Can you carry BAD teammates?! | Whose Fault Is It Anyways? #4

[@Ashdalle]

This series deserves and needs more episodes on a more frequent basis, it's such an important topic to review in our games but no other places really covers it as well or depth as you do... Keep it up :)

[@Nootlest]

For sure

[@michaelpapa]

The only problem with these videos is the people that need them most aren't going to watch.

[@mgsa1991]

I really enjoy your positive tone on your content. You find a way to get your point across without "looking down" on players beneath your skill level/bracket. Hoping you could do pos 3 advice or pos 3/4 meshing in hard games / hard matchups like basics of creep wave manipulation on a 3 and a 4's perspective

[@Jefrejtor]

Excellent video. Some games are tough from the start, so it's best to learn how to avoid making them harder.

[@albertegg8225]

Z, you are such a G. Thank you so much for every video you upload. You're a treasure trove of knowledge and a fantastic resource we in the dota community are very lucky to have.

[@raid1010]

I like how this guy's quite positive unlike some other YTbers/ higher MMR coaches

[@snoozerdota2885]

What a cool patch. At several times in this video you say, "it might not be better, but it is more fun[ny]." I love that valve gave us these choices

[@piees3773]

I love this series. Sazzy Zack is awesome!

[@oceanus2293]

A+ down to earth content. Much love!

[@mnation694]

Iam very happy for this content, so relaxing after long day in school

[@alizafarani5267]

i just love you so much 😂😂😂😂especially when you trying to keep your voice down

[@flyingroosterfarms1709]

This is an awesome series. May have to find a replay where I am crying about trying to carry the game and if it’s actually my teams fault or not. Ha

[@nitinshooter]

Picking TA was a bad pick but last picking TB was criminal. TB is very weak to pure damage of counter helix. He was more likely to lose lane to Axe.

[@isaacdunford6394]

Fantastic! I love getting flamed by teammates who pick last and don't pick something the team needs. I had a game a few weeks ago that we had 2 normal supports, I picked viper off lane early in the second faze our carry picks anti mage, then our mid goes Medusa and flames everyone for not making enough space for them.

[@maximusaurelius610]

That was a great video keep it up

[@AngeloMercado1127]

I was legend 5 almost ancient before calibration. but after calibration i was down to 750 MMR. and now im slowly climbing up spamming Jugg as Pos 1 or 3. and now im Archon 2 without adding my team on my game plan.

[@rezachardin1318]

amazing video Zach, Keep it up

[@mikkeedamo5458]

Thank you so much Z! Appreciate your time and effort for this❤I really learn alot with this. Actually I watched all of your vid, regarding on how you analyze your own replay I’ve finished that. Even tho, still good to see first hand on how to do it. Moving forward I will try to get better analyzing my own replay. - A suggestion from a fan, if you could add at the end of the vid your twitch ch and time of streaming. I mean for someone like me who is just watching and doesnt time to read ( haha ) it would be helpful to grow the community. Thanks Z!

[@shardj5151]

10:15 I think you're wrong to criticise refraction use there. It's 52 seconds and luna isn't showing, it seems clear that she wants a water rune so you can punish that by pushing the wave into her tower. Without seeing the replay properly I couldn't be sure about that until we saw that it was indeed the case at 10:52 with luna going for the bottom water rune. Because of refraction pushing the wave fast luna is forced into choosing between missing gold and exp or the water rune, in addition it allows you to run for a water rune without missing anything in lane. TA has the bottle charges needed to easily sustain the use without it really costing anything since she's guaranteed the other water rune. Because luna went for the water rune she misses exp on one creep, is forced to use her q to secure the other melee, and if the TA was better she also could've ensured luna didn't then get either ranged creep but she went for the water rune early instead. You do mention that a couple of times where TA isn't going under tower to pressure luna or fight for those denies, completely agree there as that flaw kept coming up. TA in particular is rather good at pressuring heros under tower as she can hit psi spills on denying friendly creeps who are running at the enemy hero, and her refraction makes it safer to dive a little than it is for other heros to do.

[@peskycritter79]

This video was super helpful!

[@karlivanantonio3922]

I like this series! Keep it going!

[@DirtySancheeezz]

Valve should honwstly do something w those weird offlane spectres and wraith kings either u can't pick hard carry until 3rd phase or something like that

[@akumpawatjr]

Commenting for better reach

[@ibrahimceren401]

this was so good i learned too much do it more pls !!

[@cadebruce4401]

1) Match ID: 7005876068 2) Hero: Ursa 3) Why my team is wrong: CM playing really bad. throwaway game bc support mindset maybe? Team in general pretty useless ig. Why I'm right: Totally dominated NW first 30 minutes despite terrible lane partner. Still almost won the game despite megas and tough lineup to play into as ursa. I know I made some questionable decisions like misjudging strength or not backing but game felt 1v5

[@cheeks7050]

Dis your best series

[@ahsidodna3355]

i lost 3 matches that were unwinable, mid random picked and didn’t want to play min 1, mid thought he was hc and got stomped, mid was disconnected for 4 minutes and the other mid took over the game, it happens, it was 3 out of many, not even close to 1k mmr worth and doesn’t stop you from climbing

[@Delacrow_l_Chawngthu]

If you are mid and don't stomp your lane you're in the right bracket unless you're counter picked. Pos1 can blame support, pos 3 can blame support you don't have anyone but yourself to blame. And support can blame everyone because support players are usually better at their role than others and they rely on you to win.

[@benedictjajo]

I'm divine 1 and my hard support picked Medusa. Made blademail first item. How to win?

[@flyingroosterfarms1709]

LOL. This one actually made me laugh. Sorry to hear this man.

[@carlosm6247]

How to deal with Peruvians hard support gyro ?

[@CastlesKingSide]

That there was an offlane spec, was one thing, but you literally have 3 cores that supply only physical dmg (and a bit of pure) with no lockdown. I think that made it even worse. As dumb as offlane spec is, I have been in such teams and won if the draft was decently rounded in crusader/archon/legend games.

[@painfactory548]

Are you sure that an offline Spectre is that big prpblem in herald bracet? I think Spectre can get tanki with some tank items. I understand that enemys can ignore him most of times, but maybe if enemys dont do that right, a tanki Spectre can get annoying for herald players becouse they want to kill her.

[@PANICWORKS]

The problem isn't offlane Spectre exactly, its that in this rank people will pick carries as offlaners and still build them as normal carries.

[@jameseden9380]

Great series

[@TheBIackEye]

I love your Video already. I think the best mid would be qop, magic sf or invoke

[@HadoukenHero]

I love sassy zach lmfao

[@SSC604]

I am always stuck on these teams. Mid omni, offlane wk, safelane ww pos1. You can't fix the behavior of other people, so in conclusion other people will totally hold you back.

[@wegohardonearth5179]

Who's fault is it? Im PL carry and Shadow fiend mid looks at my items at 30 min and starts flaming. My thoughts was we lost the map at 20 min so how can I carry with that kind of space? Match id 7005770089

[@soldieroftruth77]

So what heros should he have picked instead? DK? Legion? Mars? Kunkka? Husk? Dawn? Primal?

[@ZQuixotix]

Anyone that is active early without needing to farm a lot. Ignoring current meta, DK, Mars, Kunkka, and Primal would all be pretty good. DP, Puck, Ember Spirit, Void Spirit, Tusk, and Invoker (QW) would be fine too. Many others could fit

[@josh19889]

I like the level of sassiness. :D

[@markreyes5818]

subscribed awesome dude

[@markg.3171]

I’m playing ember spirit pos 5 in 10-100 mmr want to check?

[@rowia.builds]

Are you trying to stay 10 MMR? That's a good way to do it

[@MrPian0Mann]

@@rowia.builds honestly at that mmr going full core lineups isn't bad since the game usually goes 50+ minutes anyways

[@markg.3171]

@@MrPian0Mann I think so yes

[@markg.3171]

@@MrPian0Mann I think I played well early pos 5 then transition split pusher 1h games 10mmr vs late gamers

[@2wheels2]

makes me want to play mid and try these concepts out. match ID: 7008505385 i played Earth Spirit. felt like my mid Morph, after given the advantage, went afk and relentlessly fed. i left top as it felt like a hard lane until my Tusk, offlane, got XP and ult. i hould have smoked and went bottom with Morph when my Ursa still was farming there to help him out. mid game was chaotic and without plan, ppl spread out everywhere and feeding until a random fight breaks. the enemy just slowly crushed us and we lost.

[@gio-qd9ii]

In low mmr 8/10 matches u get teammates who steal cs with spells and then if u outcs them they go jungle and stay there for 30 minutes and makes items like aether lens . Then they try to fight when we all are pushed hg destroyed almost all barracks and afk in spawn

[@gio-qd9ii]

And some hardsupports pick animage or alch and go to jungle at lvl1

[@gio-qd9ii]

Don’t forget midlanders with just blades of attack and feed

[@gio-qd9ii]

Even if we trash mid gank every lane and destroy tier 1 all core teammates go to jungle and afk there

[@gio-qd9ii]

While playing offlaner Carry is fighting for cs with hard support or getting bullied because hard support is leeching behind him

[@gio-qd9ii]

While playing carry even if I snowball Because we are winning our team mates go gank mode till 50mins . Try to go high ground they in jungle or gank mode. We are alone there either try Roshan and take 1 tier 3 no one for barracks

[@omarmendez4536]

Great analysis, Z. Teammates will always be an easy scapegoat, but people who want to improve know the buck stops with them.

[@lapirazo6461]

Did all my best I could but my team just runs like a headless chicken waiting to get butchered

[@ougonce]

@@lapirazo6461 It is statistically impossible, with enough games, that having bad teammates will make you lose more than 50% of the time

[@soroushmoein6861]

you can always see this types of noobs that never try to deny or stack camps. they just take the carry's farm never rotate and blame others for loss. as you can see luna dominates the game because she had a free lane.(I wish my enemy mid lane was like you)

[@arolorn]

Match ID: 6998592193 I was pos5 Dazzle for pos1 Juggernaut. I think it is pretty evident that he griefed his own lane by running in, then not pulling aggro instead running towards the creep leading to him being out of position and die. He then did a small camp pull which put the final nail in the lane equilibrium then complained about where the lane is and went off jungling for the rest of the game. Had he stayed I would have tried to deward small camp and do a half pull. He also complained why I stayed in the jungle to get the coin at the start of the game instead of going river with him. Should I have gone? Seemed like a bad play to me. I really didn't know how to salvage the situation and make the best of it. I tried to just stay in exp range but I still ended up feeding.

[@pt8306]

I don't understand what you're saying around the 14:20 mark. Why would pulling the creep wave to a neutral camp be beneficial? Wouldn't the time it takes to kill the creeps and the camp take too long, to the point where you miss the next creep wave? Since lane creeps are worth more than jungle creeps, surely this is wasting farm? I am only a Herald player, so I am not asking because I think you're wrong, I'm asking because I don't know why my perception of the situation is different.

[@rub33dota]

You wont miss creep wave because your creep went under the tower. This means the creep wave will meet at the middle again. If enemy tries to deny all creeps, sure. But they are still farming 1 wave of creep while you farm 1 wave + big camp. Ta farms neutral quite fast with refraction too

[@pt8306]

@@rub33dota cool, thanks. Maybe I'm just a bit daft, but it seems to hard to comprehend where to go and how to manipulate the waves during the game.

[@hilmarlysgard2124]

Herald here. Opponents and teammates are so inconsistent. Sometimes you sit a carry that cant lasthit vs fucking John Wick and the next game the opposite. Consistency plzzzz

[@thewolfssegen4290]

7005782038 I'm drow. Take your pick. From Lesh feeding mid and dying solo hitting t2s, to marci having a death wish at every point in the game, to ns refusing to play aggressively at any point and taking my safe farm, even hood had a crispy 3/14/7. I think you'll have a tough time calling this one reasonably winnable

[@badsn]

What would have been the pick here? I think I would have gone for Viper. Who else?

[@beatsbycal8223]

Could you make a video on how to farm as a pos 5? I never get any last hits from lane creeps or neutral creeps and im not sure if im playing it wrong. I end most games with around 20 last hits.

[@lapirazo6461]

if your core goes neutral go farm his creeps, also take the bounties.

[@tohnnyblamo5914]

ive been playing for 15 years and dota is just a toxic game. I have games where everyone on the enemy team will chase me throughout the map with no support from my own team. Its horrible, and im not gonna sit there for an hour or 30 minutes with no support from my own team. Its just to toxic.

[@alexanderlee2261]

Thanks ZQ, Match Id: 7003170948 Hero: Rubick Bracket: Legend (Unranked) Not a ranked game, but I genuinely felt I dominated my lane and played better than both their POS 1 and 5. Our offlane centaur should have had free farm and rolled over everyone, but midgame comes around and it feels all 3 cores are weak and I'm unable to fight with any of them. Would appreciate some analysis.

[@alexanderlee2261]

Sorry, im actually archon now. haha

[@rowia.builds]

7007423672 I was the 4 nyx assassin. My offlaner was afk so he could last pick, and decided picking pudge against slark was a great idea. Nyx is a bad laner but good later on, especially against their team. I'm not amazing, but holy crap this pudge made this a loss

[@justluciann]

pudge into slark is not even that bad tbh

[@7cey7]

Match ID: 7015811582. I'm playing Earth Spirit, and I think i did fairly well most of the game. My laning phase is a little meh, but overall I think that I did good, and I was not at fault at all but my teammates were this game. So we had a bad draft tbh, and I recognized that I needed to help my teammates in the early, if we even should have a chance this game. But the feed and crying for help in all lanes made it hard for me to decide what to even do in the game. I hope you will take my match in consideration in your next video, so you can pinpoint some of my mistakes and what to do, to help the team better, cause I feel like i lost some timings in the game that I could've capitalized on, but i cant quite say how and when, it's just a feeling..

[@ĹŐĹĨŚŤĂĹĶĔŔinc]

next time carried a team with support hero then

[@naufalazmi5876]

it's like one of my games when I got pos 4 sniper and I have to lane against drow ranger and treant as second pick mars bcoz this pos 4 didnt want to pick a hero in the first phase, sniper blamed me bcoz I cant contest any last hit against drow when I have to deal with treant and sniper just standing around not doing anything and maxing his 3rd skill It's crazy how people blamed other people for losing the game when they don't even know what they're doing in the game to try to win

[@rogercoello6801]

Never play carry in low ranks. It is unplayable, play mid or support.

[@rowia.builds]

@@rogercoello6801 play a support who can carry the game, like a shaker or something that has stupid impact with a bit of farm

[@arslaanpasha3334]

​@@rowia.buildsor bh

[@ziraluna5062]

Match ID: 7008592499 Badly need some advice to climb up. My rank is Guardian III and I just had a long game. I thought my team was supposed to win given the events that happened in the game. But we lost since their carry eventually farmed decent items to win. I'm having fun playing support and choosing Skywrath Mage. I notice some stuff that I can improve on but I'm having a hard time pointing it out. Can you help me? I really want to raise my rank as a support.

[@DouglasWilllliam]

Hi! I'd like one of my games reviewed in this series if possible. Match ID: 7540942036. I'm playing Centaur Offlane (currently Guardian IV), and we got our ass beaten by a PA carry. We had a Riki carry that, instead of focusing his farm he was constantly focusing on defending all towers he could. He ended up with no items and I believe it's because of this that we lost.

[@DJdoodoo]

The game was lost after the first 10 minutes though so you didn't help him.

[@MultiDevvrat]

Hi Z! Loved this video, submitting mine because of how insightful this was. 7006434431- Herald bracket. I'm the CK, I was at my lowest in this game (last of 6 games lost in a day). My off picked Sniper and then my mid threw (idk on purpose on not). I think I had a decent lane, but please flame me to let me know I have greater control on the outcome with my plays than my submissive quitting mind then thought I had. Thanks for the content!

[@karthikeyanswaminathan2380]

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[@roswellquas9974]

the thing that annoys me the most is when some braindead subhuman no brainer picks bad heroes

[@juanvanden2829]

The problem is boosting, period. At least in South America, being gilty the peruvians. This was facilitated by the new patch, which made low brackets matches unplayable. This really sucks, there is NO balanced game. NOT EVEN 1. No enjoyable game.... hence...uninstall this will happen... population will decrease ps. last awfull match i've played, i had a lifestealer off, who only farmed and died all the game... lol

[@kova1729]

So bottom line, it's your fault you lost because it's not your Ursa that sold it's items and fed mid that lost your game, you just need to play like a 10k to leave guardian

[@arthur1338]

if you want to climb you need to have more then 50% winrate. To do that you need to be way above average your rank, so at least play better like a 55~60% winrate in your rank. other wise you won't be able to climb. So yeah winning mid by a stomp is a way to climb.

[@kova1729]

@@arthur1338 I am criticizing the video for suggesting a guardian player do all these things 6k+ MMR players do, you don't need to play like a 6k mmr player to rank up from guardian, playing like a 3k is a more reasonable goal for a guardian player

[@wiizardx]

i rarely play mid/carry because i always pick support 1)7007835227 2)ember 3)I want to play 3/4/5 but my team wants me to play this role. The mid is the hardest role for me since the enemy is a sniper. When i got levels, i managed to kill him once or twice, but then the enemy started bringing 4 or 5 man to help the sniper. my team can't help me because they are busy getting back on their feet from a bad laning stage. i don't want to play mid heroes because instead of farming i am forced to create plays and at the same time carry the game personally i'd rather play offlane if its a core, at least i can build tanky items and wont need to deal that much damage. After my first few kills, the game just got harder, lina became really online fast and with bkb, and sniper got the space to farm. the high level slark owned me when i rotated. so in this game rather than being a "mid carry" i became a space creator as usual . I still got farm but nowhere enough to carry my team against tricores. I picked ember because i know ember can outplay sniper when he gets level, but maybe i should have picked another hero. What do you think? I dislike the dawnbreaker offlane pick since its not really a tank, and it doesn't initiate compared to other heroes like BB or NS. What hero(es) and movement could have won this game?

[@jftsong4181]

Not exactly sure if it falls under this category, but in herald there's a lot of people who go to role queue and completely ignore their roles. And somehow double midlane is very frequent issue I face. 1. 7010592186 2. Razor 3. Sniper pick support and go mid the whole game, I thought he was just going to be someone who play like a core and steal last hit at top but he completely ignore everyone and stay mid. I tried to stay top as long as I can to absorb some exp because I thought jungling and leave top completely open is a bad idea.

[@killingmonkey11]

Can you win a 4v5 where the 5th man on your team is walking into the enemy fountain feeding or just activally hiding in base avoiding the afk detection? Essentially 5th player decides not to play but also not abandon the match.

[@binuyers6497]

Match#6995968276 played riki support when 3/5/34 made good rotations and setup team but felt helpless in late game cause the whole team

[@artofwasabi3337]

7005608854, I was FV, sniper could of just ended it with me... we had megas and hitting throne but he was hitting sculpture... then they wiped us.. I tried to ulti and finish but not enough DPS...

[@yoh-boy281]

7006524701 I played as lina and the last push when we going high ground for the last pair of racks after roshan. My mid SF bought arcane blink and blink deep into their base and get disabled to death without buy back because they purchased items. I raged 2v5 and died back but I dont think radiant will let me wait until SF respawn.