How Roshan’s Banner Actually Works

In this video we go over how Roshan's Banner works and the strategy behind where pros are placing it. Some specific points include which types of creeps it affects, how to find where enemies place it, and how banner-buffed creeps match up against super creeps.
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[@user-jb6rv4nz6h]

just tested the roshan trick. Kinda weird that they include something like this in the game.

[@gustavsvensson4025]

Roshan trick ?

[@KitsuneFaroe]

​@@gustavsvensson4025if you subcribe creeps turn into Roshan when passing through the banner

[@endro7503]

@@gustavsvensson40252:40

[@skindiacus2900]

yeah if you subscribe to zzADRiANzz, the banner buff turns all your creeps into roshans. So like subscribe? I don't see why you wouldn't.

[@zzadrianzz]

Yeah I wasn't sure if I should include it because it'll probably get patched out, but I figured I need to share this important information 🙊

[@AalapShah12297]

I had watched the Falcons Vs. Betboom game when it was being streamed live and the casters covered the banner placement so badly. First they thought it was a dire banner because it was in the dire base. Then they realized it was a radiant banner and they criticized its placement because it was vulnerable. When you mentioned at 1:25 that it provides almost as much vision as an observer ward, my mind immediately went back to that game and I realized why Sneyking placed that banner right before Ammar wanted to blink in and cast doom. Glad that you went into this much detail in this video.

[@zzadrianzz]

Thanks! Yeah I think even for lots of high level players/teams this item was a bit of a mystery.

[@rainchopper898]

The Dota 2 official casters make me want to put a toaster in a bath and power the toaster and then fill the bath with water and then jump in the water.

[@Mustang_G]

Crystal maiden moves a lot faster after going through the roshan banner.

[@zerosuitsamus2340]

Ah yes, osfrog forgot to nerf CM movespeed again

[@lukedevilux5447]

Proof she's a creep type Hero

[@dullthesun]

cm nerf incoming next patch

[@user-bj2zm6fz1d]

Works with antimage too

[@megaflup]

thank god someone goes trough the theory of this. thanks adrian!

[@veghyn69]

"is it pog, is it dog" goes hard

[@gordonlacroix4040]

The fact that it destroys trees is helpful against mk.

[@NFGDota]

Yooooooo big brain

[@vanitas6580]

I killed an enemy MK with two rapiers on their high ground. I was dazzle with banner. Though it was an accident.

[@chandankumar10360]

Til banner can be cast globally. My noob ass tp ing to the location

[@YoutubesaysimCyberbully]

its written tho

[@durere]

@@KZbinsaysimCyberbully I don't read bro, my eyes get bored

[@EarthSpirit.easyzdota]

Hes a dota player bro he cant read

[@chandankumar10360]

@@KZbinsaysimCyberbully if I would have been so keen on reading stuffs, I might have done much better than now. Xd. Infact don't even read/know damage numbers or skill names. I just know this one heals, that stuns, this one stuns but not really, some slows you. I guess that's why it's pretty much reflected in my rank

[@SumeragiChain]

It is always the right choice to plant a banner while being at the location so that you can salute and be a good citizen of Super Earth before spreading Democracy to the enemy base!!

[@BigDigAbbdog]

Once again another great and insightful video! We need more!!!

[@beneaththeveil]

I'm just glad you covered it so now we don't have to. Thank you, bro

[@human_being99_3]

thats a good one, i learned so much

[@elsupremeo]

great stuff!

[@parsapahlavan4878]

Great video man. However, in the comparison between super creeps and banner-buffed creeps, one of the supers had flag which I think made the difference.

[@yuzycute]

thank you for this

[@Blablablarandomguy]

Great no-nonsense video

[@zoombinifleen9362]

Excellent content! I always wondered how long banner lasted on creeps and wondered how far out to place it in lane. I am assuming the creeps only make it to enemy T2 after factoring in enemy creep resistance correct? I hope you do a video on the Options > Labs feature that Dota2 rolled out since I can't make head or tails of it

[@matheuscouri2225]

great job keep up

[@jeffreyalejandroperez2473]

I did not know that it can be planted globally. Thanks for the information.

[@Sam1992xd]

never thinked of that, thanks.

[@2RyuGo]

Nice video. I think it would be of interest tho to see if there are any skills that can interact with it.

[@rhysgriffiths9675]

If you put it in your base, your creeps' buff will almost expire by the time they've walked halfway across the map and started attacking anything. I feel like the highest impact for the banner is actually using it as a globally placeable ward to give vision during a teamfight, or to catch an enemy etc. Breaking the trees globally to stun a MK seems pretty OP too.

[@RizalKaizoku]

I will try this next time I have MK as enemies

[@franklink472]

YOU ROCK.

[@TheEdwardvansloan]

Still never use it because it was too confusing but thanks to your video I might start now

[@jostein2869]

You could place it on the cliffs on Dire T2 or Radiant T2.

[@SamSGLM]

at the time sney cast the banner i thought it was to boost both waves but for that to land the waves need to be at t4's. did learn quite a lot. this is kinda of what thjey did with baron buff in league and it helps break stalemates. creep empowerment is the way to close the game, megas always have been that unti lrecently where it feels not that punishing. maybe they should really give like 5% income or what ted said, as they enter base they ignore heroes

[@m136dalie]

Good video

[@mellow2879]

What do you think about nerfed medusa killed by axe's ultimate on her full hp.

[@alparslanklc434]

Finally !

[@InstabardooPLUS]

i need a warlord skills video xD

[@miasma529]

You have a sub. Thank you.

[@ikrar26]

I have do this weird placement when rubick run away with mk tree jump skill.. i jut put that banner, see rub fall stuned, then get blame from my team... But its still the best feeling

[@John-li6sk]

I didnt even knew there was a roshan banner

[@FahmiZFX]

And it's almost the end of the patch too before Crownfall update. lol

[@kusamusa]

Probably a cool usage is if playing against core monkey king and dropping it on the trees he’s sitting on to catch him

[@user-mi8fq5qu3f]

why didnt u mention super creeps and mega creeps buff?

[@icariamcgordon358]

They should allow buffing neutral creep. Isn't Roshan like superboss of the map? I wish it was a bit stronger though so it can work as supercreep remedy

[@artiction]

3 roshan banner is diabolical

[@RandoMattz]

Didn’t know it switches with cheese based on rosh location, ty

[@GondartheBountyHunter]

Roshans banner is most definitely POG and most definitely not DOG. XD

[@LMC7464]

im to lazy to rewatch or scrub through the video, can players use tp on the banner?

[@misterandmisisC]

There should be no restriction about the banner in the radiant side. it should be both available together with cheese after 6th death.

[@oyuyuy]

I think the 'banner-creeps vs super-creeps' test would've been dead even if the super-creeps didn't have a flagbearer advantage, they regened a good ~150HP

[@myronlee93]

Hi Adrian , you should do one video about " How Tiny avalanche+ toss (hit more rock) works" !

[@GildonUser]

Hope it gets some buff

[@zanido9073]

Seems like a good way to feed your enemies gold.

[@facelessvoid2902]

It was probably last month in a game when I thought It was a bug that I can see them teleporting (They were placing the banner around their tier2 & tier3 towers). I told my teammates and guess what? they also thought it was a bug 🤣

[@vincentsoriano8264]

Also its useful if there was an enemy MK on trees you can insta stun him globally and it was quite nice

[@zanido9073]

that seems like the best use for it

[@teqnkka4403]

Dota needs a CEO of polishing the details, there is always something not working, like status icons (rosh banner, shield rune) or explanations of how technicalities work.

[@turquoisephoenix9931]

Won a base race as a support when I discovered that the banners cast range was global... so funny cause i was just wishing i could put it there and it worked

[@VongolaSekundes]

didnt know its global until you mentioned lol. i always put it when a lane is already destroyed/ getting destroyed and very close to enemy tower location to solidify the push

[@turquoisephoenix9931]

@@VongolaSekundes it was mentioned here in the video as well but yeah

[@chossmedia]

I think it's misleading to say that placement from Mira is always optimal. Mid lane is the shortest lane, and there is an enemy T2 up. His placement makes a lot of sense in this context, but would waste it if you're trying to siege high ground. If your goal is to push high ground with it, especially a sidelane, it needs to be closer. Otherwise the buff will just expire. If you're sieging and trapping them in their base, it's not in much risk of getting sniped

[@carr0t]

Can you show how Doubloon works please

[@yangkerino4473]

so much sht has been added to dota that I feel like we need a dedicated slot for roshan drops

[@rubensantos7589]

i use it deep on hg push my enemies ddnt notice they thought it was part of their base

[@f.d.9326]

This aged well

[@dolod777]

Global observer ward PogChamp

[@Sushichese]

WOW OMG

[@crumbs7826]

I place the banners next to the rax of the lane we're currently pushing. It makes it harder for enemies to cut waves as the creepa are much tankier.

[@gridselix]

so why only radiant get it?

[@g0s_vlogs237]

Can flag affect 2 lane creeps or only single lane

[@VongolaSekundes]

single

[@richardusedward1475]

It's a buffed Observer ward.

[@srlaranjaaa]

pog

[@gendalfgray7889]

I want banner to turn lane creeps into necronomicons.

[@nuep9651]

Cheese can be sold??

[@cha3erryb3rrie]

Can it also buff helm of overlord,necronomicon units?

[@JetFiiire]

Did you even watch the video?.........

[@Charlielinja]

No it can't

[@Jonksy]

No one is talking about how it only lasts 45 seconds and it feels like I'm going crazy. Whats the point of putting it in your base, in a lane where you have tier 1 tower still up? The creeps will lose the buff by the time they reach the lane, they might engage one other enemy creep wave while buffed. A lot of the time in pro matches they would place the banner in their own base, or behind tier 1 tower, in a lane where baracks are either exposed or already dead, meaning that the creeps will push the wave, but will just barely make it to the opponent's side/ base by the time the buff runs out. 45 seconds is not a long time for a creep!

[@JetFiiire]

It's enough to keep a lane pushed for 5mn. If you dont understand the benefits of having a lane autopushing, then it's time for you to find a video about that. It gives space, vision, pressure to the ennemy team (yes because even if they dont have the buff when they reach T3 they will still chip away tower's health). That's why Lycan's shard is good and annoying, it does exactly the same thing, helping the lane push itself, but worse, and it's still pretty good. Also ennemies busy depushing the lane will take more time because of the HP buff. Overall you can completely stop playing on this side of the map because it will defend itself, while the ennemy team will have to regularly depush it, giving you a ton of space on the other side of the map. That was even explained in the video...

[@rhysgriffiths9675]

@Jonksy You're right, and the idiot @JetFiiire who commented above clearly doesn't understand your point. Yes, if you put the banner in your base, your creeps might only have 10 seconds of buff left before they start attacking anything, or maybe the buff is even expired if your creeps are already attacking your opponents base. Which means that if your goal is to push a lane, the ideal placement is to put it as close to the point of creep contact as possible, on a lane where the enemy is unlikely to kill it. Putting it in your base could be totally redundant.

[@JetFiiire]

@@rhysgriffiths9675 i understood his point and I disagree with it. Yes you can put it near a T1, and yes it will make your creeps stronger for longer, eventually able to hit towers/racks with the buff. The thing is, it will be hard to defend the banner, as one hero can just backdoor it easily, or 5 heroes can push the lane, take the tower, then the banner. Or make a smoke move towards it. The point is it will take ressources to make it safe. They can't do any of that if it's in your base. Also, you're both too focused on the creeps hitting the buildings while buffed. Placing it in your base gives you so many benefits for 5 minutes that will outweight the benefits of putting it near a T1 and having to protect it. Also as shown in this video, they will still push buildings without the buff, because they will make big waves on the way to ennemy base. You don't understand any of that because YOU are the idiot, and that's why you're low mmr :)

[@thiag0d]

Yeah maybe you guys should go pro then, you are way above pros level, because they are putting banner on their high ground, but you guys knowledge is something else

[@TheInfectous]

@@thiag0d pros oftentimes aren't innovators (they're optimizers) and in a team game with long game times it takes a long time for good strats to rise to the top. Do you know how long it took for players to go deso on TA? What about rat strats? Little things like these commonly take close to or over a year to start becoming meta in pro games because the larger factor in pro play is how good you are at the current meta and how far you can push it. if you can increase your chances by .1% by doing new banner strats it just doesn't matter much it takes a top tier team to become notorious for doing something for most pros to catch on and realize it's good because most of them don't ever get good by thinking much about the game, they get good by copying what already works.

[@Razomka]

Good to know that I'm my turbo games. I can get a ward off roshan when playing Ursa 😂

[@cotaspedro7]

algun dia quisiera saber como se hace el hook de espaldas

[@llc4117]

does death pact instantly kill the banner?

[@fitzviandraduivenab2790]

It's probably considered a structure like Undy's tomb or Lich's spire

[@OliverNybroe]

I once used the banner to stun a MK 😂

[@DebangshuRoy_dCoder]

Catching mk from cour killing

[@michaelpatino5879]

*worked, might need a new vid

[@fitnessmessiah7525]

I think the broken part about it at this time is that its global

[@peteoburrito920]

I thought it buffed heroes the one time I used it was in a team fight and they killed it almost immediately and my team flamed me😂

[@ropemantv]

It's disappointingly weak when compared to cheese Mainly because the buff is not permanent

[@NickHermans]

POG

[@AYoungContrarian]

Did SUNSfan gave you the ideea?😂

[@kingdino1723]

Cheese can't be sold now bro

[@aleks_wise]

Самое крутое то что если а вашей команде есть анти-маг он становиться МЕГА КРИПОМ до 60 минуты когда он покупает манта стайл

[@TheLarsPlay]

Anti Treant and Monkey King item. I bet after everyone watches this vid, their winrate is going to get close to 0%

[@gadithya4447]

my dumbass always placing it on enemy hg coz i didnt know its global 🤦

[@robert_2866]

The item just badly designed. Even an aoe add more neutral creeps to the neutral creep camp is far better mechanic compared to this.

[@xprorzmafiax8238]

its not that useful mostly i rather to take the cheese which is like a another ageis but banner is too stupid they should let us stack banners so we can even dominate mega creeps or make it permanent so the enemy team has to destroy it

[@geoffreyfook9735]

This didnt age well

[@mariobautista8294]

why im watching this video? in my archon bracket cores dont care about objectives fuck rs and tmt sad life for a support spammer

[@Videoskuker]

the banner is trash, just denie it

[@andrewho18]

unsubscribed for lying.

[@geohondo]

Disliked for lying

[@red-ed1yu]

Lol

[@zzadrianzz]

😢

[@funtimegamer1787]

when new patch or new update is releasing make some video about that .....tq

[@jiexmark1]

but u can't miss on ward from lowground