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This is fascinating, excellent video.

Neutral winching never seemed intuitive to me. Validating video. Makes sense to distribute the pulling power. That said i could imagine some scenario where someone might be in drive, rev, getting ahead of winch then a wheel slip occurs and creating shock load on winch. In other words, driving and especially reving could increase probability of that scenario. Of course, attention to the possibility will likely avert the possibility.

And the angle car driving much slower, should perform both techniques at the same speeds

I have to angle my way into my favorite gas station if I don't it'll scrape (2022 Camaro). I drive a truck, sometimes I pull a drop deck trailer, I've scrapped the trailer before pulling into a customer lot, that's where I learned about this.

I wish these modern vehicles had a hand throttle like the old 4wds did . A throttle control like a iDrive could be programmed to function like a hand throttle , I did talk to a bloke from iDrive several years ago , he said they were working on it but nothing ever happened.

Robert, I am not a seasoned offroader, however it strikes me that a good addition to a test like this would be a laser thermometer on the winch motor. If you aren't holding anyone up maybe a few minutes rest part way up would let the winch and auto box cool down as well as to let the battery recover. Another excellent video.

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Looked good, but what about in mud and clay? My concern would be that you get some grip, pull forward and then slide back, shock loading like you did on the downhill return. That risk of increased load is to high IMO. I would have double line pulled (to take the strain off the winch). Winching on flat (thick mud etc) I can see the real advantage.

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Let me simplify 10 min of video by saying simply, you need to be on the gas at the apex of a turn in a 911. Otherwise you don't have weight on the back tires, meaning you won't have grip in the back. Watch the video again and see the first two times the driver got on the gas by the apex. The third time no gas, and spin. Done this myself a few times and it can be confusing when it happens since if you're not actively thinking about adding gas at the apex, one can easily forget and a spin will commence. While the driver tried to correct with the wheel, it doesn't help unless he also gets back on the gas at the same time.

The winch work more efficiently when you increase revs as the alternator can help maintain the voltage of the battery.

Winching and Driving only came about because the electric winches of the day were not strong enough to pull the car by themselves. Although electric winch technology has progressed in leaps and bounds, there are still times when they struggle to overcome the resistance/loads placed on them. Back in the day when makes such as Landrover, Nissan and Toyota all offered Power Take Off winches, you did not see (or have to) driving with winches. Sadly, these prime winches are dying out and that is an industry blunder and, I believe a reflection on an industry out of touch with off-road driving.

Brilliant interview all round. Great work to Justin for being so honest and transparent. So refreshing to see from CEO's especially from auto manufacturers.

Handy information to see how things work when winching. I wonder how long it takes to be rutted like that. If a dozer could flatten those popular tracks and an entry fee to cover it. Do tracks ever get repaired?

There was one which burnt to the ground at Stockton. Interested to know what the cause was there.

They are a private corporation and not lawfully enacted to give fines it’s about complying do as we say do not enter into any verbal contract with them

An old (mechanic pump diesel) car user manual tells that Neutral was for other cars winching, (better securing your car to a tree, rock, etc with a strap) or for winching yourself with a PTO (Land Cruiser BJ40 or pajero L040, for example) winch. Some revs helps to increase charging when winching ‘cos it’s a heavy current load for the battery and prevents exesive dreinage and premature failures. I have to apologize for my rusted english 😅

It would seem to be obvious but seeing the reality measured is very helpful. Fantastic!! Thank you

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Why didnt they stick with the original plan of offering a super base wagon for the states , something actually affordable & allowing the owner to build as they go ?

Great info!

Just buy yourself a SUV car. Problem solved.

I'll add two further caveats to drive assist. Firstly, if you have a manual vehicle, make sure you don't burn your clutch out in the process; likewise if you have an automatic, make sure you don't overheat your transmission fluid although this is likely to take far longer. Secondly, I have encountered the scenario where any drive just causes the vehicle to sink further, making things even worse. Salt pans are notorious for this.

If you explained Trigonometry in Metric to the British Soldiers during WW2 too could be an emisary of foe ?

What is the difference between a Oka and a Iveco 4x4 daily

Thanks for a great series of videos on this subject. Great for Justin to give his time and speak so openly.

Hi Robert - Fab video. One question for clarity, so it's legal then to use two Hammerlocks with a hook on a chain as in 28:06 in the vid? The Hammerlock isn't counted as an extra connecting device?

Firstly thanks for making the effort to do this and the information presented it was very informative. For a given diameter the length of the contact patch will determine the amount the tyre drops. Wider tyres have shorter contact patches, therefore you can air down more and still have the same wall height. So they have more in reserve, you can air down by a good few psi and still have the same wheel clearance as the narrower tyre. I bet that extra few psi will improve offroad performance way more than any differences in width. One of the best ways to improve offroad performance is to fit offroad biased tyres, but typically this has a detrimental effect on wet road handling and particularly braking. Something I value greatly as my 4WD is also my family car, having a wider tyre should help according to this video? Narrower tyres allow you to fit a bigger tyre without rubbing and mods to the car, which is a great advantage IMHO. PS all my 4WD's have been stock except for fitting a set of AT's of a size similar to stock.

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Robert, I am an engineer and I am always amazed by your different analyses on various subjects. Excellent viewing. Cheers

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No it was a film....

Sounds like they are doing what Ford does. Ford's F-150 axle capacity is 4.13 tons but the GVWR is 3.56 tons or below in North America. You can do a GVWR increase, but you pay more taxes. The difference is the Ford single cabs can have 1.5 tons payload. Will Ineos make a single cab chassis?

Fantastic video and very useful info. What mode do you suggest using in water crossing? Usually its small rocks/ gravel underneath- hence do you go with mud ruts? thank you

Thanks for this excellent video, finally it is all clear to me.

Safety stars? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are buying a tank that will drive away from most accidents. I doubt a single buyer cares about that. If it was IFS I would not have ordered one, eventually 2.

Extremely interesting, thanks. If I had the money for a tougher 4wd I would defs get an Ineos, the high flow is the only thing that is a problem but I guess you can always fill into a can then into the car.

good video, as a newbe off reader using a 2018 Jimny, I didn't go up a steep rocky hill on the edge of a mountain cliff, since the path was tilted left quite a bit and was concerned about rolling to the side then over. Would installing sway bars keep the wheel more stable and to the ground EVEN on the left leaning angle to it wouldn't tip over as easily? Then I guess on a bumpier path it would be better off. I am assuming for road driving it would be better on, so I guess a quick disconnect would be good to chose for the different applications.

A great series Robert, thanks. My vehicle is going in for it's first service on 23rd May so hopefully the software update is ready. Other than that it has been a fantastic daily driver and work vehicle.

Pro tip: Buy a car that's not sedan or hatchback.

The LED light bar at the front of the Grenadier might well be sold as a work like but 99% of people will use is as a driving light so it will need to be made legally compliant. We know they won’t bother doing this so Ineos should just install it as such. I am fed up with wing blinded by Light Bars at night. So many lights now are non-compliant and not policed.

I believe a single cab or at least an extended cab should be an option, that way the unladen weight would be reduced so the payload increased, plus a longer bed would be available which is a nice option to have. Yes all the extra tooling and manufacturing complexity would increase cost but it would certainly broaden the buyer spectrum.

Great that Justin has provided his time. With parts the issue is also how expensive said parts are

Another thing to consider with payload… (it is subjective) is what features does it already have that would normally eat into other vehicles payload. Eg steal front/rear bar.

That subtitle was a joke, correct? Sarcasm….? There’s loads of LR diehards.

What type of customer refuses a vehicle on the basis of a picnic table? Go to Bunnings, BCF, Anaconda, Tentworld and get one. 95% of buyers would most likely already have at least 3-4 camping/picnic tables amongst their gear.

Great interview. Do you know if the android auto is also affected like the apple car play issue? Had my Grenadier for a year now and have tried with multiple android phones to connect with no success. Very happy with the Grenadier overall. Getting 8 updates outstanding done with first service this week so hoping system updates fix the issue

Good discussion on payload, and it is important. However, it’s easy to miss the issue of suspension performance across that range. Suspension has to do more than hold a load off the ground. Most cars/SUVs have a payload less than 600kg because nobody has really figured out suspension that can deliver ride, handling, reliability, stability and safety over a greater range of load. Utes don’t have 1000kg because they have brilliant suspension, it’s because, as commercial workhorses, they are accepted to compromise in those areas - especially when they are unladen or at max gvm. Ineos aren’t prepared to accept those compromises and have delivered better performance over a pretty decent payload range.