Triforce! #23 - No More Micro

We talk about poop and weiners before we talk about games and then Bodega. That's as good a formula as you're gonna get on the Triforce Podcast!
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[@fatherofwar1203]

Fucking Iron Giant. I remember that film. I remember being really sad as a kid when i watched it. So good though.

[@TeaMsGu]

George Holland throwback to 1999 :'(

[@insurancefraud4594]

George Holland I literally watched that film last night and had major nostalgia

[@nathan4873]

When I was a kid I cried after watching it.

[@jameslansbury4373]

I remember the book. It was amazing!

[@alec7978]

I always wanted that damn bolt...

[@LakierosJordy]

I wonder how long till Lewis flips out against the constant "You have LITERALLY nothing to do in your life, but when you have kids... " Every single episode almost, man

[@timpeak6143]

Do you have kids?

[@thorbjrn6290]

I think it's because they're jealous

[@nickb808]

12:56 Lewis speaking from experience

[@insurancefraud4594]

my friend thinks that when you jump out a train you will hover in the air and then safely fall to the ground, he's completely sure about it and says that he's right because his parents are physicists

[@Retales]

You know what to do. And don't forget to film it.

[@stalinator9335]

JEENEEUS

[@unknownmemoirs]

You need to run at opposite direction of the train and at the same speed of the train for that to happen. eg. You are inside a train that travels at 10km/h going westward. You need to run eastward at 10km/h, meaning your position relative to the earth is not moving. Moving opposite the direction of the train at the same speed cancels out your speed relative to the earth. I'm not sure about the hovering part, though.

[@DWayneGaming]

Well he's kind of right. If he were able to jump out of the train in the opposite direction with enough force to match the speed of the train, it would cancel out the his movement and he would fall safely. The likelihood of him actually being able to do that is extremely low though. Mythbusters were going to attempt this concept, but decided it was too dangerous as the variables are hard to control.

[@PerfectlyFunctioningAI]

pretty sure the mythbuster did something like this and yea technically if you cancel out the trains traveling speed like you described jumping out would be like you where just jumping in place straight up and down.

[@lyricaljunkster]

Okay guys. Love your work, think about this rationally for a second. If you blackout from falling, explain skydiving, base jumping, bungee jumping, and so on.

[@anti-macro]

Bodega Fun Fact: "Disco Volante" literally means "Flying Saucer" in Italian

[@andrew_radio]

I was just about to watch a repeat triforce then this popped up. Fecking spectacular!

[@wierdpotatoguy]

(26:10) I absolutely consider the iron giant a classic! Tend to watch it every new years eve.

[@AiOinc1]

Whoever doesn't love this podcast either needs to actually listen to it or have some tests done, this is excellent. Dare I say better than the old YogPod, though I'd still like to have another episode or two of that if possible, for old time's sake.

[@prop0042]

If you wish to improve your enjoyment of Triforce, turn on the automatic subtitles.

[@jamesc7827]

Listening to the podcast this morning I had to stop what I was doing, pause the episode, make a cup of coffee, and settle in when I heard Bodega was about to start.

[@HexAyed]

When he was talking about the AI in games, Supreme Commander's AI Adapts to how you play to counter your plans

[@icappel]

Everyone click the adds on these videos to support this podcast!

[@naagly]

I don't think they get more ad revenue if people click on the ads, just if they are seen.

[@icappel]

kevinvh7 I looked it up and you're right. Instead, everybody watch at least 30 seconds of the ad or the whole thing, whichever is shorter (to make it count as an ad view)

[@gregoryroberts3265]

Also not how it works. If you want to increase the amount of monetization you have to increase the actual viewerbase. Google's partners pay more to people with more "family friendly" content & specifically have a set number of views or more. The range goes from $.01-$7.00 CPM(1000 ad views) by simply having everyone here watch the ad, you're basically increasing the monetary value of the video by $1-2 usd. If you want to support the podcast, tell other people that HAVEN'T watched it or already turned it on, to turn it on & watch the preroll & over 30% of the video... and keep in mind the family friendly part.. the algorithms that youtube runs hears them say penis multiple times this video, thus lowering the monetary value in the eyes of Google's ad partners.. so really, unless we get it to be a break out success with 1m+ viewers every Wednesday, they are probably going to average ~ $10-20 for each of these videos/podcasts by the time the month ends and they can pull the revenue. Best support comes from the donations tabs on their twitch.tv accounts.

[@icappel]

Gregory Roberts Thanks for the insight

[@TheNeilwiz01uk]

If you get the chance to skip after 5 and take it do they still get something? Or does it not class as a view? Just wondering because if it doesn't count I would watch at least 30 seconds for some youtubers.

[@willadamou621]

Playing hearthstone while listing to triforce! Best day ever!

[@xkasuragtm7514]

I wish they had a podcast everyday it's soo good

[@Tom_Hillman]

With what Lewis said about finishing a game but not 'playing' it - For me, that is the Fallout franchise. Every single Fallout game I forget to use VATS and end up just playing the game without ever using it. Please tell me that I am not the only one...

[@crafe2305]

You're the only one.

[@olly5018]

Tom Hillman What the FUCK is a VAT!?!??!?!?

[@marioornot]

im so glad you 3 enjoy making these, cause i love em!

[@philistineswine]

The same thing that happened to Lewis with Deus Ex happened to me. I thought the game was going to be twice as long as it was, and when I got to the end I realized the only perks I unlocked were stat increases and hacking requirements.

[@matomicproject6521]

i love listening to this whilst i play the binding of issacc KSP and chiveraly thanks for uploading guys much love

[@JayBingoOnYT]

I love this podcast!! I look forward to it every week!!!

[@ricecommander6151]

Nice podcast.I love how almost no one watches this even though it's amazing just like all their channels

[@mayhem296]

Loved the BODEGA. Keep up the great work!

[@charlief_23x]

That was one of the best starting conversations ever.

[@thegeneralissimo470]

Wargame Red Dragon is basically one of the steepest learning curve games i've played in a while. But it's great.

[@DanMuggeo]

17:20 Lewis is the best!

[@erniespratt1660]

What I thought was gonna happen is that the "Nerd" would get so consumed in flaming Bodega's ship, ignoring the original stink problem entirely, so that Bodega would end up going ballistic and self-destruct the ship (whilst the "Nerd" was still blabbering about something on board). Possibly even ramming it into a nerd colony as well. As in: "At least there's not going to be any stench to worry about anymore."

[@Mazurecki56]

Holy shit I thought the title of this podcast referenced something like Starcraft or similar... Boy oooh boy was I wrong!

[@mmcallery]

these are making great weekly instalments

[@j-mc2144]

3:28 Hot damn, 6 years ago Pyrion only had 500 subs? That's surreal. 33:53 Dishonored is awesome

[@ashenone1996]

But lewis, we love listening to you three talking absolute mince for over an hour, it's the best podcast ever even better than the ricky gervais show

[@anonymus8876]

This is the highlight of my week.

[@TROONTRON]

Bugger me sideways. Triforce!

[@badfanficreading1815]

Trust me, growing on KZbin is just like climbing a giant mountain.

[@dankirt15]

Iove how pyrion called out lewis' cape wanting last episode 🤣

[@kekedemonized8636]

finally been waiting for bodega

[@Broc923]

That's some insanely complicated AI Pyrion wants. As a programmer, the idea of an AI that learns is a bit scary. It's most definitely not a task that could be handled alone. Even if it was possible to make an AI that systematically learns how to play the game, eventually it'd be the top tier player in the world an no one could ever win. The hardest part about creating an AI that learns is calculating for every scenario because if you're not data collecting for something, it won't know what to learn and improve on.(hints why even larger companies working on developing robots don't have an AI that can just magically learn everything like a human but rather it progressively learns how to handle X number of situations better)

[@elio9974]

Yeah people don't really realize the ramifications and how difficult it is to produce a program, let alone an AI, that "learns". It really is bounded by the amount of situations which you can provide for the AI to act on when presented with that or a similar situation. But collecting game information, player information, and strategy, is such an unreasonable and, in some cases, unethical thing to do. Learning is such an infinitely advanced process.

[@anononomous]

Google DeepMind is the sort of thing. In a way I think it's not actually more complicated as such. Creating a self contained program that simulates/competes with a human brain is complicated. Creating a program that learns from looking at extant results of recorded actions is much a much more efficient way of working, albeit much more challenging to create from an intellectual and conceptual point of view.

[@judefullwood7149]

Great podcast keep up the good work

[@lochies5407]

That conversation about urinals is the exact reason I always go to the cubicle, and will actually wait if they're full and the urinals are empty. Anyone else?

[@OddMobileWatcher]

If you turn on closed captions you'd see how every time Lewis says "Deus Ex" it's like, dude sex, or six sex. While when sips says it, it perfectly translates to Deus Ex.

[@mrbarista4045]

What a brilliant episode!

[@Bloom_3D]

last week tonight is the best show ever !

[@Nurr0]

Thank you, listening while I fish the Thondroril River for my corrupted Ashbringer appearance.

[@randomstuff063]

when they were talking about the ai pyrion is describing the end of humanity

[@FioreFire]

41:00 Pyrion has brought up this idea of a computer that uses data from past matches to learn a few times. imagine a computer spending every one of its turns scanning through and sorting millions of points of data. yeah.

[@JB-fk3bt]

God I'm loving the Bodega stories!

[@Starrifyx]

I am friends with 2 devs from the Black Mesa game (the Half Life remake) they not only build it from the ground up, by the sounds of it they design loads of stuffs themselves too. They're really nice guys and it's sometimes interesting listening to them talk about game dev things. xD Also, Bodega has became the part of this podcast I look forward to most. I have a good laugh every time. :D

[@denarii5805]

What does the word bodega mean? noun. A cellar or shop selling wine and food, especially in a Spanish-speaking country or area. Johnson smoked American Spirits, and Melissa hadn't seen a bodega or smoke shop since arriving in the afterworld.

[@AresWasTaken]

The thing about overwatch is that the ultimates are all op af so any ult has a chance of a team wipe, so it can be overtime but then that one ult wipes the enemy team and you win.

[@OrionX700]

Son_0f_Ares Even Symmetra's?

[@Insertnamesz]

I had to walk out during iron giant. That thing scared the shit out of me. Can't remember how old I was :P

[@DamienFatePlays]

Trying to grow a KZbin channel now definitely feels like trying to climb a mountain. There's just too much competition and people providing basically the same content.

[@evallyntc3164]

Damien Fate you gotta give your own signature twist on it that people will like

[@DamienFatePlays]

I agree, but finding that special something is difficult

[@teph1256]

pyrion's co worker was like that guy in my name is nobody with the urinal scene.

[@TheMuchti]

Until recently there was a german Twitch channel called "Rocket Beans TV", which is infact like a TV channel. It had an office behind it and everything. They moved to KZbin now though.

[@KelechiApakama]

Pyrion's impression of Ray Winston 👌👌

[@fancybird274]

Recently I've been watching some TED ed and some of them are alright and informative

[@dubisirie2]

Jesus Christ, these are sooooo goooood

[@midnight_commander]

It's funny to hear people who don't understand machine learning talk about machine learning. If machine learning was that easy to implement into game AI, then it would have already been done.

[@andrewwhite3236]

I love these podcast. I like to listen to them when I workout but fuck its hard to concentrate when youse are so funny. I'd like to meet the yogscast but I live in Australia.

[@ohnoZomBri]

I'm thankful for Lewis begging to move past dicks and shit and vomit each episode. I mean it won't ever work, but at least he's fighting the good fight.

[@MrGeekydan]

Hey yogpod, I'm 17 years old and a junior high school. Next year when i'm 18 my mother said we might go to England because I have always wanted to go there. I don't want to get my hopes too high but in case I do go i was wondering if you have any advice about England.

[@IchiR0kuden4sh1]

Yes! new Triforce on my b-day c:

[@OddMobileWatcher]

52:36 I actually get that way quite a bit, just never concede and see what happens, I was fighting a guy playing paladin who had 28 health and I was a rouge with 8, and I managed to win due to a cheeky c'thun. That got buffed to hell. (Seriously I have never seen a 32/32 C'thun it was fucking insane)

[@tojo15522]

You can't load Chekov's guns and not fire them. I'm expecting Bodega's ship to explode in the near future.

[@jeffviands8484]

It's G force, it's caused by a counterforce to gravity if you want you can look it up.

[@fgnsfgnsfgn]

"Why doesn't firaxis just build an artificial brain???" Great question, guy "Why doesn't firaxis train a model that perfectly knows how to defeat me in every scenario" "Why don't they use information from games that have completely different mechanics to train a computationally intensive model on a new game." jesus christ

[@gregoryroberts3265]

He doesn't care that it would be unbeatable. He also doesn't realize that on Prince(only difficulty in the prerelease) difficulty you're actually fighting an AI which is handicapped by the game to be worse than you from the get go. The problem I have with his plan is that he basically wants to make Civ a sentient robot.

[@foreng3095]

To be fair, Civ V had shitty AI, AI in Vox Populi is much better than the default one. And at least in IV and I'm not sure about V Prince difficulty is the one where neither you nor AI get any buffs.

[@Blitzkrieger17]

you have been denounced!

[@Scio_]

But the gist of the issues he points out do exist, and what more, game AI that has most of the improvements he suggests, (perceptually nondeterministic, fuzzy-logical, locally emergent) exists as well, _while still being fun:_ Arcen's AI War. Advanced AI is very rare, but people do try! We're not quite massively machine-learning general-purpose strategic savant systems quite yet, but a man can dream!

[@OrionX700]

fgnsfgnsfgn "Why doesn't Firaxis build an artificial intelligence that can beat humans in warfare?" probably because they don't want to destroy humanity

[@indio6139]

why isnt it on itunes yet?! Please, I love this podcast on my ipod!!! :D

[@taterpotato]

It is on iTunes, it's under the same thing as the YogPod.

[@smilz58]

the run on jokes are strong with this series

[@Adam-lt4fx]

being a skydiver i'm very sure you don't black out from falling out a plane.. i've been thrown out and not blacked out lol :') although i remember when i first started learning to breath when flying through the air was odd.. its like being head on with a strong wind, you feel like you cant breath but in reality you can breath just like normal

[@timpeak6143]

But you have a parachute, if you just fall out of one and have nothing you can do you might black out

[@TheNeilwiz01uk]

i think some people die from fright before they hit the ground when falling to their death, not 100% sure tho, obviously only people without parachutes :P

[@firefaux64]

You guys should try playing ICO, the predecessor to Shadow of the Colossus. It's an incredible game that really feels like a world that's been built for you to explore

[@bdemelo]

Pyrion is dead wrong about gambling being the main reason people watch esports. I guess since het doesn't enjoy it himself he has to justify it by making himself feel morally superior for not watching the "gambling" games.

[@sneg__]

lol @ Pyrion doesn't like Esports. Do you know who Pflax is?

[@Woodyzor]

Pyrion literally plays dota like daily. He attends multiple tournaments a year as a panelist or interviewer. I would say he knows what he's talking about.

[@llodoroo]

He also actively supports Bournemouth FC as well...

[@fatherofwar1203]

He was comparing it to sports. A reasonable assumption at least.

[@InsaneChef]

pyrion is a sports fanatic ya dummy. he has like 2k hours in football manager

[@Adam-lt4fx]

also btw interactive vibrator/fleshlights actually already exist!

[@redhairydevil]

You wouldn't blackout from falling from a building, a lot of blackout is because of pressure changes in your head caused by stuff like g force and altitude changes

[@Erugula]

Who else expected rants for mobile micro transactions?

[@Nova2point1]

I expected micro-managing

[@Da_Juice]

Pyrion, do you have any idea how expensive and difficult it would be to develop an A.I that learns and makes choices based on previous experiences?

[@luchulf5244]

omg pyrion Bodega uses twopeados, what a reference

[@Stiflex]

40:40 I agree, a lot of strategy video games have shit AI's: Hearts of iron, Total war, Civilization. However, you've played against prince, and with higher difficulty it'll get a little better, but they're still stupid.

[@naagly]

They don't get any smarter on higher difficulties they just get more aggressive and bigger bonuses.

[@Stiflex]

kevinvh7 That's why I mentioned that they're still stupid. They do in fact do not get any smarter. However, at higher difficulties they're buffed up a bit, so that their retarded decisions don't completely let them fall behind.

[@markusjortveit5584]

56:30 for bodega

[@angryballs77]

Bodega reminds me of a more hardcore "Space Dandy"

[@AndreaAttard]

THE IRON GIANT IS AMAZING !

[@ShoSavage]

Lewis triggered from P flax and sips saying "Isray-el" too close to an old enemy...

[@MrAntieMatter]

Wednesdays are the best!

[@MrAntieMatter]

That intro by itself almost feels like it could be animated, almost.

[@xkasuragtm7514]

They should animate the part where Lewis said "it was me" when they start talking about micro-penis

[@oscarmursu1023]

MrAntieMatter is it time to get angory?

[@TheOzTurkish]

I was watching sips n sjin playing portal 2 the other day

[@phulcrum1984]

Atlas Reactor is a very fun game. The only problem that "free to play" is more like a demo. Even the devs call the free part of Atlas Reactor a demo.

[@Jon_beetle]

I think the reason way you black out is due to the large increase and then drop in blood pressure due to fear.

[@OfficialMorda]

Last week of work... I guess it doesn't really matter how weird this'll look on my history

[@johnsalvucci5674]

Iron Giant and John Oliver. Instantly my favorite podcast episod.

[@whiskeyjuliet]

FYI Butcher is a great game if you like a challenging platformer.

[@thetrashman5381]

The vagina adapter bit killed me

[@Scio_]

Pyrion _needs_ to play AI Wars: Fleet Command

[@doowinitright]

56:35 Beginning of bodega

[@wingedbeegoddess7392]

Classic episode

[@8008man2]

Last week tonight is a perfect example of well executed bias. I agree, they do make salient points, and they do it very well. However, they also omit a LARGE amount of details and evidence that in any ways clashes with their viewpoints, but they cover that all up with comedy and just enough resources to make it seem like the whole picture. People watch the show, are entertained, and because they want to keep the good spirit going, they don't bother to do any research or fact checking.

[@tadas8113]

You guys should try Path of Exile. It's really great and I think especially Lewis and Sips would love it!

[@MikeDaWulfe]

Heksor its super repetitive tho and the community is composed of mostly micro-penises. Norm, Cruel and Merc - yawn. Lab farming is boring. at least the voice acting for Malachi is grand and good story line... kinda

[@MikeDaWulfe]

Heksor if you've already endured the games Diablo and Diablo 2-LoD. then a game like PoE offers nothing really new. Also... so much trash drops..shouldn't Have To download a loot filter when 95% of what drops is crap.

[@Hush4k]

"It was me" :D

[@logsybox2581]

Major flashbacks to the last steam store review episode...

[@Zer0sLegion]

On the subject of Discord, Amazon tried to buy it to fully integrate with Twitch but they declined because they want to make Discord the way they envision. So amazon bought Curse instead.

[@ezz625]

I buggy jumped of the highest buggy bridge in the world, didn't black out.

[@wellthatsbizarre3101]

The civ AI thing P-Flax is always talking about has some big problems. The main problem being the fact that after about a week, the AI will be too good to be beaten.

[@andrewzmorris]

No, the real problem is that we don't actually know how to code an AI that could actually learn and improve at something as complex as Civ in any practical sense. AI is *really* hard, and a learning AI is even harder. Maybe in 50 years.

[@TheClassySeal]

Peaky Blinders as a great show on Netflix. Please check it out

[@jenniferkidd8614]

it is so good

[@thegodpapa3372]

TheClassySeal i respect that

[@TheNeomess]

TheClassySeal y7

[@Chaguarr]

When sips said he's 56 I hope he this was in season 1

[@jbwindstorm]

Prior to watching this, I thought it was going to be about microtransactions.......boy was I wrong