Z Gogeta VS Z Broly | Who Was Really Stronger?

In this video, I discuss the power comparison between Broly and Gogeta in the Dragon Ball Z movies. This has been a debated topic for many years, and gained more attention with the release of the Dragon Ball Super movie a few years ago. However, I also explore the hypothetical scenario of Broly and Gogeta being original characters from the Dragon Ball Z series.
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[@ToasterXD]

Not sure what happened to the audio at around a minute. Apologies for that.

[@CertainlyCynical]

for some reason it kinda fits lol

[@calboyalexander8181]

Didn't watched it yet but Hope this video is your redemption after the bs video you did on Goku vs Kratos🤦. That wasn't it gang🤦 You can't put a greek god fighting wolves against a freaking multiverse buster like wtf. The whole event of god of war is happening in a country called greece. He's not destroying universes like what in the wank is this?😂

[@calboyalexander8181]

Also i want to correct a error alot scalers do which is to consider time traveling as immeasurable speed. Well that's not the case time travel is light speed🤔(just search about how it work than wank any bs characters immeasurable speed) Example Flash is light speed or slightly ftl not immeasurable speed. There is characters like Kami and Kaguya from Naruto who can create entire space-time so obviously just time traveling is less impressive than creating time so it's not immeasurable.

[@ToasterXD]

@@calboyalexander8181Kratos slams Goku. If you don’t agree you can unsub and leave my boy.

[@calboyalexander8181]

@@ToasterXDI wasnt sub im just telling that there is error in your scaling and that you can’t put a greek god who is traveling ocean in boat to Goku level and still call your self scaler. That has bad as the goofies thinking that Batman is truly multiversal just because they can build up absurd statements to prove it🤦

[@SoraTempez]

Bigger question. What would Broly call Gogeta. Kakarot? Vegeta? Kakareta? Vegarot?

[@ToasterXD]

Broly is a goof. He’d just say Kakarot

[@alibeknorbekov5963]

​@@ToasterXDbruh kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vZfpZ3rbpooq8

[@iron_potato40k]

broly would call him ugly vegeta

[@cm4n63]

Vegerot is funnily enough vegito's name in some manga translations

[@kami1315]

Maybe he would just say kakarot and vegeta at the same time

[@degeneracy0160]

movie scaling is really just deciding which inconsistent statements make the most sense lmao

[@ToasterXD]

It really is 💀

[@addictedtochocolate920]

Narrative is most important. Whether you can sell it or not is the question, but fiction can break its rules if they aren't well established, and powerlevels are anything but; usually they're just there to add shock, and hold no actual narrative substance.

[@RetroMagnus761]

The statements themselves shouldn't be the default way of scaling the movies because most of them are as you said inconsistent and are really only made to hype up the movies themselves

[@daith_izumi]

I think it was always hinted at. In the video games, if you had Z Broly up against Gogeta or Super Saiyan 3 or 4 Goku, he would always have this terrified reaction

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Yeah I mean Broly gets defeated by a slightly amped Cell saga SSJ Goku... and Gogeta is the fusion of two Super saiyans that are each individually stronger than the Goku that beat Broly.... Base Gogeta alone would murder Broly 💀💀💀

[@dexetex5846]

@@reptilian_geneticistwell to be fair goku was boosted by five other cell saga characters

[@dexetex5846]

@@reptilian_geneticistand he fought buu saga gohan in regular super saiyan

[@dexetex5846]

@@reptilian_geneticistand he got hit in a weak spot

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@dexetex5846 No, to be fair and accurate, Goku was slightly amped by 4 near death characters that could hardly even move or stand up.... Broly doesn't have a "weak spot" that's just fan fiction nonsense... and im only talking about Broly from the first movie, second coming Broly is slightly stronger but he's still nothing impressive compared to even Base Gogeta

[@Tylearned]

GO GO BROLY GO GO 🗣️

[@ToasterXD]

GOOOOOGETAAAAAAAAA

[@Sycokakarot]

That’s what I’m talking about 🧌

[@justaserperiorfan.9242]

ITS FUTILE🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@DaydayDaGeneral]

@@ToasterXDgogeta gogeta gogeta

[@Wukongggg]

Another thing to keep in mind the concept of "The North, South, East, West Galaxies" isn't just a single galaxy like you said. *The universe of Dragon Ball is divided into 4 sections, those 4 sections are the entire living universe*

[@mhassankhalid3774]

And that is literally Debunked in buy Saga and DBS where the universe was shown to have countless galaxies.

[@PurgatoryBan101]

@@mhassankhalid3774 i think those are just the "main" galaxies though

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@cailan5760 shaking something isn't actually a feat, it literally translates to nothing... and its actually just done for dramatic effect... every power up in a movie is super dramatic, every new transformation is super dramatic... its all just done for dramatic effect and nothing more...

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Another thing to keep in mind is that Broly never actually destroyed a galaxy, all he did was go from planet to planet wiping out civilizations and destroying one planet after another.... Raditz or Nappa could literally do the same exact thing lol... so it's not an impressive feat in any way whatsoever...

[@Wukongggg]

@@reptilian_geneticist he was stated by almost every character in that movie to be able to destroy the universe in his lifetime *even by the FUCKING NARRATOR* can yall compare his feats instead of trying to discredit your least favorite? I mean attack potency believe it or not goes to GOGETA *Broly is the one with better speed feats*

[@Genra]

You could have brought up that the only reason Broly was brought back for two more movies was because he *lost* in every single appearance. The first movie proves that with enough energy condensed into one attack, you can effectively one shot Broly. The second movie shows that Broly is still affected by an attack's knockback, and a combination of that and the _sun_ is enough to break through his defense. The third movie actually adds an extra weakness, he can now be defeated by plain seawater. I think Gogeta definitely scales above "Extra Energy Goku" and the Family Kamehameha, simply given Goku's increase in strength over the course of the movies. In the ending of Bio-Broly, it's even implied Goku subdues the afterlife version of Bio-Broly, though that could've been with Pikkon's help. So I think you could've used this information to give your video a more definitive conclusion lol

[@ProGamerManski]

The movies are considered different timelines and have their own power scaling as stated by Toriyama and the movie directors

[@ProGamerManski]

@robertothesupermutant830 some of them are connected but you are right it is 100% possible extra energy goku is just stronger than gogeta

[@FantomPhoenix]

​​​@robertothesupermutant830t really, Broly himself scales to Galaxy level, and even though Goku one shot him, he's only a bit above that at best. Pretty sure Goku in fusion reborn shook the entire afterlife which is basically its own universe. Ssj3 Goku alone in fusion reborn is stomping both Broly and Extra energy Goku. Fusion Reborn Super Saiyan 3 Goku is easily Ssj God level. So Z Gogeta would scale WAY above Broly.

[@ProGamerManski]

@@FantomPhoenix actually fusion reborn ssj3 goku is weaker than anime ssj3 goku

[@megasenpaiiid8768]

i thinkthe only movies that are connected are the 3 broly z movies trules , slug and coolers movies + hatchijack movie bojack and fusion reborn

[@TayyabKhan-hh6kx]

Its a no brainer that Gogeta bodies Z Broly. Considering the fact he did the same to Janemba, whose mere existance distorted heaven and hell (each of them the size of the living universe), who also bodied SS3 Goku (eho shook heaven and hell jsut by transforming).

[@Thunder_Bird0]

Yes, but Broly can increase his energy infinitely during battle. Gogeta would have to finish it quicker then Janemba.

[@alexshawman]

​@@Thunder_Bird0no he can play around with broly

[@nayan.punekar]

​@@Thunder_Bird0Broly cannot

[@Baki659]

@@Thunder_Bird0 broly would destroy himself if he kept powering up

[@Thunder_Bird0]

@@Baki659 Yes thats true if he kept it inside of him but we see him release it in destructive waves in the first movie.

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

Cooler didn't move faster than Instant transmision. he was using also instant transmission as Goku stated in the movie(The One that is showed in the film of Cooler that only take you to a different dimension that Shortcuts It). Even Supersaiyan 3 contained Goku from manga could reach Kaioshin realm as in the anime, which is indeed a greater Feat than the other. He just surpassed Goku speed inside the Instant transmission dimension from the film. Destruction of a Universe(Universal level)>make It crumble(Which one is not consider a Universal Buster feat.

[@mhassankhalid3774]

To crumble/ shake a infinite sized realm, you need to have universal power. Sure maybe no universe AP but still universal DC

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

@@mhassankhalid3774 Noup, nor DC nor AP at High Uni or even near

[@Jxpin666]

The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

[@antoinepolnareff8970]

@@Jxpin666 You can't, as both Goku and Cooler had and used that same ability. Cooler Outran Goku while both were using the Instant transmission tecnique. +Vegeta was as fast as Goku and even him couldn't see at all how Cooler and Goku were moving even if both weren't that much apart from Cooler Speed

[@Jxpin666]

@@antoinepolnareff8970 well I’m just stating that for the people who do want to use that argument since him also using IT was only in the English dub.

[@Kangelaf]

the only reason metal cooler was catching goku out of his instant transmission is because he himself was also using instant transmission

[@sptflcrw8583]

Never stated anywhere, lol

[@Black_Knight_-BK-]

@@sptflcrw8583 We literally saw it

[@tumprman9982]

@@sptflcrw8583he said it was his favorite technique and used it

[@Keegstar]

​@@sptflcrw8583watch the movie, lol

[@Brolysmanboobs]

@@KeegstarEnglish only, in the Japanese version he’s just that fast

[@KingBongHogger]

It's a no-brainer. Gogeta would have a massive power advantage right off the bat and he knows the fusion won't last long. He'd go right for the soul punisher and Z Broly is basically evil with muscles, so bye bye.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

Goku or vegeta at that point would smoke broly alone. They were alot stronger in the fusion reborn movie then they were in the first broly movie.

[@chiron9536]

Broly was stated by the movie creators to be the strongest in the Z-movies...end of story

[@ef-jkota3611]

Dude he literally said in the video that the creators of the movies said themselves that in each movie the opponents stronger then the last janemba came out when again?? End of story

[@alexshawman]

​@@chiron9536it's a biased statement

[@Black_Knight_-BK-]

@@alexshawman Me personally, I dont see Broly getting past Cell Saga SS2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell.

[@FlameingSlayer]

Ur too underated ur powerscailing is super accurate and ur a top G

[@rustyrattle5776]

Didn't Koyama recognize he was biased towards Broly? The guy also contradicted himself by saying Buu (who knows which form) had a similar power level to his character, even though he also said Broly would solo everyone. Besides he suggested foes get stronger as the movies go on, and Toei blatantly stated Janemba was the most powerful villain in them. Then Gogeta wiped out Janemba in a few seconds lol

[@ProGamerManski]

Toei statement was instantly retracted because koyama has basically the biggest sway in the DBZ movies, even if he is biased hes backed up by toriyama

[@nayan.punekar]

​@@ProGamerManskiGogeta fodderizes broly in base form. It's a fact

[@Phantomthefootballplayer]

I love how accurate your scaling is it always helps me in anime battles

[@Thebestemerald4]

Bruh he is literally just using statements that are ment to hype up the movie and using it as reality. I mean this just sounds stupid how could you be faster than immeasurable speed or infinite speed. It sounds so stupid meta cooler is fodder, bro as stronger maybe stronger than cell and gogeta stomps but weaker than buu saga vegito.

[@Jxpin666]

@@Thebestemerald4The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

[@ashuraomega7113]

This guy is not at all reliable when it comes to power scaling

[@WarFox7012]

@@ashuraomega7113e’s proved that he’s pretty good so far.

[@WarFox7012]

@@Thebestemerald4you basically stated you don’t know how scaling works.

[@Koda987]

Bro, 2018 was just a banger year. I wanna go back so bad dude.

[@edgartheslayer3]

3:45 i think u might gotten confused there. Cooler mentioned the technique implying he knew about it and could use it. It wasn't his natural speed gaining up on Goku mid insta transmission. It was them both using it

[@IamtotallyDie]

Really want to see a LSSJ3 Broly vs SSJ1 Gogeta, like in Raging Blast since we only saw them have a fist clash in the opening of the game

[@personahearts358]

I would LOVE to see SSJ3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan because this debate is probably bigger than Buuhan vs Kid Buu from the Z days

[@SonZackSSJ2]

Agreed, honestly i think SSJ3 Goku >> Ultimate Gohan because Gohan couldn’t land a Hit on Buutenks and not only did SSJ3 Goku land a hit or 2 but knocked him away aswell.

[@genxvictor1805]

​@@SonZackSSJ2buu was messing, and goku's fighting smarts help him kinda

[@TheRealNightShot]

⁠@@SonZackSSJ2Goku was running and buying time. Gohan was fighting and made Buutenks actually try.

[@Vegito_Fanpage]

Not a debate at all. SSj3 Gotenks was far more powerful than SSj3 Goku, and while he probably could have won if he had tried properly, Buu was nowhere near the state Gohan left him. Gohan showed up, called him a retard and bet the everliving fuck out of him all while literally just walking and punching without any additional momentum. Buu then went "Fuck this, this guy is literally going to tear me into microscopic pieces over and over again for fun, I need to absorb more powerful people to fight him." and even then he had to absorb Gotenks out of fear Goten and Trunks separately wouldn't be enough.

[@mhassankhalid3774]

​@@SonZackSSJ2and Goku literally said Gohan surpassed him after getting ultimate and then Goku said again that he is weaker than super buu and the same buu got violated against Gohan. Goku also said that ssj3 gotenks was at his level if not Stronger and the same gotenks lost to super buu

[@spicyboi544]

I thought it was established the movie verse take place in the same reality, I didn’t know that people thought they were completely separate: I find that hard to believe considering how there is a lot of statements that speak about the characters getting stronger linearly through the z movies and the fusion reborn showing the villains

[@Rest_sama]

Don't forget the movie verse is basically GT

[@beanking3426]

They're about as closely related as Heroes is to Super. Yes, certain events are shared but there are huge differences with some that can't possibly fit into the canon timeline (ex: Lord Slug, Broly, Fusion Reborn).

[@Rest_sama]

@beanking3426 GT is an alternative universe where all of the events from the movies take place due to alterations in the timeline which can easily be marked based off some form of distortion.

[@Rest_sama]

@@beanking3426 and heros and super are not remotely connected via story or timeline the characters there are alternate versions

[@YhwachHisMajesty]

The galaxy feat has been highballed to high heaven and is inconsistent with every other feat Broly shows in the movie, Broly in the original movie was about the same level as Super Perfect Cell if not only a little stronger. The galaxy we see is slowly being destroyed over time, not all at once, Broly attacked several planets one by one

[@Blaedin1337]

I would like to mention with the metal cooler part. Metal cooler also has the ability to use instant transmission, there is a bit of dialog where he mentions its one of his favorite abilities which is why Cooler was able to keep at pace or even surpass Goku's version of it.

[@GamingDrummer89]

A couple things worth noting are: a lot of these statements are opinion based, although they hold a lot more weight when coming from the creators of the characters and movies. Also, the Gogeta in Fusion Reborn is at either SSJ or SSJ2...thus, that would implicitly be included in the list of characters that Koiyama thinks Broly is stronger than in that statement. However, given that one of the two fusees Gogeta is made up of (Goku) has access to SSJ3, that means that version of Gogeta has access to that form as well as Kaioken, so if Gogeta couldn't defeat Broly in the form he used in the movie, I think the combination of SSJ3 and a high Kaioken multiplier would be more than enough (as long as Gogeta didn't toy with Broly and finished the job quickly before the fusion expired).

[@Nmoment-uv6jc]

Gogeta is naturally stronger than broly, in broly's last appereance he was weaker than base vegetto, so gogeta has a lot of time before broly catches up

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@Nmoment-uv6jc How did you gauge that Broly's last appearance had him being weaker than base Vegito?

[@Nmoment-uv6jc]

@@GamingDrummer89 the combined kamehameha used to defeat broly was weaker than a casual blast from base vegetto.

[@GamingDrummer89]

@@Nmoment-uv6jc Maybe, but the power scaling in the movies seems to be different so it's tough to compare movie timeline characters with main timeline ones.

[@Rappy104]

I’d like a video of goku and vegeta using the potara in the ToP, I’d watch that for sure

[@chrismaher3913]

When I was in like 5th grade or something, I actually was talking about that thumbnail, being a legit movie Broly vs gogeta in hell. It was kinda funny that they made that fight officially canon haha

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Hypothetical TOP SSB Vegetto vs Jiren please. Or hypothetical Buu saga Gogeta vs Buuhan. I wonder how strong Canon Broly was during that point before Super?

[@treadmill7962]

After seeing some Bio Broly ending clip, I’m now questioning if Broly was the original main Villian in the Db Fusion Reborn. Damn Broly vs Gogeta in Hell

[@jeffdcgamer1077]

is possible A strong hint is from the Budokai 3 intro is the closest thing we get Z broly vs Z Gogeta

[@Ant-man4312]

honestly would like to see the hypothetical top vegito vs jiren

[@blitzspeedgaming585]

Current vegito would tear him a new asshole.

[@Jxpin666]

I believe the top one would too. After all his full power was cut short

[@ashuraomega7113]

Vegito slams

[@dontawilliams8433]

@@Jxpin666real

[@Tornader_Crusader]

I think that Broly would win only because of the writer’s statement. If that didn’t exist, then the fight would have ended just like Super Broly

[@alexshawman]

The statement is not reality it's dumb gogeta slams not to mention the person who made the statement is biased bro being the strongest in z wouldn't make sense bc his feats don't prove it gogeta ssj > ssj3 Goku > ssj2 Vegeta > broly lssj

[@Superaaravzlol]

Hey toaster could u do goku vs rimuru or goku vs anos?

[@Punktimes]

Nice!

[@TheOneAndOnlyZN]

I'd do ssj4 vs ssg or ssb, I've seen some insane calculation on ssj4 that made me really reconsider how strong it is, unless you've already done it of course

[@societygoku6376]

I dont think ssj4 is a calculabe transformation tho, it is more like a saiyan's peak power, unleashing all of their inner saiyan power at the same time. If used by DBS goku, he'd be somewhere inbetween ssjbkkx and ui omen , as ui is not a "saiyan" ability so I'd say it dont count

[@TheOneAndOnlyZN]

@@societygoku6376 well it's definitely calculable considering it's just a continuation of z. Sure it isn't cannon but there's definitely something to calculate there

[@StareachValcin]

It's pretty clear that Gogeta in the fusion reborn movie is far more powerful than Broly in the 8th dragonball Z movie. Goku at super saiyan 3 could beat Broly during the 8th dbz movie. Also, the Cooler feat is due to Cooler also being able to use instant transmission.

[@mathewgagnier9432]

Yeah, I never really got this debate. Gogeta completely obliterates Broly. Broly in the first movie was taking on regular Super Saiyans and then got taken out by Super Saiyan Goku having been empowered by everyone's energy. Second movie? Not much different besides fighting Gohan who had no experience in keeping up with his training, thus Broly obviously had the edge. The Family Kamehameha was still just a bunch of Super Saiyans with maybe Gohan being SSJ2? Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Janemba in his perfect form made a joke of SSJ3 and that is far beyond Broly already, much less Gogeta shitstomping Janemba who is leagues beyond anything Broly had in Z for feats.

[@StareachValcin]

​@@mathewgagnier9432 agreed. For the record, Gohan was super saiyan 2 when he fought Broly in Broly second coming.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@StareachValcin even then he is far weaker than buu saga goku. Goku as just a SS2 was stated to be already stronger than SS2 Gohan against cell. Gogeta should not even be debate. Even if they fused in that first movie. Any combonation of vegeta, trunks or goku would have shredded broly in base.

[@ProGamerManski]

no the movie timelines are completely different from anime timelines and so is the power scaling, for example when toei made movie 10 they thought gohan had trained the full 7 years and wanked his power to insane heights way higher then the buu threat at the time

[@mathewgagnier9432]

@@ProGamerManski That's a nice excuse to try and close the gaps between Broly and Gogeta. Gogeta decimates Broly period. Even if what you said is true, the Z Broly wank needs to stop.

[@thechadyboi6691]

The wholle video is amazing dont get me wrong But i cant seem to shake the instant transmission thing in the movies Because we clearly see him moving from spot to spot in instant transmission in the movie's but if it was instantaneous it wouldnt work like that My opinion that instant transmission in the movies acts alot differently then the one in the main timeline

[@dingesthe3rd-bm7pl]

Bro makes the Beat scales

[@Tain237]

Jiren Vs Hypothetical (TOP)Vegito sound super fun

[@limbo9993]

If Gogeta pulls up with Soul Punisher, is that wraps for Broly's evil ass?

[@animoments8969]

Is he evil though ? Id say hes more like a mindless berserker than evil

[@Lord_Simpwalker]

@@animoments8969Nah he sadistically crushed his father inside of his Saiyan pod, that’s pretty evil.

[@High_tier_deity_]

@@animoments8969z brolys isnt a mindless berserk hes fully aware of what he does he’s intelligent and cunning hes pure fucking evil when he is in his ssj and lssj forms

[@handzofstone1152]

​@@High_tier_deity_Yeah but Soul Punisher also doesn't actually instant kill evil characters like so many have been led to believe. That's just a misconception that's been passed around for years.

[@ashuraomega7113]

​@@handzofstone1152The super version is just a regular ki blast. The z version literally erases evil

[@Evolved_gorilla]

2:56gohan getting some crazy backshots

[@Agent-57]

About the infinite speed feat. Coolder did not perform the feat with his speed. He also used Instant transmission himself.

[@lordraiden7397]

Thats exactly what throws me off about 99.9% of these videos. Its like they didnt actually WATCH the movies they're debating for.

[@zayway5649]

even if so for him to be able to react and move in that dimension during the technique which is supposed to have no time still makes their point

[@stillnousername9796]

^^

[@lordraiden7397]

@@zayway5649 He only moved on that dimension due to the technique though. Only I.T counters I.T

[@Jxpin666]

@@zayway5649 The flash once raced against an alien that could instantly teleport. They were racing to earth, and Barry got back before the alien’s body formed back together. So that’s a clear example of how someone can be faster than instant teleportation. In this case with goku and metal cooler we could use that same argument.

[@maxneljones]

This video got me thinking What if Vegito replaced Gogeta's role in DBS Broly?

[@projectmayhem840]

dbs vegito blue vs base gogeta dbz.

[@mvp746]

Seth hit this topic a few years back and actually managed to debate multiple people on Broly vs Gogeta for hours but i think you did a better job than he did back then on this,i would just sum this battle up as, Facts and logic : Gogeta wins. Head-canon and Author : Broly wins. but you also have to make a lot of fallacies and bypass many death of the author cases to make an argument for Broly winning,for me personally Gogeta stomps badly and i’ve had this view on it since i was a Kid seeing them fight on the budokai tenkaichi 3 intro.

[@wavyoccean1120]

I said this on a vid of Chucks, But we need a power scaling of the goku who KILLED Broly in the first movie.

[@YhwachHisMajesty]

2:55 he said he’s “supposed” to have powered up considerably, it doesn’t mean he did, this Gohan still scales to the canon

[@Evolved_gorilla]

Gohan getting his cheeks clapped by broly

[@freddypedraza2066]

I'd say the fight goes similar to the fight from super, only this time he dies by the super kamehameha

[@blueyoshi5133]

I’d like the ss3 vs ultimate video but I wouldn’t mind the vegito one euther

[@kakarotlovesgames6962]

Anyone notice the bo2 menu music? Nice lol 😂

[@DnalorGames]

ssj3 goku vs ultimate gohan pls ty

[@egg7a]

fun fact: the broly gogo song is actully a song from dbz

[@baron8187]

The angel born in hell vs a monster created from fear and rage

[@jkunimage4187]

I do have to ask. Would you consider the 2018 broly movie to be apart of the movie timeline or would you just say it’s canon so it shouldn’t count? Im asking because I see both sides give arguments for either one being true

[@MyTran-gn4rk]

I think they made dbs broly canon along with the gohan movie showing him. Both of these movies are also covered in the manga (which might translate to a hypothetical season 2 DBS covering those 2 arcs lol).

[@fulsted7167]

SSJ3 Goku VS Ultimate Gohan for sure, this is a very controversial topic.

[@warmcoffee69]

Think the amp for fusion in fusion reborn is just too much for Broly. I am totally on board for Gohan in the second Broly movie being super strong since he trained but I doubt he comes close to a later movie's fusion of Goku and Vegeta. It would probably go similar to the dbs movie except the fight would become one sided once gogeta went SSJ instead of SSJ blue. To be completely honest, SSJ3 and possibly even 2 Goku could be stronger than Broly on his own. Really depends if you high or low ball the movie power levels compared to the canon power levels.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

SS2 goku or vegeta would be more than enough they overrate the hell out of broly power it make no since.

[@Tajemnicza_osoba]

Goku blue from DBs manga (include kaioken×20 if you want) Vs gogeta/Goku ssj4 from GT would LOVE to see personally :D

[@zacrackedgamergg1261]

God goku has better feats than ssj4 goku even without adding blue to this mix

[@majinsaiyan4369]

The contradictory is the each villain is stronger than the last so that would mean janemba is stronger than broly if this is the case, if we take it a step further since a Goku with 3 ssj's and a super namekian was able to one shot broly an that Goku is

[@cyrizzy1629]

You forgot to mention at 5:19 that Grand Kai is dingy and Goku is a hurricane

[@Chaosconcept-sq1op]

Broly will be the strongest considering the fact how legendary super Saiyan works which is by the power level continuously grow even mid-battle

[@Thunder_Bird0]

Yes 100% but if Gogeta unleashes his final move he used to kill janemba he’d kill Broly. The only way i’d see Broly winning would be if he used SS3 because theoretically SS3 wouldn’t drain Broly’s energy he’d probably make SS3 work better with his infinite energy hack

[@Chaosconcept-sq1op]

@@Thunder_Bird0 nah broly energy isn't exactly infinite there's actually a scene where he said"my power is building, it's overflowing"!

[@secondone3249]

7:45-8:20 And now you know why WoGs and creator statements aren't completely reliable. Especially since they at times also contradict or are contradicted by what is actually presented. For instance, the Author of Ben 10 for instance says that the universe in Ben 10 is infinite, yet we have an episode where the full extent of it's size is shown, and with it next to a neighboring universe. He also has a deleted post of him saying that Alien X can survive timeline destruction, which is in contradiction to what was said in an interview by the writers where celestialsapiens can indeed be killed by this unless they form groups and agree to combat it (which is made consistent in the show) OT: Even base Gogeta would one-shot this tbh. You could give broly a hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 and he would still get one-shotted.

[@matthewadams1674]

I think SSJ3 Goku vs. Ultimate Gohan would be a more interesting video.

[@dakshmanchanda1266]

Ssb vegito vs jiren would be cool

[@charismudoh8709]

Toaster, there's also the fact that in video games, Broly is always the one given this weird particular ability or stamina or health. Like in most games, whether DBZ or crossover games( like mugen) Broly had this Berserk ability or super armor most notably in DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3. In that same game, when you select destruction points battle mode, Broly's number is 9 same as Gogeta SSJ2 who also has 9. Maybe even the game developers and Akira were tryna tell us something through all this😊

[@daboibradog]

he has unlimited stamina and energy but his health and defense is too limited to hold all that energy thats why when they attacked his weak spot in the og move he exploded into a ball of energy. But Broly's power is determined by both his anger an the power of the opponent he is fighting. His power gain is way higher than any other sayian so when he goes down if you let him up to quickly he comes back way stronger

[@sul3377]

Lol the same game that has Gotenks 9 and Ultimate Gohan, Super buu, Gotenks buu, and Gohan Buu?

[@elliotsturtplus340]

This means that there’s a 3 time lines you got GT timeline the Super timeline and the Movie timeline

[@Legendz293]

Awesome

[@SolidShepard]

It's really tough to scale z broly because everyone he fought, he completely dominated. We don't really have any reference.

[@Vinsmokesosa]

8:35 bro gave us options like we don't want both😭

[@DrywallDevourer143]

Was that Black ops 2 music? respect

[@Aannto]

I honestly cant tell if in taking gohans statemnt out of context or if everyone else is. He doesnt actually say he still trained and the narrative after cell saga was that he stopped training all together due to peaceful times - he just assumes he should be stronger because the last he check when he was a kid he could turn ssj2 and steam rolled super perfect cell. Now u know uts such a huge debate whether or not he did turn ssj1 or 2 but just like his fight with dabura or showing it off to kabito he was still considered to be weaker

[@FraudFactory]

You know they tripping when they say Bio broly is an enhanced version Besides that true :3

[@brownstainfinger6171]

Can you do a video on your scaling of GT Goku? You said he was stronger than Super Goku in your ranking video. Never have seen a scale of him that isn’t based on head canon (particularly when he transcends into heaven in daylight). Plus Chuck made a video on GT Goku vs Golden Freeza and he scaled him to universal +. Love your videos, would also love to see a video about how far CC Goku can go in Marvel!

[@ToasterXD]

By stronger, I just meant in terms of speed but spoke off the top of my head. If you’re going by the GT=Movie meta then he’d probably just be faster

[@brownstainfinger6171]

@@ToasterXDFair, thank you for clarifying. Seeing who in marvel CC Goku could beat and who he would lose to would be an even more interesting video though… Js.😂

[@andersonbrowne4781]

@@ToasterXD I would really like to see the vegito vs jiren fight the most, btw I really like your channel dude, keep up the awesome work.

[@ojpickle5923]

​@@ToasterXDthe movie meta is weird because that would assume the movie is connected to the anime when that's not possible. Dende was the guardian in the movie, yet Goku and Vegeta are above piccolo even though Gohan isn't an ssj which would mean Goku hasn't gone in the time chamber yet

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

finally i can comment now, hours later GT Goku is nowhere near universal. He is one-tapped by Super Goku (anime) in base alone. For how he would fare against Super Goku (manga), go watch hyourinjutsu’s video, though it’s a bit outdated because Super Goku (manga) didn’t have control over ultra instinct back then

[@FrostyTheNightmare]

My question is, how would stardust breaker/soul punisher effect Z Broly? Would it just purify him of all his anger, evil and rage (Like how it effected Super Broly) or would it turn Him into nothing like Janemba

[@yosha313]

I think the fight would go like in dragon ball multiverse where vegito fought broly and had to pass to ssj3 and unleash all of his ki because broly power's was growing infinitely We also have dbz budokai 3 opening which states that broly is stronger than gogeta I really think that broly z have same power than broly dbs

[@diabolicamires]

Z Broly is a cheat character. He is as strong as any character on screen appearing. Irrelevant if trainingneeds.

[@lidersk501]

top vegtio vs top jiren btw great video

[@aliyusubov1775]

But didnt Metal Cooler directly said instant transmission is one of moves he knew, which was whole reason he could catch Goku, as both was using it.

[@doolallyproductions7234]

It was already settled in the budokai 3 intro and kinda the tenkaichi 3 intro Gogeta stomps Broly still my favorite character tho

[@crippledslayer9881]

Ok hang on, let me fix the whole metal cooler thing you brought up It was only in the dub that he used instant transmission. In the original, they were just moving really fast like all dragon ball characters usually do, no instant transmission

[@aquariussarron5444]

By the logic, Vegeta was worthless in that fight.... he couldn't keep up with none of them...

[@crippledslayer9881]

@@aquariussarron5444 which is why he got kicked in the dick

[@Foreign885]

W video. Personally, I think gogeta wins. But it could go either way.

[@gabrielmachado1247]

Honestly,Another Factor would have to be Ssj2 or 3 or if is it just would be Gogeta using Ssj1

[@divinepekora5896]

I always say gogeta forget them statments lol w mans I remember Serge use to argue for broly and downplayed gogeta

[@deltalord6969]

What about a timeline scale to how powerful the first time goku went ssg would be in gt?

[@d0tbat]

Well it's a beyond fusion level Amp. Goku says he needs something higher than vegito to beat Beerus on king Kai's planet

[@mhassankhalid3774]

Basically imagine an amp which is way stronger than ssj4. As, Ssj4 = Vegito fusion amp And, Ssj god > Vegito Fusion amp

[@d0tbat]

@@mhassankhalid3774 well put!

[@sammerdeepbrar9084]

so i highly agree with u

[@OverlyEpux]

Vegito vs Jiren pls

[@hardcoore_gyt9254]

I put this video off for a long time because I thought the premise was ridiculous Gogeta kinda negs.

[@kagangrawr]

Goku vs gohan please

[@IRLsukuna]

I feel like broly will win against anyone in dbz if they let the fight drag on long enough. If they destroy broly quickly gogeta can win but if that fight drags on cz they like playing around they'll lose.

[@Lust.1]

The thing about gogeta he doesn't play around 💀

[@bullet5760]

In terms of the original 13 z movies Super janemba Hirudegan Broly I'm not sure if it was diazenshuu or the supplementary diazenshuu but these specific 3 villians were put in this order and it makes sense. Broly does have a constant growing pl but without hypothesizing who is to say it would nature grow to that of super janemba without intensive training. Me personally I never felt hirudegan was all that powerful compared to the z fighters but rather tricky to deal with.

[@ProGamerManski]

that statement was made by toei however they immediately retracted the statement when Koyama the dbz movies director directly contradicted them by stating broly was in fact the strongest in not only the movies but even in the entirety of the anime

[@weshal5732]

​@@ProGamerManskikoyama isn't very reliable tho as he contradicts toriyama alot

[@ProGamerManski]

@weshal5732 koyama is the toriyama of the z movies his statements hold more power than toriyama as stated by toriyama himself

[@ampogi019]

@@ProGamerManski Koyama > Toriyama with power scaling 🤓☝️

[@ProGamerManski]

@@ampogi019 whar?

[@Ultimatefleshmonster]

Instant transmission teleports you to a different dimension and cooler had acsees to it

[@dakotalupinski1414]

they really needed to do a 3rd Broly movie where Broly hit ssj3 and not the Bio Broly shit show we got.

[@origin7430]

@ToasterXD You forgot the most important detail, plot armor.....

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

What if super goku and gt goku swap fights? Who is coming out with the most Ws

[@handzofstone1152]

Well Super Goku solos GT and GT Goku loses to most of Super, so the answer is obvious.

[@memelord2135]

Id definitely want that ss3 Goku vs ultimate Gohan

[@biology9810]

Ssj3 Goku slams

[@Kenshinbtt]

Gohan stomped super buu ssj3 goku doesn't have a chance especially since being alive he can't stay in that form for long now maybe if he was dead

[@biology9810]

@@Kenshinbtt narratively it's Gohan but in power scaling Goku wins

[@jaspergg4561]

Without counting Koyama's statements, I put Broly a bit more powerfull than Super Perfect Cell

[@Black_Knight_-BK-]

The only right answer

[@jenellesavage6070]

Hmm...this battle in my mind is bugging me 😮ssj2 trunks in cell saga vs Lssj Z broly😅bulky sayian vs bulky sayian

[@SilverbackJellybottom]

I like broly more so that means he beats up gogeta and is stronger but then gets killed in the end somehow

[@ailediablo79]

It is not even close, because they would go up to super 2 or 3 max. But in new move they can ho blue which what made them win. Old Broly in my opinion is very close to red super form when Goku first transformed to it in battle of Gods. So no chance. He will smash even SS4 with ease.

[@christopher8295]

Didn't broly got killed by energy amped ssj goku (cell games period) in movie 8 and got overpowered/killed by gohan, goku and goten's family kamehameha (beginning of buu saga period, all only using ss1 except gohan "arguably") in movie 10 ? Gogeta would ragdoll him just like dbs broly got bullied by dbs gogeta. ZBroly is way too overestimated, he doesn't come even close to gogeta 😅

[@Black_Knight_-BK-]

I'd place Broly at a level below Super Perfect Cell tbh. If he were brought back in the Buu Saga with a zenkai, then I'd say he's SS2 Goku/Majin Vegeta level max

[@vegetasbiggestopp659]

@@Black_Knight_-BK-through feats alone broly would one shot super perfect cell

[@williamjones9707]

In each of the times they killed broly there was never anywhare close to the amount of power goku had as a SS3 yet people really think broly could mess with goku fusion

[@bazibazaka9376]

As a BROLY fanboy, I honestly believe Gogeta could beat him. However, I also believe that BROLY could be stronger per-say. I’m am biased though.

[@ToasterXD]

Most consistently gogeta Is stronger but you’re correct, you can 100% just scale him above all of Z if you took Koyama’s absurd claims

[@Ps2vin]

thats a no from me chief, coming from a vegito fan and a broly fan. Broly would take decades before he caught up to gogeta

[@burnscooper892]

Vegito vs Jiren please. SSJ 3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan from the Buu Saga is too obvious.

[@ToasterXD]

Doing both anyways

[@handzofstone1152]

And Vegito vs. Jiren isn't? 😂 Vegito would've humiliated Jiren. At best, Jiren would have had to hope that they defused early. Which wouldn't have been a real win anyway.

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Toriyamas statement about the movies being in a different dimension or whatever is just his OPINION and all it really means is that they're non canon to his original Manga, just like DBGT... HOWEVER, the movies and DBGT are part of the anime CONTINUITY, no question whatsoever... Movie characters such as Garlic Jr literally have their own anime arc 😂😂😂 and Cooler is shown in DBGT.... So YES, we absolutely can use the DBZ anime to scale the DBZ movies 💯

[@ProGamerManski]

no you cant too many movies happen in the same time frame for it to be possible, and Koyama the guy who made the movies are their own story disconnected from the anime

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@ProGamerManski inconsistencies don't matter... the manga/anime is already full of inconsistencies... and Koyama never said that, he literally said that the movies are based directly off of the arcs in which they were made...

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@ProGamerManski deadzone is like the raditz fight... worlds strongest is like the Vegeta fight... tree of might takes place on the way to namek... Lord slug is namek... Cooler movie is like the Freeza fight... metal cooler is like the mecha freeza fight... Super 13 is android arc... Broly is the Cell arc... Bojack takes place right before otherworld tournament... Broly second coming is early buu arc... fusion reborn is buu arc... etc... The DBZ movies are most definitely part of the DBZ/GT anime continuity

[@Shroobi]

heat

[@ToasterXD]

SHUT UP SHROOB 🗣️🗣️‼️

[@Shroobi]

@@ToasterXD I AINT DO NOTHING BRO SHITS FIRE CAUSE THE GOAT WON

[@ToasterXD]

I DONT CARE 🗣️‼️

[@Shroobi]

@@ToasterXD BRUH L MANS

[@dominiccuffee5297]

Just Like Super's Broly....Z's Broly is Getting Folded by Gogeta

[@user-jp5yj4kc7o]

You lost me at the immeasurable speed