Yes, Black men experience colorism, and it's silly for them to ignore it.

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[@ForHarriet619]

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[@j_g1]

Telling them they experience colorism too will not stop them from partaking it because they don't like themselves either.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

And that's the real Issue

[@j_g1]

​@@coryskizm It means black men do not like other black men nor do they like themselves (not their personalities or their looks but simply, 'the black man'). There is no pride in it so it'd be a mistake to think understanding that they're adversely affected by colorism would make them act any differently. It's the disdain they have for themselves and each other that shows up as the hate for everyone else in their community.

[@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves]

Exactly and let’s not pretend there isn’t a whole song made about BW calling them dark and ugly Cyn G posted it a few weeks ago

[@rayofirst8885]

​@@j_g1A WORD!

[@leighbotts9694]

@@coryskizm you and your friends don’t make up the collective of black men. Remove yourself and your friends from the situation and then really evaluate if you feel like black men’s actions as a whole reflect self love. You should come to a different understanding.

[@aarondavis2258]

As a whole BM ignore colorism because as mentioned they want to be on the same level as YT men. And this is done both with them knowing it & with them doing it & not realizing. Ask the average BM if he wants liberation for ALL Black people, women, children, & Black LGBT included. I guarantee the answer is a big fat NO. They want Black Patriarchy. End of discussion.

[@Nekole1]

THIS!!

[@niablee]

This is EXACTLY why I’m pro Black women!

[@gregorywalker6802]

@@Nekole1 Explain to me why Black women in the US enjoy looking unnatural such as: Eyelashes & nails from S. Korea, Hair extensions & wigs from SE Asia & India, Fake eye contacts : Eastern Europe & BBL'S surgery done in the Caribbean...,.... And you all really think you look nice but you all look like Extraterrestrial Aliens...... Also, you Black women in the US are walking around Obese but think Thick is cute....., SMDH

[@mabel9701]

Exactly. They only want to be in a white man’s position with access to power, resources and white or non-black women. They don’t care about breaking the cycle and that’s why I don’t f with them.

[@iamemancipate]

Yes!

[@Frosting1000]

just wanted to comment as an Asian person that i agree that colorism is very much global and entrenched in lots of other cultures. lots of korean and chinese kids have spoken about their grandmas not letting them out in the sun. there was that infamous filipino commercial for a product that supposedly gives you white skin. my grandma told me about how she wishes she could wash off her slightly darker skin like dirt. people in the U.S. are only starting to realize it now with the rise of kpop and korean makeup and skincare brands being so blatantly and shamelessly colorist. but it's not even a questioned system (in my experience as a chinese american, i could be wrong). it's like saying the sky is blue.

[@maryjane2965]

When I see clips of Korean TV I feel like they look like corpses lol.Their skin looks like wax, dead and unnatural.😊

[@shizzlemywizzle1]

I agree with you, but black Americans have been very aware of colorism for a very long time. We’re aware of it in the same way your community is aware of it. Every black woman that I know personally has known because it’s a pervasive issue. I’m sure other communities feel the same way. It goes deeper than just seeing K-Pop and Korean skincare/makeup. Koreans pop culture did not start the discussion - it has been happening on a global scale for centuries.

[@meme-fs1jn]

Do you hate the lighter skinned Asians? In your culture? Do you want the light skinned Asians to identify as something else, as to not erase the image of the brown skinned Asian?

[@juratory8876]

​@@shizzlemywizzle1 Yep. Couple that with the negative depictions of Black people, especially dark-skinned Black people, and then you have whole generations of Black kids developing a deep-seated hatred for their skin color.

[@Frosting1000]

@@shizzlemywizzle1 I don’t disagree with that. Asian Americans and Asians have been aware of it for a long time. When I mentioned kpop I’m just talking about people outside my community noticing it, not trying to diminish the issue. I’m aware it’s beyond just makeup and beauty standards.

[@ryenne8919]

I can definitely attest to the fact that perception of being mixed or “other” results in better treatment. I am a darker skinned black woman with a slim nose and a looser hair texture. I am often asked if I’m East African or mixed. Its honestly really jarring how quickly people switch up after they figure out I am neither of the two.

[@ayanomar1408]

I am sorry you they switch up like that. I am east african and similar to your discribtion and for the longest I didnt understand why and how I was “othered” even my kids are “othered” even tho they fit the definition of african american🙃

[@knowvilleknows1075]

How is you being asked if you’re mixed “better treatment”? Pls explain

[@cc6546]

​@@knowvilleknows1075 she said being viewed as mixed gets better treatment, not the question itself being a sign of treatment. Re-read it

[@luthorforpresident9353]

I don't feel like they ignore it. They perpetuate it against Black women.

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

Exactly

[@sh0eh0rn4]

I really hope you dive deeper into the concept of “mejorar la raza”. it’s a concept that was initiated during Spain’s colonization of the Americas, and was a way to code the Spainiard’s methods of breeding out Blackness and Indigeneity. nowadays, it’s still a thing a lot of Latinx parents will tell their kids (especially non-Black latinx people). to this day, many immigrant latinx parents encourage their kids to partner and have kids with someone white or light-skinned, so that each generations is lighter and lighter until achieving whiteness. this shit is wild.

[@keptbygrace6221]

El blanqueamiento

[@Sin7Cyn]

Is it though? If it is an advantage people will do it. If its not the practice will die out because the yields no benefit. Shaming the families that do it is putting the cart before the horse. We all know that its bm giving blackness its negative reputation. Black women work so hard to overcome adversity just for these degenerates to pull them down . Another facet of the phrase is Bw divesting and producing children from white men which inadvertently achieves the same goal . Its deeper then just saying black people are looking to be white .

[@meme-fs1jn]

If it was actually a big deal, dark skin would be ERASED 100 years ago! But guess what??? Dark skinned people are still here 😂. This conversation is pointless

[@sh0eh0rn4]

@@keptbygrace6221 yes exactly!!! it still lives 😭

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

Yeah, I’m very curious about it! I cannot find any videos on it!

[@tahtz20]

I'm only 30 minutes in, but the title alone made me think of a joke I heard that said Black men talk really bad about light skinned men, but are in a rush to make one. This is about the stereotype that lighter Black men were "soft", and the context was also for BM who date white women, but still rang true. I'll edit as I listen lol

[@genovasquez8361]

Black men talk bad about each other period. It's about competition on who can get the most girls.. Black men when feel threaten like ole boy can steal my girl will result to insults. I always had black men hate on me. Hell two of my cousins use to hate me bad..come to think of it maybe that was colorism because they were darker than me.

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

The bashes towards lighter skinned men is also very homophobic/transphobic as well.

[@nothingnothing5183]

BS

[@kingleo8048]

@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 dumbest comment I’ve read

[@yaggayaggaya9918]

@@kingleo8048 can you dispute it, with receipts tho?

[@raeahthewriter8082]

Listening to you read that statement in the beginning about canceling your event made me cry. I’m such an emotional ass Pisces smh. Sending you love sis. Love, protection, peace.

[@Bee-gf8gn]

The KZbin algorithm is wild. Kim talking about colorism and all the commercials are for art supplies 😂😂 I usually just skip the commercials thoughtlessly, but this makes me want to pay attention to what ads are advertised in what type of video.

[@charlybrown5264]

Kim we are here, we support u!

[@kahlilbt]

Kim, THIS is why I've always fucked with your channel. 💙 I'm a lightskin Black man, and I agree 100% so far as I've watched. Colorism is so real, and it goes so far beyond the desirability conversations we get trapped in. I like that you touched on how desirability is a commodity-based value system. It's about extracting value from fetishized bodies. I think it's also important that you highlighted that color isn't race... A pitfall that both Black and white people fall into all the time. In both communities this conflation inevitably pushes race into a purity/essentialism project.

[@squirrelsinmykoolaid]

I'm not latina, but from my understanding "mejorar la raza" refers to the concept of "cleaning up the race", meaning breeding the Black and Indigenous blood/features out of Latin American folks colonized by the Spaniards. I don't have reading recommendations because I've mainly heard of it by watching interviews and other media sources, but I'd be surprised if scholars haven't written about it.

[@brooklyndecember]

Scholars have been writing about it for decades. You honestly think it hasn't been covered, especially by Latin scholars? There was a world before online.

[@xocolaatl]

I'm Mexican and we also say mejorar la raza to just refer to dating someone who's attractive or taller. Not just for someone with lighter skin

[@quinntate8022]

This reminds me of how yt moms with mixed kids acknowledged that they thought their kids were safe from police brutality because they were part yt. Thought their kids being lighter would make them less likely to be done in by a cop. That Daunte Wright case is where I heard this quiet part bein said out loud.

[@lickjo]

well it actually is true that mixed/lightskin black men have shorter prison sentencings, less police incidents, easier to get a job, less likely to get fired, etc. Colorism absolutely affects black men and outside of specific instances, lightskin black men are the direct beneficiaries. Obviously it doesn't mean they have the same amount of privilege as white men, but they do have significantly more privilege than darkskin black men. There's been a bunch of studies on this.

[@brooklyndecember]

If you think they're wrong you're not paying attention. Duane is an outlier because of his phenotype.

[@knowvilleknows1075]

This exactly. Racist people don’t care if you’re half of what they hate, or full. If you are identifiably black in any way, you are treated as such

[@iateyursandwiches]

​@@knowvilleknows1075can we agree will also noting that people who look the most black have it even worse? Dark skin globally is associated with lower class anyway so that there tells us there is a problem.

[@submissiveproviderstboth9485]

Being a BM preference only means we get picked 1st to get dogged out because the gag is we all getting the same BM😂 BM don't value marriage really.

[@UPPITYUNICORN]

I’m so sorry about the sip and paint 🎨

[@theamazingdoubleA]

Even our only “black” president was a biracial black man. There is some merit in that anecdote😂

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

They ignore it because they want a seat under massa table

[@emileigh6524]

Chill not under 😂😂😂

[@papamaehem]

At 30 million blacks deleted through planned parenthood ain't no one sat on massa table more then Bw... 😒

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

@@emileigh6524 you know they want white acceptance but never really get it

[@zero1188]

Nah they ignore it because men are taught to get over your problems and move on. The second a man complains about stuff he is shamed. A man complaining about colorism doesnt help him. Imagine a man saying he didnt get hired because of colorism. Lol

[@zoefreeman9478]

@@zero1188 you think women don’t get shamed for talking about it? And It’s not complaining it’s talking about it and creating awareness because that actually does effect change. Seems dumb to just ignore something so prevalent

[@tsmiley4]

I was so confused. I thought Robyn and Giselle was code for Rihanna and Beyoncé

[@Mariah203]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@nicholasKMAmusic]

Another point on this.Most “first Black” persons in anything - US president, vice president, supreme court justice, NASA mathematician, Harvard grad, etc - are all light skinned, in my observation. It almost never fails. Not to undermine their accomplishments, but it just goes to show how pervasive colorism truly is.

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

And they're often non ADOS, especially in politics.

[@genovasquez8361]

Clarence Thomas???? Bob Johnson ?????

[@ERoss338]

Ketanji?

[@oihcam22]

@@genovasquez8361”Most”, make sure you read statements twice if you tend to skip over words.

[@oihcam22]

@@ERoss338 ”Most”, make sure you read statements twice if you tend to skip over words.

[@Taayooo]

This is an amazing research paper and feeds right into my sociology brain! Will definitely be reading it in full on my downtime

[@tresvegan3633]

It’s so sad and mind blowing just hearing these types of articles and the data involved. My heart aches for this world. Especially a world where colorism literally predates racism like what. Mouth dropped and mind shot 😢 I’m sad 💔. Please y’all stay safe 🙏🏽

[@zainmudassir2964]

Brown men too. Say no to colorism

[@Mariah203]

In regard to Monk's statement that it is puzzling that Black people have not protested against colorism and treat it as secondary to ethno-racial discrimination, I say that it isnt puzzling at all given that most of the Black leaders have been light skinned. Therefore, it makes sense that their focus would be on racism and not colorism. They benefit from colorism while racism is the only thing standing in their way of being equal to white ppl. The very thing that places them in the forefront and in the leadership positions of black movements is also the very thing that possibly misguides the focus of Black movements.

[@submissiveproviderstboth9485]

BBC is a COLLECTIVE MYTH 😂 NEVER encountered one in my life😢

[@Jeff-xv6gk]

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[@submissiveproviderstboth9485]

@@Jeff-xv6gk not cap! Science-based stats and anecdotal data ♥

[@traceeford2914]

😂"Shut the fuck up. Leave me alone. That's not what I said. "😂

[@nl4822]

The discussion of colorism is so important right now as we become a more mixed population. The term "POC" erase the realities of colorism.

[@justinemillerlopez6371]

I love your videos and I have been talking about this among my peers. The cancer of colonialism is prevalent everywhere and colorism is the tumor in manifestation. I am just glad I’m not alone in learning and educating myself in these matters. Thank you for your voice and persistence of the truth and also being a role model of pursuit of happiness without losing integrity.

[@f.t.7933]

“IF YOU DINT KNOW THE DATA WHY ARE YOU TALKING ANOUT SOLUTIONS?!” wow. yes. 1:13:35

[@DavidMiller-cu2xq]

As an older gen z (born in 98) with a gen z brother (born in 05) colorism like most social issues is treated as it exists, it's bad, not gonna do anything about it unless it benefits me

[@Think-see]

That was such a great vid. Thank you so much for your research and dedication.

[@NaturallyWit]

Idk how KZbin recommended me this video when I don't see it listed on the main channel, but I'm SO HAPPY they did. This was such a great thing for me to listen to while I was working on a build in the Sims. When I was in my Social Analysis on Race Relations class before I got my Masters, my favorite study we read was one called The Skin Color Paradox. It outlines all the ways we don't talk about colorism in our conversation on race relations and the outcomes for black people and also why it has, historically, been so difficult for us to talk about and critically asses the role that colorism plays in our community. It was such a brilliant read. Not all of the reasons are bad in nature, but it gave me a lot to think about.

[@phdgirl2016]

Black academia is very light. We DO NOT, as academics, talk about this enough. They take up a great deal of space - especially in Black Studies - and its not interrogated, at all. Whew.

[@JerriCouncil]

Great reading and conversational content.

[@Olivetree00]

Ugh, so good. Thank you for this commentary.

[@mightyroyalenergy]

Smart Kimberly 💚. I see you and you’re doing good work Sis.

[@MLimaRosebud]

*mejorar la raza means better the race its a latin ideology of date and marry laughter and whiter I'm pretty sure it was used in a AA conversation because alot of dark skin black men have said they don't want black kids publicly basically the same thing latin children have been taught growing up to get rid of any visible Native American and or African features it's sad af*

[@AnnyKeyz]

Great video! Love the research, love everything...

[@thelovelyjerald]

I ❤ a word smith but I was shocked to see you didn't know what that word meant and the pure satisfaction on your face not knowing that word......priceless.

[@noeland8129]

I hope you take all the pennies that dude DOESNT have! Thats incredible that he would sit there and pull a lie out of thin air! Im so angry because building community is so crucial for blk women.

[@kessie2069]

Gonna braid my hair with this in the background. Love these lengthy streams.

[@justcallmebon2684]

Incredible work as always

[@ayanomar1408]

the colorisim convo is something that we talk a lot about in my household, my ethnicity is east african and skin tone varies a lot from very pale to darker tones and yes ofcours you get judged for it. moving to the US I am considered a light skin. my son is very pale and my daughter and husband have darker skin tones. my daughter is old enough to ask: how come I am not as light as my brother? I wish I was little bit lighter. if there are videos or ways to show her that she is perfect the way god made her please let me know. I always remind her that she is beautiful when society is trying to tell her she is “less” than others because of her color

[@CentralCityCitizenMedia]

Once I looked up "mejorar la raza", I understood the artist Amara La Negra so much better. It's like an entire counter movement in her name.

[@lifebyjo3999]

Would love to read this article. Is there any way you can leave a link?

[@nova8339]

Will always be here to listen to amazing work....great topics ..explore deep issues and learn from you..push through the hate and continue to rise.

[@moustik31]

I knew, colorism was an issue but I didnt expect the differences btw lsbp and dsbp in results and expectations to be as big as differences btw White and Black people. 🤯 Edit: and yes, I agree with Tatiana. I was surprised to learn, that the rise of mixed children will likely be the cause of a reinforcement of colorism. I guess, we will always need a way to distinguish ourselves from one another.

[@CarmenSD]

33:05 thing is many men don’t really care about all that. They have embraced the colorism that affects them. They have embraced the system and instead of fighting against it, they deal with it and want to participate. Blk men desire the same power as Whyt men. Notice many of them don’t fight against Blk male injustice. It’s usually BW. I think it’s a survival mentality, passing on the genes, maybe?

[@Zyaplease]

I love your videos. I learn so much, thank you ❤

[@Attygray27]

Thank you for citing Deep South by Dr Davis! I’m currently reading it now and it’s nice to see his work is alive and well. His wife, Elizabeth Davis also contributed significantly to the study. However, he had to put his white colleagues on for their “credibility” even though he spearheaded the study. Also gorgeous as always Kim ❤

[@iateyursandwiches]

1:04:24 this is definitely true in medicine. A little yes in medschool but definitely more in residency and academic faculty.

[@BM-kj1ty]

I absolutely love this conversation! Thanks Harriet for all your work. The rebuttals to this topic are so important to analyze. I responded to a comment here because I keep seeing this excuse black men use. “Dark skin GIRLS did this to me” Ummmmm…. so those few dark skinned ‘girls’ literally gave you a pass to be colorist to the women of your race. What’s hilarious is that women don’t have such a petty bone in their body. I have never heard a black women let alone “girl” use her bad experiences with black “boys” to dictate their acceptance of black “men”. No black man ever has cried out to the world saying they don’t know if a black women likes them. It’s sad because regardless of how non black these people go to escape the truth. The child they bare will still be seen as black and also may have that same dark skin no matter how many times they wish to the heavens they don’t. SMH they see nothing wrong with it.

[@Social_Pugatory]

1:13:22 “How can we talk about solutions if we aren’t on the same page about what the problems are?” Kim said do your homework and your reading before you come in here being loud and WRONG! 😂

[@mykhaelbrandon]

Link to the article you referenced please!! ❤️😩🔥

[@brown123604]

Lol I'm weak at the creamy white part 😆

[@sh0eh0rn4]

to the point about US presidents: “Only five - Richard Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson, Chester A. Arthur, Andrew Johnson and John Quincy Adams - had brown eyes.” - some article I googled

[@Igboman87]

Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama

[@sh0eh0rn4]

@@Igboman87 Reagan had blue eyes, I think. but yes to Obama.

[@Igboman87]

@@sh0eh0rn4 No, Reagan's eyes were brown.

[@iateyursandwiches]

​@@Igboman87 Obama is not fully white. We are talking about 100% white men.

[@Igboman87]

@@iateyursandwiches It shouldn't matter; both races can have non-brown eyes.

[@sheri3411]

This is thee best content on colorism.

[@cierrasme]

I was waiting to see if you were going to talk about this lol 1:04:23

[@philpurple2019]

39:28 I will say that as a milk chocolate colored Black woman who is also 4th generation college graduate and 3rd gen graduate school educated, the line that that comes down through is lighter with straight hair. These are just the facts.

[@Mariah203]

I'm only 36 minutes in but this is making me think of Chelsea from the new season of Love is Blind saying she was wrecked or something like that when she was telling the other girls that she and Kwame have gotten intimate. I know she didnt have any mal intent but her choice of words couldnt help but bring the buck stereotype to mind.

[@justinemillerlopez6371]

Sending love ❤️

[@naturegirl8089]

What book is Kim reading in the PDF?

[@justinemillerlopez6371]

I also want to know

[@alayyapriester5984]

Hello For Harriet audience. I am writing about the ICC decision on Maria Lvova-Belova. I am looking at historical materialism used to justify the removal of children from one identity group to another. Does anybody have any good reads on this topic?

[@passivepanda3656]

Oh believe me they know. They're just like that kid in school who gets bullied for something and end it up preying on somebody weaker than him in order to bully and feel accepted by others.

[@adrianfletcher8963]

"Multi-generational light skin" Wait this just clicked for me in a way that it didn't before

[@sagittariusblack2879]

Hey Harriet! It’s affecting them in the NFL and NBA. Also, I just saw the new Scream 6…remember back when they replaced Black women with the lighter skinned woman, the biracial or even the YT woman, WELL GUESS WHAT?! They replaced the Black man too, they had a real suave Barrack Obama looking biracial 😂 Not a black man in sight!!

[@sabreenrasheed9777]

I'm sad to say that BM do nothing but scare me now.

[@jordanabrams6315]

1:15:00 Black women are also participating heavy into the patriarchy! Black straight women specifically

[@hr9336]

It makes sense for straight BW to participate in patriarchy. Married women are BETTER OFF financially under patriarchy:

[@iateyursandwiches]

No shit. Some women in general have always participated. Doesn't mean it can't also be problematic.

[@naturegirl8089]

This is so true!! College grads!!

[@Marta-xb6fu]

great video

[@melvinr8342]

I'm a black man... Colorism and featurism definitely has an effect on black men... just doesn't impact us as hard as women because more of a woman's quality of life (especially one provided by a man) is leveraged and hinged on her physical appearance and sexual attractiveness as it relates to men.

[@samiam5434]

Correct!

[@fan7708]

YESS! And men’s quality of life is leveraged in masculinity which black men are known for.

[@squirrelsinmykoolaid]

I don't think it doesn't impact you as hard, just not in the same ways. Think about police brutality for example. If a deeper skin tone is negatively associated with masculinity and even aggressiveness, deviance, or criminality, then that would impact how police perceive/interact with dark skinned Black men. The outcome would be more violence because they could be "afraid" based on those stereotypes/associations. This is why the "light skinned Black men are soft/weak/harmless" talking point subtly reinforces colorism. The opposite of "soft/weak/harmless" is essentially strong and dangerous. Studies have also shown that darker skinned Black folks suffer more healthcare disparities and longer jail and prison sentences. So yeah, I think the intersections of gender and colorism don't necessarily mean men don't suffer as much. Just in different ways

[@squirrelsinmykoolaid]

@@fan7708 I know not all Black men are criminals. That's not the argument I was making, and it doesn't really matter if a person actually committed a crime or not because innocent Black people are locked away all of the time. Mass incarceration is historically linked to enslavement. Because of historical reasons, dark skin is associated with deviance and criminality and that is colorism.

[@Okbutreally463]

@@fan7708 I find this comment stated weirdly, no disrespect or harm. It’s just black men who experience police brutality are not innately criminal. A lot of the videos we see are literally average men minding their business but even so if they are criminals this does not stop police brutality to non criminals..if you think this can not be you or any black men around you because you “follow the rules” that’s sadly disproven

[@Ria-cg6pu]

I’m sorry but that Michael B Jordan comment took me down 😂

[@nanostar7660]

25:00- book reccomendatiom

[@nanostar7660]

27:06 -race and color being referred to as the same

[@chamlett1211]

I missed the part about black men are choosing light skin women over their lives. Can someone fill me in on that.

[@ruonaeruvwetere1224]

Referring to the point at 33:50, the crazy part is white men treat dark skin black women the same. It’s objectification. But how does that translate to the ways in which you are systematically disadvantaged

[@Saviflorpez]

No wonder we’re doomed 🤣😂🤣

[@submissiveproviderstboth9485]

Mixed light skin ain't the same as Black Light skin❤

[@askellpositive]

😅😅😅😅😅😅 lighskin isn't black

[@Thejericko17]

We (BM) definitely experience colorism. We even do it to each other 😂. Sad but 🤷🏾‍♂️. We gotta do better.

[@kingleo8048]

Simping

[@Thejericko17]

@@kingleo8048 Im gay. I don't simp for women but sure bro 🤣😂. I stand with my sisters cause they gotta deal with yall 😂🤣.

[@kingleo8048]

@@Thejericko17 No wonder

[@Igboman87]

@@kingleo8048 How is he simping??

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@Thejericko17 simp

[@reallyitsjackiev.meadows7578]

Lol @ The trolls and Hobbits! 🤣🤣🤣😳

[@MsXenyy1]

What was the study?

[@SoulSheIS]

Referenced case study: " The Unceasing Significance of Colorism: Skin Tone Stratification in the United States" by Ellis P. Monk, Jr.

[@SinainKorea]

Genuinely confused as to how colorism is not racism. Isn’t it just how Black people use the racist hierarchy within our own racial group?

[@emac1286]

I see colorism as a close cousin to racism.

[@moveone9013]

Colorism is self hate.

[@anele.nsithole5593]

To my understanding it's more like internalized racism. So their "blackness" animates as a decentured, and relative to whitness. This can look like the attempt to place one's self closer to whitness or playing into stereotypes that are perpetuated by white supremacy (e.g., BBP).

[@gregorywalker6802]

@@anele.nsithole5593 exactly

[@moenlighted7681]

So bw aren't colorist when they lust and only respect wm.

[@alf8569]

That aderall's no joke 😆

[@TheDCbiz]

What harrassment have you received? What are some ways you feel that KZbin/alphabet/google could fix these issues you are experiencing?

[@amenajackson8133]

If you say anything about Asians or Jews the comments get removed immediately. The same can be done for black women.

[@TheDCbiz]

@@amenajackson8133 the algorithm removes comments that mention those groups of people you mentioned? But I saw your comment

[@iateyursandwiches]

​​@@TheDCbiznegative slurs for Jews and Asiand my friend. Obviously.

[@zemesq]

Title VII covers discrimination based on color.

[@Saviflorpez]

But they are more willing to play along with the statues quo

[@goddessnoir290]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@dw5192]

* beige outrage * Kimberly: STFU. LEAVE ME ALONE. THATS NOT WHAT I SED 😂😂

[@BooksandLooksTV]

We don’t view each other has human beings America has conditioned us to prioritize sex and view value in genitals rather than genuine relationships

[@BlvckshadeMarle2265]

Jefflene😅😊

[@yaggayaggaya9918]

Does Macklemore winning the Grammy over Kendrick count as colorism against black men 🤔

[@ohay10]

no that would be racism considering macklemore is a white man.

[@iateyursandwiches]

Macklemore is an Irish American white man ....

[@leebird9023]

As a white Appalachian, it's hard to wrap my head around the idea of someone's great-great-grandparents going to college. Since the university I attend was founded in 1787, I understand that somebody's grandfather must have been a student there, but that experience is just so alien to me. I had to pause the video and absorb it, haha

[@255arc]

Even now when I look at Tina Knowles, I still am amazed that's she not white. She's very white passing...imo.

[@keptbygrace6221]

If I'm not mistaken, she is from Louisiana. There was a lot of race-mixing going on during the 1800s and even a large population of "gens de couleur"- free people of color. The novel Feast of All Saints talks about how Louisiana society was full of people classified as mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, etc. There was one character who wanted to marry a free (dark skinned) black man but her mom wanted her to be a white man's mistress instead so her children would be privileged with education and status. Such an interesting topic.

[@Sin7Cyn]

@@keptbygrace6221 yes she is creole . Anne Rice girl here too

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Matthew Knowles thought she WAS white, which is why he approached her in the first place.

[@genovasquez8361]

I met a girl off the dating apps last week she is white passing but mostly because of her voice...she is so light and how she talks I feel kinda of turned off because I think she a white girl.

[@mimi-rk2qu]

Tina Knowles is a French Creole. If she would’ve been middle classed she would have married better. That’s the only way a lot of these extremely dark people infiltrated these families was through poverty.

[@keptbygrace6221]

@1:13 Kim, great video, but don't be so dismissive of those asking for solutions. Data for data's sake is useless. We are to use data to make informed decisions in problem solving.

[@genovasquez8361]

Yes where are the solutions i have a few.

[@ritajacobs1668]

Mejorar la raza means to improve the race (by marrying or having kids with light skinned folks or white people). A lot of black people have been doing this probably since reconstruction.

[@kaimckai]

Black men are far more desired than black women so it’s not the same experience

[@Chambermenz]

Is that why so many of you are homeless?

[@kaimckai]

@@Chambermenz where’s that statistic from? Most homeless people are white. But back to the subject so you think black women are desired as much as black men?

[@Chambermenz]

@@kaimckai lol. Tell me you don't understand stats without telling me. Bm are only about 5% of the US population and 1/3 of the homeless population. But you're worried about desirability😆. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kaimckai]

@@Chambermenz yea like homeless black men fill out census forms lol you wouldn’t know how many black men are homeless. Either way this is still off subject lol and you didn’t respond cause you know it’s true. In society and in the media black men are more desired than black women

[@Chambermenz]

​@@kaimckai It's very much on topic because the topic is colorism and how bm are affected by it. Bm like you think their "desirability" means they don't experience it like bw do. The stats Kim read, and the reality of your lives proves otherwise. Youre down bad out here in these streets...literally and colorism plays a role. But keep thinking you desired and not subject to colorism like bw tho kang 👍🏾.

[@onceagain6184]

Who the hell says that we ignore it? There are many prejudices amongst Blk men,including height, financial status and education!

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

They are women

[@iateyursandwiches]

Height is universal lol, not specific to black men! Financial status and education yes, but I promise you. Most of them are not talking about it, and you can see that first hand with many of the comments by black men here. They see it only a women problem. This is partially all of our faults though because too many BW keep presenting it as a problem of desirability mostly when it's clearly much more than that...for all of us no less. It's likely due to the fact that perceived beauty affects women more of course.

[@Sin7Cyn]

Colorism ….. ive found listening to these discussions one big misunderstanding about colorism on the world scale compared to black American colorism. Colorism is the preference of lighter skin but its not a desire to appear Caucasian. Its a class issue . In India, Africa, Asia etc the ruling upper class are fair skinned . Historically this was due to not being subjected to working outside, toiling in the harsh sun. Think of Queen Elizabeth going so far as to lighten her face with makeup to look almost ghastly. This was a very fair skinned red head but she wanted to look ethereal like she was not of this earth. We wouldn’t say she was trying to look white as in Caucasian. Geishas do it with Kabuki. Same idea. In Mexico the lighter are in their politics and telenovelas. People compain about latin tv not being realistic. But how realistic is our Hollywood? Of course movies are going to be made to appeal to the upper class and to serve as inspiration for the lower classes, incentives to moving up . It appears they want to look white because the white people were in control during colonial times but history shows this practice predated contact with Europeans. Colorism is the desire to not look like you are subjected to the elements outside. Fairer skin represents wealth power and security and the ability to live a “soft life “.

[@jayyy735]

GREAT point’

[@meme-fs1jn]

So why are we angry at light skinned and biracial women?? Why ? If everything you said is true about whiteness, and dominant society, then it’s not something that can be solved so easily.

[@agridulce3532]

This would be true if colorist wasn't coupled with featurism. which prefers anglicized features. Within the U.S., colorism lies hand and hand with obtaining whiteness which may or may not be dependent on class, but is, however, a social benefit and desireability politics.

[@phljawn]

​@@meme-fs1jn they would have to acknowledge how people put them on a pedestal, and work against those who try to. Not eating it up and ignoring colorism. And this is a light skin afro Latina(both parents are Dominican, neither can identify as white/indigenous, but my father is light skin too).

[@seashells-seashells]

This explanation bears some truth but taken altogether is outdated and incomplete. (1) Yes, in the Victorian Era and in feudal Europe, it is true that light skin desirability (pale skin, really) was based in signifying class. (2) But we are in the Modern Era… After feudalism came Protestant workism > agricultural economy > industrial capitalist economy > global capitalist economy. Mostly everyone works, and it’s been that way for a looong time. The “light skin is desired because it signifies free time” argument does not stand; or, it certainly can’t be the only explanation for non-American colorism. (3) Whiteness is a global beauty standard - the most valued one, in fact. Quite simply, yes, colorism in and outside of the USA is always rooted to some extent on a “desire to look more white and less ‘ethnic’”.

[@aaronblackmon5520]

Your half up half down…giving Ariana

[@e.l.lucychiron]

You asked as you were reading the paper, "how can we look for solutions when we aren't on the same page about what the problems are?" We know these problems. The stats you were reading are just confirmations of the most upsetting and hurtful things that black people live with every day: the darker I am, the less people will think of me, the worse they will treat me, the less I will be paid. We get it. YES, the commenter wanted to ask about solutions, because we are tired of hearing the same depressing and defeating things over & over. This might be an issue that I give up on. I swear if I watch one more colorism video that does nothing but gripe about how poorly the world is ready to treat dark skinned people, I might scream... If you repeat something over & over, whether you love the statement or hate it, you WILL come to believe whatever you keep repeating. I'm not doing this with y'all. I managed to be born in 1990 and make it to 32 with a full, whole-hearted belief that people of every color and creed can be beautiful, successful, and worthy of praise. The world now is coming into agreement with me, slowly but surely. What I'm not gonna do, is keep watching y'all bring up old, outdated ideologies and harmful stats, and positing these negative perceptions as inescapable "truths". I'm finna go watch Quinta Brunson or something... Just going to focus on BEING the change I wish to see. If y'all wanna die harping on this depressing ass hill, that's y'all's prerogative. I can't go down with you, or anyone else intentionally or unwittingly perpetuating it.

[@larissalaflore7202]

Colorism is an issue but I agree with you. I don't understand making video after video trying to persuade people to see colorism as a major issue in their lives when it seems some just don't see it that way. I think listing statistics without showing any actual men speaking about their opinions or experiences on this subject doesn't really prove anything about how some of them feel. Some people think other things have more priority.