![Glory and Decay: The Downfall of Númenor [Part Two]](/img/o.gif)
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@bristleconepine4120 21 сағат бұрын
I have heard about this channel and am glad to be finally seeing it. I love these analyses! Also, you have to explain who the characters are in your beautiful artwork, including the persona of yourself (the brown-eyed blonde apparent elf). I recognize some of these figures - but not all! 😂
@adelkaizbest2038 Күн бұрын
That's something deserving of respect. Anywhere else a dead mother would just be a part of sad backstory and nothing more. In Tolkien's work, mothers will die and go missing, but we can be sure that it will do something to the story.
@mataya-waldenberg 3 күн бұрын
Manwë needed a better PR department than whatever Mandos was doing.
@pedrovargas2181 3 күн бұрын
The downfall of Númenor started with Tar-Aldarion, a mariner and shipwright, marrying a radical tree-hugger, then was cemented by him forcing his useless, bitter daughter onto the throne instead of any, ANY of the capable men of Elros' line in a position to marry into the throne and rule.
@seekingabsolution1907 5 күн бұрын
10:18 this is a surprisingly anarchist quote to find in Tolkien. Like, this is basically something Pyoter Kropotkyn might say. It's basically saying "all is a product of all"
@ivytarablair 5 күн бұрын
...holy CRAP! I'd never heard about that last, for want of a better term, industrialized age of Numenor. the close up art of the monstrous metal ships was nauseating when you bring to mind the luminous early beauty of their ships and architecture 😢 Sauron's final phase of corruptive desecration was far more thorough than I could have imagined 🤮😩😭
@timkramar9729 6 күн бұрын
Three Silmarils, seven sons. Who has the strongest claim? Does the oath lead to brother killing brother?
@oudugan8676 7 күн бұрын
Lexi, thank you. As an actual scholar myself, and a Tolkien adherent for more than 30 years: I truly appreciate your meticulous understanding of Tolkien. You, Matt at NOTR, Robert at IDG are my happy places. I would be privileged if you every wanted to communicate with me.
@tonicwater1234 8 күн бұрын
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@dedf15 9 күн бұрын
imagine a 4th age where we complain about those rustic "elvish" coworkers of ours who refuse to buy storebought lembas bread and support their local Gondor-Mart because only homegrown lembas wheat tastes "right". What relics from the Third Age would persist as legends or "speculative" ancestries, a thousand years after the death of King Aragorn?
@fairytalejediftj7041 10 күн бұрын
Valar: Is it of folly or ignorance that thou hast defied the Ban? Amandil: See what had happened was...
@saeedshahbazian9889 10 күн бұрын
Exquisitely said, as always.
@DreadPirateRobertz 11 күн бұрын
I always just assumed that Goldberry was a water nymph. A fae type being who, like Tom, doesn't age. Edit: I hadn't watched the whole video, but I agree with the Nyad idea.
@johnmooers5594 12 күн бұрын
How does Elendil know what happens to Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon when he wrote the Akallabeth? The only thing that makes sense is he saw them through the Palantir of the tower hills. Thoughts?
@tominiowa2513 12 күн бұрын
Eagle post?
@BlueBrainMountainStream 13 күн бұрын
Eowyn vs. the Witch King is my favorite moment from LOTR. And I love fan art of the scene.
@annabizaro-doo-dah 13 күн бұрын
.....aaaannnd this is why there are no instances of human female/Elf male mariages. I, too, always pictured even the most beautiful, accomplished of us as unserious distractions A human woman's love & lifelong devotion like a pleasant afternoon spent with an eager young child. Endearing as they are, some how their company becomes unsatisfying after a time & you crave the company of adults. Menopause makes a mortal females life with her immortal love more cruel & humiliating than her male counterpart, even
@ech83 13 күн бұрын
For what happened when Pharazon reached Aman to be anything other than pure speculation, there are really only 6 possible sources, right? Glorfindel or one of the Istari? No one else travels from Valinor to Middle Earth after this happens that I know of. Maybe someone could have mimed it at that one Palantir that sees into Tol Eressea?
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
I think Ar-Pharazôn and his men were buried alive in some kind of purgatory until the Dagor Dagoroth.
@JamaicaWhiteMan 13 күн бұрын
That was great. But what I'd like to know is how Sauron managed to take the ring with him back to Middle Earth in his non-corporeal, amorphous form after the destruction of Numenor.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Tolkien wrote in Letter #211 "[Sauron] naturally had the One [in Númenor], and so very soon dominated the minds and wills of most of the Númenóreans." Later in the same Letter he writes, "though reduced to 'a spirit of hatred borne on a dark wind', I do not think one need boggles at this spirit carrying off the One Ring, upon which his power of dominating mi is now largely depended." So as the Good Professor said, Don't boggle your mind over it.😅
@michaelsanty-fv8ut 13 күн бұрын
Lovely series. I would also love to see your take on the founding of Arnor and Gondor.
@ScaricoOleoso 14 күн бұрын
I miss when we were a squad. 😔
@henrypaleveda7760 14 күн бұрын
I very much and thoroughly enjoyed the video. thank you!
@TolkienLorePodcast 15 күн бұрын
Every time I read the Lost Road, I feel certain if Tolkien had finished it he would have out-Orwelled Orwell. His understanding of man’s nature was profound, even if he tended to shy away from really diving into it the way Lewis does in the Screwtape Letters.
@TarMody 15 күн бұрын
05:15 The real truth behind Sauron's basing his manipulations and attempts on Melkor comes from his knowledge that Melkor's spiritual power has spread to Arda and his awareness that this is the driving force behind his ideals. The real meaning of inheriting the corrupted Arda from Melkor is that he provides momentum from the will that forms the basis of this spiritual power. The reason why he established the Melkor cult instead of his own name when he came to Númenor is a concrete example of this.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Morgoth's Ring. 🤔
@matthewdunham1689 15 күн бұрын
Jesus Christ, this sounds like an allegory of our current political climate….. the burning of the white tree = our constitution……
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Hey! Do not take the Lord's name in vain! 😡
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Who burned the Constitution? Biden when he declared lawfare on Trump or when he got his FBI to censor posts on social media that would have helped Trump win in 2020? Or his open border policy which is the opposite of what his responsibilities are according to the Constitution?
@matthewdunham1689 15 күн бұрын
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@andersonic 15 күн бұрын
I was looking forward to this so much and you did not disappoint! My country just re-elected Morgoth so hopefully we'll find a way to preserve what's worth saving and find our way back to the light.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Incredible. Trump is Morgoth?!😱😂🤣😆 Trump is an Istar sent by Eru to the USA in order to gather a coalition of people to fight against an invasion, censorship, tyranny, lawfare, and gender theory in our school system. I guess you must like all those things if you voted for Kamala.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
I forgot about fighting inflation by freeing up American energy on a huge scale. Also he will force foreign countries to build factories in the US, creating hundreds of thousands of new high-paying jobs for Americans.
@Disgruntled_Dave 13 күн бұрын
@@Enerdhil lolwut The U.S. president doesn't have that power over other countries. He doesn't even have that power over his own country. Where did you get that idea?
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
@Disgruntled_Dave Tarrifs are Trump's preferred weapon to beat foreign countries into submission. That is how he will crush the BRICS movement and save the dollar as the world's dominant currency. Tracking and other kinds of drilling will release the petroleum and natural gas under the country. The massive supply will drive prices for both way down, making production and shipping much cheaper, driving DOWN prices. The petroleum and natural gas will be so abundant that the US will be able to export to all our allies, driving their prices down, too. That is the plan. We will have to see whether or not it works.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
@@Disgruntled_Dave Also, the Republicans control all three branches of government, so they have no excuse for not doing what they promised Americans they would do. The pressures on, boys and girls! 2026 primaries are coming sooner than you think!!
@halikarnak1862 15 күн бұрын
The last section with the valar giving signs sounds biblical
@CaptainFSU 15 күн бұрын
If orcs are derived from Elves do they then go to the Halls of Mandos when they die?
@larrykuenning5754 15 күн бұрын
Any idea where the palantíri fit into this story? Apparently these were given to the Faithful (or to Amandil) at or after the time when ship travel between Aman and Numenor ceased, and one of them was tuned to an eighth stone that was kept in Tol Eressea. Yet communication by that channel is never mentioned, and when Amandil wants to appeal directly to the Valar he never seems to think of contacting them by that means but considers a sea voyage to be his only possible option. I have my own idea about this in my never-finished fanfic, but can you come up with an explanation based on Tolkien's own works?
@EriktheRed2023 15 күн бұрын
The rhyme of lore that Gandalf mumbles indicates that the seven stones were all in the keeping of the Faithful by the time of the Downfall. But that need not have been the case all the time. The King's Men may have used one palantír (or several) to keep an eye on what the other stones were doing, and perhaps one or more stones perished with Númenor. Or perhaps someone 'liberated' the last ones after the fleet had sailed for Aman. But it seems the one kept at Tol Eressëa did not communicate with the others. At least, I don't know of any time that it did. Maybe it could, if someone cared to use it, but some sense of propriety may have prevented this. Whether it was the royal ban on communication with the Eldar, or the stones were given with the understanding that they were meant to communicate with each other. Personally, I think the Ban of the Valar extended to communication via the palantíri, and so there was nobody expecting Amandil's call at the other end when he decided he had to break it.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
I think there is a Palantir in one of the White Towers west of the Shire that can see to the Undying lands.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
@@EriktheRed2023 Makes sense.
@muenchhausenmusic 15 күн бұрын
Haha, I never noticed Turin Turambar playing the bass guitar in your end card XD Which got me thinking: Could the lead singer be Galadriel? And who is the keyboarder then? The drummer is you, Lexi, right? Do you actually play the drums?
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
I think Luthien was the GOAT singer. Sauron will never admit it, but it's true.
@Xlornick 15 күн бұрын
Considering the current direction of the US as directed by one it's greatest con men, I'd say this video is well timed. Nicely done!!
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Trump/Vance 2024 win, Baby!! 🇺🇸✝️🙏👍😁
@ronlyons7455 15 күн бұрын
Excellent essay... You had me as a subscriber with your reference to 'Thr Hero's Journey'. 💜
@triacontahedron 15 күн бұрын
I personally like the idea of Huan and the eagles being "entish" in origin. And if we then consider the line about evil things originating purely from the difference between the Discord and the Music as intended, we can suppose that souls could also be brought into being in this manner. From this, perhaps, we can see an origin for Ungoliant. However, the line I described above apparently contradicts the idea that nothing was evil in its beginning. As such, I say we disregard the requirement that such beings be evil, revealing a possible origin for Tom Bombadil. I think this could also explain the spirits Sauron imprisoned to create werewolves, as well as any other fell spirits that lack a better explanation. They could have been sung of by Melkor, though he would discover that, even for the sole beings he actually directly created, he could not make innately evil beings. Many would likely refuse to join his service.
@henrikg1388 15 күн бұрын
Melkorism is a religion of peace. 😉
@susannahdarby6698 15 күн бұрын
Gaslight, gatekeep, Gorthaur 😂😂😂 excellent summary of Sauron as tempter!
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Tempter and liar.
@rhel373 16 күн бұрын
17:42 Akallabussy 🤣
@mikekenney2345 16 күн бұрын
Your content is top notch. I had to watch this twice to try and let it all sink in. Fantastic work. Tolkien is enjoyable on so many levels. I loved the story as a child and after decades there is still new depths and angles to explore. Thank you.
@kaptenteo 16 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@DavidRoberts 16 күн бұрын
Also, smooth side-step of the issue of flat v round world when Eru does the continental rearrangement :-)
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Nothing to see here, folks.🙄
@Limubi1 16 күн бұрын
Wonderful work as ever
@EriktheRed2023 16 күн бұрын
Thank you for emphasizing Amandil! While not entirely unsung, he certainly deserves more attention.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Yes. We don't know how Isildur knew that Nimloth would be cut down soon. It could have been Amandil or Míriel who told him.
@triacontahedron 16 күн бұрын
Have you considered the possibility of the influence of dragon-sickness on Dior's decision? _The Hobbit_ mentions "the power that gold has upon which a dragon has long brooded", and I recall that my reading of the _Silmarillion_ gave me the impression Glaurung cursed the treasure of Nargathrond (though I could be misremembering). While it seems to work off of preexisting greed, it could be that any motive to hoard it (such as spite against the people who tried to force your mother into marriage) is also manipulated.
@beatleblev 16 күн бұрын
Has anyone checked on Pharazon and the boys this Age? How is being "Lord of the West" going these days? After 10,000 years or so does regret start to taste like chicken? I've always wondered if the boys from Numenor are sleeping las in Sheol, or if Eru gave these naughty, naughty Children what they wanted in spades. The life of the firstborn, tied to Arda for as long as it exists forgotten, in a cave, in the Dark for forever, or there about.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Ar-Pharazôn and his men are buried alive, but we have no clue what that looks like. Can they move around? Can they talk to each other? Are they always hungry and thirsty and sleepy, but never able to eat, drink, or sleep? A Purgatory where for 24/7 you are stuck with your own thoughts and sins for millennia.
@waltonsmith7210 16 күн бұрын
If Sauron hadn't convinced the Numenoreans to attack Valinor, Sauron night have been able to reign in Numenor as the Power behind the throne indefinately.
@juliagustafsson2895 15 күн бұрын
yhe, he was childless and miriel not so likley to give him one. I guess the biggest problem was ar pharazon. The understanding seems to have been that sauron was making him imortal. and with his death aproaching he would want to cash in. but then again. he would have been a great candidate for a nazgûl and sauron could have ruled numenor through him. guess it comes down to his pride. if you completely turn the edain against eru, you have to show it off alittle bit
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
Eventually.... yes.
@Disgruntled_Dave 13 күн бұрын
Hell, Sauron could probably have impersonated Ar-Pharazon since he hadn't lost his ability to shapeshift yet! He'd have to find a way to get rid of the real Pharazon, of course, but that should be a minor inconvenience for Sauron after establishing trust with the king.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
@Disgruntled_Dave How would the new Ar-Pharazôn explain a missing Sauron, or would he play both parts?🤔
@istari0 13 күн бұрын
It's an interesting 'what if' scenario to think about what if Sauron had persuaded Ar-Pharazon that he could gain immortality by conquering the Elves in Middle-Earth.
@andreguia1731 16 күн бұрын
you're a sight for sore eyes after RoP and Tolkien "professor" there is no canon
@DisFantasy 16 күн бұрын
Sending the Wizards after the 2nd age seems like tacit admission that the Valars' communication skills sucked.
@henrypaleveda7760 15 күн бұрын
after two ages and the only one in the loop with the mortal world being out of the loop with what all of the others know, it'd just be prideful to not admit that you need to work on communication.
@DavidRoberts 16 күн бұрын
Until the day it screens, I will have estel will see Sauron being hit by lightning on top of the temple in Rings of Power with the people falling down and worshipping him. A fool's hope, perhaps.
@istari0 16 күн бұрын
I'm sure that Sauron had all sorts of plans for how he was going to use the remaining Númenoreans to conquer Middle-Earth. Imagine his shock when he realized that the entire world was splitting apart right where Númenor and he were. He must have known only Ilúvatar had that kind of power.
@Enerdhil 13 күн бұрын
The ultimate "OOPS" moment.
@EricGasz69420 16 күн бұрын
GnG finally dropped a new vid hell yes! Utúlie’n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlië’n aurë! Appreciate the content, keep em coming homie