Blackwing Lair Rogue Loot Priority | Classic Wow

In this video, I go over how good each item is in Blackwing Lair for a rogue.
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[@MrKim93]

Thank you for making this video. It was actually me, who asked in your twitch chat which items I should use my DKP on first. You replied to me saying you would probably make a whole video about the topic. Shared this to all rogues in my guild.

[@divY1337]

Why would you share it with all your other rogues. Let them spend their DKP elsewhere so you have an easier time :D

[@CTOOFBOOGLE]

Ya kinda boned yourself there buddy

[@prodge64]

Cheers mate, you've helped me with my priorities going forward, which will be swords.

[@juicybear1986]

Great video. This video confirmed my suspicions about BWL loot. I use WoWhead as a reference for BiS rogue gear and it lists 8/8 Bloodfang as BiS. For swords great, but I'm a dagger rogue and after investigating BWL gear, I realized pretty quick that this was just not BiS for dagger rogues. keeep up the good work. and you got a new sub outta me :D

[@byteme0000]

That’s very true. I certainly wouldn’t complain if I had the full 8/8 Blackfang set plus the Perdition’s Blade and Core Hound Tooth daggers, but there are better armor options for dagger rogues if you’re a min/maxer.

[@Zatar]

I forgot to mention that Maladath is bis until naxxramas for non-humans. Also, if you do not have Viskag, I would prio CTS over DFT.

[@Salty_Arthass]

And what if you have perds? Still CTS over DFT?

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@Salty_Arthass this is assuming you have good weapons already. Weapons for melee are almost always going to be prio. If you already have perds, you most likely have CHT. so you should go daggers. If you are trying to go swords, you need to prio CTS AND Maladath over DFT. It's much easier to function with primo swords than it is one trinket. albeit an amazing trinket. you shouldn't ever be using perds in OH. if you have a mh sword and for some reason a dagger OH then you want to be using CHT.

[@Salty_Arthass]

I have a less than optimal setup right now - Perdition's in MH, Brutality Blade in offhand - no CHT unfortunately - and I'm a human rogue. Therefore, CTS would allow me to swap back to swords, the optimal build for human, while not actually needing maladath at all!

[@pepto200]

What about for humans though? I’m not sure what to go for offhand now. Should I get brutality blade or put my viskag in my offhand after getting CTS?

[@pepto200]

Does that mean brutality blade is bis for human rogues until naxx as well? My dreams are crushed knowing I won’t be wearing Maladath it looks so sick

[@ownageDan]

boots of the shadow flame are NOT going to go to dagger rogues first. bears should have prio 1 on those, reason being the shitload of stamina, hit% on a non-ring slot (which are used for armor on bears usually) and extremely high armor value.

[@latorian6272]

Yes, but he's discussing it against rogues.

[@stevendocker6331]

And how many bears does your guild have exactly for it to matter? its still dagger > sword

[@latorian6272]

@lobomuerto11 No, due to the lack of hit % for feral tank they would have first prio. After that I would prio dag>sword due to sword having prio on T2 8/8

[@phillewee]

Is it possible you can release a video explaining the tactics for BWL only from a Rogue perspective ?

[@mrillis9259]

Just DC near the suppression room.

[@berna6900]

@@mrillis9259 underrated comment

[@k1mpman]

the shoulders feels like a dagger in my heart repeatedly as you state how awful they are T_T so beautiful shoulders tho also daggers gameplay so fun im questioning taking the swords from bwl :s

[@johncurry7225]

If you get dragonfang blade or perditions you can stay daggers. The key is to not let anything pass you by. It could take you months to get a good weapon, so if something drops you should go for it. Regardless whether its a sword or a dagger

[@k1mpman]

@@johncurry7225 alright! My guild told me they will basically throw gear at me so I'll hopefully get something to start me off :) thanks for the response

[@newbornsound]

In my rogue experience, go for whatever you can get. I wouldn’t miss out on a good item cause I’m saving my points and hoping a specific item will drop later for me to get. Better to have something than nothing. And it will all come with time. But everyone plans differently 😉

[@GS-el8ll]

I watched this vid for info on maladath, but what you said contradicts the general censuses that ive gathered.

[@Zatar]

What specifically contradicts the general consensus?

[@mantequillas1278]

I don't play a rogue but man wish there was something like this for a fury warrior. We only get like 6 upgrades in BWL depending on your spec and race. Boots, cloak, shoulders, ring, trinket and a weapon.

[@inflames8019]

to all my fellow rogues.. the reason why DFT is so high on the list is because basically every PDPS Class wants it.. my guild is running a DKP System and all the other Rogues already spend points on T2 Set items this week while i currently save all my Points for either DFT or CTS.. if you're playing a Human Combat Sword Rogue you can skip MALADATH completely Brutality Blade in the OH is better for Humans than Maladath. DPS wise the 2 best Upgrades in BWL for you are T2 Chest and CTS...while these items are better upgrades DPS wise now though in long term thinking DFT is BIS until P6 so you might wanna get DFT first if you can.

[@sloth210983]

Funny to think back how little we knew back in the vanilla days. I passed on maladath so many times because I didn't really value sword skill according to what we know now.

[@jellyfish461]

Lol how can you pass on that great offhand sword. Just the look is insane.

[@sloth210983]

@@jellyfish461 I mean, I was already holding Chromatically tempered sword in my other hand so already looked stupid. Just trying to keep AP and crit above a certain number while completely not knowing how broken weapon skill is. Ah the classic days.

[@jellyfish461]

@@sloth210983 😂

[@MashTheKeys]

The problem with Maladath (alliance side at least), is that Human Rogues will never get it while Human Warriors still need it... and Non-Human (lol) Rogues are either daggers, or not raiding.

[@a.o.skurtt]

how much of a dps upgrade is DPS numerically? if you had to estimate over say blackhands

[@MetaGoblin]

Don't know why im drooling over BWL when it took me to 5 months to see one viskag to drop and I lost the roll haha.

[@Zatar]

I'm worried about CTS drops. Even Maladath is listed as a low droprate on wowhead. I really hope those numbers are wrong.

[@MetaGoblin]

@@Zatar I'm especially worried because I'm so unlucky. I've had 80% raid attendance and I only have about 5 epics haha.

[@TheFitDragon]

drop rate is correct, pray to the rng gods, but typically you will see one every 10 weeks

[@CDirk1]

Ive seen just 1 perdition in 2 months and it went to a warrior ;c

[@lilbeartv9039]

I mean we literally just saw our first core hound tooth if we want to talk about luck, only seen one perds, one aged core leather gloves, no nightslayer bracers, two nightslayer boots, no viskag, one band of Accuria, oh and we started raiding the second or third week after launch

[@eddie4691]

Hey Zatar, thanks for video. Need ur opinion, I m dagger rogue and i like playing daggers more than swords. What do you think is the balance for pvp/pve for gear if i not ranking pvp (dont have much time to play) for phase 3. I m thinking about 5t1+3t2, what do you think about it? And what pieces of t2 are much more better than t1 for dagger rogue so i can choose which to swap ? Thank you!

[@MagnusFXT]

Alot of these items that are BiS have hit on them. Are they still BiS if you have all of the items? Wouldnt you be way over hitcap? Is there a point where hit % has deminishing returns? Thank you for Amazing content!

[@Zatar]

You need 25% hit to reach hit cap with autos.

[@MagnusFXT]

@@Zatarand until then +hit is still the best stat without diminishing returns? Thank you so much for all your videos man! The best source of rogue classic info💪🏼💪🏼

[@Samu3I]

hey! a noob question :(, yesterday I won CTS in BWL, but I had viskag in my MH and mirah song as offhand, I put CTS as main, and viskag as Ofhand, is this ok? and should i have the offhand warblade instead of my viskag ?, and if I would have to replace it with the warblade, can you explain why? Thanks: D P.S = I also have maladath, but everyone says it doesn't work for me because I'm a "human rogue", and the skillcap on weapon is 10 ... so I'd love for you to help me with this :(

[@Goobermint]

Zatar, Maladath is useful for Human rogues. it lets you unspec weapon expertise. you can put those into other taletns that give dps increases.

[@Zatar]

I think any human Rogue that rolls on maladath is incredibly selfish. It would benefit a non-human Rogue and human Warriors so much more than them. As a human Rogue you would gain it very small damage increase from moving the talents around like you described. If you are not in a guild and are pugging I guess Anything Goes.

[@Goobermint]

@@Zatar Warriors have edgemasters and rogues should be human. the non human rogues would benefit more but although 305 to 310 is big, its not so big that you can say it is "not good" for humans. Cleanly getting the aggression talent for 4% sinister and eviscerate damage is huge for the offhand stat stick. its almost tied with brutality blades 1.3%crit 18-19AP but has about ~3 more dps after penalty and a better speed. its truly good for humans and technical bis. although i wont be getting it, i use thunderfury in my offhand. Gd - Thunderfury-US Give it to the non humans if they are good is ok, but not over a good human, with context to their race and gear.

[@jmg8856]

@@Goobermint No its bad for human, cause there is no talents worth putting those 2 points. Also ZG OH is wayyy better.

[@Goobermint]

@@jmg8856 i said which talents. that comment is from before ZG knucklehead.

[@kazekui]

good list// would def prio CTS and Maladath for any sword rogue, daggers def stockpile dkp for DFT, once your tank has it ofc

[@Jackaroo.]

I don't even play rogue, but good job! :D This makes me want to level a rogue XD

[@gullf1sk]

thanks for this warrior item video, very helpful

[@aksolomun256]

Why 8piece T2 bonus is for swords and not for daggers? Thank u for the answer!

[@Zatar]

The Proc is better for swords. The extra procs from sword spec combined with a higher chance to proc per hit due to how ppm procs work result in more procs.

[@michaelsimpson433]

I think it could be debatable depening on proc chance that going 8/8 as a dagger rogue would be better. You already get +5 to daggers from talents. So the other +5 you get from aged core is wasted because the ideal wep skill is 308. After that its not efficient to keep stacking wep skill. So I would assumed losing out on 3 wep skill would be ok considering you would be gaining that massive proc chance from 8/8. Would love to hear other’s opinions on this.

[@CTOOFBOOGLE]

Michael Simpson going from 305 to 310 weapon skill increases glancing blow damage from 85% to 95%, seems pretty significant.

[@monksoup669]

You videos almost make me want to level my rogue past 40, but I know how bad I am so I won’t give in to the temptation

[@calelaquidara8698]

I like the style of this, but was hoping for more insight on which items will be contested by other classes etc. Especially DFT is super sought after.

[@phillewee]

Im a dagger rogue with similiar gear that u have today Zatar . will you try to swap for Sword build with chromatic sword etc. when BWL release or will you stay with Perd/CHT until AQ40 releases ? I feel pretty bad swapping out my daggers for sword when there are other Sword rogues who benefit alot better from the swords from BWL.

[@Zatar]

I definitely would not want to take CTS, especially because I have had bis daggers meanwhile our guild has 1 viskag.

[@phillewee]

@@Zatar yea same for us only have 1 with viskag.. then i stay fine with my dagger setup ;)

[@simbagrove9522]

If you have quickstrike ring and don julios should you even go for the masters dragonslayers? 13 less attack power but i dont really need the hit, the crit on quickstrike is nice

[@Zatar]

It would be a very minor upgrade so would make sense to prioritize other things

[@bennis.4096]

Nice video, thanks ✌

[@TheSmilodon78]

I don’t like this vid because the introduction picture is a sword undead rogue with the chromagus sword in the off hand 😰

[@radiknarang9337]

thx for that vid man

[@crocopde]

I never wanted to tank and i always ad my eye boots of the vanguard and i said give it to someone else but still they gave me shadow flame boots bro they gave me the head i never used it even once rofl. F

[@YTCENS0R]

The worst advice you could possibly give a melee class, is prioritising a trinket over any weapon. Despite the hit which is already obtained through pre BiS; DFT's 4 sustained dps vs CTS' base damage alone, isn't on par to any other upgrade, in addition to the 2 dps from the swords' stats. If you're a sword Rogue, DO NOT hold out DKP for this trinket over the main hand. If the CTS drops, go all in. Mala drops more often.

[@Zatar]

I agree if the sword drops first, that it would be a good idea to spend dkp for it, however, if you would ask me which of two items I'd rather have, focusing purely on PVE, I would take the trinket. You also imply that you get the hit you need from pre-bis, but as a rogue hit has value until you are hard hit cap at 25% While the immediate damage increase from CTS over Viskag is greater than dft over crit trinket, I think the long-term value for DFT cannot be overstated. If dft dropped before cts, would you all in on it?

[@YTCENS0R]

@@Zatar Rule 101 weapons are better that any other slot regardless of PvE focus or not. And ironically, if PvE is your priority, then you should be favouring all the hit you can get. Edit: And no, as mentioned, I hold out for the biggest upgrades first. DFT can wait when you can run with DM's Seal.

[@kevinkennedy2819]

@@YTCENS0R The difference is that EVERYONE wants the trinket. Weapons will come will also be replaced, the DFT wont.

[@YTCENS0R]

@@kevinkennedy2819 And everyone will get it when BWL is on farm. It isn't a game changer in terms of damage meters. Roll this off to the rest of the raid so you get sword priority, and then you'll get this for free because everyone else has it. There actual difference is that everyone hears how DFT lasts till AQ40 but it really isn't worth shit.

[@kevinkennedy2819]

@@YTCENS0R Its a 15% drop chance. So 1 every 6.66 weeks. Most raids will have about 15 melee. That's 100 weeks for everyone in the raid to get a DFT.

[@SneekaSneek]

Not sure if you mentioned it in the video or if I just missed it. You said that the Boots of the Shadow Flame should go to dagger rogues, but why should sword rogues go for 8 set piece more than dagger rogues?

[@Zatar]

The assumption going into bwl is that ages core leather gloves and the individual best items will be better than 8 set t2 for daggers. This could change depending on t2 proc chance

[@SneekaSneek]

@@Zatar Yeah that makes sense! Thanks for the answer dude! Good video as well :)

[@evanmeibers7735]

Hey man had a question I have trouble finding where felstriker works in all of this is it better in offhand than corehounds? Should I be using it main hand if I have corehounds? Please let me know! Thanks!

[@beenishwaqark985]

lo❤💙👄

[@Zatar]

I would use it in main hand and cht in offhand

[@juhotaystuho9807]

cant swap trinkets in combat even if u vanish

[@justinformayor]

you cant swap trinkets in combat in raid with vanish

[@TheFitDragon]

its random because i was able to on mag, but during ony after the fear I tried and couldnt

[@Justin-gd6uf]

@@TheFitDragon You cant do it during major bosses like Rag and Ony. But other bosses should be fine.

[@kasperhaslund3930]

Why is that every time someone comes up with some kind of BiS list they want you to stack hit like there is no other stat. This is the same. Hit, hit and more hit?

[@Zatar]

It's not that we are intentionally stacking hit, it is that all the good items have hit in blackwing lair. You can choose to use items without hit, but then you'll have less crit, attack power, and hit. Also hit is really good in raiding.

[@pepto200]

What is BIS offhand weapon for human sword spec rogue for phase 3? Please don’t tell me it’s brutality blade

[@Losnegard96]

it is.

[@wangyuadam2315]

as a dagger rogue im planning on t2 head chest bracers belt pants for my 5set. And core leather glove fs,as long as shadow flame boots. But how would u suggests between t2 shoulder and dragonhide(30sta,46ap)

[@Zatar]

I would use t1 shoulders in pve dragonhide in PvP

[@wangyuadam2315]

@@Zatar i didn't bother to get any t1 set lol, im using 6set shadow craft and core leather glove and bf pants. And highest dmg in my guild

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@wangyuadam2315 your guilds dookie

[@wangyuadam2315]

@@benjaminghazi787 yeah a small guild don't even have 40 core ppl 😂, but i love them

[@berry7676]

The necklace

[@crowyn1644]

I think you should say that these items are only BIS and most wanted if you arent hit capped. you should go for crit and agi after that

[@Zatar]

But that's not how Rogue damage works in pve. Most of your damage will come from auto attacks, and depending on how many buffs you use, you might already be at the auto attack crit cap. Meaning that unless you get more hit, you will miss so many of your auto attacks that you lose out on crit percent. Even if you are not facing the crit cap, one percent hit increases your damage almost as much as one percent crit.

[@alexdorobant7692]

Hey man, I have Vis kag and Brutality, 2xt2 and 1xt1 pieces, what do you think I should get first? T2 pieces or weapons?

[@Zatar]

Weapons

[@TheFitDragon]

why is bloodfang set so good for sword rogue?

[@Zatar]

The reason we are assuming dagger is not going to use it is because of aged core leather gloves. The increased damage from the weapon skill combined with the fact that you don't have to equip every piece of tier 2 will outperform the 8 set. This could all change depending on the proc rate in classic.

[@hca2]

best ring set for combat spec into bwl? QSR and Don julios band, or Major Mojo infusion set

[@Zatar]

Band of Accuria and Master Dragonslayer's ring.

[@Zatar]

The major mojo infusion set comes out in zg and is worse than the 2 rings I mentioned

[@hca2]

Zatar ok respect. guess i’m rocking QSR and Don Julios for now. always lose rolls on BoA and don’t think masterdragron slayers is out rn

[@Sempie]

what makes you say that 8pc bloodfang is good? i cant find any info on why a sword rogue would want 8pc over the offset items or BiS for that phase.

[@SkullatorNZ]

because it's a proc which does damage as well as heals, that's big. Dagger rogues have other items they need to have equipped like core hound gloves with the +daggers on it.

[@Sempie]

@@SkullatorNZ but is the proc better DPS than having the off pieces for a sword rogue? Not talking about daggers

[@whatever]

make other classes

[@Feledged]

regarding your glancing blows dmg, it's incorrect, it decreases over all weaponskill bonuses, at 5 weapskill you are down to 15% glaning dmg instead of 40, and at 8 skill you're down to 5%

[@eNv3n0mX]

he's said that it's gonna eliminate glancing blow penalty nearly entirely

[@san-cn1ku]

Is the chromatically tempered sword is the best sword before naxx? or can i use this sword to play naxx?

[@Zatar]

There is a sword that drops in AQ that is better but Wowhead lists it at a very low drop rate. classic.wowhead.com/item=21650/ancient-qiraji-ripper

[@san-cn1ku]

@@Zatar oh thank you for answer my question. Ancient Qiraji Ripper is really good ,but it is 58 damage per second too, so if i get chromatically tempered sword, i dont need to change my weapon before naxx right?

[@Zatar]

CTS will be good in Naxx, but the ripper is 2.8 speed, so a decent upgrade.

[@TheFitDragon]

Why am I not super stoked about Maldrath? I just really like a faster oh. Anyone else agree? Sure its great but its not anything absurd. Id prefer 1.7-1.9 ias oh

[@Shantri]

If you focus on speed and not stats you are probably correct, but for nonhumans weaponskill >>>>> other stats, until you reach 308

[@RhoxTheHero]

Doesn't give Drake Fang Talisman and Boots of the Shadow Flame far too much unnecessary hit for rogues? They get for free 5% in talents and don't need that much additional pieces with hit, becouse set pieces and necklaces alone are enough to get the crucial 9%. I think warriors (tanks and dps) und feral druids have much more prio and benefits with DFT and BotSF.

[@Zatar]

Its kind of the opposite actually. Rogue is the only class that needs hit past the (6/9%). So while it might be harder for pther classes to hit their hit cap, rogue is the only class that never stops getting hit (hit cap is 25% for us).

[@RhoxTheHero]

@@Zatar I read about that 25% hit cap too, recently but the infos are very unspecific. I think with 9% hit all your abilities should always hit. Additional hit should only benefit ur auto attacks. Is it worth to stack that much hit when u rather can stack other useful stats like crit, agi or ap?

[@DukeNukemIsHere3]

@@RhoxTheHero Most of a rogue's damage comes from auto attacks, which means hit is still very valuable beyond the soft cap. You're not purposefully trying to stack hit after soft cap, you just go for whatever items that increase your dps the most, and in bwl that happens to be items with a lot of hit. And that's actually very good for dagger rogues because in current bis gear and with full world buffs they are hitting crit cap, which means they need more hit. (More hit increases the crit cap).

[@user-dc3nr4ks7z]

First of all u cant reach 25% hit. While u can say that hit is useful above 9%, its not that beneficial if you aint hitting that hard cap. You can get better stuff instead of excess hit. But on current phase you dont have that many options. It all comes down to how good t2 8 piece set is. But definitely having 15-16% hit is just nonsense.

[@Swayvuh]

@@user-dc3nr4ks7z you clearly have an agenda as to why your class deserves it more than rogues. 15-16% hit is huge cause our autos now do more damage which is where more than 50% of our damage comes from. Its not about missing in this situation as to why we want the hit, its due to the fact that it allows our autos to hit harder. Warriors should not be prio on this item (exception to the main tank, but wars are getting flask that gives 75 strength so really its not needed still), warriors can heroic strike queue and not have to worry about their autos missing. Feral... maybe if you have a good feral tank who's ACTUALLY tanking bosses, then yea I'd consider him. People above have given you plenty of good responses as to why the hit is important to a rogue, but you continue to ignore what they're saying and claim they're wrong. Eat your vegetables big brain boy.

[@jeboteyt]

could you please do the item priority for seal fate dagger rogue? i am tired od combat

[@Headie91]

''Not much crit items in BWL'' and u wanna go seal fate? I can just tell you, w8 for aq40 before u start thinking about seal fate.

[@HavokBWR]

Ive got don julios and tarnished elvin ring on my sword rogue, would it be worth getting circle of applied force? Ive currently got 8% hit on my gear.

[@Jemso999999999]

With perd and core should i go for 15 agi on mh or +5? Im combat dagg pvp

[@6ic6ic6ic]

@@carbon8929 you want plus 5 wep dmg on your main hand and 15 agi on off hand. Dont crusader your mh dagger

[@benjaminghazi787]

don't listen to carbon, always +wep dmg on MH. your backstabs go of % wep damage. +15 str is nothing. and yes +15 agi on CHT

[@benjaminghazi787]

Carbon sorry wrote +15 while looking at agi. Anyways +100 str occasionally is not better than 150% of +5 wep damage every Backstab. Backstab scales off of weapon damage + ap. If your weapon is 100 top end damage and you enchant it to 105. Your backstab scales 150% or 105. That’s more than 100 str

[@MexcanNinja]

a guildy said i need 13% hit with my gear out of BWL what is the meaning of this. is the 9% total not enough?

[@Hybridsixtynine]

9% to not miss yellow hits against a boss. every point in hit ontop of that means you hti more whites. since these make up to 50% of your damage, you will want to maximise it. also, the higher your hit, the further your crit cap expands, but that's advanced stuff that you shouldn't worry about yet.

[@Xarcriloth]

Hybridsixtynine 6% to not miss yellow. New values found months ago

[@alexheath9262]

What are you valuing crit and hit at, as a dagger rogue your gonna have like 19% hit when you equip full bis, at that point is it not better to take stuff like bf boots due to the fact your also picking a bit of crit up instead of massively overcapping on hit?

[@Zatar]

As a rogue you don't stop getting hit until you're at 25%, the hard cap.

[@alexheath9262]

@@Zatar ok cool but with that said, what's your crit value in terms of ap, and what is your hit valued at before and after 9% if you dont mind?

[@Zatar]

Oto's stat weights are decent. 28 ap = 1 crit, 24 ap = 1 hit. This is for raid geared and world buffed sword rogue.

[@sebastianvega4749]

all websites show Bloodfang as the bis, why u think not?

[@Zatar]

Most just ignore dagger.

[@sebastianvega4749]

@@Zatar but are they bis for swords too?

[@CloudStrife893]

I honestly preferred dragonfang blade in offhand compared to the tooth.

[@Gretstarret]

You shouldnt. Corehound has 1% crit, 20 ap and 1.6 speed vs 16agi, better dps and 1.8 speed of Dragonfang. Corehound wins easily since it boosts your main attacks more. Also Dragonfang never really competes against CTH since DF is mainhand due its speed and CTH is offhand. DF is forever a weapon with "use it if you dont have anything better"-tag on it.

[@wowmaster55]

Why are the shoulders not good in pvp? Dodge is great for pvp plus they have better stats than any other shoulders for pvp.

[@Zatar]

Taut dragonhide shoulder pads are way better in terms of pure stats. If you are going for the nightslayer 5 set, depending on which pieces you have nightslayer shoulders can be better Even the blue PVP set shoulders are better, because they're about as good, and you can pair them with another piece for the set bonus. All in all you are pretty much never equipping these shoulders unless you have the eight set in PVE or you don't have any other shoulders available.

[@wowmaster55]

@@Zatar Ok, that's a fair point but dodge is still really good in pvp even without the 8 set, especially if you don't have epic shoulders yet.

[@hurricaneh123]

So you saying use tier 1 shoulders over tier 2?

[@Zatar]

Yes for pve

[@Salty_Arthass]

So for a human rogue, Brutality Blade still BiS offhand?

[@brendanfreeman8367]

CTS is not a MH, it is a one-hand. CTS will be BiS in both MH and OH.

[@Zatar]

CTS is unique. Yes brut blade is bis

[@Salty_Arthass]

@@Zatar Great, that's what I was thinking as well. Thanks for the response.

[@lithium332]

​@@Zatar if you have CTS MH, is BB still better than Viskag for offhand? I would think Viskag would be an upgrade due to higher DPS, and slow offhands are no longer an issue due to normalised procs across all weapon speeds right?

[@Zatar]

Poisons and sword spec are both not proc per minute

[@darrak1]

you mention that T2 chest has a low drop rate and bracers have high drop rate...wtf? they have the same exact chance to drop.

[@vmikazuki6281]

7 percent difference in drop chance between the two

[@kiaz6217]

I don't understand why the Maladath sword is better than the others, why are you preorising that sword, for the chance of a hit?

[@kiaz6217]

How does it affect the player if I add +4 on swords?

[@kiaz6217]

I'm too confused hahaha I need help

[@Zatar]

Simply put your auto attacks will do more damage to raid bosses if you have 308 weapon skill. I explain it further in this video when I talk about Maladath.

[@robibraimi]

Hey zatar Can you make a video of rogue POV raiding when BWL launches?? Great video!

[@Zatar]

I will stream the raids, and make boss guides a little while after release.

[@robibraimi]

Zatar thats awesome!!! 😁

[@TheTugenukem]

Even thou i enjoy watching your guides, but one thing bothers me, too much jada jada, u may want to keep it short and skip extra jada away. I actually had to skip some of the stuff cuz it was getting boring and not required information. Anyways keep em coming.

[@autistusmaximus8040]

probably dont wanna take boots of shadow flame from your feral tanks

[@slaen1500]

Yeah if you have a feral in the raid Priority to them. Period.

[@autistusmaximus8040]

@@slaen1500 Skarm would have mental breakdown lmao

[@slaen1500]

@@autistusmaximus8040 I'm not familiar with Skarm. I'm guessing Skarm is a feral druid? But the stats on those boots would be great for a Feral Druid. The stam and armor is excellent for druids. If there's no Feral I would def take em. I play a dagger rogue.

[@autistusmaximus8040]

@@slaen1500 Skarm is a very competent tank in general, and the hit on those boots make them the perfect pair for ferals both metigation and threat wise. It woulf be cruel to counsil these to a rogue over a feral tank. If no feral tanks in the guild, sure a rogue could benefit but not nearly as much as ferals could.

[@slaen1500]

@@autistusmaximus8040 I looked up Skarm and I'm Horde on the same server as him. Odd I haven't heard of him.

[@alfredovilla3816]

What about Dragonfang Blade?

[@Zatar]

I talked about it toward the end. TL DR it's really good, but it is not bis in main or off hand. For that reason if you do not already have epic daggers It's really good and worth picking up, but obviously still worse than perdition's blade and Core Hound Tooth.

[@alfredovilla3816]

Zatar oh okay i must have missed it- thank you for the reply! I’m actually highest in dkp and I’ve been waiting on perditions for weeks now and I was debating on whether or not to take this or keep waiting for perditions so I’ll def stick to waiting on perditions if it ever drops :/

[@zepho100]

Got a warrior version?

[@Myreset]

Why does no one ever talk about Thunderfury! =((((

[@MrTooToasty]

Eh, rogue in my guild has both bindings. Been super lucky though and main and OT have sets as well.

[@TheFitDragon]

I get the next Baron binding, 3 tanks have it already. Godly rogue weapon for low manning content like strat live etc

[@TheMushybees]

4:20 its not that its not good for human rogues, its just not *as good* for human rogues as it is for non-human rogues. but then, if you're alliance and you're a non-human rogue, why are you using swords? use daggers.

[@Gstargameplay]

Very helpful. a like and sub from me 👍

[@eyez1989]

what trinket in DM?

[@Zatar]

classic.wowhead.com/item=18465/royal-seal-of-eldrethalas

[@gishathosaurus6828]

Boots of the Shadow Flame are pretty sick for feral tank though :

[@Maishian]

Stay away from my boots! ~ Feral tank.

[@labutak1]

why do you think items without agility and critical strike for dagger rougs? we have daggers, isnt that obvious? only swords should have items with attack power and hit .....we are doing more dmg from abilities than sword rogues and need only 6% for that i use only backstab and it uses weapon dmg, not stupid attack power and 20% hit or what you think should we have....so if i have very very high crit (40%) and crit every backstab with 100% hit.....i think its much better than what you choose.....you should calcute it

[@Zatar]

First of all attack power increases your auto attack and ability damage. Also, in PVE over half of your damage will come from Auto attacks even as dagger. As you get more agi and crit will hit the crit cap with your auto attacks if you do not have enough hit. Basically what that means is it you miss too much you will be missing so much with your auto attacks that it eats into your Critical Strike. This is because you obviously cannot crit on an attack that misses. So hit is very important for Rogues, even dagger Rogues. And keep in mind while you can gain crit from various consumables and world buffs oh, you cannot get hit so easily.

[@labutak1]

@@Zatar then it makes sense, i thought AP only adds damage per second - dmg from auto attack, not from ability and dmg is the most important with single bosses, as i can for every boss use adrenaline rush + thistle tea, with 40% crit i think the auto attack is just a pure joke for daggers....also, did you consider perditions blade + 5dmg enchant + 8dmg sharpening over instant poison?

[@Naitamaso]

Within 3clears I now have both swords and it’s lit af

[@ClausRow]

what should humans use instead of Mala

[@arni222]

Thunderfury > R14 Blades > Brutality Blade > Maladath > Viskag for offhand as human

[@Zatar]

Brutality blade

[@ClausRow]

@@Zatar Ok so I should shoot for Chromatic and Brutality then

[@gerrieherwijnen1088]

Enh Shaman trinket fuk rogs 🤣

[@Greynth]

Combat rogues are not touching Boots of the Shadowflame whatsoever. Any guild that has a feral tank and gives the boots to a dagger rogue first is a shit guild. Combat rogues won’t break 8/8 T2 until T2.5. Master Dragonslayer’s Ring is not bis until Naxxramas. It’s replaced by Signet Ring of the Bronze Flight.

[@Zatar]

Once ferals / daggers have the boots, they are great for combat until they can assemble 8/8. The two rings are nearly identical. Most people rate agi as worth 2 ap (when buffed).

[@Jemso999999999]

@@Zatar what does that mean 1 agi is worth 2 ap?

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

dft is warrior prio. bye

[@SamSam-bg6ok]

@Professor Thinker In hardcore guilds dft goes to warriors because they do the most dps.

[@popopopopopopoppe]

If anyone knows of a similar video for other any other class I would highly appreciate them.

[@GreenMonster921]

popopopopopopoppe look at starmtanks video on Bwl loot prio, long video but some good info there

[@popopopopopopoppe]

@@GreenMonster921 Yeah I've seen that. I just wanted something more specific for each class, what they're aiming for.

[@JustHanabi]

Maladah bad for humans ?? Lol wtf. Learn more about weapon skill.

[@kennethjoseph2812]

Purple parse rogue telling people how to raid, lmao

[@slaen1500]

Do you even understand how parses work? Or are you just naturally a fucking asshole?

[@kennethjoseph2812]

@@slaen1500 He parses 92.... horrible rogue

[@kennethjoseph2812]

@@slaen1500 Zatar's best parse on golemagg is an 88. LOL YIKES DUDE

[@slaen1500]

Kenneth Joseph whats your best Parse as a rogue? You do realize that parses depend on how fast you kill the boss and cooldowns being available depending on how fast you reach that boss?

[@kennethjoseph2812]

@@slaen1500 Then why are other people in his raids parsing 99? Lmao

[@juszczaq]

1. You gotta edit your videos. So much stutter, breath taking breaks, random pauses, and plenty of useless talk. Makes all the useful info hard to get to. 2. With Maladath -- how about it giving human rogues the ability to spend 1 of their talent points somewhere else?

[@Zatar]

Due to the nature of how the combat tree works the extra talent points are near useless. You could get 2% increase poison damage and another combat Talent that doesn't increase damage. All in all not worth when you could instead using offhand that increases your damage. On your first point, would you kindly point me to what was useless. I would appreciate it and I appreciate the feedback.

[@juszczaq]

@@Zatar Try listening to the video while you only have 10 minutes to spare (that's about as long as the vid should last if edited). 10:30-11:06 "(long intake of air) now... everything I just said about the boots, multiply to the shoulders, cause the shoulders are worse than the boots. They're not, you just, you're not going to equip these pretty much ever (pause) unless t-d-you wanna look cool or you have the eight set, so until you get the eight set you're gonna use these, they're not good in pvp, they're not good in (pause) uhh... in (pause) raiding, they're just, they're juse not very good. So (pause) if I had to pick (short-pause) the last piece of Bloodfang i-it would be this one, right? You're not, you're not gonna even (lip smack + breath intake) worry about using this item until you have the eight set... so. (lip smack) pretty weak. Uh.. next we got... " and so on. The whole vid goes like this. While it this whole thing above could be: "Shoulders suck, don't use them" :D j/k... It could be: "Everything I just said about the boots, multiply to the shoulders (you could also use a script, as this could clearly be worded differently), cause the shoulders are worse than the boots. You're not going to equip these ever, unless you wanna look cool or you have the eight set. They're not good in pvp, they're not good in raiding. So if I had to pick the last piece of Bloodfang, it would be this one. Next we got... " Two whole lines of text less. Could be even shorter and cleaner if scripted.