Hi Ragebadger, great work with your vids keep it up. Question, if you have two effects that require the same element e.g. Earth The top of card 1 says - consume Earth to add +2 to attack (hello cinder lance) The bottom of another card says - consume Earth to add +3 to your next attack (hello hardened spike) Can I use the Earth that is available to consume and fulfill one card and then use the Infusion Potion to fulfill the Earth requirement for the other ? Thanks

I'm near retiring the meteor, and holy crap it is underrated on this list. It sounds like people have come around on it since this list was originally made but geez, it is outrageous how satisfying it can be.

Snowflake paired with Meteor makes the former godlike… but useless without his sidekick 😅 As for Bannerspear it’s just a lot better without Banners, or just in some scenarios where you don’t have to move too much… which is kinda meh, but works. Can be quite tanky and damage dealer higher levels.

This is my character and Ive been having probleeems, so thank you for this.

I had the displeasure of playing Geminate in the final boss scenario of the game and it was absolutely miserable. Every enemy has either 2-3 Shield or is the boss with 2 Retaliate on infinite range. So I basically ended up as more of a burden than anything for my party, trying to play a bit on the support-y side which Geminate isn't made for. But his thing is "lots of smaller attacks" and it completely didn't work for this scenario. There's many other scenarios that are similarly bad for Geminate, but that one in particular took the cake.

Thanks for this. My group has completed Frosthaven, but nobody played Shackles. So now I''m picking her up for the community scenario. Hmm, going from a zillion lineage perks and starting at Level 4, to no perks and starting at Level 1, this is a big difference. I'd sure like to have those two checks to get the extra health perk, but here we are.

Can you use Line of Transference ("remove a condition") if Delayed Malady bottom is active?

Excuse me B for stabby crabby?!? I could easily melt all enemies in the scenario with GT (lvl 4 card)! It, in combination with a top action let me do well over 100 damage in one turn with no losses by stacking power potions, frenzy potion, invisibility etc! Not only that but with the op boots that’s also becomes move 16 as well!!!

Pardon my ignorant, but why does giving yourself a strength potion mean you have 2 rounds of strength?

Kelp in B is INSANE! dude was hella good for me! Absolutely S tier boi

Hopelessness into reject the gift is spicy!

No Expose at level 2?

Still mid watching the video, but, the summon is genius . takes damage and I can take it to myself, and besides that with the card of giving damage to enemies the damaged me works amazing with the summon !

Me and my wife play two handed with an alternate leveling scheme. That is we start all characters at level 1 and then give double xp up to prosperity levels. For shards in particular, if memory serves, it's pretty weak first few levels.

Thanks this was a fun video. Getting ready to start my campaign. I don’t have a gaming group so playing two handed by myself. Any recommendations on which two to start with? Also do you have a stream ranking the Gloomhaven characters based on 2nd edition?

Yes, Geminate is garbage Tier. 100% can confirm. Not a toolbox class if you are restricted from making best use of the tools when you need them.

I started playing the Trap and was a bit skeptical to start with, but really wanted to try it out. We are now about 9 scenarios in with the Trap and he is amazing. The amount of control and damage that can be done is beyond what I believed could happen. This is likely one of the most fun classes I’ve played between Gloomhaven and Frosthaven.

can confirm, I rolled geminate first for the express reason of trying to retire asap before the missions got too difficult - my retirement was to pick some flowers, so that worked out nicely.

If you don't like Geminate, you're not playing it right. You need to make the Transformers transforming sound effect (from the cartoon) every time you shape shift. Instant enjoyment.

Kelp should definitely be A tier. IMO best in the game. You can load the enemy deck with curses, mitigating hundreds of damage for your group every scenario. Really high damage, slightly lower than BB but a lot more support and versatility, the GOAT. Other than that I think I bump up Astral. Rest I like.

No matter how wrong everyone might be about their opinions (PRISM IS THE BEST I WILL NOT TAKE QUESTIONS), it's a good thing that we can all come together and agree that Geminate sucks.

Great video. Through the entire first half I was balking at our differences of opinion (how could you possibly not take unavoidable outcome at lvl 2 on trap. Also bane kelp best build fight me I literally had to reroute 6 months of work in the frosthaven Speedrun and was able to save an hour on my time) but then you said infusers is your favorite so we officially agree and your opinions are objectively correct

I am still very perplexed that people think Trap is "a strong class". Germinate, in my 4p grp, felt sooo much better than Trap. Trap felt more restrictive to my group than my enemies, and I fully believe he plays better at 2p comps. Also stab crab is just insanity... I cannot fathom how crab is B tier when the stab variant is easily S tier with a few items.

Hmm I would need to look up how to make the coral class busted. I thought the tides were fine, but I never found that Nurse Zoidberg shined as anything other than a fair tank. Mind you, Zoidberg retired at level 5 so maybe I just didn't get to what makes it a busted class.

Would you say Drifters power level drifts away over the levels?

Personally I feel like shackles suffers a bit too much from lack of multi targeting and reliance on persistant losses to really be S tier, though I have only played it as condition striker since that's what fit best with my party and only up to lvl 6 for the time being. Would personally put it in A. Prism at higher levels felt like it completely trivilaized every scenario. Reassemble allows for so many summons on the board without significantly sacrificing longevity, and with recall it just becomes ridiculous, easy S for me (at least summon focused build). Geminate I feel like had high enough output and ridiculous enough stamina to personally put in B tier. I aggree with Trap, super strong, but can be a bit screwed by some situations. Rarely completely screwed but often enough to signifcantly lower contribution. Also agree with blinkblade. Shards seems like it should be S tier based on my partners performance with it compared to their performance with other classes. And those are all my opinions. Also, good video!

Kelp in b-tier is criminal

Kelp is too low imo Stab crab with items that add attacl damage has insane damage output, can clear rooms in a single turn

Couldn’t agree more regarding Geminate. You do twenty somersaults and a back flip to barely do what others can do without thought. In our experience Deathwalker should be easily in same tier as Blinkblade. Plus there are scenarios that can be extremely trivialized by the damage+teleport potential of the shadows mama. Keep being awesome!

For scarred effigy if the summon only has 1 HP remaining and it tanks a hit of 10 damage it would only suffer 1 damage, right? Which you may then redirect to yourself and allow the summon to survive for another 10+ damage hit. If im not misunderstanding something, the wording of this card may make it the best tank in the game

Hmm.. I must be doing something wrong, meteor has been average at best for me. But must just be my play style cos I 100% would swap that with Prism/ Diamond. That class lives rent free in my head it was so much fun and was the MVP of so many scenarios. Aside from that, seems a well rounded list, and looks like you might know your stuff. Thanks for the vid!

This sounds great if only I knew what gloomhaven is

loving my meteor right now. So versatile..

just seeing this now - the Cat still there?

Geminate mostly, I feel, needed more repeatable big hitting attacks (4+ damage) unenhanced. It wants you to burn more often but those big hits are core to letting a class actually shine. The precise range didn't really factor that much for me but it did also need at least one or two repeatable short range attacks. It also needed more control over form flipping; honestly a persistent loss that lets you form change at end of turn would solve all its action selection problems, I think. The puzzle is interesting and I like it but I totally understand why folks are frustrated with it.

god i love watching tier lists for games i own but havent played yet ^^

Good video! I most of the way through the campaign and haven't played very many classes, and probably never will in the campaign since once you buy a good suite of enhancements it's really tough to switch to something brand new--the game barely rewards switching classes compared to the MASSIVE reward of replaying the same one. Maybe it's because my husband was playing the Meteor at the time, but I took the Snowflake and found we did REALLY well together. We both could create hazardous terrain and then I'd push/pull enemies over it. When we were level 5 we'd play tier 4 (rather than 3) and it was really smooth. Also, at first opportunity I enhanced everything on the Arctic Fox, getting me an ally that moved 4, hit for 3, and rarely got targeted! My husband swears by the Kelp, and he took it through the Unfettered thread. Sure, the Unfettered immunities make them more challenging, but once the Kelp hits level 3 there are multiple ways to get 3 negative conditions onto an opponent. He did a sort of hybrid stab/bane build, but never went for invisibility, favoring a really strong deck.

Very nice. Thanks

Thanks for the ranking!

What about a tier list for how well gloomhaven classes port into frosthaven?

I take those geminate comments personally! - Hahaha xD - Geminate is way more flexible and powerful than you give it credit to - 14 cards stamina is ridiculous if used right :P - play your losses! Should be at least A tier!

I agree with everything you said.

Germinate is a fantastic class! Its a shame you dont appear to get the most out if it

If this is a power ranking, that just means geminate is the Power Bottom and I want to embody that every day. 🥰

Trap is way better than that. He is a beast against shield and retaliate and the amount of pseudodisarms he can dish is absurd.

This is Bannerspear slander! B is for Bannerspear. You just gotta keep granting your friends movement and placing them where they need to be like chess grandmaster. Your damage output is a little low compared to other classes, but you should be enabling your teammates to get more hits in as they don't need to waste time playing as many movement cards. Love the list otherwise. Great job.

Fun video! I've been playing Shards from level 4 (and will be 9 in 2 scenarios) and it's absolutely insanely strong if you don't go the wave build and play off Empowering Note (lv 5 persistent). I would consider it easy S-tier personally. It has so many cards that I was like, "wait, that's not a loss?!" power-level wise. The only downside is it's lack of self healing options but besides that you have incredible attacks, multiple non-loss muti-target stuns that you can add another target to with a wave, and brittles. Unsustainable Wave (how is this not a loss?) which can abuse brittle to delete 3 enemies or a whole room if you have items that can add target plus attack boosters. Level 7 gives you move 3 shield 3(!) all adjacent and self (with a wave from the persistent). At level 8 you can brittle up to 4 enemies. And to top it off, you have (what I think) is the best modifier deck in FH. You also have multiple ways to see the top card of monster decks and can see the top modifier deck card which makes planning turns super safe a lot of the time. I thought it was a support when I started but I am regularly near-soloing rooms and that's with suboptimal support items. And while you kill/stun everything it also adds a lot of blesses to your allies (or yourself with the level 3 card when you kill everything too fast and need to spend waves) that we regularly run out of bless cards to add. Empowering note really takes the class to the next level and gives you so much flexibility for range, targets, movement, push, shields, and damage that you can really be super flexible as long as you have waves. The only shame is when/how it's unlocked and how statistically few people have played it. Overall, class is super cracked (almost literally) and very fun.

Any tier list for Frosthaven that does not really consider synergies of classes when making a party is fairly pointless and misleading. Astral and snowflake together are A+, trapper is a really good support class. If you think geminate is bad, then you just need to learn how to play the game at a fundamental level. There are some classes that are kind of boring to play like drifter but are ok if you just want to coast and not really worry about planning. To get the most out of the best classes really requires interaction and cooperation with other players, so this is the main reason that tier lists for Frosthaven are a disservice to new players as well as a waste of time.

Meteor is phenomenal. It is now my favorite character in any Haven game. Of the 5 classes I played in our first campaign, I got screwed over with Boneshaper the most, in terms of scenario design. Still really enjoyed that character, but scenario 15 can kiss my rear-end. Nice to see Fist and Snowflake get some love. Those are very "fluid" characters that have a lot of utility. Snowflake is probably my second favorite character in Frosthaven, so far. Coral was a very strong tank, though I don't particularly enjoy tanking that much. The water generation and retaliate added some spice though. I'm kinda surprised to see Trap that low, although I can understand the argument you made. While watching my ally play Trap, the scenario design seemed less of a problem. It was the "taking turns off" element that was more noticeable, but that was mitigated by the constant crowd control and huge damage turns when they arrived. Campaign 2 is coming up in a month or two, so I shall revisit this list when making my character decisions.

I love the Gemski but I wont lie I cant wait to retire and try something new.