great video. Why didnt you have the CNC drill the countersink for the screws?
@sidekaar5 күн бұрын
Great video. We are troubleshooting a spoil board with a low spot in the middle right now, and this gives us some things to check right off. Thank you!
@Statedwoods5 күн бұрын
Glad it helps. Make sure to screw it down throughout the table. Then flatten
@thomasharrold55565 күн бұрын
I taught highschool shop for over 25 years. The first day of the beginners class I would drop a 1 1/2"-2" pieces of hardwoods on the table saw, to show/get their attention. I had some students leave the class because of it. That class only had one required project. The infamous roll top bread box. They did ALL their own table saw work and cutting tambors at the end of it, is what was shown in the video. They were required to get checked off on cutting them. Most did okay. But some I didn't ever leave them alone to do it. I didn't have ANY accidents performing this operation, except one. And it was a Good One. He failed to get checked off. He was in a hurry. He was taught to NOT run his left hand past the blade, ( EVERY accident in my class, on the table saw was ALWAYS on the left hand), and he didn't set the blade height. It was at least 3/4" above the stock. The blade ran up his first finger on his left hand and came out close to the top of the finger. It went between the skin and the bone and supposedly didn't hit any nerves. Unbelievable. For the longest time I couldn't figure out t had done it. Finally I figured it out. Besides teaching students NOT to run their left hand past the blade, I also taught them to ROLL their fingers UNDER!!!! That One rule saved probably ALL of his fingers on his left hand!!!! If his fingers would have been on top, they would have been sucked into the blade and REMOVED! That rule was one I thought of myself. Made me feel pretty good, when I FINALLY figured it all out. It can be applied to the band saw, disc sandey, jointer and other machines. It sometimes can't be used, but in those cases, keeping the fingers as far away as possible will do the trick.
@ricardosantana54246 күн бұрын
If it’s true production quantities it’s ESAB…now I have to admit I work for ESAB automation so I am biased. 😅
@Crusher9mil10 күн бұрын
I found your review/comparison to be well balanced and fair. I'd like to note that you didn't include labor in your pricing which I think to be fair you should have. If one system takes 5 days assuming 8 hours per and a rate of $75/hr that's an additional $3,000.00. Price may vary... Let's face it, time is money. If your more of a hobbiest and like tinkering the choice is obvious and likewise if your in business and all about production I think the choice is equally obvious.
@Statedwoods10 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Tried to be as fair as possible
@blingbling57412 күн бұрын
I worked with a guy who got kickback to his nuts. His nuts swelled to the size grapefruits.
@bendelliskave513212 күн бұрын
The true issue is competition.Makes perfection having said that. To be perfect you have to get feedback.
@MS-uz4ix24 күн бұрын
What about the rubber belt on the y-Axis. Does that require any type of rubber preserver or cleaner?
@Statedwoods23 күн бұрын
I haven’t heard of anything on those and Thunder doesnt have anything on their site about it.
@magicbazzo27 күн бұрын
Do you use the same holes for the screws every time you change the spoilboard or make new ones? If you use the same holes won't the holes after a few times be useless? And if you make new holes, aren't you damaging the CNC bed and will have to replace it sometime in the future? I have been thinking of putting threaded inserts in the bed of my CNC and then screwing the bed using the inserts, but I'm not 100% if I should. I was also wondering. Why don't you use the CNC itself to make the holes on the spoil board? Thanks for the great and detailed video.
@Statedwoods26 күн бұрын
You can do any of those options. Inserts work too. Phantom has them in their tables now. I get 12 fattenings out of a spoilboards and only need to flatten maybe every 8 months or so so by the time holes are an issue, I would have newer technology in a new machine. Maybe replace spoilboard every 5-6 years or so.
@GPOutdoors29 күн бұрын
Good morning - thanks for the overview. Just a question : why do you put oil on the runners on the gantry? My manual says to clean it with alcohol? Won't lubricating the channel cause the wheels on the laser head to slip? Thanks!
@Statedwoods28 күн бұрын
Great questions. You want to clean it with alcohol but Thunder always says to oil these and the Z rods for the bed. Have never had an axis slip but have had them seize from dust and soot.
@seanmichael5751Ай бұрын
i built one for my 4x8 millright and one for one of my shapeoko 3XXLs and they work great. the bigger one is a lot of maintenende and has a lot of limits. the small one has one rule. use a board close to the size of the table and it wont budge
@Statedwoods29 күн бұрын
Yea exactly. Cover the whole table and problems usually go away. Thats awesome.
@JC-vy1boАй бұрын
That was right at pecker height.
@awl_in_woodworksАй бұрын
Appreciate the detailed info. You made a few points I didn’t think about.
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Awesome. Glad we could help
@NolanBuiltАй бұрын
Great video Nick! 👌🏾
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Thanks! Appreciate that
@chrisjaustin88Ай бұрын
Interesting. I dont do large format CNC stuff so I was naive to this. Not all what I thought a vacuum table did. Good content.
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Thanks so much. Check out the physics of a vacuum table video on our channel as well to see what they really can do
@adenwellsmith6908Ай бұрын
I can't understand why you put the controls on the front and not the side. That way you have space for a vertical milling area.
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Idk i dont design them. It would also require some tracks forward to allow the spindle to get in front. Most people cut a hole in the top and add vertical areas
@adenwellsmith6908Ай бұрын
@@Statedwoods Exactly. it wouldn't take much to make it an option. You would need a vertical clamping surface. That could be an extension as you say, or it could be a door in the table that hinges down. I think the approach you outline is the simplest, and cheapest.
@touv3332Ай бұрын
Man this guy makes me spend money first I bought a Phantom cnc and I just ordered a Thunder Nova 51
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Oh no! Haha. Sounds like your growing that business!
@lorenpostma3675Ай бұрын
Very good information. Thank you for taking your time to put this out there.
@StatedwoodsАй бұрын
Thanks. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Means a lot
@ajitwadsal61612 ай бұрын
WHICH ONE IS BETTER A VACCUME BED OR CLAMP SYSYTEM BED ?
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Depends on your jobs. Sheet goods then vacuum. If small parts and small material then clamps work well. Depends on your situation
@RyanWattersRyanWatters2 ай бұрын
1. HOW TO MANAGE THIS CUT. Make a sacrificial push shoe that keeps your hand away from the blade but can put downward pressure and push the piece against the fence. The shoe should be sacrificial so that you can run a small amount of it through the blade on both sides of the cut as you run the piece all the way through. The piece should also be supported from underneath (i.e. via an outfeed). Note there are multiple ways to do thin rips-many of which are even safer-so I’m only explaining a safer way to do *this* exact cut and setup he’s showing. Also, never position your body directly behind the piece between the fence and the blade. If you mess up on avoiding kickbacks, better it hit your wall than your body. 2. THIS UNDERSTATES KICKBACK DANGER. I appreciate that he’s just demonstrating the concept, but this is only a small piece of plywood. While the pinching does occur, the piece’s velocity is greatly limited by maintaining contact with table saw top and multiple teeth on the blade. It’s why it shoots back at about 30 MPH and makes no visible damage to the sheet behind it. It would be annoying to be hit by that piece, and might even sting a little, but truly dangerous kickbacks are when the cutoff piece comes out from between the blade and the fence and makes contact with the *top* of the blade and accelerates with the blade rotation with no physical objects slowing it down. A small piece of oak being propelled at your body from close range at speeds of roughly 100MPH is a dangerous projection that could put you in the hospital. How I know: seeing my father break his sternum on his Sawstop with a hardwood bullet. Also: 1. Wear goggles. Sternums heal. Crushed eyeballs do not. 2. Wear a mask if you’re making repeat cuts indoors, even with solid hobbyist-level dust collection. Remember it’s the dust you *can’t see* that’s doing the most damage to your lungs. Happy sawdust-making everyone🎉 ( @Statedwoods. Great video, but just trying to add some more context. Appreciate ya!)
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Great answers. Thanks for sharing all this
@brokenleadwoodworks2 ай бұрын
Excellent information on lasers and their functions.
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike!
@lewistempleman97522 ай бұрын
Personally ive always found lasers easy to use
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
They are really easy to use. So fun too
@gbjones542 ай бұрын
Great timing. Just got my laser.
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Awesome! You are going to love it
@tubalcain12 ай бұрын
Ok so now we know what NOT to do... what is the RIGHT way to do it?
@FinishingFromAToZieg2 ай бұрын
I didn't care about owning a laser until I watched this video. Thanks Nick!
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for that. Hope it helped
@edgarsadler51572 ай бұрын
Great job
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much
@thisoldman71422 ай бұрын
Great video. Suggestion: fill the unused spoil board with scrap as directed in this video. Add a gasket under the project piece perimeter using door/window self adhesive weather stripping. It comes in 1/4” wide by 1/8” thick rolls and only cost a few bucks.
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Always great ideas.
@seanmichael575128 күн бұрын
in my experience, while this works relatively well in a pinch, you really have to play a puzzle game trying to find the scraps that fit together to cover the rest of the table. sometimes it defeats the idea that you're saving time and hassle by using a vac table.
@RedcarWW2 ай бұрын
In the process of doing my research for my first CNC, one KZbinr put it well. He said that there are 3 tiers to CNC. 1. The desktop/hobbyist/low production ($100-5k. 2. The jump to a production level CNC ($6k-29K). 3. The big daddy of production (30K and up). Looking at the price of the Phantom, you are talking $12,300 for a 4'X4" machine. That is level 2 in my book, You even say this in your video, Pro level. . Anyone just starting out without a true business plan/product is not going to be ready to dump over 12K. Unless they are rich already. Trust me I get what you are saying. You are talking next level, let's make product. For me starting out, I don't want to spend more than $2500 on a starter unit. Yes assembly required. I don't have a product just yet. Though I have ideas. I think in the final analysis you prove your premise Phantom over Avid. I would still say you are comparing a level 1 CNC vs a level 2 CNC. The information is in-depth and very helpful. I think your target group is someone that has a level 1 CNC already and ready to step it up to a level 2. Thanks for all the information.
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. But both the Avid and Phantoms call their units “pro” units. Thats what the Avid Pro 48 is
@hongkongfuihongkongfui93402 ай бұрын
Really good!! One question, I saw a square piece to easily place stock at the honeycomb table, did you build that yourself? Thanks!!
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
Thanks! I purchased that from my friend Peter @ptreesworkshop. Here is a link to the item on his etsy page. www.etsy.com/listing/936707535/
@30minutewoodshop2 ай бұрын
Thanks - I learned a couple really handy techniques! Nice work too!
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
So glad it helped. Share photos if you make them.
@Tsz2g4f2 ай бұрын
How far past the table does the slider extend in the “standard mount”, on the front and back?
@Statedwoods2 ай бұрын
I am not sure. This is the only way we did it. I love it though
@adamjonkie56013 ай бұрын
0:05 I thought so too. And then I got a drill press.
@Statedwoods3 ай бұрын
Haha yea a drill press can be a nasty dust maker
@lonniem3973 ай бұрын
❤️ promo sm
@allanc.finnical44453 ай бұрын
You should remove this video, so no one gets the idea of recreating this. NEVER do something unsafe to make a video like this or not to "show" a hazardous situation! You hurting or killing yourself or someone else is not worth any positive that may result. If you cannot find footage of an accident caught on film or an animation, never create one.
@Statedwoods3 ай бұрын
Me doing this knowingly and safely so I can show others and maybe save way more people is why I did it. This simple and easy video could save so many accidents and was well worth my small risk.
@complexity55452 ай бұрын
@@Statedwoods Its a good video, that's how we learn. Some people believe hiding good info causes bad people to do bad. Bad people and knuckle head kids, are just going to do bad. Don't limit good people by making rules to stop bad people. Bad people usually off themselves via the studies of Darwin.
@wmolaski3 ай бұрын
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@themakercollab3 ай бұрын
Very good video
@Artisanwoodworks733 ай бұрын
Musical Grade.... That's a new one.
@Statedwoods3 ай бұрын
Yea it’s a classification of figure. Holds great tones in instruments
@directive51473 ай бұрын
4+4=7? Man, no wonder none of my stuff turns out, I've been doing it wrong. Lol
@Statedwoods3 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@dianemeeker36894 ай бұрын
please tell me exactly what to use to oil my laser. brand name etc
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil will work just fine
@MadAtMax.300Blackout4 ай бұрын
Yeah but same short show the proper way to do this maybe?
@tangxiyue4 ай бұрын
awsome
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@worer8504 ай бұрын
Rent a craine?😂 wtf
@jesseservice78284 ай бұрын
Muito bom !
@ele48534 ай бұрын
Hey dude, just a little constructive criticism. You are off base saying belt driven is worst than gear. BTW belts have are more precise due to no gabs between gear teeth and longevity is no issue. It's all about the quality of material. Cars run 100,000 miles on belts with no problems, and there's many more stuff to say but I have no time! LOL
@elijah4606Ай бұрын
That must be why all the pro level CNC machines use belts
@ggsggo4 ай бұрын
i enjoy your videos and if you are not an engineer you have a good head for anergy and material balances as well as mass transport and other physicvs phenomina. It took me a while to figure out what you were getting at while wondering is one could isolate thye vacuum to zones. . Zoning is easy to comprehend moreso than you think :-). you are a good person to explain things to people.a 9 x 4 CNC could be quitye rigid compared to 8 x 4. If one doesn't need 4 ' wide they could save a lot with even better rigidity! I may have a custom phantom made. You're very creduble. I'm a scientist, not an engineer but much the same
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words. Appreciate that
@raysanguinetti72084 ай бұрын
Ingenuity and lots of work in such a short time period. Fun to watch…. great job you two!
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Appreciate that.
@JesseStanchfield4 ай бұрын
what's for the info. but are there technical audio difficulties?
@NolanBuilt4 ай бұрын
Great video Nick! Great information!
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
Thanks Nolan. Appreciate that
@brokenleadwoodworks4 ай бұрын
Excellent information and details. "Laser"
@Statedwoods4 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@HouseOfLasers4 ай бұрын
Use a metal polish like Mothers Aluminum polish to bring your mirrors back to life.