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@stevenash5919 19 сағат бұрын

I thought they made the D series with the 18 inch sub because I think I remember seeing them when I bought my d9s

@martybeaudry5747 Күн бұрын

my fav. cerwin vega that i v owned are the AT12 and AT15. thanks for the video Bryan

@scottlowell493 6 күн бұрын

If I was to re-veneer a speaker cabinet, it would be with real wood veneer like oak or walnut.

@kandiscoaches9047 Күн бұрын

The cost though!

@peterrichard3706 7 күн бұрын

Remind me of my RE 30,s.

@domswashersfansmusicandmore 7 күн бұрын

i like every one cerwinvega speaker ever made including the sl 5

@CasioGreg 7 күн бұрын

why aren't they equi-distant from each other?

@SavingVegas 7 күн бұрын

Each pair is equal distance from each other.

@pabloosvaldopenizzotto1098 8 күн бұрын

Great job! Can you please tell us what is the name and description of the product you used for this project. Thank you!

@kandiscoaches9047 Күн бұрын

Yeah, I would like to know too...@savingvega's

@SavingVegas Күн бұрын

I would have already, but I am not overly satisfied with how this product held up. It's not as durable as I'd hoped.

@stanmyers5994 10 күн бұрын

Cerwin Vega sucks, Chinese junk

@SavingVegas 10 күн бұрын

Man! What do you have against the Chinese? Also, Cerwin Vega products were manufactured in the USA up until around the early 2000's. Later on, some were made in Indonesia and then China. Some of their mids and tweeters were made in Japan, and Taiwan. But man pretty much everything is made in China these days, so either the Chinese really did you wrong one time or you have some anger issues. I'm sorry either way because there's nothing my channel can do for you no matter which issue it is. 😆

@温俊賢 11 күн бұрын

😚 good for you guys DN t shirt for

@Bat8hitcrazy 11 күн бұрын

What track is this??

@thatdudereggie 13 күн бұрын

I have a pair of the LS-10 speakers. I need to know how to connect them to my tv to use as a home theater. Anyone who has the knowledge to help, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not familiar with these kinds of speakers at all.

@thatdudereggie 13 күн бұрын

@robertballard8833 14 күн бұрын

Apparently I have a weird CV. My 1993 VS 120s have the Orange rubber coating, but there no foam - its a intact almost cloth like surround that the orange rubber coating is on. The Orange layer is flaking off, but the surround looks like new and works like new. I have some CV re foam kits, but notice they do not have the underlying layer of surround - they are just foam. I decided not to re edge them - they seem to me to sound as good as they did new -No loss of bass - no distortion of any kind. Where can you get the correct CV replacement that is rubber on surround core?

@cdyanand 14 күн бұрын

I have a pair of SV 120s I've managed to roast one Sony AV receiver 8ohms. Now we have a new Sony receiver that is 6 ohms for TV/ Nintendo. What would be a good amp to power these bad boys strictly for house parties that doesn't break the bank. Any thoughts would be appreciated!

@vulcan6036 15 күн бұрын

Hey, I have a set of Cerwin Vega VS12. Do you by chance offer a service to provide a completed drop in crossover replacement? With delivery to Europe.

@ofcourseimfullofit 18 күн бұрын

My brother had those same AT-12s back in 1989 and I inherited them years later. I blew many fuses but never the speakers. lol You either love CVs or you hate em! They can handle a lot of power. I have a pair of SL-28s in front, a pair of SL-5Ms for surrounds and an XLS-6C for center. I have an 8” Klipsch front firing sub up front by the towers and a 12” Klipsch down firing sub in the back next to my couch. Maybe not the perfect setup but since I wheel and deal a lot in used home audio I hardly have any $ into them. Anyway, great video!

@mattbba8451 18 күн бұрын

4 Ohms for a budget system is ridiculous in a bad way. Most people don't have a two channel 4 ohm capable amp just sitting around being happy waiting for a killer speaker. They have a cheapo receiver usually theater receiver that pushes about 50 watts or less all channels driven at 6 to 16 ohms, get headaches, and wonder why. 4 ohms is not the norm for home audio and I just don't get what Vega, or any other cheap speaker maker is thinking here. None of my friends over the last 30 years save one father of a friend had, an audiophile system and it was NAD. It was made by hand and sounded like velvet and sweetness. It would drive two speakers at 4 ohms with dips to 3 ohms and a non-powered sub. That was 1988 and it cost two years full paychecks and credit from a man that made shit wages cleaning for Tektronics. It was amazing sounding. But it took three people working for that asshole to get his system. It hasn't changed much and 4 ohms sucks. Most speaker manufacturers claiming to be 6 to 8 ohms are usually lying and the ones that claim 4ohms are as well. Most 4 ohm speakers drop as low as 3 ohms because they use cheap assed parts even on speakers up to $2000 dollars each. So put them on notice instead of kissing their collective assets.

@dapbmw 18 күн бұрын

In Canada all D9's are black veneer.

@SavingVegas 18 күн бұрын

I am in Canada and I would have to disagree.

@relentless816 21 күн бұрын

I love the content!!!!! I was surprised you only got 110 out of them. BUT VERY RESPECTFUL!!!! 110 LOL Food for thought and please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not familiar with that adcom gear you have but if it's home audio, the RCA voltage should be .775 and the pa amplifiers need more voltage then that going Into their inputs to push to their full potential. I use crown drive core 2 power amplifiers because of the that issue. It has a output switch to use for home audio use. I'm very familiar with the euro power amplifiers aswell, I had to use a mixer in order to get my home preamp to work properly with p/a amplifiers. I love my crowns, they're not for everyone but theyre easy to put into any system.

@masklessfaceless0820 22 күн бұрын

Bummmer man.. i measured the old cone and voice coil and made the new one the same

@SavingVegas 22 күн бұрын

I always do as well seeing as that is a very important step when reconing. I have reconed many woofers as well as midrange drivers but something went wrong this time obviously lol. I have yet to disassemble that woofer to see what I did wrong but when I do I will be uploading a video about it. I believe sharing mistakes is just as useful to people as showing people how to. The more knowledge the better and if one of my mistakes helps people know what could go wrong and saves just one person from doing the same by knowing what to watch out for then it's all worth it.

@masklessfaceless0820 22 күн бұрын

@@SavingVegas you are indeed a kind man. I love your channel and I salute you. Cheers

@SavingVegas 22 күн бұрын

Thank you, much appreciated.

@phishphan1977 24 күн бұрын

Unrelated question for you sir. What glue/adhesive would you recommend for loose port tubes in a VS120. Both tubes in my one cabinet are loose. Thank you in advance for a response.

@SavingVegas 24 күн бұрын

I generally use a product called PL Premium, it's a construction adhesive that comes in tubes to use with a caulking gun. If your just gluing the ports back in that may be a little overkill, even just a good wood glue works just fine for that application.

@Matt_Dominique 27 күн бұрын

you taught me so much, watching your vids. keep up the good work sir.

@SavingVegas 18 күн бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad my video was able to help, makes it all worth it.

@pathfinderdiscovery9395 27 күн бұрын

I have a set of 3 way CW VS-80s an in mint condition , got them an a 100watt 1990 model Sony receivers pumping them for $175.00 , an I am blown away they put perform my 12” pioneers an my 12” technic vintage speakers , still love the Ps an Ts but my Vegas I put with my AR 4x s an im good to go , I love this loud speaker , I have to pull treble down at times , they so crisp an clear , I have some jbls that rock as well

@pathfinderdiscovery9395 27 күн бұрын

I have a set of 3 way CW VS-80s an in mint condition , got them an a 100watt 1990 model Sony receivers pumping them for $175.00 , an I am blown away they out perform my 12” pioneers an my 12” technic vintage speakers , still love the Ps an Ts but my Vegas I put with my AR 4x s an im good to go , I love this loud speaker , I have to pull treble down at times , they so crisp an clear

@scottlowell493 Ай бұрын

I did that once. With kenwood, denon and even carver. The C-V's sounded much better with a nakamichi PA-7. The bass was vastly improved vs an AVR or integrated.

@ricklapointe4722 Ай бұрын

This is a newb question but will these thump w my sx750?

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

That receiver would run either of these speakers just fine. Cerwin Vega is known for their high sensitivity ratings. Sensitivity ratings are measured in decibels and usually measured at 1 watt from 1 meter away. Depending on the model they measure in at anywhere from 94dB up to over 100dB, so they will play louder than most with lower wattage amps. With that said, the more power you have on hand means more headroom and more control of the drivers in the speaker. You would be surprised at how well these speakers sound, even at lower volume levels the bass is very present. As long as you don't overdrive the amplifier by turning it up too loud. This causes clipping and will take out tweeters in a hurry and even midrange drivers sometimes. For this reason power meters, distortion or clip light indicators are nice to have. Unfortunately your receiver does not have any of these so you have to let your ears be the judge. I good rule of thumb is to not set the volume up past 70% ish and you should be safe. I will add that these speakers really come to life with a good quality power amp. But like I said they are still very enjoyable with lower wattage units. I hope this answers your question.

@ricklapointe4722 Ай бұрын

@@SavingVegas thank you for the full info response much appreciated, I’ve found a pair of u123 locally I may go check out this weekend price is right so I’m hoping for a similar outcome. Can’t seem to find as much info on that model any words of wisdom on that model?

@SavingVegas 29 күн бұрын

I have had a set of those before and I was impressed with them. They will work well with lower power amplifiers.

@ricklapointe4722 28 күн бұрын

@@SavingVegas thanks they sounded great at the sellers house hope they sound equally as good at mine

@kgwiblanmcsih6686 Ай бұрын

What is the music you used

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

Geez I can't remember exactly. I use all royalty free music from Epidemic Sound. If I remember I will try to find these particular tracks.

@carsthatgoboom4854 Ай бұрын

Used to have this whole series as a complete surround sound setup. Due to unfortunate circumstances, I had to sell the setup at a reduced price then what it was worth. Anyway that aside, I i loved the setup! Simply Speakers did a wonderful job with a perfectly suitable replacement kit for the old rotting foam with simple instructions. Also great job with your tear/breakdown of the entire VS series! Happy listening everyone.

@jasondonaldson2150 Ай бұрын

Where can I buy those spiders? I have a pair of VS 150s and both of the mids have voice coil rub. I plan on using your video in order to help me repair both of my DXM6 mids. Appreciate the video!

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

The exact ones I purchased are unfortunately not available anymore. But your basically looking for spiders that have a 4 or 4¼ inch outside diameter and a 1 inch center diameter for the voice coil. Some of what I didn't show in the video is the R & D I did to find the best suited spider. What I found was a little stiffer spider worked better than a more flexible one. Either way any new spider you get within the size specs will be an improvement apon the old used ones so you should be good to go.

@bmac1205 Ай бұрын

Miller Sound in Lansdale, PA will re-foam and re-cone. Just had my SW-12B subwoofer done. It's really amazingly even better. He can do practically any CW

@kgwiblanmcsih6686 Ай бұрын

what is the song you use when testing those vega's

@JR-ho5qm Ай бұрын

I know the VS120 uses a different midrange, but have you come across the same issues with the VS120 midrange? Great video thanks! I recommend using a nice spray dampening material on the plastic midrange enclosure. I know not factory but it’s a harmless modest modification

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

The DXM-4 used in the VS-120 and ATM-5 used in the VS-100, AT-10, 12 and 15 don't seem to have the same issues. They are smaller drivers with less excursion so that may be why they hold up better but I can't say for sure. The crossovers in these 150s were in rough shape, both capacitors in the midrange signal path were toast. Good chance that was the cause of the problem with the midrange driver. The caps were no longer keeping the mids from playing outside of their abilities causing extra stress on them is my guess. As for your suggestion for extra damping on the mids enclosure, that is a great upgrade. That and even building a more solid one using MDF or similar material as well as the extra damping you suggested.

@garyjackson2617 Ай бұрын

Do you sell ? How do I contact you

@PoppinWheeliez Ай бұрын

Well well well look who is back. I thought you signed up to go to Mars. Consider the quality standards when originally produced as well. Nothing is perfect. Han Dong may have had a upset stomache or a tooth ache that day.

@elvispresley2695 Ай бұрын

thanks for the details! I have rebuilt a few speakers some better then others - but the time lapse stuff you put in this video gives people a good idea of how to take one apart. Thanks again love vega's!

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I started doing some if my work I do in the videos in time laps other wise the videos would just be too long. I didn't want to leave it out because that's an important part of the whole process. For instance that 3 to 4 min time laps was over 90 min of footage originally. As for details, we'll it's all in the details when doing this kind of work. I figured if I was willing to do it someone else would be willing to as well so why not put it out there. Thanks for watching.

@walkerclark4794 Ай бұрын

Really great content, was cool to see the before and after measurements.

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

Some people turn their noses up at measurements and I think some take them a little too seriously. I believe their important when doing any kind of repair work to a speaker. Changing vital components of a driver can drastically change its parameters and you need to make sure after the change that the driver is still going to work together with the speakers other components. I don't use measurements to judge how a speaker will sound because a frequency response doesn't tell you everything, it can give you an idea but not the while story. I use them to detect major issues if any and go from there. I'm glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching.

@walkerclark4794 Ай бұрын

@@SavingVegas Totally agree. I'm an engineer so I love to see the data and correlate that to if a perceivable difference is there as well. I would love to see before and after measurements taken on your crossover upgrades if you ever get the chance! Thanks for all you do to get information out there, I've learned allot from your videos.

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

That's awesome. I have lots of fun tinkering with this stuff and have been doing so for a long time now. I have already taken some initial measurements of this speaker and that includes each individual driver as well. I have compared the initial measurements I took with the crossover inline and the midrange frequency response doesn't look much different than the ones I took of the mid unfiltered. I have yet to remove the 2 capacitors in the midrange circuit to test their values but I'm guessing they are going to be out a lot. There are also 2 inductors in that circuit as well so my guess is that's all that's really filtering that mid right now. There's a good chance I will be making a video on these crossovers. I have all new parts for them, polypropylene caps and air core inductors but I may be using them in a different set. Either way these are going to be getting new parts but probably cheaper budget parts otherwise I am going to be into these for more than I can sell them for.

@walkerclark4794 Ай бұрын

@@SavingVegas Yeah that's super surprising no measured difference with those old caps in there. Looking forward to your future updates!

@alwillis4255 Ай бұрын

Awesome

@abortretryfail9350 Ай бұрын

Hey, I know this is an old vid, but just got my kit to recone some CV VS-120s, but they seem to only need the foam replaced now I'm really looking at em, everything else seems fine, the red foam's just disintegrated, (always lived in places where I can't _really_ give these things a workout without noise complaints, so it isn't like they've been worn out, they're just old) so my question is this, should I just refoam them and keep the cones etc original, just save the new cones/coils for a rainy day, or should I just replace all of it since I have new?

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

I would definitely just replace the foam, doing a complete recone is only necessary when you have a damaged voice coil or cone. Always good when you can keep the original cones, if you end up wearing out the spiders you can just replace those like in this video and keep the OG voice coil and cone if still in good shape.

@abortretryfail9350 Ай бұрын

@@SavingVegas Awesome, that's what I'll do then, seems like that will save me a lot of trouble, also lower possibility I'll screw it up, never done it, first time for everything though. When I first saw the foam had disintegrated, I didn't even know it could be done, so I'm pretty happy anyway. 😄 Thanks a lot for the reply!

@williamfrance856 Ай бұрын

I used to have 6LS 12s and two LW12 in my bedroom. My parents hated me.

@mobilelegendspublicenemyxo4315 Ай бұрын

This video shows nothing .... Sad

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

Kinda like this comment 😆

@saultrips6730 Ай бұрын

i have a set of pd-9's from 1987 , they do not have the foam surround. a red edge but seems more like a continuation of the speaker material and where can i get a mid replacement? do you update crossovers?

@saultrips6730 Ай бұрын

i have pd9's they do not have foam surround, better?

@ricomartin8720 Ай бұрын

Lol no fair you guys get to have all the fun😉🤣

@ricomartin8720 Ай бұрын

Nice I'd like to own a pair of those!?, are those or will those speakers be for sale or trade anytime soon?🤔😎

@jasondonaldson2150 Ай бұрын

That is a beautiful thing right there!

@pathfinderdiscovery9395 Ай бұрын

Getting some Vega’s fixed now , bought them cheap an needed new surround rings is All cabnets are stunningly beautiful for there age an where they were stored

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

Awesome! I'm sure you will enjoy them.

@pathfinderdiscovery9395 2 ай бұрын

Just bought a pair of vs 120 s but needs the surround rings for woofers replaced grid them up after sitting in a storage building for yrs an the rubber foam just fell slam off the cabnets are perfect condition mid an highs perfect , guy I bought from said he may have played them 30 times , he moved an stored them an bought Bose an forgot about them he said for a bit so they sat for over 10yrs in a shop , I’ll order the rings once I find the correct rubber rings a fix them

@joepasquarello1273 2 ай бұрын

This is a very good video. I have a pair of 12TR's that I am re-foaming the woofers. All other speakers are running great. These speakers are bulletproof. I use a high quality furniture polish on the cabinet woodwork ant they look great. Something I have been curious about: Currently I run the crossovers at -0- db. I understand that tuning them is based on room acoustics and personal preference. I am happy with the output. My question is that any change in crossover adjustments seem to be barely perceptible. An audiologist told me I have lost high frequency hearing and wonder if that contributes to it. Or is something else amiss? Thanks and keep up the good work.

@SavingVegas Ай бұрын

When taking measurements of the mid and tweeter on the front baffle I played around with the adjustments quite a bit. Adjusting the tweeter caused a rise in output from around 3kHz to 20kHz so even a loss in hearing at higher frequencies you should still be able to tell the difference. I found they measured the flatest with both the mid and tweeter turned all the way up. They could however need to be cleaned up with Deoxit. If they are dirty or corroded at all it can definitely cause a loss in output.

@85ZERO17 2 ай бұрын

HOW DO THE 15TR COMPARE TO SAY THE AT-15

@TheEMD710 2 ай бұрын

Ok.... I own a pair of these. Mint... But.... I always want more.. how did you know what value of inductors to use?

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