Silent Hill 2 - Maria Labyrinth Jail Cell Full Scene Comparison [Enhanced Edition vs Remake]

[@Loveless1128]

I definitely prefer the original Maria's delivery, with the way she actually sounds like two different people instead of Maria just saying something that only Mary would know about. But the new James's performance shows a bit more nuance in how he's struggling with wanting his wife back and having a replacement throw herself at him-well, not throwing as much as the original did, but still.

[@BunnychanFarabee]

Except here she *doesn't* throw herself at him, which kind of misses the whole point. They really blew it with the new Maria.

[@mysterycharm03]

@@BunnychanFarabeeIt's because Maria's goal is to confuse James or make him submit. She doesn't threw herself in because she was there to boss around James and manipulate him, make him feel weak. Maria embodies some Memories and traits of Mary and her as a unique entity of her own. It was explained in born from a wish that she has an existential crisis. The remake Maria is desperate to be Mary and she even pretended to be her in the climax. OG Maria understands that she is indeed her own entity that's why she shuts off James Immediately when she was mistaken again as Mary. I bet everytime she will be killed by pyamid head she wouldnt remember. It was meant for that memory to be erased like a cache in her.

[@desfefe]

New james with old Mary/Maria. Would be perfect

[@komerihimura]

I love how Maria flips back and forth between herself and Mary and when James asked "Aren't you Maria?" She looks at him dead in the eyes, her face darkened by the obstructing light on the opposite end, as her expression turned dead pan with just a sharp remark. "I'm not your Mary." One of my favorite lines in the scene which sadly got tone down in the remake. I think the VAs are doing the best they can, but Maria/Mary was probably one of the best actors in the OG that it would be impossible to replicate because she was an amateur actor. I love this new version of James though, probably more than the OG.

[@shibitoobscura3348]

Takayoshi Sato did a wonderful job creating these CGI cutscenes in the original. In both Silent Hill 1 and 2, he worked on them alone, doing most of these cutscenes (all of it in the case of SH1) by himself. He really was prodigee of CGI.

[@lunarpunkchunk]

Seriously say what you will about maria, and i agree the original performance for her was better, but James is on another level, man. He seems like a living, breathing person. His mannerisms are unreal, its uncanny seeing someone in a video game move and act like a real person like this

[@Young_Special]

They missed the black shadows within her eyes.

[@dokkaebean2242]

now replaced with a deathly glare

[@alt0799]

The final shot of the remake definitely made up for that though with the eerie final shot.

[@mehdigeek]

that last shot in the remake is haunting

[@sacherry5300]

I think we have an interesting trade off here. I really prefer the original VA for Maria in this scene, there’s just such an interesting balance of sweet, seductive, and bite from her that the new one kind of lacks. Specifically with the delivery of “I’m not your Mary” being so sharp and biting, truly one of my favorite line readings in the series. The new VA is great, but the direction she was given for the scene just doesn’t reach the same heights. Her tone is pretty consistent through the scene, so you don’t get that same disturbing shift of tones that felt like more than one person is talking in the original. And as many have said, the lack of scorn in the “I’m not your Mary” is really missed here. On top of that, the new game lacks the ethereal lighting of the original scene that made her seem so hollow, with the shadows constantly cast over her eyes to make them seem like empty sockets (I can give a little leeway there since it could’ve been too complex for the new game’s lighting engine to replicate compared to the pre-rendered cutscenes of the original, but still sad to see that detail lost). James’ VA though was great. The original was fine, you can sense the panic and confusion, but has the classic PS2 amateur voice acting. The new actor though really sells the conflict in James here: he’s shocked, conflicted, and at times almost seems dissociated from reality trying to make sense of things. Plus the way he just stares off while occasionally shifting his glance to Maria in the chair while trying to make sense of what to do in the end makes the scene far more compelling on his end. So all in all I’d say the original scene has a far more interesting Maria, while the new one has a far more interesting James.

[@BunnychanFarabee]

Oh absolutely the new actress/dialogue blew it. She totally misses the whole delicate balance of doting/seductive and plays it with full acerbic wit here.

[@JohnDWJ]

Agreed on all fronts.

[@DarkHarpuia]

100% agreed. That incredibly cutting "I'm not your Mary." from the original is by far my favorite line in the game, and the voice direction just didn't quite get the new VA to hit that note, which is really sad. As you said, the new James voice is amazing, though. One thing I dislike about this scene in the Remake (and that's something I noticed throughout the remake in general) is that there is way too little pause between lines. Those extra milliseconds can change the pace of the whole scene, and I wish they'd fine-tuned that better.

[@greyblenaut]

This might be a hot take but overall I like and felt more attached to the Remake Maria. That being said, I was waiting on the edge of my seat for that "I'm not your Mary" because the original actress' read of that line was so under the surface unsettling and amazing (combined with the great shadows on her face). The new actress knocked it out of the park but the direction on that particular line was lost. They still do a good job of making her gaze threatening

[@luisgg5079]

Oh boi facial expressions on the remake are just deligthful, it´s like watching a really amazing actor doing his job on a movie

[@joelmichaelviado1226]

There’s something kind of distinctly Silent Hill 2 with the original CG that didnt carry over to the remake. Perhaps its the deep shadows that give the characters a kind of sunken feel to them.

[@c.h.6669]

New cutscene has a better James and a worse Maria. Eh...

[@waltwhite8126]

I prefer the new Maria, I understand why ppl like the old one better, but I just don't think her delivery is that great

[@davidkozak9289]

Remake did a great job but wow, watching the 2001 cutscene is mind blowing. They almost look more real back then, and by far the lighting/shadows and framing was just bone chilling

[@shibitoobscura3348]

Takayoshi Sato did a wonderful job creating these CGI cutscenes in the original. In both Silent Hill 1 and 2, he worked on them alone, doing most of these cutscenes (all of it in the case of SH1) by himself. He really was prodigee of CGI.

[@userT7898]

You should play the original

[@shibitoobscura3348]

@@userT7898 What makes you think he didn't?

[@userT7898]

@@shibitoobscura3348 he was mind blown watching the original cutscene. I’m assuming it’s his first time seeing it.

[@Carphil07]

Best James = remake. Best Maria = og.

[@troyb4533]

Luke Robert’s was pretty phenomenal as james

[@sashaturned]

I love OG but the remake is far far better. Maria is so much more menacing by being intentionally flat. She knows something and is hiding it.

[@MrSam1804]

Original is sinister, but new one is truly tormentful. You would be scared shitless from original knowing something is wrong, the new one still tortures James making him gaslit and confused about own feelings.

[@Straddllw]

The remake sounds more realistic and Maria is more bone chilling terrifying. The OG Maria is more seductive and manipulative. New Maria gives me chills … very cold.

[@troyb4533]

The actor for Maria in the remake completely missed the point of this scene.

[@doppelgangerV]

@@troyb4533 no, she didn't. There's a director that, imagine, gives direction on how to approach a scene and the nuances the performers need to deliver. This is exactly how they wanted this scene to unfold, and it's absolutely perfect.

[@EntertheFray1]

@@doppelgangerV That doesn't refute the point that the remake completely missed the point of Maria - the only distinction there is who is to blame. The old maria was born from a wish of James. The new maria comes off as far more soul-less and bland. She's performing the actions of seduction, without understanding the intent behind it. You can't seduce someone by being a robot. I love the new remake, james voice actor is superb and easily out done the original james, but maria just falls flat.

[@yvngleenk]

@@EntertheFray1remake maria isn’t trying to seduce james. she’s trying to replace Mary. She’s comes off as more calm and comforting. She’s trying to replace Mary (as she tried in the remake leave ending). OG Maria isn’t trying to be Mary which is why her “i’m not your Mary” has more of a bite to it. OG Maria wants James to want her over Mary

[@EntertheFray1]

@@yvngleenk This doesn't work. Remember, Maria isn't actually real - She's a manifestation born into existence from the subconscious wishes of James. If he didn't want her to be seductive and flirtatious towards him and have that allure, she wouldn't have came from a background of stripper/poledancing in SH. The remake Maria still does have that background for a reason. She still says pretty much the same lines as OG maria, she still acts in a flirtatious or seductive manner towards games. But the voice actress isn't leaning into the seduction in her delivery. Calm and comforting isn't what James wants. James was denied intimate contact for years due to Mary's illness. It made her grow bubbles on her skin and lose hair - so after years of this, anybody is going to be pent up sexually, and because of this, his eyes start wandering elsewhere. Why else do you think the enemies are nurses in skimpy outfits and pairs of walking thighs? James was turning his eyes elsewhere, but felt extremely guilty doing so because his wife was dying. So for his wish of how Mary was like, a wild, seductive, sexy, flirtatious Mary makes perfect sense - all of the things he missed. Calm and collected doesn't work to reflect this accurately. Nor would it make any coherent sense to make her have a background in stripping, yet be this calm and collected woman. The two aren't really associated with each other. So a calm and collected Maria does in fact miss the point of why Maria exists at all. OG Maria is trying to replace Mary as well, so that doesn't make sense what you're saying. This is just really really bad cope from remake fans. It's not so much that the voice actress isn't skilled - she is, but she's not suited for the role that Maria demands.

[@victorkaranja1420]

Yeah it really does feel like the only way to describe the remake is "doing too much" like parts of the script and delivery on his end are better in the remake but the overuse of movie direction and that ambient sound in the background tries too hard to be "spooky", like in the og scenes the camera feels like you are in there with the characters the way it's static and placed in ways that make you see them how he does even if not through his eyes. Even when she talks, the distinct lack of anything in the background is what makes it creepy, it's just you and her or whatever "she" is, with the music working as a wind up to any possible scare

[@mandawins02]

I experimented with a family member, someone who didn't know anything about the silent hill 2 story so didnt have any OG bias, and made her watch both cutscenes of maria in the cell. She said she actually thought remake maria was scarier and i noted she said "so says the spider" under her breath while she was watching lol. So i guess the cutscenes do a better job then I thought. Though she did agree after I said what I liked about the OG more that the "im not your mary" comes out a bit "spicer" in the OG lol. Fun to see the difference reactions and opinions from others. OG maria/mary will always be my fave though!

[@CoolPunko]

That last scene in the Remake is the definition of sinister.

[@AzariaSin]

[Remake] That last shot of her sitting in the chair (right when he was closing the door) is so creepy 💀💀💀

[@Yuki20339]

Джеймс такой:" Да что ты мне мозги пудришь!"

[@cuteashan]

OG Maria > New James > OG James > New Maria Why they cut the “ I can’t do anything through these bars” line ?

[@waltwhite8126]

Because it is more nuanced saying she will be waiting for him than literally saying she couldn't do anything behind bars. I prefer the new line.

[@flufwukutarazard1675]

The new one is.. Interesting. I still like more the og, but what is implied in the new scene is interesting still.

[@lethirrdpenguin631]

What's implied in the new one?

[@flufwukutarazard1675]

@@lethirrdpenguin631 In my opinion, in the og it shows how James is so close to succumb into madness, being so tempted by Maria and almost obeying her at that point. In the new one you can see James more reluctant, ad distant from Maria, she still gets the point of being seductive, and looking dangerous, but it helps you and adds layers to the character of James and how you think of him in comparison to the og. I love both

[@david_contente]

New Maria is more "dangerous", while classic Maria is more sweety and doesnt show any danger at all ​@@lethirrdpenguin631

[@awake7586]

​@@david_contentenew maría is bland and the performance doesnt fit the character, the weirdness and scary feeling you get from María looking at you through those Dark eyes is now gone

[@sagesherman19]

Voice acting aside, I never understood why James doesnt have like a billion more questions for her. Why are you behind bars, how did you get here, why is there an IV drip and bed in there, wheres the door, how do you REALLY know there was a tape....maybe this is James finally realizing this chick aint real but even if she wasnt id still be asking this fake person all these questions like dang....

[@poghand]

i always just chalked it up to how ‘dreamlike’ the town and everything is, like when you’re in a dream you don’t really question things, even if they make zero sense lol

[@BlueBlur2003]

I really love the remake version. I don't get the hate.

[@brothermanner]

@@BlueBlur2003 often autistic people dont catch onto others feelings

[@snakeeater6738]

@@brothermannerOften 5 year olds don’t understand others have different opinions

[@somerandomhunter435]

I'll explain the best I can, and I'm assuming you played the remake at least, so you know who Maria is, her role in the game's narrative, and the psychoanalytical themes behind her. In the OG, there is heavy contrast shrouding Maria's eyes and jaw line in an attempt to minimize the emotional expression on her face, making her less human. She also switches between Mary, replicating her cadence, and Maria. Mary's cadence is soft, kind, and caring, while Maria's is flirty and outright lustful. The voice actress here seamlessly goes to and from these identities, adding to the torment James has already been facing through his journey through the town via its monsters and Pyramid Head, both physical manifestations of James'shadows, and witnessing Maria constantly dying. At this point, James doesn't know what is real anymore. He's thrown back by Maria replicatinng Mary's cadence and having specific memories only Mary and him would know. He has been through the ringer, and the town continues to tempt him with what he has repressed into his shadow, both what he has done and elements of his character that are deemed unacceptable in terms of cultural normalcy. The remake sells James better as someone who can't make heads or tales of what's going on anymore; however, Maria doesn't replicate what the original had established. Her face is shrouded in shadow anymore, removing the inhuman appearance that was meant to set up the preceeding lines; her delivery of her lines that are meant to show that she has Mary's memories lacks the cadence of Mary, so it just comes off as Maria talking to james and further removes the inhuman quality to her presence; her delivery of "I'm not your Mary!" lacks that abrupt, stinging bite that original have, which further removes the inhuman quality to her presence; and to top it all off, she doesn't say the line "Well, come get me. I cant do anything behind these bars," which removes the flirtatious and lustful demeanor the original Maria had. Bloober had a consulatory team assist them with this remake as to modernize the game's characterizations, more than likely to avoid public criticism towards sexual abuse and overly sexualizing women in media, hence why she is the only character from the original to have been redesigned both visually and characterization wise. They worked around this via different approaches, such as the wedding wring on her finger acting as further torment for James when it touches his fact, but I'd argue that the constant switching between the two cadences is more effective. I hope this helps explain things.

[@pygmalioninvenus6057]

I wouldn't get it either if I had bad taste and no ability to pick up on artistic nuance.

[@kei7540]

​@@pygmalioninvenus6057 nerd

[@cal276]

I think all of us need to be calm in this comment section

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

James is like a child in the original…Sounds so bad.

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

Agreed. James is much better in this scene compared to the original. I do like OG Maria a bit more due to the way her Façade comes off in her lines and the rendered cutscene enhancing the overall creepiness. But all things considered I like the remake better. Its shot better, James body language/acting is more believable and the ending as the door shuts gives me a level of uneasiness that I felt playing the original.

[@mysterycharm03]

@@MyUniqueHandle.but he wasnt meant to be believable. James awkwardness in the OG worked because he should be in a very poor state of mind.

[@awake7586]

Yeah it seems like most People here didnt even played the original all the way thourgh and Just decide to Watch this scene on youtube James voice was superb and the actor was going though emotional trouble in his personal life at the time of récording that made everything much more belivable because of his performance he sounds insane If James wanted to sound serious he would have wanted to like he did in the letters at the begining of the game

[@hopoutattheafterparty6245]

​@@mysterycharm03The bad voice acting in the original has been stated by the directors of the original to be less for effect and more because of a lack of budget

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

@ agree. i also like the original. like it. i like more the voice acting from remake, but i understand that the original is from 2001.

[@NicoLadovic]

I really like the new one

[@nierjulian8300]

said nobody

[@tomasfrancia3263]

@@nierjulian8300 i liked too :)

[@Vinnini]

@@nierjulian8300 me too i also liked it

[@BlueBlur2003]

I liked it too. Hop off. ​@@nierjulian8300

[@pinkybeebee]

@@nierjulian8300i like it too

[@SM-ns9ru]

As charming and unique as the og is, the remake dialogue is just. Undeniably more realistic. It’s a different and totally valid approach. If you wanted it to be exactly the same, the remake is simply not for you. This is a Silent Hill 2, take 2.

[@mateoreyes6921]

The og game was based in the movie from David Lynch, that is why the aura of the game is so strange, the remakes try to hard to be serious

[@Kev_Stars]

Then you're missing the point of this scene.

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

James sounds like a child in the original. I hate it. Remake is so much better.

[@SM-ns9ru]

@@Kev_Stars how did I ‘miss the point of this scene’. I think you missed the point of my post - I said that remake uses a different approach.

[@Kev_Stars]

@@SM-ns9ru How can this be "more realistic" when the voice actress for Maria has poor voice direction?! The Original had this shocking contrast between the Mary and Maria side. Mary's semi exaggerated sweetness would lull the player/James into a sense of tranquility but then Maria's side would pop out and sharply remind you that you're not talking to Mary. The original actress was able to convey the idea that she was switching between two different characters essentially. This remake version fails to understand why this scene was so important. In the remake she is talking in the same tone throughout this entire scene without any jarring contrast. How can this be realistic if it has poor voice direction?

[@JarlBarbossa]

anyone else notice that modern voice actors are all very mumbly?

[@rickydo6572]

It's something I've noticed with US voice acting in general.

[@alanlee67]

Think it's to do with VA being mainstream and actors not getting theater experience like back in the day. They don't learn how to eNunCiaTe their consonants and shape their words. It's like how autotune has ruined music.

[@rickydo6572]

@@alanlee67 *North American/english speaking voice actors.

[@SM-ns9ru]

James mumbles here to convey how in disbelief he is. Seems pretty in line with the more realistic approach to characters taken in the remake.

[@JarlBarbossa]

@@SM-ns9ru Nah. they mumble every line in the game.

[@somerandomhunter435]

I think new comers to Silent Hill, or those who have played the originals and dont get the voice direction, dont seem to realize why the original voice overs for some of the characters in the game are both odd yet a bit hammy. Silent Hill is heavily inspired off of the work of David Lynch, who when creating work makes it so the dialouge has this eerie and unsettling, yet hamminess towards its approach, accenting the horror of individual scenes, and the overall narrative and themes. I will say the hamminess in the game's dialogue is more pronounced than his work, which is sort of an homage to older, low-budget horror films, which was exactly what Team Silent was making - low budget horror games, and the reason for this is Team Silent was a collection of throwaway workers working at Konami at the time who were essentially put together to make non-essential projects for the company. The ironic part is that they ended up makig some of the most celebrated horror games in gaming history. 😂 The town itself is inspired from Twin Peaks, the hotel in Stanley Kubrick's film The Shining, and the zone from Andrei Tarkovsky's film Stalker.

[@katnisseverdeen1444]

They ruined this scene sooo bad in the remake. Maria was terrifying the first time I saw this scene in the original. After going through the sewers full of monsters and finding her just... siting there and acting like she was waiting as she didn't get killed hours before. I really didn't feel confortable. Don't get me wrong, the remake is an absolute masterpiece. I even think the intro scene was better than the original and so many others, but this one was special (just remember that this scene was even included in the trailer), but they missed the point. Not the actors, but the direction. Shot out to Bloober for the rest, they made a good job and it will be remembered.

[@michael.tardaguila]

Best back-and-forth camera conversation ever! Congrats Bloober Team! Maria is an individual, until Pyramid-head stabbed her, and changed her definition in the story. She became another embodiment of Mary and know some detail just James and Mary know. By then, she has a purpose, I also think this is reason why Ernest Baldwin warned Maria about James is because of the Pyramid head weapon. You see, even one of the creators, Masahiro Ito, said "Pyramid head's weapon is large one-side of a scissor/shear (thought to be large blade, but not), and depict James has the other side of the scissor tip", meant that Mary was a victim of Pyramid head, although James killed and ended Mary's life for the Pyramid head. In the elevator chase scene, Pyramid head (is James, as Ernest Baldwin warned) stabbed Maria. So, Ernest warned Maria for Pyramid head, not exactly James. Now since, Maria is now a puppet for the cult, her purpose is now realized, where she is the representation of the Goblet, while James is the White Chrism, and the Philosopher's stone is their child. The cult's demonic deity goddess DOESN'T want Maria to die because the next person it will possess is James's offspring. It is important for the demonic deity goddess. James is more than the 21 sacraments, or the 21 sacrifices. His symbolic meaning (sacrament) will bring expansion to the occult power. All might be answered, maybe, if Konami and Bloober Team will explain the story in Silent Hill 5 or future game. They should continue the story of Maria, James, Laura and Ernest Baldwin, since Eddie and Angela already ended their lives here.

[@Arcadia2910]

I really don't like how James sounds in the OG, I never managed to used to it. I really think remake James sounds much better

[@Santi-vr6rm]

Remake Maria sounds like she just woke up a moment ago lol

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

Original is trash

[@legendaydin]

@@classicaldeveloper3117🤡

[@ЕвгенийХромов-б2и]

og

[@mikaross4671]

Nothing will ever come close to how much of a mindfuck this cutscene was in the og. The way Maria speaks, as if switching back and forth from Mary and Maria. We were all just as confused as James. Maria's new va does NOT deliver this. There is zero infliction in her voice. I just dont like the direction they went with Maria at all in the remake.

[@sillylittlesheepjax6009]

Boomers overreact so hard to this scene. Remake is not bad at all here. Just nostalgia talking and they cant accept that new gen will like remake way mroe than og. Everything changes with time

[@Noelle-h6f]

BoOmErS lmfao

[@ajxx9987]

Remake just doesn't have that vibe... It feels dull 😢

[@david_contente]

​New Maria is more "dangerous", while classic Maria is more sweety and doesnt show any danger at all

[@Revan-eb1wb]

dull? What? lol

[@ajxx9987]

@@Revan-eb1wb it lacks emotion feels like some generic unity game

[@Revan-eb1wb]

@@ajxx9987 you are just spreading nonsense, buddy

[@dumituri]

Lol, original James VA was so bad. I like original Maria though, she is creepy but also gentle and fits overall bad dream vibe, new one is straight to your face and offensive, maybe even overacting, more horror vibe, why would you want to come back and save her?

[@affinam5205]

am i the only one who thinks this remake Mary/Maria looks like young Hilary Clinton? dayumn...

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

Yep, the only retard

[@kammerdude4928]

Jeez, it's like night and day. It sucks that in the original, Mary/Maria VA had the best performance, and in the remake she is easily the worst

[@fornieve9471]

That remake was awful

[@jiexmark1]

I cant believe someone like orinigal more then remake. it fucking plastic in original, is it joke?

[@Anteater92006]

Looks aren't everything, its the line delivery and implication

[@The-Third-Rail]

@@Anteater92006 Has the Silent Hill fandom been such crazy fanatics for the last 20 years, or is this a consequence of a long, boring life?

[@xa3827]

Newer has only newer style graphics but everything else is so much worse. Also funny you shi on the original graphics when the characters themselves look so much better.

[@joaopauloaraujo1813]

Looks are never that important in silent hill games dumb@ss

[@infernoROBO]

Typical soyboy zoomer response who only cares about graphics 😂

[@kiko9007]

The acting in remake is way more subtle and better . The first game is jarring the way they speak. They don't have any natural cadence at all. it's flat but overdramatic and robotic at the sametime in the old one. New one is definitely better so happy. I think it will help sell the game to audiences that may not take the old game seriously.

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

Well said

[@rockduded8925]

The acting being off in the original was what gave the game its weird dreamlike quality, its like saying that Twin Peaks sucks because everybody is a weirdo who don't seem like they'd exist in the real world.

[@kiko9007]

@@rockduded8925 I'm just saying to a wider audience it is probably not gonna be seen as an artistic choice like you propose.

[@rockduded8925]

@@kiko9007 The original sold over a million copies, so obviously they were doing something right.

[@kiko9007]

@rockduded8925 not everything is an artistic choice. and not every video game has great voice acting. I love this game I'm happy it's improved cause it's made the story better in my eyes. and silent hill 2 remake has surpassed a million copies sold in under a week. took the original a month too sell that much. Just letting you know. so maybe they did do someone right by changing that bad acting, hahaha. I'm also replaying the original rn! so I do have an appreciation for it.

[@brothermanner]

SH2 DEmake

[@akai2345]

Woke Hill 2 - Even removed the "Cant do anything through these bars" which again, Maria is supposed to be sexually suggestive as it's one of the main psychological issues James deals with - sexual frustration.

[@snakeeater6738]

Yet she still says “don’t you wanna touch me” and “I’ll be waiting”. Unless you’re five (which you very well may be) this implies everything you need to know about what she means.

[@ariadne538]

@@snakeeater6738 The og commentator throwing “woke“ around as a buzzword is all you need to know about them

[@classicaldeveloper3117]

And you are retard hill if you think that the remake is woke. Following opinions of others like a monkey. I am very anti woke and i don't see anything woke in this game.

[@thedog7494]

@@ariadne538 what do you want him to call it?

[@ariadne538]

@@thedog7494 Silent Hill 2 Remake? The actual name of the game? "Woke Hill 2" just refers to the fact the op can't have a wank to remake Maria. The sexual frustration of James is still very much in the game but in a more subtle way, which is of course a change, but not a change that would make the game "woke"

[@24Steevy]

don't get the hate, the new Maria is much better