rest of them but the demonic, abrasive howl of a triple is bliss. Similar sound to a 20B 3-rotor which I adore.

[@trollface7998]

But vibrates like an earthquake 💯

[@2twolow]

​@trollface7998 I never noticed vibrations from my cp3.

[@kleinbottled79]

Three cylinders are a love it or hate it thing. I liked how they sounded until I rode one and my brain rejected the signal. My mechanical empathy started to throw serious error codes. It just sounded and felt wrong somehow. Maybe time would fix it, I've only ever rode them for short periods of time. And yes, I realize this is a 'me' problem. My riding buddies love triples. Try it before you buy it is all I'm saying.

[@lazerlabmusic]

I don't like the sound of parallel twins. They sounds like tractors 😱

[@sportstermissions]

I don't get the crab thing. I am a fan of singles. I'm a simple man...😊

[@wyattl.1370]

I like me a phat thumper myself. Are you more of a 2 smoker or a 4 choker?

[@JackedUpBronco84]

Nothing will compare to the vtwin of my EBR 1190😅

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Kawasaki Z1300: "Hold my beer"

[@johncurry7246]

I had a Firebolt many years ago, it was seriously fun to ride. Wish Buell woild have caught on better, those newer EBR bikes look so good.

[@williamduckworth305]

Gimme a triple, best of both worlds

[@Mr_Glenn]

Except for the sound, imho.

[@williamduckworth305]

@Mr_Glenn Oh I would have to re pipe and flash it.

[@nonyabusiness4151]

Why? ... because my V4 needs food.

[@cisarvialpando7412]

But 360° crank sounds best in parallel twin engine

[@ultimatemassive9501]

My Bonneville with Norman Hyde Toga slip ons sounds incredible.

[@BLAKEEATS1988]

you mean inline 2.

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Correct.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

I would have bought the cb 750 hornet but for some reason they refused to release to the USA. 🤬

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

Its because of old fashioned noise regulations in North America. They had to gimp the Transalp engine in the ecu for it to pass. Fortnine made a video of it in his Transalp video.

[@drewherbi]

P twins are cheap and quick to produce, can be done in a ton of configurations and crank angles, ecu's and big bore p twins mean you can get a super sport with wicked top speed or a torque monster. You can build a p twin for any use case

[@garethbull2226]

As someone who lives outside the USA, I'm going to call you out a little bit Yam. The detail is when you said Yamaha started the parallel twin engine in multiple models trend with the CP2 engine in the MT07. The MT07 launched in 2014. Let's rewind the clock a little bit, to 1991, and a Yamaha sport-tourer with a parallel twin engine, the TDM850, which was followed in 1995 by a slightly different version of the same engine in a sportier chassis, the TRX850. In the TRX850, Yamaha changed the crankshaft and camshafts from a conventional 180 degree design to a crossplane 270 degree design. The TRX850 only received minor changes before Yamaha stopped building it in 2000. The TDM850 also changed over to the same 270 degree crossplane twin engine in 1996 and was built until 2001. In 2002 the TDM was relaunched with a fuel injected 900cc crossplane twin engine and stayed in production until 2011. Yamaha USA never gave the TDM or TRX much attention, these bikes sold mostly in Japan, Europe and Australia/New Zealand. The CP2 engine has a parent in terms of engine configuration and use across multiple bike models aimed at different market segments, the 850cc crossplane twin engine from 1995, used in the TRX850 and the 1996+ TDM850.

[@bpgrmds]

270 parallel sounds laid back and nice. In line 4 sounds like why am i still stationary, lets burn some rubber and overtake some cars. Personally, I prefer twins

[@tymobyrne4451]

Triple...triple...triple....you know im right....best real world engine...and I looked the salesman right in the eye when I said "NoTwins!" ...lol

[@peterwilson8039]

Am I the only one who realizes that all the noise about the sound of the 270 degree twin is just marketing hype. People nowadays are too susceptible to this type of marketing manipulation. I leaned my lesson back in the day, when a favourable review in a motorcycle magazine influenced me to buy a 1967, 250 cc BSA Starfire. While the article admitted that the motorcycle wasn't technically a match for it's peers, it talked about "character". I learned that when people talk about character in the context of a motorcycle, it's because they have nothing else to boast about. Take the new Norton Commando for example. Reviewers can only talk about it's character because, nothing else about it is any good.

[@Wojtekpl2]

Boring and lots of vibrations... And those are "popular" because are cheaper to manufacture and forced by emissions regulations.

[@Mr_Glenn]

I actually love 270° twins or CP4/V4 engines. I love the unevenness. I own a normal FP 4 cylinder right now and it's nice but also a bit bland.

[@Breakitjake]

Quad loc is trolling you, every video I watch of yours, their ad pops up. no other videos does this happen

[@ChaseLancaster]

The CP2 engine sound fits the looks of the XSR700 so well. I love my bike.

[@dorayaki5494]

No way man my Inline4 600RR just SCREAMS! Sounds way better and those engines are bulletproof.

[@jed4265]

Also gotta give a shout-out to the Triumph Thunderbird and Speedmaster cruisers!!! 270 ptwins.

[@L4ND.SH4RK]

I liked the 2015 Ninja 650... trying to get this 1st Gen hayabusa done so I can feel some real power

[@Black_Drako]

The answer is out there, given by our beloved Kawasaki: ZX4RR

[@pepperidgefarmsremembers92]

Not for 10k lol

[@Black_Drako]

If you don't have the money, go buy a chinese bike.

[@kellykingston5600]

@@Black_Drako Does someone hear poor folks talking? LOL

[@619LAzaros]

Next episode, why Triples are best overalls gor daily and track use

[@jamesziebarth8811]

I still rock the 90 degree v-twin in my 01 sv650s and I love it

[@floyd4826]

I like twins better than Inline 4 but.... I love 3 cylinder Triumphs.

[@imyournightmare350]

2023 CBR250rr is a great sounding paralel twin at 14000rpm

[@brandonjefferson257]

I love the triumph triples.... Man those things are addictive!

[@ultimatemassive9501]

My 2009 Bonneville has a 360 degree crank and it sounds really great.

[@ACE-tr1df]

Parallel twins suck big time! I want 4 cylinders all the way!!!

[@TheULTIMETAL]

But nothing can beat i4 sound and smoothness

[@lr6474]

look if it doesnt rev to 16 thousand rpm i dont want it

[@Ntmoffi]

4 bangers and V-twins are my favorite.

[@DeniedClimax]

Lookin' kinda cute today, bro

[@e010222476]

I like my V4!

[@nonyabusiness4151]

Greatest bike ever!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I like my V12!

[@WiggSplitter75]

the 8R is great for street riding

[@unk_GHOST]

Aprilia rs660, here me out. Wait for it.. turbo.

[@jayandrews4807]

There probably a couple Australians that would do it

[@brokeandtired]

or Triumph Rocket Turbo.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Wait what, where‽‽

[@revmatchproductions]

The R7 with a turbo kit is insane, there are a few builds out there🤙🏼

[@jayandrews4807]

@revmatchproductions you seen the most recent one from the extreme creations? 160hp o n r7 I'd insane

[@CarlTedrick]

i almost bought a new r7....until i found an 09 r6 with 3500 miles. for 3500 less than the new r7 couldnt pass it up .

[@drakeb6168]

That’s a steal my guy! Ride that bike like you stole it bro.

[@DK-rm4mp]

8:25 or you life in germany

[@adalbertantonie2093]

In a world full of 2 cylinder crap....I love and prefer my 4 cylinder small displacement Kawasaki ZX-4RR.....for absolute fun, street and track ❤️

[@HifeMan]

Their nothing wrong with 2 cylinders. lol

[@James-k7h9i]

V4 is the pinnacle

[@amisfitpuivk]

It's probably a good thing Kawasaki hasn't been converting to 270 degrees because instead they started a baby 4cylinder trend and I love my zx4rr

[@adamlanglois563]

The kawi twin from the old EX/GZP 250/500 made them so much money for so long. Kawasaki has known the benefits of a p-twin for both the customer and the manufacturer for a long time. Those were rad little bikes that would live in the top end of the rpms for years.

[@very.rare_rex]

popular opinion is 4 cylinders can’t be good city/small town bikes cause the high revving motors…. change the sprocket, it changes a lot

[@rapid13]

@@very.rare_rex Um…what? Who holds that opinion? I think you’re just making shit up.

[@stimpsonjcat26]

I like triples.

[@dieterich6533]

About Kawasaki, they are unveiling new products Oct 1st.

[@kevincrockett5155]

Any clue on what’s coming?

[@IceBoNeZ]

STOP CALLING L-TWINS V-TWIN!

[@tnbrfller]

Stop calling V-twins- L twins !

[@IceBoNeZ]

@@tnbrfller I didn't, Yammie did.

[@rapid13]

@@IceBoNeZ Same. Thing. 90° V is an L. Stop being pedantic.

[@cisarvialpando7412]

Why can't inline 4 engine have 360° crank ?

[@lawrencefranck9417]

Traction

[@dencan3209]

twin is enough for the street and highway riding

[@rapid13]

@@dencan3209 As long as it’s an L-twin and says “Ducati” on the tank, sure.

[@eZVFX]

anything under 3 sounds like a lawnmower

[@adamlanglois563]

I've had two Honda's that sounded just like lawnmowers from inside a house. My shadow sounded like a fair size riding mower, and my little CBR125r sounded like a push mower ready to cut grass at idle.

[@flatcapcaferacer]

Triumph's 1200cc parallel twin motors are one of the best. Smooth, dependable, flexible and and with enough power to remain interesting.

[@WMDTVIDS]

While i currently own several bikes, i have not owned every type of engine. One of my favorites is an old KZ750 twin, a 360 degree parell twin. Good torque, adequate power and geared just right. A lightweight, 75 hp parallel twin is just what the K L R needs....

[@lovingmylifeasIage6741]

Yeah, I for one wanted something different than all the others. So I traded in my 2021 MT07 for a 2023 ZX4RR. It brings a smile to my face every time I ride it.

[@megyaszaipeter]

Ill buy a cb650r or cbr650r...

[@Pfannkuchenkanone]

CB looks way better and more unique

[@ellwoodwolf]

At their price , you can do better

[@karlfonner7589]

Dude, get a used hornet. I’ve seen him in the classifieds in the San Francisco Bay area for cheap. Low mileage as well. They don’t have all that crap you don’t really need.

[@Black_Drako]

​@@ellwoodwolfwhat 4 cilinder new bike you can buy with that money?

[@wulfdean]

One of the best handling bikes ever made the Laverda 750S was the real forerunner to the modern Ptwins. Also the first from Yamaha was the TRX850 which I rode brand new it was a beast as good as the RS660.

[@ThreeBikeMike]

I’ve got a Triumph Speedmaster and a Tenere 700 and the motors are great.

[@nickhockings443]

Because they are smoother than thumpers and lighter, cleaner, and more efficient than anything else.

[@ellwoodwolf]

You forgot cheap and small enough to cram in several frames

[@wyattl.1370]

But but... I like me a good thumper. The sound of a baffleless thumper braaapping along like a Tractor warms my soul.

[@CrankinWithChris]

I can’t stand this shift in the sports bike industry maybe I’m just old fashioned but nothing beats the sound of and inline 4 screaming i don’t care what anyone says these twins sound bad to me In any crank rotation hate the low grunt personally and the fact that you can look at v twin sports bike and an inline bike and know the difference just looking at them all these v twin”sport bikes” besides the aprilia don’t even look like traditional sport bikes they are so tall any skinny especially the gs8r I can’t stand the way it looks personally but the naked version actually looks like that engine should be in that bike as to where the inlines bikes are lower and a little wider obviously due to more pistons I just wish I could get a more classic inline look and sound out of a v twin

[@unionrdr]

I've ridden both but prefer my V-Twin. V-Twins have good low-end power which is desirable in a cruiser bike.

[@ragerider6283]

Interesting vid. I currently own my first 270° P/T & I'm very happy with it. Very similar to a V-Twin in all but the highest revs. Yamaha were WAY ahead of their time & released the adventure bike styled TDM850 in 1991 & then the sporty TRX850 in 1996, both of which were 849cc PT's with a 270° crank. However, while the TDM did quite well for a decade, the sportier TRX was considered an odd ball at the time & didn't sell well or last long. Nonetheless, it was a nice bike which I always liked & was evidently a sign of things to come as the GSX8R is essentially a latter day TRX.

[@jayluper9523]

Honda's africa twin is also a massive 1084 cc 270 degree parallel twin now

[@drakeb6168]

I myself am a sucker for the screaming soundtrack that the i4 gives a bike. Tho that said I am a Honda fanboi and would buy the vintage bike I like anyway. Thanks for helping get me back in the saddle

[@ChaseLancaster]

The CP2 engine sound fits the looks of the XSR700 so well. I love my bike.

[@QuirkyAvik]

I ride a single cylinder 220 cc bike. Good enough for Indian roads.

[@Cowelly84]

I think you'd choose the bike before what engine config it has. Saying that, I prefer the sound of a V2 over any bike. The crunchy, grunty sound is addictive.

[@brianhoward9217]

Incredibly, hardly a mention of one of, if not THE biggest, P/Twin today being the Africa Twin. Honda's flagship P/Twin. Glossed over that one to focus on narrow use sportsbikes? Go figure!

[@shaxei7116]

yeah it's because they're cheap. That's why we now have an R7 sharing a class with an R6, despite having HALF the power of the smaller bike. All the manufacturers doing this could even do something interesting and make their naked bike sound muscular with a 270-degree crank, and their sportier bike sound raspy with a 360-degree crank in the same engine, but NOPE, that'd cost money.

[@Scisca1a2a]

2cyls are cool, but I'm saving for a Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR :) That bike is my type of crazy!

[@paulcompme856]

I could not make my mind up so I got one of each. A parallel Twin (RS 660) and a inline 4 (CBR 600RR). I love the engine breaking of the parallel Twin and the sound of the Inline 4. I have a great time riding both bikes. Cheers.

[@someguy9520]

Imo P-Twins just make a ton of sense We had a a food run with highly specialized bikes for everything Cheap simple singles for lightweight offroad or very entrylevel streetbikes Ptwins for almost everything that is supposed to be an all-rounder V-twins for that sound + torque Triples for the crowd that wants the scream but also the torque Inline 4 for high hp, smooth running Nowadays every bike is supposed to fo everything again because manufacturers don't want so many different bikes and therfore parts. And a P-Twin is good enough for like 90% for everything and everyone How many ACTUALLY need 4 cylinders for 200hp or maybe 1400cc i4 for that torque wave smooth running ultra long distance touring? No one Most ppl dont REALLY ride hard or to the track and most ppl don't do huge miles in the saddle So P-twins is a "good enough" solution to most things. Also very cheap to make and adapt to modern emissions

[@xaviertavares249]

Please review the new cb300r, i'd love to see what you'd have to say about it in regards to it's handeling and it's power compared to other beginer bikes

[@ultimateiphonedng8756]

From my riding and owning experience all configurations have their charms, shortcomings and bonuses. But the two that stand out most are the V4 (as in the Honda VFR 750 and VF750C) and the jewel like 90 degree V2 250 (Honda Spada 250). The later would have been expensive for the capacity but the smoothness, rev-ability, power delivery and weight for that class is an object lesson in just how good a 250 can be.

[@zimsterize]

Parallel twins are the worst for cold weather or a battery that's below 95%. That's one of the worst things - with other motors you get a "warning period" if the battery is getting due for replacement, a parallel twin just STOPS WORKING one day...

[@PingHongTan]

I personally don't really rate the p-twins, even with a 270 degree crank, they still sound a bit boring. I prefer a V configuration for my bikes, V-Twin or V4. followed by the I4 X-plane crank, then a triple. But I get it, if cheap p-twins keeps manufacturers in business, then it can't be too bad. But the thing is, we're getting less choice. With p-twins everywhere, we don't have the choice to get something different. If manufactures can make that special model available with a more charismatic engine, e.g. the R6 as a race homologation special, maybe we can have the best of both worlds. I also think call a bike a V-strom and using a p-twin when it's not V configured, is stupid.

[@ellwoodwolf]

I'm glad I'm in America where most motorcycles are toys and older, clean, low mileage motorcycles are available. Had rebel 250, good deal on cbf 500, got a mt-07 ... And realized this is the best engine in the segment? THIS ? ... test rode road some other bikes here and there and after 4000+ miles on my mt-07 ... I'M NOT BUYING ANOTHER P-TWIN.

[@Soeks77]

I personally think a motorcycle should always be a raw riding experience. Kawasaki is trying to mainstream “hybrid” bikes? Why? 70mpg isn’t efficient enough? 😂 it’s not about efficiency anyway it’s about having fun riding an auto is boring as shit.

[@ewganhoff]

I've owned a few i4 600ish bikes and the high end power doesn't make up for the gutless midrange when riding twisties here in Scotland. I4 600s are great for the track or for top speed pulls on those super straight roads that seem to cover 80% of the US, but I honestly prefer the (180° crank😱) 650 ptwin in my 18 year old Ninja 650 for bombing twisties compared to my zx6r or cb650.