Your Sleeping Solution to Neck Pain (Arthritis, Disc Herniation, Spondylosis) - Dr Alan Mandell, DC

[@tonymallia1940]

Dr Mandell I am finally getting around to writing this to you. I have had neck pain from a pinched nerve (C6,7) for 7 months with pain down my right arm and hand. I went to Chiropractors and Orthopedic sports medicine Dr's. I also did a full course of Physical therapy for my herniated disks. Even tried a spinal epidural with no success. After many other exercises, along with supplements, I was really exhausted trying to get rid of the pain. I then came across this video and ordered a collar. After about two nights the pain went away. I was truly shocked. A ten dollar collar changed my life. I don't know how to Thank you enough. This video was a God send. You are Awesome!

[@ahmdnaube3745]

Happy to hear..... Your story. As a person who is suffering from this i really felt your feelings

[@aunzaidi6394]

Was it long term??

[@tonymallia1940]

Yes, I have been pain free ever since. Any time I start to get symptoms I make sure to start sleeping with the collar again. @@aunzaidi6394

[@JJbro-rt5zu]

Arr you still well?

[@tonymallia1940]

@@JJbro-rt5zu Yes, Thank you

[@mikefc55]

boy, it's sure comforting to find a video where a knowledgeable doctor confirms what you're doing. I just started wearing my collar at night three days ago. This after using it only during periods of tremendous pain from spasms caused by osteophytes at C2,C3. They were visible to MRI when I was 42, now at age 63 the arthritis is interfering much more in daily life. Dr. Mandell, you saved me a lot of pain when you showed that the McKensie method of neck extensions are bad for my problem. As I began to suffer more I started the McKensie Method as I had when I was a young man, but I noticed much more pain, and now I know why thanks to you.! So , I'm off to find that perfect pillow, and with some chamomile tea and a collar I look forward to relief. THANK YOU and GOD BLESS!

[@katherineirons6245]

Did you ever find a good pillow? Please share if you did, much appreciation! Thank you!

[@lorii2835]

I came across this video last night as I was experiencing cervical vertigo, and tried sleeping this way and woke up better this morning. God is good, He will send us the right recourses. Don't give up friends my prayer for you all is that you will get better. Thank you sir for putting up these videos. God bless you.

[@benstan4978]

5 months later how are you? Is is still worth it?

[@aunzaidi6394]

Reply bro

[@drdebocherry]

You r the best thing that ever happened to the internet. You are saving people's lives.

[@nooksy1114]

I found proof in my life ...., I was diagnosed neck arthritis, started using those neck collar, half of my suffering gone in a day.

[@starlite7785]

Did you experience vertigo?

[@alluarjunandramcharanstudi4206]

What you mean by arthritis? Can you tell me the symptoms

[@alifathi6170]

I had a pinched nerve in my upper back, for over a month a lot of pain specially when i try to lay down in bed, the soft cervical collar you suggested really helped i only used it for few days and i am feeling much better. i wish you the best, thank you Doctor

[@Poetry4Peace]

Yay

[@aunzaidi6394]

Did it really healed???

[@SteveParker-r5f]

Dr Mandell: I had a pain in neck radiating upward for three years until I saw this video. I used all kind of medications and none of them worked. I slept with this collar and within a week the pain was gone. You are awesome

[@sunithavijaya9942]

Where should I buy this collar?

[@katherineirons6245]

@@sunithavijaya9942Amazon if you haven’t found one by now!

[@stephenmangum9337]

I've been using a cervical collar just like this one for a couple weeks now every night when I go to bed and it really helps my chronic neck arthritis pain.

[@777smuki]

Thank you for such simple and common sense advice that NO doctor or therapist has ever taught us ( patients with cervical degenerative diseases) I’ve been doing this through trial and error and finally figured it out myself. 🙏🏽

[@maherdubaivlogs7503]

How are u dear?

[@bridgettebassa8691]

Thank you! I haven't slept through the night or woken without pain in over a year- excited to try this as I've tried every pillow out there! Thank you and Godspeed!!

[@parthasarathiperabathini6622]

I had been suffering from pinched nerve in my neck and dizziness for the last one year. I followed your exercises and used cervical pillow. Now my problem is solved completely. Thank you very much sir.

[@unknownab4088]

how you managed sir please reply i am suffering from same

[@kanagalakshmi2310]

Same problem sir. How you managed sir.1 years I have this problem.i am only 25 year old.plz reply sir

[@parthasarathiperabathini6622]

@@kanagalakshmi2310 I started neck relaxing exercises. If the neck is pulled slightly with our hands it will relax. You can also find different exercises online. You may opt some of them as per your convenience. Next I purchased servical pillow and used it wisely. It is to be used instructions carefully. Don't expect immediate solution. Follow them at least two weeks. Your problem will be solved. All the best.

[@SullivanMarketing]

Bro jus saved my life been dealing with neck pain for 3 years now and jus went and bought one of these from cvs and already seeing pain relief in my bed.. nothing would help no sleep position or anything cause at night my neck would always extend too far down and I would get pain when I wake up. But this device prevents that so it can heal. Thank god for this video

[@NuLiForm]

Doc....You are like my Guru......can't count how many ways your vids have helped me thru the years....i am so Grateful you are alive & with us...Blessings to You & Yours!

[@amitisshahbanu5642]

I am 75 and mostly recently I have been dealing with neck and upper back pain from an accident I had 20+ years ago. I have ordered the Neck Helper but will try this simple advice for sleep and see what happens. It makes sense. Keep your chin up!

[@katherineirons6245]

Funny thing I asked a chiropractor about doing this and he said it would weaken my neck, so I stopped but now I came across your video and it makes sense that it won’t weaken the neck, while sleeping bc your muscles are at rest anyway! Thank you Dr Mandell, your videos have helped me more so far than the numerous doctors and some were neurologists! Thank you for actually wanting to help people and their pain instead of just recommending another pill to mask the problem!!!

[@nativechique7589]

I will follow your stretches this week twice a day. I'm so done with pain

[@alshifapharmacy7214]

Dr.Mandell your videos are really very helpful. i have been following many of your advice's from past above 6 months and the results are miraculous. my neck symptoms are diminishing day by day... thank a lot for your precious advises and valuable videos.. my age is 30 and i have been suffering these neck issues from 7 years in past had popped up many muscle relaxants but after watching your videos never needed again... hope to get my neck back to normal again soon.... Ahmed for K.S.A

[@AA-pu5qj]

Guide us to the straight path!! Hey what neck pain do u have? My back neck muscle are sore and it's causing headaches. What should I do?

[@Khushi_K6]

Hi Doctor, my friend is having neck pain since a very long time. She had to visit the orthologist. The doctor advised her to wear a neck collar for neck support. Now she always wears the neck collar. But still she wasn't comfortable while sleeping while wearing a neck brace. I showed her this video and it helped her alot. Thank you Doctor for this helpful video.

[@sunithavijaya9942]

Where should I buy this neck collar?

[@Khushi_K6]

@@sunithavijaya9942 You can buy it from any medical store around you or online.

[@john1802]

Thank you very much for your great recommendation. You're a true Doctor.

[@MrsCollVani]

After years and years neck pain (6 to 7) finally slept so well, i couldnt keep it on for longer than a few hours as i felt like i might get choked (i turn move a lot) but those 3 hours made my mornings a blissful event now. I even dreamt of becoming a calmer person like a saint because the neck pain was subsiding)

[@SuperGigi120]

Do you still have neck pain?

[@katherineirons6245]

I hear you with only keeping it on a few hours bc you feel like you’re choking! Hope your well!

[@28fabrice]

It's like you are following me with my neck issues 🙂 Thank you so much Dr Mandell You are so passionate about your work

[@TexasNightRider]

I am experiencing a pinched nerve in my neck that causes left arm pain especially at night. Your videos have proven to be very helpful. Thank you.

[@samyelalem]

Did you ever fix your problem? If yes, what helped you the most? I am going through the same thing.

[@drdebocherry]

2weeks post multi cervical laminectomy with no fusion- my surgeon said I didn't need to wear collar while sleeping but I find it most important time- per this video-. Thank you.

[@marilynnfrazier1960]

Thank you so much Dr. Mandell. You nailed it again! I have pinched nerves in my neck and sleeping has been a challenge. Your idea is my next move. Bless you!!

[@regina6838]

Did it work for you?

[@TheRanchNumber51]

Thank you, this is exactly what I needed to know. I bought a neck brace JUST to sleep because of a pinched nerve, but I wasn’t sure it’s safe.

[@katherineirons6245]

How has your sleep been and are you still using the neck collar?

[@robhouck3034]

Yes!!! Very good advice! And this is from a patient with two neck surgeries and probably a third on the way.

[@susany5530]

Your music to my ears dr M. Why did I not think of that it’s such a brill idea, and my prayers at this particular time have been heard to God the Great to the sad loss of those dearly lost people with prayers to their families of 9.11🙏❤️💕

[@oohyllab]

I hope & pray this works. I am going to try this tonight for apnea too, without my dental guard, because it is destroying my neck n tmj. I can't go on with the pain. Desperate, and am trying. Another YT vid said this can work (not always tho) for apnea.

[@5DNRG]

Praying you are sleeping and healing better.

[@852jacks]

Hi Dr. Mandell. I am experiencing pain on the right side of my neck, shoulder and arm on down to my hand. I am going to try the collar tonight and hopefully I can get some relief and sleep. Thank you always.

[@amberdunn7219]

Did it help?

[@pete98146]

With all due respect, I highly encourage folks do NOT do this. I too have neck pain and I tried to sleep with a colar on my neck. A few weeks later, I was having problems with my ear. I went to the doctor and nobody could figure out why. I soon discovered it was from wearing the neck brace while sleeping. What was happening was it was pulling on my SCM muscle which was pulling my inner ear out of alignment!! I stopped wearing the brace and my ear problems went away. Thought I'd share!

[@frzana4681]

Dr. U r an angel on earth💟

[@Starlightskipper]

Here here!

[@5DNRG]

After 10+ car accidents 20 yrs ago (none my fault!), my chronic neck pain is well managed with Medical Marijuana and nightly neck exercises, but my osteo sd it's also ok to use a cervical collar at night if needed. Thank you Doc for your healing wisdom!!

[@lw7654]

Yikes. Many years ago I had a sore neck from doing yardwork. I put some BenGay on my neck and put on a cervical collar and I went to bed. I had laid on my back. I woke up in the middle of the night having vertigo, really bad. I literally fell out of bed. I had no clue what was going on, this was before doing any research online or having any neck issues. It really scared me. After that the vertigo never came back, however I felt like I was going to be dizzy. I went to a chiro and she said it was my SCM. I wouldn’t let her adjust my neck, never, however she had one of her massage therapists massage my scm. Looking back, that girl had no clue how to massage that muscle. Didn’t get any better, still had that nasty feeling. Then I went to my general doc, he gave me muscle relaxants. I don’t like taking pills , but did one day, they didn’t help. I then went to a neurologist, he looked at my plain film xray and said I had stenosis and would have to live with it. He was an idiot. I didn’t give up. A friend of ours referred me to another neuro doc. He did a cervical and thoracic mri. He told me those were normal. He said go to a medical store, get an over the door traction unit, do it twice a day for 20 minutes. Come back in 6wks and see me. I was better in 4 wks. It ended up being a weakness or an alignment issue with my neck muscles. One things for sure though, I will never wear a collar to bed again. It restricts your neck. Bad idea, Just wanted to share.

[@gladtidings4all]

Hello, I have written a couple of times. I’m a 62 yr old female 5 ft 135 lbs I have LEFT elbow pain in the funny bone area. And also severe inflamed painful LEFT trigger thumb where it snaps, and I tried all the exercises even the neck exercises. Nothing works. I also have pain in my neck. I used to get cervical traction which helped a lot. I’m thinking of buying on Amazon the Saunders neck traction unit. I’m in the process of moving. Sent everything shipped to Puerto Rico and staying temporary with my son. Suffering because I can’t hold anything with my left hand, difficulty dressing.

[@kathym6603]

I have a collar for Tech Neck. I wear it while using the computer. It is like a cradle for my head. It is sooo comfortable.

[@nicolas8344]

Excellent advice Dr. Mandell, love your videos they are very helpful! Thank you so much! 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@rajaadawood5171]

The neck collar is really a great tip for me to reduce my pain👍 thanks a lot Dr Mandell 🙏🌹🌿❤️

[@alluarjunandramcharanstudi4206]

Can we use it at night? I mean long hours?

[@nickifoxy5953]

HIIIII DR MANDELL!! *waves all crazy* I've missed you!! I went through a very depressive state and wasn't social much at all. I'm starting to feel a bit better and hope to comment more on your amazing videos. Also, thank you soo much for this tip!! I'll buy one on Amazon!! My neck and upper back are my worst pains. By the way, Merry Christmas and have a great New Year!! :))

[@richardagustin6119]

So helpful tips for my good sleep that worked so well. Thanks Dr. Jesus bless you.

[@c.a.6636]

I tried this with a new collar, sleeping on back and circulation was cut off back of neck. Woke up, took it off and had hard thumping/pumpkin of blood flow in back of neck/bas of skull

[@FOH45]

next time not too tight

[@starlite7785]

Did u experience vertigo??

[@RandyFricke]

I use a neck travel pillow for when watching movies or working online.

[@gabonation1971]

I tagged everyone on my Facebook love you Doc you make life easier Big Brother ❤️ 🙏🏾

[@catherinelevison3310]

‘This is exactly my latest question. I had this idea and was wondering if wearing a collar when sleeping was good or not. Thank you!

[@fashionfitnesstrends5668]

Yes same.....what if our throat push by collar while sleep and we die..😥

[@catherinelevison3310]

FashionFitnessTrends ..... our bodies would fight back. The only way that could happen is if we were a helpless infant or so very ill, or elderly, that we can no longer move. Our bodies fight for that next breath unless we have issues with our autonomic nervous system. Your brain stem will fight for a breath. Your body would wake up and move items until you could breath.

[@catherinelevison3310]

FashionFitnessTrends ... my question, I was asking myself, was regarding whether the collar would weaken the neck muscles. Apparently, it could if worn by day too much but it will be okay at night. It will help support us in healthy posture.

[@BigSM_hater_pinkblood]

So what js the answer

[@heatherallingham7120]

Thanks for the side lying tips, because I get sleep paralysis when I sleep on my back

[@kimminott]

Sorry I forgot to say I use a neck pillow from the airport to sleep all the time I cannot use a pillow it hurts and is not comfortable I occasionally use a towel rolled up under my neck and neck pillow when I turn on my side I sleep around 4 hours maximum and I have sleep apnoea so I use a mask which attaches around my head and neck but not too tightly feels quite comfortable most of the time. I’m watching your videos and listening to your advice but it’s hard to decide the best ones for me and my condition. In case I didn’t mention my disc c6 was taken out 12 years ago after an mri scan and persistent pain in those areas. Thank you.

[@joann5157]

Your suggestions have helped me tremendously! Thank You!!!

[@mrs.mmmiles59]

I tried this and it works thank you so much Dr you are appreciated.

[@prachihingorani1136]

God bless you doctor. I slept peacefully today thanks to your pillow strategy. God bless you. Please Keep doing the good work. You are gifted 😘 oh and I didn’t use the collar yet I shall consult my doc if I need one as my pain is due to a wrong yoga pose.

[@aunzaidi6394]

Did it helped u in long term

[@prachihingorani1136]

@@aunzaidi6394 sorry, I have no memory of this anymore, I’m not having any recall memory neither.

[@ejf0255]

Seriously you are the best !!! Love it !!!

[@MsJustice007]

Thank you so much for this, Dr. Mandell!!! This will help me more than you'll ever know, I just "know" it!!! Susan near Chicago

[@motivationaldoc]

Hi Susan, yes this can make a big difference in many. The problem with sleeping are the positions we unconsciously put the neck through. Many Blessings to a Healthy and Happy New Year.

[@desireeadrian5722]

Thank you for sharing the sleeping tips. My Pain Doctor/Neurologists suggested the collar to sleep, but didn’t clarify the pillow progression or the pillow under the knees. I do want to ask you a question. If I also have CCI would there be different ways to sleep with cranial cervical instability? Would it be better to wear the neck brace more during the day or when in pain or other symptoms?

[@c.a.6636]

How did you get diagnosed with CCI? What kind of imaging?

[@allibutler3422]

You don't want to wear the collar more than you need it; doing so will make your neck even weaker.

[@allibutler3422]

@@c.a.6636 an MRI, usually seated, and a good neurosurgeon who specializes in CCI.

[@desireeadrian5722]

@@c.a.6636 I’m still working on navigating this. I just got a letter a couple of weeks ago, stating I have a new GP... So, feeling like I’m back to square one.

[@desireeadrian5722]

@@allibutler3422 correct. A sitting or standing MRI will show more than when you’re laying down. It took me 3 years to get a single MRI, but it was laying down.

[@jedsingh1792]

Hello, Dr. Alan! Do you have any suggestions for a good bed mattress for someone with cervical spondylosis?

[@karenbrown780]

Just was diagnosed with spondylosis on my neck and it's inflamed as well. Thanks Dr for your tips I just started to sleep with folded towel under knees and towel under my neck. Will purchase the collar many thanks Can I still horse ride?

[@HappyCat3096]

I have tried sleeping on my back and cannot do it. I sleep on my side with a Jackson roll. I try to do the McKenzie chin retraction when I am lying down otherwise the back of my neck can go into spasm. I have often thought of getting a neck collar. Maybe I will try one now. Try napping with it first and see how that feels before I try it for a whole night.

[@iuliasasaki921]

Thank you doctor Alan Mandell !

[@betsymabry7953]

Thank you. Tonight I'm using a cervical collar to stabilize the neck more!

[@khannooniansingh1360]

Betsy Mabry how did it work

[@FOH45]

@@khannooniansingh1360 i usually just wrap a towel

[@starlite7785]

Anyone experience cervical vertigo??

[@danza88]

You're an amazing guy! Thank you so much for all the videos you do and all for nothing in return! You're fantastic

[@maryjean5090]

Will this help to prevent forward head posture while sleeping? I need help with this, I'm doing PT for forward head posture, but I know I sleep with my chin to my chest and it's really messing with my progress.

[@boostandflow4603]

Same here. Did it help?

[@janagankarthikeyan5234]

Your doing great job. Thank you

[@mariMar808]

I’ve been thinking about doing this for a while! I’ll start doing it a couple of times a week because I do roll on my belly while asleep 😩

[@CatskillsGrrl]

My sincere gratitude!

[@khaliedahmedkhaliedahmed4748]

Thanks doc today I buy it so i am afraid to sleep if I wear it so i just waching ur video so thanks again

[@frzana4681]

Happy new year dr n all your viewers 🎂

[@gabonation1971]

That’s a brilliant idea Doc ❤️ 🙏🏾

[@shabbymaverick7975]

Thank you for this video. I surely have learned a lot from you ♡♡♡

[@parthgulwani5727]

Should coller wear all the time. Even in sleeping time?

[@justcruisina1ong]

I'm a back sleeper and I see ppl recommend putting a pillow underneath the knees to take pressure off the lower back but, after a while, I'll get cramps down my leg. The pillow under the knees feels like it's affecting circulation. Is it really necessary to have that?

[@MrsCollVani]

No

[@darijatoenglish7227]

Best sleeping = Best day

[@masomehart9747]

Thank you doctor for everything. Amazing information

[@mariesimons2272]

I use this at night best way to get a pain free sleep

[@mountain5623]

Happy day to you too. ❤

[@roberttradd1224]

Thank you so very much, ive been struggling with this for some time

[@ponchanonrone7031]

Hi Dr., I had severe neck pain with radiation to left arm for last month. Now it's improved. I was regularly watching few helpful tips from your channel. I have some specific questions. Can I have your email address?

[@MizzoFizzo]

Thank you ..your videos helped me so much for my healing process

[@apacur]

What if you have the neck reversal problem? The neck is too straight, doesn't curve. What position is best for that? I've heard sleeping Without a pillow flat on the mattress can be best for some?

[@sarahpayne5115]

I need a good pillow, have neck pain often upon wakening. I've tried dozens. Help!

[@adaharrisonn]

What's your most comfortable position to sleep in? Side, back, stomach?

[@trish2687]

@@adaharrisonn if one's a side sleeper?

[@adaharrisonn]

@@trish2687 you'll want to find a pillow that is very thick and firm, the goal is to completely fill the space between your head and the edge of your shoulder when on your side, in a way that your head when laying is neither tilted towards the ceiling or towards the bed. Some pillows are thick but too soft and so even though they fill the space, your head slowly sinks more into the pillow through the night and leaves your head tilted downwards for many hours and will probably leave you hurting at some point. Some pillows are just too big and will leave your head at an angle against the pillow and will leave your head bent the other way all night and cause the same problem. It takes a few tries but i recommend a pillow with SHREDDED memory foam; has the memory foam which will keep your head cradled and comfy but because of the way the foam is dispered (not in a solid piece), it keeps its shape really well and doesn't flatten over time like most fluff or down pillows do.

[@trish2687]

@@adaharrisonn Thankyou, didn't think of getting a shredded one. Good idea. 😀👍

[@FOH45]

tie a towel if u dont have a neck brace, not too tight though

[@richardb767]

Would you recommend using neck brace to help sleep apnea?

[@hephzibahb7705]

Thanks for all you do any advise regarding pinched nerves?

[@FightinCB]

Sir, what if I lay down normally using a cervical pillow and my neck still spasms? I re injured an old neck injury and cannot sleep with out spasms.

[@mcheng102]

What is the link for the cervical collar you got there? I look at the description and nothing there. I want the one you used. Please let me know the link. Thank you.

[@biglifeesamvlogs6255]

Wow its old video but im watching it today, your videos r amazinggg

[@halley807]

Thanks alot. It has helped tremendously.

[@yevchu4580]

Really worked for me! Thanks doc ;)

[@joyous2gbtg]

What about those who need to be elevated due to reflux, breathing issues, etc?

[@chandansharma3236]

u r godsend...god bless u doctor.🙏🙏

[@darijatoenglish7227]

You're amazing Doctor

[@anne9138]

Hello Doc and to everyone in here! Does anyone have a link for a good neck collar? Thanks a lot!

[@alfred576]

Hi doc I have been suffering from chronic neuropathic pain for the last 4 weeks. Old bike accident injuries came back to haunt me back in August 2022. The pain is extreme burning, tingling spreading downwards, totally unbearable. I can't have nothing touching the back of my neck because it causes pain. I have intense pain whether I lie on my right, left or the back. What solutions or alternatives are there? This incredible pain has sent me into a deep depression and I always feel exhausted. Even Amitriptyline does not help me much. Looks like I am screwed for life. Thank you.

[@Bunz..]

Did you try anything that brought relief?

[@22-abqariyahyakheen59]

How are you now??

[@mikeetron]

Thanks and Happy New Year.

[@ejb2184]

You have a nice audio book voice I can go to sleep listening to you

[@gaylecheung3087]

Yeah I saw that about the pharmacy wash it came in also some other colours

[@jonburrows2684]

Well hello Gayle

[@anjumanara3493]

Thankyou for your good tips.

[@zaria8121]

where r u located? having herniated disc, facet arthropathy and compression on my spinal cord and possible vertebra fracture i can see in my MRI the lines that look alot like a fractured bone.this happen 9yrs ago from a car accident. ive been watching it over the years to see if it heals or gets worse so far MRIs show worse and now my pain has gotten worse last night but been dealing with the same pain in same area for weeks would come and sort of go away not totally my pain is in the upper back left side only going down my left arm and across my upper chest over the heart area. pain radiates down my back, into the arm to the fingers an into my chest over my heart. should I go get it checked out? Ive been waiting to go see a surgeon about this to see what they can do. thanks for any info.

[@starlite7785]

Do u experience vertigo?

[@pamelataylor4091]

This does help me tremendously!

[@ebo7310]

Had I known this 6 months ago. I probably wouldn't have had acdf surgery.

[@claw2093]

urgent I am taking long haul flights with two stopovers coming Friday starting to worry with my suspected cervical mylopathy at C3 to C5 levels, should I have something to protect my neck or should I cancel my flights. I have MRI done last Sept waiting to see a specialist. any suggestion ? Thanks. symptoms are not obvious, just some neck pain.

[@kissmeekisscm1699]

Thanks, you are the best, kiss from Germany

[@estebanquito545]

i have a collar like that, i am trying this tonight! thanks Dr!

[@ButteredToastwKelly]

I see Doctors Best magnesium on your bedside table

[@vladar1986]

Thats benfotiamine

[@5150-Time]

This is the one option I have not tried - the cervical collar! My pain (from a herniated cervical disk) is by far at its worse in the morning when I wake. the pain is terrible! I have tried multiple pillows and have yet to find a solution. Thank you for the suggestion - getting one today and will report on it's results. Maybe this will help others to find a remedy as well. God Bless!

[@boostandflow4603]

How did it go? Did it help?